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Politics & Religion / Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Last post by DougMacG on Today at 08:15:36 AM »
They face pressure in deliberations from each other, but jurors also have to live with their verdict.  Which result is easiest to say forever, 'hey that was the right decision'?

Speaking of living with the decision, the politics of the spouse (of the juror and of politicians in general) is underestimated in these things.  "YOU VOTED TO ACQUIT HIM??!!"

You can hate Trump, want him to lose and never be President and still vote not to convict if that's what you see.  There are liberal commentators who have doubts about this feeble case.  Democrats can see that the persecution strategy is not been working to put him down. In fact it has helped him.

For both sides of it, can you (each juror) explain in a sentence or two why he is guilty or why the prosecution didn't fully make the case? It looks like he maybe had sex with a porn star lady doesn't do that.  Proving crime tied to an underlying, proven beyond a reasonable doubt crime, did credible testimony do that?  Pretty easy to say no.  It hinged on the word of a convicted liar and no underlying crime was really pinpointed.

Can and will 1, 2 or 3 of them who don't fully buy it hold out and stand their ground to the end? You would think yes but other political jury verdicts in NY and DC indicate no.  The (hate) politics of it will prevail is the betting line, I believe.

And then we have a "convicted felon" at the top of the ticket, even if overturned, like they wanted all along, and everyone will have their own opinion, like the OJ verdict - in reverse.

'Republicans don't accept election results. They don't even accept jury verdicts.'
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Politics & Religion / Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Last post by ccp on Today at 07:49:58 AM »
"Two lawyers on the jury.  Will they or someone else have sway on the rest?"

In an honest justice system one would think they would exonerate DJT.
The fact they are lawyers (most are crats) AND NY lawyers (most NY residents are crats)
makes me think they will vote against Trump.

Megan Kelly's opinion , FWIW is that the fix is surely in and she predicts the jury will GET Trump.
I don't know.

We only need one juror to vote for DJT
Can anyone imagine the pressure on that one juror.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/05/22/washington-post-will-lewis-subscriptions/

The Washington Post lost $77 million last year - in large part because publisher Will Lewis announced that the paper’s readership has fallen by 50% in four years.

Sorry, subscription required to view the article.    :wink:
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Closing arguments today and maybe into tomorrow. Instructions to the jury, and then jury deliberation.  What will happen next?

Jury was not sequestered during the trial. Jury was not allowed to hear in court a legal expert tell how ridiculous this theory is. Did they find that viewpoint on their own elsewhere, when they weren't supposed to be looking?  Two lawyers on the jury.  Will they or someone else have sway on the rest?  In which direction? Will TDS prevail or will this come down to very specific legal requirements of the alleged series of crimes, knowledge and intent?  Will we the country get to hear the defense closing argument? Presumably yes on that, through the lawyers, won't everyone be free to talk once the verdict is in?

What will the verdict be? What will happen next if it is a hung jury?  What happens next if found guilty?  Incarceration while awaiting appeal??  They want the handcuff photo, but what point is overreach at this point?  Seems impossible he will be found not guilty, but that would be monumental in the fight against deep state and lawfare persecution.

Apparently there is a fast path to appeal.  This could go all the way to the US Supreme Court - before the election. What do they think of all this? Defective instructions to jurors and defective rulings all the way through is grounds for that. It takes just a certain number to want to hear the case.

But being overruled by a so-called Trump Supreme Court is not full political vindication of a jury verdict, certainly not to Democrats.  Just as a Manhattan jury verdict is not conclusive proof of a crime to Republicans.

What a strange political year. Speaking of politics, how long does the judge have to wait to make this year's contribution to Biden and the Democrat Party?
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Did the jury read this?  Did ONE of them read this or anything not in line with the prosecution and judge? 
https://nypost.com/2024/05/27/opinion/heres-why-the-case-against-trump-should-end-in-not-guilty/
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Politics & Religion / Re: Taiwan was never ever part of China
« Last post by DougMacG on Today at 06:21:51 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNGBH3qKHg&t=3s


I watched, listened, and was blown away by the argument it seems we've never heard.  I wish I knew the credibility of the expert, it seems he is a professor from Australia who has done extensive research on the subject.  His point seems so obvious I wonder what the other side of the argument is.

My (layman) argument has been, the communists, the PRC, the PLA, have never ruled the island of Taiwan.  His argument is that Taiwan was never part of China, was never under rule by mainland China.

If true, the Communist Chinese argument would be these people should be under our rule (because we defeated them on the mainland), therefore we are the 'rightful' government of the island.  A very specious argument.
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Looking for other sources...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan 
Wikipedia (with hundreds of sources listed) says the Dutch settlement (who controlled only part of the island) were defeated in 1662 by a Chinese general who was defeated in 1683 by the Qing Dynasty (China), but this only refers to parts of the island, not all.  (And that is a shorter period than the current democratic era.) And then it was under Japanese control from 1895 through to WWII.
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The video then argues that the Chinese who migrated to Taiwan over time are Taiwanese over time, not Chinese, particularly after democratization in 1988.  A big part of the Taiwanese culture today is the value and tradition of democracy, and other freedoms not practiced in China.

What I don't fully understand is why the US (both parties for all these years) and the world play along with Communist Chinese propaganda.  One China Policy?  Why?  I have said "reunite" only after democratization on the mainland, and both sides vote.  But 'reunite' is a false flag if China and Taiwan never were one.

If everything that was once under China rule under one dynasty or another is rightfully Chinese, what about Vladivostok, Russia?  Should we help defend that?

In any case, it looks to me that under China's logic, Japan has a stronger claim to Taiwan than China does.  That claim was lost in WWII, just like any brief Qing dynasty claim was lost centuries ago.

If the argument is that (many of) the people are or once were ethnically Chinese, what about Singapore?  What about Malaysia?  What about Britain France and Spain's claims (and many others) to the US?

What about 'indigenous peoples' claims.  Do we all owe our land back to them?

Someone should talk to the Chinese about consent of the governed.
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Politics & Religion / ATF Kills Another American Among Other Issues
« Last post by Body-by-Guinness on May 27, 2024, 08:53:42 PM »
Congressional hearing where various ATF unconstitutional decisions are outlined, one leading to the death of an otherwise law abiding citizen during a pre-dawn raid, a citizens that likely would have turned himself in for his alleged crime if given a chance to do so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgS2OGLuILE
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Politics & Religion / Re: What to Expect After a Trump Win, Schlicter
« Last post by Body-by-Guinness on May 27, 2024, 07:42:36 PM »
I like Schlicter and have the same reservations about referring others to him.  But I don't understand discussing a 'win' without figuring what happens in the House and Senate as well.  Plus some of the electoral reforms need to come from the state legislatures.

If Trump alone wins, it won't be much of a win.  Plus it's only for 4 years.  Who he picks for VP and successor will make a difference.

There's Left rule, there's divided government, and then there's what we should do if we really do win the controls of power.

"Don’t underestimate what they [Democrats] are capable of."

  - [Doug]  That depends a lot on whether Hakim Jeffries is the Speaker of the House or the Minority Leader.

I concur there are a lot of moving parts and stars that need to align. I also think there are a lot of squishes in the GOP that will veil their membership in the Uniparty by NOT thinking ahead and preparing for what will inevitably occur and then blaming it on it being unforeseeable. Throw in the systematic lawfare being conducted against effective GOP lawyers and I fear any victories that do occur will be mitigated by foreseeable “Progressive” reactionary tactics.

Bottom line: I respect Schlicter for the foresight displayed in part one, look forward to part two, and admit a successful election will doubtless require parts 3 through 300,000 or more.
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Pay no attention to the spooks behind the search engine. I’ve certainly had several of the search engine experiences described below:

The Propaganda Superhighway
Search engines and the taming of the Digital West

JUPPLANDIA
MAY 26, 2024

I remember a very long time ago, when the Internet was young and I was too, the expression ‘information superhighway’. It was a term expressed at the same time that people thought of the new digital realms being created as a sort of Wild West free from State control and regulation. Both ideas linked technology with freedom. The idea of the information superhighway was that the emerging Internet was one part of an exciting technological advance that also included telecommunications. All of it was getting faster and better. All of it made us more connected with each other. Like a road network, these things provided easier access to places and ideas. Like a highway, they traversed the miles that separated us, drawing us together in a community of minds. Like a physical road, the whole thing suggested freedom of travel, individual agency, the chance to ‘boldly go’ wherever we pleased.

The Internet was what we would make it. The future was ours.

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Apparently though ‘information superhighway’ was a phrase invented by Al Gore in a 1978 meeting with computer industry magnates, and much beloved by the Clinton administration. In some ways the optimistic slant on communications technology harked back even further, recalling Harold Wilson’s 1963 speech about the ‘white heat of technology’. Boundless promises of technological advance have always excited governments, many of whom like to fantasise about a political legacy secured via sudden innovative advances. If purveyors of new technology are sometimes snakeoil salesman selling fake remedies, governments are often the balding consumptive hypochondriac who constitutes the perfect customer. And behind the idealistic visions, there were always political operatives.

Today, such messianic technological optimism recurs in Boris Johnson style grand projects, or in telecommunications again via the promises made for each increasing generation of broadband supply. Building a 5G as opposed to a 4G network, and presumably after that a 6G version, is proof, today, of taking technology and its impact on the economy seriously. The whole Net Zero agenda is another example, combining anxiety and political promises at one and the same time. There’s an element of anxiety too, as governments agonise over whether their communications, satellite network and Internet provision is being ‘left behind’ by other nations.

Today, even a pandemic is a political opportunity. Fear and hope, alleged crisis and alleged technological solution, are constant bedfellows. The WEF alternates between stoking fear and promising a tech utopia, as do advocates of things like 15 minute cities.

Both extreme hopes regarding technology, and extreme fears regarding being left behind, have long been expertly exploited by the corporate interests we call Big Tech. Silicon Valley and similar tech hubs are both the propagators and recipients of hopes and fears that are couched as broad and humanitarian ones, but are just as often commercial and political ones. The dream of new technology is sold as the dream of human progress, as the next leap in an uplifting saga of progress from the ape to the space race, a narrative which merely by us being human applies to us all. We gain some of the reflected glory. Everything from Da Vinci to Neil Armstrong is part of our story, and supposedly it encompasses too the rise of the mobile phone or the death of the fax machine.

Underneath this idealistic vision of progress, though, the true motivators are political in nature, encompassing monopolies of industry and technologies of control. Underneath, we find out with just a little investigation how closely involved political players and corporate actors have always been, quite often to their immediate advantage rather than in service to the general public or to ideal visions of future utopia. We find, for example, that Google was essentially a creation of the military-industrial complex. The still most famous search engine there is, the thing which decides where the information superhighway actually takes us, was designed from the start to let the CIA and other agencies monitor our thoughts and habits.

Search engines were built not just to provide a useful service in this new sphere of technology. They were built to track what we were saying to each other in this digital environment, to log what we were asking for and talking about, and to guide us towards the answers and conclusions that government preferred. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a plain fact confirmed by any more than cursory examination of the history of modern tech giants and of specific companies in the Big Tech ecosystem. If you care to look, DARPA funding and technology is easily found. When you do look, you can see in some cases these were never independent commercial enterprises that then allowed themselves, for example, to be used as outsourced censorship advocates or propaganda suppliers. They were built by aspects of the State in the first place.

All of which has been made a lot plainer to the rest of us by Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter, and by the subsequent revelations in the reporting of Matt Taibbi and others showing how embedded within the structure of these organisations agents of the State were. Today, we know that the FBI had a permanent presence in Twitter. We know how the Hunter Biden laptop story was suppressed across social media platforms as well as within legacy print media. Ironically, even the AI generated content supplied by (still controlled) search engines now has to admit these links. Thanks to alternative media reporting, some of the proof of a fascistic alliance between the State and corporations is now undeniable.

Here, for example, is what that AI generated search on Twitter will reveal:

James Baker: Former FBI General Counsel, Twitter’s Head of Policy and Trust & Safety (2020-2022). Baker was fired by Twitter CEO Elon Musk in November 2022 after his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story.

Matthew Williams: Former FBI Intelligence Analyst, Twitter’s Senior Director of Product Trust (2020-2022). Williams spent over 15 years at the FBI, including serving as Chief of Staff to top executives.

Dawn Burton: Former FBI Special Agent, Twitter’s Director of Corporate Resilience (2020-2022). Burton worked at the FBI for 21 years, including as a senior supervisory agent.

Kevin Michelena: Former FBI Special Agent, Twitter’s Director of Security and Risk (2020-2022). Michelena spent over 20 years at the FBI, including as a senior supervisory agent.

CIA Figures at Twitter:

Jeff Carlton: Former CIA Operative, Twitter’s Head of Strategic Response Team (2020-2022). Carlton worked for both the CIA and FBI before joining Twitter.

Stacia Cardille: Former CIA Attorney, Twitter’s Senior Legal Executive (2020-2022). Cardille was involved in the CIA’s “Info Ops” program and worked with the FBI on social media surveillance and censorship efforts.

These individuals, along with others, have played key roles in shaping Twitter’s content moderation and censorship policies, raising concerns about the potential for government influence and bias in the platform’s decision-making processes.”

What’s remarkable here is not only how search engines today will admit these past links, but how at the same time they still work to move people away from the most obvious conclusions. The idea we are supposed to reach today is that State and alphabet agency interference in Big Tech and social media platforms (especially through the silencing of politically awkward or dissident messages and accounts) is a past scandal, rather than a still active or relevant one. But really it is only Musk’s independent decision to challenge woke attitudes and some forms of corruption (a limited challenge, but a vital one) which has allowed any of this truth to be acknowledged.

State responses to that process, and the continued existence of State and corporate aligned censorship and propaganda on everything else, show us that all of this information-censorship complex is still active. Musk now faces numerous legal troubles from the State, almost all of which are as baseless as similar prosecutions of Donald Trump. The message remains that going off-message is extremely dangerous, even if you happen to be a billionaire.

In other words, all the censorship and propaganda has not gone away. In fact, it’s getting worse. It’s been joined by an escalating attempt to criminalise all opposition through new legislation, and the distortion of existing legislation to pursue offenders against allowed orthodoxy.

All of the above is the context that occurred to me on reading a fascinating article on the popular Substack The Honest Broker. In Let’s Just Admit It: The Algorithms Are Broken, Ted Gioia discusses the algorithms deployed by search engines. The gist of the article is that the algorithms used by platforms like Spotify, Rumble, Google and others are now completely useless. Gioia talks about looking at a Jazz book and then receiving recommendations for books on spy fiction or, at best, AI generated jazz books of very low quality. The Honest Broker is blunt on the efficacy of search engines that have been corrupted by sponsored links and by suppliers purchasing priority appearance in lists of recommendations:

“The Google algorithm deliberately makes it difficult to find reliable information. That’s because there’s more money made from promoting garbage, and forcing users to scroll through oceans of crap.”

All of this is of course true, but what’s really astonishing about the article is its strict avoidance of a political dimension of discussion. In the course of a quite lengthy description of the way search engines now direct people towards junk content, including multiple examples of this process and a fairly honest assessment of the financial incentives underpinning it, the one thing Goiai doesn’t refer to is the way the information superhighway and its search engine navigators only direct people towards results that fit a political narrative.

Selling us crap after all comes in more than one form. Yes, it can come by means of directing us towards products we don’t want, or products unrelated to what we do want. Yes, this can apply in a purely commercial sense as we receive endless advertising for inferior items, or as we get ads for a bicycle when we are looking for a toy pony. In those cases the algorithms may just be crap, or they may be manipulated by already existing payments from others. But there’s a kind of innocence still to this purely mercenary distortion of search results. It’s not there to serve a bigger or more malign agenda. It’s an annoyance where a service isn’t as good as it should be.

Far more worrying, surely, is the way that search engines refuse to supply access to political commentary that the masters of search engines do not want us to see. The fact is that search engines in the digital age have become vital tools of research used by everyone. If we want to read a product review, we go to a search engine. If we want to access statistical information on a political topic, we go to a search engine. Theoretically, we can still go to a library or consult our own bookshelves, but that’s of rather limited use in a rolling news cycle. Politics in particular depends on access to accurate information, and politics in particular is always going to be subject to distortion and lies. It’s the home field of propaganda, and the heavily contested ground of competing, self-declared Truths.

I can’t be the only one who has noticed how the navigation system of the information superhighway leads us only to acceptable destinations. Not truthful ones. Not accurate ones. Not representative ones. Allowed ones. Search engines are the satnavs of the information superhighway, of the entire telecommunications network. And they are being used to guide us towards only those pre determined conclusions we are supposed to have.

Nor is this a process that some old fashioned version of market competition allows us to escape. Disgusted with the political bias of the algorithms of Google, I have moved time and again to fresh search engines. Each time I have found that alternatives, search engines like DuckDuckGo or Brave, are just as bad. Quite often any alternative that emerges is quickly subsumed within the existing Big Tech monopolies. If it was ever independent, any hint of success sees it being purchased by the near feudal lords of the tech monopolies. In each case, I have had instances where articles I have previously read cannot be found again, even with highly accurate search enquiry terms related to them. Things which you know exist are then banned or shadow banned, or are lowered so far down returned results that you will never see them.

And at the same time the search engines will spew out forty or fifty articles or sources saying the exact opposite of the thing you were looking for. This is not accidental, nor is it proof that these ‘opposite results’ are in fact more real, more accurate, and more truthful than the thing you were looking for. All it proves is that you are being politically directed, steered at all times towards a conclusion of their choice, even as you search for evidence in support of your choice.

The truly astonishing thing in Let’s Just Admit It: The Algorithms Are Broken is the total lack of consideration of this political dimension to the corruption of search engines and algorithms. It’s bizarre to see this kind of blindness from an ‘honest broker’. Search engines and the selectivity provided by politically biased algorithms are now just as much a vital problem as the journalist activism of the controlled mainstream media and the constant pumping out of propaganda funded by vested interests is a problem. Not letting you see the truth is as powerful a tool of control as pointing your eyes towards lies is. Contemporary propaganda works by both instruction and omission, and talking about minor irritations of search engines directing you towards crap you don’t want to buy commercially may be just another way of avoiding discussing the way these search engines direct you towards crap you don’t want to buy politically.

Perhaps that’s why I’m still allowed to read The Honest Broker in the first place. Critics of modern tech who avoid the political issues are, after all, pretty safe. They are themselves safe from silencing, and they are considered safe enough for us to consume their content. In reality though, people have known since at least Orwell’s time how much tyranny depends on the things not said as well the things that are said. I don’t mean to be unfair to a Substacker who is saying something true, but I wish the bigger truths were on offer too.

One of those is that AI direction of human thought towards selected conclusions will be a terrifying phenomenon. It will be worse than biased search engines hiding the truth from us. It might be a stage by which the capacity for truth is lost as a human quality altogether. The machines will determine what we think, entirely, both the political machine and the artificial intelligence. This is a lot more important than getting a spy book recommended to you instead of a Jazz book.

https://jupplandia.substack.com/p/the-propaganda-superhighway?r=2k0c5&triedRedirect=true
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Politics & Religion / Re: What to Expect After a Trump Win, Schlicter
« Last post by DougMacG on May 27, 2024, 05:34:11 PM »
I like Schlicter and have the same reservations about referring others to him.  But I don't understand discussing a 'win' without figuring what happens in the House and Senate as well.  Plus some of the electoral reforms need to come from the state legislatures.

If Trump alone wins, it won't be much of a win.  Plus it's only for 4 years.  Who he picks for VP and successor will make a difference.

There's Left rule, there's divided government, and then there's what we should do if we really do win the controls of power.

"Don’t underestimate what they [Democrats] are capable of."

  - [Doug]  That depends a lot on whether Hakim Jeffries is the Speaker of the House or the Minority Leader.

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