http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/314911-paul-cries-uncle-offers-christie-beer
I too find substantial elements of intellectual sloppiness in Paul e.g. his claim that the Constitution requires approval for what Baraq proposes here-- what about the War Powers Act? I'm not saying that I have the answer here, I don't, but I think he should address the point.
Rubio continues to impress me as too young, and susceptible to getting rolled (e.g. immigration "reform"), but I am glad to read of your account of his preparation and comportment here.
I would also draw attention to Cruz. Amongst the three of them, he has impressed me the most with expressing good guiding principles without making sloppy, inadvertent, or over the top comments that can later come back to bite him as sound bit.
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – Long Island Congressman Peter King has thrown his hat in the 2016 presidential ring.
Interesting.
A tangential observation: some/most of us here disapproved when Obama failed to defend the DOMA. What say we now with this?
WTF?!? :cry: :cry: :cry:
Doug, thanks. Maybe I misread the article of have misunderstood Parker and
I have not made political persuasion a study but I always saw her as leftist:
http://www.conservativehq.com/node/14524
I could swear I saw Huckabee's name appear at the top of a poll cited on FOX the other day , , ,
Nominees for the Democratic ticket will be:
Hillary for Prez
Elizabeth Warren for V Prez
Can only one imagine the liberal and their MSM hoopla over this?
They will trumpet this as the seminal turning point in human civilization.
May I ask you to briefly restate your objections to him? My impression from his FOX show is that he has much to recommend him, though I think he would lose against Hillary.
May I ask you to briefly restate your objections to him? My impression from his FOX show is that he has much to recommend him, though I think he would lose against Hillary.
Whoever it is must have what it takes to beat the Hillary, her machine, the Pravdas, and women voters who will vote for her because she is a woman.
Bland, competent, white male with good record will NOT be enough.
Obama is working at reducing the numbers of all working people.
Obama is working at reducing the numbers of all working people.
True. That cuts both ways politically. People may want to vote to protect benefits, but may want to vote for better opportunities for their offspring. Obama couldn't run on his agenda again - now that it is fully exposed. Decreasing workforce opportunities isn't what made Bill Clinton appear successful. Quite the opposite. I fail to see how some old, white, rich Grandma is going to excite minorities, young people, or working whites about their prospects for the future continuing the same, failed policies.
If you and your family really are dependent on government benefits, you should vote for the side that will grow the economy and revenues that fund our support system.
:roll:
This is where I vote 3rd party or don't even bother.
:roll:
This is where I vote 3rd party or don't even bother.
That is why he is announcing this so early - to give us more time to recover from the initial stomach emptying reaction. He is not my candidate. But, ... He was a successful, two term governor, an otherwise divided state, the only Republican to ever serve two full four-year terms as Governor of Florida. Many of the better policy oriented candidates have no executive experience. He was considered the most conservative of the 3 Bushes in politics. His record in Florida was more conservative than Reagan's was in California (they say). This will be a long, substantive campaign (I think). He will be known for his own strengths and weaknesses more than family name by the end of it. Support for "Common Core" and amnesty look like his big obstacles to me.
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John Hinderacker has an anyone but jeb Bush column out. He admits that his current favorite is Marco Rubio
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/12/anyone-but-jeb-bush-pretty-much.php
"Hillary Clinton ... can be had by someone younger: a fresh face, a new voice, someone who changes the dynamic. Pretty much anyone but a Bush, in other words.
...
Polling data suggest that there are more conservatives in the U.S. than there are Republicans. There certainly are plenty of conservatives to put a Republican presidential candidate over the top. But they need a strong candidate to rally behind. This cycle, I think there are a number of Republicans who could fit that description–Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio (my current favorite), maybe Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal or John Kasich, maybe Chris Christie if he can define himself as a conservative. There are others who could jump into the race, both plausible candidates (John Thune) and less plausible (Ben Carson)."
I am so sick of the republican structure pushing democrat-lite candidates. I will not vote for them again. I will worry about local issues and ignore the national goat rope.
I am pretty excited about the run to Iowa and NH, for both parties. For real.
http://io9.com/80-of-americans-support-mandatory-labels-on-foods-cont-1680277802?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Why bother?
Thanks for the URL of the transcript Doug.Again, http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-freedom-partners-forum-ted-cruz-rand-paul/story?id=28491534&singlePage=true
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/david-brock-resigns-priorities-usa-action-115028.html
" I can picture her as a VP candidate; she'd make a very good "pit bull with lipstick" going after Hillary"
She would be better than Palin who has no depth beyond what we saw in her Republican Convention speech.
There are a lot of federal laws the Clintons don't want enforced.
Hillary Rodham Clinton Gaining Favor, Times/CBS Poll Says
Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to have initially weathered a barrage of news about her use of a private email account when she was secretary of state and the practices of her family’s foundation, an indication that she is starting her second presidential bid with an unusual durability among Democratic voters.
Americans now view Mrs. Clinton more favorably and as a stronger leader than they did earlier in the year, despite weeks of scrutiny about her ethics, a New York Times/CBS News poll has found. And nearly nine in 10 Democrats say the nation is ready to elect a female president.
READ MORE »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/us/politics/hillary-clinton-gains-favor-times-cbs-poll-says.html?emc=edit_na_20150505
Interesting. Would be willing to elaborate?
"People will do anything to remain politically correct, even if it means losing their rear end... "
The internet has really been a boom for the Left. With immediate excoriating, shaming, marginalizing, and ridiculing of anyone who opposes their world view. .
It seems to work. Who wants their face going around the world being shamed
Couldn't have come at a worse time for America.
The Right cannot compete. Just can't.
Even Fox is in retreat. I didn't hear much comment at all about the recent SCOTUS decisions. Almost like they ignored them.
Must be hoping for JEB. Appease appease appease while the LEFT keeps moving forward with their shoulders in driving us back with zero thoughts of retreat.
http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/15/cruz-and-the-donald-to-meet-in-nyc/
"It is all unraveling for Clinton. So, will the Obama safety net hold? If it doesn't, we will have a Republican president"
Take it from Dick. And Romney was a great President too.... as predicted.
So say Jeb could beat Hillary. What have we won? I say not much.
What's the point. His father was great with Iraq with the caveat that he established a serious precedent of turning over our sovereignty to the court of public opinion on at least war decisions. His brother was great with 911. But otherwise not much else. Bushes are not able to reset conservative values. I don't hear Jeb saying anything that is impressive, convincing, or even motivating that is not just status quo, appeasing, compromising, in and bed with the lobbyists speak.
Jeb is Hillary lite IMHO.
I will stay home if it is him or someone like him.
Even Christie has my ear and has sounded better! I might even be able to give HIM another chance. :-o But no more Bushes.
Overall, I thought it was a well run debate with good questions and good to very good performances from most of the candidates.
"From a Democratic standpoint, a moderate-conservative Republican ticket representing the two largest swing states would be cause for concern. In fact, Bush-Kasich would be scary, and Kasich-Rubio even more so."
Bush Kasich is most scary to me forget about the Democrats. These two are Democrat-lites.
WSJ forgets that Bush senior went from an approval rating of over 90% from the Iraq Kuwait invasion to less than 50% by 1991.
Bush jr. went from 90% to 26%.
But no matter. He is their guy.
Kasich is a liberal with a Republican label.
Rubio I am still not sure.
I don't see why Cruz is mentioned as a plausible but Fiorina, Jindal, and others are not.
The WSJ may as well be the Huffington post as far as I am concerned.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/al-gore-insiders-figuring-out-if-theres-a-path-for-him-to-ru#.qgRKwwE93
I gave $20 each to Carson and Fiorina this morning.
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It is certainly enjoyable to see her squirm (with a cloth or something) but it will take a lot more to knock her unconscious.
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Even the Feminist CNN though replayed the snarky wiping response this morning. If the lib gals at CNN even do this then there really is a crack in the machine.
:-D :-D :lol: :lol: :lol:
The 14th Amendment argument will be a very tough one to make too. There is a lot of headwind against the reading Trump is advocating, even from a lot of right of center talking heads.
Trump nailed the CNN reporter tonight. Thousands of people for Trump and CNN wanted to ask him about a couple of protesters present.
Cantor endorses Bush.....Bush should have said "don't do me any favors".
Trump nailed the CNN reporter tonight. Thousands of people for Trump and CNN wanted to ask him about a couple of protesters present.
Cantor endorses Bush.....Bush should have said "don't do me any favors".
Just to be clear, unless things change I'd certainly vote for Trump over any of the Dems. I'm just saying we need to see a lot more before putting our good name in his hands.
Bush new campaign photo
For a bit of fun, predictions on the first five candidates to drop out?
For a bit of fun, predictions on the first five candidates to drop out?
If you accept that Wall Street and Big Money are behind all the political manuevering, then here is something to consider from Sundance at Conservative Treehouse.
1. Wall Street and Big Money are pulling the strings, along with groups like the COC.
2. The plan was to get Jeb into the presidency, and if not him, settle for Hillary. (They are one and the same.)
3. Bush is failing because of Trump. They must get Trump out if they can.
4. If they cannot get Trump out and he proves inevitable, then they must get Hillary out because Trump would take her out as well.
5. This leads to the movement to get Biden in, with Warren as VP. It is believed that this could thwart Trump.
Of course, if you do not believe that our politics is manipulated, then all of this means nothing.
Recent Poll results after the debate
CNN/ORC
Trump: 24%
Fiorina: 15%
Carson: 14%
Rubio: 11%
Bush: 9%
Walker < .5% ...
Putting aside the merits of the issue, it seems to me that we here need to recognize that if someone was brought here illegally as a baby or young child and has grown up here and feels and thinks he is an American, speaks English only, etc it is going to be seriously bad politics to say he should be shipped to a "home" he does not remember where the language is one he does not.
I would love to see more emphasis on polls that pit each Rep vs. Hillary, each Rep vs. Biden, and each Rep vs. Sanders.
Of course I get the relevance of likely Rep primary voter polls, but we should remember to keep our eye on winning the White House.
Well. that has a way of clarifying things a bit!
Trump loses to Sanders by 16 points?!? To Hillary by 10?!? To Biden by 21?!? Indeed ALL the Reps lose to Biden?!?
Who could have seen THIS coming?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rubio-hits-trump-eminent-domain_1042161.html
Rubio Hits Trump on Eminent Domain
10:50 AM, OCT 7, 2015 • BY JOHN MCCORMACK
Manchester, N.H.
Florida senator Marco Rubio responded Wednesday morning to Donald Trump's comment that the use of eminent domain for private projects is a "wonderful thing."
"He's wrong," Rubio told THE WEEKLY STANDARD following a campaign event at a tech company in New Hampshire. "In Florida when I was a state legislator, we passed what has become model legislation for other states around the country--that I actually passed--both a law and a constitutional amendment that keeps developers like Donald Trump from using eminent domain to take private property away from an owner and give it to another private owner, which is what the Kelo decision said should be legal unless states barred it. So he's wrong about that. One of the most important rights Americans have is private property."
In an interview Tuesday evening with Bret Baier on Fox News, Trump praised the government's seizing private property from individuals in order to "build this massive development that’s going to employ thousands of people, or you’re going to build a factory, that without this little house, you can’t build the factory."
Conservative commentators widely criticized Trump for supporting the government trampling on individual rights.
http://www.law360.com/articles/709025/transcanada-to-drop-keystone-xl-eminent-domain-suits (http://www.law360.com/articles/709025/transcanada-to-drop-keystone-xl-eminent-domain-suits)
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-on-keystone-xl-eminent-domain-i-respectfully-dissent/article/2544461 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-on-keystone-xl-eminent-domain-i-respectfully-dissent/article/2544461)
http://insideclimatenews.org/content/keystone-xl-texas-high-court-gives-hope-landowners-eminent-domain-fight (http://insideclimatenews.org/content/keystone-xl-texas-high-court-gives-hope-landowners-eminent-domain-fight)
Here are three of many articles.
See? Not quite so black and white......
Dem debate....this is worse than painful..........at least Anderson is being a bit aggressive.
First time listening to Sanders....yawn.
Malley boring.....
Chaffee a "blockhead" of granite.....
Webb......fell asleep.....
Hillary, when does she get hit by lightening?
Doug,
For the vast majority of these people it is about the money.
They want the socialist welfare state.
They want the rest of us to pay for them.
They won't tell us that but that is it.
Don't you agree?
change "illegal" to "undocumented" to "dreamer"
change "global warming" to "climate change"
change "gun control" to "gun safety"
One can hear the damn liberal university schyster professor thinking to him/herself how smart he is by using the child psychology on us. Nothing more the simple propaganda and lies basically.
Unfortunately the libs control the airways and media so the overt propaganda is presented as fact and truth.
Yep we are screwed.
http://neveryetmelted.com/2015/10/14/james-webbs-debate/
Choices.
Could it be that those centric and reasonable sounding Dems will go to Trump in the general election? Word is that he is getting significant Reagan Democrat support...
Could it be that those centric and reasonable sounding Dems will go to Trump in the general election? Word is that he is getting significant Reagan Democrat support...
Could it be that those centric and reasonable sounding Dems will go to Trump in the general election? Word is that he is getting significant Reagan Democrat support...
This could be, if there are any. It's hard to know where Trump is getting all his support from. I am limited to studying it here with a sample size of one. )
Here is Bernie, but the point is that they all basically agreed with him:
“I think most Americans understand that our country today faces a series of unprecedented crises,”... “The middle class of this country for the last 40 years has been disappearing. Millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages, and yet almost all of the new income and wealth being created is going to the top one percent.”
Sanders always frames his complaint over a longer period than the Obama Presidency and neglects to mention that Democrats including Hillary and Obama controlled the domestic agenda in Washington via the Pelosi-Reid Congress for the two years before Obama took office. Still, what can be said of Obama economics and what should have been driven home in 2012 about President Obama and his economic agenda: he made it worse.
The answer according to everyone on the stage was - do more of everything that made it worse.
He bases his position on all the places where marxism has worked, like....um....well....
He bases his position on all the places where marxism has worked, like....um....well....
Was I the only one who took Bernie's wish for the USA to be more like Denmark to be racist?
The Danish population is extremely homogenous. As of 2000, 97 percent are Danes (ethnic Scandinavians), and the rest are Inuit (Eskimo), Faroese, and Germans.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Denmark.aspx
Bernie, America 2016 is not your grandfather's Vermont.
As in Sweden, the world's most generous safety net works (worked) only in a monolithic culture that includes a universal work ethic. In the less productive sectors in America, that went the way of the choomg gang. In Norway, oil revenues balance the equation. Let's drill offshore and in Alaska to copy the Scandinavians. In all of them, add in a dose of over run borders and the apple cart tips very easily on its side.
I like the idea of a Trump - Carson team. Let Carson work on health care issues directed by Trump.
This would have full cross over appeal, especially since Trumpeteers know that he would control Carson and his even more liberal leanings. Of course, the GOPe will still have the plans in effect that would derail Trump in the Convention.
Joe Biden not running.
Joe Biden not running.
One dumbsh*t liberal wacko down, two to go.
This means Hillary will not be indicted. Joe knows.
OTOH Joe frequently gets it wrong :lol:
Iowa
Carson leading Trrump 28 to 20
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2291[/
(http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2291)
Doug,
You are correct. Any GOP candidate will be running against the Dems, Hillary, the media, and the free giveaways. That is why I see Hillary winning. (From all indications, Trump would also be running against a large portion of his own party.)
The country is screwed..................
Huckabee won Iowa in 2008 and Santorum did so in 2012. The evengelical vote and the unique process in Iowa make it a sui generis state and in the present election one uniquely favorable to Carson.
Catching my eye as a small but perhaps telling moment is a late night Trump tweet explaining the Iowa poll by saying Monsanto corn must have rotted the pollees views. He thought better of it , , , and blamed the post on an aide/intern. :roll: As we say in NY "Yeah, right." :roll:
This was a "retweet" of what some person had tweeted earlier. Obviously, the original tweet was a joke. Should it have been retweeted? No..............but if this is going to change somones viewpoint, then that person would not have gone for Trump anyway.
Of course, this tweet was way far worse than what Hillary says about Republicans..........
This was a "retweet" of what some person had tweeted earlier. Obviously, the original tweet was a joke. Should it have been retweeted? No..............but if this is going to change somones viewpoint, then that person would not have gone for Trump anyway.
Of course, this tweet was way far worse than what Hillary says about Republicans..........
A joke, yes. Poll numbers down, blame the pollees. Don't think Trump is laughing much about what could be trend line down. There isn't aline to follow his favorite one which is that I am leading in all the polls.
This was dangerously close to catching a Manhattan New Yorker making fun of Iowa or Iowans. A Walker aide lost his job over that - and he was from a neighboring state.
Trump's strength of (saying/writing whatever comes to mind) is also his weakness - and may be his downfall.
Gravis Poll out. Trump leading nationally, 35.6% to 21.7% over Carson. Internals provided which were not done with the NYT/CBS poll.
"Who's on first? What's on second.....?"
http://www.oann.com/pollnational/ (http://www.oann.com/pollnational/)
(http://d2pggiv3o55wnc.cloudfront.net/oann/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/gop-777x300.png)
The GOP, COC, media and CFG have all stepped up to push Carson and Rubio at this point. But time is running short.
Trump must be negated by the beginning of the primaries for Rubio to move forward. Anything else is too late. If he starts winning primaries, then he will increase in strength. Also, his money will allow him to continue after March 15.
These next two debates are the key to eliminating Trump. If he gets past them with little damage done, then barring a Trump self destruction, he should go into the first primaries in pretty good shape.
If Trump can be taken care of and gotten out, Carson becomes a much easier target especially after March 15. Prevent him from winning too many primaries, and then without Trump, the road is clear for Rubio.
Cruz is not a real factor unless Carson supporters will move to him in large numbers.
CD,
a. Trump has defended the plan many times. As to having the lower income not paying any taxes, he has said that for most of them, it costs more to process the tax return than what is paid. Good point on that.
b. Haven't heard anything on the Rubio plan since he presented it.
c. Huckabee will have problems with the National Sales Tax from the Dems and the poor. Sales Tax is regressive in nature for the lower income. So there will have to be some sort of exemptions to offset the regressive nature.
d. The Carson Flat Tax is interesting, but the parameters must be fleshed out.
e. Paul has to get out soon and focus upon his Senate Seat.
f. Snarly? Is she still around?
VAT is a surefire way to really cripple our economy.
Cruz did the Gingrich moment attacking the media. Moderators don't know what to do.
He just "won" the debate. His standing will increase significantly.
"It's time for Reince Priebus to be fired,"
Yup. Clean them all out.
I vote for Doug to take over the party. Or probably not popular here but Bobby Jindal. :-D
Doug,
So you plan on going to a lot of "state" funerals in place of Crafty?
Doug,
If it takes GOPe shenanigans in the convention to get Rubio nominated, then a large part of the GOP insurrection group will sit out, throwing the election to Hillary. Why bother to vote when the GOPe does not listen to its members, but instead to what Wall Street, the COC and other special interest groups
Doug,
First, do you think that Trumps' reputation means anything to him? If he is not "honest" to the point that he can be, he will destroy his "brand". There ends his business career and also future profits.
If he details point by point how he is going to get rid of the illegals, he is doing the same damned thing that Obama did in Iraq. "We are leaving Iraq in 2011, pulling everyone out." And what happened, the enemy laid low until we left, and then there went the country..........all the lives and money wasted. This is the same thing that will occur if Trump details a complete plan.
Why isn't anyone asking for all the details on immigration from Rubio, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina or others? Why are they not asked what they will do and how they will accomplish it? Isn't it fair to ask them the same thing?
As to attacking before Rubio does surge, doesn't that make sense tactically? Why let Rubio gain ground where he can take control when you can stop him before that point?
One question.
What presidential candidate does not lie?
Doug:
If you have Internet access, you can go to the Fox Business Network site, and watch the debate live online. Also - many local Fox affiliates are carrying the debate on their channel tonight.
Santorum in the debate Tax Proposal
Flat Tax
20% on Corporations
20% on People
What the hell? Doesn't he understand that the 20% on corporations will be passed on to the consumer? But I guess that this is happening anyway now, so it makes no difference.
Did RNC pack debate audience with Rubio supporters?
http://dcwhispers.com/say-it-aint-so-marco-gop-stuffed-debate-hall-with-pro-rubio-supporters/ (http://dcwhispers.com/say-it-aint-so-marco-gop-stuffed-debate-hall-with-pro-rubio-supporters/)
Doug,
How can you advance the interests of the Party, when the party only cares about itself and just continuing to serve corporate interests only? The GOPe regularly dismisses what their supporters want, and then do what benefits themselves financially? Think Boehner and McConnell................
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I guess that you see a much greater difference in the two parties than I do. There may be significant differences on Gun Control but not much else.
I guess that you see a much greater difference in the two parties than I do. There may be significant differences on Gun Control but not much else.
Distracted by the problems on our side, I think you are in denial of exactly where the Democrat party is today.
Maybe others can help fill in the details here, let's get this list of questions right.
Do you believe government should set your pay, your benefits, your hours, and all your work rules?
Do you think government should own or control all businesses?
Do you think Derek Jeeter's batboy should make the same income as Derek Jeeter (or same analogy for some other great performer) and the same as some guy too drunk or high to work at all?
Are you ready for world government to replace all cities, counties, states, countries and private decision making?
Should (world government) decide how much water you can use, how much energy, what kind of energy you can use?
Would you like government to decide for you what you eat, when you eat, how much you can eat? How about what you drink?
Would you like them to decide for you what you can drive, when you can drive, how far you can drive?
Would you like them to decide for you where you can live, how big your house can be, what it is made out of, and have routine inspections?
Would you like them to decide for you that you cannot fly, while they jet unlimited distances to advance their control over you?
Would you like them to decide when you can speak, where you can speak and what you can say?
Are you ready to have all of us register and then surrender our weapons? (I think you already conceded this point.)
Do you think they should be able to take your home on a whim? (Okay, skip that one.)
If so, you may be a Democrat.
Do you think I exaggerate?
Do you think someone like Rubio or Carson or Ryan, Priebus, Gigot, Boehner or McConnell are the same as today's Dem on these points?
I don't.
Okay, this article, if true, shows how stupid the GOPe is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html)
"According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans, who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest."
The late entry strategy would consist of invoking Rule 40 for Romney.
There is no way I would ever vote for the 4th Stooge, Romney.
I am live blogging, just kind of a slow typist.
Everyone is asking where is the Jindal 0% support going to.......... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Kasich: Yeah, weird-- and it will hit a lot of people that way.
If you looked at the Trump thread, the WAPO poll had a 23% Republican Sample, 33% was Dem with the rest Independent.
How can anyone trust a poll using a 23% Rep sample?
No matter what party affiliation you consider, Trump brings them out. Republicans, Democrats and independents are all most likely to show up if Trump is on the ballot. (In our analysis, we assumed a constant variable: the Democrats nominating Hillary Clinton.)
Not only do they show up to vote, but they vote for Trump. He's got the highest percentage of voters — across both parties and independents.
The Q poll is only one of two polls that shows Hillary beating all Reps. All other polls either show a time or in most cases, the Rep beating Hillary, and in huge numbers. Even the NBC polls are showing Reps beating Hillary.
Q has been the most out of line poll of all the polls being done. It appears to under poll on Trump by about 10 points and over polls on Rubio significantly as compared to other polls.
What might be in effect with this poll is the "holiday factor". Polls done during holiday periods are well known for being significantly wrong.
"I simply do not believe that a majority of voters would choose Hillary over Trump or Cruz or Rubio,"
I hope your right Objectivist, but I am not so sure.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427854/marco-rubio-ted-cruz-split-conservatives
Rather than a massive NSA dragnet, you could actually do aggressive police work and target bad guys and their networks. Like the ton of uncollected evidence left at the berdoo jihadi lair.
Considering that scenario as Priebus and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) listened, several longtime power brokers argued that if the controversial billionaire storms through the primaries, the party’s establishment must lay the groundwork for a floor fight, in which the GOP’s mainstream wing could coalesce around an alternative, the people said.
“The RNC is neutral in this process and the rules are set until the convention begins next July. Our goal is to ensure a successful nomination and that requires us thinking through every scenario, including a contested convention.”
Attendees included Ward Baker, executive director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee; Rob Simms, his counterpart at the National Republican Congressional Committee; Ron Kaufman, an RNC committeeman and Mitt Romney confidant; and pollster Linda DiVall. Whit Ayres, an adviser to Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), and Vin Weber, an ally of former Florida governor Jeb Bush, also were there, among others.
RNC members will huddle in January in South Carolina to discuss the convention. Although no rule changes can be implemented until the convention, the people familiar with the meeting said top Republicans would like to begin that winter meeting with more clarity about how the RNC would handle a contested convention.
Two things:
1. Trump can't get over 35% now. Well what about the other candidates? If they can't beat Trump here, how can they beat Hillary?
2. Again, what will the GOP say to the Trump supporters to get them to support their pick? The party cannot win the presidency without the Trump supporters.
IMO, I just see the professional political class once again imposing their own views on the party. And they will leave the party with more ineffective leadership.
Two things:
1. Trump can't get over 35% now. Well what about the other candidates? If they can't beat Trump here, how can they beat Hillary?
2. Again, what will the GOP say to the Trump supporters to get them to support their pick? The party cannot win the presidency without the Trump supporters.
IMO, I just see the professional political class once again imposing their own views on the party. And they will leave the party with more ineffective leadership.
1. Yes, we wouldn't be discussing this if one of the others was polling well over 50%.
2. That goes both ways. They need to unify to win in spite of what you say about Trump's crossover appeal.
3. Rubio doesn't win if he is mainly seen as a professional politician, you are right. He must be seen as an agent of change to win. He will also be seen in contrast to Hillary. The perception of hanging around Washington too long will fall on her, not the first term senator. She will try to paint him as tea party extremist, not Washington establishment. All the accusations now that he is too moderate and centrist will only help him in the general election.
I prefer the Huffington Post which is tracking 33 different pollsters and not a selective few.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary)
Pat wrote:
"I see now that PAC reform is needed. The Citizen's United ruling though correct, left too many ways to exploit campaign laws."
Disagree completely.
SCOTUS has held (Buckley v. Valeo?) that individuals cannot be blocked from spending their own money on their own speech. Are you against this too? Or only against others raising money to compete?
THANKS in great part to Citizens United, we now have the most competitive race any of us have ever seen.
In short, the Progressive Republicans have attempted to transfer the act of official voting for the purpose of determining the party’s nominee from the convention delegates to the voters in primaries and caucuses.
This destruction of the rights of the Republican individuals who have succeeded in earning the high honor of becoming a delegate to the National Convention of their chosen party is unconscionable.
Each delegate to the Republican National Convention has a rules protected right and a constitutionally guaranteed right to vote their conscience on all matters that come before the convention.
Like the other First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and religion, the freedom to choose those with whom you associate politically carries with it the right to participate in the private affairs of that association without interference from the government or others who are not associated with you, such as non-Republican primary voters.
In the 2000 National Convention, the order of the Rules of the Republican Party was inexplicably reversed. Prior to 2000, the rules were in proper chronological order with the PROCEEDINGS OF NATIONAL CONVENTION first, then followed by THE RULES FOR THE ELECTION AND GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE until the next convention.
This subtle change gives the false impression that the rules printed AHEAD of the temporary rules for the next convention actually apply to the next convention!
They simply do not. The preamble is clear and unambiguous, even given the reversal of the rules order, where it states “…the following…are adopted as the Rules of the Republican Party, composed of the rules for the election and government of the Republican National Committee until the next national convention…” Keep in mind, these are the 2012 party rules.
In other words, the current Republican National Committee ceases to exist when the 2016 Republican National Convention convenes and, if re-authorized, a new Republican National Committee will re-organize following the convention to govern the party until the 2020 convention.
In short, the Progressive Republicans have attempted to transfer the act of official voting for the purpose of determining the party’s nominee from the convention delegates to the voters in primaries and caucuses.
This destruction of the rights of the Republican individuals who have succeeded in earning the high honor of becoming a delegate to the National Convention of their chosen party is unconscionable.
"For the record, the more I learn about Cruz's weakness on military budget the more concerned I am about this aspect of his candidacy , , ,"
Please post Bret Stephens column today - The Cruz Imposture - if possible.
I don't know people say that Trump can't get Mexico to pay for the wall?
He has gotten the media to pay for his campaign. :-D :-D :-D
The polls are using the same population sample and asking preference in the Primary and then doing Head to Head Samples. So how can there be such a difference?
Trump is the biggest gainer since our last national poll in mid-November, going from 26% to 34%. He’s also become more broadly popular with GOP voters, with his favorability rating going from 51/37 up to 58/34.
Trump’s hold on the Republican electorate holds true with most segments of the party. He leads with 36% among voters most concerned with having a nominee who’s conservative on the issues, and with 34% among voters most concerned about being able to beat a Democrat in the fall. He leads among both Evangelicals with 35%, and among non-Evangelicals with 33%.
He leads with both women (34%) and men (also 34%). He leads with both younger voters (38%) and seniors (32%).
There are only 2 groups of the electorate Trump doesn’t lead with- the closely related groups of Tea Party and ‘very conservative’ voters. Cruz has the upper hand with each of those. He’s at 38% with ‘very conservative’ voters to 32% for Trump, with no one else getting more than 8%. And he’s at 41% with Tea Party voters to 32% for Trump with no one else getting more than 9%.
Cruz has been the second biggest gainer since our last poll, going from 14% to 18%. There are other positive signs for Cruz in the poll. He’s the most frequent second choice of GOP voters with 14% picking him on that front to 10% each for Carson and Trump. He’s also the second pick of Trump voters specifically (25% to 13% for Carson) so he’s well positioned to benefit if Trump ever does falter.
Marco Rubio is really treading water. He was at 13% last month, and he’s at 13% this month. He’s losing second choice support- 13% said he was their next man up in November, now it’s just 9%.
Looking at this Obama-Boehner-Ryan budget, what was needed was conservative strength and conservative leadership and it was needed way earlier in this process. It didn't come from anywhere in congress so it has to come from a new administration
[…] For the October, November, and December waves, all respondents from previous waves were contacted to participate. Recontact rates ranged from 42% to 53% for each state. In addition, new respondents were selected from the YouGov panel each wave. Approximately 60% of the October wave consists of reinterviews, with the remainder coming from new additions. Approximately 70% of the November wave consists of reinterviews from the previous waves, and approximately 90% of the December wave consists of reinterviews. (link and complex pdf methodology below)
In case no one notices, Lindsay Graham has dropped out of the race.
You are right. With Mrs. Graham out, Trump is finished..............again..................and again..................and again..........................
In case no one notices, Lindsay Graham has dropped out of the race.
This changes everything.
In case no one notices, Lindsay Graham has dropped out of the race.
So Jeff Greenfield who does not like Trump is not credible.
Would it have made any difference if Trump had said that Hillary got "screwed" in the election? Probably for the Trump haters..............but for the working class, no.
Actually, Trump's comment was GREAT. He uses a throw away line and the entire media is once again talking about it. More free publicity. Bet the rest of the candidates wish they were getting the publicity. (BTW, publicity is good even if it sounds bad. In this case, it just cements Trump supporters to him. Others will find the whole thing just another media hit job, and only the Trump deniers will jump on it.)
How many people do you actually think knew what schlong meant? Even more, how many really care? And if the media had not jumped on it, few would even know that the statement was ever made.
This is just another diversionary tactic to distract from what Trump is saying because the media and the elitists do not want their apple cart disrupted. Same as with Megyn Kelly and the bleeding comment. If you remember, Trump had previously made the same comment about a Fox male anchor. (So maybe the anchor was transgendered.) No one made a fuss at that time. Just when it was the Ice Princess Prima Donna Kelly.
Yes, let's bring back dignity with some weak kneed RINO candidate. That way, no one will pay attention to what is being passed that screws the middle class over again and again.
Let's also keep campaigning on subjects that will never be changed:
1. Abortion. It is here to stay, but it makes a good distraction from what is otherwise going on, and it keeps generating money for those on each side of the issue.
2. Defunding Planned Parenthood. Another distraction which will never be changed, but keeps bringing in money.
3. Balanced budget. Something else that will never be changed, except with tax increases. (Yeah, I know...Trump.)
4. Repeal of ObamaCare. It can never be fully repealed, only modified. After all, there are all these new people with insurance who are subsidized and if repealed, what happens there? Does one simply forget about that now?
5. Social Security reform. Neither side has the guts to do what is needed, so it will remain the same. But it does remain as another election distraction.
6. Immigration reform. Nothing substantial going to happen there. COC wants the cheap labor.
7. Military spending........more distraction. And more crony capitalism. Think the F-35 brought in to also serve as a replacement for the A-10. No military leader is going to take an F-35 and put it into a Close Air Support role. Too much danger of losing them to ground fire and other weapon systems. That is, even if it can dogfight.
I could go on and on but all of this stuff is designed to keep the American public divided and separated. That way, the DC elites and Wall Street can continue to reap the benefits at the expense of the people.
DMG,
I will reply to your posts later. Time to do some work.
Dick is fun to read and he does sometimes have a unique take but this:
"Ominous implications for Hillary"
Yeah sure. I'm holding my breath....
Wow. I think it is a CNN poll.
PP, check this out:
https://gma.yahoo.com/video/poll-results-show-trump-clinton-234317361.html
Crude grade school language "trumps" lies, sleaze, corruption :-D :-o :lol:
I am really beginning to love this!!!! Here is why:
19. Trump supporters will not go out and vote.
Gave $20 each to Cruz and Rubio today , , ,
Hat tip to Big Dog for this one:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_john_stossel/bettors_know_better_than_pundits
With Iran seizing and humiliating our sailors, tonight could be a perfect moment for Rubio to hit Cruz with a full broadside on his repeated votes against increasing military spending.
For good measure he could go after Trump for his open sympathy to the Russian-Iranian axis.
Any post debate polls?
Love the headline: "Lenin vs. Nurse Ratched"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261506/democratic-partys-choice-lenin-or-nurse-ratched-daniel-greenfield#.Vp4zTXZaZOM.facebook
http://www.dickmorris.com/brunch-alert-hillary-flailing-trump-cruz-exchange-fire-weekly-wrap-up/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
"On a related matter, I see Obama's numbers creep up."
Unbelievable how some will people will change their minds with the wind isn't it?
Either you agree with Brock or not. How can one change their minds from week to week?
Sickening.
I am quite happy to see this result.
Things that make you go hmmmm , , ,
Clinton 44 Sanders 42
Clinton 46 Trump 41
Clinton 45 Cruz 45
Clinton 41 Rubio 48
Sanders 49 Trump 39
Sanders 46 Cruz 42
Sanders 43 Rubio 43
I'd love to see a discussion of the implications of these numbers, especially the Sanders numbers. Along with this forum, Sanders is a big critic of the corruption between big business and the government. IMHO this is resonating strongly and our side should be making similar noises. Cruz shows courage and good instincts with regard to ethanol, but IMHO this is not enough. Isn't Sanders right when he calls for the reinstatement of Glass Steagal?
Can i cheat and pick the someone who has the best qualities, and none of the worst qualities of all 3? ...
At this point, I think Trump has the nomination. Hope I am wrong.
but does he think Trump could win the general?
http://www.dickmorris.com/why-rubio-cant-win/
Doug,
since you are more closely involved then me what would you say that Trump will have to do to reverse this gap?
I really don't believe his changing the consideration for temporarily banning Muslims is truly the key. That is just a leftist tool. I don't really think the goal of dealing firmly with illegals is the key.
Perhaps if he stops the vulgarity? What do you think?
More conservatism?
"Paul Ryan isn't going to be the President"
That is right. So why is there a pac trying to rally him to run?
These last minute desperation moves by establishment types is not helping ( and I don't want to hear these very same people suggest there is no "establishment" - they know who and what we mean)
I can only conclude that the people behind these pacs are con artists taking money from people who have money.
None of this helps the right.
I confess to being more than a tad proud :-D :-D :-D
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-protesters-20160312-story.html
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago#
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-protesters-20160312-story.html
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago#
The protestors are going to regret that. This will get ugly.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-protesters-20160312-story.html
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago#
The protestors are going to regret that. This will get ugly.
So, in America in 2016, violence is the proper response to speech you don't like. Lovely.
I don't think so.
And Kasich sounds like a fool
He can only win 43 % of *Republicans* in his state when 54 % vote against him and he gets slaughtered in every other primary and yet he stands there and gives a speech like he is a victor?! What a schmuck.
Get our of the race damnit ! Clear the road for Cruz.
Is Ted Cruz Going to Be Able to Pull This Off?
Right now, as a #NeverTrump guy, I’m rooting hard for Ted Cruz. We haven’t seen any polls conducted after Rubio’s departure from the race -- either in key upcoming states or nationally -- so we don’t have a good sense of whether anti-Trump Republicans are coalescing around him.
Tuesday Arizona holds its primary and Utah holds its caucus. At first glance, those are natural Cruz states, right?
[Cue ominous music.]
Notice that we’ve had two polls of Arizona Republicans -- you know, right next to Texas -- and Trump’s well ahead of Cruz in both. The two polls were conducted before Rubio dropped out, so maybe Rubio’s 10 to 12 percent will shift to Cruz and help the Texas senator make up the deficit of . . . 12–14 points. Uh-oh.
The last Utah poll was in mid-February, and had Rubio 24, Cruz 22, Trump 18. Caucuses usually have low turnout, but the Utah one may turn out quite different:
For its presidential preference caucus next week, the Beehive State’s Republican Party will allow any Utahn outside or inside the state to vote online. This will be the first time any political party has allowed online voting for a presidential primary election in the nation.
“We’re stepping out on the national stage in a way we never have before,” Bryan J. Smith, the executive director of the Utah Republican Party, said during a recent Utah caucus preparatory meeting. “This time it matters in more ways than you think.”
The Utah Republican Party said its new method of voting will mainly help families, workers, missionaries and military workers throughout the world, who can’t
be in town for voting. It also may help Utah mothers, who find themselves swamped with child care and work. A week from now, if Trump wins Arizona and Cruz wins Utah . . . do people begin to doubt whether Cruz can win a one-on-one race against Trump? Or do anti-Trump Republicans begin to really turn their ire on Kasich for sticking around?
Politico reports, “Marco Rubio is close to endorsing Ted Cruz, but the two proud senators -- and recent fierce rivals -- have some details to work out first. Cruz has to ask for the Rubio’s endorsement, and both sides need to decide that it will make a difference, according to sources familiar with the thinking of both senators.”
If you’re Cruz, why wouldn’t you ask?
Meanwhile, one more ominous note for the #NeverTrump forces. According to the Associated Press count, Trump has 678 delegates, and needs 1,237. He’s 559 delegates away from winning the nomination, and 1,059 remain. Can Trump win 53 percent of the remaining delegates?
Even if you feel confident in saying “No, Trump won’t win that many delegates” -- and yeah, that’s a high bar to clear going forward -- so far Trump has won about 46 percent of the delegates available so far. (He’s done so with 37 percent of the votes cast in Republican primaries and caucuses so far.) Assume Trump maintains his current level of support throughout the rest of the process, and he’ll get 46 percent of the remaining 1,059 delegates. That gives him 492 more delegates.
Trump would enter the convention in Cleveland with 1,170 delegates, just 67 short of what he needs. (It’s easy to picture Trump’s first phone call going to John Kasich, currently sitting there with 144 delegates.) Yes, you might hear talk or calls for a Cruz–Rubio ticket, but Trump will argue, with justification, he’s won 94 percent of what was needed to be the nominee.
Derailing Trump will require a big surge from Cruz from here on out. Can he do it?
http://www.dickmorris.com/trump-draws-14-million-new-republican-voters/#more-17539
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274470-clinton-aide-new-york-debate-depends-on-tone-of-sanders
The GOPe will torpedo both Trump and Cruz. The convention will be more rigged than a North Korean election.
I don't know what to think. On one hand I am not happy with establishment Ryan but I cannot see how Trump could win a general election. (He is our of favor with me. It is 100% clear he lacks the impulse control to be President.) And I just do not seeing Cruz winning either:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/charles-koch-paul-ryan-nomination_us_57029099e4b083f5c6082b95
I was shocked when I read the headlines that Trump admitted the posting of Heidi Cruz's picture was a mistake and he shouldn't have done it.
As far as I am familiar with him that is a first. One small step for man........ :lol:
Frankly, at this point the republican party needs to burn.
My assessment is that there is no hope until the reboot. This country, or what's left of it has to hit bottom before recovery.
My assessment is that there is no hope until the reboot. This country, or what's left of it has to hit bottom before recovery.
Pessimism continued, I don't think we will be any smarter after hitting rock bottom. We will learn all the wrong lessons. The metaphor fails, but I think it's only downhill from there.
I would still like to see Cruz or someone steal this nomination and start running with a real vision. Call out socialism for what it is and lay out in detail what needs to be done.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/14/ted-cruz-picks-nebraska-delegates-no-show-donald-trump/
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
can add Nebraska to his list of states where he’s out organized GOP frontrunner Donald Trump in collecting delegates.
Trump is hiring local help a and trying to organize after it's too late. Is that how he will handle foreign and economic policy too?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/politics/ted-cruz-john-kasich-donald-trump.html?emc=edit_na_20160425&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0
http://weaponsman.com/?p=31360
This country really wouldn't deserve him. Not anymore.
http://weaponsman.com/?p=31360
This country really wouldn't deserve him. Not anymore.
I was thinking about it, and if I was charged with protecting any of the current candidates, I think I'd spit out my coffee at the idea of it.
Bernie - The Socialist
Clinton - The criminal, America hating hag
Trump - The Manhattan Realtor (saleperson - you know the type)
Kasich - If ever someone had RINO written all over him
Cruz - The Canadian.... and he is.
I hope God knows what HE is doing in all of this. The worst part is a large swath of America are perfectly fine endorsing a criminal or a socialist that's never earned his own paycheck. What does one do with that?
Didn't Menken say something about the people deserving the government they voted for , , , in spades?Indeed....
Didn't Menken say something about the people deserving the government they voted for , , , in spades?
"I don't know if it is too late to be strong on immigration. "
"Having him is like playing Russian Roulette. Sooner or later the gun will go off. "
https://politicallyshort.com/2016/05/03/americas-last-election/
8 months.
second post
http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LA-Presidential-Executive-Summary.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-north-patterson/clinton-versus-trump-pred_b_9848032.html?yptr=yahoo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-north-patterson/clinton-versus-trump-pred_b_9848032.html?yptr=yahoo
"Even her supporters deep down know how evil and corrupt she is
but do they care? Not enough obviously. :cry:
"Even her supporters deep down know how evil and corrupt she is
but do they care? Not enough obviously. :cry:
Everyone knows, but I guess by definition, her supporters don't care. Still [lack of] enthusiasm matters in politics. Nobody is excited to support her.
Don't worry Hill. Bill Kristol to the rescue with a third party candidate. Presumable perrenial losers from the Romney family.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/29/bill-kristol-will-independent-candidate/
If your like me and needed help with this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
http://www.youngcons.com/after-trump-supporters-are-beaten-at-rally-cops-confess-they-intentionally-let-it-happen/
Bret Stephens analysis is profoundly flawed. Losing 3-5 SCOTUS picks to Hillary would be a catastrophe from which this country would not recover.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx
Could there be any other reason for this other than the easily persuadable group of voters looking at the 2 candidates running and concluding that Obama is not so bad after all?
I heard the WSJ reported that FBI sources say the EDC is not going to be charged?
Caught a bit of the EDC with Forked Tongue Warren this morning.
Seems to be good synergy between the two.
FTW has some very good populist issues (Feds should not be profiting on your students loans , , , on an education which should be free anyway) and that Consumer Protection Board she helped set up.
Regarding the latter, they ARE some seriously hideous practices by finance companies (See "This Week with John Oliver" episode on this) and FTW's attacks on them and other consumer protection issues will play very well AND allow the EDC to ride the coat tails of her popularity on this issue-- allowing her to shore up her very weak link of being 'for' the little guy.
Also, FTW is a very good attack dog against Trump. EDC was chortling about how she gets under Trump's skin.
Prediction: The EDC will choose FTW for VP.
This is an anti- semitic nod to the neo nazis from Trump :roll: :roll: :roll:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hillary-clinton_us_5777e61fe4b09b4c43c0afb4
Imagine some SJW thugs starting shit and some of these people reacting , , ,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/opinion/protesters-plan-to-be-armed-near-the-trump-convention.html?emc=edit_th_20160714&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=49641193
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/14/clinton-resettle-one-million-muslim-migrants-first-term-alone/
Currently Trump has 23% of the Latino vote. Romney had 27%.
I'm guessing the Latino vote will have a stronger than usual turnout.
Trump needs to start paying attention to this right now.
Cruz can't win.....
"Trump has won at least 159 delegates in Tuesday's contests. John Kasich has picked up at least 73 delegates — most of them for winning Ohio — while Ted Cruz has won at least 24 and Marco Rubio will get at least four.
There are still 107 delegates left to be allocated.
The overall race for delegates:
Trump: 619.
Cruz: 394.
Rubio: 167.
Kasich: 136.
It takes 1,237 delegates to win the Republican nomination for president."
The only way Cruz can even get on the ballot is for the RNC to steal the nomination from Trump, in which case.... the GOP will be sending a Clinton (God help us all), or a Communist (equally distasteful), to the Whitehouse.
I posted this a while ago. Trump will be the next president, or the GOP has to accept something even worse. The complete evisceration of the GOP party as we know it.
Pretty simple.
Spectacularly stupid, classless, and ungracious comments by Trump about the Muslim gold star mother not speaking while her husband spoke at the Dem Convention. :x :x :x
On top of giving a plausible impression of looking like he is asking the Russians to meddle in our campaign, Trump seems determined to prove that the election is his to lose.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
Also, a bit more care in attacking Gen. Allen would have been nice-- especially when the Dems have the clip of him saying he "knows more than the generals" and of him touting the fact that he went to a military school.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/31/general-respond-to-trumps-criticism-of-u-s-attempts-to-combat-islamic-state/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Firewire%20-%20HORIZON%207-31-16%20FINAL&utm_term=Firewire
"Allen said he doesn’t think he has to justify himself to Trump, who has never spent time in Afghanistan or Iraq and has never served in the military."
I guess General Allen has no problem with Bill Clinton being a draft dodger.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/01/pat-caddell-on-cooked-reuters-poll-never-in-my-life-have-i-seen-a-news-organization-do-something-so-dishonest/
I haven't seen it mentioned here, so I'll bring it up.
Suppose that Russia has hacked Clinton. Suppose that they have something that Hillary really doesn't want out there, and that they use this to their advantage? How can anyone trust her with the presidency?
Actually we here and secret lurker Donald have brought this up :lol:
"He was criticized by the parents of a Muslim soldier killed in Iraq and responded that they were really upset because he plans to keep Islamic terrorists out of the country — “I think that’s what bothered Mr. Khan,” Trump insisted. These are the parents of a fallen American soldier, and Trump accuses them of being enablers of Islamic terrorism based on the fact that they have criticized him."
Sorry, but NRO has allowed it hatred of Trump get in the way of its integrity. This is not even close.
Yes, there may be overheated rhetoric in this URLs but cumulatively they tell quite a different story:
http://shoebat.com/.../what-the-media-is-not-telling-you.../
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/khan.../article/2598279
No hijab for the Mrs when posing with Baraq:
http://www.cristyli.com/?p=36171
http://www.breitbart.com/.../clinton-cash-khizr-khans.../
http://kmkhanlaw.com/?reqp=1&reqr=
https://web.archive.org/.../2016.../http:/www.kmkhanlaw.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/.../humiliation-huffington-post.../
Summarizing: The man advocates Sharia. In my considered opinion this is not only religion, but politics i.e. it is the advocacy of theocracy and as such is contrary to the American Creed and our Constitution. This may be a legal to hold opinion, but it is not a good American one.
He is/was an attorney for a law firm that was a registered agent for Saudi Arabia. He made his living on getting visas for Muslims getting into the US. Trump's proposed moratorium is a direct hit on his livelihood.
As an attorney, particular an expert in visas for Middle Eastern people, he must know quite well that the American president by law can Constitutionally exclude such people. http://www.breitbart.com/.../humiliation-huffington-post.../
Thus his whole speech is a fraud and a lie. One may agree or disagree with Trump's call for a moratorium, but no legally literate person can call his idea unconstitutional.
The plan was to conflate the natural sympathy for the parents of the fallen (and his son's rep with comrades in arms was good) into sabotaging what was developing into one of Trump's most effective and most relevant points: That just as FBI Director Comey and other top officials have plainly stated the enemy is looking to use the refugees to place 5th column enemy agents/soldiers/spies in our homeland and that there is absolutely no meaningful way to vet the refugees.
When Obama brings in 10,000 and Hillary looks to expand that by 550% that is either madness, treason, or sheer lust for political power by continuing to dilute the American population with people who do not belief in America as part of a larger plan to "fundamentally transform America.
Is Trump a profound ass for what he said about the mother? Absolutely-- though the generality is not without merit. But that is far from reason to move America towards the giant fustercluck in which Europe now finds itself.
America's correct response is exactly what Trump has proposed: Actively support refugee camps there.
http://atimes.com/2016/08/trump-lacks-experience-but-his-detractors-lack-common-sense/
"https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/08/10/fyi-gallup-had-dukakis-up-by-17-at-this-point-in-1988/"
Thanks CD. This gives me vague and distant hope for a "miracle".
I fear GM was right all along. I am resigning myself to the worst.
Donald Trump took any hope of beating the Crooked Hillary machine out onto 5th Ave. and shot it in the head.
Hillary is the next president. Plan accordingly.
Donald Trump took any hope of beating the Crooked Hillary machine out onto 5th Ave. and shot it in the head.
Hillary is the next president. Plan accordingly.
Your prediction of Hillary's win is highly premature - and I believe influenced by the crooked media's phony polls and wishful thinking (on the media's part) that Trump will go down to defeat. Don't be so sure.
What do you get when you combine the following?
Donald Trump + (Goldman Sachs * 2) = A 650 million outstanding loan due to Goldman Sachs from the Donster = GS Employees given charge of his campaign operations and finances, + a probable Secretary of the Treasury position should Trump Win
http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/here-is-who-donald-trump-wants-for-treasury-secretary/
His outstanding loan to Goldman Sachs http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-donald-trump-companies-at-least-650-million-in-debt/
Hillary Clinton + her Foundation + a liberal orgy that's finally named Chelsea + 1 yamika = "the whole Clinton clan will convene at Goldman Sachs headquarters in Manhattan for a meet and greet with top donors to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation. The New York Times reported last month" http://freebeacon.com/blog/clintons-sachs-ual-relations/ AND a the reality that 25 million dollars from lost hedge funds at Goldman Sachs = a $10,000,000 apartment for love child in Manhattan. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584863/Chelsea-Clinton-s-husband-Marc-colleagues-Goldman-Sachs-shutter-25million-hedge-fund-losing-nearly-investors-money-good-thing-10million-apartment.html
Crooked Clinton + 2 Guys from Kansas = Yet another way Clinton is attached to Trump and vice versa because....
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/koch-brothers-now-supporting-hillary-clinton.html
Is the same as
Goldman Sachs = Koch=Trump=Clinton
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-10/koch-goldman-agree-to-buy-printing-ink-maker-flint-from-cvc
We've gone full circle and haven't even said anything that hasn't been in the news. Vote? What flippin vote?
The big money has purchased access to both. Still, this will be the most hacked and fraudulent vote in what is left of this nation's history.What do you get when you combine the following?
Donald Trump + (Goldman Sachs * 2) = A 650 million outstanding loan due to Goldman Sachs from the Donster = GS Employees given charge of his campaign operations and finances, + a probable Secretary of the Treasury position should Trump Win
http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/here-is-who-donald-trump-wants-for-treasury-secretary/
His outstanding loan to Goldman Sachs http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-donald-trump-companies-at-least-650-million-in-debt/
Hillary Clinton + her Foundation + a liberal orgy that's finally named Chelsea + 1 yamika = "the whole Clinton clan will convene at Goldman Sachs headquarters in Manhattan for a meet and greet with top donors to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation. The New York Times reported last month" http://freebeacon.com/blog/clintons-sachs-ual-relations/ AND a the reality that 25 million dollars from lost hedge funds at Goldman Sachs = a $10,000,000 apartment for love child in Manhattan. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584863/Chelsea-Clinton-s-husband-Marc-colleagues-Goldman-Sachs-shutter-25million-hedge-fund-losing-nearly-investors-money-good-thing-10million-apartment.html
Crooked Clinton + 2 Guys from Kansas = Yet another way Clinton is attached to Trump and vice versa because....
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/koch-brothers-now-supporting-hillary-clinton.html
Is the same as
Goldman Sachs = Koch=Trump=Clinton
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-10/koch-goldman-agree-to-buy-printing-ink-maker-flint-from-cvc
We've gone full circle and haven't even said anything that hasn't been in the news. Vote? What flippin vote?
My favorite quote of the night?
"I have a lot of experience handling classified material."
Hillary Clinton
Yes... you do.... you hand it out like candy on Halloween.
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Anyone that thinks that China, Russia and others weren't reading everything in Hillary's servers is a child.My favorite quote of the night?
"I have a lot of experience handling classified material."
Hillary Clinton
Yes... you do.... you hand it out like candy on Halloween.
I wanted to shoot Matt Lauer for all his interruptions of Trump.
Evidently NBC is hammering anyone that is using the video. My apologies.
I'll remove it so it doesn't chew up space.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/11/cnn-secret-service-agents-helped-van-law-enforcement-says-threw-like-side-beef/
Panic?
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/11/cnn-secret-service-agents-helped-van-law-enforcement-says-threw-like-side-beef/
Panic?
I'm certain that the Secret Service is better than we are, but we're also pretty good at what we do.
My experience? I've worked the Enrique Peña Nieto's perimeter, the Dalai Lama, UN personnel, the governor, my general, and other things.
First off, they often times don't even like us, so they wouldn't want to be touched by us anyways. In my general's case, as far as myself and my squad are concerned, we almost our general, and wouldn't want to touch him because he's our general. In the case for example, of a visiting governor's wife I had to provide security for, the reasons are obvious. If you touch the principal or throw them around, it denotes either danger or carelessness, neither of which are good.
It was damage control at best, and panic at worst. I'm leaning towards the former due to the way they closed, preventing any additional footage from being taken. Also interesting, was the fact that the Secret Service didn't allow certain press members to leave afterwards. I forget where I read that, but I did. I'll see if I can't find it and post it here.
First EDIT: Former SS Agents stating protocol was broken (which I would agree with, if for no other reason than Clinton was left exposed - leaning against the concrete post and with a visible lack of agents surrounding her). http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/secret-service-followed-atypical-protocol-with-clinton-s-early-departure-from-sunday-911-event-a7237706.html
The Secret Service denied that protocol was broken (not surprising), but then again, they sully themselves with prostitutes in foreign countries, so who's to say?
"However, in a tweet Sunday evening the Secret Service said it had not violated protocol. " http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295353-secret-service-may-have-broken-protocol-while-protecting
In fact, they have tweeted about it twice now. https://twitter.com/SecretService?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
"The @SecretService is confident in the actions taken by its Protective Detail earlier today."
and
"FACT CHECK: At no time did @SecretService personnel violate security protocols during the early departure of one of our protectees."
Personally, I think them even explaining it makes the situation look worse.
I have some EP training, the closest to working an EP detail I have done is protect two scantily clad young women promoting a cigarette brand at a biker rally filled with a lot of 1%ers.
Having said that, I know that you want to keep the principal in a secure location until you can move them to their transportation for rapid loading and departure. Having Ill-ary propped up and waiting for a vehicle was not a good thing from a protection perspective.
I'm sure it's not intentional but the Hillary health scare has become the latest shiny object stopping us from discussing the issues and competing ideologies of governing - even in a Presidential election year.
I really like Trump' attack on the inner city black vote going to Democrats. If he can break into some of these 'groups', blacks and legal Hispanics, it will be a game changer.
Poll have tightened, very divided and still leaning in Hillary's favor. Pundits seem to skip over the possibility that the landslide could go Trump's direction.
In the end, the Bush, Romney, Rino and purist groups will all get on board.
Didn’t Barack Obama say a few months back that a candidate couldn’t insult his way to the presidency?
You may be a deplorable if you stand for the National Anthem.
Or if you know all the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, especially, “under God” (and liberty before justice).
Or if you [buy groceries] with your own money.
If you’re deployable, you’re definitely deplorable.
If you don’t have an Obamaphone and you don’t believe that global warming is “settled science” — can you say deplorable?
Saying Merry Christmas — Deplorable with a capital D!
You may be a deplorable if you wouldn’t mind showing some ID at the local precinct before you vote.
You may be a deplorable if all of your children have the same last name — and it’s your last name.
Nothing says deplorable like the National Rifle Association.
If you liked your doctor and wanted to keep your doctor — you know what you are.
You may be a deplorable if you don’t think you should have to press one for English.
You may be a deplorable if you identify as a member of the gender in which you were born.
You are a deplorable if you believe All Lives Matter.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2016/09/carr_some_quick_easy_steps_to_tell_if_you_re_a_deplorable
Pravda on the Beach (LA Times) give 19% of black vote to Trump!
Other interesting numbers too.
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
Delving deeper, we know that many Sander's voters won't actually jump ship. I think the actual number is closer to 30% (one in three voters for Sanders) Which means, 10 million voters will either vote for Trump, Stein, or Johnson. If we assign half to Stein, and split the rest between Trump and Johnson, here what it looks like in closing:
Trump - 63,500,000
Clinton - 55,640,000
Stein - 5,469,000 (counting her .5 million from 2012)
Johnson - 3,775,000 (counting the 1.27 mil he had from 2012)
I stated that Trump would get 52% of the vote. With 63.5 million and a voter turnout of 128 million, he'd have to be at 66.56 million (well within what he could reach with Sanders bailouts).
I stated that Hillary would be at 44% of the vote or 56.32 million voters of 128 million. Based on Barracks numbers of 66,000,000 in 2012, and a 1/3 to 1/2 of Sander's voters jumping ship, the empress could easily find herself 15 million votes short, putting her as low as 51,000,000, well within the target I have proposed.
Needless to say, these aren't electoral college votes, nor are they swing state votes.
1. Most Latinos already reside in Blue states, BUT.... they aren't interested in seeing other Mexicans other than their immediate family come and take their jobs.
2. States that have been blue could go red because of this, with purple states having an even higher turnover.
3. Trump won't get the Black vote, but at 12%-15% (19 million votes) of the population, and most based in Blue states, he doesn't need it.
Basically what I've come up with.
If Hilliary gets the Dem States and the Dem Leaning States she has 272 electoral right now, even if Trump gets all the Undecided plus all the Rep and Rep Leaning States.
Delving deeper, we know that many Sander's voters won't actually jump ship. I think the actual number is closer to 30% (one in three voters for Sanders) Which means, 10 million voters will either vote for Trump, Stein, or Johnson. If we assign half to Stein, and split the rest between Trump and Johnson, here what it looks like in closing:
Trump - 63,500,000
Clinton - 55,640,000
Stein - 5,469,000 (counting her .5 million from 2012)
Johnson - 3,775,000 (counting the 1.27 mil he had from 2012)
I stated that Trump would get 52% of the vote. With 63.5 million and a voter turnout of 128 million, he'd have to be at 66.56 million (well within what he could reach with Sanders bailouts).
I stated that Hillary would be at 44% of the vote or 56.32 million voters of 128 million. Based on Barracks numbers of 66,000,000 in 2012, and a 1/3 to 1/2 of Sander's voters jumping ship, the empress could easily find herself 15 million votes short, putting her as low as 51,000,000, well within the target I have proposed.
Needless to say, these aren't electoral college votes, nor are they swing state votes.
1. Most Latinos already reside in Blue states, BUT.... they aren't interested in seeing other Mexicans other than their immediate family come and take their jobs.
2. States that have been blue could go red because of this, with purple states having an even higher turnover.
3. Trump won't get the Black vote, but at 12%-15% (19 million votes) of the population, and most based in Blue states, he doesn't need it.
Basically what I've come up with.
National polls don't matter because it's not a national vote. Also, there will be epic levels of fraud and alterations.Delving deeper, we know that many Sander's voters won't actually jump ship. I think the actual number is closer to 30% (one in three voters for Sanders) Which means, 10 million voters will either vote for Trump, Stein, or Johnson. If we assign half to Stein, and split the rest between Trump and Johnson, here what it looks like in closing:
Trump - 63,500,000
Clinton - 55,640,000
Stein - 5,469,000 (counting her .5 million from 2012)
Johnson - 3,775,000 (counting the 1.27 mil he had from 2012)
I stated that Trump would get 52% of the vote. With 63.5 million and a voter turnout of 128 million, he'd have to be at 66.56 million (well within what he could reach with Sanders bailouts).
I stated that Hillary would be at 44% of the vote or 56.32 million voters of 128 million. Based on Barracks numbers of 66,000,000 in 2012, and a 1/3 to 1/2 of Sander's voters jumping ship, the empress could easily find herself 15 million votes short, putting her as low as 51,000,000, well within the target I have proposed.
Needless to say, these aren't electoral college votes, nor are they swing state votes.
1. Most Latinos already reside in Blue states, BUT.... they aren't interested in seeing other Mexicans other than their immediate family come and take their jobs.
2. States that have been blue could go red because of this, with purple states having an even higher turnover.
3. Trump won't get the Black vote, but at 12%-15% (19 million votes) of the population, and most based in Blue states, he doesn't need it.
Basically what I've come up with.
is this possible??? or incorrect?
:-o :-o :-o :-D :-D :-D
http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/black-voters-are-turning-from-clinton-to-trump-in-new-poll/
If Hilliary gets the Dem States and the Dem Leaning States she has 272 electoral right now, even if Trump gets all the Undecided plus all the Rep and Rep Leaning States.
If Hilliary gets the Dem States and the Dem Leaning States she has 272 electoral right now, even if Trump gets all the Undecided plus all the Rep and Rep Leaning States.
Trump will not win this in any kind of a tie or close vote. He needs to build on the momentum he earned recently and defeat her. Voting for Trump can't come with shame or embarrassment. He needs to look and act ready to govern from now until the end of his Presidency. Anything short of that and he loses. There will be one or two gaffes. They need to be corrected quickly. And there will be mud slung. He needs to play the part of a great President ready to lead, all day, everyday. If he wins nationwide by 3-4 points or more, much more, there won't be an electoral vote question.
This is excellent work DDF. Please post in on the SEIU/Electoral fraud thread as well as here.
I thought Mexico/Mexicans didn't believe in meddling in other people's internal affairs , , , :-P
"Almost. They don't believe in having people meddle in their affairs."
:-)
I thought is was about even, though Holt was certainly tougher on Trump by far - not unexpected. I thought Trump held his own.
He did wipe that shit eating grin off her face a few times. The liberal grin, the sarcastic grin.........
I also though Trump missed a great opportunity when Clinton claimed that our foreign friends can count on her to keep her word.
He could have simply said "well a majority of Americans think your dishonest and with good reason, why should our allies trust you."
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/27/trump-clinton-debate-was-an-embarrassment-for-everyone/
"It would seem that Trump would be the obvious answer, but he failed too. He completely abandoned the coverup involved between Obama, Clinton, Lynch, Comey and who knows who else, in the debate last night."
I don't know why he didn't bring this up. Perhaps he knows this will be made into just another "conspiracy" theory and mocked by the Left.
Perhaps he will in coming debates or on campaign trail.
I dunno.
Though the chattering class is scoring is for Hillary, and certainly Trump missed many opportunities (and got dinged a few times e.g. birther) I think Trump did fine on the meta issues. I suspect when the first post debate polls come out (Saturday) once again will be confounded that his polls went up , , , I hope and pray.
"This question may well prove to be a big warning flag of serious cheating to come."
This was exactly my thought. Is the election rigged? Why wouldn't it be? Who is going to do anything about it?
They want to forestall him from complaining about dirty tricks, rigging the vote, stuffing the ballot box, etc.
This question may well prove to be a big warning flag of serious cheating to come.
On line polls are of limited value.
All appropriate caveats apply: Polls can be wrong, a bad sample can throw off the RCP average, et cetera. After the election, when all the votes are counted, we’ll have real data. Some will argue that this is an imperfect measuring stick, because Trump is competing against Clinton as well as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and most third-party candidates in Senate races are minimally consequential. Of course, this is part of the point. Trump alienates and repels a portion of the electorate that is usually more open to voting for a Republican nominee.
Republicans seem happy with Pence. But what about undecideds that is the key? Personally I didn't think Pence was quite forceful enough or convincing enough to win over undecideds.
For example,
Just saying tax cuts and deregulation is ok with me but that ain't gonna grab undecided voters while Kaine kept at it with the gigantic tax write off Trump can take that most other people have no comparable ability to do.
I don't think he was convincing to undecideds.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440725/vice-presidential-debate-mike-pence-parries-tim-kaine-easily
And the CNN moderator had 2 *hit* follow up questions near the beginning of the debate ala Lester Holt and the rest of the CNN crew but I heard zero comparable *hit* questions to Kaine.
http://www.businessinsider.com/will-trump-quit-presidential-race-what-happens-2016-10
This one was pretty good too:
"Clinton said Lincoln used different arguments with different members of Congress to get them to abolish slavery, calling his tactics “principled and strategic.” She then condemned the hack, saying she believed it was evidence that Russia was interfering in the U.S. election to favor Trump.
Trump hit back, making fun of Clinton for comparing her comments to the actions of Lincoln.
“She lied. Now she’s blaming the lie on the late, great Abraham Lincoln,” Trump said. “Honest Abe never lied. That’s the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. That’s a big, big difference. We’re talking about some difference.”
[Hill, your no Abe Lincoln!]
"Trump is going to CRUSH Clinton in November"
From your mouth to Gods ears so to speak.
I must say his oratory skills are really good. He is every bit as good as Obama
and he has been the only Repub who has said things that need to be said and establish goals that need to be set.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/196388/satisfaction-remains-low-leading-election.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
Yet more than 50% are satisfied/approve with/of Obama ? :?
You two can sit there and believe the media's polls if you want to. I buy none of it.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen that Reagan was behind 12 points in the polls as well and killed it.
Trumps sells out stadiums... Clinton can't fill a high school gymnasium.
I know you don't like Trump, and that he wasn't favored here. I called that early on. I'm calling this too. Not being arrogant. It's just that numbers of bodies don't lie.
You two can sit there and believe the media's polls if you want to. I buy none of it.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen that Reagan was behind 12 points in the polls as well and killed it.
Trumps sells out stadiums... Clinton can't fill a high school gymnasium.
I know you don't like Trump, and that he wasn't favored here. I called that early on. I'm calling this too. Not being arrogant. It's just that numbers of bodies don't lie.
There are far more people in cemeteries that will turn out to vote for Clinton. Also, it's not about the national numbers, it's about the electoral college.
Trump is failing to close the deal on his gravitas ("presidential-ness"). Everything else is secondary to that.
He should delegate the muck and the wonkery to his extremely capable team-- i.e. who would be doing what under a President Trump:
Gen Flynn for geopolitics, war with Islamo Fascism, Russia, Cyberwar
Christie for the indictment
Carson for Obamacare
Giuliani for Homeland Security and Law & Order
Gingrich for political tactics, dealing with Congress legislation
Team with Paul Ryan on specifics for enabling development of underclass neighborhoods. Ryan is a true student of this under Jack Kemp and should have a bunch of stuff ready to go.
Ivanka for interface on women's issues
Doug,
I also had to do five of these :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
when Hillary said her policies will help small businesses!
That is absurd.
"We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out."
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/hillary-arrested-2/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/hillary-arrested-2/
I have been silent on DDF's prediction of a Trump landslide only because of the failure of my own predictions, that Hillary won't run, won't win the nomination if she does run and won't win if nominated. That bet seemed well hedged yet I already lost on 2 counts, owing significant meal tabs (canned food from my bunker?) to my friend ccp.
The analysis of this election outside of DDF has focused on what will come of the Republicans Party if they lose it all this year. 20 million new Democrat voters will change things forever. So will the Court. The pendulum won't swing back and forth again when we keep adding large weights to one side.
After this evening's news all bets are off!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-to-swing-election/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-to-swing-election/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
Understand that there are no limits to what they will do to drag Hillary's evil carcass over the finish line. No limits.
Our Pat (surprisingly) thinks the polls are wrong and it will be Trump in a landslide.
https://www.hotgas.net/2016/11/final-election-predictions/
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RCP Average is currently Clinton +2.9% Assuming a 2-3 point under-count, this is going to be close and the Republican is the underdog. Prove them wrong!
There are a number of ways they can be wrong.
1. People vote differently in the privacy of the polling booth than they tell pollsters. Each percent of that has a 2 point swing. A few Hispanics who already have jobs, citizenship and good lives might fall into into this group, not wanting to say they support Trump.
2. Turnout models turn out false. Blacks aren't excited about Hillary. Women aren't excited. The young aren't excited.
3. Polling methods have worsened since people abandoned home phones.
4. Polling firms tweak their results to fall in line with other polls.
Republicans have been winning non-Presidential year elections and state races. Perhaps this election year will have more in common with those years.
I have never been so happy to be wrong. Props to DDF for calling it.
This really feels like getting a pardon by the governor a minute before execution.
I honestly pray Trump does a good job. God really loves this country despite our best efforts.
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
DDF and PP and Michael Moore - congratulations on calling it. What does Nate Silver know?
Amazing he still won with everything against him.
I think this loss (Hillary losing the election) cancels out the my wins (Hillary running for President, winning the primary and being the DNC nominee) with DougMacG! I won't need bunker food after all. :-D
A champaign toast to all !
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
This should have been a landslide for us. Trump made it very hard for many of our fellow Americans to see him as presidential.
As this thread presumably winds down, I would like to thank one and all for a fine job. I like to think that perhaps our efforts here contributed in some small way to the outcome.
Well done gentlemen!
God bless America!
Trump had 18 months to think about how he will do this as he was promising it and has had 100 days to parse what he said any way he wants and tell us how it can be done. He could even tell us he was wrong, gasp! Instead we have no funding for a wall or even a fence because he never told us it is worth investing our money to do it.