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Science, Culture, & Humanities / 'Fair trade' is a crock
« on: May 13, 2011, 02:51:58 PM »
'Fair trade' is a crock

By DALIBOR ROHAC

Last Updated: 3:55 AM, May 13, 2011

NY Post

If you want to help out Third World farm workers, ignore the "Wake up the World" campaign. Don't have a "fair trade" breakfast -- or anything else. The "fair trade" label is a crock.

You're likeliest to see the "fair trade" label at high-end coffee shops and grocery stores -- especially ones with a "progressive" clientele. The certification is supposed to let you enjoy your latte without feeling guilty for exploiting the Ethiopian or Ecuadoran who harvested the beans.

Oh, the likes of Angelina Jolie and Colin Firth endorse it -- but the main value it brings is the consumer's feeling of socially conscious satisfaction.

Fair-trade-certified products -- coffee, bananas, cocoa, etc. from developing countries -- have boomed this last decade. US sales of fair-trade goods rose from $15 million to $48 million from 2005 to 2009.

Most people think "fair trade" guarantees better pay for agricultural workers in developing countries. The Fair Trade USA Web site insists, "We can change the world by changing our breakfast."

Sorry: What the organized fair-trade movement actually does is simply provide selected producers of cash crops in such nations with guaranteed minimum prices for their products. The direct benefits are small and rarely go to the least well-off. Worse, fair trade can hinder economic development.

Consider how it all works.

Again, "fair trade" merely guarantees certain producers a minimum price for a commodity. This gives farmers a safeguard against price drops, which can come in handy if they can't access more sophisticated forms of financial hedging.

But how much does fair trade actually help poor people? Most fair-trade producers are outside Sub-Saharan Africa, the world's poorest region. Mexico has 51 fair-trade cooperatives; Ethiopia has four and Burundi just one.

And the main benefit flows to fair-trade cooperatives -- groups of landowners, not laborers. The certification includes no incentives for the owners to pay higher wages to farmworkers, who tend to be poorer and more vulnerable.

It even tends to exclude the poorer landowners. Certification involves significant up-front costs -- $2,000 to $4,000 -- and annual inspections that require paying sizable fees. In a developing nation, that's a big hurdle.

And the folks shut out of the scheme are worse off. With a minimum price guaranteed, the fair-trade insiders can produce more with lower risks -- increasing the overall size of the crop and thus depressing prices for the folks who couldn't afford to buy their way in.

Even fair-trade supporters must admit that the scheme doesn't solve the problem of underdevelopment. No nation has become rich by earning a slightly higher return on a cash crop. Most developed countries have succeeded by allowing their economies to grow more sophisticated and diversified -- adding areas of production that pay more to workers and owners.

That is, there's more money in making chocolate than in growing cocoa -- and 90 percent of the world's cocoa, but only 4 percent of its chocolate, is produced in developing countries.

But "fair trade" -- guaranteeing a minimum price for certain crops -- locks part of the labor force into basic agriculture, discouraging it from moving "higher up the ladder" to better long-term opportunities in manufacturing, services or more sophisticated forms of agriculture. A study of Guatemala's fair-trade coffee industry by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University concluded that fair trade strongly encouraged production mediocrity.

Finally, "fair trade" encourages a particular business model at the expense of others. To qualify for registration in the fair-trade scheme, farmers need to form cooperatives that satisfy certain requirements of communal decision-making and transparency. Why, exactly -- other than badly dated ideology -- should we prefer landowner cooperatives over private companies that adhere to high standards of workers' welfare and social and environmental responsibility?

Ultimately, only private entrepreneurship and businesses can pull the developing world out of poverty. But entrepreneurs flourish only in a situation of good governance, stable property rights and business-friendly legal institutions. Rather than falling for marketing ploys that use poor people as pawns, we should work to improve the business environment in developing countries.

Low-income countries around the world don't need our pity and handouts; they need economic policies that work. "Fair trade" may mean well, but that's just not good enough.

Dalibor Rohac is a research fellow at the Legatum Institute in London.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues
« on: May 13, 2011, 02:51:04 PM »
Is this more hatred from Glenn Beck?  :-D

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Politics & Religion / Re: Spengler: Excrement approaching fan , , ,
« on: May 13, 2011, 02:42:38 PM »
Blame the Jews, in 3......2......1

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Politics & Religion / Re: Hate and vitriol alert!
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:02:41 AM »
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meghan-mccain-goes-naked-for-racy-skin-cancer-psa/

Hey Crafty, you might want to skip this since you just flew back from the middle east......   :wink:

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Politics & Religion / Hate and vitriol alert!
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:00:23 AM »
I'm not sure if this is best described as hateful vitriol or vitriolic hate, but brace yourselves:

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-becks-vomit-attack-over-naked-meghan-mccain/

CAUTION: soul searing hatred and vitriol content!  :-o

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Politics & Religion / Re: Unions
« on: May 13, 2011, 06:58:28 AM »
A recent New York Times editorial justified the NLRB decision by arguing that unions are suffering from "the flight of companies to 'Right-to-Work' states where workers cannot be required to join a union."

Do they prefer that the jobs migrate to China?

Exactly.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU
« on: May 13, 2011, 06:56:56 AM »
What? The UN/NATO didn't ride to the rescue?  What whappened to the "responsibility to protect"?  :roll:

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Politics & Religion / Re: POTH: Crime Wave
« on: May 13, 2011, 06:23:34 AM »
Coptic Christians, left, and Muslims threw stones at each other during clashes in Cairo last weekend.
Sidebar comment:  My readings elsewhere leave me with the thought that the apparent neutrality here on Muslim-Coptic fighting is an example of Pravda on the Hudson's politics getting in the way of the Truth.

"the Muslim-Christian riot" Imagine civil rights protesters being brutalized in the south being described this way. Or Krystalnacht being described as sectarian violence.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 13, 2011, 05:55:03 AM »
Andrew,

Do you still wish to maintain this position? "Even if all that were true or at least parts of it, I couldnt care less, to be honest. I dont care." As an academic, isn't your devotion supposed to be finding the truth and sorting out falsehoods in your scholarly analysis? Or is the concept of truth just another form of western imperialism?

I'll say this about Said, at least his individually constructed "palestinian" identity is as bogus as the overall "palestinian" identity, so there is a form of authenticity in that.

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Politics & Religion / In England
« on: May 12, 2011, 08:36:39 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scientist-imam-threatened-over-darwinist-views-2232952.html

Scientist Imam threatened over Darwinist views

 
By Tom Peck and Jerome Taylor

Saturday, 5 March 2011


A prominent British imam has been forced to retract his claims that Islam is compatible with Darwin's theory of evolution after receiving death threats from fundamentalists.


Dr Usama Hasan, a physics lecturer at Middlesex University and a fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society, was intending yesterday to return to Masjid al-Tawhid, a mosque in Leyton, East London, for the first time since he delivered a lecture there entitled "Islam and the theory of evolution".

But according to his sister, police advised him not to attend after becoming concerned for his safety. Instead his father, Suhaib, head of the mosque's committee of trustees, posted a notice on his behalf expressing regret over his comments. "I seek Allah's forgiveness for my mistakes and apologise for any offence caused," the statement read.

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Politics & Religion / Anyone seeing a pattern here?
« on: May 12, 2011, 08:29:08 PM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h0Xm56iYPH9m9T_8pfkDvKQevqpQ?docId=CNG.109ca1c1340ce42e33e6f0390a02cf2c.e1

Bomb wounds four at Indonesian Islam group HQ
(AFP) – Mar 15, 2011

JAKARTA — A bomb exploded at the headquarters of a moderate Islamic group in the Indonesian capital Jakarta on Tuesday, wounding four people including a police officer whose hand was blown off.

The device was in a package sent to the office of the Liberal Islam Network (JIL), a grouping of religious intellectuals, in East Jakarta, national police spokesman Boy Rafli Amar told reporters.

"We suspected that it was a bomb. Our officers were trying to tame it when it went off," he said, adding that the police are investigating the motive.

A witness told local television station MetroTV that the package was addressed to the group's former director and liberal Muslim scholar Ulil Abshar Abdalla.

"Our office received a suspicious package containing cables with a strong smell. We called the police," Fia Anwar said.

"As the police were checking the package, it exploded. Four people were injured, including a policeman and our security guards," she added.

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Politics & Religion / Re: A muslim reformer, with the usual ending.
« on: May 12, 2011, 08:06:12 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12111831

Salman Taseer was repeatedly shot at close range with a sub-machine gun

The influential governor of Pakistan's Punjab province, Salman Taseer, has died after being shot by one of his bodyguards in the capital, Islamabad.

Mr Taseer, a senior member of the Pakistan People's Party, was shot when getting into his car at a market.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the guard had told police that he killed Mr Taseer because of the governor's opposition to Pakistan's blasphemy law.

Many were angered by his defence of a Christian woman sentenced to death.

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Politics & Religion / Re: A muslim reformer, with the usual ending.
« on: May 12, 2011, 08:03:32 PM »
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cleric-who-termed-stonepelting-protests-unislamic-killed-in-srinagar-blast/773497/



Militants on Friday killed a prominent religious leader Moulvi Showkat Ahmad Shah,a liberal voice who had denounced stone-pelting and was engaged with Centre's interlocutors, by triggering an IED blast near a mosque here, drawing condemnation from separatists and political leaders.
 

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Politics & Religion / A muslim reformer, with the usual ending.
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:58:29 PM »
Farag Foda (Egyptian Arabic: فرج فوده, IPA: [ˈfɑɾˤɑɡ ˈfoːdæ]), also Faraj Fawda, (1946 - June 8 1992) was an important Egyptian thinker, human rights activist, writer, and columnist.
 
Based in Cairo, he was noted for his critical articles and sharp satires about Islamic fundamentalism in Egypt. In many newspaper articles, he demonstrated weak points in Islamic ideology. Among other things he exposed Egypt's most popular preacher, Abd al-Hamid Kishk, for "telling his audience that Muslims who entered paradise would enjoy eternal erections and the company of young boys draped in earrings and necklaces," and promising them "an eternity of blissful pederasty."[1]
 
He was shot to death in his office on 8 June 1992 by two Islamic fundamentalists from the Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya group. His son and other bystanders were seriously wounded in the attack.
 
Before his death, Farag Foda was declared an apostate and foe of Islam[2]. An Al-Azhar scholar, Mohammad Al-Ghazali, a witness before the court, declared it was not wrong to kill a foe of Islam. Al-Ghazali said: "The killing of Farag Foda was in fact the implementation of the punishment against an apostate which the imam (the state) has failed to implement (undertake)."
 
One of Foda's killers, Abd al-Shafi Ahmad Ramadhan, was sentenced to death on 30 December 1993 and executed on 26 February 1994]. The other was executed for another murder.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:54:26 PM »
Ok, lets begin. Weiner never interviewed Edward Said. Asked about this, he said that after conducting research that lasted three years, he saw no need to talk to Said about his memories or his childhood: „There was no point in calling him up and saying, 'You're a liar, you're a fraud.'" Wow, very investigating reporting like.

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/glosses/weinerAttackOnSaid.html

(*) To be completely fair, hints of the truth have also appeared in fugitive places over the years, including in a 1987 article by Said in of all venues, House & Garden. My attempts to verify the record with Said himself were unsuccessful; a request for an interview, made through his assistant at Columbia, Zaineb Istrabadi, met with no response.

Even if all that were true or at least parts of it, I couldnt care less, to be honest. I dont care.

There can be no doubt that a great deal of the moral authority accruing to Edward Said derives as much from his personal as from his intellectual credentials.(*) As a living embodiment of the Palestinian cause, he has made much in print and on film of his birth, childhood, and schooling in Palestine, telling a story of idyllic beginnings and violent disruption--of a paradise lost--that resonates with personal pain while also serving as a powerfully compelling metaphor for the larger Palestinian condition. As Salman Rushdie put it in lauding Said's After the Last Sky, in writing about his "internal struggle: the anguish of living with displacement, with exile," Said "enables us to feel the pain of his people."

 Both his personal pain and the pain he feels for his people are on especially vivid display in a 1998 BBC documentary that Said both wrote and narrated, In Search of Palestine. The film, aired around the world to mark the 50th anniversary of the Palestinian nakbah ("disaster") of 1948, and recently shown in New York on the local PBS affiliate, features extensive footage of Said standing outside his birthplace at what is now 10 Brenner Street in Jewish western Jerusalem.

But just the mention of that birthplace confronts us with a problem. Although Said has defined his own intellectual vocation as one of "tell[ing] the truth against extremely difficult odds"--he has sweepingly declared that the duty of the intellectual is "to speak the truth, as plainly, directly, and as honestly as possible"--it turns out that, in retailing the facts of his own personal biography over the years, he has spoken anything but the plain, direct, or honest truth. Instead, he has served up, and consciously encouraged others to serve up, a wildly distorted version of the truth, made up in equal parts of outright deception and of artful obfuscations carefully tailored to strengthen his wider ideological agenda--and in particular to promote the claims of Palestinian refugees against Israel.
 


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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:47:05 PM »
all in all, my point was that throughout history Christians in this manner werent any different to Muslims, in fact they were far worse.

The idea that the pre-literate, brutal, pagan european cultures would suddenly become beacons of niceness because they started wearing crosses instead of pre-christian amulets is unrealistic. It took a lot of time, technological advancements (Like the Gutenberg bible) and the spread of literacy and thus the reformation to alter some unpleasant things in the west. Core values from christianity, like the concept of a secular government rather than theocracy took root in western thought. The movement to end slavery in the west grew out of activists motivated by their christian beliefs. The end of segrigation in the US was lead by christians as well. Still lots of slavery in the muslim world and I am unaware of any islamic William Wilberforces or Martin Luther King Jr.s

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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:16:26 PM »
Of course the compulsion quote above is not a be all counter balance to your radical opinions. And of course it is not ONLY radical neither. Just like Jihad is not internal struggle alone it is NOT ONLY holy war. Bukay says this in your quote anyway, I just wanted to bring it up more clearly. I also totally agree with his stance about actual extremism today, and the academia pun is also funny and true to an extent. Extremism IS an actual threat of course. But going overboard again and saying everything Muslim/Islam ever was, is and will be only evil and deserves our rightful hammer of Good is again, completely off. The problem of ALL sacred texts, Islam is no specialty here, its just more actual because it is all around media today, is that radical interpretation tend to get the best of it.

You and I might decide that "jihad" really means "rainbows and fuzzy kittens" rather than anything unpleasant. If Habib at my local Falaful Hut thinks "jihad" means he should be an extra-moral in a way that agrees with the modern, western view of moral, that's fine as well. The problem arises when the view of what is morally correct for observant muslims means "smite the infidels" and all the unpleasant verses that are referred to in the quaran and other islamic texts. You'll find that I have no beef with many different religions that I personally do not agree with on a theological level. As an example, I don't complain about hindus because I don't have any trying to kill me and wipe my civilization from the map, in fact, I see India as an important ally.


Those from within the muslim world who wish to reform it to a religion that can peacefully co-exist with the kufar have a bad habit of ending up dead, or in some cases, living like mob-informants under police protection. Who are they hiding from? When a muslim like Zuhdi Jasser advocates a modernist interpretation of islam, vocal muslims condemn him as not an islamic scholar and other less than pleasant terms. Where are the islamic scholars that teach a modernist islam? Where are the countries where sharia is practiced that do not punish apostates and cite "There is no complusion in religion" as justification for allowing religious freedom?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 05:36:44 PM »
"Naskh, or abrogation is a term used mostly in exegesis for contradictory material between the Qur'ān and the Sunna. In its historiographical use, naskh usually incorporates the replacement of an earlier tradition with a chronologically newer one."

There are also conflicts within the quaran, so naskh was used to address those conflicts. A cynic such as myself would say that liars have a hard time keeping lies straight, and that sociopathic "prophets" get divine guidance that suits their needs from moment to moment.

http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam#_ftn51

Abrogation in the Qur'an
 
The Qur'an is unique among sacred scriptures in accepting a doctrine of abrogation in which later pronouncements of the Prophet declare null and void his earlier pronouncements.[9] Four verses in the Qu'ran acknowledge or justify abrogation:
 •When we cancel a message, or throw it into oblivion, we replace it with one better or one similar. Do you not know that God has power over all things?[10]
•When we replace a message with another, and God knows best what he reveals, they say: You have made it up. Yet, most of them do not know.[11]
•God abrogates or confirms whatsoever he will, for he has with him the Book of the Books.[12]
•If we pleased, we could take away what we have revealed to you. Then you will not find anyone to plead for it with us.[13]

SNIP-------

Abrogation and Jihad
 
How does the theological debate over abrogation impact contemporary policy formulation? While not all terrorism is rooted in Islam, the religion is an enabler for many. It is wrong to assume that more extreme interpretations of religion are illegitimate. Statements that there is no compulsion in religion and that jihad is primarily about internal struggle and not about holy war may receive applause in university lecture halls and diplomatic board rooms, but they misunderstand the importance of abrogation in Islamic theology. It is important to acknowledge that what university scholars believe, and what most Muslims—or more extreme Muslims—believe are two different things. For many Islamists and radical Muslims, abrogation is real and what the West calls terror is, indeed, just.
 
During the lifetime of Muhammad, the Islamic community passed through three stages. In the beginning from 610 until 622, God commanded restraint. As the Muslims relocated to Medina (623-26), God permitted Muslims only to fight in a defensive war. However, in the last six years of Muhammad's life (626-32), God permitted Muslims to fight an aggressive war first against polytheists,[52] and later against monotheists like the Jews of Khaybar.[53] Once Muhammad was given permission to kill in the name of God, he instigated battle


Rather than go post-al, I'll let you address this before moving on.  :wink:

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Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 04:56:24 PM »
Cmon, GM why cant you write normal posts like everyone else ? It would be most appreciated if instead of an array of articles to prove your point, you would put together something of your own accord. It is only because of my infinite patience that I backtrace and dig up points you want to move across, from your post-al bombardment.

I think it's important to see source documentation. We can then peel that apart, if need be.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576314953091790360.html

A 100-trillion-dollar bill, it turns out, is worth about $5.

 
Associated Press
 
A man in Harare, Zimbabwe, carried cash for groceries in 2008.
.That's the going rate for Zimbabwe's highest denomination note, the biggest ever produced for legal tender—and a national symbol of monetary policy run amok. At one point in 2009, a hundred-trillion-dollar bill couldn't buy a bus ticket in the capital of Harare.

But since then the value of the Zimbabwe dollar has soared. Not in Zimbabwe, where the currency has been abandoned, but on eBay.

The notes are a hot commodity among currency collectors and novelty buyers, fetching 15 times what they were officially worth in circulation. In the past decade, President Robert Mugabe and his allies attempted to prop up the economy—and their government—by printing money. Instead, the country's central bankers sparked hyperinflation by issuing bills with more zeros.

The 100-trillion-dollar note, circulated for just a few months before the Zimbabwe dollar was officially abandoned as the country's legal currency in 2009, marked the daily limit people were allowed to withdraw from their bank accounts. Prices rose, wreaking havoc.

The runaway inflation forced Zimbabweans to wait in line to buy bread, toothpaste and other essentials. They often carried bigger bags for their money than the few items they could afford with a devalued currency.

Today, all transactions are in foreign currencies, mainly the U.S. dollar and the South African rand. But Zimbabwe's worthless bills are valuable—at least outside the country. That Zimbabwe's currency happened to be denoted in dollars has amplified appeal, say currency dealers and collectors, particularly after the global financial crisis and mounting public debts sparked inflationary fears in the U.S.

"People pick them up and make jokes about when that's going to happen here," says David Laties, owner of the Educational Coin Company, a currency wholesaler based in Highland, N.Y.

 .Dealers prescient enough to buy Zimbabwe's biggest notes while they were in circulation are now taking their investment to the bank. Mr. Laties spent $150,000 buying bills from people in South Africa and Tanzania with experience moving currency and other clandestine cargo, including migrants, across Zimbabwe's borders. Sensing that Zimbabwe's last dollars would be "the best notes ever" on the collector's market, he even fronted $5,000 to someone who approached him over the Internet.

"It worked out," he says. "I got my notes."

Frank Templeton, a retired Wall Street equities trader, bought "quintillions of Zimbabwe dollars" through a broker from Zimbabwe's central bank. On eBay, he now does a brisk trade in the bills from his home in the Hamptons, on New York's Long Island. "I like to say Warren Buffett made a lot of people millionaires, but I've made more people trillionaires," Mr. Templeton says. The dealer paid between $1 and $2 for each of the bills in several purchases over about a year, and now sells them for around $5-$6 apiece.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) and Stanford economist John B. Taylor are among the new owners of Zimbabwean bills. Each keeps one in his wallet, brandishing it at opportune moments as evidence of inflation's most extreme possible ramifications. "No self-respecting monetary economist goes around without a 100-trillion-dollar note," Mr. Taylor says with a chuckle.

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Politics & Religion / Prayers for Bin Laden
« on: May 12, 2011, 02:33:41 PM »
http://tribune.com.pk/story/166047/prayers-for-bin-laden-in-national-assembly/

ISLAMABAD/QUETTA: 
Parliamentarians were stunned on Tuesday when a lawmaker led prayers for al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, defying calls from Deputy Speaker Faisal Karim Kundi that he needed permission to do so.
 
At the National Assembly session, Maulvi Asmatullah, an independent candidate from NA-264 stood up and said Bin Laden had reportedly been given funeral services by the Americans and “we should pray for him”.
 
The prayer service hardly lasted a minute in which two JUI-F legislators from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, former federal minister Attaur Rehman and Laiq Muhammad Khan, participated.
 
The deputy speaker was administering the proceedings on a private members day, but he could not convince the lawmakers to stick to the rules of business. Osama bin Laden was killed in a US operation in Abbottabad in the early hours of May 2.
 
Earlier, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said in the National Assembly that “Osama bin Laden was the most wanted terrorist and enemy number one of the civilized world.
 
Elimination of Osama bin Laden, who launched waves after waves of terrorist attacks against innocent Pakistanis, is indeed justice done. However, we are not so naïve to declare victory; missions accomplished, and turn around.”
 
The first of its kind prayer service at the floor of the National Assembly reflected a divergent view from the official stance over the killing of Bin Laden.

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Politics & Religion / The koran on Jews
« on: May 12, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/07/jews-as-depicted-in-the-quran.html

Dear Sheikh! As-Salam `Alaykum. What, according to the Qur’an, are the main characteristics and qualities of Jews?
 Answer: [...]

As regards the question you posed, the following is the fatwa issued by Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former Head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, in which he states the following:

“The Qur’an has specified a considerable deal of its verses to talking about Jews, their personal qualities and characteristics. The Qur’anic description of Jews is quite impartial; praising them in some occasions where they deserve praise and condemning them in other occasions where they practice blameworthy acts. Yet, the latter occasions outnumbered the former, due to their bad qualities and the heinous acts they used to commit.

The Qur’an praises them on the verse that reads: “ And verily We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favored them above (all) peoples.” (Al-Jathiyah:16) i.e. the peoples of their time.

Among the bad qualities they were characterized with are the following:

1. They used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah. Allah Almighty says: “ That is because they say: We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.” (Al-`Imran:75) Also: “The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will.” (Al-Ma`idah:64)

In another verse Almighty Allah says: “Verily Allah heard the saying of those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): "Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their saying with their slaying of the Prophets wrongfully and We shall say: Taste ye the punishment of burning!” (Al-`Imran:181)

2. They love to listen to lies. Concerning this Allah says: “and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk” (Al-Ma’idah: 41)

3. Disobeying Almighty Allah and never observing His commands. Allah says: “And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts.” (Al-Ma’idah: 13)

4. Disputing and quarreling. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Their Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul to be a king for you. They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough?” (Al-Baqarah: 247)

5. Hiding the truth and standing for misleading. This can be understood from the verse that reads: “…distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture.” (Al-`Imran: 78)

6. Staging rebellion against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance. This is clear in the verse: “And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly.” (Al-Baqarah: 55)

7. Hypocrisy. In a verse, we read: “And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.” (Al-Baqarah: 14) In another verse, we read: “Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practice it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense?” (Al-Baqarah: 44)

8. Giving preference to their own interests over the rulings of religion and the dictates of truth. Allah says: “…when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?” (Al-Baqarah: 87)

9. Wishing evil for people and trying to mislead them. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them.” (Al-Baqarah: 109)

10. They feel pain to see others in happiness and are gleeful when others are afflicted with a calamity. This is clear in the verse that reads: “If a lucky chance befall you, it is evil unto them, and if disaster strike you they rejoice thereat.” (Al-`Imran:120)

11. They are known of their arrogance and haughtiness. They claimed to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones. Allah tells us about this in the verse that reads: “The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones.” (Al-Ma’idah: 18)

12. Utilitarianism and opportunism are among their innate traits. This is clear in the verse that reads: “And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences.” (An-Nisa’: 161)

13. Their impoliteness and indecent way of speech is beyond description. Referring to this, the Qur’anic verse reads: “Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey; hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.” (An-Nisa’:46)

14. It is easy for them to slay people and kill innocents. Nothing in the world is dear to their hearts than shedding blood and murdering human beings. They never give up this trait even with the Messengers and the Prophets. Allah says: “…and slew the prophets wrongfully.” (Al-Baqarah: 61)

15. They are merciless and heartless. In this meaning, the Qur’anic verse explains: “Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness.” (Al-Baqarah: 74)

16. They never keep their promises or fulfill their words. Almighty Allah says: “Is it ever so that when ye make a covenant a party of you set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not.” (Al-Baqarah: 100)

17. They rush hurriedly to sins and compete in transgression. Allah says: “They restrained not one another from the wickedness they did. Verily evil was that they used to do!” (Al-MA’idah:79)

18. Cowardice and their love for this worldly life are their undisputable traits. To this, the Qur’an refers when saying: “Ye are more awful as a fear in their bosoms than Allah. That is because they are a folk who understand not. They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified villages or from behind walls. Their adversity among themselves is very great. Ye think of them as a whole whereas their hearts are divers.” (Al-Hashr:13-14) Allah Almighty also says: “And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters.” (Al-Baqarah:96)

19. Miserliness runs deep in their hearts. Describing this, the Qur’an states: “Or have they even a share in the Sovereignty? Then in that case, they would not give mankind even the speck on a date stone.” (An-Nisa’:53)

20. Distorting Divine Revelation and Allah’s Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: “Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands anthem say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.” (Al-Baqara: 79)

After this clear explanation, we would like to note that these are but some of the most famous traits of the Jews as described in the Qur’an. They have revolted against the Divine ordinances, distorted what has been revealed to them and invented new teachings which, they claimed, were much more better than what has been recorded in the Torah. It was for these traits that they found no warm reception in all countries where they tried to reside. Rather, they would either be driven out or live in isolation. It was Almighty Allah who placed on them His Wrath and made them den of humiliation due to their transgression. Almighty Allah told us that He’d send to them people who’d pour on them rain of severe punishment that would last till the Day of Resurrection. All this gives us glad tidings of the coming victory of Muslims over them once Muslims stick to strong faith and belief in Allah and adopt the modern means of technology."

19524
They should immediately place price controls on gasoline. I like 1 dollar a gallon!   :roll:

19525
Science, Culture, & Humanities / US v. Parada
« on: May 12, 2011, 12:18:42 PM »

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-circuit/1166937.html

Thus, the general rule we have followed is that a dog's alert to the presence of contraband is sufficient to provide probable cause.   We decline to adopt the stricter rule urged by Mr. Parada, which would require the dog to give a final indication before probable cause is established.7  “Probable cause means that ‘there is a fair probability that contraband or evidence of a crime will be found in a particular place.’ ” Ludwig, 10 F.3d at 1527 (quoting Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213, 238, 103 S.Ct. 2317, 76 L.Ed.2d 527 (1983)).   A trained narcotic dog's detection of the odor of an illegal substance emanating from a vehicle creates a “fair probability” that there is contraband in that vehicle.   See id.  (“[A] dog alert usually is at least as reliable as many other sources of probable cause and is certainly reliable enough to create a ‘fair probability’ that there is contraband.”).   We hold that probable cause was satisfied by Rico's alert to the odor of an illegal substance in the vehicle and that it was not necessary for the dog to indicate the exact source of that odor.   Indeed, it might be dangerous to permit a narcotics dog to pinpoint the location of the drugs in certain circumstances, such as here, where the vehicle's occupants were still inside and the dog was trained to indicate by barking, scratching, and biting at the source of the odor.

19526
It's an totally different situation of employment law vs. search and seizure related to criminal investigations.

19527
Politics & Religion / Gold
« on: May 12, 2011, 11:12:24 AM »

http://business.financialpost.com/2011/05/10/gold-could-hit-2000-deutsche-bank/

Gold, which reached a record $1,577.57 an ounce on May 2, may surge a further 30 percent by January as investors seek to protect themselves from “economic uncertainty,” according to Deutsche Bank AG.
 
“I’m bullish on gold despite its current levels,” Hal Lehr, Deutsche Bank’s managing director for cross-commodity trading, said in an interview in Buenos Aires. “It could reach $2,000 dollar an ounce in the next eight months.”
 
Investors including George Soros and John Paulson invested in gold as the metal surged over the past year amid a sovereign debt crisis in Europe, economic turmoil in the U.S. and civil unrest in the Middle East. This month‘s record was a sixfold gain since the precious metal’s low in August 1999.
 


Gold fell 1.6 percent on May 4 after the Wall Street Journal reported that Soros Fund Management LLC sold precious-metal assets. Soros’ fund held shares in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest exchange-traded product backed by gold, and the iShares Gold Trust at the end of 2010, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filings show.
 
Gold rose for a third day in New York today as concern about Europe’s debt woes spurred demand for precious metals as a protection of wealth. Standard & Poor’s yesterday downgraded Greece’s credit rating for the fourth time since April 2010. Gold for June delivery rose $6.10, or 0.41 percent, to $1,509.3 an ounce at 9:03 a.m. on the Comex in New York.
 
Bullion rose for six consecutive weeks through April 29 as the metal is seen as a hedge against inflation around the globe. Central banks in China, India and the European Union, among others, have increased interest rates in recent weeks as policymakers seek to control consumer prices with tighter monetary policy.
 
The U.S. Federal Reserve has kept the benchmark rate between zero percent and 0.25 percent since December 2008 and pledged to purchase $600 billion in Treasuries through June to stimulate the economy. Standard & Poor’s earlier last month revised its debt outlook for the U.S. to negative from stable.
 
The U.S. Treasury Department projects the government could reach its debt ceiling limit of $14.3 trillion as soon as mid- May and run out of options for avoiding default by early July.

19528
Politics & Religion / Silver
« on: May 12, 2011, 11:07:34 AM »



http://www.europac.net/commentaries/silver_takes_it_chin

Silver Takes it on the Chin


 By:
 John Browne


Friday, May 6, 2011
 
This week saw the type of downside volatility in the precious metals market that will be remembered for years to come. For those of us who have been long gold, and silver in particular, the memories will not be pleasant.  While many had been expecting a pullback in silver, when the violence did come it was nevertheless shocking. Silver shed one third of its value in less than one week. And while gold was pulled down by the general sell off in all commodities (oil, copper, coffee, etc.) the yellow metal shed only 6.5% during the carnage. Those mild losses should remind us that  gold is not just another commodity, but has monetary qualities that tend to smooth out volatility. But will silver survive the vicious downturn?
 
First, despite all the valid reasons that, in an era of perpetual quantitative easing, silver had become an attractive asset class, it had become clear in recent days that it was overbought. Leading up to April 28, the price of silver rose by more than 150 per cent in U.S. dollar terms over the prior year. On Wall Street momentum always attracts momentum, and as a result, the ascent accelerated in April, with silver rising 31 per cent from April 1 to April 28.
 
A ‘hot” commodity tends to attract leveraged speculators. As a result, the rise became more technical than fundamental. Its recent sell off should be viewed on the same terms.
 
After an exponential rise, supercharged by leveraged speculators, silver was bound to attract the attention of short sellers. In addition, silver speculation became more expensive as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange raised the margin requirement for buying silver futures five times in just one week! Factoring in all of these increases, the last of which becomes effective this coming Monday, the cost of owning  silver futures contracts will have increased a staggering 84 per cent from the beginning of May. The rationale behind these moves requires serious inquiry…which I will leave to more informed columnists.  But the results were predictably dramatic, as many leveraged players were forced to liquidate.
 
In addition to these technical catalysts, other factors contributed to the decline this week. Facing pressure from domestic exporters who complain about an overly strong euro, there are signs that the ECB is losing its commitment to vigilance against inflation. This has led to speculation that the U.S. dollar could strengthen for the remainder of the year. This could adversely affect the price of precious metals. In addition, with private sector unemployment rising in the United States, there is a risk that the U.S. economy could be entering a second, or double dip recession. This would lower the risks of overt inflation and dampen the industrial demand for silver.
 
But as far as long term fundamentals are concerned, the case for precious metals remains intact. First, as long as the Federal Reserve and other central banks around the world continue to treat fiat currencies as monopoly money, investors will be seeking alternative currencies as a hedge against inflation. But until bank lending to consumers and businesses increases dramatically, the dangers of hyperinflation will remain largely hidden from the broad swath of investors. As a result, silver’s upward price movements will be vulnerable to panic selling.
 
But from my perspective the biggest driver in purchases of silver and gold is likely a fear of a meltdown of the dollar and a collapse in the financial system. There are few signs that these fears have abated with the selloff in silver. The U.S. dollar is still standing close to a 3-year low against the dollar index. If more rumors spread that the dollar may lose its reserve status, the greenback could plummet. It is perhaps this perceived risk that has provided the majority of the force behind increases in precious metals over the past year. It is important to remember that the fundamental strength of metals attracted the speculators, but speculators did not create the bull market. It is my feeling that it will endure without them.
 
While a threatened recession and a stronger dollar should deflect inflation expectations in the short-term, the longer-term risk of a debt crisis spreading into a currency crisis remains. Indeed, the risks of a currency crisis are increasing. For investors who share this view, and who can tolerate the volatility, the reduced prices of silver may be attractive.

19529
Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Libertarian Issues
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:47:05 AM »

http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/dec01/vol59/num04/The-Right-to-Search-Students.aspx

Reasonable Suspicion
The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." Before 1985, doubt existed about whether this right applied to students in the public schools. Schools argued that administrators acted in loco parentis—in the place of the parent—while students were at school. In 1985, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that the Fourth Amendment applies to students in the public schools (New Jersey v. T.L.O., 1985). The Court concluded, however, that the school environment requires an easing of the restriction to which searches by public authorities are normally subject. School officials, therefore, do not need probable cause or a warrant to search students.

The Court articulated a standard for student searches: reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion is satisfied when two conditions exist: (1) the search is justified at its inception, meaning that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that the search will reveal evidence that the student has violated or is violating the law or school rules, and (2) the search is reasonably related in scope to the circumstances that justified the search, meaning that the measures used to conduct the search are reasonably related to the objectives of the search and that the search is not excessively intrusive in light of the student's age and sex and the nature of the offense.

In New Jersey v. T.L.O., a teacher's report of a student smoking in the bathroom justified a search of the student's purse. Since this landmark decision, several cases have debated what constitutes reasonable suspicion:

Four students huddled together, one with money in his hand and another with his hand in his pocket, does not provide reasonable suspicion (A.S. v. State of Florida, 1997).
An anonymous phone call advising an administrator that a student will be bringing drugs to school, coupled with the student's reputation as a drug dealer, creates reasonable suspicion to search the student's pockets and book bag (State of New Hampshire v. Drake, 1995).
A report made by two students to a school official that another student possesses a gun at school constitutes reasonable suspicion to search the student and his locker (In re Commonwealth v. Carey, 1990).
An experienced drug counselor's observation of a student who appears distracted and has bloodshot eyes and dilated pupils justifies taking the student's blood pressure and pulse (Bridgman v. New Trier High School District No. 203, 1997).
The fact that the search of all but one student in a class fails to reveal allegedly stolen property gives school officials reasonable suspicion to search that student (DesRoches v. Caprio, 1998).
The odor of marijuana in the hall does not provide reasonable suspicion to search all students' book bags, purses, and pockets (Burnham v. West, 1987).

Although the legal standard for reasonable suspicion is clear, the application of it in different contexts is not always as clear. The Court has even noted that

articulating precisely what reasonable suspicion means . . . is not possible. Reasonable suspicion is a commonsense, nontechnical conception that deals with the factual and practical considerations of everyday life on which reasonable and prudent men, not legal technicians, act. (Ornelas v. United States, 1996, at 695)


Probable Cause and Student Consent
School officials need only reasonable suspicion to search students in public schools, but sworn law enforcement officials normally must have probable cause to search students. Probable cause to search exists when "known facts and circumstances are sufficient to warrant a man of reasonable prudence in the belief that contraband . . . will be found" (Ornelas v. United States, 1996, at 696). But are law enforcement officials assigned to schools to maintain safety subject to the reasonable suspicion standard or the higher probable cause standard? The answer depends on whether the court views law enforcement personnel assigned to the school as school officials or law enforcement officials.

When the police or school administrators act at one another's request, they run the risk of becoming one another's agents. Such a relationship could change the standard necessary to conduct a student search. Some courts treat police officers as school officials subject to the lower standard of reasonable suspicion when they search students at the request of school administrators (In the Interest of Angelia D.B., 1997). Other courts hold that school officials conducting a search on the basis of information from the school resource officer are acting as agents of the police and are, therefore, subject to the higher standard of probable cause (State of New Hampshire v. Heirtzler, 2000). The mere presence of a sworn law enforcement officer during a search by a school administrator does not trigger the need for probable cause (Florida v. D.S., 1996).

School officials and sworn law enforcement officers may conduct a search without reasonable suspicion or probable cause if the student voluntarily consents to the search. Voluntariness is determined on the basis of the circumstances—including the student's age, education level, and mental capacity—and the context of the search. When consent is granted, officials may conduct the search only within the boundaries of the consent. If a student consents to the search of her purse, for example, an administrator may not search her locker unless the search of the purse provides probable cause or reasonable suspicion to search the locker. School officials and law enforcement officers are not required to advise students that they have a right to refuse to give consent to search. Some school policies or state regulations, however, may require that they advise students of their rights.

Some school policies require students to provide consent to a search or risk discipline. In at least one federal circuit, the court has upheld this policy (DesRoches v. Caprio, 1998). In this case, all but one student consented to a search of their personal belongings. The search of the consenting students revealed nothing. Pursuant to school board policy, DesRoches was suspended for 10 days for failure to consent to the search. The student claimed that his Fourth Amendment rights were violated because the administrator did not have reasonable suspicion to search him. The court held that when the search of all other students in the class failed to reveal the stolen item, the administrator had reasonable, individualized suspicion to search DesRoches. Therefore, his discipline for failing to consent to a legal search was upheld.

Individual Versus Random Searches
School officials conduct individual searches when they suspect that a student or a small group of students possesses evidence of a violation of the law or school rules. Such searches are subject to the reasonable suspicion standard. Officials conduct random or blanket searches not because of individualized suspicion, but as a preventive measure. Examples of random searches include the use of metal detectors in school entrances and sweeps of parking lots and lockers. The legality of a random search depends on whether the school has a compelling interest or special need that warrants the use of a search without suspicion. The most common need articulated by schools is the prevention of drug abuse.

Perhaps the most controversial random search is the use of drug-sniffing dogs in schools. The right of school officials or police to use dogs to detect drugs in students' belongings is well established. In fact, most courts conclude that such detection is not a search because the dogs merely sniff the air around the property and that students do not have an expectation of privacy in the air around their belongings.

One federal court has recently held that the use of drug-sniffing dogs on a student's person requires individualized, reasonable suspicion. Prevention of drug abuse, according to this court, does not justify the dog sniffing the person because it intrudes on the expectation of privacy and security (B.C. v. Plumas Unified School District, 1999). This case changed practices in many school districts—those schools no longer use the dogs to sniff around students.

19530
Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Libertarian Issues
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:34:54 AM »
On campus searches are one thing, the off campus search another. I doubt that any evidence obtained in the off campus search would be admissable and I'd tend to think there is the serious potential for civil liability in conducting that search.

The courts have tended towards allowing school personnel greater latitude in search and seizure than LEOs. One key question is that if the LEOs that did the search would be viewed by the court as school personnel or LEOs in conducting the search. A LEO assigned as a school resource officer is one thing, a LEO just called with a K9 to conduct a search is another in some cases.

19531
Unless a "harmless bit of fun" is a violation of criminal law, what is your concern? If I was that worried about the net, I'd throw my computers into a blast funace and never go online again. You act as if you are writing samizdat under Stalin.

19532
Politics & Religion / Re: Law Enforcement
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:12:06 AM »
Law enforcement and the rest of the criminal justice system are not a panacea for every social ill, but having well constructed laws enforced by well trained and led LEOs makes a big difference in the quality of life and economic strength of a society.

19533
Politics & Religion / Re: Law Enforcement
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:07:26 AM »
The academic left, like other elements of the left are more than willing to twist reality until it matches what they think it should be. "Fake but true" should be the official slogan of the left.

19534
Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:00:18 AM »
"In contrast, I know or have read about many Chinese, Indians and Mexicans who are asked when stopped.  Their skin color seems to be the deciding factor; accent or no accent.  That is wrong."

Really? Where and when was this? These are almost always bogus claims by illegal alien advocates. The core job of law enforcement officers is to determine if laws are being broken and act if they are. Often, this means determining identification. So, cops can be trusted to determine if the driver of a vehicle is legally permitted to do so,is or is not a fugitive from justice, can determine if the vehicle is legally possessed by the driver, but can't be trusted to determine if the person contacted is legally present in the US?

19535
Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:37:08 AM »
After a Green Card is Granted


http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f1903a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f1903a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD

See the following links on this page to find information on the following:

Renewing a Green Card
Replacing a Green Card
Conditional Permanent Residence and Removing Conditions
International Travel as a Permanent Resident
Maintaining Permanent Residence
Rights and Responsibilities of a Permanent Resident
Voting as a Permanent Resident (The Right to Vote)
Granted a Green Card by an Immigration Judge

A green card is issued to all permanent residents as proof that they are authorized to live and work in the United States. If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times. Current green cards are valid for 10 years, or 2 years in the case of a conditional resident, and must be renewed before the card expires.

A green card can be used to prove employment eligibility in the United States when completing the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. It can also be used to apply for a Social Security Card and a state issued driver’s license. A green card is valid for readmission to the United States after a trip abroad if you do not leave for longer than 1 year. If your trip will last longer than 1 year, a reentry permit is needed.

You have certain rights and responsibilities as a permanent resident. This section will give you a general idea of what these are and provide you with some other useful information related to your immigration status.

You may also wish to read Welcome to the United States: A Guide for New Immigrants, a guide (in English and 10 other languages) containing practical information to help immigrants settle into everyday life in the United States, as well as basic civics information that introduces new immigrants to the U.S. system of government (see the links to the right).

19536
Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:25:44 AM »
Alexander is right on.

19537
Radical (Or in truth mainstream) islam is not floundering, it's about to have Egypt as part of the new caliphate.

19538
Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:05:27 AM »
As it were, the law would have made it illegal for immigrants not to carry their immigration papers, and would have required the police to question people about their immigration status if they had been stopped and if the officers found reasonable suspicion that they were illegal immigrants. Because the law was viewed as an open invitation for racial profiling, critics of the law, who have constantly held protests and filed lawsuits to strike it down, were thrilled with the ruling. "

My wife is a legal immigrant who is required by federal law to carry her Permanent Resident card with her at all times. Although she is fluent in english, she has an obvious accent that would indicate to any reasonable person that she was not born/raised in the US. She is quite happy to produce her "green card" to any gov't official who might want to see it. Legal immigrants, such as my wife are angry at the catering the left does to those who break the laws in coming here.

19539
Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: May 12, 2011, 06:27:15 AM »
Funny how you incorrectly project racism on AZ republicans while missing the anti-semetic timber in your own eye. Wanting to have local level law enforcement enforce immigration law is hardly racist, or do you like the impact illegal aliens are inflicting on California?

19540
I think there are different factors in play now. The dollar WAS the reserve currency in the 70's. Not so much anymore. Was the AAA rating of the US in question back then?

19541
Just wait..... Gold and silver are the future. Just because the EU and the Euro are circling the drain doesn't mean the dollar doesn't face the same fate.

19542
Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: May 12, 2011, 06:05:28 AM »



"A rather accurate and succinct summary from a Republican."

Accurate how exactly? I can make a better case for you hating Jews, JDN.

19543
Discovery in civil litigation goes both ways. As you point out, both in the civil and criminal areas, all sorts of records can be accessed. Should we not have records of any transactions? The interwebs isn't a secure environment, assume that everything can be compromised.

19544
Politics & Religion / 'I Will Be Shorting US Bonds': Jim Rogers
« on: May 11, 2011, 12:44:32 PM »

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42985646

'I Will Be Shorting US Bonds': Jim Rogers
Published: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 | 8:13 AM ET Text Size By: Antonia van de Velde
CNBC Associate Web Producer



Veteran investor Jim Rogers said on Wednesday he plans to short US bonds and sees more currency turmoil in the markets this fall.



"I will be shorting US bonds," Rogers told a conference in Edinburgh. "I would probably be doing it today if I weren't here," he said.

Bonds in the US have been in a bull market for 30 years, Rogers said.

"In my view that's coming to an end...the bond bulll market is coming to an end. If any of you have bonds I would urge you to go home and sell them. If any of you are bond portfolio managers I would get another job," he said.

Addressing one bond portfolio manager among conference delegates, Rogers said: "If I were you I would think about becoming a farmer. You buy land and learn how to farm."

"In my view it’s going to be a spectacular way to make money," he said, adding: "This is where the great fortunes are going to be made in the future."

Rogers also said he expected to see more currency turmoil in the markets this fall.

"One of the safest investments I see is the renminbi," he said. “Longer term the US dollar is going to be a total disaster,” Rogers said, urging investors to “think about getting out of US dollars before it’s too late.”

Many investors say the Chinese yuan is a good place to invest, but China's capital controls make it hard for foreigners to buy the currency.

Dollar in Danger

"I would expect to see some serious problems in the foreseeable future….By 2011, 2012, 2013, 2013, I don’t know when, we’re going to have an economic slowdown again," he said. "This time it’s going to be a real disaster because the US cannot quadruple its debt again. Dr Bernanke cannot print staggering amounts of money again."

"How much more can they print without a serious collapse of the US dollar?" he said.

Rogers said he owns the dollar for the moment but he may have to sell it.

"There’s been a huge amount of good news for the dollar and you think it would be strengthening by now…it hasn’t been," he said.

Rogers said the world was facing an ongoing bull market in commodities and said it hadn’t run its course yet. "Commodities are totally underowned," he said.

“This bull market in commodities has a long way to go,” he said, pointing to supply constraints. "If the world economy does not get better I’d rather own commodities than stocks.”

19545
Unless you are engaging in criminal conduct on the net, there isn't anything to be concerned about.

19546
I'm not sure how you get "Retroactive probable cause" out of that article.

19547
Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 11, 2011, 10:40:59 AM »
Not every critic of Israel is an anti-semite, but if you wanted to find anti-semitism, that's a good place to start looking. Failed ideologies like to project their failures on the successful, nothing new there. Always easier than painful introspection.

19548
Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« on: May 11, 2011, 10:19:21 AM »
So what is it, then? A more bland sort of anti-western motivation?

19549
Laughing through my tears at that one.

19550
Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate
« on: May 11, 2011, 06:52:21 AM »
Reminds me of a Sam Kinnison stand up routine, where Jesus was looking down on Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker's complex and asking "When did I say build a waterslide"?

The founding fathers are looking down at us and asking "Where did we say real estate was a role of the federal government"?

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