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Crafty_Dog

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #200 on: January 09, 2024, 08:00:35 AM »
Trump, and the rest of the West, utterly failed to speak out when China broke its word to Hong Kong (and by so doing, to the British as well).

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Taiwan's vote
« Reply #201 on: January 15, 2024, 09:06:56 AM »

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Re: Taiwan's vote
« Reply #202 on: January 15, 2024, 01:49:09 PM »
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20302/taiwan-voters


Excellent.  Someone should call out this "reunification" bullsh*t.  Taiwan, as I understand it, was never ruled by this totalitarian regime.  Elect democracies on both sides of the Straits first and then discuss a consensual merger.  It should take a super majority on both sides to change the status quo.

And remember Hong Kong.  War crime describes what happened better than 'two systems'.


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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #204 on: January 22, 2024, 12:56:27 PM »
I agree with the articles quoted criticisms of Trump on this.

Inconsistent for sure.

" In an interview with NBC News from September, Trump took a similar stance on the issue, stating that he would not say what his position on the matter would be, but also stated that sending U.S. troops to Taiwan would not be "off the table."

There is nothing I dislike more then those who state an option (usually military) is 'not off the table'

If this does not show weakness I don't know what does.

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #205 on: January 22, 2024, 02:08:38 PM »
Not with you in this case.

IMHO sometimes, here for example, strategic ambiguity has its merit.

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Gaming Taiwan defends against China
« Reply #207 on: February 27, 2024, 05:26:43 AM »

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #208 on: March 07, 2024, 07:59:00 AM »
(7) CHINA’S HARSH WORDS ON TAIWANESE INDEPENDENCE: At the annual National People’s Congress of China, President Xi Jinping and Foreign Affairs Minister Wang Yi played “the carrot and the stick” narrative tactic for Taiwan.

“Whoever promotes Taiwan's independence will be liquidated by history. Anyone in the international community who supports Taiwan independence and plays with fire will get burned and suffer the consequences," Wang Yi said.

Why It Matters: This message of choosing the peaceful route or the warlike route will resonate with Taiwan. Strengthening anti-independence forces likely means promoting Kuomintang and Taiwan People’s Party members to reaffirm the 1992 Consensus, preventing an independence declaration. There are very few pro-unification forces in Taiwan, but China’s shaping operations could promote them into power as it seeks to degrade the U.S.-led international order. - J.V.

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« Reply #209 on: April 10, 2024, 11:17:36 AM »


(5) XI: NO ONE CAN STOP TAIWAN REUNIFICATION: Chinese President Xi Jinping told former Taiwanese president Ma Ying-jeou that no outside force could stop the reunification of Taiwan with mainland China.

“External interference cannot stop the historical trend of reunion of the country and family,” Xi said, according to Taiwanese media.

Why It Matters: Xi is likely correct that no one will stop reunification with Taiwan. I remain doubtful that the United States will militarily intervene in the defense of Taiwan, which is likely to meet the same fate as Hong Kong. The U.S. strategy appears to be delaying Chinese action on Taiwan until semiconductor manufacturing can begin in the United States. Meanwhile, the U.S. aims to enable Taiwan to defend itself from and resist a potential military invasion. China almost certainly prefers reunification through means beneath the threshold of conventional war. – M.S.


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FO: Japan showing more balls on Taiwan than Biden
« Reply #211 on: May 10, 2024, 07:48:31 AM »
(8) JAPAN TO PROVOKE CHINA ON TAIWAN BEFORE TRILATERAL SUMMIT: Japan announced it is sending a 30-man delegation, the largest they’ve ever sent, to Taiwan’s presidential inauguration on 20 May.

The delegation intends to meet the incoming president, vice president, and speaker, but the government has not finalized the arrangement.

Citing a 2006 declaration by former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe that “A contingency for Taiwan is a contingency for Japan,” China’s foreign ministry is already declaring this to be a move toward an independence declaration with foreign support.

Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen also awarded the Order of the Brilliant Star yesterday to China’s most recent Ambassador from Japan, Hideo Tarumi, for his contributions to Taiwan’s development as a nation.

Why It Matters: Japan is sending a message to Taiwan and China that they recognize Taiwan as already independent. This is likely to undermine the China-Japan-South Korea Head of State summit, which has not been held for five years and is planned for 26 May in South Korea. Additionally, the Chinese Coast Guard could be ordered to be more aggressive on their 365-day patrol around the Senkakus this year. – J.V.

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #212 on: May 25, 2024, 06:17:06 AM »

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Re: Taiwan was never ever part of China
« Reply #214 on: Today at 06:21:51 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNGBH3qKHg&t=3s


I watched, listened, and was blown away by the argument it seems we've never heard.  I wish I knew the credibility of the expert, it seems he is a professor from Australia who has done extensive research on the subject.  His point seems so obvious I wonder what the other side of the argument is.

My (layman) argument has been, the communists, the PRC, the PLA, have never ruled the island of Taiwan.  His argument is that Taiwan was never part of China, was never under rule by mainland China.

If true, the Communist Chinese argument would be these people should be under our rule (because we defeated them on the mainland), therefore we are the 'rightful' government of the island.  A very specious argument.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan 
Wikipedia (with hundreds of sources listed) says the Dutch settlement (who controlled only part of the island) were defeated in 1662 by a Chinese general who was defeated in 1683 by the Qing Dynasty (China), but this only refers to parts of the island, not all.  (And that is a shorter period than the current democratic era.) And then it was under Japanese control from 1895 through to WWII.
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The video then argues that the Chinese who migrated to Taiwan over time are Taiwanese over time, not Chinese, particularly after democratization in 1988.  A big part of the Taiwanese culture today is the value and tradition of democracy, and other freedoms not practiced in China.

What I don't fully understand is why the US (both parties for all these years) and the world play along with Communist Chinese propaganda.  One China Policy?  Why?  I have said "reunite" only after democratization on the mainland, and both sides vote.  But 'reunite' is a false flag if China and Taiwan never were one.

If everything that was once under China rule under one dynasty or another is rightfully Chinese, what about Vladivostok, Russia?  Should we help defend that?

In any case, it looks to me that under China's logic, Japan has a stronger claim to Taiwan than China does.  That claim was lost in WWII, just like any brief Qing dynasty claim was lost centuries ago.

If the argument is that (many of) the people are or once were ethnically Chinese, what about Singapore?  What about Malaysia?  What about Britain France and Spain's claims (and many others) to the US?

What about 'indigenous peoples' claims.  Do we all owe our land back to them?

Someone should talk to the Chinese about consent of the governed.
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