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Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities => Politics & Religion => Topic started by: Crafty_Dog on February 25, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
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It occurs to me that we should have a thread for likely 2024 contender Nikki Haley:
https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/02/24/nikki-haley-slams-bernie-sanders-over-aipac-boycott-go-back-to-defending-castro/
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This Is No Time to Go Wobbly on Capitalism
As Democrats embrace outright socialism, some CEOs and Republicans call for unwise compromises.
By Nikki Haley
Feb. 26, 2020 12:47 pm ET
WSJ
There’s an important debate happening in America right now, a competition among three distinct views of the world. The first view is held by those who think capitalism is the best and fairest economic system the world has ever seen. The second is held by those who think socialism is the answer to a host of problems from climate change to inequality. Then there are those who are pushing a watered-down or hyphenated capitalism, which is the slow path to socialism.
Mark me down as a capitalist. I grew up in South Carolina as the daughter of Indian immigrants. My mom started a small business selling clothes and gifts. She worked hard and showed my brothers, my sister and me what it meant to live the American dream. The U.S. is a country where people can find jobs that match their talents and passions. America has lifted up more people and unleashed more prosperity than any other country in human history.
In 1800, you were lucky if you lived to be 40. A third of children didn’t live past 5. Since then, the U.S. has become an industrialized nation. Average real income per person has soared by 4,000% since 1800. Medical breakthroughs mean Americans live much longer. In 1820, 94% of the world lived in extreme poverty, earning less than $1.90 a day, adjusted for purchasing power. Today that figure is closer to 10%. Because of capitalism, the world is cleaner, healthier and wealthier than ever.
As governor of South Carolina, I saw capitalism work. Pro-market policies helped bring our state more than $20 billion in capital investment and created jobs in every county. But I saw something different during my time as ambassador to the U.N. I was reminded that not every country enjoys the same freedom and prosperity. More than 1.5 billion people still suffer under socialist regimes.
Socialism is the dangerous proposition that government should control more of your life, including your property, your money and even your religion. From North Korea to China to Venezuela, socialism results in hunger, poverty and misery. It destroys communities, represses religion and crushes freedom.
In 2018, I stood on the Simón Bolívar International Bridge on the border of Venezuela and Colombia. I watched thousands of Venezuelans cross into Colombia for the only meal they might have that day. I held a beautiful baby girl. Her mother told me all she wanted for her daughter was a future of freedom. They were one of millions of Venezuelan families whose lives have been destroyed by dictator Nicolás Maduro’s socialist policies.
So imagine my surprise to find that socialism has become trendy here at home. Only in a free and prosperous country is it so easy to take capitalism for granted. American socialists claim they seek a gentler socialism, like the one found in Scandinavian countries. But over the years Sweden has cut taxes and introduced a school-choice program. Denmark has cut its business tax rate by more than half since the 1990s. Other democracies, including Israel, India and the U.K., experimented with socialism, only to abandon it. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried.
An entire generation of American adults are too young to remember the suffering socialism caused during the 20th century. Collective historical ignorance is becoming a real threat. Those of us who remember have a responsibility to educate young Americans about the poverty and tyranny that inevitably follows socialism.
Socialism represents the greatest threat to American values, but another movement is also cause for alarm. Advocates of so-called stakeholder capitalism—a philosophy that retains the word “capitalism” but abandons its meaning—include the Business Roundtable. Last year, the chief executives of America’s largest companies changed their definition of business. They said companies should focus on customers, workers and communities instead of being the best business possible. This has a nice sound to it but makes no sense. In reality, a company that cheats its customers, mistreats its workers and abuses its community won’t be around long.
The Business Roundtable knows better, but corporate America is buckling under the pressure of political correctness. This is an unhealthy development that will make business the servant of politics. Few things are more dangerous than big government in cahoots with big business.
Then there are critics who call for other kinds of hyphenated capitalism. Some are conservatives who seem embarrassed by the free market. They advocate for more tax credits here, more subsidies there, more mandates for this, more regulations for that. But their new capitalism would merely give government more power over businesses, workers and families. It differs from socialism only in degree.
It’s true that some businesses are corrupt. That isn’t capitalism, and it isn’t legal. It’s also true that too many lobbying interests win special treatment. That isn’t capitalism either. It’s cronyism and corporate welfare, which should be stopped. Finally, it’s true that income inequality exists. But that’s infinitely better than the alternative. Under socialism, everyone is equal—equal in poverty and misery—except for those who control the government.
The socialist and hyphenated capitalist “solutions” will make these problems worse and lead to less freedom. The better answer is to double down on capitalism. President Trump has done that. Unemployment is at a 50-year low. Wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade. Welfare is shrinking. Millions of Americans have found good new jobs. The stock market boom is helping millions of retirees. It’s time to embrace capitalism, not abandon the values that make America the envy of the world.
Ms. Haley served as governor of South Carolina, 2011-17, and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, 2017-18. This op-ed is adapted from a speech she delivered Wednesday to the Hudson Institute.
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- and she understands that campaign is already well underway.
One theme: Defeat Socialism - before it defeats us.
Good for her.
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"One theme: Defeat Socialism - before it defeats us.
Good for her."
Yes but we aren't going to defeat it by opening the borders to people who have the entitlement mentality.
She is for immigration.
The immigrants today are being catered to by the Dems . They have responded well.
Look at the bluing of how many states now.
When was the last time a blue state turned red with the occasional one time exception?
For sure, not all due to immigrants but at least partly explained by this.
Otherwise I like her and her "message"
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Illegal immigration is a hugely important issue!!! We need to keep an eye on how Nikki has played this issue and will play this issue.
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https://apnews.com/85600e54e5a8957f6cd250025b817e2a
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https://apnews.com/85600e54e5a8957f6cd250025b817e2a
Preparing for her 2024 run. She also might not want to own all their business decisions.
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"Preparing for her 2024 run. She also might not want to own all their business decisions."
well she can simply say business decisions are all turned over to her husband
just like Pelosi and Feinstein do and pretend they do not involve themselves with inside information
while their families get very rich from inside information political connections and government contracts.
Nothing to see here folks
That said Nikki sound like she will not do that ..........
I am not sure I agree with all these government handouts loans to all these business etc.
Like noted on cable:
"THE ERA OF SMALL GOVERNMENT IS OVER !" :-o
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3915253
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3915253
Good.
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Hat tip Stephen Green at Instapundit: "I LIKE THE CUT OF HER JIB":
https://www.dailywire.com/news/nikki-haley-responds-to-trumps-actions-against-chinas-huawei-offers-grim-prediction-for-china
Nikki Haley Responds To Trump’s Actions Against China’s Huawei, Offers Grim Prediction For China.
In response to a Wall Street Journal report on the Trump administration crackdown on China’s Huawei, Haley, who has been hammering China for weeks over its role in the COVID-19 crisis, tweeted, “China will lose their bucket over this move. It is hands down the right move for us in terms of national security.”
Haley’s comment on national security is a reference to the administration’s repeated warnings about the threat posed by China’s attempt to dominate the 5G market.
The Trump administration’s new rule requiring licenses for foreign manufacturers to ship products to Huawei has already resulted in negative fallout for the Chinese company. As reported by Reuters Monday, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (TSMC), the world’s largest manufacturer of advanced microchips, has announced that it has stopped new orders from Huawei in response to the administration’s new rule.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc
I identify with some of what Tucker is saying. That said, what good is he doing with such ad hominem attacks on those one might think are on his own side? How does America turn his way if he succeeds in tearing down Trump, Pence, Haley? The alternative is Biden, Bernie, and Barack's team returning, not some fictionally perfect conservative figure.
It's good that Tucker is an independent voice , free thinking and calls out his own side when they are wrong. We do that. But in his business, all he needs to do is excite an audience of a few million on the biggest cable news network out of a population of 330 million to build his brand. It's easy to be a critic. What Pence, Trump, Haley need to do is something much different. There is more than one thing going on here. They need to thread a needle in an explosive situation. They need to speak to the emotions of the people who saw the video, which is everyone. [Crafty's first summary from well informed observers: 'This is fuct.' They need to acknowledge some points US Sen Tim Scott has made on the background to this . Sen Scott was pulled over 7 times in a year for driving while black? How come Tucker, so outspoken and courageous, didn't go after Tim Scott for empathy to the cause of the "peaceful protesters"?
If you survey SWING voters, that narrow, narrow band in the middle that will determine the direction of the country, I doubt you will find they want prominent Republicans to express less empathy to the perceived injustices some people face.
Regarding Trump and Antifa and the law and order issues: His foreign policy has been described as boisterous isolationism. Isn't that what's happening here? He told the Mayors and Governors to get tougher. He doesn't want to send military troops into Mpls or LA but he talks tough about action if needed against this threat. More usefully, we need military grade intelligence (invisible to us) aimed at the organized components of this destruction, Antifa or whatever we want to call it, to infiltrate and shut down their networks and operations. Empathy on camera and really effective law enforcement work behind the scenes is what can thread this needle. Larger displays of tanks and troops working against 'peaceful protesters' in our cities on camera are the visuals of failure his opponents seek, IMHO.
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Doug wrote:
Larger displays of tanks and troops working against 'peaceful protesters' in our cities on camera are the visuals of failure his opponents seek, IMHO
You mean like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4woMuFZAx88
Of course this is not a fair comparison : a tank vs a slight built man with his grocery bags
compared to bands of criminals attacking people and property , but our wonderful MSM will do everything to pain it that way.
One point Tucker makes - what exactly do these mobs want ?
Less law enforcement in minority communities?
14 trillion from people who earned it.
What about Asian Americans - they have done well .
What about Eastern Indians - they have done well.
Many African born who came here are doing well.
Like one Indian doctor said to me yrs ago - He said "American Blacks"
and shrugged. He said his people came here were not wanted , appreciated or loved and also exposed to adversity but in "one generation " they are now leading professionals,
politicians, attorneys accountants own most of the motels in the South and other businesses
What is wrong with American Blacks he asks?
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him
She is right on the Mike Pence part and has every right to speak out on behalf of her friend and ally. It was a bad show of character when Trump turned on Pence.
On the rest of it, I don't see how we judge Trump's reaction to the vote fraud question without getting a full investigation of what happened. If more than 43,000 Biden votes in key states were illegitimate, if ANY of his votes were subtracted by a corrupted voting machine, then his reaction was admirably restrained in my view. If all the accusations are false, people like Sydney Powell and 200 other respected sources made it all up, then the whole thing was over the top and out of line. Without investigation and truth, I can't judge.
Either way, he did not incite violence or a resurrection any more so than does nearly every speaker and politician in Washington.
Nikki Haley is presumably positioning herself for the aftermath. She needs to separate herself from Trump when he is wrong and on style and temperament. If she intends to run, she better not go too far with that separation.
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".Nikki Haley is presumably positioning herself for the aftermath. She needs to separate herself from Trump when he is wrong and on style and temperament. If she intends to run, she better not go too far with that separation."
I don't agree with anyone who simply says the election fraud is some dumb ass conspiracy
we can all see how the whole thing was rigged
rules were changed leading up to and during the election
ALWAYS to favor crats
to think there was not manipulation enough to turn tide of the election in swing states
is harder to believe then the opposite
Nikki should not make this mistake
I like her but not sure about her position on immigration which in past has been quite weak
I am not sure if she is enough of an ass kicking fighter
But I cheer her efforts
she had been a good supporter overall of Trump
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https://www.prageru.com/video/china-friend-or-foe/
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she sounds great here
too bad the leftist elite globalists will fight her tooth and nail
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NH seems a sure thing to run in 2024. Here is her thinking.
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The world as it is
Nikki Haley’s approach is not based on wishful thinking
By Clifford D. May
Foreign policy and national security are arcane disciplines, but with experience comes expertise. Or not. President Biden has been engaged in international affairs throughout his long political career, including eight years as chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Bob Gates, who served as secretary of defense in both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, wrote in 2014 that Mr. Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”
The late Charles Krauthammer had already observed that Mr. Biden “holds the American record for [being] wrong on the most issues in foreign affairs ever.” The late Sen. John McCain’s evaluation: “Biden has been consistently wrong on every national security issue that I’ve been involved in in the last 20 years or so.”
Since moving to the White House, Mr. Biden has reinforced those judgments. His foreign policy has been based on wishful thinking — on seeing the world not as it is but as he’d like it to be. Examples? He turned Afghanistan over to the Taliban — in the most humiliating way imaginable — and then proclaimed mission accomplished. He insisted that Russian President Vladimir Putin, if not provoked but only cautioned about possible economic sanctions, would refrain from armed aggression. He continues to claim that Iran’s rulers will give up their nuclear weapons program in exchange for a fistful of dollars.
Now consider Nikki Haley, the daughter of Indian immigrants, the first minority female governor in American history. She had zero experience in foreign affairs when former President Donald Trump appointed her U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
But she’s a fast learner who soon proved to be an extraordinarily adept advocate for truth, justice and the American way. Four years ago, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, my think tank, presented her with its Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Statesmanship Award.
Last week, at the Policy Exchange think tank in London, Mrs. Haley gave a speech titled, “Winning the Clash of Civilizations.” She laid out the threats facing America and its allies, explained what’s wrong with the current administration’s response, and outlined how we can — indeed, how we must — defend Western interests and values.
She began by reflecting on “the worst war in Europe since the Second World War.” A “total failure of deterrence” by America and Europe encouraged Mr. Putin to believe that the time was ripe to make Russia a great empire again.
She dismissed as “nonsense,” the view that “NATO expansion prompted Russian aggression.”
“Putin and his cronies are neither dumb nor delusional,” she pointed out. “They knew full well that Ukraine was never on the verge of NATO membership. And they know full well that Russia has nothing to fear from the Baltic countries or Poland.”
Mr. Putin also took note of what Mrs. Haley called “America’s surrender in Afghanistan last summer,” the West’s “failure to effectively challenge the Russian occupation of Crimea in 2014,” the lack of an adequate response to “Russian barbarism in Syria,” and its “use of a chemical weapon right here on British soil in Salisbury in 2018 — same thing. There were a few sanctions and expulsions, but not enough to shake Putin’s resolve.”
The larger lesson: “Appeasement never satisfies the appetites of tyrants. It only makes them want more. Trying to be ‘inoffensive’ only emboldens our enemies.”
The danger Mr. Putin poses, not just to Ukraine but to all Russia’s neighbors and to what remains of the battered American-led international order, is compounded by his burgeoning alliance with China’s ruler, Xi Jinping. A 5,000-word manifesto signed on Feb. 4 states explicitly that, henceforth, their relations are to have “no limits, and no forbidden areas of cooperation.”
As different as they are, neo-imperialist Russia and neo-Maoist China are “united by their fanatical opposition to Western interests and values. And they are increasingly expansionist in their territorial aims.”
Iran’s theocrats, too, have hitched their wagon to Mr. Putin (despite his crimes against Muslims within the Russian Federation) and Mr. Xi (despite his genocide of the Muslims of Xinjiang) because they have their “own ambitions for regional dominance and the destruction of free nations.” To address these growing threats, Mrs. Haley said, requires “a fundamental shift in how the West approaches our enemies.” That shift would begin with the recognition that we were wrong to believe that if we were only “nice to Russia and China they would want to be more like us.”
“That is the height of narcissism,” she told her audience. “Along with the Iranians, they are committed to ideologies that are incompatible with our freedom and security.”
Our militaries — especially those of most European nations — are not all they need to be given current realities. It is essential that Europe break its addiction to Russian oil and gas. Disentangling from strategic supply chains anchored in China also should be on our to-do list.
These steps will be insufficient if we don’t “regain our belief that the Western way is worth defending.” The West is not without its faults and failures. No civilization is. No civilization ever has been.
But only the West offers a path to “peace and prosperity. Free speech. Free enterprise. Freedom to choose our own leaders. Freedom from the tyranny of overreaching government. When we place those values up against those of our enemies, there is no contest.”
Mrs. Haley concluded that “in this clash of civilizations, we know how to win. We simply must have the resolve to do it.”
Our leaders, in Washington and other Western capitals, ought to be fostering such resolve. Apparently, they’re not up to the task. It is the responsibility of voters in free nations to recognize that reality and change it.
Clifford D. May is the founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of De-mocracies and a columnist for the Washington Times
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https://news.yahoo.com/the-promise-and-perils-of-nikki-haleys-white-house-run-230715489.html
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WITH JIM GERAGHTYFebruary 15 2023
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Give Nikki Haley a Chance
On the menu today: Former South Carolina governor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley will make her presidential campaign official with an appearance in her home state this morning, and then tomorrow, she’s off to New Hampshire. A lot of the early coverage of Haley is pointing out what a long shot she is; over at The Bulwark, Sarah Longwell snickers that Haley’s “the perfect Republican presidential candidate for 2015.” But as both a potential nominee and president, Haley would bring a wide range of strengths and serious accomplishment record to the table. A lot of race-watchers seem convinced that Republican primary voters don’t want that. Do they?
Nikki Haley’s Record
The next president is going to face a dangerous world and sooner or later is likely to deploy U.S. troops into harm’s way. It might be nice to have a president whose husband is a captain in the U.S. Army National Guard, who served for a year in Afghanistan, and whose convoys were hit with improvised explosive devices twice, thankfully with no injuries.
Upon Michael Haley’s return from his deployment in 2013, then-governor of South Carolina Nikki Haley later said, “Seeing him, I felt like I took my first breath in a year.” It might be nice to have a president for whom military deployments and the effect on military families is not an abstract issue.
(I notice Michael Haley’s service in Afghanistan is not one of the 55 things that Politico wants you to know about Nikki Haley. However, Politico does want you to know about all the times that her Republican rivals have called her a “raghead.”)
The next president is going to face a complicated state of foreign relations. It might be nice to have an indisputably conservative Republican who somehow managed to convince the New York Times editorial board that she was an effective U.S. representative to the United Nations, who “could talk as bluntly as the president himself about the failings of the United Nations system, and yet, more quietly, she proved a practitioner of multilateral diplomacy.” The Times raved, “many United Nations diplomats valued Ms. Haley as a pragmatic envoy who could explain the president to a world confused by the chaos in Washington,” and it praised her efforts to reform the U.N. bureaucracy and building consensus for “tough new sanctions on North Korea.”
Haley received similar expression of surprised praise from Politico, BuzzFeed, Foreign Policy, and multiple columnists at the Washington Post. Many foreign-policy wonks thought Haley was unprepared and in over her head when she started the U.N. ambassador job. Apparently, she’s a fast learner, a persuasive communicator, and has good instincts. It might be nice to have a president with traits like these.
The next president is going to face a national debt beyond $31 trillion. It might be nice to have a Republican nominee who not only balanced a budget, as required by state law, but who was willing to fight her own party on spending she deemed excessive and pushed for a simpler tax code. It might be nice if the Republican nominee could point to reducing ineffective spending in, say, the United Nations peacekeeping program, reducing the U.S. contribution by 7.5 percent and overall spending by $600 million.
The next president is going to be the head of state for a country that has lost a lot of faith in its institutions, particularly in the federal government, and a sense that few if any powerful figures are held accountable anymore. Way back in the day, as a state legislator, Haley took on her own party over the importance of having recorded votes (instead of voice votes, in which no record is made of which lawmakers approved and which opposed a particular bill or amendment). At one point, less than 10 percent of all votes in either chamber of the South Carolina state legislature were on the record. After a long, long fight, Haley signed two bills into law — in 2011 and 2016, respectively — that require the legislature to take more recorded votes,
Despite its heavily Republican voting record, the South Carolina of the late 2000s and early 2010s was not a conservative’s paradise. State politics were often dominated by a powerful political establishment that liked to take care of its own and dish out favors to its friends. The state’s governorship was relatively weak and its legislature was strong; Michael Barone’s Almanac of American Politics cites the anecdote of former governor Mark Sanford, an indisputable fiscal conservative, issuing 106 vetoes on spending he deemed excessive and the legislature overriding 105 of them.
(At one point, it was considered controversial or scandalous that Haley’s then-14-year-old daughter was working in the gift shop of the South Carolina state house, making $8 per hour, and working 20 to 25 hours per week cleaning and stocking shelves. Remember when that was considered a controversial way for the child of an elected official to earn money, in the pre-Hunter Biden or Jared Kushner Saudi deal days?)
The next president is likely to face a widespread public perception that large corporations benefit from unfair laws and rules that hold back small businesses. It might be nice to have a president who stepped down from Boeing’s board of directors after less than a year because she opposed a request for $60 billion in government aid to the company during the Covid-19 pandemic, declaring that she “cannot support a move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position. I have long held strong convictions that this is not the role of government.” As a member of the board of directors at Boeing, Haley made $256,322 in 2019 and $83,750 in 2020.
The next president is likely to face widespread public doubt that institutions of higher education are effectively preparing America’s young people for the world, and instead incubating a generation of ideologically extreme, hypersensitive, fragile layabouts who are addicted to social media and incapable of overcoming adversity. Haley serves on the board of trustees of Clemson University, and often tells audiences of young people that “they need to have three war stories they can tell, stories that involve something that made them uncomfortable but stronger in the end.”
Haley often tells audiences a version of this story:
Haley ran against Larry Koon, the longest-serving legislator in the state, and who was, she says, “related to half the district.” During the campaign, she and her husband, sporting their “Haley for Legislature” badges, attended a Ducks Unlimited event. A crowd of 1,500 people was there, with a long line waiting to shake hands with the incumbent. As she tells the story, Koon’s cousin got on stage and said, “I want you to know that I’m voting for Larry Koon, and I want everyone else in this room to vote for Larry Koon.” He was greeted with massive applause.
Haley and her husband stood in line. “I shook Mr. Koon’s hand, and he said, ‘See, little lady, they love me.’ And I said, ‘Yes sir, they do.’” Haley spent the rest of the evening, shaking every hand she could, to make sure, she says, “that they knew I wasn’t leaving.”
On Monday, she visited Mr. Koon’s cousin in his office. “Hey, I’m Nikki Haley, and I’m running for State House. I wanted to talk to you,” she said. “I just wanted you to know why I’m running.”
He responded, “I just told over a thousand people I’m voting for him, and they should, too.”
She acknowledged that, but asked him to hear her out. “I told him why I was running,” she says. “It was no disrespect to the incumbent, but I just thought we needed something different.”
After she was done, he thanked her and said, “But what do you want from me?”
With just a little more than chutzpah, Haley responded, “I don’t want you to put my yard sign in your front yard. But in your small circles, I want you to tell people what I had to say, and that you liked what I had to say.
“And before I leave, I need a thousand dollars.”
And he gave it.
It was a tough primary, and a runoff that got ugly, focusing on religion, on nationality, on gender. But she won it by a 10-point margin.
We know the Democrats and their allies will contend that the Republican Party is misogynistic. It might be helpful to have a nominee who is a woman. We know the Democrats and their allies will contend that the Republican Party is full of “white nationalists,” and is xenophobic and anti-immigrant. It might be helpful to have a nominee who is the daughter of Indian immigrants.
Much like the man she appointed to the U.S. Senate, Tim Scott, Haley tends to bring out the worst, ugliest, and most hateful sides of her critics. Figures from Ann Coulter to South Carolina Democratic chairman Dick Harpootlian have “joked” that Haley is not really an American and “should go back to where she comes from.” Apparently it doesn’t matter if you’re born in Bamberg, go to Clemson, live in South Carolina almost your entire life, build a business, sit on the board of your church, donate $130,000 to charity in one year, and have a husband in the Army National Guard who serves in Afghanistan for a year . . . you will still face “You’re not one of us” crap.
That ugly, hard-fought 2010 Republican gubernatorial primary included some questioning of whether Haley was truly a Christian. (Some people may forget, David Brody, but I don’t.)
Haley has her flaws and her missteps and unresolved problems from her days as governor. She will face tough questions about her past statements about President Trump, and whether, when push comes to shove, she ultimately should be seen as more of an ally or more of a critic of Trump. Back in April 2021, she said that if Trump was running, she would not run for president, and Republicans will ask fair questions about what changed and why.
But a good and serious Republican Party would give Haley real consideration as a potential nominee, noting that her depth and breadth of experience and combination of indisputable toughness and charisma on the stump represent a rare combination of strengths in a potential president who is only 51 years old
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I am open to her
but she has some proving to do
not just talk
I am concerned about
her possible propensity to give in to the LEFT
and flip flopping on Trump support
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I also did not like her calling Jared a genius -- perhaps he is though - but he is simply not my favorite character. :wink:
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I can’t tell you how proud I am to see a new young and diverse group of republicans stepping forward and taking up the banner of RINOism!
As what used to be America crumbles in front of us, at least the sting will be lessened by knowing we aren’t just being sold out to the DC Uniparty by old white males, nominal republicans of all races, ethnicities and genders can do at least a good of a job, if not better of stabbing us in the back while looting the treasury.
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I am open to Haley as well. We'll see how the candidates compare and how their record matches up to their rhetoric.
It comes down to our perception of who can deliver. Who can win the nomination, win the election, and save the Republic. Simple.
My early leaning is that DeSantis can do this best. If it's Haley, that's fine with me.
I've never seen the stage set so well for a new leader, a real leader, to take this bull by the horns.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/go-back-to-your-own-country-ann-coulter-trashes-south-carolina-born-nikki-haley/ar-AA17xpCB
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‘Go Back to Your Own Country’
is not helpful for Republicans to say to a second generation legal immigrant .
stupid indeed actually.
as for haley being soft on immigration - so far yes - she has a lot to prove
as for her being ruthless or backstabbing
what other example can Coulter come up with other then she no longer supports Trump for '24 - as I believe most Republicans feel the same way
so what.
Haley is supposed to worship at his feet for the rest of her life
and she is right we have not won popular vote since 2004
Yes I get the rigging of the '20 election
as for ruthlessness , I was listening to Bill O'Reilly recently who had as. a guest Dough Schoen - a liberal - but actually a very reasonable one ( how refreshingly rare )
who pointed out the ruthlessness of Trump (talk about back stabber )
Obama and the Clintons ...
as for Biden he was a bit more obscure - saying Biden certainly understands how to work power with back room deals
and must be no less ruthless.
Obama was very ruthless
if any one crossed him they were out permanently ; only. difference he did not call them childish names in public - he would operate through his agents to hurt them behind the scenes - the usual wink nod so he can claim he had nothing to do with it
Clintons - the same you crossed them in any way
they will never forget or forgive Bill was just as ruthless as hillary
I am thinking of buying Schoens book after this interview :
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Power/Douglas-E-Schoen/9781682452042
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At this point Coulter is a burnt-out attention whore.
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“Is not helpful for Republicans to say to a second generation legal immigrant .
stupid indeed actually.“
Perhaps “paper Americans” such as her should show more respect for heritage Americans.
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so Haley took down the Confederate flag from the SC capital
a good call as far as I am concerned.
as for monuments, FWIW I am mostly against removing them
but clearly the flag represents slavery / Jim Crow
at least as much if not more then "states rights " etc
certainly I can empathize with Blacks who would naturally be offended
of course I am a Yankee and proud of it.
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Agreed.
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so Haley took down the Confederate flag from the SC capital
a good call as far as I am concerned.
as for monuments, FWIW I am mostly against removing them
but clearly the flag represents slavery / Jim Crow
at least as much if not more then "states rights " etc
certainly I can empathize with Blacks who would naturally be offended
of course I am a Yankee and proud of it.
My ancestors that fought in the civil war (the first one) wore blue. I am from a state that was a union territory. The confederate flag isn’t my flag. Having said that, I understand that southerners may have a different view of it. The south could’ve waged a generations long guerilla insurgency, instead Robert E Lee chose to surrender and create a domestic peace.
Were I somehow an immigrant to India, I would probably keep my mouth shut about some generations old conflict between Hindus and Sikhs rather than jump in to virtue signal for political gain.
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I hear you
but ,
"Having said that, I understand that southerners may have a different view of it."
but what about the Southern blacks who are descendants of slaves and Jim Crow blacks the latter group some of whom are still alive?
do their views count?
Haley is 2nd generation immigrant
how many generations must past before her opinion on Amerian history counts?
I am 3rd generation American; never lived during Civil War or in Jim Crow South
or had any ancestors that did (though I have an uncle somewhere in Arkansas since maybe the 1920's who could no longer be alive )
and I have my opinion about the Confederate flag .
The Confederacy has been dead for 150 yrs
no reason to forget it
but no reason to celebrate it in my opinion either .
let us raise the American flag not the rebel one.
The North won!
I am proud of that .
We can honor the 750,000 who died in that way I feel.
Another thought:
do you think your ancestors who served in the Northern armies would like to know the Confederate flag
is still being flown in the South?
Would you not honor *them* more by agreeing the American flag should be the one flying
somehow I don't like the Conferate flag
much more then I like the damn gay flag all over the place
my 2 cents
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American born citizen Haley was twice elected by the citizens of South Carolina.
It was part of her duty as governor to engage with the issues of the day, be it the the Confederate flag flying in official capacity or a raving out and out racist gunning down black people praying with him IN THEIR CHURCH.
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American born citizen Haley was twice elected by the citizens of South Carolina.
It was part of her duty as governor to engage with the issues of the day, be it the the Confederate flag flying in official capacity or a raving out and out racist gunning down black people praying with him IN THEIR CHURCH.
Did those statues cause the murders? What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?
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"What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?"
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Less than 1% from among those 13% are doing that.
System failure. Everything we've done wrong to trigger that - we're still doing.
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"What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?"
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Less than 1% from among those 13% are doing that.
System failure. Everything we've done wrong to trigger that - we're still doing.
It’s much more than 1 percent.
Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?
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It’s much more than 1 percent.
Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?
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My views are in the urban thread. Black on black crime is not racial in my view. It comes out of 'welare', targeted at blacks, leaving males without family and work responsibilities - for generations.
Less than one percent of our population are committing the pattern murders and the rest, like us, are victims.
They share culpability if they vote to continue, repeat and accelerate what clearly leads to this human carnage.
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[quote author=G M
It’s much more than 1 percent.
Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?
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My views are in the urban thread. Black on black crime is not racial in my view. It comes out of 'welare', targeted at blacks, leaving males without family and work responsibilities - for generations.
Less than one percent of our population are committing the pattern murders and the rest, like us, are victims.
They share culpability if they vote to continue, repeat and accelerate what clearly leads to this human carnage.
Do you see populations repeat the same patterns in different places? Somalis (as a group) act like Somalis, no matter if it's Mogadishu, Minneapolis or Malmo. 3rd/4th generation Tunisians that have lived only in France burn down their own cities when the Tunisian soccer team loses. 5th generation Japanese Americans tend to have the same levels of criminality as the Japanese populations in Japan, meaning little to none on average. Majority black American cities where the levers of power are in black hands, do you see safe, clean, well run cities? Please name a few, I'll wait.
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Working from memory, one of the points of Charles Murray's "White America" is that the more pertinent data centers around marriage and the presence of fathers or not.
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Working from memory, one of the points of Charles Murray's "White America" is that the more pertinent data centers around marriage and the presence of fathers or not.
Would that explain how Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa, and when it became a black ruled Zimbabwe, it became a basket case?
Under white rule, South Africa was a first world country, now it has infrastructure like Jackson, Mississippi.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1155014891/south-africas-power-grid-is-collapsing-and-outages-are-disrupting-the-economy
https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/145971/south-africas-social-welfare-system-cracks-under-poverty-burden
Good thing that can't happen here!
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Seems like quite the non-sequitor to me.
We were talking about America.
South Africa has a very distinct history.
The challenge of my point remains: Are not the disparities to be explained explainable in the non-racial terms of family structure (married parent vs. single moms) and the presence of working fathers?
Do we not see similar dynamics in whites or other groups with single moms, absent fathers, etc?
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How would you "explain how Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa, and when it became a black ruled Zimbabwe, it became a basket case". Was it something about white, black and race, or was it economic policies?
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Doug-- he is luring you into his non-sequitor tangent. :-D
Rhodesian-Zimbabwean agricultural and monetary policy is irrelevant.
This is the Nikki Haley thread and as part of that we were discussing her part in removing the flag of the Confederacy from the flag of South Carolina.
RETURNING TO NIKKI HALEY: Though I am not a supporter (I prefer DeSantis) I think it fair to say that she represents the Republican Party well in race matters. Arguably, her being of Indian descent gives her a unique perch and a certain inoculation from which to elude the usual dynamics of black-white racial politics. She handled well the racist killer, she handled well getting rid of the confederacy flag in a content of character fashion and not in RINO bended knee fashion.
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we all know the stereotype of the Jewish doctor is not replaced by the stereotype Indian doctor (the new Jews)
for sure Indians were not usually welcomed with open arms when they first migrated here 50 ish yrs ago
They were not loved, accepted, trusted, or understood
by doctors and patients
I had patients coming to me saying they did not want an Inidan doctor.
I remember one Indian doctor telling me he knew my father in the 70s and he appreciated he came up to him and said if there was anything you need let me know
it made me feel proud of my father
but that was not the usual case
my point is it certainly was a challenge for Indians who migrated here but not clear it really is anymore.
Indian doctors in my area are very successful
and few to my knowledge have any problem seeing them as patients
or me referring patients to them (tho since I have been a telemed doctor I don't refer patients anymore)
Indeed they contribute mightily to the medical profession
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Seems like quite the non-sequitor to me.
We were talking about America.
We are talking about the founding stock of America that forged "The city on the hill" from a hostile wilderness and later groups of immigrants that have taken advantage of the American dream while holding Heritage Americans in contempt. We are talking about how the "Magic soil" theory of immigration doesn't work. Different peoples have different group behaviors that don't disappear when they have different passports. I apologize, I thought it was obvious to everyone here.
South Africa has a very distinct history.
Yeah, it has the history where whites built a first world level country and then when blacks took power, it became just another subsaharan African country with the usual corrupt government, violence and grinding poverty.
The challenge of my point remains: Are not the disparities to be explained explainable in the non-racial terms of family structure (married parent vs. single moms) and the presence of working fathers?
Do we not see similar dynamics in whites or other groups with single moms, absent fathers, etc?
Does subsaharan Africa have a problem with absent fathers?
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Ummm , , , we are (or were haha) talking about Nikki Haley.
Before responding further-- a point of clarification: Unless I misunderstood, you commented she should STFU on the Confederate flag because she was the child of immigrants?
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Ummm , , , we are (or were haha) talking about Nikki Haley.
Before responding further-- a point of clarification: Unless I misunderstood, you commented she should STFU on the Confederate flag because she was the child of immigrants?
Yes. It's about skin in the game. It's about generations of blood and sacrifice for this nation. It's about respect. How many of Nikki Haley's family wore an American uniform? Zero?
A US passport doesn't make you an American.
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In great part the American Revolution was fought to put an end to inherited privilege. Though so many have forgotten (or never knew) America is a Creed, not a race or religion or ethnic group etc.
The American citizens of South Carolina elected her to be their governor and engage with the issues of the day. And to great popular support she did that-- including getting a symbol of slavery off the flag of their state , , , and your argument is that she should STFU because her parents were not born here but came here legally and taught her to be one of us?
Wow.
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In great part the American Revolution was fought to put an end to inherited privilege. Though so many have forgotten (or never knew) America is a Creed, not a race or religion or ethnic group etc.
The American citizens of South Carolina elected her to be their governor and engage with the issues of the day. And to great popular support she did that-- including getting a symbol of slavery off the flag of their state , , , and your argument is that she should STFU because her parents were not born here but came here legally and taught her to be one of us?
Wow.
A Boomer fantasy. A fantasy that a crumbling society can't afford.
You think her parents or Nikki loves America? I'm sure they were happy to take part in the good things America did offer. Willing to bleed and die for America? Nah, that's for the rural whites to do.
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https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2023/04/05/nikki-haley-block-illegal-migration-expand-legal-migration/
she is still very weak on immigration enforcement
nikki haley for '24
I will not vote for her.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12256939/China-preparing-war-DECADES-racing-ahead-Army-takes-gender-pronoun-class.html
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https://www.westernjournal.com/nikki-haley-forces-tucker-answer-question-shrug/
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https://www.westernjournal.com/nikki-haley-forces-tucker-answer-question-shrug/
Seems more than a little unfair to me. Does he think it happened under her watch? It didn't obviously. Does he think she gets national Security briefings? I think not. Does he think that if she did get briefings, they would be honest and forthcoming on this? No. Does he want her to speculate and make news on that with no real evidence. It happened a certain way because Sy Hersch said so? Does he know the answer to his own question? No.
Seems to me he is on a mission to discredit everyone who disagrees with his anti-war stance on Ukraine, but the Republican party is divided on that question. He thinks we have to have a nominee who divides the party in his direction. Good for him but he's not exactly an impartial questioner.
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Obviously, I am a huge fan of Tucker, but I think your comments to be quite fair.
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"Does he want her to speculate and make news on that with no real evidence. "
unlike him , who cost Fox hundreds of millions
and maybe even. more - to be noted
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"unlike him , who cost Fox hundreds of millions and maybe even. more - to be noted"
I'm not seeing that.
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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/gop-debate-climate-change-pushback/2023/08/23/id/1131862/
That said Climate change has nothing to do with Hawaii fire and this should have been mentioned.
Does anyone think a 1 to 2 degree increase in weather made a difference in the fire?
we see it was caused by downed power line during high winds - and the replacement of farmland by grass and the shingles roofs
all of which have NOTHING to do with climate change
I don't think Vivek simply calling it a hoax is going to allay fears from of a youngster who hears the opposite all day long.
We need to show we do care about clear water , air pollution , acidic oceans , plastics filling up the middle of the oceans and showing up on the shores of every island in the world
Haley had the best response - of course we care but it is overstated and there is a right and wrong way to approach climate change whether it is man made or natural
I would vote for her.
Don't love her immigration policy
I bet she could beat Biden or Newsome hands down!
I do prefer Ron most but not sure about his crossover appeal either.
I want to WIN
not role the dice!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/lee-fang-nikki-haleys-sudden-wealth-rooted-weapons-industry-pro-war-advocacy-network?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1782
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so this is where the Vivek comment about her being on boards of Lockheed and Raytheon came from.
:wink:
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Haley Made Some Noise
Love her or hate her, this GOP hopeful had a lot of interesting things to say at the first primary debate.
Emmy Griffin
Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley is seeing a post-debate polling boost. Why? Because she decided to take a more honest tack and speak hard truths to the American people. She didn't shy away from pointing out that there are difficult problems our country faces and that potential solutions are not without compromise and even potential downsides. In other words, she treated the audience — and, by extension, the American people — like they were adults.
On the topic of abortion, Haley duked it out over whether a federal 15-week abortion ban is something she'd sign if it landed on her hypothetical presidential desk. Haley stood out on this topic in more ways than one. Her position on the subject is one of practicality. As it stands now in the Senate, such a bill is dead in the water. It would need 60 votes. It simply does not have the votes.
She then went on to outline her alternative stance that she has dubbed her "consensus" policy. She advocated for a more incremental push on abortion restrictions based on more universal agreement on the subject. In her own words: "Can't we all agree that we should ban late-term abortions? Can't we all agree that we should encourage adoptions? Can't we all agree that doctors and nurses that don't believe in abortion shouldn't have to perform them? Can't we all agree that contraception should be available? And can't we all agree that we aren't going to put a woman in jail or give her the death penalty if she gets an abortion?"
Consensus policies are a good way to start if the ultimate goal is to change hearts and minds toward protecting innocent children. It was that incremental push that finally got Roe v. Wade overturned after nearly 50 years.
The bad news? As Florida Governor Ron DeSantis pointed out, the GOP is contending with a Democrat Party that is so radical on the subject that there may not be a way to actually reach a consensus. The Democrat Party's stance is to oppose all barriers to "reproductive health for women."
Haley also talked about government spending. She correctly pointed out that it wasn't just the Democrats who are spending more money than we have; the Republicans are too. She stated: "Donald Trump added $8 trillion to our debt. Our kids are never going to forgive us for this. At the end of the day, you look at the 2024 budget, Republicans asked for $7.4 billion in earmarks. Democrats asked for $2.8 billion. So you tell me, who are the big spenders? I think it's time for an accountant in the White House." Her solution: Fiscal responsibility.
Her most lauded moment of the debate dealt with foreign policy. As a former UN ambassador under President Donald Trump, she understands the intricacies of foreign relations a bit better than most of the primary field. She schooled entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and his theories on how to end the war in Ukraine. Ramaswamy wants Ukraine to end the war (i.e., surrender) and give Russia the contested land, and as president he would then convince the Russians to distance themselves from China.
Haley correctly pointed out that a victory for Russia is a corresponding victory for China. That concession would likely lead to China's invasion of Taiwan — and probably a direct conflict between the U.S. and China.
She went on to accuse Ramaswamy of abandoning Israel. This particular issue is one that shows Ramaswamy's lack of understanding of the delicate political dance that goes on in the tumultuous Middle East. It was thanks to Trump's leadership that the Abraham Accords were signed, bringing a measure of peace to the Middle East. Haley ended her upbraiding of Ramaswamy with the comment, "You have no foreign policy experience, and it shows!"
Finally, her most bold move was actually after the debate in the spin room with Fox News personality Sean Hannity. She pointed out the hard truth that Trump's path to victory in the general election is a dubious one. Americans are not hungry for a Biden/Trump rematch. For starters, Trump faces the extra hurdle of dealing with the several politically motivated court cases brought by election-tampering Democrats instead of campaigning.
Haley emphasized the importance of a GOP win not only to clean up the corruption in the deep state but also to prevent another Biden/Harris term. Whether you agree or not, she says that will be harder if Trump is the nominee.
Haley already had a lane leading up to the debate by being the only female politician in the race, but her forthright stances during the debate (right and wrong) struck a chord with the viewers. There is still a long road ahead to the primaries, and it's unlikely that Haley overcomes her faults to win the nomination. Yet in many ways, her straightforward approach can't help but speak to an American people who value honesty from leaders — a quality seriously lacking in politicians in general.
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From other discussions, I wonder if she is soft on immigration or has just been taken out of context. Here is an interview with face the Nation:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nikki-haley-immigration-family-separation-us-mexico-border-face-the-nation/
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I'm smelling weakness there. For example, where are the calls for mass deportations? For example, blaming the Reps equally with the Dems? Seriously?!?
BTW, the government numbers here are horsesh*t:
"But an expected spike in illegal crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border after the policy ended has not materialized in the immediate aftermath, according to government data obtained by CBS News."
The government simply allowed illegals to click some stuff on its website so as to be counted differently.
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Nikki was on Margaret Hoover the RINO who asked her what she would do with birth babies in US
She deflected the question to
I would first enforce law at borders and
help foreigners with merit come in to help our economy
more or less
she is weak on immigration
otherwise she is good in MHO
cannot find the link yet
only one from 2019
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Understood, but enforce the law at the border, if she means it, could be a hell of an improvement from where we are now.
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agreed
she will deport no one it seems to me.
unfortunately deportations probably would be an untenable politically with MSM interviewing all the sobbing deportees 24/7 ........
one can only imagine all the screams of an inhumane holocaust
and WSJ types all over this too.
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Some of the GOP candidates ARE calling for deportations. I support their doing so.
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/haleys-top-backers-include-democrat-donors-silicon-valley-billionaires-5546297?utm_source=Goodevening&src_src=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2023-12-14&src_cmp=gv-2023-12-14&utm_medium=email&est=QuzbeeuOfcURyc3oG9khnR0h6a2%2FUL2FmbM9ogn81utyBmBJVKYz43RXI95uILnUkCgH
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... and Reindeer Affairs funeral?
Trump Totally Should Pick Nikki Haley for His Veep
Kurt Schlichter
Jan 04, 2024
Let me make it clear from the beginning that I think Nikki Haley (R-Boeing) is a vapid establishment automaton who is basically the Kamala Harris of the Republican Party, a Bushesque mediocrity who represents a dying ideology that peaked in 2005, and good riddance to it. She’s the worst – self-righteous, annoying, always spewing grrrl-power nonsense and hack clichés salvaged from the back catalog of the Weekly Standard. She’s a disaster on every level, one of those people who is both very aggressive and always wrong, the worst possible combination. That being said, should he win the nomination, Nikki! should absolutely be Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick
Stop laughing. I am serious. I am not being ironic. It makes sense. Hear me out.
Look at it from Donald Trump‘s perspective. She’s absolutely the person he should pick if he wins the nomination. I don’t like it. I don’t want it. But it’s a fact. She’s awful. She’s arrogant. She’s a squish. The thought of four years of that nattering nabob of nonsense – apologies to William Safire – is positively agonizing. But Donald Trump’s most important task is to get elected, and she would be the best choice to help him do it.
I hate writing that so much. But it’s true.
No, wait a minute, hasn’t Donald Trump slammed her? Not really. He’s been remarkably gentle with her, probably because he knows she’s his best choice. Even his nickname for her – the uncharacteristically unimaginative “Birdbrain” – is soft and spongy. I do need to point out, however, that in the week of her amazing “Anything but slavery” gaffe, it was pretty obvious that Trump needed to start calling her “Byrdbrain.” What a missed opportunity!
No, Donald Trump has been very nice to her. He’s reserved his fire for Ron DeSantis, a competent and effective conservative governor – in contrast to Nikki Haley – who provides real competition for the nomination, also in contrast to Nikki Haley. Everyone knows Nikki Haley‘s going to lose the nomination. Even Nikki Haley knows she’s going to lose. She’s been quite obviously running for vice president the entire time. She wants the gig. And there’s a lot that she brings to the table.
What does she bring to the table? Well, stupid people. There are a lot of people out there who think she’s a great politician and a great choice. I’m not one of them. If you’re reading this, I’m guessing you’re not one of them, but they are out there. Many don’t like Joe Biden, and many don’t like Donald Trump, but adding her to the ticket can win them over to the GOP. Winning the election is about addition, not subtraction. This isn’t the time to pick a favorite of the people he’s already got nailed down. Someone like Kari Lake or Vivek Ramaswamy is very popular with the Trump base, but Trump doesn’t need to win the Trump base because they are already the Trump base. They will fall in line, grumbling maybe, but fall in line they will. He has to expand the Trump base. I think Ron DeSantis would expand the base alone, but if he’s not on the ballot, Trump will need to expand beyond the Trump base. And Nikki Haley expands the Trump base. I don’t particularly dig the people she will bring in, but the point is to win, not to make people like me happy about how Trump does it.
It’s all about winning. Sigh.
He needs her to win over the doubters. For some reason, suburban women seem to like Nikki Haley. I don’t understand it, but the facts are the objective facts. Now, suburban women are the worst people in the universe, living proof that the 19th Amendment needs an asterisk to exclude anybody who prefers oaky Chardonnay. But there are many of these wine women, and they all vote. A good chunk of them will vote for a Republican ticket if it has Nikki Haley on it. Maybe it’s her girl power nonsense. Maybe it’s the fact that she looks like someone who tells you to use your inside voice. I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. She wins over people Trump couldn’t win over alone.
And she brings in the Establishment. No one hates the Establishment more than me. They are terrible people with an unbroken track record of failure. They brought us McCain, and they brought us Romney, and they are utterly incapable of analyzing why they lost or understanding the rise of Trump. But there are many of them, and they’ll stay home if it is Donald Trump and somebody like Donald Trump on the ticket. Nikki Haley appeals to them because she’s just the kind of decline management Republican they seem to adore, one who won’t take any hard positions that upset the folks down at the country club. It is better to have them on the inside of the tent than on the outside, peeing on it.
It’s not just that they will vote for her but that they will write her checks. She’s the donors’ gal because she’s the kind of pol the big donors love. Big Republican donors are mostly idiots. Their political instincts are awful, and they cannot learn from repeated mistakes. That’s why they love her. That and the fact that she’s willing to do whatever they want and adopt every dumb position they want, whether it’s allowing in endless hordes of illegal aliens, genuflecting at the altar of companies like Disney, or not making fellow swells upset by banning the mutilation of children. With her on the ticket, they will send money. Trump will need money because it’s all going to lawyers right now. And while I typically like lawyers being paid a lot of money, I also like the Republican Party having enough money to compete in the general election. Nikki Haley brings that to the table – the bottomless checkbooks of sucker GOP donors, and that’s not nothing.
But shouldn’t we worry that Nikki Haley will somehow have a big influence in a Trump 2.0 administration? Frankly, no, though I’m sure she imagines she will. I think it will look like four seasons of “Veep,” with Nikki Haley as a less amusing version of Selena Meyer, constantly asking if the president called and being told he has not. That brings us to another vital attribute of Nikki Haley. She’s not going to overshadow Trump. And she’s not going to have any influence. She can get in there and advocate for whatever dumb war she’s supporting this week or whatever idiotic social fetish she refuses to fight, and Trump is going to do whatever he wants. The only problem is if somehow Trump falls out and she falls into the Oval Office. But Trump’s pretty robust. He’ll certainly live through his term, if only for spite.
Now, the ultra-mega-MAGA Trump people properly detest Nikki Haley. I mean, they just despise her, which is to their credit. But they love Trump even more. Hell, he announced we ought to reward the fascist FBI with a spectacular new building, and they cheered as genius what last week they would (correctly) call treachery. So, if he picks Nikki Haley, they will all support it. They’re going to swallow it whole and applaud. You’ll have @FatMAGADeadbeatDad69 putting out reams of memes about how this is a brilliant 27-dimension chess move. A few people will ask, “What the hell are you thinking?” They won’t get a good answer and’ll still fall in line in November.
I will fall in line in November. I’m going to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. If the Republicans are intent on nominating Trump instead of a disciplined and effective governor who is not hated by 53% of voters and who has a really good chance of winning, I’m in. Would a Trump Haley ticket have a good chance of winning? I don’t think it would have a good chance of winning, but it would have a better chance than a Donald Trump/Anyone Else ticket.
If you think I’m happy about a situation where I think the Republican candidate would be cunning to pick Nikki Haley for any job not involving a mop and bucket, you are wrong. I’m not happy about this. I’m very, very sad. We still have a chance to avoid it by nominating DeSantis (who would pick Iowa’s Kim Reynolds for VP), but if we don’t avoid it, I don’t see a better pick for Trump in terms of winning the election as opposed to actually governing – fortunately, a vice president doesn’t actually govern. A vice president usually gets sent overseas to attend the funeral of Finland’s Secretary of Ennui and Reindeer Affairs. And standing there in the snow listening to the eulogy for some depressed Nordic elk wrangler seems like a great job for Nikki Haley.
Do I think Trump would pick her? I think Trump would do it in a heartbeat. After all, we all know his personnel selection track record, and he’s already picked Nikki Haley once for a big job.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2024/01/04/trump-totally-should-pick-nikki-haley-for-his-veep-n2633111
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Is this stupid or what?:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hezbollah-fires-rockets-israel-initial-083622283.html
I get it -
Only Trump can save the world.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/27/she-will-rue-this-day-haley-rushes-to-parrot-dem-talking-points-after-83-million-judgement-against-trump-1431482/?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get%20Response&utm_term=EMAIL
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https://www.oann.com/newsroom/hIn Very interesting the position she took in 2013
In light of her recent "gaff" in failing to say the civil war was about slavery, her 2013 comments are very interesting.
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https://www.oann.com/newsroom/hIn Very interesting the position she took in 2013
In light of her recent "gaff" in failing to say the civil war was about slavery, her 2013 comments are very interesting.
Bad link. Try this: https://www.oann.com/newsroom/haley-backtracks-comments-that-texas-can-secede-from-u-s/
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Thank you.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754609242953453954
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754609242953453954
Tell me that was AI generated. Please!
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I am so old I did not even think of that!
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"Nikki Haley Suffers Embarrassing Loss To ‘None Of These Candidates’ Option In Nevada Primary"
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Great Trump ad..sound on
https://twitter.com/i/status/1756702978285731936 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1756702978285731936)
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She just lost her home state by 20 points. In the delegate count that was 47-3.
She says she's staying in the race, committed to competing on Super Tuesday where the margins will be even larger.
She's reportedly getting her zillions from Trump hating Democrat sources.
Why is she doing this?
There are "sore loser" laws in some states that say a loser of the primaries can't just then go get on the ballot as an independent. Exception to that: "No Labels" is trying to get it's 'party' on the ballot nationwide and they want a divided ticket with a 'moderate' Republican at the top of the ticket in order to take more from trump than from Biden. Of course they want Nikki Haley, Haley-Manchin I presume.
There is no other way Nikki Haley will ever be President, so she is either considering this or already planning on it. Why else is she pressing forward after the humiliating losses. She lost in Nevada to "none of these candidates". Most candidates run out of money when they lose their home state 47-3, but she's loaded and running national ads.
So the 2-way race shaping up with Biden and Trump now looks to be a 6-way race? What a mess.
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I have seen it postulated that by staying in she is looking to be in a posture to pick up the pieces after Trump loses, saying "I told you so."
Does she have a point when she points to the quite substantial % of her voters who say they will not vote for Trump?
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"Does she have a point when she points to the quite substantial % of her voters who say they will not vote for Trump?"
Yet we have Trump who is being labelled gracious simply by not mentioning her name in his SC victory speech and tells us the party is united like "never before" [in the history of mankind]
Who has done little at least so far to reach beyond the Magas except for some small bones here and there.
I like many believe the polls with Trump ahead are a mirage.
I noticed Senator Thune came out to support Trump. Hopefully others will.
I think he was one of the Senators in waiting to replace McConnell.
Hopefully others will see the only source of light we are left with and follow that too.
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No, I don't think she will ever be the Republican nominee by becoming the anti Trump voice. She's not the second choice of Trump voters and she's not courting them. She's neutral on his court cases? Like a Democrat, hoping to benefit from rogue prosecutors attacking Trump, Alvin Bragg, Latitia, Fani?
She has many good qualities but taking Left money to attack Trump to try to weaken him in a primary race she can't win is very strange. It's not how you make Trump voters think they should have picked you
RCP columnist Frank Miele lays it out better than I can:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/02/24/the_curious_case_of_nikki_haley_150551.html#2
Haley will win no primaries and is bound (not bound?) by her promise to support the eventual nominee.
Nobody in the R party is talking about the future of Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney. Being the anti Trump wasn't the way forward in these divisive times. JMHO.
My prediction, the Haley-Manchin ticket will win zero states.
Either way, she will likely drop out after Super Tuesday.
DeSantis knew the shame of losing his home state and dropped out after winning (second place). Only Fritz Mondale has the honor of losing elections in all 50 states:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota#:~:text=Primary%20elections-,DFL,Franson%2093%25%20to%205%25.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election
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Perhaps to be Liz Cheney Lite? Something to aspire to if you want to be invited to the occasional proper Georgtown soiree, I guess.
Meanwhile back in bottomline land:
Koch-Backed Group Stops Spending on Nikki Haley Campaign
Republican presidential candidate, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley delivers remarks atBrandon Bell/Getty Images
PAUL BOIS25 Feb 2024726
Americans for Prosperity Action, a Koch-backed group, has reportedly halted spending on the Nikki Haley campaign following her loss to former President Donald Trump in the South Carolina primary.
Following Haley’s loss over the weekend, Americans for Prosperity CEO Emily Seidel said in an email to staff obtained by Politico that it will be taking “stock” of its spending priorities following Haley’s loss. The group will now reportedly focus on Senate and House races.
“[Haley] has made it clear that she will continue to fight and we wholeheartedly support her in this effort,” Seidel wrote. “But given the challenges in the primary states ahead, we don’t believe any outside group can make a material difference to widen her path to victory.”
Seidel further charged that former President Donald Trump’s candidacy will lead to Democrat Party rule for another four years.
“If Donald Trump is at the top of the Republican ticket, the risk of one-party rule by a Democratic Party captured by the Progressive Left is severe and would do irreparable damage to the country,” Seidel wrote Sunday. “The last three election cycles have painted a very clear picture of what we can expect from voters who consistently rejected Donald Trump and his impact on the Republican party brand.”
At least as of this writing, current polls show former President Trump leading President Joe Biden, whose approval rating stands at a low 38 percent and whose age has increasingly become a concern among voters.
Former President Donald Trump beat Haley in her home state of South Carolina by 20 points in the primary this past Saturday. While Haley did say she will keep up the fight, she has only committed to running through Super Tuesday on March 5.
“AFP Action had funded advertisements and field operations for months last year that were designed to persuade Republican voters to back someone other than Trump in the presidential primary,” noted Politico.
“But it wasn’t until late November that AFP Action tapped Haley as its desired Trump alternative. Since then, AFP has reached out to more than 3 million voters in early nominating and Super Tuesday states, as well as purchased millions of dollars worth of ads on Haley’s behalf,” it added.
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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/02/25/koch-backed-group-stop-spending-nikki-haley-campaign/
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Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine threw their support behind the former South Carolina governor just days ahead of Super Tuesday.
Polls show Collins support less than 50% :
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/susan-collins-polls-maine-senate/index.html
with McConnell out perhaps Murkowski support will weaken.
I don't know she would have won without hi.
however she just won in 22 so she is in till '28
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Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine threw their support behind the former South Carolina governor just days ahead of Super Tuesday.
Polls show Collins support less than 50% :
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/susan-collins-polls-maine-senate/index.html
with McConnell out perhaps Murkowski support will weaken.
I don't know she would have won without hi.
however she just won in 22 so she is in till '28
Kind of late in the game for that. Nikki lost the delegates in her home state 47-3 and they know it. Just showing their independence from Trump. Its a good reminder that we need to win the Senate 53-47 or better, or not go around calling it a win. They will drag their feet on any legislation that is not Democrat-Lite. Like McCain and the failure to repeal Obamacare when it was possible. Just out of ego.
Like Corker and Flake, Romney, most of those are gone.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/maine-primary-2024-expect-trump-100653396.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Apparently timing is related to this.
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In DC. How perfect.
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In DC. How perfect.
Yeah, living in the DC area various news sources are ballyhooing this outcome, rather than connecting dots like "hmm, in DC even people with great arguments or tangential associations with (Republican) political protests get convicted of crimes and is the only place Haley can win a primary. I wonder if these two things are associated...."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/haley-wins-republican-primary-washington-dc-rcna140421
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There was a time not long ago I liked her.
But then she never really made the case as Mark Levin would point out that the Republicans are really up against a counter revolution and not just some bad policies
Then that odd gaff when she could not answer , yes the Civil War was about slavery made me think twice about her trying to cut it both ways as an ex SC governor trying not offend Southerners.
The whole Southern CYA argument about the Civil War being about State's rights makes no sense since the State's rights they were fighting for was to be able to own and profit from human bondage.
Now, she has not made the case why Conservatives should vote for her other then Donald Trump is a problem. Now she cannot see the writing on the Great Wall of China and simply drop out and support Trump the obvious nominee.
She is now on my nerves and I don't think she has any future in politics. A shame because she does have talent and the drive for the game.
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Agree and well said.
Example of one of your points: When DeSantis was feuding with Disney she said "Well, we would welcome Disney here in South Carolina."
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I also agree she had great talent and potential, and all the necessary experience. Plus female and a hint of color. She has delivery good enough to be another Margaret Thatcher. But what was her cause, her fight, her mission? At one point it was to stop Vivek. Then to make sure we knew DeSantis is a liar. Now to stop Trump, who we all know IS the Republican nominee. From the delegate count in her home state, and New Hampshire, these times don't call for moderate measures.
Where she lost me mostly was to come out neutral in the deep state, lawfare war against Trump. If you can't see something wrong there, you aren't one of us and you aren't going to fix it.
Also she is a hawk on the war in Ukraine. I think that is a justifiable position, but it is not a unifying one (or a moderate one) . Half of Republicans are for and half are against supporting Ukraine. I imagine independents are even more skeptical. Both Trump and DeSantis were more nuanced. The Russia threat is real to me but several other things are far more immediate in their threat to our homeland. How about build the wall, secure the border, restrain the spending, stop the war on energy, end inflation, grow the economy, tear down the runaway deep state power, and restore the US dollar to world reserve status before we end up like Venezuela or Argentina? Didn't hear much about that. Just that chaos follows Donald Trump, and we should pick someone else. A Democrat talking point paid for with Democrat money.
"Chaos", the kind from 'Get Smart', attacked Donald Trump. For eight years. The real chaos, two wars, inflation and economic turmoil, skyrocketing debt and runaway government power is emenating from the Left's reckless policies. I didn't see her passionate about that.
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Agree.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-last-gop-rival-lands-new-gig-after-failed-2024-presidential-bid/ar-BB1lEwMO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=2a3bbe3a99644942a73daf80837d24bf&ei=20
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Nikki s way station till the next election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute
Will she at some point evolve and understand qs we have noted she needs an over riding theme.
And a nicer more controlled DJT approach amplifying his strengths and without his weaknesses.
If she can do that she can come back in the game.
BUT NOT if she is the same old same old .....
IMHO
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has her cushy think tank job now
got reportedly ~150,000 votes in Pa primary
stubborn ass won't come out and endorse Trump
what is that going to solve while our nation drains down an opened drain.?
she is definitely on my S list.
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She could have been top of the ticket on the 'No Labels" non-party. She declined because, my read, she would have lost and caused Trump and the Republicans to lose and it would have been career ending in the sense of wanting to be President. Being the first woman elected President is something for the history books.
Assuming she wants to be President in the worst way and that can only happen through the Republican party and she is committed to the Republican party having given up the only other path, the path runs through Trump.
My guess is she will jump on board and maybe wait for the latest, most dramatic moment to do that, likely in the convention keynote, a coveted spot she only gets if she comes through for him.
And if the above is correct, she will come through and come through big, why not make her VP? I hope he doesn't, but she might help him the most to win and he wants/needs to win.
Trump is strongly liked by 50-60% of the R party, that's only 25-30% of the electorate. Biden is weakly liked by a similar number. Other than ballot harvesting tricks, this election will be won either by 'reluctant' Trump voters or by Trump haters who don't like Biden but will vote to stop Trump.
As you say, Trump should be up by 10 or more but he isn't. Haley could tip that balance.
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Otherwise the VP slot is almost unsolvable. It should go to whoever would best follow Trump as President or nominee, whether he wins or loses. To me, that is DeSantis but he can't. If not Haley, the next in line from this race is Vivek who is not widely liked but could be a fireball on the campaign and would govern conservatively and smartly if the top job became his. I prefer Vivek but I also prefer winning.
The largest of the swing groups I think is white suburban women voters. Win them and you've won Minnesota. Win MN and you've won a landslide. Haley might be the best way to reach them, not Vivek, not Trump.
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I know moderates, 2020 Biden voters, who say they would vote Republican if the nominee was Haley, or someone like that. Putting her on the ticket puts them on the spot. It would still be a Trump Presidency. It would at least make them more tempted.
OTOH she came out as a hawk in general and on Ukraine in particular. Right now that seems to be the fight on the right, very unpopular with some. Her nomination would piss a number of people off. Wasn't she weak on illegal immigration as well? Does the far right vote Trump anyway? Yes but who needs that fight.
Definitely a conundrum.
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"Why not make her VP? , , , Otherwise the VP slot is almost unsolvable."
Given what has been said by each of them, it would make Trump look just another politician.
I would rather Vivek-- there is a tradition of VP candidates being the Presidential candidates' pitbull and he certainly can do that. Very articulate and capable of reframing the political debate on a wide range of issues.
Tim Scott is a plausible choice as well.