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19551
Politics & Religion / Our dear friends
« on: May 10, 2011, 08:52:11 PM »
I will bet very large sums that money has already changed hands and the Chinese have already been all over this.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/10/pakistan-i-guess-well-have-to-show-china-the-wreckage-of-your-secret-stealth-helicopter/

Pakistan: I guess we’ll have to show China the wreckage of your secret stealth helicopter

 

posted at 8:52 pm on May 10, 2011 by Allahpundit

 
You know what the answer to this is? Have Mike Mullen very loudly and formally invite the head of India’s air force to tour an American air base and check out all the latest projects we’re working on. Maybe, as a bonus, let him sneak a peek at that insanely awesome shipborne laser that the Navy’s perfecting.
 
Why not? India’s the ultimate bulwark against these fascist and jihadist savages. Let’s make sure they’re prepared. And given their own growing knowledge base in weapons advances, it’d be useful to have a reciprocal relationship with them. It’s time to make this a proper alliance.
 

The U.S. has already asked the Pakistanis for the helicopter wreckage back, but one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also “very interested” in seeing the remains. Another official said, “We might let them [the Chinese] take a look.”
 
A U.S. official said he did not know if the Pakistanis had offered a peak to the Chinese, but said he would be “shocked” if the Chinese hadn’t already been given access to the damaged aircraft…
 
The potential technological advancements gleaned from the bird could be a “much appreciated gift” to the Chinese, according to former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke…
 
The Chinese and Pakistani governments are known to have a close relationship. Last month Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif concluded a trip to Beijing, afterwards telling Pakistan’s local press that China was Pakistan’s “best friend.”
 
Yes, please, let China know the singular joy that comes with being Pakistan’s “best friend.” ABC correctly points out that China is rumored to have jumpstarted its stealth program with pieces of a U.S. bomber that crashed in the Balkans in the late 90s; if that’s so, then that Point A might have led directly to this Point B. And yet, the question lingers: Is a stealth helicopter really all that difficult to figure out? Some experts say no:
 

[Lexington Institute head Loren Thompson] said that the technology and design features to enable an aircraft to reduce noise and evade radar are not shrouded in secrecy.
 
Countries that examine the wreckage “will not learn much from the remnants of the exploded helicopter that were not already readily available in open literature,” Thompson told AFP…
 
The helicopter appears to have at least five blades in its tail rotor, instead of the four associated with the Blackhawk, which analysts said could possibly allow for a slower rotor speed to reduce noise.
 
A cover on the rotor, akin to a hubcap, can also be seen as well as harder edges in the design, similar to the lines on stealth fighter planes such as the F-117. The cover on the rotor and the design lines would presumably be aimed at circumventing radar, according to analysts.
 
It’s not completely stealth, either. No doubt it’s radar-proof and quieter than a normal military helicopter in its approach, but remember that guy in Abbottabad who inadvertently tweeted the Bin Laden raid as it happened? His very first tweet was “Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1 AM.” I don’t know how far he was from the compound, but if it was loud enough for him to hear, the Pakistani military must have heard it too. That’s why the raid was only 40 minutes; they would have showed up sooner or later.
 
As further reading, I recommend this short piece from Victor Davis Hanson about our very good friends in Islamabad. He’s tired of paying them billions in protection money not to do something crazy involving nukes, mainly because they seem to be getting crazier regardless. Exit quotation: “We’ve tried aid, no aid, sanctions, full diplomatic relations, estrangement,etc. At this point, all have failed, and failure without $3 billion a year is better than failure costing $3 billion a year.”

19552
Politics & Religion / Bin Laden son not feeling the love
« on: May 10, 2011, 08:42:47 PM »
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0510/Bin-Laden-son-calls-burial-at-sea-humiliating


Omar bin Laden, who has been based in the Gulf in recent years, did not immediately respond to emailed and telephoned requests for comment.

The letter said, in part: "We hold the American President (Barack) Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims."
The letter said the U.S. administration had offered no proof to back up its account of the mission. It alleged the goal of raid had been to kill and not arrest, adding that afterwards the American commandos had "rushed to dispose of the body".

Some Muslims have misgivings about how U.S. forces killed bin Laden in a raid in Pakistan on May 2 and disposed of his body in the ocean.

Questions have multiplied since the White House said the al Qaeda leader was unarmed when U.S. helicopter-borne commandos raided the villa where he was hiding in the city of Abbottabad.

Bin Laden's swift burial at sea, in what many Muslims say was a violation of Islamic custom, has also stirred anger.

19553
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 10, 2011, 07:15:54 PM »
"The sum of all fears" changed the bad guys in the book (jihadists) to eastern european neo-nazis for the movie. I think we are all aware of the looming threat from eastern european neo-nazis and the horrific death toll they've racked up.....     








 :roll:

19554
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 10, 2011, 03:24:06 PM »
If there was a run on Hitler posters in Germany, would that suggest something about his popularity amongst the Germans?

The ignorant love to cling to the images and ideas of evil men. Che is popular on t-shirts, despite his murderous acts and ideas. Castro is praised by leftist dilettantes who never seem to move to his tropical prison. I guess Kim Jung-Il just isn't photogenic enough.

Sneering at America is nothing new for europeans. It usually on stops momentarily when America's rescue is needed and then resumes immediately afterwards. Usually between sips of cola and bites of cheesesburger as they wait in line to watch a movie made by Hollywood.

19555
Politics & Religion / Re: US Foreign Policy
« on: May 10, 2011, 02:58:05 PM »
Pakistan needs to be made an example of, otherwise the lesson to the world is: Use non-state actors to wage mass-casualty terrorism on America and then fund and shelter the terrorists. The worst thing the US will do is kill the non-state actor and cut some funding.

19556
Politics & Religion / What does "Allah Akbar" mean again?
« on: May 10, 2011, 11:54:46 AM »
http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/12884-When-Allahu-Akbar-Means-I-Have-a-Bathroom-Emergency!.html

Yesterday, on a flight from Chicago to San Francisco, a man was subdued by the plane's passengers after he charged up the airplane's aisle yelling "Allahu Akbar!" and began pounding on the cockpit door.
 
However, in the original AP article on the story, AP's writers helpfully informed its readers, "Authorities do not yet have a motive."

Further on in the article, in the 13th paragraph, AP attempted to shed some light on the man's intentions by quoting a relative of the man who helpfully suggested, "He might have seriously mistaken the cockpit for the bathroom.... He's only been on three planes in his whole life."
 
In paragraph 15 and 16, AP 's writers remember to explain that the man was yelling "God is great!" or "Allahu Akbar!" as he charged up the aisle.
 
Clearly, this was a 'bathroom emergency' of some immediate urgency.
 
Thank goodness for the Associated Press and its fearless reporting!
 
Remember, bathroom emergencies are nothing to laugh at...

19557
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 10, 2011, 11:50:44 AM »
If someone were to search, I believe on this thread, not so many months ago I offered some ideas  :wink:



As I did then, and do now support the "Crafty Doctrine" towards Pure-land. I want it to be especially punitive given their sheltering of Osama bin Fishfood.

19558
Politics & Religion / Re: Rules of the Road/Fire Hydrant
« on: May 10, 2011, 11:48:18 AM »
I'm hoping at some point for a TSA/Israeli aviation security AAR.

19559
http://nation.foxnews.com/usama-bin-laden/2011/05/09/wallace-hammers-obama-official-why-shooting-unarmed-man-face-legal-while-

Wallace Hammers Obama Official: Why Is Shooting an Unarmed Man in the Face Legal While Enhanced Interrogation Is Over the Line?

Bwahahaha! Great minds think alike.   :-D

19560
Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 10, 2011, 10:51:53 AM »
At least Trump has fallen to 5th place in polling.

19561
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 10, 2011, 10:33:42 AM »
We need to engage in nation-imploding in Pakistan, not nation-building. Lots of ISI/Army generals need to die. We need to take their nukes and gut them as a military power. They need to become an object lesson for the world.

19562
Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: May 10, 2011, 10:31:24 AM »
Doctoring history is quite unacceptable. I look forward to the day when the MSM stops doing it.

19563
Politics & Religion / Record sale of Osama posters in Pakistan
« on: May 10, 2011, 09:21:22 AM »
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Record-sale-of-Osama-posters-in-Pakistan/articleshow/8221641.cms

Record sale of Osama posters in Pakistan
IANS | May 10, 2011, 05.39pm IST


ISLAMABAD: There has been a record sale of posters of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan after the al-Qaida leader was gunned down in a daring US commando raid May 2 in the country, a media report said on Tuesday.

More than 100,000 posters of Osama Bin Laden have been sold since his death, the Online news agency reported citing the print industry. It added that the volume of sale is increasing daily.

Osama's death on May 2 ended nearly a decade-long hunt for the US's most wanted terrorist. He was blamed for the terrorist attacks in the US in September 2001 in which nearly 3,000 people were killed.

Boy, when the "Vast majority of peaceful muslims" hear about this, they are going to be pissed!

19564
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 10, 2011, 09:17:26 AM »
So he WAS a muslim, even a muslim leader, given the reaction we are seeing, right?

19565
Politics & Religion / Re: Rules of the Road/Fire Hydrant
« on: May 10, 2011, 08:14:24 AM »
Should have flown El Al.  :wink:

19566
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 10, 2011, 06:21:31 AM »


Obama's Abominable 'Respect' for Bin Laden Burial Rites

 by  Robert Spencer


05/10/2011





After approving the Navy SEALs’ mission to kill Osama bin Laden (or allowing Leon Panetta to approve it, as some reports indicate), Barack Obama has been in full retreat mode, doing everything he can to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Most notoriously, he ordered a full Muslim burial for Osama bin Laden, contradicting his own claim that bin Laden was “not a Muslim leader.”

Even worse, when Islamic groups started to complain about the fact that bin Laden was buried at sea, rather than on land in accordance with Islamic law, Obama took pains to assure the world that the American troops involved in the burial were “respectful of the body” of bin Laden.

The word “respectful” is all-important, because the sea burial had once again plunged those ever-fragile Islamic supremacists into a crisis of self-esteem.  Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, a former resident of the United Kingdom who—until he left on a jaunt to Lebanon and wasn’t allowed back into the country—used to boast that one day the “black flag of Islam” would fly over 10 Downing Street, fulminated that “the Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don't think this is in the interest of the U.S. administration.”

This is a man, mind you, who didn’t find anything “humiliating” about 3,000 dead Americans on 9/11.  On the contrary, Muhammad celebrated the Islamic jihadist murderers of those Americans as “The Magnificent 19.”  But of course, those dead were infidels—Bakri has apparently not picked up on the new theme from the Islamic supremacist propaganda machine in the U.S., that Muslims were killed in the twin towers' collapse, and therefore a triumphal mosque at Ground Zero is altogether fitting and proper.

Another Islamic cleric, the Iraqi Sheikh Abdul-Sattar al-Janabi, warned about Osama’s sea burial that “what was done by the Americans is forbidden by Islam and might provoke some Muslims.  It is not acceptable, and it is almost a crime to throw the body of a Muslim man into the sea.”

Al-Janabi is not on record saying that the 9/11 attacks were “forbidden by Islam” or were “almost a crime.”  But again, they were just infidels.  The body of the great hero is another thing altogether.

And instead of telling these men and other outraged Muslims to take a long walk off a short pier, Barack Obama granted that they had a point, assuring the media that American personnel were “respectful of the body.”  He thus demonstrated (yet again) that he was interested in taking pains not to “humiliate Muslims,” and that he was being careful not to do anything that was “forbidden by Islam and might provoke some Muslims,” much less anything that an Islamic cleric would classify as “almost a crime.”

In displaying such sensitivity, Obama wins no points in the Islamic world.  He only appears as what he is, which is weak and unwilling to do what is necessary to defeat the Islamic jihad that will be in no way stopped by the death of Osama bin Laden.

In 1945, when Adolf Hitler committed suicide in his besieged Berlin bunker, German officials were careful to burn his body.  They wanted to make sure his corpse didn’t fall into the hands of the Russians.  They knew the Russians were not likely to give Hitler a respectful Aryan funeral, but would probably display his body as a trophy.  Imagine if Hitler had been captured and killed by American troops.  Can you envision FDR ordering that he be given a dignified funeral and burial?

Of course he would not have, for to have done so would have been to suggest some legitimacy to this genocidal monster's actions, his life, and his legacy.  And in saying (counterfactually) that Osama bin Laden was “not a Muslim leader,” Obama seems to have been trying to deny the al-Qaeda chief exactly that.  So why then turn around and force American troops to endure the rites of the very religion that inspired bin Laden to commit mass murder in the first place?

It was no less absurd and insulting than the Americans’ burying Hitler with a Nazi flag draped over his coffin would have been in 1945.  Obama owes the American people an apology.

19567
Radicals warn 'it is only a matter of time' before another atrocity
EDL member burns Bin Laden effigy among extremist Muslims

A protest by hundreds of Osama Bin Laden supporters sparked fury outside the US Embassy in London today as they staged a mock 'funeral service' for the terror leader.
Police stepped in to separate the protesters and members of the English Defence League amid threats of violence from both sides.
Radicals carrying placards proclaiming 'Islam will dominate the world' branded US leaders 'murderers' and warned vengeance attacks were 'guaranteed'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384353/Osama-bin-Laden-mock-funeral-Fury-erupts-outside-US-Embassy-London.html

19568
Politics & Religion / Turkey: Thousands attend bin Laden 'funeral'
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:56:20 PM »

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4066313,00.html

Turkey: Thousands attend bin Laden 'funeral'


Mourners gather in Istanbul to give al-Qaeda leader burial rites – even though he was buried at sea. 'US, UK, Israel murdered a martyr,' mourners chant

Aviel Magnezi Published:  05.08.11, 20:16 / Israel News 





Thousands participated in a funeral ceremony for assassinated al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Istanbul on Friday, following Muslim burial rites but not including an actual burial.

 


Bin Laden was taken out by Navy SEAL troops last week and was subsequently buried at sea.

 

"The US, UK and Israel are the murderers of the martyr," the participants chanted. "The US is the terrorist, bin Laden is the warrior."

   
 
The mourners carried pictures of bin Laden and signs condemning his assassination, and called the man who planned the September 11, 2001, terror attacks that killed thousands of Americans "a beautiful, wise man, a warrior for Islam."

 

The mourners, who gathered near Istanbul's Fatih Mosque, which is located in the area that is considered Turkey's epicenter of Islamic extremism, burned Israeli, American and British flags, and prayed facing a stone bench that traditionally holds the body of the deceased.

19569
Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:46:20 PM »
Never miss a chance to jew-bash, do you? How do women get treated in the surrounding nations? It's more than their photos they have to worry about being clipped.

19570
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:43:59 PM »
"Osama bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He he was a mass murderer. A mass murderer of people around the world, including Muslims," Carney said at Wednesday's press briefing.

So why the concern with islamic burial rituals? It's not like he had a following amongst the "vast majority of peaceful muslims" we keep hearing about, right?

19571
Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 09, 2011, 07:28:39 PM »
But we've been told over and over that bin Laden wasn't a muslim, so why the concern?

19572
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 09, 2011, 09:54:13 AM »
It's not a conventional nation-state vs. nation-state war, but it is a war. Does law enforcement have a role in it? Sure. Does intelligence and the occasional SEAL team provided death hold a much more important role? Yes.

19573
Politics & Religion / Bin Laden's funeral
« on: May 09, 2011, 06:54:32 AM »
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2011/05/07/did-naval-burial-ceremony-for-bin-laden-curse-jews-and-christians-and-confer-pardon-and-paradise-on-the-muslim-mass-murderer/

Did Naval Burial Ceremony for Bin Laden Curse Jews and Christians, and Confer Pardon and Paradise on the Muslim Mass Murderer?

May 7th, 2011 by Andrew Bostom


Anneke Green has a disturbing analysis in the Washington Times which indicates the very likely specifics of the burial ceremony aboard the USS Carl Vinson—repeatedly noted by witless counter-terrorism czar John Brennan to be in strict “conformance to Islamic requirements”—for pious Muslim jihadist Osama Bin Laden, orchestrator of the mass murder of Americans on 9/11/2001.
 
As Green reports, “Navy Military Funerals, (pp. 34-35)” a protocol developed by the Navy, describes in explicit detail what transpires during a Muslim sea burial:
 
The body must have been washed and wrapped “as required for the bodies of Muslims,” which refers to ceremonial cleanings that must be done by another Muslim. Those who have gathered to pray at the burial—ostensibly crewmembers since family is not allowed at sea burials—must face Mecca.

But the most shocking details Green has uncovered concern the formal funeral prayers which must be uttered—as specified by the Navy—during the segment of the burial ceremony in which supplication for the Muslim decedent is made. The requisite prayer includes the following statements:
 
“O Allah, forgive him, have mercy on him, pardon him, grant him security, provide him a nice place and spacious lodgings, wash him (off from his sins) with water, snow and ice, purify him from his sins as a white garment is cleansed from dirt, replace his present abode with a better one, replace his present family with a better one, replace his present partner with a better one, make him enter paradise and save him from the trials of grave [sic] and the punishment of hell.”
 
But what Green’s discussion omits is that before this supplication, the required prayer service (see p. 34) includes the opening sura (chapter) of the Koran, or “Fatiha”.  As copiously documented by the most authoritative Muslim Koranic commentaries—past and present—verse 1.7 from this sura includes an eternal curse upon Jews and Christians, as noted in this official modern Koranic translation by Drs. Muhammad al-Hilali and Muhammad Khan (p.12):
 
“The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).”
 
For example, the 2008 English translation (by a pious Muslim translator) of the classical single volume Koranic commentary Tafsir al-Jalalayn, proclaims,
 
“This translation gives non-Arabic speakers access to one of the seminal works of classical tafsir literature. It is hoped that it will prove a valuable aid to the correct understanding of the Qur’anic Revelation throughout the English-speaking world.”
 
As the Koranic commentary Tafsir al-Jalalayn explains, Muslims are told in the preceding verse, Koran 1:6,
 
“Guide us on the straight path” means, direct us to it.

The commentary continues,
 
It is followed by its appositive [in verse 7], “…the Path of those You have blessed,” with guidance, “not of those with anger on them,” who are the Jews, “nor of the misguided,”who are the Christians. The grammatical structure here shows that those who are guided are not the Jews or the Christians. Allah Almighty knows best what is correct, and to Him is the return and the homecoming. May Allah bless our Master Muhammad and His family and Companions and grant them abundant peace always and forever. Allah is enough for us and the best Protector. There is no strength nor power except by Allah, the High, the Immense.

The modern Koranic commentary Ma’ariful Qur’an, written by Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafi (1898-1976), former Grand Mufti of (pre-Partition) India, and founder of Darul Ulum Karachi, is the best known Koranic commentary in Urdu. This modern Koranic exegesis comports with the classical commentary on verse 1:7, highlighting the Koran’s strident Antisemitism, and accompanying Christianophobia:
 


Those who have incurred Allah’s wrath are the people, who in spite of being quite familiar with the commandments of Allah willfully go against them out of a calculated perversity or in the service of their desires, or, in other words, who are deficient in obeying divine injunctions. This, for example, was the general condition of the Jews who were ready to sacrifice their religion for the sake of a petty worldly gain, and used to insult and sometimes even to kill their prophets.
 


As for (those who go astray), they are the people who, out of ignorance or lack of thought, go beyond the limits appointed by Allah, and indulge in excess and exaggeration in religious matters. This, for example, has generally been the error of the Christians who exceededthe limits in their reverence for a prophet and turned him into a god. On the one hand, there is the rebelliousness of the Jews who not only refused to listen to the prophets of Allah but went on to kill them; on the other hand, there is the excessive zeal of the Christians who deified a prophet.
 
There is more than ample reason to believe that the Navy Military Funerals protocol was indeed followed—a logical inference, which at any rate should be confirmed or denied by release of the reported video footage of Bin Laden’s “ceremonial burial”—because as Anneke Green notes:
 
According to the Pentagon, “prepared religious remarks” were read at bin Laden’s funeral, but when asked whether his burial was performed according to Navy Military Funeral protocol, they had “no additional operational details or comments to make.”  Mr. Brennan, however, in his Monday briefing on the bin Laden operation, reassured reporters that, “Burial at sea takes place on a regular basis. The U.S. military has the ability to ensure that that burial is done in a manner that is, again, consistent with Islamic law, as well as consistent with what the requirements are for a burial at sea.  And so that burial was done appropriately.”
 
The grotesque dhimmitude in these apparent details—so destructive of our nation’s soul, in accord with the fundamental goal of Islamic supremacism—defies speech, and demands a thorough public airing for all Americans, first and foremost those whose family members were slaughtered during the 9/11/2001 acts of jihad terrorism.
 

19574
Politics & Religion / Nuclear concerns
« on: May 06, 2011, 05:08:04 PM »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/5/evidence-at-bin-ladens-home-raises-nuclear-concern/

Intelligence analysts are sifting through phone numbers and email addresses found at Osama bin Laden’s compound to determine potential links to Pakistani government and military officials while U.S. officials and analysts raise concerns about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear materials.

According to three U.S. intelligence officials, the race is on to identify what President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, has called bin Laden’s “support system” inside Pakistan. These sources sought anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to reporters.

“My concern now is that we cannot exclude the possibility that officers in the Pakistani military and the intelligence service were helping to harbor or aware of the location of bin Laden,” said Olli Heinonen, who served as the deputy director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) from 2005 to 2010.

“What is to say they would not help al Qaeda or other terrorist groups to gain access to sensitive nuclear materials such as highly enriched uranium and plutonium?”

The U.S. has worried quietly about the infiltration of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and military for years. Those concerns heightened in recent months when the CIA learned that bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad was a stone’s throw from Pakistan's military academy.

Politico first reported this week that CIA Director Leon E. Panetta told members of Congress that bin Laden’s clothing had two phone numbers sewn into it at the time of the raid. Those numbers and other contacts found at the compound are key clues in an effort to determine what elements of Pakistan’s national security establishment provided support to bin Laden and al Qaeda.

“I can tell you that concern about al Qaeda and other terrorists’ infiltration into the ISI is not new on the part of the Congress or the [George W.] Bush and Obama administrations,” said Rep. Steve Rothman, a New Jersey Democrat who serves on two House Appropriations subcommittees that fund defense and foreign aid.

Mr. Rothman has attended top-secret briefings on the Abbottabad raid and the impact of the raid on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“As a matter of course, and for good reason, the materials that were removed from bin Laden’s home in Pakistan are being run down for leads that could assist the United States in apprehending individuals or entities who have sought to harm Americans or who have enabled others to harm Americans,” he said.

Another U.S. intelligence official told The Washington Times that other phone numbers and emails were recovered in the raid.

19575
With the many document flaws of TSA, it still looks good when compared to the private security screening of pre-9/11.

TSA screening is designed to deter terrorists, not catch them. Now there are criminal investigators/FAMS assigned to Joint Terrorism Task Forces that are seeking out terrorists proactively.....

I have yet to see a better system suggested that is practical in the US. If you want El Al profiling, you better get on board with Shin Bet domestic intelligence gathering.

19576
There are multiple challenges to TSA screening in the court system now. We'll see if the constitutionality of the screening is upheld. I know where I'd put my money if there was betting on the ultimate ruling.

19577
Can you see a difference between securing commercial aircraft post-9/11 and personal grooming?

19578
Politics & Religion / Job Opening: New Global Jihad Leader Wanted
« on: May 05, 2011, 09:09:19 AM »

Job Opening: New Global Jihad Leader Wanted

 by Raymond Ibrahim
 National Review Online
 May 2, 2011



With the killing of Osama bin Laden, we return to the age old question: which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
Or, in our context, which came first—the jihadist vision or the jihadist? The ideology or the ideologue?
 
Did Osama "create" the ideology of jihad, or did the ancient ideology of jihad create him—and countless like him, past, present, and future?
 
Years ago, Ayman al-Zawahiri, now al-Qaeda's undisputed leader, placed it all in context. After he was asked about the status of bin Laden and the Taliban's Mullah Omar, he confidently replied:
 

Jihad in the path of Allah is greater than any individual or organization. It is a struggle between Truth and Falsehood, until Allah Almighty inherits the earth and those who live in it. Mullah Muhammad Omar and Sheikh Osama bin Laden—may Allah protect them from all evil—are merely two soldiers of Islam in the journey of jihad, while the struggle between Truth [Islam] and Falsehood [non-Islam] transcends time (The Al Qaeda Reader, p.182).
 
In short, bin Laden's death, while intrinsically good, has no instrumental value against the jihad—a phenomenon that "transcends time" and "is greater than any individual."

19579
Please cite the part of the constitution where your have the right to board a commercial flight.

19580
Politics & Religion / NYT: FAIL
« on: May 05, 2011, 08:43:19 AM »
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/05/nyt-magazine-cover-story-a-beast-within-the-heart-of-every-fighting-man/

NYT magazine cover story: ‘A Beast Within the Heart of Every Fighting Man’

We’ll call this the mother of all narrative fails. The very week that the NYT magazine runs a negative, anti-military cover story with a brooding graphic on the cover, the beast within the heart of the US Navy SEALs takes down the world’s worst terrorist. No kidding.
 


Beneath that cover over at the mag’s web site, we get this for a teaser:
 

The case against American soldiers accused of murdering Afghan civilians turns on the idea of a rogue unit. But what if the killings are a symptom of a deeper problem?
 
Well. The case of the New York Times trashing the military the very week that it efficiently takes down Osama bin Laden turns on some yellow journalism and awful timing. But what if the Times‘ releasing of US war plans before the invasion of Iraq, its cheerleading for the Soviets and the Viet Cong and whoever else happens to be against America at the moment, is a symptom of a deeper problem?
 
(thanks to gus)

19581
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 05, 2011, 07:43:09 AM »

19582
Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: May 05, 2011, 07:15:34 AM »
It's obviously the Israeli stubborn refusal to commit collective suicide that is preventing the glorious peace that is oh so close at hand.  :roll:

19583
Politics & Religion / Violation of international law?
« on: May 05, 2011, 06:31:06 AM »
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-european-media-reacts-to-death-of-osama-bin-laden/?singlepage=true


The European Media Reacts to Death of Osama Bin Laden

European journalists have focused on whether the killing was permissible under international law; some are now calling for an international commission to investigate the American action.

May 5, 2011 - 12:08 am - by Soeren Kern

Leading newspapers and magazines in Europe have provided saturation coverage of the death of Osama bin Laden. Although initial media reaction in Europe was overwhelmingly supportive of the American commando operation, media outlets in many countries quickly regained their composure and anti-Americanism has now returned as their default position.
 
European media, almost without exception, have focused particular attention on the news that bin Laden was not armed when he was killed by American operatives. Many Europeans have criticized what they describe as America’s “wild-west” concept of justice. Dozens of European newspapers have published lengthy philosophical essays by sundry intellectuals that examine the morality of bin Laden’s killing. Many argue that bin Laden should have been tried in a court of law.
 
In a reflection of the acute sense of moral superiority that is so common in contemporary Europe, secular analysts who are normally highly disdainful of Judeo-Christian moral codes have gone so far as to accuse the United States of violating the Fifth Commandment, without a hint of irony.
 
In Germany, the media reaction has been especially noteworthy for its near unanimous criticism of the American raid. Many German analysts say the American action was illegal under international law and some Germans have called for an international commission (similar to the Goldstone Commission in Israel) to investigate the U.S. foray into Pakistan. Unanswered remains the question of whether European activists will accuse U.S. President Barack Obama of war crimes and seek a warrant for his arrest as they did for George W. Bush, who recently was forced to cancel a trip to Switzerland.
 
In Britain, the left-wing Guardian newspaper ran a story titled “Osama bin Laden: U.S. Changes Account of al-Qaida Leader’s Death” which says:
 

The U.S. has backed away from its initial account of the killing of Osama bin Laden, which claimed that the al-Qaeda leader was carrying a weapon and fired at U.S. troops before he was shot dead.
 
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[Q]uestions [are] being raised as to why Bin Laden was shot dead, and whether he was executed, rather than taken into custody.
 
Another Guardian story is titled “For 10 years, Osama bin Laden filled a gap left by the Soviet Union. Who will be the baddie now?” It says:
 

Neoconservatives, “terror journalists” and Osama bin Laden himself all had their own reasons to create a simple story of looming apocalypse.
 
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But he was also in a strange way a godsend to the west. He simplified the world. When communism collapsed in 1989, the big story that had been hardwired into citizens of western countries – that of the global battle against a distant dark and evil force – came to an abrupt end. Understanding the world became much more complicated until, amid the confusion of a global economic crisis in 1998 and the hysterical spectacle of the Monica Lewinsky affair, bin Laden emerged as the mastermind behind the bombings of embassies in east Africa.
 
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With bin Laden’s death maybe the spell is broken. It does feel that we are at the end of a way of looking at the world that makes no real sense any longer. But the big question is where will the next story come from? And who will be the next baddie? The truth is that the stories are always constructed by those who have the power. Maybe the next big story won’t come from America. Or possibly the idea that America’s power is declining is actually the new simplistic fantasy of our age.
 
Finally, the Guardian, echoing many other European newspapers, hopes the demise of bin Laden will accelerate the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan.
 
A story in the Guardian titled “Osama bin Laden Killing Sparks Calls for Early Afghanistan Withdrawal” says:
 

The killing of Osama bin Laden has opened up divisions inside Barack Obama’s administration over whether the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, which is scheduled to begin this summer, should be bigger and faster than planned.
 
Politicians, soldiers and analysts from the U.S. to Afghanistan have debated whether the removal of the al-Qaida leader will shorten the war and open the way for reconciliation with the Taliban.
 
A fawning love letter to Obama by the left-wing Independent titled “Obama Has Shown the World Why it Fell in Love with Him” says:
 

He is not the Messiah, but he deserves to sleep easy in his bed, and leave the 3am angst to malevolent midgets like Donald Trump who will never trouble him again.
 
* * *
 
To those watching at home and around the world, he said, “a new dawn of American leadership is at hand.” After two years of hawkish foreign policy barely distinguishable from his predecessor’s, he has made good on that promise – not just with the killing of bin Laden, but by its manner. All the expert advice, we read, was to do what the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan and all other leaders in memory, recent or otherwise, would have done, which is flatten the compound and its environs with missiles.
 
* * *
 
People have criticised him for being ‘professorial’ as well as arrogant. They will do so no longer. He pondered for months, studied the research, weighed up the evidence, and reached the right conclusion. This is one cool, tough prof, and the lesson he has taught by example won’t quickly be unlearnt. In asymmetric warfare against a stateless enemy, invading sovereign states and slaughtering civilians is not the way to go.
 
If that sounds childishly simple, it defeated the simpleton Bush and his brutish cabal as they confused two-bit fake patriotism with American self-interest, and indiscriminate crusader cruelty with military wisdom. Let no one hear attempts to share Obama’s credit with Dubya without revulsion. He failed pitifully in this, as in almost every thing else, and even if water-boarding a key al-Qaeda operative helped to identify the courier, it cannot begin to justify holding boys of 14 and senile 89-year-olds at Guantanamo Bay. Guantanamo remains open. Obama hasn’t honoured on every promise, nor will. He is not the Messiah, although if the Kool Aid truck has redelivered at last, make mine an octuple.
 
Also at the Independent, Robert Fisk, the veteran Middle East correspondent, like many of his left-wing colleagues, has tried to promote conspiracy theories.
 
One essay by Fisk is titled “If this is a U.S. Victory, Does that mean its Forces Should go Home Now?” It says:
 

And there’s Bin Laden’s secret burial in the Arabian Sea. Was this planned before the attack on Bin Laden, with the clear plan to kill rather than capture him? And if it was carried out “according to Islamic rights” – the dead man’s body washed and placed in a white shroud – it must have taken a long time for the officer on the USS Carl Vinson to devise a 50-minute religious ceremony and arrange for an Arabic-speaking sailor to translate it.
 
Another Fisk conspiracy theory is titled “Was He Betrayed? Of course. Pakistan Knew Bin Laden’s Hiding Place all Along.” It says:
 

A single shot to the head, we were told. But the body’s secret flight to Afghanistan, an equally secret burial at sea? The weird and creepy disposal of the body – no shrines, please – was almost as creepy as the man and his vicious organisation.
 
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The Americans were drunk with joy.
 
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By midday yesterday, I had three phone calls from Arabs, all certain that it was Bin Laden’s double who was killed by the Americans – just as I know many Iraqis who still believe that Saddam’s sons were not killed in 2003, nor Saddam really hanged. In due course, al-Qaeda will tell us. Of course, if we are all wrong and it was a double, we’re going to be treated to yet another videotape from the real Bin Laden – and President Barack Obama will lose the next election.
 
The center-right Daily Telegraph, in an essay titled “How Many More Details of the bin Laden Raid will need to be ‘Clarified’?” says:
 

Oh dear, and it was all going so well. The White House has just “clarified” crucial aspects of the special forces operation  that ended with the execution of Osama bin Laden. Specifically, it has pointed out that the leader of al-Qaeda was not firing an AK-47 when he was shot dead and that his wife was neither killed nor used as a human shield. Those three vivid details of the raid were the ones that dominated newspaper front pages across the world – and not one of them turns out to be true.
 
The glaring difference between the two versions was being attributed to “confusion” by the White House. What officials called the “fact pattern” – and we would call the truth – was only emerging as more of the participants were debriefed. This is all rather troubling. The fog of war does lead to confusion and mistakes but wouldn’t it have been more sensible if the White House had debriefed all the participants before pumping out headline-grabbing but inaccurate accounts of the action?
 
Also in the Telegraph, an essay titled “The Death of Osama bin Laden is American Rough Justice, Wild West-Style” says:
 

America is a nation of laws, but beneath all that fine sentiment about procedure there is a stronger hunger for natural justice. One is put in mind of the great, 19th-century historian Hubert Howe Bancroft, whose work on the Wild West discovered and defended an American tradition of personal, violent justice. Lynch law and vendettas, he wrote, were the informal exercise of a people’s will to obtain a verdict that the state was currently powerless to achieve. Europeans had been emasculated by their reliance upon formal law and bureaucracy. It was in the American wilderness that the individual was once again freed to pursue their own kind of rough justice. The assassination of Osama is as American as the shootout that killed Billy the Kid. It is a personal Wild West drama writ-large on the global stage.
 
Then there’s the continental European media.
 
In France, in an analysis titled “Democracy Strikes Back: A French View On America After Bin Laden,” Dominique Moïsi, a respected French analyst of transatlantic relations, says:
 

The death of Osama bin Laden allows the United States to redefine crucial relationships: with itself, and with the rest of the world.
 
* * *
 
This wasn’t a case of America showing off its superior technology; it was neither drones nor missiles that ended the hunt for bin Laden. It was the audacity, courage and determination of its soldiers that made the difference in “avenging” the innocent victims of 9/11.
 
* * *
 
America might have entered a relative phase of decline, and its staggering debt places the nation in an undoubtedly uncomfortable situation of dependence on China. But it nonetheless still remains the only great “multi-dimensional” power. Neither China, nor India, nor Russia, and even less so the European Union, have the capacity or the will to undertake an operation like the one that led to the death of Osama bin Laden.
 
* * *
 
“Hard power,” the power to compel, is indispensable, and “soft power,” the power to convince, is not sufficient by itself. This is an essential lesson for Europe, but does it come too late?
 
Also in France, the weekly newsmagazine Le Point, in an article titled “Bin Laden’s Fatal Error,” says:
 

Americans retrieved old notions of vengeful and speedy justice that they had never completely lost since the conquest of the West. “We got him,” proclaimed banners, in response to Barack Obama’s own words announcing that U.S. commandos had killed Osama bin Laden. “Justice has been done,” the president said simply.
 
* * *
 
Just as the Japanese had underestimated the terrifying consequences that their treacherous attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941 would have for them four years later, bin Laden may have underestimated the anger and the desire for revenge that he would arouse by striking the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
But what of the German media?
 
Germany’s center-right Die Welt, in an article titled “Is Killing Bin Laden Worthy Of A Great Democracy?” says:
 

The images coming from the U.S. were reminiscent of the scenes following Saddam Hussein’s capture in December 2003, when he was hiding in a hole in a farm near the town of Tikrit. What followed was a degrading treatment of the Iraqi president on the world’s stage, allegedly to determine his identity. In fact, the show was meant to demonstrate the power of the United States.
 
* * *
 
The message was clear: we can catch anyone, and no one is safe. This time, it was Osama bin Laden who had his turn – the al-Qaeda leader was the No. 1 public enemy in the United States. A $50 million bounty had been issued for his capture: “dead or alive.”
 
* * *
 
President Obama personally gave the order for the mission, and Americans are now celebrating as if killing Osama bin Laden had solved all of their problems in one stroke – high unemployment, runaway national debt, failed health care reform, the country’s tarnished prestige in the world.
 
* * *
 
The execution of Osama bin Laden – or it is better to speak of murder? – allows Americans to forget their troubles for a moment. It is like a balm on the wounds of the nation. In the rush of emotion, no one is asking the questions that need to be asked. For example – was it really Osama bin Laden who was killed? Is it possible that it was one of his doubles?
 
* * *
 
In the United States, the accused have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Guilt or innocence can only be decided in a proper court of law. Osama bin Laden was given the “short shrift.” He did not have the opportunity to defend himself from the accusations made against him, he had no fair trial, no lawyer. He was probably not even asked to surrender. Such a procedure is unworthy of a constitutional state. Even Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Final Solution of the Jewish question, was given due process before he was sentenced to death.
 
* * *
 
If we ask ourselves, “cui bono?” (“who benefits?”), the answer is clear: the United States. The superpower was caught cold by the recent uprisings in the Arab world, it has failed to solve the Palestinian question, it has not even come to terms with inflation at home. Something needed to happen.
 
* * *
 
The timing was not perfect, but apparently no one wanted to wait until the tenth anniversary of 9/11.
 
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At the very least, we should now demand the creation of an independent commission to investigate whether or not, and under what circumstances, Osama bin Laden was killed. Only then will we know for certain and prevent the spread of conspiracy theories like the ones that have developed about events such as the moon landing and 9/11.
 
* * *
 
The leader of such a commission would need to be an experienced and impartial jurist.  For example, Richard Goldstone, the former Chief Justice of South Africa, who investigated Israel’s latest operation in Gaza.
 
The left-wing magazine Spiegel, in an article titled “He is Dead: Hurray?” says:
 

Much has been said about the Christian-influenced West’s civilizational superiority to the Islamic countries. But what is happening in the United States gives a different impression. When Americans celebrate the death of bin Laden with dancing and shouting over loudspeakers, it is horrifying to us [Germans/Europeans]. The bizarre cheers show us that American society is alien to us. …
 
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“In God We Trust” is on every U.S. dollar bill, but this is not the forgiving God of the New Testament God – but rather the vengeful God of the Old Testament. In this country [Germany], rehabilitation is the goal of society, in the U.S. it is retaliation, including the death penalty.
 
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That the death penalty may be imposed on bin Laden, even without trial, if only the crime and anger are big enough, and that their enforcement is enthusiastically applauded, proves how deeply the “eye for an eye” ideology is rooted in American society. Resentment may be powerful – morally superior it is not.
 
Also in Germany, the Legal Tribune, which is affiliated with Spiegel, published an article titled “On the Problem of the State’s ‘License to Kill’” which says:
 

Was the United States entitled to liquidate their No. 1 public enemy so easily and without a trial? When a state kills specific individuals without first trying them in a court of law, this is an illegal action. Beyond the question of whether the victim may have deserved his fate, human rights laws prohibit the killing of persons without following legal processes, such as those established by Article 6, Paragraph 1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights dated 16 December 1966. For this reason, the U.S. military drone attacks in Pakistan, as well as Mossad hit squads to kill a Hamas arms dealer in Dubai in January 2010, are a violation of human rights. In addition, they are a major breach of international legal principle of non-interference; see for example Article 2 of the UN Charter.
 
The left-wing magazine Stern, in an article titled “Were They Allowed to do This?” says: “Osama bin Laden’s death is a political success for the USA. But were U.S. commandos allowed to just kill the leader of al-Qaeda? Or was this a case of ‘might makes right’?” Stern then lays out three legal scenarios: 1) Yes, it was legal because it was a police action; 2) Yes, it was legal because he was involved in a war; and 3) No, it was an illegal execution. The magazine prefers option 3 and says: “The U.S. government has so far only said the operation adhered to legal standards. It is still unclear what standards Obama’s lawyers mean.”
 
The left-wing Berliner Morgenpost, in an article titled “America Celebrates Bin Laden’s Death – and Shames Itself,” says:
 

Many Americans are celebrating the death of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden with euphoria and pure hate. Some Americans have expressed shame over the empty triumphalism.
 
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Time, the old, once proud, now ailing news magazine, has announced that bin Laden will be on the magazine’s cover for a fourth time, this time with a red cross over a rogue portrait. Adolf Hitler, in its issue of May 7, 1945, was the first to have the privilege. Then, after a long break came Saddam Hussein (2003) and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (2006). … The American writer Mark Twain was the first to point out the conflicted American psyche when he wrote: “I never wished a man to die, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.”
 
The centrist Süddeutsche Zeitung, in an essay titled “Applause for Bloody Revenge,” says:
 

Obama argues that by killing bin Laden “justice” has been restored. But many say the U.S. president has appealed to an “Old Testament sense of justice,” that is to say, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. This is actually “revenge” and has no international legal legitimacy.
 
In the center-left Frankfurter Rundschau, an article titled “Merkel’s False Joy” says:
 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a pastor’s daughter and the leader of a party that calls itself Christian. One should think that the Ten Commandments serve as their guide. For example, the fifth, “You shall not kill.” Now this is a recommendation on which every civilized human being can agree.
 
* * *
 
But how do we fit this with the message of the Chancellor: “I am delighted that we managed to kill bin Laden.” She is happy about the violent death of a terrorist, but who after all was also a human being. Was she paying attention in church when the pastor taught about the Fifth Commandment?
 
* * *
 
In the case of Merkel, the contradiction between the Christian talk and actual conduct is especially noteworthy. But the double standards of Western society is reflected everywhere. Anyone who claims to fight for the rule of law should not trample on its principles.
 
The centrist Die Zeit, in an article titled “Bin Laden Should Have Been Tried in a Court of Law,” says: “Killing bin Laden was a strategic mistake. A trial of the al-Qaida chief would have demonstrated the superiority of the democratic system. … The U.S. has missed an historic opportunity. … The Western world was in a similar situation once before. How great was the fear of the Allies before the Nüremberg trials. It was feared that Goering’s monologues would renew the enthusiasm of Germans for their slogans. … But the Allies went through it, according to the rule of law and as fair as possible. Today the Nüremburg trials are considered to have sown the seeds for the establishment of the International Criminal Court. … A trial of Osama bin Laden would have sent a very clever signal to the world community, which often has doubts about the principles of democracy (and those of America). It would have been a signal to the democracy movements in Arab countries. … A trial of bin Laden would have shown how much superior the rule of law is to an Al Qaeda-like theocracy.”
 
In Spain, the center-right ABC, in a commentary titled “Mourners of the New Che,” sums it up:
 

The reaction of the most ardent supporters of Socialist Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero and his media sycophants put in evidence the sinister result of years of Zapatero worship among certain sectors of the left. They were unable to congratulate the American president, whom they have worshipped as a “secular saint” in the mistaken belief that he was one of their own. The traditional knee-jerk anti-Americanism promoted by the radical left in our time has led to truly grotesque digressions on the relevance of the death of Osama bin Laden. Some have not shied away from defending bin Laden as the new Che. Making icons of murderers. Mourners crying out against the villainy of the “Evil Empire.” We should not be surprised. They are the same ones that support flotillas to Gaza in support of Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist organization that yesterday condemned “the assassination of the great Arab fighter hero.”
 
As the passage in this Spanish magazine concludes, “the phobia of freedom makes strange bedfellows,” indeed.
 
Die Zeit,
 
Soeren Kern is Senior Analyst for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group.

19585
Politics & Religion / Bin Laden burial at sea
« on: May 04, 2011, 09:27:59 AM »
Let's hope the US Navy treated OBL with the same civilized, quiet dignity shown for another muslim leader.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7mpnPJWDo[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7mpnPJWDo

19586
Politics & Religion / Re: Murder charges for SEALs?
« on: May 04, 2011, 08:09:08 AM »
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,760358,00.html

Justice, American Style

Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal?

An Analysis by Thomas Darnstädt






DPA

A victory celebration on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington on Sunday night.

Is this what justice looks like? Al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a secret military operation in Pakistan. Americans are celebrating, but there are serious doubts about whether the targeted killing was legal under international law and the laws of war.



Now, I could care less as to the alleged legality/illegality of killing OBL. Where are you lawfare advocates on this?


19587
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:53:28 AM »
So harboring bin Laden for years should have no consequences?

Basically that's right.

I am, and so are most Americas tired of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.  We don't need or want another involvement in Pakistan.

Better to move on and focus on China and the Pacific region who has been eating our lunch lately while we have been distracted in
the Middle East.  I don't care nor does anyone else I know really care about Pakistan or the Middle East. 

We were tired of Afghanistan after the soviets left and walked away then. We had the opportunity to get Bin Laden years before 9/11 and didn't want to deal with the issue, so we let him go.

See a pattern here?

19588
Politics & Religion / Pakistan's 'loose nukes'
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:50:45 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/markurban/2009/06/pakistans_loose_nukes.html

Pakistan's 'loose nukes'
Mark Urban | 19:15 UK time, Thursday, 11 June 2009

Every now and then in this business someone in a position to know some enthralling secret passes information on to you, but you have no means of backing it up from other sources.

A few years ago, I was told about extraordinary US contingency plans to recover Pakistan's nuclear weapons, in the event of a collapse of law and order or an extremist coup in that country.

My informant gave me considerable detail. A super-secret agreement had been put in place early this decade following confrontations between India and Pakistan, two nuclear armed nations, over the disputed Kashmir region.

In order to stabilise an otherwise potentially highly volatile situation, Pakistan would tell the US where its nuclear weapons were.

India had been promised, that in the event of some Pakistani national cataclysm, the Americans would move in to remove the nuclear weapons.

The "loose nukes" nightmare would thus be avoided, and India would not be tempted into a first strike on Pakistan's atomic arsenal.

Sometimes stories, even from people who have held senior positions in Western governments, are a little too good to be true.

This one seemed to smack of Tom Clancy. Nobody would ever confirm it, and indeed some of those I checked it out with were openly sceptical. So I never ran the story.

Perhaps, after all, my original informant had been trying to plant it.

Now that the Obama administration is openly voicing its concern about the threat to Pakistan's nuclear weapons from rising militancy in that country, some aspects of that original tip off have come back into sharp focus.

In April, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told a US senate committee, that the US spent a lot of time worrying about Iran getting nuclear weapons, but that Pakistan already had them, and that, "they've adopted a policy of dispersing their nuclear weapons and facilities".

In this phrase, "adopted a policy" I detected a possible inference that Pakistan had moved away from an earlier procedure of keeping their bombs in a small number of locations.

My further inquiries suggested this inference was deliberate.

So here at last was a measure of confirmation for something I had heard years earlier.

As to what exactly Pakistan had told the US in the time of president (and former army chief) Pervez Musharraf, we are once again in hazier territory.

We do know however that Mr Musharraf knew far more about the country's nuclear complex than any civilian leader has ever been allowed to learn.

We also know that in the first years after 9/11, there was intimate strategic co-operation with the US.

Of course any suggestion that the US might, in the past, have had plans to sweep up these weapons is politically sensitive in Pakistan.

The country revels in the status that its arsenal has given it. Any suggestion that there were plans to "secure" the bombs, even in a state of anarchy, would strike many Pakistanis as a US plot to emasculate an Islamic nuclear power.

Read it all.

19589
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:32:57 AM »
You might care if a Pak-nuke makes it's way into a cargo container to Long Beach.

19590
Politics & Religion / Murder charges for SEALs?
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:28:07 AM »
"The fact that our enemies do not follow is no reason for us not to."

Why? This is chanted over and over again like it's a article of faith. There are pragmatic reasons to treat enemy prisons of war well when we are fighting a nation-state's military. There are also pragmatic reasons to not provide those same protections to those who are not honorable soldiers, such as al qaeda.

"And your relunctance to follow the Constitution except when you find it convenient is pretty damning to your stance." 

Al qaeda enjoys constitutional protections? Then Hellfire missile strikes constitute a violation of 42 USC 1983 per Graham v. Connor.

You refuse to argue the issue, GM.  The reason is because, as I've said, if we fight for freedom, liberty, the expansion of democracy and the like, then we have to be the world's exemplar.  If we fail to illustrate the benefits of freedom, etc. then there is no reason for us to fight.  And, if we are fighting without staying true to the tenets we claim to be fighting for, then we, as a free nation, are no longer fighting... we are just another country in the world.  Also, if we take issue with others mistreating our soldiers, and we do and SHOULD, then we should treat others well.  That pesky leading by example thing. 

As I've said, but you refuse to read, acknowledge, or understand, is that the Constitution binds and describes when it comes to war.  And, since the highest law of the land helps to limit the methods of fighting a war, then your argument that law and war don't mix is full of holes that an ICBM could fly through.

It's looking like OBL was flat out executed by the SEALs, based on intel gained by waterboarding in secret prisons. Me, I'm quite pleased by this, of course. I'm wondering where the lawfare advocates are?

19591
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:17:47 AM »
So harboring bin Laden for years should have no consequences? Pakistan might crumble all on it's own. Then what of the Pak-nukes?

19592
Politics & Religion / Someone please explain....
« on: May 04, 2011, 07:12:48 AM »
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4064183,00.html

VIDEO - An imam from the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem vowed to take revenge over "the western dogs" for killing Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on Sunday.

Aftermath 
 
US aims to destroy al-Qaeda / News agencies
 
Washington determined to bring down terrorist organization after successfully killing its leader Osama bin Laden, top Obama advisor says
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In a Youtube video uploaded by the imam he said: "The western dogs are rejoicing after killing one of our Islamic lions. From Al-Aqsa Mosque, where the future caliphate will originate with the help of God, we say to them – the dogs will not rejoice too much for killing the lions. The dogs will remain dogs and the lion, even if he is dead, will remain a lion."

 

The imam then verbally attacked US President Barack Obama saying: "You personally instructed to kill Muslims. You should know that soon you'll hang together with Bush Junior."

 

"We are a nation of billions, a good nation. We'll teach you about politics and military ways very soon, with god's help," he vowed.

We've been told for almost a decade how Bin Laden doesn't represent islam. Why did OBL get a 'muslim' burial? Where are the global expressions of joy from the vast majority of peaceful muslims? Why so many angry words from this imam?

19593
Politics & Religion / Holder questioned by Issa
« on: May 04, 2011, 06:09:03 AM »
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/04/holder-grilled-on-project-gunrunner/

Holder Grilled on Project Gunrunner
 

posted at 3:24 am on May 4, 2011 by Patterico

 
It’s the Republicans’ top investigator in the House absolutely raking the AG over the coals, as he probes a failed policy that may have cost American lives. High drama indeed.
 
Attorney General Eric Holder was on the hot seat yesterday, squirming as he dodged tough questions about Project Gunrunner, the controversial ATF policy that may have resulted in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata.

19594
Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« on: May 04, 2011, 06:00:48 AM »
Obama argued that what he lacked in experience with foreign affairs he made up for with foreign travel: four years in Indonesia as a boy, and trips to Pakistan, India, Kenya, and Europe during and after college. But there was no mistaking the lightness of his résumé. Just a year before coming to Washington, State Senator Obama was not immersed in the dangers of nuclear Pakistan or an ascendant China; as a provincial legislator, he was investigating the dangers of a toy known as the Yo-Yo Water Ball. (He tried, unsuccessfully, to have it banned.)

Now this is about his speed. Should have stuck with this.

19595
Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 04, 2011, 05:57:43 AM »
If we are to act on the intel seized at OBL's safehouse, we need to act quickly. We should go after anyone and everyone implicated. Will we with this president? Probably not.

What will probably happen is we'll let the momentum die, leaving the potential for the Pakistan collapse and the birth of a nuclear jihadistan.

19596
Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 03, 2011, 09:21:49 PM »
You raise very good points, Doug.

19597
Politics & Religion / This just in....
« on: May 03, 2011, 07:10:57 PM »
Empire expresses surprise that Darth Vader was housed inside of "Death Star", charges Rebel Alliance with violations of law, excessive force in the destruction of peaceful space research facility....

19598
Politics & Religion / Re: Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS
« on: May 03, 2011, 05:13:18 PM »
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7 Minutes Vs. 16 Hours: How The Media Reports Delay
George Bush was relentlessly mocked for waiting seven minutes (actually waiting for his security detail to ready the exit and for his vehicle to be readied) before leaving the school he was visiting. He calmly finished reading My Pet Goat for the kids before going to his now-ready helicopter.

On the other hand, after Obama was told (most likely for the fifteenth time) that the CIA was really, really, really quite confident that Osama bin Ladin was at that compound in Abbottabad, he decided he needed to sleep on it.

Sixteen hours later (hours during which Osama might have fled-- bear in mind, his courier's name had just been outed by WikiLeaks), he made up his mind.

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama's inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we're told this:

"But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'."
Why does it matter that he did this "before they could speak"? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman's words, "almost Biblical"?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he's being paid to do.

Thanks to OCBill. This is from the Daily Mail, via Drudge.


To Be Honest: I don't begrudge a president some thinking time before a big decision.

But the media still hasn't explained to me which of the previous presidents and which of the potential/hypothetical future presidents wouldn't have ordered this.

If everyone including Jimmy Carter would have ordered this, then I'm afraid I don't see why President Made a Poopie should be so praised for doing what everyone else would have done. That is, why praise him for being ordinary?

And yes, even Jimmy Carter probably would have ordered this. At least the 1970s version Bear in mind: He did order a failed hostage rescue attempt -- also fraught with peril, obviously, since the choppers crashed in the desert.

A commando hostage rescue is a lot trickier than a hit, of course. A lot more moving pieces, and you have to get all those people safely away.

So why should I praise Obama for a choice that every single one of his predecessors and every plausible successor would also make?

And probably not requiring 16 hours to do so, either.

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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Economics
« on: May 03, 2011, 04:52:16 PM »
You miss the important points, Doug.

Was Stiglitz published in the right journals? Did he cite the right people? Is he well thought of in academic circles?

Worrying about practical matters is for lesser beings.

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Politics & Religion / Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS
« on: May 03, 2011, 02:25:33 PM »
Pulling the trigger on Bin Laden was a no brainer.

I guess I spoke too soon. It wasn't a no-brainer for our Peter Principle community organizer in chief.  :roll:

Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 7:20 PM on 3rd May 2011

President 'slept on it' as tense military chiefs awaited decision
Action started the next morning when Obama declared 'it's a go'
Mission delayed by one day after heavy cloud cover on Saturday night

Navy seals dodged Pakistani security to reach Bin Laden's lair

Outpouring of emotion on streets down to 'the same sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11' Obama told members of Congress

Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would 'sleep on it' before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden's compound.
Hit squads of specialist Navy Seals - who were not even told who they were preparing to capture - had practised the mission at two reconstructions of the terror chiefs sprawling compound.
The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.
 All smiles: President Barack Obama beamed broadly as he presents Michelle Shearer at the National Teacher Of The Year awards at the White House in Washington today
But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think - and disappeared out of the room.
'I'm not going to tell you what my decision is now - I'm going to go back and think about it some more,' said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added 'I'm going to make a decision soon.'
The head of the CIA and other senior intelligence officers who were keen to proceed were left tense as they waited for the president's decision.
But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared 'It's a go'.
With those three words, the greatest military operation in recent history began. Had it not been for heavy cloud cover on Saturday, troops would have been deployed then.
But they waited another day, and reached Pakistan just before midnight on Sunday evening. Obama refused to tell Pakistan about the mission in case it was leaked by jihadist sympathisers within the administration and Bin Laden took flight.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html

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