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Flynn Sentencing Delayed
« Reply #450 on: February 01, 2018, 11:13:26 AM »
Read what you want into this, it is timed with the release of the memo presumably exposing that the FBI had no valid, legal reason for questioning Flynn.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4364040/1-31-18-Flynn-Status-Report.pdf
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Day by day's take on Comey
« Reply #453 on: February 01, 2018, 12:30:12 PM »

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #454 on: February 01, 2018, 02:10:42 PM »
all day long I am waiting for the darn memo.  Now tomorrow  -  the drama of it all.  This is more tense then who he was going to fire on celebrity apprentice - by a smidgeon
But this gives more time for Wash post cnn and NYT Newsweek Huffpost and the dem shysters and the jornolister DNC people to get their counter blitz act together. 

they are all over the airwaves with everything else they can think of

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #455 on: February 01, 2018, 03:28:22 PM »
Not quite the Hyborian Age, but we live in times of great Adventure , , ,

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Comey: "weasels and liars"
« Reply #456 on: February 01, 2018, 05:32:26 PM »
This guy along with Loretta Lynch and Obama refused to enforce the law against Clinton.  So who is the weasel?

was he also part of a get Trump conspiracy I don't know . 

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #458 on: February 01, 2018, 07:20:42 PM »
Please post that in Rule of Law as well.


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Re: The Memo!
« Reply #460 on: February 02, 2018, 11:13:24 AM »

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Re: The Memo!
« Reply #461 on: February 02, 2018, 01:50:56 PM »
A historical day, as most tragedies are. The FBI needs to be dissolved and lots of people need to go to prison.

Does this fit under RICO for prosecuting organized crime? 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1961

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Memo, text and salient points
« Reply #462 on: February 02, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/what-the-house-intelligence-committee-memo-says.php

Here are some salient points, put together by John Hinderaker:  (full text below)

* The FISA warrants that are the subject of the memo all relate to Carter Page. The original warrant was sought on October 21, 2016, and the memo says that there were three renewals, which apparently occur every 90 days. This would appear to take the surveillance well past the presidential election, and beyond President Trump’s inauguration. The memo does not explain this aspect of the timing. The FISA applications were signed by some familiar names: James Comey signed three, and Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein all signed one or more.

* The fake “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele with the assistance of unknown Russians “formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. In fact, McCabe testified before the committee that no FISA warrant would have been sought without the fake dossier. Steele was paid over $160,000 by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign to come up with derogatory information–true or false, apparently–on Donald Trump.

* DOJ and FBI failed to mention in their FISA application that it was based on opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, even though this apparently was known to the FBI. The application apparently tried to mislead the FISA court by saying that Steele “was working for a named U.S. person”–the memo doesn’t tell us who that person was–but not disclosing Fusion GPS or Glenn Simpson, let alone Hillary Clinton and the DNC. This appears to be a deliberate deception of the court.

* In addition to Steele’s fake dossier, the FISA application cited an article about Carter Page that appeared on Yahoo News. The application “assessed” that this corroborating account did not originate with Christopher Steele. In fact, it did: Steele himself leaked the information to Yahoo News.

* The memo casually notes that “the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.” This is news to me. It has been reported that Steele sought funding from the FBI, but I believe prior reports have been to the effect that the Bureau refused. Was the FBI paying Steele, known to be working for the Hillary Clinton campaign?

* Steele was terminated as an FBI source for leaking to news outlets about his relationship with the Bureau. The memo says that Steele should have been terminated for the same reason in September, before the first FISA application, because of other news media contacts, “but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.”

* Bruce Ohr’s involvement is even worse than we thought. In September 2016, according to the FBI’s files, Steele told Ohr that he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” The FBI hid this from the FISA court. Not only that, Ohr’s wife went to work for Fusion GPS and was part of the opposition research effort against candidate Trump. “Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.”

* At the time of the FBI’s initial application for a FISA warrant in October, its effort to corroborate Steele’s report was in its “infancy,” according to the Bureau. Subsequently, an FBI report characterized Steele’s dossier as “only minimally corroborated.” Nonetheless, in January 2017 James Comey purported to “brief” president-elect Trump on the contents of Steele’s fake report, at which time the report was leaked to the press.

* The memo ends with a brief reference to George Papadopoulos, who had a slight relationship to Trump’s campaign. FBI agent Peter Strzok opened a counterintelligence investigation into Papadopoulos in July 2016.

The Intelligence Committee memo obviously outlines a major scandal that indicts principal figures in the FBI, including James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein, unless the latter two officials were unaware of the fraud that was being perpetrated on the federal court. Whether some of those involved should go to prison would require a careful examination of relevant federal statutes.

The memo leaves much unsaid. The timing is unclear, at least to me. It sounds as though the FBI continued to renew its FISA warrant long after it had terminated its relationship with Steele and knew, or should have known, that his information was bogus. Why? Did the FBI tell the FISA court in these renewal applications that it had terminated its relationship with Steele, or that it had been unable to corroborate his claims? Presumably not.

Also, we don’t know what was done with the information that was collected about Carter Page–and, of course, about anyone with whom he communicated. This is where the enormous number of “unmasking” requests by Obama officials like Susan Rice come in. Did the Obama administration use the ill-gotten FISA warrants to spy, not only on Carter Page, but on others who had some relationship with Trump, or even Trump himself? Did the Obama administration pass information obtained from improper surveillance on to the Clinton campaign, or leak it to the press after the election?

The Intelligence Committee memo is a major step forward, but we have not yet gotten to the bottom of what happened in the heavily-politicized Department of Justice and FBI.
Full text:




https://www.scribd.com/document/370601487/370599093-FISA-Memo-Full-Text?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=&ad_group=3059047&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate


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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #463 on: February 02, 2018, 02:30:55 PM »
FWIW driving around today I was listening a bit to Michael Medved.  He felt the whole memo thing is a bunch of hooey.

*For good reason, Carter Page was on the intel radar screen for three years prior to the election.

*the FISA applications were after the Trump campaign let him go (after minimal involvement) precisely because of his Russian dealings i.e. there was not boot strapping to get after Team Trump.


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WSJ on the Memo
« Reply #465 on: February 02, 2018, 03:03:05 PM »
Obama and the FISA Court
Both of their reputations cannot survive the collusion investigation.
Former President Barack Obama in Chicago in December.
Former President Barack Obama in Chicago in December. Photo: maury/EPA/Shutterstock
By James Freeman
Updated Feb. 2, 2018 5:45 p.m. ET
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This column is trying to imagine how an editor at The Wall Street Journal would treat a draft article alleging a political campaign adviser was secretly working for a foreign government if the story featured uncorroborated opposition research paid for by a rival campaign. If the writer of the draft article assured the editor that readers would not be told where the information originated, it’s a safe bet this would not increase the chances of publication.

This column is also trying to imagine the conversation that would ensue if a reporter or writer then tried to persuade the editor by appealing to the authority of Yahoo News.

Of course the Journal isn’t the only media outlet that enforces standards. Many organizations strive to ensure basic accuracy and fairness. Can it possibly be true that the evidentiary standards for obtaining a federal warrant allowing the government to spy on the party out of power are significantly lower than in a professional newsroom?

Today the American people are finally able to see the memo from the majority staff of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence alleging abuse of government surveillance powers during the last presidential campaign. Many will be appalled that, at least according to the memo, on October 21, 2016 the Department of Justice and the FBI obtained a court order authorizing electronic surveillance on a Trump campaign volunteer without telling the court that Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee had paid for at least some of the research presented.

The memo further states that according to the head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, corroboration of the research was in its “infancy” at the time the government requested and received approval for this surveillance. Is it that easy to spy on the party out of power?

Today a number of libertarians and liberals are pointing to a blog post by USC law professor Orin Kerr, who says that failure to disclose the interests of the source is often a non-issue:

    Part of the problem is that judges figure that of course informants are often biased. Informants usually have ulterior motives, and judges don’t need to be told that. A helpful case is United States v. Strifler, 851 F.2d 1197, 1201 (9th Cir. 1988), in which the government obtained a warrant to search a house for a meth lab inside. Probable cause was based largely on a confidential informant who told the police that he had not only seen a meth lab in the house but had even helped others to try to manufacture meth there. The magistrate judge issued the warrant based on the informant’s detailed tip. The search was successful and charges followed.

    The defendants challenged the warrant on the ground that the affidavit had failed to mention the remarkable ulterior motives of the informant. The affidavit didn’t mention that the “informant” was actually a married couple that had been in a quarrel with the defendants; that the couple was facing criminal charges themselves and had been “guaranteed by the prosecutor that they would not be prosecuted if they provided information”; and that they had been paid by the government for giving the information. The affidavit didn’t mention any of that. A big deal, right?

    According to the court, no. “It would have to be a very naive magistrate who would suppose that a confidential informant would drop in off the street with such detailed evidence and not have an ulterior motive,” Judge Noonan wrote. “The magistrate would naturally have assumed that the informant was not a disinterested citizen.” The fact that the magistrate wasn’t told that the “informant” was guaranteed to go free and paid for the information didn’t matter, as “the magistrate was given reason to think the informant knew a good deal about what was going on” inside the house.

If this is accurate, and if it’s also acceptable to include uncorroborated information in warrant applications, this means that the bar for approving government spying against domestic political opponents is significantly lower than most Americans have been led to believe.

A former government official, having read the Kerr argument, writes via email:

    In meth cases, the judges all know the informants are dirtbags. But as Kerr admits, context is everything in these fact determinations. It’s hardly irrelevant that one presidential campaign is being spied on with the collusion of the existing administration and its candidate. Perhaps prosecutors should be mindful of their high ethical obligations in such a unique case. After all, there is the small matter of the credibility not only of law enforcement but the entire democratic process riding on it.

The Democrats on the Intelligence committee seem eager to release their own memo so perhaps we’ll learn more, but based on today’s release it appears either that the Obama administration engaged in historic abuse or that the FISA court cannot be trusted to protect our liberties, or perhaps both.

Readers concerned about the government’s surveillance authority may be interested to know about one current member of the Intelligence committee who began focusing on this issue all the way back in the George W. Bush administration.

In March of 2007, he announced that he was “deeply troubled” by what he called “abuses of authority” by the FBI in acquiring personal information on U.S. citizens. Over the years, he urged various restrictions on the ability of the executive branch to get information on Americans’ phone calls. In order “to protect privacy and increase transparency” he sought in various ways to reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court—the very court that approved the electronic surveillance of a Trump associate for reasons that are still not entirely clear.

Way ahead of the news, this particular lawmaker specifically introduced the “Ending Secret Law Act” which according to a press release from his office, “would require the Attorney General to declassify significant Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) opinions, allowing Americans to know how the Court has interpreted” its legal authorities.

This lawmaker said that his legislation “will help ensure we have true checks and balances when it comes to the judges who are given the responsibility of overseeing our most sensitive intelligence gathering and national security programs.”

His name is Adam Schiff, and he is now the ranking member on House Intelligence. But oddly he doesn’t seem to want to take credit for his early concern for civil liberties.


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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #467 on: February 02, 2018, 03:24:21 PM »
MIchael Medved:   from CD post :

*the FISA applications were after the Trump campaign let him go (after minimal involvement) precisely because of his Russian dealings i.e. there was not boot strapping to get after Team Trump."

I don't agree.  The STeele Dosier was the reason the FISA application was granted .  And why did team Comey at el totally leave out the political and financial bias of STeele
and a payoff to FBI guys wife and DOJ wife and the obvious Trump hatred - "insurance policy "
"Trump cannot be allowed to be President " all consistent with the total kid gloves on Hillary - sounds like bias to me and a bid F deal to quote the other great one - Joe Biden.

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Spengler is correct
« Reply #468 on: February 02, 2018, 05:11:39 PM »

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Re: Spengler is correct
« Reply #469 on: February 02, 2018, 05:46:20 PM »
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/trump-triumphs-release-house-intel-memo/
Read it all.

"Some may consider it dangerous to expose senior officials of America’s counterintelligence service as political hacks and fools. They needn’t worry. America’s adversaries have been well aware of this for a long time."

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Worse than Watergate
« Reply #470 on: February 02, 2018, 08:51:53 PM »

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never Trumpers : "nothingburger"
« Reply #471 on: February 03, 2018, 04:13:48 AM »
Seem to have nothing better to do than quote Hillary Clinont "nothingburger";

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/02/nevertrump-rallies-to-defend-deep-state-dismiss-memo/

Oh Carter Page was part of a counterintelligence investigation before FISA.  Why do they keep repeating this.  McCabe himself said the FISA was only obtained because of the dossier.

And if it is such a nothingburger why is the left going bonkers ?

Why did Comey et company go nuts trying to prevent its release?



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The WSJ weighs in:
« Reply #473 on: February 03, 2018, 10:01:40 AM »
A Reckoning for the FBI
The House memo reveals disturbing facts about the misuse of FISA.
By The Editorial Board
Feb. 2, 2018 7:27 p.m. ET

Now we know why the FBI tried so hard to block release of the House Intelligence Committee memo. And why Democrats and the media want to change the subject to Republican motivations. The four-page memo released Friday reports disturbing facts about how the FBI and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court appear to have been used to influence the 2016 election and its aftermath.

The White House declassified the memo Friday, and you don’t have to be a civil libertarian to be shocked by the details. The memo confirms that the FBI and Justice Department on Oct. 21, 2016 obtained a FISA order to surveil Carter Page, an American citizen who was a relatively minor volunteer adviser to the Trump presidential campaign.

The memo says an “essential” part of the FISA application was the “dossier” assembled by former British spy Christopher Steele and the research firm Fusion GPS that was hired by a law firm attached to the Clinton campaign. The memo adds that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe told the committee in December 2017 that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” without the dossier.

This is troubling enough, but the memo also discloses that the FBI failed to inform the FISA court that the Clinton campaign had funded the dossier. The memo says the FBI supported its FISA application by “extensively” citing a September 2016 article in Yahoo News that contained allegations against Mr. Page. But the FBI failed to tell the court that Mr. Steele and Fusion were the main sources for that Yahoo article. In essence the FBI was citing Mr. Steele to corroborate Mr. Steele.

Unlike a normal court, FISA doesn’t have competing pleaders. The FBI and Justice appear ex parte as applicants, and thus the judges depend on candor from both. Yet the FBI never informed the court that Mr. Steele was in effect working for the Clinton campaign. The FBI retained Mr. Steele as a source, and in October 2016 he talked to Mother Jones magazine without authorization about the FBI investigation and his dossier alleging collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. The FBI then fired Mr. Steele, but it never told the FISA judges about that either. Nor did it tell the court any of this as it sought three subsequent renewals of the order on Mr. Page.

We don’t know the political motives of the FBI and Justice officials, but the facts are damaging enough. The FBI in essence let itself and the FISA court be used to promote a major theme of the Clinton campaign. Mr. Steele and Fusion then leaked the fact of the investigation to friendly reporters to try to defeat Mr. Trump before the election. And afterward they continued to leak all this to the press to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Mr. Trump’s victory.

No matter its motives, the FBI became a tool of anti-Trump political actors. This is unacceptable in a democracy and ought to alarm anyone who wants the FBI to be a nonpartisan enforcer of the law.

We also know the FBI wasn’t straight with Congress, as it hid most of these facts from investigators in a briefing on the dossier in January 2017. The FBI did not tell Congress about Mr. Steele’s connection to the Clinton campaign, and the House had to issue subpoenas for Fusion bank records to discover the truth. Nor did the FBI tell investigators that it continued receiving information from Mr. Steele and Fusion even after it had terminated him. The memo says the bureau’s intermediary was Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, whose wife, incredibly, worked for Fusion.

Democrats are howling that the memo, produced by Republican staff, is misleading and leaves out essential details. They are producing their own summary of the evidence, and by all means let’s see that too. President Trump should declassify it promptly, along with Senator Chuck Grassley’s referral for criminal investigation of Mr. Steele. But note that Democrats aren’t challenging the core facts that the FBI used the dossier to gain a FISA order or the bureau’s lack of disclosure to the FISA judges.

The details of Friday’s memo also rebut most of the criticisms of its release. The details betray no intelligence sources and methods. As to the claim that the release tarnishes the FBI and FISA court, exposing abuses is the essence of accountability in a democracy.

Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes is doing a service by forcing these facts into the public domain where the American people can examine them, hold people accountable, and then Congress can determine how to prevent them in the future. The U.S. has weathered institutional crises before—Iran-Contra, the 9/11 intelligence failure, even Senator Dianne Feinstein’s campaign against the CIA and enhanced interrogation.

The other political misdirection is that the memo is designed to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into possible Trump collusion with Russia. We doubt Mr. Mueller will be deterred by any of this. The question of FISA abuse is independent of Mr. Mueller’s work, and one that Congress takes up amid a larger debate about surveillance and national security. Mr. Trump would do well to knock off the tweets lambasting the Mueller probe, and let House and Senate Republicans focus public attention on these FISA abuses.
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If all of this is damaging to the reputation of the FBI and Justice Department, then that damage is self-inflicted. We recognize the need for the FBI to sometimes spy on Americans to keep the country safe, but this is a power that should never be abused. Its apparent misuse during the presidential campaign needs to be fully investigated.

Toward that end, the public should see more of the documents that are behind the competing intelligence memos to judge who is telling the truth. Mr. Trump and the White House should consider the remedy of radical transparency.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #474 on: February 04, 2018, 05:11:18 AM »
"Their [Democrats] latest meme is "cherry picking." The memo was cherry-picked and therefore to be ignored. That's like saying a murderer who has a clean driving record and is a good cook is not a murderer." 

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/democrats-lie-baldly-memo/

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2nd post ; Rosenstein threatens intel committee members
« Reply #475 on: February 04, 2018, 05:26:09 AM »
not sure what the significance of this and caveat emptor the source (Jarret on Hannity show):

https://www.spartareport.com/2018/02/breaking-second-source-comes-forward-rosenstein-threatened-to-retaliate-against-congress/

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #476 on: February 04, 2018, 07:06:06 AM »
"Their [Democrats] latest meme is "cherry picking." The memo was cherry-picked and therefore to be ignored. That's like saying a murderer who has a clean driving record and is a good cook is not a murderer." 

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/democrats-lie-baldly-memo/

Well, once the memo was out, the hysterical claims about the damage to national security didn't work. Exposing "sources and methods" didn't work, unless you count perjury as a proprietary method, which it just might be for the Obama DOJ/FBI.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #477 on: February 04, 2018, 07:42:19 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/opinion/leaving-the-fbi.html

one question for this FBI agent:

explain to me Comey's failure to enforce the law during the Clinton investigation and giving her and her layers and aids all passes



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Two tough questions for us
« Reply #478 on: February 04, 2018, 10:28:06 AM »
Answer me this:

1) Carter Page had left the Trump campaign before the FISA warrant application was approved.  So how is this a boot strapping into listening in on the Trump campaign?

2) http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456063/nunes-memo-big-flaw-confirms-new-york-times-story?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Week%20in%20Review%202018-02-04&utm_term=VDHM
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Re: Two tough questions for us
« Reply #479 on: February 04, 2018, 01:49:49 PM »
Crafty, I don't know the answer to those. One take is here:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/trump-right-fisa-warrant-allowed-fbi-spy-carter-page-trump-campaign/
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[Doug] We will know more if/when more complete information comes out.  How did they know all about Flynn before they questioned him if the campaign and administration wasn't being spied on by our own agencies?  Why did they delay his sentencing?  Why wasn't Hillary questioned under oath?  She would be facing the same charges as Flynn only to a much higher underlying crime.  Why did Mueller hire DNC donors?  Why were these people hired, trusted, fired, McCabe, Ohr, Lisa Page, Strzok?  Did Comey commit a crime?  Should Mueller recuse himself over Comey?  If this group that can't shoot straight, issues a damning report now, could anyone rely on it?

While the Sunday shows are in denial that something big went wrong, I would ask:  
1. Is it a big deal to get a FISA court order to wiretap a US citizen?  Yes, hugely!
2.  Did they know the infdormation they were submitting was false, four times?  Yes, obviously!
3.  Does the other side, the suspect, get a say in a FISA court hearing?  No.
4.  Will those who perpetrated a fraud on the court pay a price for this, 4 times over?  No.  Only the American people will pay.  The abuse of this power will result in the loss of this power and leave the US susceptible to attacks on a scale of 9/11 and greater.

I don't buy the line that nothing much happened here.  This is an investigation into FOLLOWING THE RULES!

We pay $75billion/year for 200,000 intelligence agents and for the most important issue of our time (apparently) they submitted the Steele report to get the wiretap order, not written by Steele as shown in these pages, loaded with obviously false information like the "golden showers".  Trump hired prostitutes to pee on a hotel room bed because he believed Barack Obama, a half black man, once slept there.  Who doesn't that strike as absurd?  Did they hire people to pee on the White House too??  No matter how despicable you think Trump is, this whole thing is absurd.  Bad choice of words, but who applied the smell test to it?  Pictured here with Mohammed Ali and Rosas Parks receiving the Ellis Island award, racism is not what anyone honestly thinks is what primarily motivates Trump.  Money, power and ego all come ahead of any racism.


It's Year Two of a politically intentional cloud over the trump administration.  Is the public entitled to one shred of real evidence of illegal collusion by Trump with the Russians to support why this is STILL under investigation?
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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #480 on: February 04, 2018, 03:13:16 PM »
I'm about to head out to the gym and have only skimmed the piece, but this jumped out at me:

"How did they know all about Flynn before they questioned him if the campaign and administration wasn't being spied on by our own agencies?"

Ummm, because, as we most certainly should, we were listening in on the Russians?

If I have this right, it is more than a little feeble of this article to proffer such BS.



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Mukasey: Where's the Crime?
« Reply #481 on: February 04, 2018, 09:52:59 PM »
Mr. Mukasey served as U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and a U.S. district judge (1988-2006).
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The Memo and the Mueller Probe
If the investigation arose from partisan opposition research, what specific crime is he looking into?
Special counsel Robert Mueller leaves a Capitol Hill meeting, June 21, 2017.
Special counsel Robert Mueller leaves a Capitol Hill meeting, June 21, 2017. Photo: J. Scott Applewhite/associated press
By Michael B. Mukasey
Feb. 4, 2018 3:57 p.m. ET
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The memo released Friday by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence was the product of necessity, not choice. Even before its release, the debate over its provenance, motive and effect was obscuring the crucial point that it is the underlying facts the memo alleges that present the real issues.

The committee’s memo says that yet another memo, which goes by the cloak-and-dagger title “Steele dossier,” provided at least part of the basis for a wiretap of Carter Page, a U.S. citizen who had volunteered as a foreign policy-consultant to the Trump campaign. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court granted the wiretap application from the FBI and Justice Department two weeks before the 2016 election. In order to obtain the warrant, the government had to show probable cause that Mr. Page was acting as the agent of a foreign power and that in so doing he had committed a crime.

The Steele dossier is 35 pages of opposition research on Donald Trump, described by former FBI Director James Comey as “salacious and unverified.” It was paid for by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, and compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent who had a luminous dislike for Mr. Trump and was also an informant for the FBI.

The House memo reports that the FBI and Justice Department did not advise the FISA court that the dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. It also reports that the government’s cited support for the accuracy of contentions in the wiretap application—statements in a news article—had originated in a leak from Mr. Steele himself. Mr. Steele was fired by the FBI for a later unauthorized disclosure to the press, a cardinal offense by an informant. But the FBI continued to receive information from him through a Justice Department employee whose wife worked for the opposition-research firm that employed Mr. Steele and was paid by the DNC and Clinton campaign through a law firm, which acted as a cutout to conceal the source of the payments.

All that and more was known by the FBI and the Justice Department, according to the House memo, but not disclosed to the FISA court. That is certainly scandalous, but how consequential it is would seem to depend at least in part on what role the Steele dossier played in the application for the warrant.

According to the House memo, the FBI’s then deputy director testified in December that there would have been no application for the warrant but for the dossier. The committee’s Democrats deny he said that. In any case, it appears the Steele dossier played some role in the FISA application. The dossier, thanks to a long-ago leak, is publicly available; if you’d enjoy a swan dive into a cesspool, go read it. The FISA application is not available. How come?

Such applications are at the highest level of classification. They often contain sensitive intelligence information that can betray confidential sources and methods; disclosure can severely damage national security. But notice that the FBI’s only objection to the House memo at the time of its release was that it was incomplete, not that it disclosed sources and methods. Thus it is possible to summarize parts of a classified document to disclose information relevant to a public issue without disclosing secrets.

It is also possible to redact a classified document to the same end. It should be possible to disclose the parts of the FISA application that are alleged to come from the Steele dossier to see if there is any there there. That was not done because the FBI and the Justice Department resisted, and the committee had to make do with a summary. That is why the memo was a product of necessity, not choice.

Those critical of its release say it is intended to damage special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. How does possible misconduct by senior FBI officials, which is certainly bad enough, intersect with the Mueller investigation? As follows: The Justice Department regulation that authorizes the appointment of special counsels requires a determination that a “criminal investigation” is warranted, and that there is a conflict or other good reason that prevents ordinary Justice Department staff from conducting it.

The regulation that governs the jurisdiction of the special counsel requires that he be “provided with a specific statement of the matter to be investigated.” The letter from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointing Mr. Mueller says he is to “conduct the investigation confirmed by then-Director James Comey before the House Intelligence Committee on March 20, 2017,” which covers “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” and any matters that may arise “directly” from that investigation.

But the investigation then disclosed by Mr. Comey was not a criminal investigation; it was a national-security investigation. Possible Russian meddling in the 2016 election is certainly a worthy subject for a national-security investigation, but “links” or “coordination”—or “collusion,” a word that does not appear in the letter of appointment but has been used as a synonym for coordination—does not define or constitute a crime. The information, and misinformation, in the Steele dossier relates to that subject.

If partisan opposition research was used to fuel a national-security investigation that has morphed into a series of criminal investigations, and the special counsel has no tether that identifies a specific crime, or “a specific statement of the matter” he is to investigate, that is at least unsettling. By contrast, the Watergate, Iran-Contra and Whitewater investigations, whatever you think of how they were conducted, identified specific crimes. The public knew what was being investigated.

Here, none of the charges Mr. Mueller has brought thus far involved “coordination” or “collusion” with the Russians. Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos both pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, the latter over the timing of conversations with Russians in which he was allegedly offered but never received “dirt” on Mrs. Clinton, including her emails. He also attempted to set up a meeting between the Russians and Mr. Trump, but the campaign blew off that effort. Notably, Mr. Papadopoulos did not plead guilty to participating in any plot that involved “coordination.” The Paul Manafort and Rick Gates indictments charge fraud on the government through receipt of and failure to disclose payments from a pro-Russian Ukraine politician.

What to do? I believe that at a minimum, the public should get access to a carefully redacted copy of the FISA application and renewals, so we can see whether officials behaved unlawfully by misleading a court; and Mr. Mueller’s mandate should be defined in a way that conforms with the legal standard of his office. Both would go a long way toward assuring that we do more than talk about a “government of laws.”

Mr. Mukasey served as U.S. attorney general (2007-09) and a U.S. district judge (1988-2006).

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #482 on: February 04, 2018, 10:06:40 PM »
second post

https://www.theepochtimes.com/epoch-times-investigation-beyond-the-memo_2431505.html

"The Epoch Times used additional sources, including a declassified top-secret report of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to paint a fuller picture of the apparent abuse of power.

After the initial FISA warrant was approved, dozens, if not hundreds of so-called unmasking requests were made by senior members of then-President Barack Obama’s administration.

It also opened the floodgate to a number of intelligence leaks to media organizations, which served to turn public opinion against Donald Trump.

Continuing well after Trump was elected, the spying and leaking raise serious concerns about apparent efforts by the Obama administration, the DNC, and the Clinton campaign to prevent Trump from being elected and to delegitimize him once he was in office."

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WSJ: Strassel: Did Steele really snooker the FBI?
« Reply #483 on: February 05, 2018, 07:09:17 AM »
Did Steele Really Snooker the FBI?
The bureau should have known he was talking to the press—but it told the FISA court he wasn’t.
By Kimberley A. Strassel
Feb. 4, 2018 3:55 p.m. ET
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The House Intelligence Committee memo about 2016 surveillance abuses, released Friday, lays out grave evidence that the FBI wasn’t fully forthcoming with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as it sought an order to wiretap former Trump adviser Carter Page. It’s possible the FBI’s lack of candor was even worse than the memo describes.

Democrats are disputing the memo on lots of grounds, but they’ve said little about the FBI’s failure to inform the court that the bureau had itself decided one of its main sources, dossier author Christopher Steele, was unreliable. Mr. Steele in October 2016 gave Mother Jones an unauthorized interview about the dossier. As a former British intelligence officer, Mr. Steele would have known that sources are not supposed to blab to the press. The interview appeared but a few days before the election, was at the direction of his paymaster, the opposition-research firm Fusion GPS, and was clearly designed to help the ultimate client: the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Stuck with a source now brazenly using the FBI for political purposes, the bureau suspended and then terminated Mr. Steele. Only nine days before the Mother Jones interview, the bureau had filed its application for the Page wiretap order, which rested on the Steele dossier. Yet the FBI did not immediately go back to tell the court it no longer trusted Mr. Steele, the author of a crucial piece of evidence.

And the Mother Jones interview wasn’t the first time Mr. Steele went to the press. A month earlier he had sat down with an array of media outlets to brief them on the dossier that he’d given the FBI in July. Out of this came a Sept. 23, 2016, article by Michael Isikoff in Yahoo News, published under the headline “U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin.” The story was a bombshell, blowing the FBI investigation into the public sphere.

The FBI and Justice Department intimately knew this article, as they relied on it as part of their wiretap application. And while Mr. Isikoff did not name Mr. Steele as his source, the FBI should have been able to figure out his identity. The Isikoff article relates specific dossier details, though the dossier wasn’t public at the time. It explains that the “intelligence reports” the FBI was reviewing—the dossier—came from a “well-placed Western intelligence source.” Sen. Chuck Grassley last month referred Mr. Steele to the Justice Department for a criminal investigation of whether he lied to the feds about his contacts with the press. From this we can assume that the FBI’s FISA court application claimed Mr. Steele had not worked with the press.

The House memo gives the FBI the benefit of the doubt, stating that Mr. Steele “improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.” Then again, what was the date of this claim? If Mr. Steele told the FBI when he first met with them in July that he’d not briefed media, that would have been accurate as far as we know. Did the FBI ask him again after the Isikoff article?

Even if it did and if he denied talking to reporters, the FBI would have had every reason to believe he was lying. The provenance of the Isikoff article is exceptionally clear. And the FBI could easily have checked Mr. Steele’s recent whereabouts (Britain or the U.S.) or even asked Mr. Isikoff, though he might not have answered. While Mr. Steele might have proved unreliable, there’s reason to wonder if he’d lie outright to the FBI.

The Grassley referral needs be fully declassified, just as the House memo was. The FBI needs to answer straightforward questions about Mr. Steele’s claims, and he needs to provide his version.

The FBI got fooled by a source, or it knew its source was lying, or it didn’t bother to check, or it was too incompetent to see the obvious. Take your pick. None of the possibilities look good, especially if you’re a FISA judge.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #484 on: February 05, 2018, 07:11:04 AM »
...this jumped out at me:
"How did they know all about Flynn before they questioned him if the campaign and administration wasn't being spied on by our own agencies?"

Ummm, because, as we most certainly should, we were listening in on the Russians?
If I have this right, it is more than a little feeble of this article to proffer such BS.

I edited my post since then to separate their link from my questions.  That 'BS' was mine. )  The Gateway link purports to answer your question but also falls a little short.

To your question:  
"1) Carter Page had left the Trump campaign before the FISA warrant application was approved.  So how is this a boot strapping into listening in on the Trump campaign?"

According to others, Carter Page was still in contact with the campaign and that seems to be the connection to the others - "in his circle".  

The Mukasey piece seems quite level headed on the issue.  I agree, we need to see the (redacted) FISA applications and we need to know the underlying evidence of a crime they are investigating, sooner rather than later.  

Another center of this scandal is the unmasking.  To your question, how is this a boot strap into listening into the Trump campaign (and transition and administration?), I think the unmasking documents will tell that story.  [How did we know it was Flynn? Flynn was unmasked.  Why?  By Whom?]
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2662.msg104058#msg104058

Recall this roadblock, well covered on the forum:
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2662.msg104442#msg104442
JW: NSC buries Susan Rice unmasking materials at Obama Library
« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2017, 08:46:18 PM »   Crafty_Dog  
BOMBSHELL:
Judicial Watch today announced that the National Security Council (NSC) on May 23, 2017, informed it by letter that the materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” have been removed to the Obama Library. The NSC will ***not*** fulfill a Judicial Watch request for records regarding information relating to people “who were identified pursuant to intelligence collection activities.” Specifically, the NSC told Judicial Watch: 'Documents from the Obama administration have been transferred to the Barack Obama Presidential Library. You may send your request to the Obama Library. However, you should be aware that under the Presidential Records Act, Presidential records remain closed to the public for five years after an administration has left office.' Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said: “Prosecutors, Congress, and the public will want to know when the National Security Council shipped off the records about potential intelligence abuses by the Susan Rice and others in the Obama White House to the memory hole of the Obama Presidential Library. We are considering our legal options but we hope that the Special Counsel and Congress also consider their options and get these records.”
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The tracks are covered.   I don't believe we need to wait 5 years for documents needed in a criminal investigation!
 
If Mueller won't pursue this, The President should hire someone who will.

And it's time for us to bring Rick N. back in on this, who had it right from the beginning:
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2662.msg103728#msg103728

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #486 on: February 05, 2018, 07:23:44 AM »
Doug:

Thank you for that answer.

Modifying my question about Carter Page:  He was told he was a person of interest in 2013 or so-- long predating the Trump candidacy.  Does this neuter the assertion that all this was drummed up to bootstrap into spying on Trump and friends?

Does  the unmasking originate in the FISA warrant or in Obama's decision to expand from 3 to 17 the number of agencies with access the super-duper top secret NSA raw data?

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Re: WSJ: Strassel: Did Steele really snooker the FBI?
« Reply #487 on: February 05, 2018, 07:44:13 AM »
"described by former FBI Director James Comey as “salacious and unverified.”  "

This is a key point because it comes under oath from Comey, but it omits the bigger points, the Dossier is false and plagiarized.


"The FBI got fooled by a source, or it knew its source was lying, or it didn’t bother to check, or it was too incompetent to see the obvious. Take your pick. None of the possibilities look good, especially if you’re a FISA judge."

Assuming the Obama appointed FISA court judge is not part of the conspiracy!
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Thanks Crafty for clarifying the question.  I hope those answers come to us.  I want the whole truth to come out wherever it falls.
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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #489 on: February 05, 2018, 09:44:34 AM »
We need to see all warrant requests made to the FISC by DOJ or other government agencies that involved Carter Page - not just the initial one that was granted in October 2016.  Were there requests made before October 2016 that were not granted by the FISC? 

We need to learn the identities of all US citizens who were subjected to federal investigation, surveillance, or any other inquiries by any agency of the federal govt (not just the Special Counsel) as a result of information learned through the Page FISC-authorized surveillance.  Whose bank records were seized?  Whose neighbors, friends, or business associates were interviewed?  In other words why was the surveillance re-authorized 4 more times? 

Were subsequent requests for extension of the Page FISC order also supported by the intercepts of Flynn and others talking to the Russian ambassador?

In other words, there exists strong probable cause to believe that Comey, Strzok and Page leaked to the press certain information learned from the counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.  How were they acquiring all of this information in that investigation?  Certainly, not just from the Page surveillance. 

If these actors would go to these lengths to get FISC authorization for surveillance on Page, what else were they doing under color of federal law once the investigation commenced in mid-2016? 

One main assessment that can be made here is that the entire story of Trump collusion with Russia was a deliberate disinformation effort concocted to conceal a lot of other really bad stuff.  Human behavior patterns do repeat themselves. 

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« Reply #490 on: February 05, 2018, 10:38:14 AM »
Rick:

Glad to see you here!  You are a very bright guy with a strong background in understanding these things.

Some questions and comments:

"We need to see all warrant requests made to the FISC by DOJ or other government agencies that involved Carter Page - not just the initial one that was granted in October 2016.  Were there requests made before October 2016 that were not granted by the FISC?"

My understanding is that there was a prior request late spring/early summer which was rejected.  Thus it seems plausible to infer temptation to improve the next application.

My understanding is that the renewal requests (every 90 days?) require showing the actual substance has been achieved justifying the continuation of the warrant.

"We need to learn the identities of all US citizens who were subjected to federal investigation, surveillance, or any other inquiries by any agency of the federal govt (not just the Special Counsel) as a result of information learned through the Page FISC-authorized surveillance.  Whose bank records were seized?  Whose neighbors, friends, or business associates were interviewed?  In other words why was the surveillance re-authorized 4 more times?"

Unlike the Nunes memo, wouldn't this get into "sources and methods" issues and interfering with ongoing investigations?  Perhaps the Nunes Oversight committee is already looking into this?

"Were subsequent requests for extension of the Page FISC order also supported by the intercepts of Flynn and others talking to the Russian ambassador?"

We SHOULD be listening in to the Russian ambassador and were.  As former head of the DIA Flynn undoubtedly knew this.  A bit of a mystery why he handled the FBI request for interview as he did , , ,  Presumably the Russian ambassador assumes we are listening and is quite capable of playing mis-intel games with what he says and does.

"In other words, there exists strong probable cause to believe that Comey, Strzok and Page leaked to the press certain information learned from the counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.  How were they acquiring all of this information in that investigation?  Certainly, not just from the Page surveillance."  

Well, for sure the Strzok-Page comms provide hard evidence that they were leaking!  And Comey himself testified under oath that he leaked to the Columbia Law School professor , , , but does that prove they were using Russian countel-intel info?  I do not know enough to judge , , ,

There is the matter in December 2016 of Obama enabling raw NSA data to go to 17 agencies instead of 3-- with the reasonable inference that this was done to make it virtually impossible to trace leakers, and the unmasking by officials who had no business doing so such as Samantha Powers at the UN.  I forget her name, but at the time some Obama official gaffed into openly admitting to a conspiracy to leave untraceable landmines for Trump everywhere (we posted here about it)-- and there is the matter of President Trump's calls to the Mexican president and the Australian PM being leaked.  Who the hell has access to that?!?

"If these actors would go to these lengths to get FISC authorization for surveillance on Page, what else were they doing under color of federal law once the investigation commenced in mid-2016?"

As I sure you already know, Page was informed to be a person of interest some two years before the Trump candidacy and that he was no longer with Team Trump-- who vigorously disavowed his importance and the extent of his interaction with the campaign (unimporatant unpaid volunteer, blah blah at the time.  To what extent does that undercut this narrative as far as Page goes?

"One main assessment that can be made here is that the entire story of Trump collusion with Russia was a deliberate disinformation effort concocted to conceal a lot of other really bad stuff.  Human behavior patterns do repeat themselves."

As best as I can tell Trey Gowdy is correct when he says that while the Page FISA warrant application was full of bad behavior by top actors at FBI and DOJ, that as a matter of logic that is a point separate from the merits of the Russian interference/collusion story.    That said I AGREE 100% that conspiracy most foul has been afoot-- see e.g. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/how-we-got-here-2.php but at the moment I am of the opinion that the Nunez memo is less than hard proof of that.  I'd be pointing more at the millions into the Clinton Foundation, Bill's $500,00 payoff, Uranium One and the internal sabotage of the Comey FBI investigation into Hillary (no grand jury, ex parte comms between Bill and AG Lynch, the immunity deals for Mills and Brazille(?) while agreeing to destroy their computers after looking at them, etc etc etc for that.

The facts on the ground are shifting every day and as new facts come to my attention I stand ready to change my mind.

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PS:  Tangentially, here is a bit of background on Comey's history:  http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/17/former-attorney-general-on-comeys-integrity-jims-loyalty-was-more-to-chuck-schumer/
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« Reply #491 on: February 05, 2018, 10:49:52 AM »
PS:  Amongst the propaganda, this article from Pravda on the Potomac confirms the point I am offering about the disconnect between the misbehavior on the warrant application and the Mueller investigation:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/05/trumps-latest-stunt-is-about-to-blow-up-in-his-face/?undefined=&utm_term=.71da3fdcb17e&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, related matters
« Reply #494 on: February 05, 2018, 03:34:42 PM »
crafty - always glad to contribute when possible.

The Nunes memo summarizes some evidence learned on the classified side of the House Committee's oversight investigation into the issue of the Obama Administration's use of counterintelligence tools under the pretext of investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.  Because this info was classified, it was kept in a secure reading room and one member of the Committee only could actually read it.  The Committee chose Trey Gowdy for this assignment.  Rep. Gowdy examined the evidence and then reported on what he read to the Chairman Nunes.  Then, in consultation with Gowdy, Nunes prepared a classified memo for distribution to the Republican members of his committee.  The memo confirmed some of the worst fears about how the FISC may have been manipulated into granting a warrant to spy on US citizens.  The Page case became one example of this abuse of power.

Remember that the committee is investigating a series of possible abuses that include misleading the FISC.  The Committee is also investigating the possible abuse of the power to unmask the identity of US citizens involved in conversations with foreign agents that are lawfully having their conversations intercepted.  This led to Flynn and his process crime of lying to an investigator about talking to the Russian ambassador.  The Committee also is likely investigating other possible abuses of power.

Nunes and Gowdy, I suspect, both fear that the Obama administration abused its foreign intelligence power in more than one way in order to spy on Trump.  They are trying to build a case that will result in more reforms and perhaps the prosecution of those who violated the law.  They both saw the Russian collusion political ploy as an opportunity to train the oversight powers of the Congress onto these potential abuses and expose them for the public to see.  Thus, when the Democrats wanted the Congress to investigate Russian interference and potential collusion with Trump in the last election, they supported the investigation.

The Nunes memo should be viewed as one piece of direct and circumstantial evidence that will lead to proving or disproving their hypothesis about Obama admin abuses.  Both Gowdy and Nunes have made no secret of the fact that they both fear past similar abuses of power in the disclosures about the Benghazi debacle and the IRS actions to deny tax-exempt certification to pro-Republican, Tea Party, and other groups that sought to support Romney during the 2012 election.  

In addition, Andy McCarthy has made a strong case that President Obama himself may have been behind the whole scheme in order to hide his emails he sent under a false name to Hilary's personal email account.  The Russian collusion story then becomes a replay of the anti-Muslim video scenario that was used to justify why we were surprised that in a North African nation, Libya, on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, that a mob suddenly attacked our compounds in Benghazi.  You invent a story, punish a scapegoat or two and hide from the public what really happened.  

Mrs. Clinton's personal email server would require disclosure of these emails from the President under a false name.  Suddenly, thousands of emails are scrubbed, bleached, and cannot be found.  Kind of like losing 18 minutes of tape ...

And when the political campaign would then bring up the Clinton Foundation's dealings with Russian lobbyists, the response is that Trump did it, too.  And when a lot of emails are phished from Podesta's personal gmail account because he fell for a phishing scam, the response is that not only did Trump work with the Russians on business deals, but also he colluded with them to steal the election from Hilary.  

To apply a phrase from the Nixon years, the Obama admin and its supporters went into full hold-out and, then, cover-up mode.  Just as Nixon did abuse certain powers and tried to get other agencies to join him, the Obama admin also did the same thing.  Instead of using "plumbers", they used the secret FISC process.  Instead of using burglars, they abused the unmasking process.  Etc., etc., etc ...

This certainly seems to be a reasonable hypothesis to investigate.  The Nunes memo is the first step in a long process of using Congressional oversight to obtain the proof - for or against such a hypothesis.  The Nunes memo certainly supports more investigation into the facts to determine whether this hypothesis is the truth.  The fact that it cannot be readily disproved at this time is the fact that most disturbs me today.  
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« Reply #495 on: February 05, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »
1:

Very thoughtful Rick.

I like your reminder of the context for Gowdy and Nunes of having tried to oversee the Benghazi coverup and the IRS coverup and that they may well be building to something much bigger.

Question that I have had a long time and asked a couple of times previously:  Doesn't the NSA have a copy of everything e.g. Hillary's missing 30,000 emails in that giant facility across the street from Camp Williams UT?  I've been to Camp Williams several times to work with 19th SF and so have seen the facility from the outside.  IT IS BIG.

I suspect we all here are agreed with McCarthy that Obama has been a major player, indeed perhaps the puppet master, in all of this but , , , also worth noting that somewhere in this thread is a McCarthy article in which he suggests that the reason President Trump has not declassified the FISA warrant applications is because in addition to the Dossier there may well be other matters quite inconvenient to the President.

2:

This appears to be a major development:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/trump-lawyers-special-counsel-interview.html?emc=edit_na_20180205&nl=breaking-news&nlid=49641193&ref=cta

3:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/372431-gop-probes-put-new-focus-on-state?rnd=1517872117/?userid=188403

I would add that this thread and the Rule of Law thread have repeatedly cited articles on apparent State Department stonewalling on Hillary's behalf, even after she was gone.

4:

Well, well, looky here , , ,
https://www.westernjournal.com/judge-kicked-off-flynn-case-issued-the-fisa-warrant-to-spy-on-carter-page/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=deepsix&utm_content=2018-02-05&utm_campaign=can


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