Author Topic: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.  (Read 493276 times)

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voter ID does not ***suppress*** voting
« Reply #1002 on: February 19, 2019, 10:29:37 AM »
You mean having an ID required to vote does not keep blacks and tans from voting ?


wow
what a shock.

I thought they were too victimized to go to DMV or post office to get an ID like everyone else .

I won't forget the day yrs ago while in the Jersey DMV getting new license for the *third* time because I didn't cross a 't' or dot an  'I'  I was 
finally  told I can get the  id while literally standing to some screaming Eastern European telling DMV people he was some sort of priest in his country and they need to treat him with more respect and he should have no problem getting an ID
and they were falling all over themselves trying to accommodate him after I was simply told to go home bring back more "proof" of who I was live etc,   or simply get lost and have to hear "next" [in line]

I should also add when I left I said something to the officer at the front desk that it seems ID requirements are no more then to annoy the people who are born here and she replied "you got that right!"
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Re: voter ID does not ***suppress*** voting
« Reply #1003 on: February 19, 2019, 10:45:22 AM »
Leftists saying that blacks (or other races) have a harder time getting valid ID (because of lower IQ?) is racist.  The procedure of getting valid ID in the US is exactly the same for different races.

Just like illegal immigration, their GOAL is vote fraud and they need to be called out on it.


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Re: election fraud by NJ Democrats
« Reply #1005 on: February 22, 2019, 02:52:57 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/431062-new-jersey-senate-passes-bill-that-would-keep-trump-off-2020-ballot

1.  It sounds unconstitutional to me.  It prevents NJ residents from particpating in a contested election.
2.  I think Trump can win without NJ.  According to Gallup, NJ is the 38th most conservative state. 
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203204/wyoming-north-dakota-mississippi-conservative.aspx
Only if he already won in a landslide would he win in NJ.
3.  At some point don't all these anti-democratic measures reflect badly on the Dems.  The party of fascism?


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1007 on: February 27, 2019, 08:08:17 AM »
Well we don't know if this made the difference in the outcome of the NC election.

Dems love to point this NC example out while denying they do it nationwide every election cycle  for Lord knows how long.
They seem to be able to skirt the law every time with their army of attorneys and local cover ups .

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1008 on: February 27, 2019, 08:26:52 AM »
The lack of chain of custody with ballot harvesting is a big point I think AND IT IS ENTIRELY LEGAL HERE IN CALIFORNIA, HENCE THIS ARTICLE'S CALL FOR CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1009 on: February 27, 2019, 08:43:50 AM »
yes I get it.

agree with federal law but would that apply to only elections for Fed office seekers?

obviously the Dems are gaming the system and we need to close the chance to trick the election results.





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WSJ on the Electoral College
« Reply #1014 on: March 20, 2019, 08:33:37 AM »


Last week we wrote about Democratic ambitions to pack the Supreme Court. This week the Electoral College is on the chopping block as Senator Elizabeth Warren comes out in favor of its abolition, Beto O’Rourke makes sympathetic noises and Colorado’s Democratic Governor signs a bill adding his state to the “National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.” Scrapping the system the U.S. has used to select Presidents since its founding will likely soon be the Democrats’ default position.
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Like the Supreme Court, the Electoral College sometimes frustrates the will of political majorities. That makes it an easy target in this populist age. But while “majority rules” has always been an appealing slogan, it’s an insufficient principle for structuring an electoral system in the U.S.

Presidential elections often do not produce popular majorities. In 2016 neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump won 50%. “Plurality rules” doesn’t have the same ring to it. In the absence of the Electoral College, the winner’s vote share would likely be significantly smaller than is common today. Third-party candidates who can’t realistically win a majority in any state would have a greater incentive to enter the race.

Democrats are upset that Mr. Trump is President with 46% of the vote to Ms. Clinton’s 48%. What if a Republican was elected with a third of the vote in an election featuring five formidable third-party candidates? A free-for-all plebiscite would hurt the system’s legitimacy. The Electoral College helps narrow the field to two serious contenders, as voters decide not to waste their vote on candidates who have no chance to win.

The founders designed the Electoral College to help ensure that states with diverse preferences could cohere under a single federal government. Anyone who thinks this concern is irrelevant today hasn’t been paying attention to the current polarization in American politics. The Electoral College helps check polarization by forcing presidential candidates to campaign in competitive states across the country, instead of spending all their time trying to motivate turnout in populous partisan strongholds.

In a popular-vote contest in 2020, for example, the Democratic candidate might ignore the economically dislocated areas that Mr. Trump won and focus on urban centers along the coasts. Mr. Trump might campaign more in upstate New York or Texas but ignore urban voters.

The Electoral College also contributes to political stability by delegating vote-counting to the states and thus delivering with rare exceptions a faster result. The uncertainty arising from a nationwide recount for President amid myriad regional irregularities—as happened in North Carolina and Florida in 2018—would make Florida 2000 look tame.

The Electoral College abolitionists are unlikely to get a supermajority of three-fourths of states to agree to pass a constitutional amendment. The greater danger is the popular vote compact that Colorado has joined, which requires signatories to ignore their voters and grant their electoral votes to the national popular vote winner. It goes into effect once states representing 270 electoral votes have signed. If the governors of New Mexico and Delaware sign their states’ bills as expected, then 14 states and the District of Columbia with 189 votes will have signed up. A Democratic sweep at the state level could one day get to 270.

The pact is likely unconstitutional. But if it succeeded it would inject more corrosive uncertainty into American elections in pursuit of a hyper-populist system that goes against the structure of the Constitution that has protected liberty for 230 years.


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Re: Federalist on the Electoral College
« Reply #1016 on: March 21, 2019, 09:08:17 AM »
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/16/the-electoral-college-still-makes-sense-because-were-not-a-democracy/?fbclid=IwAR0LyHN-IROvUb6d0QzCiL9GHiXRj7iiLNkAzhWMn1I3f6zz2dapT6Dojiw

Great article.

Trump won 304 electoral votes in an electoral vote contest.  The Democrat HRC won some other contest, the combined, popular vote.  As Elizabeth Warren says to successful entrepreneurs, good for her.  Trump won the states 30-20.  Trump won the counties 2,626 to 487.  Instead of adjusting their policies and message to appeal to people of different interests in different parts of the country as the Founders intended and require, Dems can only think to change the rules to win.

Some states are saying something other than the choice made in their state should determine their electoral vote.  This is unconstitutional.

South Dakota is the 37th most liberal state in the union.  Leftist constitutional amendments like this one will be ratified when the people of South Dakota want to give up all 3 of their electoral votes to NY and California, which is never.  This is why the Left keeps going outside the constitution and outside the amendment process to change the rules.

The Dems are doing exactly what the Founders feared, warned and acted to prevent.  WE DON'T WANT TYRANNY BY THE MAJORITY or by anyone else. “Pure democracy” is just another phrase for “mob rule.” Only the constitution can stop them.  [It's time to start confirming more judges!]

"[Electoral college abolished] equates to the World Series Champions being determined by total number of runs scored."

No one proposes to do baseball that way.  In baseball, the outcome of each game matters.  In Presidential contests, the races in each state matter. 

"The purpose of the Electoral College is to balance voting power across states so no one region of the country can gain too much control."

It still accomplishes that brilliantly. 

Democrats used to love the electoral college (about a minute ago).  They had a pet name for it - they called in their great "Blue Wall".  Their strength in heavily populated states made what was left a needle threading challenge for a Republican to win. 

Now Democrats are the tyranny that the electoral college is designed to stop.  They refuse to consider broadening the appeal of their message or even to hide their hate of the heartland.
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WSJ: Gerrymander is a political question
« Reply #1018 on: March 25, 2019, 10:27:38 PM »
A Gerrymander Mulligan
The Supreme Court should keep judges out of political redistricting.
By The Editorial Board
March 25, 2019 11:35 a.m. ET


The Supreme Court punted last term on the constitutionality of political gerrymanders, but lower courts have run the ball back up the field. Justices will get another two downs on Tuesday, and let’s hope they resolve to leave the issue to the political branches and voters to decide.


Political gerrymanders are older than the republic, and so are the criticisms. Democracy suffers when politicians choose their voters. But judges undermine the Constitution’s ordered liberty when they wade into what Felix Frankfurter called this “political thicket,” and courts have repeatedly failed to discern a manageable standard for reviewing political gerrymanders. The challenges that the Supreme Court will hear to Congressional maps in North Carolina and Maryland again show that none exists.

In Rucho v. Common Cause, the Court will consider a map drawn by North Carolina’s GOP Legislature that a three-judge panel last year blocked for elections after the November 2018 midterms. Liberal groups complain that Democrats control only three of the state’s 13 Congressional districts though they are a plurality of registered voters.

The current controversy stems in part from the judiciary’s earlier redistricting meddling. The GOP legislature redrew the map after a district court in 2016 struck down its prior map as an unconstitutional racial gerrymander. Republicans then ignored race and prioritized maintaining their majority while ensuring districts adhered to traditional redistricting principles such as compactness and continuity.

Despite some oddly-shaped districts, the jigsaw map divides fewer counties and precincts than those Democrats drew in the 1990s and 2000s. Nonetheless, the lower court ruled that the map discriminated against Democrats by diluting their votes in some districts.

The judges claimed the map’s GOP bias was more “extreme” than 99% of alternatives simulated by plaintiffs’ experts using ostensibly neutral criteria. But as Justice Anthony Kennedy observed in 2004, “race is an impermissible classification. Politics is another.” The Court has long held that politics is intrinsic to redistricting, and neither partisan affiliation nor preferences are fixed.

Case in point: North Carolina’s 9th Congressional district was supposedly safe for Republicans but last year was among the most closely contested in the country. Or consider Wisconsin’s legislative maps, which have also been challenged. A majority of voters cast ballots for GOP candidates and Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin in 18 state Assembly districts. Candidates matter.

Twenty-one (mostly Democratic) states assert in an amicus brief that the Court should adopt a standard that requires “proof of both invidious intent and a partisan-entrenching result that cannot be explained by neutral considerations.” They argue that only the most “extreme maps” like North Carolina’s should be struck down.

Judges will presumably know invidious intent when they see it based on statistical measures they would define. This would create even more confusion than the Court’s muddled guidance on racial gerrymanders when at least the voter classification is clearly defined. In political gerrymanders, is the right measure partisan affiliation, historical voting or some combination of both?
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The Republican challenge to Maryland’s 6th Congressional district is no more clarifying. After the 2010 reapportionment, the Democratic Legislature lopped off 66,000 Republicans from the district while adding 24,000 Democrats, which GOP plaintiffs claim violated their First Amendment speech and associational rights.

Last term the Justices declined to issue a preliminary injunction because the map had been used for three general elections and thus was unlikely to cause the GOP plaintiffs “irreparable harm.” But they are reviewing the map again after it was struck down last fall by a three-judge panel of two liberals and one conservative.

The GOP plaintiffs in Benisek v. Lamone say the Democratic Legislature engaged in impermissible retaliation when drawing maps. But any political group can make this claim if their votes are diluted under a new map, even one like Maryland’s that was upheld by a voter referendum. Any judicial remedy that seeks to vindicate the rights of one group could impair those of another.

In any case, it’s far from clear that Republicans are at a permanent disadvantage. Former Democratic Rep. John Delaney won the district by 21 points in 2012 but 1.5 points in 2014 when GOP Gov. Larry Hogan carried it by 14—more evidence that candidates matter in addition to partisan affiliation.

Some progressives support the Republican challenge in Maryland because they know that liberal judges will be more inclined to intervene in redistricting disputes. Thus, many more GOP-drawn maps are likely to be struck down than Democratic ones.

Political gerrymander challenges are proliferating as parties seek to use the courts to overturn electoral decisions, and the Court needs to call a stop. Letting judges mediate what are essentially political disputes will prove more corrosive to democracy—and to the judiciary’s independence—than any partisan gerrymander.


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all the crat states
« Reply #1020 on: April 04, 2019, 05:38:23 PM »

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Re: all the crat states
« Reply #1021 on: April 04, 2019, 09:32:28 PM »
working to game the electoral college :

https://www.westernjournal.com/popular-vote-compact-adds-new-mexico-now-189-electoral-votes/

Ends justify means.   What if Trump wins the popular vote and not NM, and that puts him over the top?

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what a surprise
« Reply #1024 on: April 28, 2019, 05:50:42 AM »
we do voting electronically and low and behold - we should all "lose sleep" worrying about hacking into our voting system .

of course only Russians are smart or motivated to do this.
not democrats:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/us/florida-russia-hacking-election.html

of all the stupid shit.
We really did not have a voting problem in Florida with hand ballots except for the corrupt crats of Broward and Dade counties
who were holding up election results while scouring the landscape for "lost " ballots to suddenly appear.

I don 't know if a Soros funded group doing the electronic voting is also in Florida
Same group approaching all the felons getting to register as crats?

I lose more sleep over that manipulation of our elections.

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From above link in CDs post about Texas voting registration
« Reply #1027 on: May 04, 2019, 10:11:40 AM »
****Three months after first questioning the citizenship status of almost 100,000 registered voters,****

then farther down:

****A top election official in the secretary of state’s office later acknowledged that his office had overstated the number of flagged voters by about 25,000 names because of the mistake****

Correct me if I am wrong :

100,000 minus 25,000 = 75,000.  Thus they found 75 thousand names on voter registrations of non citizens.

Why does this article not mention this outright?
  Why does this not "disenfranchise"  ( the Lefts favorite word)  people who vote legally.   

what about the Ohio gerrymandering win for the crass?  in the news past few days:
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/05/ohio-congressional-democrats-pleased-by-gerrymandering-decision-republicans-quiet.html

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Reconsidering Bush v. Gore
« Reply #1028 on: May 21, 2019, 06:26:57 AM »
Reconsidering Bush v. Gore
The Florida Supreme Court was wrong, but so was the U.S. Supreme Court.
By Gary Rosen
Updated Nov. 7, 2001 11:59 p.m. ET

Indignation toward the Supreme Court has been a defining feature of American conservatism since at least the early 1960s, when Chief Justice Earl Warren and his like-minded brethren launched the judicial "rights revolution" that has continued, more or less unabated, up to our own day. With each expansive new ruling over the years--on obscenity, school prayer, the death penalty, busing, abortion and a host of equally inflammatory issues--conservatives have found fresh evidence of the justices' disdain not only for the limits of their own office but, more gallingly, for the views of the American people and their elected representatives. In a controversial 1996 symposium, the religious journal First Things went so far as to wonder whether this "judicial usurpation of politics" should be seen as the "end" of American democracy.

Where this question stands now, in the wake of the extraordinary events that brought the 2000 presidential election to a close, is unclear. Judging by the many books published in the past year--and especially in the past several months--on the legal aspects of the dispute over the Florida vote, the right is hardly alone any longer in entertaining serious doubts about the role that the courts play in our democracy, nor is the left alone in discounting such concerns.

To be sure, as matters unfolded in Florida after the vote a year ago today, conservatives--or, to be more precise, the supporters of George W. Bush--saw their longstanding fears about the imperial judiciary confirmed yet again. In a series of remarkably freewheeling decisions, the Florida Supreme Court, invoking the "will of the people" to trump what it called "a hyper-technical reliance upon statutory provisions," allowed or ordered manual recounts that were seemingly designed to give Al Gore every opportunity to overtake the slim official lead of his Republican rival. James Baker, Mr. Bush's chief spokesman in Florida, called it "a sad day for America and the Constitution when a court decides the outcome of an election." For the conservative Weekly Standard, the Florida justices had become, as the magazine's cover declared, "Our Robed Masters."

But within a matter of days the entire situation had been turned on its head, both politically and ideologically. In short order, the five-justice conservative majority of the U.S. Supreme Court--William Rehnquist, Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas-- intervened first to impose a stay on the recount and then to reverse the Florida high court, thus barring any further effort to discover votes among the disputed ballots. The endless wrangling about hanging, dimpled and pregnant chads was over, Mr. Bush was president-elect, and conservatives, who had spent weeks decrying the high-handed activism of judges, were elated.

Now it was the other side's turn to speak of a "stolen" election and to vent its fury at a purportedly out-of-control judiciary. Taking their cue from Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who omitted from her opinion the "respectfully" that customarily softens the concluding phrase "I dissent," liberal commentators denounced Bush v. Gore as a "travesty" (Mary McGrory in the Washington Post), a "scandal" (Randall Kennedy in the American Prospect) and a ruling that lacked any "credible explanation" (Anthony Lewis in the New York Times). The "four vain men and one vain woman" of the court's majority were accused of having simply indulged their "self-interested political preferences" (Jeffrey Rosen in The New Republic), rendering a decision that was at once "illegitimate, undemocratic, and unprincipled" (Cass R. Sunstein in the Chronicle of Higher Education). In a full-page ad in the New York Times, 554 law professors--"teachers whose lives," in their own words, "have been dedicated to the rule of law"--declared that by acting as "political partisans, not judges," the justices had "tarnished" the legitimacy of the court.

There was, of course, an element of almost comic irony in these full-throated denunciations, coming as they did from intellectual quarters that have long rationalized or celebrated the overreaching of the American judiciary. Such self-righteous critics should themselves have cleaner hands. But it is not enough to answer a charge of hypocrisy with a charge of hypocrisy. The fundamental question, with all that it portends for our constitutional politics, remains: Were the justices of the Supreme Court right or wrong to play the role they did in the 2000 presidential election?

From the moment reporters were handed Bush v. Gore in the waning hours of Dec. 12, it was apparent that the case had deeply divided the Court. The decision consisted of an almost unprecedented six distinct opinions: an unsigned "per curiam" ruling by all five conservative Justices, a concurrence by the three most conservative of them, and separate but overlapping dissents by each of the four liberal justices--Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.

The concurrence written by Chief Justice Rehnquist and joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas hinged on the issue of just how activist the rulings of the Florida justices had been. Though "comity and respect for federalism" would normally compel the justices to defer to a state court's interpretation of state law, Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote, the Constitution did impose certain limits when it came to the procedures for presidential contests. In particular, Article II provides that the electors of each state are to be selected "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct" (emphasis added in the opinion). Thus it was that the election laws devised by the Florida Legislature took on an "independent significance," demanding a degree of deference that the state's highest court, in its various reworkings of that law, had failed to show. By the light of Article II, the court's most reliably conservative troika held, the Florida justices had "impermissibly distorted" the intention of the state's lawmakers.

The actual judgment of the court--the ruling that carried the force of law--lay, however, in entirely different constitutional precincts, in concerns about the "equal protection" guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. Here the conservative justices, now including the more centrist Kennedy and O'Connor, formed a united front.

Where the Florida Supreme Court had run into constitutional trouble, the five justices declared, was in ordering a recount whose lone instruction to election officials was to determine the "intent of the voter." In the absence of more specific standards, this open-ended rule had resulted in a range of abuses, with contested ballots treated differently not only "from county to county but indeed within a single county from one recount team to another." The mechanism set in motion by the Florida court failed, in short, to "satisfy the minimum [constitutional] requirement for non-arbitrary treatment of voters."

Nor was there time, according to the justices, to devise a new procedure, since the Florida Legislature (at least in the estimation of the Florida court) had meant to protect the state's presidential vote from congressional challenge by taking advantage of the "safe harbor" provision of federal law, the deadline for which, as the decision was announced, was just minutes away. For the violations now before it, the Supreme Court concluded, the only available remedy was to bring the whole contentious process to a halt.

For their part, the liberal justices were unanimous in rejecting the idea that the Florida high court had somehow usurped the role of the state Legislature. The rulings of the Florida justices may have been flawed--"other interpretations were of course possible," Justice Souter observed, "and some might have been better than those [that were] adopted"--but they certainly fell within the bounds of permissible interpretation. Furthermore, Justice Stevens maintained, Article II did not "create state legislatures out of whole cloth, but rather takes them as they come--as creatures born of, and constrained by, their state constitutions," a circumstance that, in this case, gave the Florida Supreme Court broad powers of review.

More complicated was the response from this side of the court to the majority's equal-protection claim. On this question the liberal justices split. Justice Ginsburg saw no evidence that the recount "would yield a result any less fair or precise" than the official count that preceded it. Justice Stevens pointed to the danger of "too literal" an interpretation of constitutional principles; after all, he wrote, if the recount was suspect on equal-protection grounds, so too was Florida's entire election system, which left "to each county the determination of what balloting system to employ--despite enormous differences in accuracy."

Justices Breyer and Souter, by contrast, agreed that the conduct of the recount raised serious questions about the unequal treatment of similarly situated voters. But their agreement with the majority went only that far, and still left them very much in dissent. As Justice Breyer stipulated at the outset, and as Justice Souter echoed in his own opinion, "The Court was wrong to take this case."

Moreover, having taken it and found a violation of equal protection, the court was obliged to send it back to Florida for resolution. As both Justices Breyer and Souter stressed, six days remained until the electoral votes absolutely had to be cast on Dec. 18--meeting the imminent "safe harbor" deadline, all four liberal justices insisted, was not in fact required by Florida law--and the state's high court deserved a chance, however fleeting, to devise the uniform standards now demanded of it.

The most curious feature of the reaction to Bush v. Gore among conservatives has been the widespread agreement on two seemingly contradictory propositions: first, that the majority's decision was a necessary vindication of the rule of law; second, that the equal-protection analysis upon which it relied was entirely unpersuasive. Thus, for Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, the Supreme Court "had little choice but to overturn the Florida court," though the "reasoning in its hasty per curiam decision was so shabby, one can only conclude that the Court did the right thing for the wrong reason." Robert H. Bork, writing in The New Criterion, also found "serious difficulties" with the court's reliance on the equal-protection clause. As he (like Justice Stevens before him) pointed out, disparities like those in the Florida recount "have always existed within states under our semi-chaotic election processes." Nonetheless, Mr. Bork argued, the justices could not permit "the stealing of a presidential election," even at the cost of an "inadequate majority opinion."

As a constitutional matter, what redeems Bush v. Gore in the eyes of Mr. Lowry, Mr. Bork and most other conservative commentators is the concurring opinion of Justices Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas. Indeed, it is widely (and plausibly) assumed that the court's three conservative stalwarts, having failed to persuade Justices Kennedy and O'Connor that the Florida court had violated Article II by rewriting the state's election laws, held their noses and accepted the egalitarian abstractions of what became the majority opinion. Either way, after all, the recount would be stopped.

That the concurrence had the better argument is hard to deny. As Richard A. Epstein of the University of Chicago and Michael W. McConnell of the University of Utah make clear in their separate contributions to "The Vote: Bush, Gore, and the Supreme Court," a useful collection of essays by legal academics on both sides of the controversy, the "interpretations" of the Florida Supreme Court went far beyond what was required to make sense of the sometimes ambiguous or conflicting provisions of the state's election code.

In the fateful first stage of the litigation, the Florida justices transformed a portion of the law concerned with rectifying "an error in the vote tabulation"--a transparent reference to problems with the counting machinery--into a mandate to correct errors committed by voters in the casting of their votes. For good measure, they also ignored a straightforward statutory deadline for certifying vote tallies and replaced it with a much later cutoff date entirely of their own making, thus throwing into disarray the whole process for mounting a challenge to the election results.

In the second stage of the litigation (and largely to compensate for their earlier errors), the Florida justices went still farther down the road of arrogation, ordering a statewide recount of all "undervoted" ballots under the direction of a single circuit judge--an action neither contemplated by state law nor requested by Mr. Gore or Mr. Bush. In all of these proceedings, the basic effect of the court's rulings was the same: to annul the far-reaching discretionary authority of the county and state officials to whom Florida law explicitly assigns the supervision of elections.

This much ground and considerably more are covered by Richard A. Posner in "Breaking the Deadlock: The 2000 Election, the Constitution, and the Courts," the only book-length defense of the ruling in Bush v. Gore yet to appear. For Mr. Posner--a federal appeals court judge, lecturer in law at the University of Chicago and perhaps the country's widest-ranging and most prolific legal thinker--it is not enough to demonstrate that the Florida court went badly astray, "butchering" the state's election laws in violation of Article II. As he argues, with characteristic verve and intelligence, there are still deeper justifications for the Supreme Court's intervention.

Judge Posner concedes that more Florida voters probably set out to support Al Gore than George W. Bush, and that the wider availability of user-friendly voting technology would very likely have sent the Democratic candidate to the White House. But this, he insists, is no defense for what the Florida Supreme Court did. In our representative democracy, with its concern for order and stability, an election is "a formal procedure, a statutory artifact," not "a public-opinion poll." What matters is not some inchoate "general will," à la Rousseau, but votes, and what constitutes a vote is determined by pre-established rules. By promulgating its own rules after the fact, Judge Posner argues, the Florida court was not perfecting the democratic system, as many have claimed, but undermining one of its fundamental pillars: that succession take place according to procedures that are "fixed in advance, objective, administrable, and clear."

In a similar vein, Judge Posner dismisses those who think that the Supreme Court should ultimately have remanded the case to Florida, allowing the state courts and legislature to resolve the election dispute. Florida was entitled to six more days, he acknowledges, but "a responsible recount could not have been concluded by then." In fact, the whole mess, with rival slates of Florida electors, would soon have found its way to the divided halls of Congress, where it would have led to paralyzing chaos. With a new president still unnamed by Inauguration Day, Judge Posner somewhat fancifully suggests, the office would have passed down the line of executive succession until coming to rest, for various reasons, on then-Secretary of the Treasury Lawrence Summers--thus making him our first Jewish President! "Eventually, with the nation's patience completely exhausted," he writes, either Bush or Gore would have prevailed in the House of Representatives, but his presidency "would have started behind the eight ball, with an irregular and disputed accession, an abbreviated term of office, and no transition."

For Judge Posner, these "pragmatic" concerns are paramount in evaluating Bush v. Gore, and form what he considers its "hidden ground." As he concludes, the majority's decision may have "damaged the Court's prestige, at least in the short run; but it did not do so gratuitously--it averted a potential crisis."

There is much to be said for these exercises in apologetics. As its defenders have rightly stressed, Bush v. Gore, whatever the defects of the ruling, did bring an orderly conclusion to an unsettling chapter in our national politics, and it did so, at least in part, on the basis of a credible argument about the Constitution's Article II.

In these crucial respects, the Supreme Court's election-ending decision is not, as some of its critics have suggested, the ideological mirror image of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 abortion decision that has become synonymous with liberal judicial activism. As many liberals themselves are now willing to admit, the ruling in Roe was essentially a piece of judicial legislation, with no grounding in constitutional text or history. More important perhaps, the abortion decision, with its cavalier dismissal of how the states themselves wished to resolve the issue, continues to roil our politics even now, some 30 years after it was handed down--a marked contrast to the quiet that, outside the law schools, quickly descended over Bush v. Gore.

Still, in at least one key regard, the comparison to Roe is not favorable to the present Supreme Court. Say what one will about the authors of the abortion decision, their reasoning in the case, such as it was, was not a surprise; it followed their own activist precedents with respect to the so-called right of privacy, and it reflected a judicial temperament that they had displayed many times before. In Bush v. Gore, by contrast, the five conservative justices performed what can only be described as an ideological somersault, embracing an equal-protection claim that was not only unpersuasive on its own terms but irreconcilable with the basic tenets of their judicial philosophy.

That is the burden of Alan M. Dershowitz's instructive if at times intemperate and wrongheaded book, "Supreme Injustice: How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000." For Mr. Dershowitz--a professor at Harvard Law School who, when not himself taking part in the Florida litigation, was busily offering his opinions on it to any and all media takers--the clearest indication of the justices' culpability is what he calls "the-shoe-on-the-other-foot test." As he sees it, "they would not have stopped a hand recount if George W. Bush had been seeking it." Acting as partisans, they sought a political end without regard to the ideological means.

In support of this claim, Mr. Dershowitz puts together a damning compilation of the conservative justices' previous rulings and statements on the question of equal protection. All of these reveal, as anyone familiar with their views would expect, a profound reluctance to assign the idea anything like the sweeping effect they gave to it in the Florida case. Typical of the excerpts is this, from an opinion by then-Associate Justice Rehnquist:

In providing the Court with the duty of enforcing such generalities as the equal-protection clause, the framers of the Civil War amendments placed it in the position of Adam in the Garden of Eden. As members of a tripartite institution of government which is responsible to no constituency, and which is held back only by its own sense of self-restraint, . . . we are constantly subjected to the human temptation to hold that any law containing a number of imperfections denies equal protection simply because those who drafted it could have made it a fairer or a better law.

And this, from Justice Thomas:

The equal-protection clause shields only against purposeful discrimination: a disparate impact, even upon members of a racial minority, . . . does not violate equal protection. . . . [W]e have regularly required more of an equal-protection claimant than a showing that state action has a harsher effect on him or her than on others.

As Mr. Dershowitz writes, the "glaring and dramatic inconsistencies" between these earlier opinions and the Florida ruling strike at "the core of everything these Justices have stood for over many years."

Nor have the more clear-eyed members of the left, despite their condemnation of the decision, failed to see the opportunity presented by the conservative justices' epiphany on the meaning of equal protection. In The Nation, the historian Eric Foner found a "silver lining" in the court's having "opened the door to challenging our highly inequitable system of voting." Harvard Law School's Lani Guinier, writing in the New York Times, invoked the decision to renew her call for dispensing with winner-take-all legislative districts and moving to a system of proportional representation, since the court had been explicit in "valuing no person's vote over another."

Indeed, taken to its logical conclusion, the notion of equal protection affirmed by the court in Bush v. Gore would draw into question virtually every aspect of the country's locally run, state-administered and highly decentralized electoral system--a point that the conservative justices themselves, confronted by a different set of litigants, could have been counted on to make. This may explain what is perhaps the most objectionable part of the majority's opinion. As if to confess their bad faith, the justices announced toward the end of the decision that they were not, in fact, playing for keeps. Because "the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities," they wrote, "our consideration is limited to the present circumstances."

Alongside this extraordinary disavowal, Alan Dershowitz places the following passage from a 1996 opinion by Justice Scalia, in which the Court's most articulate conservative aptly described the institution's proper role:

The Supreme Court of the United States does not sit to announce "unique" dispositions. Its principal function is to establish precedent--that is, to set forth principles of law that every court in America must follow. As we said only this term, we expect both ourselves and lower courts to adhere to the "rationale upon which the Court based the results of its earlier decisions." . . . That is the principal reason we publish our opinions.

No less disturbing as a matter of judicial philosophy--and seeming partisan favoritism--was the Supreme Court's obvious unwillingness to let the election dispute work itself out in Florida or, if need be, in Congress. If judicial self-restraint means anything, it is that the justices should respect the prerogatives of the other branches of the state and federal governments, especially with regard to those "political questions," as they are known in legal circles, that do not clearly fall within the court's institutional competence and would needlessly involve it in partisan controversy. In such instances, the Justices should exercise what the legal scholar Alexander Bickel called, in his classic formulation, the "passive virtues."

In the Florida case, this would have required, at a minimum, letting the state's high court try to remedy the (supposed) violation of equal protection in its recount standards. Would this have resulted in the political chaos predicted with such flair by Richard Posner? Perhaps. But as he himself grants (and as other commentators on both sides of the political aisle have agreed), the "likeliest outcome of the remand that Justices Souter and Breyer wanted would have been abandonment of the recount when it became clear that it could not be completed, subject to appropriate judicial review, by December 18." Under this scenario, Mr. Bush would still have won--but his victory would not have been tainted by the peremptory action of the court.

More fundamentally, there is the question of whether the Supreme Court should have taken any action at all in the Florida dispute. Even the better argument made by the conservative justices, based on Article II, was, for all its force, without precedent. There can be no doubt that the intentions of the Florida legislature had been perverted, but this alone did not compel the court to take the case or to find an infraction of the Constitution, and concerns about federalism might well have counseled restraint. Moreover, in light of the potential conflicts of interest involved--with candidate Bush having repeatedly declared his admiration for Justices Scalia and Thomas and the justices themselves having an obvious stake in who might be appointed to join them in the future--the court would perhaps have been well advised, in effect, to recuse itself.

Had this happened, we now know, Mr. Bush would almost certainly have retained his lead. As recounts conducted after the election at the behest of news organizations have shown, even the more open-ended counting standards advocated by Democrats and accepted by the Florida court would not have provided enough votes to put Gore ahead. Bush would have made it to the White House on his own.

Needless to say, the justices of the Supreme Court had no way of knowing this as they considered whether to intervene (nor should it have mattered, if their concerns were exclusively of the constitutional variety). What they did know--and what should have furnished the strongest argument for holding back--was that, under both the Constitution and federal law, it was the duty of other, more democratically accountable institutions to safeguard the integrity of the presidential election. The Florida Legislature was prepared to act, and so too was Congress, if disagreement among the branches of the state government had resulted in the naming of separate Republican and Democratic slates of electors.

Had it come to this, the scene on Capitol Hill would certainly have been partisan, and perhaps even ugly. But as we learned from the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton (and as we have had occasion to see again in the wake of the terrorist attack on Sept. 11), our politicians are capable during times of crisis of conducting themselves with the necessary sobriety and seriousness of purpose. Though Judge Posner is probably correct that "whatever Congress did would have been regarded as the product of raw politics," the same has been said, with some reason, about the court's settling of the Florida case--and politics is not supposed to be the court's business.

Why this should be so was well stated more than a century ago by the sponsor of the Electoral Count Act, the law under which Congress would have considered the Florida dispute. As Sen. John Sherman noted in introducing the measure--a belated response to the fiasco surrounding the Hayes-Tilden presidential contest of 1876--some members of Congress had wished to involve the Supreme Court in the process:

But there is a feeling in this country that we ought not to mingle our great judicial tribunal with political questions, and therefore this proposition has not met with much favor. It would be a very grave fault indeed and a very serious objection to refer a political question in which the people of the country were aroused, about which their feelings were excited, to this great tribunal, which after all has to sit upon the life and property of all the people of the United States. It would tend to bring that court into public odium of one or the other of the two great parties.

Naturally enough, much of the bitterness arising from the 2000 election has since evaporated, especially as the country has turned of late to decidedly more urgent matters. But American political life will gradually revert to something like its former state, and when it does, it is unlikely in the aftermath of Bush v. Gore that either of the "great parties" will see the Supreme Court in the same light.

The Democratic Party, of course, has never been well disposed to the court's current majority, and has fought energetically--often unfairly--to keep other conservative judges off the bench. But the critique of the conservative justices has previously been ideological; their ideas were "extremist," their view of the Constitution unacceptably narrow. Now, as never before, liberals have at their disposal the argument that has long served as a rallying cry for conservative critics of the Warren and Burger courts: that the justices are not just mistaken but, in some sense, corrupt, having forgotten the limits of their office.

Perhaps more profound may be the effect on Republicans and conservatives, who, one suspects, will find it difficult to continue avowing their old judicial principles with a straight face. Phrases like "judicial restraint" and "strict construction" may not sound the same for some time. Conservatives will thus be hampered in resisting what may be, in due course, the left's dominant reaction to Bush v. Gore: not second thoughts about its own history of judicial activism, but a renewed commitment to using the courts as an engine of social change. After all, if the judicial gloves are off, they are off for everyone.

The great shame in all this is that the 2000 election might have turned out very differently for the U.S. Supreme Court and our constitutional politics. Given the opportunity to decide who would be President, the conservative Justices, in the service of long-held principle, might have done what members of the high court have always found it difficult to do in the face of society's most pressing concerns and their own strongly held preferences. They might have passed.

—Mr. Rosen is managing editor of Commentary, in whose November issue this article appears, and author of "American Compact: James Madison and the Problem of Founding" (University Press of Kansas, 1999).

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Re: Reconsidering Bush v. Gore
« Reply #1029 on: May 21, 2019, 07:40:50 AM »
There was a 7-2 vote that effectively ended the recount and handed the election to Bush.  The 5-4 decision on one issue also in favor of Bush did not change the outcome of the case or the election but made for very divisive talking points.

"Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional."
https://www.oyez.org/cases/2000/00-949

From the article:
"There can be no doubt that the intentions of the Florida legislature had been perverted, but this alone did not compel the court to take the case or to find an infraction of the Constitution, and concerns about federalism might well have counseled restraint.

The part in bold above ends the discussion constitutionally.  As Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote, the constitution gave that power to the Legislature, not the Courts. 

The equal protection argument the author dismisses was real and valid IMHO - passed 7-2.  They were assessing intent of the voter in order to change votes in 3 Democrat counties and not doing the same for the entire state.  That devalues the vote of the other voters.

The quote from Justice Thomas about equal protection and race pertains to equal protection and race.  That is not the only area where equal protection is required.  There certainly was intent to discriminate and change the outcome in the election with the process of "recounting" different counties differently.

Two Justices, Scalia and Thomas, should have recused because Bush said he admired them?  That is absurd and not the practice of the Justices on the Court.  Buy that logic the other 7 should have recused also because he did not include them as judicial models of the type he would pick and that could bias them against him.

The Court ruled on the facts, the laws and the constitution as well as any constitutionalist could have hoped, in a case of short deadline and high consequences.

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Pravda on the Potomac: Not so fast with the felons Gov McCauliffe
« Reply #1031 on: May 27, 2019, 07:06:45 AM »
Va. high court invalidates McAuliffe’s order restoring felon voting rights

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe issued a sweeping order in April restoring rights to all ex-offenders who are no longer incarcerated or on probation or parole. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
By Fenit Nirappil and
Jenna Portnoy July 22, 2016
Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s decision to restore voting rights to more than 200,000 felons violates Virginia’s constitution, the state Supreme Court ruled Friday, dealing a major blow to the Democratic governor with implications for the November presidential race in the crucial swing state.

In a 4-to-3 decision, the court ruled that McAuliffe overstepped his clemency powers by issuing a sweeping order in April restoring rights to all ex-offenders who are no longer incarcerated or on probation or parole.

The court agreed with state Republicans who challenged McAuliffe’s order, arguing that the governor can only restore voting rights on a case-by-case basis and not en masse.

“Never before have any of the prior 71 Virginia Governors issued a clemency order of any kind — including pardons, reprieves, commutations, and restoration orders — to a class of unnamed felons without regard for the nature of the crimes or any other individual circumstances relevant to the request,” Chief Justice Donald W. Lemons wrote for the majority. “To be sure, no Governor of this Commonwealth, until now, has even suggested that such a power exists.”

But a defiant McAuliffe released a statement late Friday saying that he would pick up his executive pen and restore the rights of those felons on an individual basis, even if it means signing more than 200,000 orders.

“My faith remains strong in all of our citizens to choose their leaders, and I am prepared to back up that faith with my executive pen,” he said. “The struggle for civil rights has always been a long and difficult one, but the fight goes on.”

The court directed the state elections commissioner, Edgardo Cortés, to cancel the registrations by Aug. 25 of about 13,000 felons who had joined the voter rolls after McAuliffe signed his order. Cortés was also ordered to add their names to the list of prohibited voters.

McAuliffe said in his statement that he would “expeditiously” sign individual orders for those 13,000 felons and then keep on signing.

“Once again, the Virginia Supreme Court has placed Virginia as an outlier in the struggle for civil and human rights,” McAuliffe said. “It is a disgrace that the Republican leadership of Virginia would file a lawsuit to deny more than 200,000 of their own citizens the right to vote. And I cannot accept that this overtly political action could succeed in suppressing the voices of many thousands of men and women who had rejoiced with their families earlier this year when their rights were restored.”

The ruling comes three months after McAuliffe stood on the portico of the state capitol and pledged to erase the last vestiges of Jim Crow-era laws that disenfranchised African American voters. Nearly a quarter of the state’s black population cannot vote because of felony convictions.

Virginia is one of just a handful of states that ban all felons from voting and require individual exemptions for ex-offenders to vote, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. The ban is tinged with racial overtones: When it was adopted in 1902, a delegate testified to the need to “eliminate the darkey as a political factor,” according to Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

McAuliffe said his restoration order was his “proudest moment as governor,” and the state party has rallied around the policy as the premier achievement of his term.

[Virginia Supreme Court considers constitutionality of McAuliffe’s order]

But state Republicans saw it as a partisan move to swell the numbers of Democratic voters heading into the November election, when McAuliffe’s good friend, Hillary Clinton, will be battling to win the swing state and its 13 electoral votes in her presidential race against Republican Donald Trump.

Virginia House of Delegates Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) and Senate Majority Leader Thomas K. Norment Jr. (R-James City), who brought the challenge with four voters, applauded the ruling.

“The Supreme Court of Virginia delivered a major victory for the Constitution, the rule of law and the Commonwealth of Virginia. Our nation was founded on the principles of limited government and separation of powers,” they said in a joint statement. “Those principles have once again withstood assault from the executive branch. This opinion is a sweeping rebuke of the governor’s unprecedented assertion of executive authority.”

Lemons noted in his opinion that Virginia’s last Democratic governor, Timothy M. Kaine, declined in 2010 to issue a blanket voting rights restoration order on advice from a senior adviser who said such a move would be an improper “rewrite” of the law and constitution. A spokeswoman for Kaine, now a senator who was announced as Clinton’s running mate Friday evening, did not return a request for comment.

John Whitbeck, chairman of the Virginia GOP, said in a statement that McAuliffe was trying to “stack the deck for Hillary Clinton” and accused him of a “naked power grab.”

Along with voting rights, the governor’s action restored the right to serve on a jury, run for public office and become a notary public.

Civil rights and progressive groups condemned the ruling.

“It’s disgraceful that some politicians would go to such lengths to block these citizens from participating in our democracy,” said Anna Scholl, executive director of Progress Virginia. “We would be happy to send Governor McAuliffe a box of pens to start signing individual orders.”

Voting access has become a heated topic across the country in a presidential election year that is expected to be especially close and hotly contested. Democrats have been pushing to loosen voting restrictions, saying they disproportionately affect poor and minority voters, while Republicans have been trying to tighten requirements in an effort they say is aimed at combating fraud. Earlier this week, a federal court struck down a voter identification law in Texas, finding it discriminated against minorities.

Tram Nguyen, co-executive director of New Virginia Majority, which dispatched staff to begin registering voters minutes after McAuliffe’s order, called Friday’s ruling “heartbreaking” for felons who had felt redeemed.

“They had a glimmer of hope, and now it’s being completely dashed and taken away,” she said.

But McAuliffe had also faced bipartisan criticism about the way his administration implemented the restoration order and for the decision to keep secret the list of felons who had their rights restored.

[Errors in McAuliffe’s clemency order draws scrutiny]

It was discovered that the list mistakenly included several violent criminals still in custody and 132 sex offenders under involuntary supervision. These errors drew ire from Democratic and Republican prosecutors who say they were not properly consulted ahead of the governor’s order and were tasked with finding errors.

McAuliffe’s order also made it simpler for felons to apply for the right to possess guns.

The Friday ruling also shows the consequences of a protracted and bitter battle in the past year over installing a state Supreme Court justice.

State lawmakers ousted a judge appointed by McAuliffe when the legislature was out of session and installed a preferred alternative. That judge, Stephen R. McCullough, joined three other conservative judges in overturning McAuliffe’s order.







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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1038 on: June 28, 2019, 02:42:15 PM »
" .Why would the Reps oppose this?"

just did search to find out but all I could find are LEftist sources . -  NYT WP Salon Politico etc

nothing so far about it, from a source I trust,

Will keep a lookout.

update - I just did search trying to find an answer and page after page of leftist sources saying how McConnell is the creep who blocked this bill in Senate
I wonder if Google is manipulating the search!!!!

This is one way they affect opinion
no doubt their weasley little libs could do this.
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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1039 on: June 28, 2019, 04:56:34 PM »
" .Why would the Reps oppose this?"

just did search to find out but all I could find are LEftist sources . -  NYT WP Salon Politico etc

nothing so far about it, from a source I trust,

Will keep a lookout.

update - I just did search trying to find an answer and page after page of leftist sources saying how McConnell is the creep who blocked this bill in Senate
I wonder if Google is manipulating the search!!!!

This is one way they affect opinion
no doubt their weasley little libs could do this.

Let me assure you, the goolag is working hard to make sure you have exposure to a full spectrum of sources, from the DNC, NPR, MSNBC, and CNN. Oh, and the HuffPo as well.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1040 on: June 28, 2019, 07:20:37 PM »
So, WHY are the Reps voting against this bill?

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1041 on: June 28, 2019, 08:59:44 PM »
So, WHY are the Reps voting against this bill?

Oh, without looking I would guess it's the usual DC Uniparty garbage.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1042 on: June 29, 2019, 11:21:48 AM »
Sorry, but I really like the idea of a paper ballot trail.  Indeed, I am under the impression that we here have been advocating exactly that for several years now.

Why can't we find why the Reps are opposing this bill?



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Re: Trump does not drop citizen question on census ?
« Reply #1045 on: July 03, 2019, 03:19:15 PM »
https://patriotpost.us/articles/64056-trump-drops-citizenship-question-after-roberts-rules-or-does-he
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I want to read the full decision and I was wondering what happens if they go ahead and ask the question anyway.

In the past, they have asked all kinds of unconstitutional, intrusive questions that I'm sure we're not authorized by Congress. This question is relevant, constitutional and traditional. The president made an oath to uphold the Constitution.  So did Chief Justice Roberts and the other four liberals.

Do what is right and let the chips fall where they may. What is wrong with that?

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WSJ: A Way forward on Census Citizenship
« Reply #1046 on: July 05, 2019, 03:40:56 PM »

How to Put Citizenship Back in the Census
The 14th Amendment gives the Trump administration the justification it needs.
By David B. Rivkin Jr. and
Gilson B. Gray
July 4, 2019 2:20 pm ET
People await decisions from the Supreme Court in Washington, June 27. Photo: Mark Wilson/Getty Images

The Trump administration said Wednesday it will attempt to add a citizenship question on the 2020 census while complying with the Supreme Court’s ruling in Department of Commerce v. New York. Five justices held that the Census Act allows the question, but a separate five-justice majority found the rulemaking that added the question was procedurally deficient. There is a way forward. The Constitution itself requires the collection of citizenship information.

Section 2 of the 14th Amendment provides that if a state denies the franchise to anyone eligible to vote, its allotment of House seats shall be “reduced in the proportion which the number of such . . . citizens shall bear to the whole number of . . . citizens . . . in such state.” This language is absolute and mandatory. Compliance is impossible without counting how many citizens live in each state.

The 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868, and this provision meant to secure the voting rights of newly freed slaves. But it wasn’t limited to that purpose. An earlier version of Section 2, introduced in 1865, specifically referred to limits on suffrage based on “race or color,” but the Senate rejected that limitation. The amendment forbids state interference with the rights of all eligible voters (then limited to males over 21).

Section 2 also applies to every state, a point Rep. John Bingham, the amendment’s principal drafter, emphasized during the floor debate: “The second section . . . simply provides for the equalization of representation among all the States in the Union, North, South, East, and West. It makes no discrimination.”

Congress has dealt with suffrage-abridgement problems through other constitutional and statutory means, especially the Voting Rights Act. But that doesn’t change the constitutional obligation to obtain citizenship data. A future Congress could decide to rely on Section 2 to enforce voting rights, particularly as the VRA’s core provision, requiring Justice Department approval when certain states change voting procedures, becomes irrelevant because of changing attitudes and Supreme Court precedent.

Significantly, the last time the Supreme Court addressed Section 2, it emphasized the need to give effect to both Section 1, which includes the Equal Protection Clause, and 2 of the 14th Amendment. That case, Richardson v. Ramirez (1974), involved an equal protection challenge to California’s policy of disfranchising felons.

The president should issue an executive order stating that, to comply with the requirements of Section 2 of the 14th Amendment, the citizenship question will be added to the 2020 census. In addition, he can order the Commerce Department to undertake, on an emergency basis, a new Census Act rulemaking.

That would trigger another round of litigation. Opponents would choose a federal district court likely to block it again, and the Justice Department would have to seek the Supreme Court’s intervention during its summer recess. While rare, such an emergency review has happened before. With the justification for the citizenship question being clear and compelling, the administration should prevail.

Messrs. Rivkin and Gray are lawyers, based in Washington and New York respectively.



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Dick Morris on Russian hacking
« Reply #1049 on: July 26, 2019, 03:30:47 PM »
https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-time-real-russian-election-hacking/

I know we here were against putting voting into electronic machines
of course this could happen

I can only imagine if Trump wins again the Left will continue their tirades for eternity.