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Kessler: Dearth of tech IPOs may mask trouble
« Reply #1000 on: July 09, 2015, 04:49:40 PM »

A Dearth Of Tech IPOs May Mask Bubble Trouble
Only eight companies backed by venture capital have gone public in 2015. That’s a long way from last year’s 115.
By Andy Kessler
July 9, 2015 6:49 p.m. ET


The latest bubble chatter in the tech industry came from Fitbit, the maker of high-tech pedometers. Fitbit went public last month at a $4.1 billion valuation, and the stock price has more than doubled. Is a company that made $132 million in profit last year worth almost $9 billion? Major Silicon Valley players don’t think so. Sam Altman, who runs the startup accelerator Y Combinator, called the market last month a “mega bubble” that “won’t last forever.”

But since fewer startups seem willing to submit themselves to the disclosure and discipline of the public markets, how would we know? The Wall Street Journal’s Billion Dollar Startup Club shows 100 private companies valued at more than $1 billion. Yet this year there have been only eight venture-capital-backed initial public offerings compared with 115 in all of 2014.

Aside from Tesla and a few others, most of the hot companies with eyebrow-raising values are staying private. Uber is rumored to be raising $2 billion in funding for a valuation of $50 billion. Blue Apron, which ships three million meal kits a month to hungry millennials, has taken in $135 million at a $2 billion valuation. Food-delivery companies Instacart and Delivery Hero are worth a few billion each.

Yet none is going public. The delay can perhaps be blamed in part on Sarbanes-Oxley, a 2002 law that beefed up oversight and made it more expensive to be a public company. There’s also the 2012 JOBS Act, which increased the threshold for public reporting to 2,000 shareholders from 500. Whatever the causes, there is no longer a rush to go public if companies can raise sufficient private capital. “Now, after the IPO, it’s much worse,” Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma put it in June. “If I had another life, I would keep my company private.”

As a shareholder and a lifelong bubble watcher, I’m disturbed. Public markets enforce discipline on companies and push them to improve. Look at Facebook. In the first full quarter after its 2012 IPO, the company disappointed Wall Street with only 14% of revenue from mobile—phones, iPads and other portable devices. Now mobile accounts for 98% of Facebook’s ad growth and almost 70% of its revenue. Markets rule.

That discipline can be tough. After its December IPO, Lending Club missed earning expectations and fell to $14 a share from $28. The stock price of the craft-selling website Etsy has halved in the two months since the company went public. The online advertising company Rocket Fuel went public in September 2013 at $29, soared three weeks later to $65 and is now $7.

But with Uber at $50 billion, surely we’re in a bubble? Remember: A bubble is not created by high valuations. A bubble is a psychological phenomenon in which investors are tricked—by the company or themselves—into believing that a profit stream is sustainable when it really isn’t.

Case in point is the dot-com bust of the late 1990s. Many companies told me at the time that Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley would take them public as soon as they could strike a deal with AOL. So AOL would invest on the stipulation that the company buy pop-up ads on various sites within AOL. Thus AOL turned its cash into sales. The madness stopped when companies ran out of money and AOL ran out of companies.

In 1999, Microsoft invested $250 million in the online ailment manual WebMD in exchange for WebMD paying $30 a month for thousands of physicians for dial-up Internet via, you guessed it, Microsoft’s MSN. Amazon invested $30 million in Drugstore.com in exchange for Drugstore.com paying $105 million over three years for a branded tab on Amazon. It all looked good, but it couldn’t last. It is no different from Bear Stearns using its balance sheet to spike mortgage-backed securities from 2005-08.

Today’s startups aren’t passing money in circles like this yet, though I suspect it will happen. With so many private firms holding wads of cash, the ability to use their balance sheets to drive sales will be too tempting. But without the disclosures required of public firms, this logrolling may be hidden from view. As such, Silicon Valley tycoons shouldn’t get jitters over big numbers. A deluge of IPOs would be just the sunshine needed to sustain this much needed reordering of the global economy.

Mr. Kessler, a former hedge-fund manager, is the author of “Eat People” (Portfolio, 2011).

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1001 on: July 09, 2015, 05:46:58 PM »
It is almost like there has been some sort of fundamental change.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1003 on: July 10, 2015, 09:08:51 PM »
Reads to me like the bond holders pay the piper.

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"Retail Apocalypse" Just Beginning...
« Reply #1004 on: July 17, 2015, 08:33:22 AM »
I've been noting this for the past couple of years, as strip malls shut down and remain vacant.  Major retailers are shutting down stores, and the media is not reporting this, as they try to prop up consumer sentiment and give people the impression that everything is actually improving under this disastrous Obama economy.  You ain't seen NOTHING yet.  See below:


Major Chain Stores Shutting Down As America Faces “Birth Pangs Of Retail Apocalypse”
Wednesday, 15 July 2015   Mac Slavo

Reduced consumer spending is heralding a looming economic downturn, if not collapse, with an unprecedented shutdown of major box stores, restaurants and grocers underway.

It doesn’t bode well for the millions of Americans who are already seriously struggling, and will only accelerate the death of the middle class.

Along with this massive shrinkage of the retail sectors will go thousands of jobs. Natural Newsreports:

There is chatter across the web about dozens of major retail chains that are expected to permanently shutter a large number of their store locations this year. Popular names like Abercrombie & Fitch, Barnes & Noble, Chico’s, Children’s Place, Coach, Fresh & Easy, Gymboree, JCPenney, Macy’s, Office Depot, Pier One, Pep Boys, and many others are named as soon-to-be casualties in what some news sources are now referring to as the coming “retail apocalypse.”

The Economic Collapse Blog pins 2015 as a significant “turning point” for the U.S. economy, ominously warning that at least 6,000 retail store locations are expected to close this year based on company announcements. Many American consumers are already witnessing the birth pangs of this retail apocalypse as brick-and-mortar department, specialty, and even food shops close their doors for good.

The list of store closures (see here) is truly massive, and in no way accounts for everything that’s coming.

But Americans are still buying one major retail category — technological gadgets like iPhones, wearables, smart devices and computers. As technology purchases soar, shopping malls that have long specialized in clothing and fashion retail are falling in on themselves.

Business Insider calls it a slow and painful death, noting the collapse not only of thousands of stores from dozens of chains, but even the fall of giants like Gap:

Gap once ruled the retail world. But today America’s largest apparel retailer is closing a quarter of its stores and laying off hundreds of workers after disappointing sales.

Gap’s closures are indicative of a larger trend in American retail.

According to National Real Estate Investor, more retailers are planning to close, but are holding on for the end of the holiday shopping season:

After a tsunami of store closing announcements during the first half of the year, experts forecast that the remainder of 2015 will be relatively quiet as retailers focus on getting through the holiday season. However, retailers will continue to shutter stores throughout the year as leases expire.

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The most recent store closing data available reports that retailers and restaurateurs announced closings of more than 3,500 establishments totaling an estimated 19.9 million square feet, according to the U.S. Retail Real Estate Supply Conditions report from ICSC Research and PNC Real Estate Research. The planned 1,784 store closures announced after Radio Shack’s February Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing represented half of the total first-quarter tally.

And the tenants aren’t being replaced by new stores; the retail sector is just shrinking.Business Insider notes:

More than two dozen malls have shut down in the last four years and another 60 malls are on the brink of death, The New York Times reported, citing Green Street Advisors, a real-estate and real-estate investments trust analytics firm.

The elephant in the room in clearly online sales, with major sites like Amazon undercutting and dwarfing brick and mortar box stores.

And with online sales impacting on-the-ground retail, local jobs are destroyed as well. The future of retail will be more compacted, less physical and more out of reach for those with shrinking pocketbooks and dwindling means.




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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1005 on: July 17, 2015, 09:39:46 AM »
This is an interesting point.  I wish the piece discussed more the role of the internet in this process.


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Economic Reality Now Catching Up To Market Fantasy...
« Reply #1008 on: August 09, 2015, 08:13:11 PM »
Economic Reality Now Catching Up To Market Fantasy

Friday, 07 August 2015 04:49   Brandon Smith - www.alt-market.com


In the mind of a schizophrenic person, internal elements of fantasy (negative and positive) are made manifest in the psyche and projected out onto the real world. Often, the daydream images of the mind are not merely images to them. Rather, what they imagine subconsciously becomes reality. Their faculties of observation become so limited, either due to a reaction to trauma or merely an inherent inability to cope, that they cannot decipher between fact and fiction. A person could go on like this for quite some time if all his needs are provided for by someone else. But the moment that support ends (and it will), the realities of necessity, not to mention supply and demand, take hold. One cannot live in a schizophrenic world indefinitely.

The current global mishmash of interdependent and socialized economies are, at bottom, schizophrenic. Our markets are not based in any fundamental reality. There is very little tangible foundation left to stand on, and this has been the case for several years. Yet some people might argue that since the derivatives crash of 2008, most of the world has continued to walk on air and there is little for us to worry about.

The power of fantasy is that it is self-perpetuating. Fantasies are fueled most commonly by misplaced hopes and unhealthy or unrealistic desires, and such things are darkly and grotesquely energizing. Fantasies can indeed keep economies around the world functionally alive even when they are clinically dead. But again, there is always an end.

Equities and commodities markets in particular have levitated despite economic fact, making their eventual fall ever more spectacular. That fall has now begun halfway through 2015.

Let’s look at the cold hard truths of our current situation.

New signals of market crisis are generating every two to four weeks as we grind on into the third quarter. This is in stark contrast to the relatively predictable and "stable" market behavior of the past three years. I realize that we are experiencing a “slow boil” and that many people may not even be taking note of the exponential increase in negative economic signs, but really, think about it - at the beginning of 2014, what was the general financial sentiment compared to today?

Europe has just experienced the worst “near miss” yet with the Greek crisis, a crisis that is still not over and will likely end in chaos as the last-minute deal with the European Central Bank is derailed by International Monetary Fund intervention.

Keep in mind that Europe is overwhelmed with debt as peripheral countries border collapse and core nations like France float in a recessionary ether they refuse to openly acknowledge.

Asia is the biggest story right now, with Chinese markets in veritable free fall despite all attempts by the communist government to quell stock selling and shorting, to the point of threatening arrest and imprisonment for some net short sellers.

China’s Shanghai Stock Exchange has experienced a 30% drop in market value in a month's time. The mainstream argument meant to marginalize this fact is that less than 2% of China’s equities are owned by foreign investors; therefore, a crash there will not affect us here. This is, of course, pure idiocy.

China is the largest importer/exporter in the world; and it’s set to become the world’s largest economy within the next two years, surpassing the United States. China’s economy is a production economy, and the nation is a primary supplier for all consumer goods everywhere. Thus, China is a litmus test for the fiscal health of the rest of the world. When Chinese companies are struggling, when exporters are seeing steady overall declines and when manufacturing begins to crawl, this is not only a reflection of China’s economic instability, but also a reflection of the collapsing demand in every other nation that buys from China.

Collapsing demand means collapsing sales and collapsing market value. For a global economic system so dependent on ever growing consumption, this is a death knell.

In the U.S., markets have experienced a delayed reaction of sorts, due in great part to the Federal Reserve’s constant injections of fiat fantasy fuel since the credit crisis began. This kind of artificial support for markets has become an expected and essential part of market psychology, resulting in utter dependency on easy money siphoned into big banks that then use it to bolster equities through massive stock buybacks (among other methods). Now, however, quantitative easing has been tapered and zero interest-rate policy is nearing the chopping block.  The stock buyback scam is nearing an end.

Already, U.S. stocks are beginning to feel the pain as reality slowly nibbles away once dependable gains. There is a good reason for this - Wages are in constant decline; manufacturing is in steady decline; retail sales are in decline, and government and personal debts continue to rise. We are not immune to the financial chaos of other nations exactly because we have been railroaded into a highly interdependent global economic system. In fact, much international fiscal uncertainty is tied directly to the fall of the American consumer as a reliable cash cow and economic engine.

So where is this all headed?

Commodities tell part of the story, with oil sliding steadily, signaling what we in the alternative economic community have been saying for years: Fiat stimulus propped up markets (including energy markets) that should have been allowed to deflate long ago, and now we are suffering the consequences. Crude oil prices fell 19 percent in July alone as energy companies the world over scramble to adapt. Gold and silver have taken considerable hits to their paper value while physical purchases continue to skyrocket, meaning the street price of metals may soon decouple from illegitimate and manipulated market prices.

Smaller and some medium-sized economies will continue to “surprise” markets with volatile debt issues, like Puerto Rico (nearing possible default) and Venezuela (nearing certain doom). These are more canaries in the coal mine to watch carefully.

It is also important to keep in mind that prices on necessities including food and housing remain high despite deflation in other areas (like wages).  This suggests we are in the midst of a stagflationary fiscal environment.

Centralization is the key to every single economic development we’ve seen since the 2008 crash. Venezuela, in particular, is a marker for where we are all headed: total price controls, food confiscation from farms, rationing and even computer-chipped ration cards in order to thwart any attempts by citizens to stockpile essentials.  Do not assume that such draconian measures are limited to third world socialist hellholes.  Or, at the very least, do not assume that a country like the U.S. is not on the verge of becoming a third world hellhole.

As for Europe, French president Francois Hollande has openly called for a centralized “eurozone government” in order to deal with the ongoing economic crisis there (something I have been warning about for several years).  Supranational government is the endgame for sovereign humanity, and the EU is on the fast track.

In China, the march continues toward the inclusion of the yuan in the IMF’s SDR currency basket, the greatest economic centralization scheme of all time. The recent suggestion by an IMF panel to "delay" inclusion until 2016 only reinforces the likelihood that the Yuan will be entered into the basket.  If the IMF had no intention to bring China into the fold, they would have suggested a 5 year delay just as they did back in 2010.  For those who think China’s recent market crisis will somehow thwart their inclusion into the SDR, think again. The IMF has already announced that the market route in China will have no bearing on the SDR conference, which is set to end in November.

In the U.S., the markets wait for the Federal Reserve’s rate hikes. The rate hike issue is an underestimated one by some analysts, who seem to think that initial hikes will be "minor" and will result in little to no reverberations.  Interest rates affect more than just overnight bank lending; they are the primary pillar supporting current market psychology.  There is NO other financial element giving positive influence to investor psychology.  There is no good economic news out there to warrant the bull market of the past few years.  There is no open form of QE (and future QE seems unlikely as renewed stimulus would only be an admission that the first three attempts at QE failed miserably, derailing any point to new easing).  There is no recovery.  And when any even minor or engineered "good news" is presented in the mainstream, markets have reacted NEGATIVELY for fear that this will hasten higher interest rates.

Beyond psychology and false hopes, even minor increases in interest rates will essentially kill most large scale bank lending.  We know through the limited audit of the TARP bailouts that trillions in fiat was created simply to feed international banks and corporations through ZIRP and that this kind of free money lending has been a mainstay ever since.  ZIRP is the primary driver of stock buybacks and the equities bull market.  But this will only continue as long as the Fed loans remain free (or almost free).  Trillions in loans can equal billions in interest even with a minor rate rise, meaning, with the end of ZIRP and free money, banks and corporations will stop borrowing, stock buybacks will dissolve, and equities will lose the artificial support they have so far enjoyed.

Even mainstream financial news outlets are beginning to question why the Fed would push at all for rate hikes and pretend that the American fiscal system is in recovery, when ALL other information would lead the rational person to the contrary conclusion. I would point out that in order to understand central planners and globalist motives, you need to look at what they chase.

The Fed’s job is to destroy the U.S. economy and the dollar, not save them, which is why the Fed continues to deny economic turmoil and charges headlong into a rate hike scenario even though no one in the mainstream asked them to. The Chinese central bank’s job is to make all arrangements for Yuan inclusion in the SDR, despite the fact that China is supposedly in conflict with Western banks. The ECB and Europe are obsessed with centralized government even if they have to break several eggs to get it. And the IMF and Bank of International Settlements are set up to be the economic heroes of the day, warning us all (too late, of course) of the potential downfall of central bank stimulus policies and government debt obligations.

In a murky world of market fantasy, our first guideposts are the fundamentals themselves. Supply and demand can be misrepresented for a time through manipulated statistics, but the tangible effects of decline cannot be. Our secondary guideposts are the paths that internationalists and central banks bulldoze through the fiscal forest. To anyone with any sense, the endgame is clear: Total centralization is the goal, and economic fear is the tool they hope to use to get there. I have written on numerous solutions to this threat in past articles; but the first and most important action is for each of us to acknowledge, wholeheartedly, that the system we know is ending. It is over. What replaces that system will either be up to us or up to them. Only by admitting that there is an end to the fantasy, a painful end, will we then be able to help determine our future reality.


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Dow 5000?
« Reply #1009 on: August 23, 2015, 08:28:37 PM »

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1010 on: August 24, 2015, 10:39:09 AM »
[Dow was down another 1000 early today, then] ...   "U.S. stocks staged a dramatic recovery off their lows on Monday, helped by a turnaround in Apple's shares, but the three main indexes remained in or within spitting distance of correction territory amid fears China's growth is slowing." (Reuters)


But why would fears of China's growth slowing affect the US negatively?  It isn't like they are buying our products anyway.  Nor are they going to quit making their products cheaply for us.  In fact, the US customers get a purchasing power raise with the devaluation of Chinese currency.

The economic ties to China are more subtle.  A small piece of each of these DOW companies is their China business.  More importantly, if their exports are down, it tells us demand elsewhere around the world is down.  Who leads the global economy today?  No one knows. Maybe it's us, leading from behind.  If the US is still the leader, the direction can only be down or to stagnate. 

Equities prices are based on a multiple of growth - price/earnings x growth rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEG_ratio  Take away growth and earnings also disappear for most companies.  Take away earnings and growth and the price goes to zero.
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Another look at global demand down by looking at oil price analysis via Zerohedge:




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Wesbury: You guys are wrong 3.0
« Reply #1011 on: August 27, 2015, 10:24:48 AM »
Data Watch
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Real GDP was Revised to a 3.7% Annual Growth Rate in Q2 To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 8/27/2015

Real GDP was revised to a 3.7% annual growth rate in Q2 from a prior estimate of 2.3%, easily beating the consensus expected 3.2%.

The largest source of the upward revision was business investment, but all major categories were revised higher.

The largest positive contribution to the real GDP growth rate in Q2 was personal consumption, but almost all major components were up. The only negative component was business investment in equipment.

The GDP price index was revised up to a 2.1% annual rate of change from a prior estimate of 2.0%. Nominal GDP growth – real GDP plus inflation – was revised up to a 5.9% annual rate from a prior estimate of 4.4%.

Implications: If the Fed thinks the recent stock market correction makes the case for a September rate hike “less compelling”, then today’s GDP report should make it more compelling again. Real GDP is at an all-time record high. It already was before today’s upward revision, but it’s at a new high now after being revised to a 3.7% annualized growth rate in Q2 from an original estimate of 2.3%. Growth in Q2 beat even the highest estimate of all 79 economists who were surveyed. Nominal GDP (real growth plus inflation) snapped back at a 5.9% rate in Q2, is up 3.7% from a year ago and up at a 4.1% annual rate in the past two years. These figures continue to signal that a federal funds rate of essentially zero makes monetary policy too loose. We think the Fed should raise rates in September and still believe the Fed may pull the trigger on rate hikes as long as the stock market shows signs of recovery from the recent correction. All major categories for GDP were revised higher, with business investment leading the way. Business investment was originally reported down at a 0.6% annual rate but was revised to a growth rate of 3.2%. Also in today’s GDP report was our first glimpse at economy-wide corporate profits, which rose 2.4% in Q2 after falling 5.8% in Q1. These profits numbers are calculated by government statisticians and include “capital consumption and inventory valuation adjustments,” neither of which affect cash flow. In the past two quarters, the BEA capital consumption adjustment, which converts depreciation from historical cost to replacement cost, has subtracted massively from profits. Excluding these adjustments, corporate profits are at a record high, both on a pre-tax basis and after-tax. That’s the fuel which is going to keep the Plow Horse economy moving along despite the growth in the size of government. In other news this morning, new claims for jobless benefits declined 6,000 last week to 271,000. Continuing claims rose 13,000 to 2.27 million. Plugging these figures into our models suggests August payrolls are up about 195,000. The last piece of news reported this morning was a 0.5% gain in pending homes sales in July after a 1.7% decline in June. Pending home sales are contracts on existing homes and these figures suggest existing home sales, which are counted at closing may slip a little in August after surging almost 10% in the prior three months.

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Brandon Smith: Wesbury is Either Outright Lying, or Smoking Crack...
« Reply #1012 on: August 27, 2015, 10:57:12 AM »
Lies You Will Hear As The Economic Collapse Progresses

Thursday, 27 August 2015    Brandon Smith


It is undeniable; the final collapse triggers are upon us, triggers alternative economists have been warning about since the initial implosion of 2008. In the years since the derivatives disaster, there has been no end to the absurd and ludicrous propaganda coming out of mainstream financial outlets and as the situation in markets becomes worse, the propaganda will only increase. This might seem counter-intuitive to many. You would think that the more obvious the economic collapse becomes, the more alternative analysts will be vindicated and the more awake and aware the average person will be. Not necessarily...

In fact, the mainstream spin machine is going into high speed the more negative data is exposed and absorbed into the markets. If you know your history, then you know that this is a common tactic by the establishment elite to string the public along with false hopes so that they do not prepare or take alternative measures while the system crumbles around their ears. At the onset of the Great Depression the same strategies were used. Consider if you've heard similar quotes to these in the mainstream news over the past couple months:

John Maynard Keynes in 1927: “We will not have any more crashes in our time.”

H.H. Simmons, president of the New York Stock Exchange, Jan. 12, 1928: “I cannot help but raise a dissenting voice to statements that we are living in a fool’s paradise, and that prosperity in this country must necessarily diminish and recede in the near future.”

Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist, The New York Times, Sept. 5, 1929: “There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash.” And on 17, 1929: “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. I do not feel there will be soon if ever a 50 or 60 point break from present levels, such as (bears) have predicted. I expect to see the stock market a good deal higher within a few months.”

W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 30, 1929: “This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan… that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years.”

Harvard Economic Society, Nov. 10, 1929: “… a serious depression seems improbable; [we expect] recovery of business next spring, with further improvement in the fall.”

Here is the issue – as I have ALWAYS said, economic collapse is not a singular event, it is a process. The global economy has been in the process of collapse since 2008 and it never left that path. Those who were ignorant took government statistics at face value and the manipulated bull market as legitimate and refused to acknowledge the fundamentals. Now, with markets recently suffering one of the greatest freefalls since the 2008/2009 crash, they are witnessing the folly of their assumptions, but that does not mean they will accept them or apologize for them outright. If there is one lesson I have learned well during my time in the Liberty Movement, it is to never underestimate the power of normalcy bias.

There were plenty of “up days” in the markets during the Great Depression, and this kept the false dream of a quick recovery alive for a large percentage of the American population for many years. Expect numerous “stunning stock reversals” as the collapse of our era progresses, but always remember that it is the overall TREND that matters far more than any one positive or negative trading day (unless you open down 1000 points as we did on Monday), and even more important than the trends are the economic fundamentals.

The establishment has made every effort to hide the fundamentals from the public through far reaching misrepresentations of economic stats. However, the days of effective disinformation in terms of the financial system are coming to an end. As investors and the general public begin to absorb the reality that the global economy is indeed witnessing a vast crisis scenario and acknowledges real numbers over fraudulent numbers, the only recourse of central bankers and the governments they control is to convince the public that the crisis they are witnessing is not really a crisis. That is to say, the establishment will attempt to marginalize the collapse signals they can no longer hide as if such signals are of “minimal” importance.

Just as occurred during the onset of the Great Depression, the lies will be legion the closer we come to zero hour. Here are some of the lies you will likely hear as the collapse accelerates...

The Crisis Was Caused By Chinese Contagion

The hypocrisy inherent in this lie is truly astounding, to say the least, considering it is now being uttered by the same mainstream dirtbags who only months ago were claiming that China's financial turmoil and stock market upset were inconsequential and would have “little to no effect” on Western markets.

I specifically recall these hilarious quotes from Barbara Rockefeller in July:

“Something else that doesn’t matter much is the Chinese equity meltdown—again. China may be big and powerful, but it lacks a retail base and fund managers experienced in price variations, never mind a true rout...”

“Doom-and-gloom types have been saying for a long time that we will get a stock market rout when the Fed finally does move to raise rates. But as we wrote last week, history doesn’t bear out the thesis, not that you can really count on history when the sample size is one or two data points...”

Yes, that is a bit embarrassing. One or two data points? There have been many central bank interventions in history. When has ANY central bank or any government ever used stimulus to manipulate markets through fiat infusion and zero interest fueled stock buybacks or given government the ability to monetize its own debt, and actually been successful in the endeavor? When has addicting markets to stimulus like a heroin dealer ever led to “recovery”? When has this kind of behavior ever NOT created massive fiscal bubbles, a steady degradation of the host society, or outright calamity?

Suddenly, according to the MSM, China's economy does affect us. Not only that, but China is to blame for all the ills of the globally interdependent economic structure. And, the mere mention that the Fed might delay the end of near zero interest rates in September by a Federal Reserve stooge recently sent markets up 600 points after a week-long bloodbath; meaning, the potential for any interest rate increase no mater how small also has wider implications for markets.

The truth is, the crash in global stocks which will undoubtedly continue over the next several months despite any delays on ZIRP by the Fed is a product of universal decay in fiscal infrastructure. Nearly every single nation on this planet, every sovereign economy, has allowed central and international banks to poison every aspect of their respective systems with debt and manipulation. This is not a “contagion” problem, it is a systemic problem to every economy across the world.

China's crash matters not because it is causing all other economies to crash. It matters because China is the largest importer/exporter in the world and it is a litmus test for the financial health of every other country. If China is failing, it means we are not consuming, and if we are not consuming, then we must be broke. China's crash portends our own far worse economic conditions. THAT is why western markets have been crumbling along with China's despite the assumptions of the mainstream.

China's Rate Cuts Will Stop The Crash

No they won't. China has cut rates five times since last November and this has done nothing to stem the tide of their market collapse. I'm not sure why anyone would think that a new rate cut would accomplish anything besides perhaps a brief respite from the continuing avalanche.

It's Not A Crash, It's Just The End Of A “Market Cycle”

This is the most ignorant non-explanation I think I have ever heard. There is no such thing as a “market cycle” when your markets are supported partially or fully by fiat manipulation. Our market is in no way a free market, thus, it cannot behave like a free market, and thus, it is a stunted market with no identifiable cycles.

Swings in markets of up to 5%-6% to the downside or upside (sometimes both in a single day) are not part of a normal cycle. They are a sign of cancerous volatility that comes from an economy on the brink of disaster.

The last few years have been seemingly endless market bliss in which any idiot day trader could not go wrong as long as he “bought the dip” while Fed monetary intervention stayed the course. This is also not normal, even in the so-called “new normal”. Yes, the current equities turmoil is an inevitable result of manipulated markets, false statistics, and misplaced hopes, but it is indeed a tangible crash in the making. It is in no way an example of a predictable and non-threatening “market cycle”, and the fact that mainstream talking heads and the people who parrot them had absolutely no clue it was coming is only further evidence of this.

The Fed Will Never Raise Rates

Don't count on it. Public statements by globalist entities like the IMF on China, for example, have argued that their current crisis is merely part of the “new normal”; a future in which stagnant growth and reduced living standards is the way things are supposed to be. I expect the Fed will use the same exact argument to support the end of zero interest rates in the U.S., claiming that the decline of American wealth and living standards is a natural part of the new economic world order we are entering.

That's right, mark my words, one day soon the Fed, the IMF, the BIS and others will attempt to convince the American people that the erosion of the economy and the loss of world reserve status is actually a “good thing”. They will claim that a strong dollar is the cause of all our economic pain and that a loss in value is necessary. In the meantime they will, of course, downplay the tragedies that will result as the shift toward dollar devaluation smashes down on the heads of the populace.

A rate hike may not occur in September. In fact, as I predicted in my last article, the Fed is already hinting at a delay in order to boost markets, or at least slow down the current carnage to a more manageable level. But, they WILL raise rates in the near term, likely before the end of this year after a few high tension meetings in which the financial world will sit anxiously waiting for the word on high. Why would they raise rates? Some people just don't seem to grasp the fact that the job of the Federal Reserve is to destroy the American economic system, not protect it. Once you understand this dynamic then everything the central bank does makes perfect sense.

A rate increase will occur exactly because that is what is needed to further destabilize U.S. market psychology to make way for the “great economic reset” that the IMF and Christine Lagarde are so fond of promoting. Beyond this, many people seem to be forgetting that ZIRP is still operating, yet, volatility is trending negative anyway. Remember when everyone was ready to put on their 'Dow 20,000' hat, certain in the omnipotence of central bank stimulus and QE infinity? Yeah...clearly that was a pipe dream.

ZIRP has run it's course. It is no longer feeding the markets as it once did and the fundamentals are too obvious to deny.

The globalists at the Bank for International Settlements in spring openly deemed the existence of low interest rate policies a potential trigger for crisis. Their statements correlate with the BIS tendency to “predict” terrible market events they helped to create while at the same time misrepresenting the reasons behind them.

The point is, ZIRP has done the job it was meant to do. There is no longer any reason for the Fed to leave it in place.

Get Ready For QE4

Again, don't count on it. Or at the very least, don't expect renewed QE to have any lasting effect on the market if it is initiated.

There is truly no point to the launch of a fourth QE program, but do expect that the Fed will plant the possibility in the media every once in a while to mislead investors. First, the Fed knows that it would be an open admission that the last three QE's were an utter failure, and while their job is to dismantle the U.S. economy, I don't think they are looking to take immediate blame for the whole mess. QE4 would be as much a disaster as the ECB's last stimulus program was in Europe, not to mention the past several stimulus actions by the PBOC in China. I'll say it one more time – fiat stimulus has a shelf life, and that shelf life is over for the entire globe. The days of artificially supported markets are nearly done and they are never coming back again.

I see little advantage for the Fed to bring QE4 into the picture. If the goal is to derail the dollar, that action is already well underway as the IMF carefully sets the stage for the Yuan to enter the SDR global currency basket next year, threatening the dollar's world reserve status. China also continues to dump hundreds of billions in U.S. treasuries inevitably leading to a rush to a dump of treasuries by other nations. The dollar is a dead currency walking, and the Fed won't even have to print Weimar Germany-style in order to kill it.

It's Not As Bad As It Seems

Yes, it is exactly as bad as it seems if not worse. When the Dow can open 1000 points down on a Monday and China can lose all of its gains for 2015 in the span of a few weeks despite institutionalized stimulus measures lasting years, then something is very wrong. This is not a “hiccup”. This is not a correction which has already hit bottom. This is only the beginning of the end.

Stocks are not a predictive indicator. They do not follow positive or negative fundamentals. Stocks do not crash before or during the development of an ailing economy. Stocks crash after the economy has already gone comatose. Stocks crash when the system is no longer salvageable. Since 2008, nothing in the global financial structure has been salvaged and now the central banking edifice is either unable or unwilling (I believe both) to supply the tools to allow us even to pretend that it can be salvaged. We're going to feel the hurt now, all while the establishment tells us the whole thing is in our heads.
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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1013 on: August 27, 2015, 11:29:06 AM »
I will reflect upon this.

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Re: Wesbury: You guys are wrong 3.0
« Reply #1014 on: August 27, 2015, 12:37:43 PM »
Real GDP was Revised to a 3.7% Annual Growth Rate in Q2 To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist

Real GDP was revised to a 3.7% annual growth rate in Q2 from a prior estimate of 2.3%...

FYI to our friend BW.  Aberrant quarterly GDP growth does not get "annualized" when the other quarters were zero or negative.


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« Reply #1016 on: August 28, 2015, 07:11:03 AM »
Interesting.

This can be read in various ways, from alarming to encouraging.

Off the top of my head, making the case for encouraging it could be argued that without moving US rates, China lessens future leverage over the US.  Arguably China is peeing into the winds of reality here and that, as usually is the case, government interventions cannot command the vastness of currency markets.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1019 on: September 01, 2015, 10:38:24 AM »
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The ISM Manufacturing Index Declined to 51.1 in August To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 9/1/2015

The ISM manufacturing index declined to 51.1 in August, coming in below the consensus expected level of 52.5. (Levels higher than 50 signal expansion; levels below 50 signal contraction.)
The major measures of activity were mostly lower in August, but all stand above 50. The new orders index fell to 51.7 from 56.5, while the production index moved lower to 53.6 from 56.0. The employment index slipped to 51.2 from 52.7. The supplier deliveries index rose to 50.7 from 48.9.
The prices paid index declined to 39.0 in August from 44.0 in July.

Implications: First things first. Yes, today’s report from the ISM showed the lowest reading for the headline index going back to 2013, but it is important to remember that the index measures the pace of expansion and contraction. Levels above 50 represent expansion, so while August’s reading of 51.1 is lower than July’s reading of 52.7, that does not mean that activity has declined, but that it continues to expand at a slightly slower pace than in recent months. It’s hard to draw many conclusions from the report, other than that the economy continues to grow at a moderate pace. The overall index has now remained above 50 (levels higher than 50 signal expansion) for 32 consecutive months. In addition, each of the major measures of activity showed expansion in August. The new orders index, the most forward looking measure, declined to 51.7 in August from 56.5 in July. This measure accelerated for each of the previous four months, and a temporary slowdown in the pace of growth is nothing to worry about. The production index followed new orders lower, declining to 53.6 from 56.0. In other words, the two key areas of the report focused on actual production took a breather in August, but still show signs of continued growth. With new orders continuing to expand, expect sustained strength in production in the months ahead. While the overall index remains below the peak of 58.1 seen in August 2014, we don’t believe this is anything to worry about. Remember that the economy was unusually strong in the summer of last year as it recovered from bad weather in the first quarter of 2014. The employment index fell in August to 51.2, representing continued growth in hiring, but at a slower pace than in recent months. Combined with recent data on initial and continuing claims, we estimate that jobs expanded by 196,000 in August. On the inflation front, the prices paid index declined to 39.0 in August from 44.0 in July, as falling prices for crude oil and raw metals helped push prices lower for fourteen of the eighteen industries reporting. The prices paid index has now shown contraction in prices for ten consecutive months. Taken as a whole, this month’s ISM report, with modest expansion across the major measures of activity, signals continued plow-horse growth in the months ahead. In other news this morning, construction increased 0.7% in July, while construction was also revised up substantially for June. The gain in July was led by private single family home construction as well as manufacturing facilities.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1021 on: September 02, 2015, 12:08:53 PM »
Anyone could predict this. Even me.

Sell, Sell, Sell............
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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1022 on: September 03, 2015, 10:20:31 AM »
The ISM Non-Manufacturing Index Declined to 59.0 in August To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 9/3/2015

The ISM non-manufacturing index declined to 59.0 in August from 60.3, coming in above the consensus expected 58.2. (Levels above 50 signal expansion; levels below 50 signal contraction.)
The major measures of activity were all lower in August, but most remain well above 50, signaling expansion. The employment index fell to 56.0 from 59.6 while the business activity index declined to 63.9 from 64.9. The supplier deliveries activity index moved lower to 52.5 from 53.0, and the new orders index slipped to 63.4 from 63.8.
The prices paid index declined to 50.8 in August from 53.7 in July.

Implications: This morning’s ISM services report for August could be reported as a slowdown from July, or, it could be reported as the second highest reading for the index going back to 2005. These indices are hard to read because we believe sentiment plays a role in the answers to survey questions, but it is clear that the services sector, which is much larger than the manufacturing sector, continues to show strength. Through the first eight months of the year, service sector activity is stronger than it was in the same period a year ago, while August’s reading also represents a 67th consecutive month of expansion. Of the eighteen industries reporting, fifteen showed growth in August, while only one, mining (which includes oil and gas extraction), reported contraction - two industries reported no change. The business activity index, which has a stronger correlation with economic growth than the overall index, fell to a still robust 63.9, while the new orders index, the most forward looking measure of service sector activity moved lower to 63.4. Expect activity to remain strong over the coming months as companies move to fill the steady flow of new orders coming in. Both the business activity and new orders indexes showed acceleration from the first quarter to the second (coming off the bitter winter and West Coast port strikes), and the growth trend has continued through the first two months of Q3. The employment index fell in August to a still respectable 56.0, as declines led by mining more than offset rising employment in the majority of the reporting industries. On the inflation front, the prices paid index dipped in August to 50.8, led lower by (you guessed it) mining. As a whole, today’s report suggests continued growth in the months ahead and an uptick in activity for the second half of 2015.

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Wesbury is a comedian
« Reply #1023 on: September 03, 2015, 02:33:05 PM »
"The ISM non-manufacturing index declined to 59.0 in August from 60.3, coming in above the consensus expected 58.2. (Levels above 50 signal expansion; levels below 50 signal contraction.)
The major measures of activity *were all lower* in August, *but* most remain well above 50, signaling expansion.

Implications: This morning’s ISM services report for August could be reported as a slowdown from July, or, it could be reported as the second highest reading for the index going back to 2005. These indices are hard to read because we believe sentiment plays a role in the answers to survey questions, but it is clear that the services sector, which is much larger than the manufacturing sector, continues to show strength.

Great more McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts, and Chiplotes.

Got to love the mumbo jumbo from this guy.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1025 on: September 04, 2015, 10:33:34 AM »
Thread Nazi says "Please post in Money thread".  :-D

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1026 on: September 04, 2015, 11:15:27 AM »
Nonfarm Payrolls Increased 173,000 in August To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 9/4/2015

Nonfarm payrolls increased 173,000 in August, below the consensus expected 217,000. Including revisions to prior months, nonfarm payrolls increased 217,000.

Private sector payrolls increased 140,000 in August, while June and July were revised up a combined 5,000. The largest gains were for health & social assistance (+56,000), professional & business services (+33,000, including temps), and restaurants & bars (+26,000). Manufacturing payrolls fell 17,000 while government rose 33,000.
The unemployment rate fell to 5.1% from 5.3%.

Average hourly earnings – cash earnings, excluding tips, commissions, bonuses, and fringe benefits – rose 0.3% in August and are up 2.2% versus a year ago.

Implications: Even by the loose standards of the monetary doves, the Federal Reserve should start raising interest rates this month. The unemployment rate fell to 5.1% in August, the lowest since early 2008 and right in the middle of the range the Fed believes is the long-term average. Some doves have argued that due to the deep recession the Fed should use loose money to temporarily push the jobless rate below the long-term average. But, with the current stance of policy, the unemployment rate is down a full percentage point from a year ago. It takes time for changes in policy to affect the economy, so even if the Fed starts raising rates today, the momentum from loose policy so far means the jobless rate is already set to dive well below the long-term average. Today’s employment report showed continued improvement in the labor market. At 173,000, payroll growth came in a little short of consensus expectations. But the first report for August is usually revised up substantially. Remember August 2011, when the initial report was zero growth in payrolls? Two months later it was revised up to 104,000. This August was the 66th month in a row with growth in private payrolls, the longest streak since at least the late 1930s. Civilian employment, an alternative measure of jobs that includes small-business start-ups, increased 196,000 this August. Meanwhile, the total number of hours worked rose 0.4% in August and is up 2.7% from a year ago. Combined with wages per hour up 2.2% from a year ago, workers’ total cash earnings are up 4.9%. No wonder auto sales are booming, hitting the highest level since 2005. Also, notice again the deafening silence from those who used to bemoan the rise in part-time jobs. Part-time employment is down 765,000 in the past year even as total jobs are up. However, all the good news doesn’t mean everything is right. The participation rate remained at 62.6% in August, tying the lowest level since 1977. Three key factors are holding down participation: aging Boomers, easily available disability benefits, and overly generous student aid. The bottom line is that the economy in general and labor market in particular would be doing better with a better set of policies, like lower tax rates, less government spending, and lighter regulation. That’s why we have a Plow Horse economy rather than a Race Horse economy. It’s not the boom of the 1980s or 1990s – not even close – but it continues to move forward.

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U.S. Unemployment Rate is an Obscene Farce...
« Reply #1027 on: September 04, 2015, 11:23:40 AM »
Wesbury takes the reported 5.1% U.S. "unemployment rate" at face value.  I repeat: The man is either an idiot or a liar.  There are 93 MILLION AMERICANS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE WORK FORCE.  THAT IS PRACTICALLY 50% OF THIS NATION'S WORKING-AGE POPULATION.  WHAT PART OF THIS DOES WESBURY AND OTHERS WHO ACCEPT THIS FIGURE AS CREDIBLE NOT UNDERSTAND???
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« Reply #1028 on: September 04, 2015, 12:04:38 PM »
Also, the Employment Rate counts a person holding two or three jobs as three people being employed. How many people do you know that hold two or more jobs? I know plenty, and they are all in the Service Industries.

Also, how about the fact that many companies are now going with Part Time Employees under 30 hours to avoid Obamacare. That means to counter the difference from 40 to 30 hours, the company must hire more Part Time Employees.

And on this note, remember when 40 hours was full time but now it is 30?  30 counts as Full Time Employment. 

Let's just change the measuring stick to make things look better. Sort of like the Women Clothing Manufactures who changed the standard for size on dresses. Make a size 12 down to a 10.  Now the women can claim they are 10's.

BTW, the Fed cannot raise rates. Doing so:

1. Increases rates on millions of Lines of Equity, making payments higher and causing more defaults.

2. Increases rates on Adjustable Rate 1st mortgages, making payments higher and causing more defaults.

3. Make housing less affordable which will reduce home sales, and which will ultimately lead to falling home values.

4. Drives up consumer rates and payments.

5. Student loans.

6. Cause the equity markets to puke.

Does the Fed want to drive up rates which will cause all the problems I cite, as well as other problems?  The Fed is stuck. They cannot do anything because if they do, it harms the economy, what is left of it.

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« Reply #1029 on: September 05, 2015, 12:00:06 PM »
Apart from his comments on the unemployment rate at the end of this entry (he fails to discuss the numbers who have given up looking for work), as usual Scott makes numerous points worth considering.

http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-problem-is-lack-of-productivity.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FtMBeq+%28Calafia+Beach+Pundit%29

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Prediction: This will irk several of you LOL
« Reply #1031 on: September 08, 2015, 05:50:38 PM »
Monday Morning Outlook
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Everything's Not Bad To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 9/8/2015

Have you noticed? Everything’s bad these days. On February 25, 2015, the Washington Post wonkblog posted a piece titled “Why rising wages might be bad news.”
Last week, on September 1st, after another strong month of car and truck sales, the Wall Street Journal published a story “The Bad News in Strong Car Sales.”
Back in January 2014, when the dollar was weak, Zerohedge.com published a piece titled “The Slow (But Inevitable) Demise Of The Dollar.” Buy gold!

Now that the dollar is strong, the US is in a deadly currency war. On July 28, 2015, cnn.com published a piece titled “Watch Out: Strong U.S. dollar could trigger currency crisis.” Sell everything!

Television is even worse, but combing through hours of tape to find those nuggets of really bad analysis, we already know are there every day, seems like a waste of time.
We are tempted to argue that bad news sells, so the bigger the explosion, the more flame or flying metal a story has, the more viewers tune in. But, it goes deeper than that.

First off, our political leadership – on both sides of the aisle – use economic fear in an attempt to win votes.

The Right argues that as long as Barack Obama is president, nothing good can happen. Ask them about the stock market and they say it’s just a sugar high caused by the Fed. Ask them about 66 consecutive months of private-sector job growth and they argue all the jobs are part-time (not true) or that the labor force isn’t growing. Vote for us and this nightmare will end.

The left argues that bad economic news is because George Bush let his bankers destroy the country and we need more government spending and redistribution (more Democrat policies) to fix things.

Second, ever since the trauma of 2008, investors have had a bad case of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Every drop in the market, every weak economic report, every analyst with a doom and gloom story, no matter how unlikely, creates a visceral reaction of fear, loathing, fight, or flight.

Third, there are so many outlets for thought these days that every voice and every opinion has an outlet. C’mon…rising wages and strong car sales are bad?

All of this makes the “fog of war” look like a picture window. There is more bad economics, bad math and bad information masquerading as analysis these days than we have seen at any time in the past 30 years.

Talking heads look into the TV screen and say things like; “China is collapsing.” But the reality is that Chinese real GDP is still growing somewhere between 4% and 6% per year. Yes, the Chinese stock market has fallen sharply in recent months, but the Shanghai Composite stock index is only down 2% year-to-date and is still up 36.3% from 12 months ago.

After last Friday’s jobs report – yep, the one that reported 173,000 new jobs in August and a 5.1% unemployment rate –some analysts expressed the idea that, “the US job market is falling apart.” Give us a break. Historically, August is the month with the most upward revisions and payrolls in June and July were revised up a total of 44,000. Over the past 12 months, total non-farm payrolls have climbed an average of 243,300 per month, better than any twelve-month period in the prior expansion in 2001-07.
Another line we heard last Friday was, “wages were up only a TINY 0.3% in August!” But, 0.3% in one month is 3.7% annualized growth! Even if inflation were running at 2%, anyone complaining about what is naturally a small gain in one month is misusing mathematics.

We aren’t saying that you should only listen to First Trust Economics…we think listening to only one argument is a mistake. What we are saying is “be careful,” try to use some common sense and turn your nonsense filters on high.

For example, Greece has the GDP of Detroit, how could it possibly take the world down? China is the #2 economy in the world, but so was Japan back in the late 1980s. Entrepreneurs create growth, not politicians or the Fed. Janet Yellen doesn’t frack wells or write Apps and a 0.5% federal funds rate won’t slowdown Apple. Everything’s Not Really So Bad.

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Re: Prediction: This will irk several of you LOL
« Reply #1032 on: September 10, 2015, 09:56:44 AM »
   - Yes, irked.

"Everything's Not Bad" (Wesbury)

   - Straw, like Obamna.  The argument isn't that everything is bad.  You have to make that up to defeat it.  Yes, the AMerican economy is amazingly resilient under the circumstances.  With key elections coming up every 2, 4 and 6 years, there is still hope that we turn this around, survive and prosper.

"First off, our political leadership – on both sides of the aisle – use economic fear in an attempt to win votes."

   - Back to BW, both sides aren't the same.  There ought to be some RATIONAL fear that the current course isn't working.

"We aren’t saying that you should only listen to First Trust..."

   - A significant point of agreement!


Question for BW:  If EVERYTHING is okay, why has the Fed maintained pretend stimulative zero or near zero, artificially low interest rates for a period of time that is now going on TWO DECADES?!  Are your saying the Fed doesn't have access to the best and most detailed economic information on every sector possible?  Are you kidding?  They do and the picture they are seeing isn't pretty.

What BW's Rosy Scenario has established is that the indices of already entrenched companies have mostly gone up until now while 'stimulated' growth is near zero, the median is stuck and entrepreneurial activity, the lifeblood of the economy, along with the worker participation rate are all collapsing.  

94 MILLION PEOPLE - and growing - are now planning to NEVER WORK AGAIN.  That is almost as many that pull the wagon working full time in the private sector.  Assuming no change in policies, what could possibly go wrong, going forward?
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Re: Grannis: Bad news, good news
« Reply #1035 on: September 20, 2015, 07:58:17 AM »
http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2015/09/good-news-trumps-bad-news.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FtMBeq+%28Calafia+Beach+Pundit%29

From the link:

The bad news: this is the weakest recovery ever; the labor force participation rate has been falling for 15 years; productivity growth is dismally low; our national debt is at a post-war high of 72% of GDP; race relations have deteriorated; tax and regulatory burdens are suffocating the private sector; savers and retirees have been severely penalized by seven years of near-zero interest rates; the rule of law has been weakened by the emergence of the Imperial Presidency; crony capitalism (a euphemism for corruption in government) is rampant; the tax code is a nightmare; and transfer payments are at record-high levels that correspond to 20% of personal income and over 70% of federal spending.


Powerful stuff.  The so-called good news can only be taken in the context of the above.  In other words, we can say all we want about the great re-arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic, but not honestly without also mentioning the iceberg.

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Scott answers our Doug
« Reply #1036 on: September 21, 2015, 09:02:47 AM »
I asked Scott for his response.  Here it is:

"The first step to fixing the debt is to fix the deficit. We’ve done that. If current trends persist, the burden of debt (debt/GDP) will decline. At 72% currently, the debt is big but not an existential threat. It’s also important to remember that it’s not debt that is the problem, it’s spending. Spending is inevitably paid for by taxation. Spending saps the economy’s productivity, squanders resources, and feeds corruption. Get spending under control and the existing debt becomes irrelevant on the margin. We have made great progress in that direction. Things may deteriorate in the future, but for now there is genuine progress and reason to be hopeful."

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Re: Scott answers our Doug
« Reply #1037 on: September 24, 2015, 06:10:24 AM »
I asked Scott for his response.  Here it is:

"The first step to fixing the debt is to fix the deficit. We’ve done that. If current trends persist, the burden of debt (debt/GDP) will decline. At 72% currently, the debt is big but not an existential threat. It’s also important to remember that it’s not debt that is the problem, it’s spending. Spending is inevitably paid for by taxation. Spending saps the economy’s productivity, squanders resources, and feeds corruption. Get spending under control and the existing debt becomes irrelevant on the margin. We have made great progress in that direction. Things may deteriorate in the future, but for now there is genuine progress and reason to be hopeful."

We didn't fix the deficit as I understand it because a) with Obamacare the deficit was scheduled to go back up, and b) with the sequester, defense spending is putting us in a readiness deficit that will cost $2 (a concession on social spending) for every $1 of defense restoration. c) Tax rates are at unsustainably high levels. CBO rules are not fully dynamic.  Significant tax rate cuts will require further spending cuts. d) entitlement disaster, e) unfunded liabilities partly within the above. f) Workforce participation rate not just worst ever but still declining, f) the birth dearth. g) The coming rise of interest rates applied to our massive debt.

Our fiscal house is still a complete mess. IMHO.

Scott is obviously correct on spending  but existing debt does not become irrelevant on the margin when you apply 20 trillion to a doubling, tripling or more of interest rates.  Instead it is existing debt that makes future budget balancing impossible.

I will be hopeful AFTER power and political direction changes in Washington.  Even then I am skeptical.

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« Reply #1038 on: September 24, 2015, 06:46:05 AM »
The capacity for human denial in the face of obvious evidence everywhere one turns never ceases to astonish me.
Shades of Jews in Europe circa 1938 insisting that despite the Nazis clear targeting of them, "The Germans won't do anything to hurt us - we're too important to the economy."  We know how that turned out...
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« Reply #1039 on: September 24, 2015, 09:42:53 AM »
Doug,

Agree with you that the deficit has not been fixed. Just because it has dropped does not mean that it will continue to drop, especially with a recession, increase in interest rates, or most important, DC remaining in the control of the Uni-Party.

Debt is absolutely a concern. Debt has increased over $8t in the last 8 years, and will continue to rise, especially so as rates increase in the future. I find that those who cite that debt is only a proportion of the GDP are deluding themselves.  (This does not include state debts which is even more devastating.)

If the illegals are given amnesty, then they become eligible for all the welfare and other government support systems available which will drive up costs. Add Obamacare and the problems increase even more.

The problem is spending, but there is no current will in DC to stop the spending, or even reduce it. Oct 1, the beginning of the new budgetary year, is 8 days away and there is no budget ready for the 8th year in a row. Why? Because neither side wants to introduce a budget that will reveal just how bad things are. Instead they introduce continuing budget resolutions to fund the government to hide the real budget.

To really show how bad it is, when/if the budget results in a "shut down" of only unnecessary employees, the laid off employees are guaranteed to receive "back pay" for all the missed days. Guess they don't want to raise the ire of the government unions.

Of course, if it gets bad, the government will just print more money..............

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« Reply #1040 on: September 25, 2015, 06:38:34 PM »
Politics, monetary policy, the economy, and financial markets; everywhere you look things are changing.

The Fed held off on raising rates last week, and the markets weren’t sure how to react. Employment has been strong and inflation is in check, but a third (and unofficial) objective, market volatility, caused the Fed not to act.

Thankfully, Fed Chair Yellen’s speech yesterday suggests rates will rise before year end. It’s about time. A 0.25% rate hike won’t make the Fed tight, just less loose.

Meanwhile, news broke this morning that House Speaker Boehner will resign from Congress at the end of next month. This makes a government shutdown more likely, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Finally, GDP was revised higher to 3.9% for Q2 and, more importantly for the markets, corporate cash flows continue to climb.

With these corrections in place, the equity markets look set to hit all-time highs.

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Central Banks Engineering Collapse...
« Reply #1041 on: September 25, 2015, 07:09:04 PM »
The Worst Part Is Central Bankers Know Exactly What They Are Doing

Wednesday, 23 September 2015 Brandon Smith


The best position for a tyrant or tyrants to be in, at least while consolidating power, is tyranny by proxy. That is to say, the most dangerous tyrants are those the people do not recognize: the tyrants who hide behind scarecrows and puppets and faceless organizations. The worst position for the common citizen to be in is a false sense of security and understanding, operating on the assumption that tyrants do not exist or that potential tyrants are really just greedy fools acting independently from one another.

Sadly, there are a great many people today who hold naïve notions that our sociopolitical dynamic is driven by random chaos, greed and fear. I’m sorry to say that this is simply not so, and anyone who believes such nonsense is doomed to be victimized by the tides of history over and over again.

There is nothing random or coincidental about our political systems or economic structures. There are no isolated tyrants and high-level criminals functioning solely on greed and ignorance. And while there is certainly chaos, this chaos is invariably engineered, not accidental. These crisis events are created by people who often refer to themselves as “globalists” or “internationalists,” and their goals are rather obvious and sometimes openly admitted: at the top of their list is the complete centralization of government and economic power that is then ACCEPTED by the people as preferable. They hope to attain this goal primarily through the exploitation of puppet politicians around the world as well as the use of pervasive banking institutions as weapons of mass fiscal destruction.

Their strategic history is awash in wars and financial disasters, and not because they are incompetent. They are evil, not stupid.

By extension, perhaps the most dangerous lie circulating today is that central banks are chaotic operations run by intellectual idiots who have no clue what they are doing. This is nonsense. While the ideological cultism of elitism and globalism is ignorant and monstrous at its core, these people function rather successfully through highly organized collusion. Their principles are subhuman, but their strategies are invasive and intelligent.

That’s right; there is a conspiracy afoot, and this conspiracy requires created destruction as cover and concealment. Central banks and the private bankers who run them work together regardless of national affiliations to achieve certain objectives, and they all serve a greater agenda. If you would like to learn more about the details behind what motivates globalists, at least in the financial sense, read my article 'The Economic Endgame Explained.'

Many people, including insiders, have written extensively about central banks and their true intentions to centralize and rule the masses through manipulation, if not direct political domination. I think Carroll Quigley, Council on Foreign Relations insider and mentor to Bill Clinton, presents the reality of our situation quite clearly in his book “Tragedy And Hope”:

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank … sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

This "world system of financial control" that Quigley speaks of has not yet been achieved, but the globalists have been working tirelessly towards such a goal.  The plan for a single global currency system and a single global economic authority is outlined rather blatantly in an article published in the Rothschild owned 'The Economist' entitled 'Get Ready For A Global Currency By 2018'.  This article was written in 1988, and much of the process of globalization it describes is already well underway.  It is a plan that is at least decades in the making.  Again, it is foolhardy to assume central banks and international bankers are a bunch of clumsy Mr. Magoos unwittingly driving our economy off a cliff; they know EXACTLY what they are doing.

Being the clever tyrants that they are, the members of the central banking cult hope you are too stupid or too biased to grasp the concept of conspiracy. They prefer that you see them as bumbling idiots, as children who found their father’s shotgun or who like to play with matches because in your assumptions and underestimations they find safety. If you cannot identify the agenda, you can do nothing to interfere with the agenda.

I have found that the false notion of central bank impotence is growing in popularity lately, certainly in light of the recent Fed decision to delay an interest rate hike in September. With that particular event in mind, let’s explore what is really going on and why the central banks are far more dangerous and deliberate than people are giving them credit for.

The argument that the Federal Reserve is now “between a rock and a hard place” keeps popping up in alternative media circles lately, but I find this depiction to be inaccurate. It presumes that the Federal Reserve "wants"  to save the U.S. economy or at least wants to maintain our status quo as the “golden goose.” This is not the case.  America is not the golden goose.  In truth, the Fed is exactly where it wants to be; and it is the American people who are trapped economically rather than the bankers.

Take, for instance, the original Fed push for the taper of quantitative easing; why did the Fed pursue this in the first place? QE and zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) are the two pillars holding up U.S. equities markets and U.S. bonds. No one in the mainstream was demanding that the Fed enact taper measures. And when the Fed more publicly introduced the potential for such measures in the fall of 2013, no one believed it would actually follow through. Why? Because removing a primary support pillar from under the “golden goose” seemed incomprehensible to them.

In September of that year, I argued that the Fed would indeed taper QE. And, in my article “Is The Fed Ready To Cut America’s Fiat Life Support?” I gave my reasons why. In short, I felt the Fed was preparing for the final collapse of our economic system and the taper acted as a kind of control valve, making a path for the next leg down without immediate destabilization. I also argued that all stimulus measures have a shelf life, and the shelf life for all QE and ZIRP is quickly coming to an end. They no longer serve a purpose except to marginally slow the collapse of certain sectors, so the Fed is systematically dismantling them.

I received numerous emails, some civil and some hostile, as to why I was crazy to think the Fed would ever end QE. I knew the taper would be instituted because I was willing to accept the real motivation of central banks, which is to undermine and destroy economies within a particular time frame, not secure economies or kick the can indefinitely. In light of this, the taper made sense. One great pillar is gone, and now only ZIRP remains.

After a couple of meetings and preplanned delays, the Fed did indeed follow through with the taper in December of that year. In response, energy markets essentially imploded and stocks became steadily more volatile over the course of 2014, leading to a near 10% drop in early fall followed by foreign QE efforts and false hints of QE4 by Fed officials as central banks slowed the crisis to an easier to manage pace while easing the investment world into the idea of reduced stimulus policies and reduced living standards; what some call the "new normal".

I have held that the Fed is likely following the same exact model with ZIRP, delaying through the fall only to remove the final pillar in December.

For now, the Fed is being portrayed as incompetent with markets behaving erratically as investors lose faith in their high priests. This is exactly what the bankers that control the Fed prefer. Better to be seen as incompetent than to be seen as deliberately insidious. And who knows, maybe a convenient disaster event in the meantime such as a terrorist attack or war (Syria) could be used to draw attention away from the bankers completely.

Strangely, Bloomberg seems to agree (at least in part) with my view that the taper model is being copied for use in the rate hike theater and that a hike is coming in December.

Meanwhile, some Federal Reserve officials once again insinuate that a hike will be implemented by the end of the year while others hint at the opposite.

Other mainstream sources are stating the contrary, with Pimco arguing that there will be no Fed rate hike until 2016.  Of course, Pimco made a similar claim back in 2013 against any chance of a QE taper.  They were wrong, or, they were deliberately misleading investors.

Goldman Sachs is also redrafting their predictions and indicating that a Fed rate hike will not come until mid-2016. With evidence indicating that Goldman Sachs holds considerable influence over Fed policy (such as exposed private meetings on policy between Fed officials and banking CEO's), one might argue that whatever they “predict” for the rate hike will ultimately happen. However, I would point out that if Goldman Sachs is indeed on the inside of Fed policy making, then they are often prone to lying about it or hiding it.

During the taper fiasco in 2013, Goldman Sachs first claimed that the Fed would taper in September. They lost billions of dollars on bad currency bets as the Fed delayed.

Then, Goldman Sachs argued that there would be no taper in December of that year; and they were proven to be wrong (or disingenuous) once again.

Today, with the interest rate fiasco, Goldman Sachs claimed a Fed rate hike would likely take place in September. They were wrong. Now, once again, they are claiming no rate hike until next year.

Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

How could an elitist-run bank with proven inside connections to the Federal Reserve be so wrong so often about Fed policy changes? Well, losing a billion dollars here and there is not a very big deal to Goldman Sachs. I believe they are far more interested in misleading investors and keeping the public off guard, and are willing to sacrifice some nominal profits in the process. Remember, these are the same guys who conned nations like Greece into buying toxic derivatives that Goldman was simultaneously betting against!

The relationship between international banks like Goldman Sachs and central banks like the Federal Reserve is best summed up in yet another Carroll Quigley quote from “Tragedy And Hope”:

"It must not be felt that these heads of the world’s chief central banks were themselves substantive powers in world finance. They were not. Rather, they were the technicians and agents of the dominant investment bankers of their own countries, who had raised them up and were perfectly capable of throwing them down. The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers (also called “international” or “merchant” bankers) who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks."

Goldman Sachs and other major banks act in concert with the Fed (or even dictate Fed actions) in conditioning public psychology as much as they manipulate finance. First and foremost, globalists require confusion. Confusion is power.  What better way to confuse and mislead the investment world than to place bad bets on Fed policy changes?

Heading into the end of 2015, we are only going to be faced with ever mounting mixed messages and confusion from the mainstream media, international banks and central banks. It is important to always remember, though, that this is by design. A common motto of the elite is “order out of chaos,” or “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Think critically about why the Fed has chosen to push forward with earth-shaking policy changes this year that no one asked for. What does it have to gain? And realize that if the real goal of the Fed is instability, then it has much to gain through its recent and seemingly insane actions.

 
"You have enemies?  Good.  That means that you have stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1043 on: September 27, 2015, 09:53:29 AM »
Wesbury's prediction is about the MARKET.

GM's posted charts are about the REAL WORLD.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1044 on: September 28, 2015, 02:05:41 PM »
Personal Income Increased 0.3% in August To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 9/28/2015

Personal income increased 0.3% in August and rose 0.4% including revisions to prior months. The consensus expected a gain of 0.4%. Personal consumption increased 0.4% in August (0.7% including revisions to prior months), beating consensus expectations of 0.3%. Personal income is up 4.2% in the past year, while spending is up 3.5%.

Disposable personal income (income after taxes) increased 0.4% in August, and is up 3.6% from a year ago. The gain in August was led by private sector wages & salaries. Most other categories saw small gains in August.

The overall PCE deflator (consumer prices) was unchanged in August and is up 0.3% versus a year ago. The “core” PCE deflator, which excludes food and energy, rose 0.1% in August and is up 1.3% in the past year.

After adjusting for inflation, “real” consumption rose 0.4% in August (0.7% including revisions to prior months) and is up 3.2% from a year ago.

Implications: Incomes and spending continued to move higher in August, led again by strong growth in wages & salaries. Payrolls are up almost three million from a year ago, helping push private-sector wages & salaries up a robust 4.1% in the past year. Total income – which also includes rents, small business income, dividends, interest, and government transfer payments – increased 0.3% in August and is up 4.2% in the past year, faster than the 3.5% gain in consumer spending. In other words, recent gains in consumer spending have been driven by higher incomes, not consumers getting into potential financial trouble with too much debt. The only real negative news in today’s report was the failure to make any progress against government redistribution. Although unemployment compensation is hovering around the lowest levels since 2007, overall government transfers to persons are up 4.5% in the past year, largely driven by Obamacare. Before the Panic of 2008, government transfers – Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, disability, welfare, food stamps, and unemployment comp – were roughly 14% of income. In early 2010, they peaked at 18.5%. Now they’re around 17%, but not falling any further. Redistribution hurts growth because it shifts resources away from productive ventures. This is why we have a Plow Horse economy instead of a Race Horse economy. The PCE deflator, the Fed’s favorite measure of inflation, was unchanged in August. Although it’s only up 0.3% from a year ago, it continues to be held down by falling energy prices. The “core” PCE deflator, which excludes food and energy, is up 1.3% from a year ago. That’s still below the Fed’s 2% inflation target, but it’s up a faster 1.6% annualized rate in the past six months. As soon as energy prices stop falling, inflation is going to pick up, supporting the case for starting rate hikes before year-end. In other news today, pending home sales, which are contracts on existing homes, declined 1.4% in August after rising in July. Our models project that existing home sales, which are counted at closing, should rise slightly in September.

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1045 on: October 02, 2015, 05:18:02 PM »

Sorry that I am not much on the Investment Side. But this makes sense.  Yes Doug, my sick humor again.

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Wesbury: You guys are wrong 4.0
« Reply #1047 on: October 05, 2015, 11:19:59 AM »
The Bull Market Still Lives To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist
Robert Stein, Deputy Chief Economist
Date: 10/5/2015

Stock market corrections (usually defined as 10% pullbacks) are hard to understand. Often they happen in the midst of long-term bull markets. But why? Is it like getting the flu? Is it just emotion? Or, are corrections a necessary cleansing out of excess optimism? Our answer: we don't really know.

One thing we do know is that almost every time they happen, pessimists come out of the woodwork saying that a Bear Market has begun. In the past seven years, this has happened a number of times, but each time, the market has bounced back to new highs. Think about 2011, when the S&P 500 fell by 19.4% from April 29th to October 3rd. Even with the recent decline, the market is up 77.5% since then. We think the 2015 correction is no different and expect stocks to move to new highs.
There’s no real definition of a bear market, or a bull market, for that matter. Most pundits use the rule-of-thumb that a bear market is a 20% drop from a prior peak. However, in 1962 this happened in the midst of a long running rise in stock prices that went on until 1966. So, we don't really know what to call that!

That still leaves several other 20% market declines in 1957, 1970, 1973-74, 1980, 1981-82, 1990, 2000-02, and 2007-09. But each of these was correlated with recession and a recession anytime soon is extremely unlikely.

Monetary policy is loose and will remain that way even when the Federal Reserve starts raising interest rates (still later this year, in our view). We wish marginal tax rates were lower, but they’re not high by historical standards. Trade policy continues to move, at least gradually, in a direction of lower barriers to international trade. The federal government could certainly find ways to spend less and reform entitlements, but government is not growing as quickly as it did in the prior decade.


Moreover, financial firms are better capitalized than they’ve been for years, corporate balance sheets are loaded with cash, and households’ financial obligations are hovering near the smallest share of after-tax income since the early 1980s. Meanwhile, as much as home building has revived the past few years, it still has further to go. This is just not a recipe for recession.

There were two other "bear" markets that didn’t accompany a recession. One was in 1966, during the long economic expansion of the 1960s. The other was in 1987, with the famous and short-lived Crash in October that year.

But the 1966 decline in stocks followed the "Great Society" legislation, and inflation was ramping up. And 1987 was a fluke. In addition, our capitalized profits models – what we use to estimate fair value for equities – would have said both times that equities were overvalued before those bear markets started. By contrast, the same model is now saying equities are still undervalued.

The model uses after-tax corporate profits discounted by the 10-year Treasury yield. Partly because profits have risen so much but mostly because the 10-year Treasury yield is artificially low, this model still suggests that the S&P 500 is massively undervalued. Using a 10-year Treasury yield of 2%, the model says the “fair value” of the S&P 500 is 4,850.

But this number is artificially high because the discount rate is being held down by the Fed. Using a 4% 10-year discount rate gives us a “fair value” 2,425, leaving plenty of room for equities to rebound from the recent correction and move much higher. Assuming zero growth in profits, the 10-year yield would have to rise to about 5% to signal that equities are fairly priced right now.

None of this means equities have to hit new highs this week, or even this month. It does suggest that fears about a bear market are way overblown. We see no reason for a recession on the horizon, and equities still look cheap.

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Re: Wesbury: Somebody is wrong.
« Reply #1048 on: October 07, 2015, 07:12:49 AM »
"The Bull Market Still Lives
Brian S. Wesbury,
...That still leaves several other 20% market declines in 1957, 1970, 1973-74, 1980, 1981-82, 1990, 2000-02, and 2007-09. But each of these was correlated with recession and a recession anytime soon is extremely unlikely.
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We see no reason for a recession on the horizon..."

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(WSJ Oct 3, 2015): 
It’s certainly hard to find much good news in the September numbers. Employers added 142,00 net new jobs, but only 118,000 in the private economy. Payrolls were revised lower by 59,000 for July and August, for a monthly average of only 167,000 in the third quarter. That’s down from a monthly average of 198,000 for all of 2015 so far, which is down from 260,000 a month in 2014.

Worse, the labor participation rate—a key measure of labor market health—fell to 62.4%, the lowest rate since 1977, when the economy was still recovering from the rough mid-1970s recession. Some 350,000 Americans left the labor force in September...
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More people are leaving the workforce than taking new jobs by a ratio of 3:1 in the year after Obamacare kicked in.  Who could have possibly predicted this??

Wesbury is looking at these same numbers:  118,000 new jobs created while 350,000 left the workforce (in one month) is the new normal.  China is in possible freefall, Europe with zero growth is under invasion, the Middle East is headed into world war. 

What could possibly go wrong?

The good news according to Wesbury is that stocks look cheap.  Back up the truck...

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Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies
« Reply #1049 on: October 07, 2015, 07:44:47 AM »
" 118,000 new jobs created"

Statistically all taken by people not born here.

Hey so what that is good for all of us!  :-P

Yet the politicians seem to not really be concerned  because it is all about love and dreams.

We the citizens are selfish ass holes and all those from elsewhere are saints.