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UC Irvine bans American flags
« Reply #550 on: March 07, 2015, 07:53:58 AM »

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #551 on: March 07, 2015, 12:39:16 PM »
So six foreign students get to decide if the flag can be flown in UC Irvine?

More dismantling from within.

I suppose the professors give their whole hearted support.



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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #554 on: March 14, 2015, 05:58:09 PM »
Levin points out that each time the liberals were cavorting with the communist enemy.

The difference now is that the Republicans are trying to stop a liberal President from cavorting with the enemy.

So not only will the MSM not point out the fact Democrats have done this many times they would never point the out this difference either.

And the Republicans should be out front and center pointing this out.  But what do they do instead - cave.  Like they always do.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #555 on: March 14, 2015, 06:10:41 PM »
 :cry: :cry: :x

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Trying to cover for our shortage of lefties here, this is Salon editor Joan Walsh rambling on about the challenges and troubles facing the left today.  A guaranteed cure for insomnia.  A must read for people who need to know what part of her thinks...

"Progressives’ looming challenge: Bill de Blasio, Elizabeth Warren, inequality, and a stunning blind spot"

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/14/as_2016_looms_can_progressives_organize_or_at_least_get_out_of_their_own_way/

Cut through the distractions and the infighting and the answer to failing government is always more government.  Bigger government, higher taxes on production and more limits on economic liberty, that's what we're missing!

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #557 on: May 15, 2015, 10:56:05 AM »
No matter the problem, the answer is always more taxes and more control of the individual.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #558 on: May 28, 2015, 10:58:48 AM »
I find this poll rather discouraging.   Apparently 37 % polled think or are so stubborn they will claim she Clinton is honest.  70% think she is a good leader.  Really.  Why?  On what basis?

 We don't have democracy or a republic if our leaders are serial liars.  We have tyranny.
Honesty should be, but is not, a major prerequisite  to hold elective office.  I don't rejoice at these numbers. 

*****by John Nolte28 May 2015203

Former-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the most famous and well-known politician (not named Barack Obama) in America today. Clinton has been in the national public eye for nearly a quarter-century. Everyone has their own opinion of her, and for that reason she is polling like an incumbent. The only thing is that she is polling like a vulnerable incumbent.

The joint scandals involving Clinton violating State Department email regulations and all the shady money around the Clinton Foundation have taken a serious toll, especially on her credibility. According to a Pew Poll released Thursday, a full 53% say Clinton is not honest. Only 39% disagree.

Clinton scores high on leadership (60-37%) but is weak on whether she cares about voters’ “needs and problems” (48-47%).*****

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #559 on: June 19, 2015, 01:27:39 AM »

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Critical theory
« Reply #561 on: June 21, 2015, 05:28:04 PM »

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Consistent
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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #563 on: June 30, 2015, 08:21:14 AM »
"As The Atlantic notes, if a debt situation got particularly bad in the US, America could technically print its own money to pay back its debt, since it owes money in a currency that it controls. This would increase inflation and weaken confidence in the dollar, but wouldn't spell doom for the US economy. *

Is this author serious???   What does he think 18 trillion in debt is???

Bobby - my top choice at this time.

*****And now we have our first presidential candidate warning about Greece happening in America ...
Business Insider By Maxwell Tani
17 hours ago

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(AP/Jim Cole) Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R).

Louisiana Gov. and presidential candidate Bobby Jindal (R) believes that the US is headed down the path to a Greek-style financial disaster.
“Greece will happen here if we do not change course. Anyone who disagrees with this is a ‘math denier,'" Jindal said in a statement on Monday.

The governor's comments come as Greece is set to default on its debt, which sent stocks plummeting and threatened Greece's status in the Eurozone.

Jindal said that President Barack Obama's spending record is putting the US on a path to financial instability, and that a 2016 victory for Hillary Clinton would virtually ensure a crisis.

“This is the American future if we continue going down the road that President Obama has us on, and that Hillary Clinton wants to continue and even accelerate," Jindal said.

“Greece is now coming to the pot of gold that awaits at the end of the socialist rainbow, and Hillary Clinton pledges to take America further down the road to socialism," Jindal said.

Jindal's argument is similar to the argument that former Massachusetts Gov. and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney (R) made in 2012 when it became apparent that Greece needed another bailout to manage its debts.

But though Romney and now Jindal appear to be making a point about excessive government spending and debt, the comparison is flawed.

That's because US debt and Greek debt are nothing alike.

Greece owes money to its creditors in a currency that it does not control. The International Monetary Fund, the European Commission, and the European Central Bank have bailed out Greece several times and set the terms for how Greece pays back its debt. Greece has no way to pay back its debt other than to accept austerity measures imposed by these three groups.

In contrast, the US is has a currency it controls and risks no debt default. And its debt is denominated in dollars.

As The Atlantic notes, if a debt situation got particularly bad in the US, America could technically print its own money to pay back its debt, since it owes money in a currency that it controls. This would increase inflation and weaken confidence in the dollar, but wouldn't spell doom for the US economy.

Myles Udland contributed to this report.


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Why not socialism?
« Reply #565 on: July 08, 2015, 07:05:53 AM »
Conservatives are having some fun watching declared Socialist Bernie Sanders gain on her in the polls, not unlike how fun it was to watch the furthest left junior Senator from Illinois gain and pass her in 2007-2008.  Be careful what you wish for!  Calling someone a socialist isn't good enough anymore, nor is proving the candidate is a socialist, nor even in this case is the candidate calling himself a socialist a disqualifier anymore.

We have to answer that question in a thorough, but concise and irrefutable way, why not socialism?

I challenge all here, and especially Crafty of 2015 to explain to Crafty of age 20, why not socialism/liberalism/progressivism?

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Re: Why not socialism?
« Reply #566 on: July 08, 2015, 07:44:20 AM »
Conservatives are having some fun watching declared Socialist Bernie Sanders gain on her in the polls, not unlike how fun it was to watch the furthest left junior Senator from Illinois gain and pass her in 2007-2008.  Be careful what you wish for!  Calling someone a socialist isn't good enough anymore, nor is proving the candidate is a socialist, nor even in this case is the candidate calling himself a socialist a disqualifier anymore.

We have to answer that question in a thorough, but concise and irrefutable way, why not socialism?

I challenge all here, and especially Crafty of 2015 to explain to Crafty of age 20, why not socialism/liberalism/progressivism?

The whole running out of other people's money thing doesn't look like much fun. Go ask the Greeks.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #567 on: July 08, 2015, 08:12:44 AM »
"The whole running out of other people's money thing doesn't look like much fun"

No biggie.  Just print more.  Unlike the Greeks we control our money supply.  Just ask the libs.

They tell us were safe  :roll:

Besides what would the poor do????  They would scream.

How do we explain they make it all worse not better?

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #568 on: July 08, 2015, 09:53:30 PM »
G M:  "The whole running out of other people's money thing doesn't look like much fun. Go ask the Greeks."

Yes.  The Soviet example has grown too old for young people to know.

ccp:  "How do we explain they make it all worse not better?"

That's right.  It doesn't do what it purports to do.  I also think we need to explain why it doesn't work. 
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And there's this:

Socialism pretends to offer you income security, knowing that all the basics of life are free, nothing to worry about, all treated the same.

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
   - Dwight D. Eisenhower

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/dwightdei107094.html#zexXOAHtE65vkHXI.99






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Epic stupid
« Reply #569 on: July 13, 2015, 07:05:48 PM »
http://twitchy.com/2015/07/09/whos-laughing-now-we-are-at-the-twerps-who-mocked-romney-for-warning-about-chinese-hackers/

Today's left is quite distinctive in it's smug arrogance çombined with incredible levels of ignorance and idiocy.

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Who knew?
« Reply #570 on: July 28, 2015, 07:32:16 PM »
Who would have guessed the one business the left enthusiastically supports is Planned Parenthood's baby body parts trafficking?

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #571 on: July 29, 2015, 07:16:13 AM »
Yeah.

Americans spend all the money doing research and innovation and the Chinese just hack or bribe to get this information for little to no significant investment.

So do the Russians.   

They are laughing at our being dupes.


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« Reply #572 on: July 30, 2015, 11:22:33 AM »
This is her business address but anyone know where she physically lives?   It is my understanding celebrities just love having people showing up at their homes:

http://www.fanmail.biz/2292.html

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #573 on: July 30, 2015, 01:55:53 PM »
 :evil: :evil: :evil: :lol:

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #577 on: August 03, 2015, 07:20:51 AM »
"Nothing now"

Indeed. 

So why does Matthews support the crats so fervently if even he thinks there should be?

That is based on his questioning of Vasserman Socialistschultz.

He just can't let go can he?

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Except for the end he lived his life as a Democrat
« Reply #580 on: August 28, 2015, 07:53:02 AM »
He is the picture perfect Democrat.  The model for their electorate:  a victim.

Of course

http://news.yahoo.com/businesses-reopening-scene-deadly-air-shootings-084354055.html#

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #581 on: August 31, 2015, 08:18:38 AM »
ccp from Iran thread:

"Wait a second… did hell just freeze over? An area where we actually AGREE with DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz? (Even if her move was purely to protect her own political future with her largely Jewish constituency in South Florida.)"

Same goes for Chuck Schumer.  We know they don't care about security, and they know their support for Obama's hoax isn't needed to pass it.  It's about political pressure from big contributors, just like the gay issue was. There are hands at the top of the puppet strings.  By opposing the deal while letting it pass anyway, these filthy politician can play it both ways. MHO

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« Reply #582 on: August 31, 2015, 09:04:46 AM »
"Same goes for Chuck Schumer"  "and they know their support for Obama's hoax isn't needed to pass it"

It might have been different if the idiotic Republicans didn't allow this to go to a "super majority" vote.

I guess the cowards were too afraid they might be branded of the party against peace or the liberal "war monger" phrase. 
I disagree with many on the right who claim that Obama's argument that it is either this deal or war.   I think it is more accurately war vs a nuclear Iran.

No "deal" will stop them.  And the military and Obamster have decided to allow them to have nucs.  The whole deal thing is just con game of the American Public anyway.

 


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« Reply #584 on: August 31, 2015, 07:27:29 PM »
Consistent constitutional standards are simply not progressive.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/08/31/for-progressives-first-amendment-comes-i

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #585 on: September 22, 2015, 08:58:04 PM »
If there isn't a thread for this Pope, I'll put it here.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424365/pop-francis-left-poverty-social-teaching

The Left Has Its Pope
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by THOMAS SOWELL
September 22, 2015 12:00 AM

 Pope Francis has created political controversy, both inside and outside the Catholic Church, by blaming capitalism for many of the problems of the poor. We can no doubt expect more of the same during his visit to the United States.

Pope Francis is part of a larger trend of the rise of the political left among Catholic intellectuals. He is, in a sense, the culmination of that trend.

There has long been a political left among Catholics, as among other Americans. Often they were part of the pragmatic left, as in the many old Irish-run, big-city political machines that dispensed benefits to the poor in exchange for their votes, as somewhat romantically depicted in the movie classic, “The Last Hurrah.”

But there has also been a more ideological left. Where the Communists had their official newspaper, the Daily Worker, there was also the Catholic Worker published by Dorothy Day.

A landmark in the evolution of the ideological left among Catholics was a publication in the 1980s, by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, titled “Pastoral Letter on Catholic Social Teaching and the U.S. Economy.”

Although this publication was said to be based on Catholic teachings, one of its principal contributors, Archbishop Rembert Weakland, said: “I think we should be up front and say that really we took this from the Enlightenment era.”

The specifics of the Bishops’ Pastoral Letter reflect far more of the secular Enlightenment of the 18th century than of Catholic traditions. Archbishop Weakland admitted that such an Enlightenment figure as Thomas Paine “is now coming back through a strange channel.”

Strange indeed. Paine rejected the teachings of “any church that I know of,” including “the Roman church.” He said: “My own mind is my own church.“ Nor was Paine unusual among the leading figures of the 18th century Enlightenment.

To base social or moral principles on the philosophy of the 18th-century Enlightenment and then call the result “Catholic teachings” suggests something like bait-and-switch advertising.

But, putting aside religious or philosophical questions, we have more than two centuries of historical evidence of what has actually happened as the ideas of people like those Enlightenment figures were put into practice in the real world — beginning with the French Revolution and its disastrous aftermath.

It is not poverty, but prosperity, that needs explaining.
Both the authors of the Bishops’ Pastoral Letter in the 1980s, and Pope Francis today, blithely throw around the phrase “the poor,” and blame poverty on what other people are doing or not doing to or for “the poor.“

Any serious look at the history of human beings over the millennia shows that the species began in poverty. It is not poverty, but prosperity, that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires many things — none of which is equally distributed around the world or even within a given society.

Geographic settings are radically different, both among nations and within nations. So are demographic differences, with some nations and groups having a median age over 40 and others having a median age under 20. This means that some groups have several times as much adult work experience as others. Cultures are also radically different in many ways.

As distinguished economic historian David S. Landes put it, “The world has never been a level playing field.” But which has a better track record of helping the less fortunate — fighting for a bigger slice of the economic pie, or producing a bigger pie?

In 1900, only 3 percent of American homes had electric lights but more than 99 percent had them before the end of the century. Infant mortality rates were 165 per thousand in 1900 and seven per thousand by 1997. By 2001, most Americans living below the official poverty line had central air conditioning, a motor vehicle, cable television with multiple TV sets, and other amenities.

A scholar specializing in the study of Latin America said that the official poverty level in the United States is the upper middle class in Mexico. The much-criticized market economy of the United States has done far more for the poor than the ideology of the Left.

Pope Francis’ own native Argentina was once among the leading economies of the world, before it was ruined by the kind of ideological notions he is now promoting around the world.

— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. His website is www.tsowell.com. © 2015 Creators Syndicate Inc.
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Cognitive Dissonance of the left - A previous Pope schools Pope Francis
« Reply #586 on: September 28, 2015, 08:52:56 PM »
"The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property. A person who is deprived of something he can call "his own", and of the possibility of earning a living through his own initiative, comes to depend on the social machine and on those who control it. This makes it much more difficult for him to recognize his dignity as a person, and hinders progress towards the building up of an authentic human community."

   - Pope John Paul II, CENTESIMUS ANNUS ENCYCLICAL LETTER, May, 1991

http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_01051991_centesimus-annus.html

Hat tip Steve Hayward

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left, Pope Francis' Economics
« Reply #587 on: September 28, 2015, 09:02:18 PM »
 In 1896, income per person in the United States and Argentina, two of the richest countries in the world, was about identical. Argentina subsequently eschewed the free market, replacing it with trade protectionism and other corporatist policies intended to help the poor by redistributing wealth. By 2010, Argentine income was a third of that of the United States.   - Ian Vasquez, Cato  http://www.cato.org/blog/pope-francis-graph-day


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #588 on: September 28, 2015, 09:05:38 PM »
A perfect piece of ammo for me in a conversation in which I am engaged!

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« Reply #589 on: October 07, 2015, 06:11:31 AM »

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Cognitive Dissonance of the left: Median Income down under Obama
« Reply #590 on: October 07, 2015, 08:08:33 AM »
Written previously on the forum, every time we let in one more low income person, legally or legally, the median income goes down even if the income of every person went marginally up.  This made a nice attack line for the left against Bush.  Now they eat/own their words.  Also hurting median income, jobs and worker is income is the attack against new business investment.
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During Ronald Reagan’s first six years in office, GDP grew 22% while the median income grew 6% (see chart 1). During Bill Clinton’s first six years, GDP grew 24%; median income, 11%. But growth began to slow in the 2000s, undermining both the mean and the median. In George Bush’s first six years GDP rose 16%, but median incomes fell 2%. Under Mr Obama it has been even worse: GDP is up 8% and median income is down 4%
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21620199-america-getting-richer-most-voters-cant-feel-it-woes-average-joe

“our current problems with incomes are neither a long-term feature of the U.S. economy nor merely an after-effect of the 2008-2009 financial upheaval.”
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2015/03/06-household-income-growth-kamarck


http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/20/median-income-falls-20-year-low/

The most interesting point in the above chart is that Hillary wants to govern more like Obama than Clinton.

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« Reply #591 on: October 11, 2015, 10:02:19 AM »

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Re: Looting 101 Now Offered at Yale
« Reply #592 on: October 11, 2015, 07:41:43 PM »
From the no feces file:

http://offgridsurvival.com/yale-ethics-of-looting/

Unaware that without the police, the citizenry will revert to shooting looters quickly.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #593 on: October 12, 2015, 10:13:08 PM »
We already have good answers in this thread like "running out of other people's money" and "the fundamental error of socialism" by Pope John Paul II.  As as we come into tomorrow's Democratic Socialist Party extravaganza with Bernie and the gang, the need to be able to fully explain to any young or impressionable voter you may encounter, why not socialism, has never been greater.


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“Socialism has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”     - Thomas Sowell


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"We Were Losing 800,000 Jobs a Month"
« Reply #597 on: October 19, 2015, 06:33:39 PM »
"We Were Losing 800,000 Jobs a Month"

A Bernie Sanders Line now being used by Hillary Clinton.

 - On the day President Obama took office, he says.

Meaning it's George Bush's fault.  Still.

But whose fault was it?  What happened?  Why were we losing jobs?  Because Capitalism failed?

No.  That isn't what failed and the market's collapse (2008) wasn't in response wasn't to George Bush being elected President (Nov. 2000), it was to the incoming Congress of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Hillary, Biden, Kerry, (and Trump?), January 2007.

Nor was it a reaction to the George Bush tax rate cuts.  Revenues grew by double digits in the years following full implementation of the tax rate cuts and jobs grew for 51 consecutive months. 

Markets collapsed in anticipation of the fact that pro-growth economic policies would be very soon be coming to a screaching halt.

Where were Hillary and Obama on the days preceding the "the day President Obama took office"?  On the sidelines, innocently watching and waiting?

No.  They were the de facto leaders of the Congress promising to bring an end to the growth aspects of the Bush economic agenda.  And that they did.


My suggestion:  Win this argument or lose this election.

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The clock ticks on...
« Reply #598 on: October 21, 2015, 07:20:49 AM »

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #599 on: October 21, 2015, 07:30:41 AM »
As usual Steyn says the truth just as good as does Rush.