Immigration issues

[ccp]

Of course. Get them in the voting booths ASAP. By '18!!!

Then once citizens they can also bring in their families who can then bring in their families .  Get them on medicare medicaid food stamps.  Let em vote !!!  Ryan all for it !!!  Terrific.  We are so freakin "nice".  I wondered how in the world I was seeing older  patients who were born in other countries and live predominantly in those countries, some cannot speak a word of English, walking into my office *with Medicare*.  What a system .  Great for them.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/17/durbin-dems-understanding-trumps-daca-deal-includes-citizenship/

[Crafty_Dog]

While I don't agree with some of this article's comments, I do post it because of its description of the specifics of the RAISE Act bill.
 

http://www.speroforum.com/a/LACTVQECKE43/81709-The-RAISE-Act-meritbased-immigration-explained?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=FXQODGVTOK34&utm_content=LACTVQECKE43&utm_source=commentary&utm_term=The+RAISE+Act+meritbased+immigration+explained#.WcKBsHrcCeQ

[G M]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/record-135-billion-a-year-for-illegal-immigration-average-8075-each-25000-in-ny/article/2635757

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
by Paul Bedard | Sep 27, 2017, 6:30 AM  Share on Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email this article  Share on LinkedIn  Print this article
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The swelling population of illegal immigrants and their kids is costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill, according to the the most authoritative report on the issue yet.

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

State and local governments are getting ravaged by the costs, at over $88 billion. The federal government, by comparison, is getting off easy at $45 billion in costs for illegals.

President Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and conservatives in Congress are moving aggressively to deal with illegals, especially those with long criminal records. But their effort is being fought by courts and some 300 so-called "sanctuary communities" that refuse to work with federal law enforcement.


The added burden on taxpayers and the unfairness to those who have applied to come into the United States through legal channels is also driving the administration's immigration crackdown.

The report, titled "The Fiscal Burden Of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers," is the most comprehensive cost tally from FAIR. It said that the costs have jumped about $3 billion in four years and will continue to surge unless illegal immigration is stopped. It was provided in advance exclusively to Secrets.


"Clearly, the cost of doing nothing to stop illegal immigration is far too high," said FAIR Executive Director Dan Stein. "President Trump has laid out a comprehensive strategy to regain control of illegal immigration and bring down these costs," said Stein. "Building the wall, enhancing interior enforcement and mandating national E-Verify will go a long way in bringing these ridiculously high costs under control," he added.

Over 68 often shocking pages, FAIR documents the average $8,075 in state, local and federal spending for each of the of 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

Broadly, the costs include $29 billion in medical care, $23 billion for law enforcement, $9 billion in welfare, $46 billion for education.


Just consider the cost of teaching an illegal alien child who doesn't speak English. FAIR estimates an average cost of over $12,000 a year, and that can reach $25,000 in New York. Add to that welfare, health care, school lunches, and the per student price soars.

In state costs alone, California leads the list at $23 billion per year, followed by Texas at $11 billion, and New York at $7.4 billion.

And it also documents the taxes paid and how they don't come close to offsetting the costs. What's more, FAIR noted that 35 percent of the illegal population operate in an underground economy hidden from tax collectors. And worse, employers hire illegals and either pay them cheaply or under the table.

"The United States recoups only about 14 percent of the amount expended annually on illegal aliens. If the same jobs held by illegal aliens were filled by legal workers, at the prevailing market wage, it may safely be presumed that federal, state and local governments would receive higher tax payments," said FAIR.

Key findings pulled from the report:

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.
The nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.
On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) third.
At the state and local level, education ($44.4 billion) was by far the largest expense, followed by general public services ($18.5 billion) and medical ($12.1 billion).
The top three states based on total cost to state taxpayers for illegal immigrants and their children: California ($23 billion); Texas ($10.9 billion), and New York ($7.5 billion).
Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted at pbedard@washingtonexaminer.com

[ccp]

***  Since 1986, employers have been required by federal immigration law to verify an employee’s legal right to work in the U.S. They also must maintain records of each worker’s employment verification and identification documents.  ****

If we actually had real enforcement half the companies in the US would be fined:     


Pennsylvania Company to Pay Record Fine for Illegally Hiring Immigrants
Asplundh Tree Expert pleads guilty for employing those who didn’t have authorization to work in the U.S.

By Alicia A. Caldwell
Sept. 29, 2017 3:31 p.m. ET
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A Pennsylvania-based tree-trimming company was ordered to pay $95 million in the largest fine against a company for hiring thousands of immigrants who didn’t have permission to work in the U.S., according to federal officials.

Asplundh Tree Expert of Willow Grove, Pa., pleaded guilty in federal court in Philadelphia on Thursday to illegally hiring the immigrants. Some of the immigrants were in the U.S. illegally, none had authorization to work in the country, according to court documents.

A federal judge ordered the family-owned company to pay $80 million and adhere to an Administrative Compliance Agreement from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. The details of the agreement weren’t made public.

In a separate civil settlement, ICE said, the company agreed to pay $15 million related to its violation of immigration law.

ICE said Asplundh decentralized hiring so the company’s senior management could “remain willfully blind” as lower-level mangers hired and rehired workers they knew weren’t allowed to work in the U.S. The agency also said the lower-level managers knowingly accepted false or fake identification documents.

In a statement posted on the company’s website on Sept. 19, Chairman and CEO Scott Asplundh said the company, which has more than 30,000 employees in the U.S, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, took “immediate corrective action” after being told of the federal investigation in 2015. The company declined to comment further on Friday.

Policy changes, Mr. Asplundh said in the statement, included reviewing the identity of every employee using a photo ID system based on the face-recognition software used by ICE.

The company’s guilty plea and civil settlement were the result of a six-year investigation by ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations division.

Since 1986, employers have been required by federal immigration law to verify an employee’s legal right to work in the U.S. They also must maintain records of each worker’s employment verification and identification documents.

ICE routinely audits a business’s employment verification records and has levied tens of millions of dollars in fines since 2007. It is unclear what the largest fine was before this week’s against Asplundh.

However, in 2014, the latest figures available from the Department of Homeland Security, the government opened 2,022 workplace-enforcement cases and levied fines totaling more than $16 million.

[Crafty_Dog]

White House Makes Hard-Line Demands for Any ‘Dreamers’ Deal
By MICHAEL D. SHEAROCT. 8, 2017

The border wall between Tecate, Mexico, and Tecate, Calif., last month. Credit Paul Buck/European Pressphoto Agency

WASHINGTON — The White House on Sunday delivered to Congress a long list of hard-line immigration measures that President Trump is demanding in exchange for any deal to protect the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers, imperiling a fledgling bipartisan push to reach a legislative solution.

Before agreeing to provide legal status for 800,000 young immigrants brought here illegally as children, Mr. Trump will insist on the construction of a wall across the southern border, the hiring of 10,000 immigration agents, tougher laws for those seeking asylum and denial of federal grants to “sanctuary cities,” officials said.

The White House is also demanding the use of the E-Verify program by companies to keep illegal immigrants from getting jobs, an end to people bringing their extended family into the United States, and a hardening of the border against thousands of children fleeing violence in Central America. Such a move would shut down loopholes that encourage parents from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to send their children illegally into the United States, where many of them melt into American communities and become undocumented immigrants.

“Now is the time for Congress to adopt these immigration priorities,” Marc Short, the president’s legislative director, told reporters during a conference call on Sunday night. Otherwise, he added, illegal immigration “will likely increase.”

While it is unclear whether Mr. Trump views the demands as absolute requirements or the beginning of a negotiation, the proposals, taken together, amount to a Christmas-in-October wish list for immigration hard-liners inside the White House. Immigration activists have long opposed many of the proposals as draconian or even racist.


The demands were developed by a half-dozen agencies and departments, officials said. But among the officials behind the demands are Stephen Miller, the president’s top policy adviser, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, both of whom have long advocated extremely aggressive efforts to prevent illegal entry into the country and crack down on undocumented immigrants already here.

The demands represented a concerted effort to broaden the expected congressional debate about the Dreamers to one about overhauling the entire American immigration system — on terms that hard-line conservatives have been pursuing for decades.

In a letter to lawmakers, Mr. Trump said his demands would address “dangerous loopholes, outdated laws and easily exploited vulnerabilities” in the immigration system, asserting that they were “reforms that must be included” in any deal to address the Dreamers.

Democratic leaders in Congress reacted with alarm, saying the demands threaten to undermine the president’s own statements in which he had pledged to work across the aisle to protect the Dreamers through legislation.

“The administration can’t be serious about compromise or helping the Dreamers if they begin with a list that is anathema to the Dreamers, to the immigrant community and to the vast majority of Americans,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leaders in the Senate and the House, said in a joint statement.

Mr. Schumer and Ms. Pelosi, who declared after a White House dinner last month that they had reached a deal with Mr. Trump to protect Dreamers, denounced the president’s demands as failing to “represent any attempt at compromise.” They called it little more than a thinly veiled effort to scuttle negotiations even before they begin in earnest.

“If the president was serious about protecting the Dreamers, his staff has not made a good-faith effort to do so,” they added.

Last month, the president abruptly ended an Obama-era policy called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, in which former President Barack Obama had used his executive authority to protect about 800,000 of the young immigrants from the threat of deportation and provide them work permits.

Even as Mr. Trump kept his campaign promise to halt what he had described as “one of the most unconstitutional actions ever undertaken by a president,” he quickly added that he would work with Democrats in Congress to replace the executive policy with legislation, giving them six months to do so. But a White House official said on Sunday that Mr. Trump was not open to a deal that would eventually allow the Dreamers to become United States citizens.

“The president’s position has been that he’s called on Congress to come up with a permanent solution and a fix to this process,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, said last week.

Immigration advocates will most likely urge Democratic leaders to refuse a deal that includes the president’s proposals. But immigration and human rights advocates are also under pressure to do something for the Dreamers, thousands of whom will begin, by March, losing permission to work and protection from deportation if a deal is not reached.

Privately, many advocates have acknowledged that a negotiated deal with the Republican president is likely to include some immigration changes.

Administration officials responsible for securing the border and enforcing the nation’s immigration laws told reporters on Sunday night that the changes requested by the president were essential to protecting American workers from unfair competition and deterring what they described as a never-ending flow of illegal immigrants into the country.

On the president’s wish list is a long-sought Republican goal of stopping American residents from sponsoring the arrival of extended family members. His demand would limit residents to bringing only spouses and children.  Also central to the effort, officials said, are legal changes that would strip away the rights of illegal immigrants to claim asylum or make another case to stay in the United States, allowing federal officials to more quickly deport them.

“We cannot have true border security if we don’t change federal laws to ensure that people who are apprehended are removed,” said Ron Vitiello, the acting deputy commissioner for Customs and Border Protection.

Thomas D. Homan, the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said a vast increase in the number of agents and other federal resources would allow for a crackdown on immigration violators that had been difficult in the past.

Another key part of that crackdown would be on tens of thousands of children who have surged across the border with Mexico during the past several years, many of them seeking to escape gang-related violence in Central American countries. This year, about 38,500 children have been apprehended at the border without their parents.

Administration officials say the children — many of whom are sent to live with a cousin, aunt, uncle or sibling in the United States — must be turned back or quickly deported once they arrive. Under current law, many of them remain in the United States for years during legal proceedings to evaluate their asylum or refugee claims.

If the children are not deported quickly, officials say, many will never leave, eventually becoming a new population of sympathetic young immigrants who seek amnesty. That could create lasting cycles in which illegal immigrants demand to be given a legal status, the officials say.

The president’s demands include new rules that say children are not considered “unaccompanied” at the border if they have a parent or guardian in the United States. They also propose treating children from Central America the same way they do children from Mexico, who can be repatriated more quickly, with fewer rights to hearings.

Mr. Trump is also calling for a surge in resources to pay for 370 additional immigration judges, 1,000 government lawyers and more detention space so that children arriving at the border can be held, processed and quickly returned if they do not qualify to stay longer.

Critics say the focus on deporting unaccompanied children is heartless and impractical. They say many were sent by their parents on long, dangerous treks in the hopes of avoiding poverty, hunger, abuse or death by gangs in their home countries.

Advocates acknowledge that more resources are necessary to speed up those hearings. But they argue that White House efforts to demand quick decisions are likely to merely result in many children being sent back to places where they are raped, beaten or killed.

Sending the children back with just a cursory hearing is “a recipe for disaster in terms of returning people to danger,” said Wendy Young, the president of Kids in Need of Defense, a group that aids young refugees.

[ccp]

GM,

Smart political move by Trump by his giving Congress 60 days to come up with plan.

In one stroke he:
 does not alienate his base by giving the 800K illegals a pass,  though he does not rule out some sort of compromise for them.
he makes Congress come up with a plan
he insists on border control
he insists E verify
he insists on a wall and more agents
he insist on removing funding for Democrats in cities or states who refuse to enforce Federal law

Only problem:

The Republican cowards in the Houses

But Trump gets an A +

[DougMacG]

From Cog Diss Republicans thread:
CCP:  Doug
...But I don't understand what you mean here:

"And why is the Trump side opposed to bring the best and the brightest in, especially when they hold the screening controls?"

Are you saying Trump is restricting the best and brightest?  I don't see that. Look at our academic institutions.  They are *loaded* with foreign born.   And now the children of foreign born.

Did you see the Asian American lawsuit against Harvard?  They are claiming they are being discriminated against because they are Asian .  If true half the staff of Harvard should be Chinese.    So Trump may not be the ones restricting them. 

What great scientist can you name that has not been able to work in the US? 
------------------------------------
Thanks ccp, good points.  I can answer you more generally.  With illegal immigration and Democrat-led immigration we had some problems (understatement).  Again, see Ann Coulter's Adios America, well researched data.  The problems had to do with abandonment of what got us originally to the point of American greatness. 

1.  E Pluribus Unum: out of many, one.  Not to pick on any one Hispanic but as a group we have a lot of people  not becoming 'one' with the already here Americans.  The illegal flood wrongfully puts a cloud over the legal ones.  They aren't all going back so we need settlement of this issue, a stop to the flood and a pause or tightening of the legal inflow from where too many have come too fast to assimilate.

In this town, ditto that for Somalians who have other problems.  They aren't assimilating and a certain percentage of them are hostile to everything we stand for like peace and prosperity. 

If the problem today were Scandinavians, Scots or conservative political board writers, then pause or stop that too.

2.  Overstayed visas.  Non enforcement of our laws brought us 9/11.  The wall and southern border is only one aspect of the law breaking.

3.  National security and sovereignty: We can't have war gangs deciding who comes in.

4.  The phenomenon of "free shit".  Muslims don't go to Sweden for the weather or sunshine; they go for the world's most generous government benefits.  Same partly goes for us.  Liberals compare current inflow with previous ones, but people in the past did not come for that reason.  They came to pursue the American Dream in the Shiny City on the Hill.  Immigrants suffered, sacrificed, perservered and bettered themselves and the country.  Contrast that with now.

5.  Lastly or firstly, WE should decide who comes in, not be victims of it.

Regardless of where Trump is on this, in general, we will need laborers.  The US, like Europe, have demographic challenges.  But as mentioned, we have 100 million adults already here and not working at a point we are defining as full employment.  In fact, the size of our workforce is a fluid number that depends on incentives and disincentives to work - and has plenty of room to move.  So maybe the need for laborer is later.  Right now we need to entice some labor out of existing population.  But if we aren't willing to do that, we need laborers now.

I know that when we read the MIT class list or faculty list we don't see the most common names we have here:  Johnson, Anderson, Nelson, Olson, Peterson, Smith, Larson, Miller. http://kkcb.com/what-are-the-most-common-last-names-in-minnesota/  But I don't know by seeing their names how many are foreign students, how many are citizens, how many are allowed to stay and how many are forced to leave upon graduating - as G M referenced. 

What I know or believe is more general, that whether we are or not right now, it is in our best interest to retain and recruit the best and the brightest, the most ambitious and especially to attract and retain entrepreneurs, the dearth of the last ten years.  MHO. 

cf: Einstein was a nice catch for the US, won WWII.
Also András Gróf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove 
How many people are employed by the industry Intel (first microchip) pioneered and who is the next one to do that?
40% of Fortune 500 companies were founded by either immigrants or the children of immigrants
http://www.businessinsider.com/major-us-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2017-2

Others are certain to not do anything like that and some predictably pose a net loss loss to our country.  The point is that: we choose who gets in, based on our best interests.

[G M]

From Cog Diss Republicans thread:
CCP:  Doug
...But I don't understand what you mean here:

"And why is the Trump side opposed to bring the best and the brightest in, especially when they hold the screening controls?"

Are you saying Trump is restricting the best and brightest?  I don't see that. Look at our academic institutions.  They are *loaded* with foreign born.   And now the children of foreign born.

Did you see the Asian American lawsuit against Harvard?  They are claiming they are being discriminated against because they are Asian .  If true half the staff of Harvard should be Chinese.    So Trump may not be the ones restricting them. 

What great scientist can you name that has not been able to work in the US? 
------------------------------------
Thanks ccp, good points.  I can answer you more generally.  With illegal immigration and Democrat-led immigration we had some problems (understatement).  Again, see Ann Coulter's Adios America, well researched data.  The problems had to do with abandonment of what got us originally to the point of American greatness. 

1.  E Pluribus Unum: out of many, one.  Not to pick on any one Hispanic but as a group we have a lot of people  not becoming 'one' with the already here Americans.  The illegal flood wrongfully puts a cloud over the legal ones.  They aren't all going back so we need settlement of this issue, a stop to the flood and a pause or tightening of the legal inflow from where too many have come too fast to assimilate.

In this town, ditto that for Somalians who have other problems.  They aren't assimilating and a certain percentage of them are hostile to everything we stand for like peace and prosperity. 

If the problem today were Scandinavians, Scots or conservative political board writers, then pause or stop that too.

2.  Overstayed visas.  Non enforcement of our laws brought us 9/11.  The wall and southern border is only one aspect of the law breaking.

3.  National security and sovereignty: We can't have war gangs deciding who comes in.

4.  The phenomenon of "free shit".  Muslims don't go to Sweden for the weather or sunshine; they go for the world's most generous government benefits.  Same partly goes for us.  Liberals compare current inflow with previous ones, but people in the past did not come for that reason.  They came to pursue the American Dream in the Shiny City on the Hill.  Immigrants suffered, sacrificed, perservered and bettered themselves and the country.  Contrast that with now.

5.  Lastly or firstly, WE should decide who comes in, not be victims of it.

Regardless of where Trump is on this, in general, we will need laborers.  The US, like Europe, have demographic challenges.  But as mentioned, we have 100 million adults already here and not working at a point we are defining as full employment.  In fact, the size of our workforce is a fluid number that depends on incentives and disincentives to work - and has plenty of room to move.  So maybe the need for laborer is later.  Right now we need to entice some labor out of existing population.  But if we aren't willing to do that, we need laborers now.

I know that when we read the MIT class list or faculty list we don't see the most common names we have here:  Johnson, Anderson, Nelson, Olson, Peterson, Smith, Larson, Miller. http://kkcb.com/what-are-the-most-common-last-names-in-minnesota/  But I don't know by seeing their names how many are foreign students, how many are citizens, how many are allowed to stay and how many are forced to leave upon graduating - as G M referenced. 

What I know or believe is more general, that whether we are or not right now, it is in our best interest to retain and recruit the best and the brightest, the most ambitious and especially to attract and retain entrepreneurs, the dearth of the last ten years.  MHO. 

cf: Einstein was a nice catch for the US, won WWII.
Also András Gróf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove 
How many people are employed by the industry Intel (first microchip) pioneered and who is the next one to do that?
40% of Fortune 500 companies were founded by either immigrants or the children of immigrants
http://www.businessinsider.com/major-us-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2017-2

Others are certain to not do anything like that and some predictably pose a net loss loss to our country.  The point is that: we choose who gets in, based on our best interests.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/02/02/the-countries-with-the-most-stem-graduates-infographic/

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/stay-or-not-stay-calculus-international-stem-students-united-states

[DougMacG]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/02/02/the-countries-with-the-most-stem-graduates-infographic/

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/stay-or-not-stay-calculus-international-stem-students-united-states

The difference is staggering and all the numbers are surprisingly low.  In a country of 325 million we only have 500,000/yr. college degrees in all STEM subjects?  It makes me proud of my daughter but not of my country on that point.  That points to a larger problem than (legal) immigration.

[ccp]

Thanks GM and Doug for your thoughtful and insightful posts.

It is not so easy, I see, for graduates to stay and also somewhat risky in a sense as they may never be able to become permanent.

Perhaps we could raise the immigration levels for proved skilled  laborers then.

However,  I really like this private solution even better long term:

 https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/10/12/google-give-1-billion-nonprofits-help-americans-get-jobs-new-economy/756703001/

[Crafty_Dog]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/12/two-dreamers-caught-smuggling-illegal-immigrants-u/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTldGaE9XRmpaalJtTTJWaSIsInQiOiI3Qlo3cHJ1VmE1eHRvclJvc0ZnSWE4RlRBc3grcVVLRTJrRnNyVm5cLzlqaGZoVVwvRzJacVlkTFUzVlU0MVZiZElzUWJyeHBpMUR4Y1VnK2tvWTRienFYRTBFN2ZWTzViZWtvRFhJeFByTXB6OWNrcW5JbU90VExPTkR0TVwvM21UMSJ9

[DougMacG]

He is somewhat of a mainstream journalist (moderate Dem, oxymoron?) and he is telling Dems to take the deal with Trump.

It allows DACA children to stay.
"the beneficiaries were brought illegally to the United States as children by their parents, it's hard to make a case that they should be punished. As a practical matter, most have grown up as Americans.   They have few roots in their country of birth."

Samuelson justifies his support for a wall on three grounds:
reduce -- though not eliminate -- illegal immigration  (not a goal for the left!)

the wall would symbolize a major shift in U.S. immigration policy -- a tougher attitude  (Who knew?)

Finally, the wall is required as a political act of good faith to immigration opponents. They believe the wall would be effective, and the only way to prove -- or disprove -- these claims would be to try it.  (We had an election on that.  He says, honor it!)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/10/11/yes_build_the_wall_135239.html

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-homeland-security-documents-reveal-sanctuary-cities-denied-284-ice-detainers-three-months-released-illegal-aliens-charged-assaults-drug-weapons-violations/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tipsheet&utm_term=members&utm_content=20171016211944

[Crafty_Dog]

Its Breitbart, so caveat lector

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/10/17/ice-detainer-issued-for-suspected-wine-country-arsonist-in-sonoma-jail/

[G M]

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/statement-ice-acting-director-sonoma-countys-repeated-releases-dangerous-criminal

STATEMENT
10/18/2017
SHARE
Statement from ICE Acting Director on Sonoma County's repeated releases of dangerous criminal alien

“Once again, a non-cooperative jurisdiction has left their community vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes. ICE lodged a detainer against Jesus Gonzalez with Sonoma County jail officials on October 16, following his arrest on felony charges for maliciously setting fire to a property. This is especially troubling in light of the massive wildfires already devastating the region. Over the past year, ICE has lodged detainers against Mr. Gonzalez after four separate arrests by Sonoma County on various felony and misdemeanor charges. ICE was never notified of Mr. Gonzalez’ various releases. Additionally, Mr. Gonzales has been returned to his home country of Mexico on two separate occasions. The residents of Sonoma County, and the state of California, deserve better than policies that expose them to avoidable dangers. Non-cooperation policies – now enshrined in California state law – ensure only one thing: criminals who would otherwise be deported will be released and left free to reoffend as they please.”

Visit ICE.gov for more information

[ccp]

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2017-11-15.html

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/atlanta-immigration-arrests.html?emc=edit_ta_20171126&nl=top-stories&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0

[G M]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/atlanta-immigration-arrests.html?emc=edit_ta_20171126&nl=top-stories&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0

More and faster please!

[Crafty_Dog]

http://www.speroforum.com/a/AYKQUQLGYR21/82325-ICE-report-92-percent-illegal-aliens-arrested-have-criminal-convictions?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=QMMLFAGGYP58&utm_content=AYKQUQLGYR21&utm_source=news&utm_term=ICE+report+92+percent+illegal+aliens+arrested+have+criminal+convictions#.WieDs3Zrzcs

[ccp]

92 % of illegals arrested have criminal convictions


This is a bogus statistic

well yeah, they are NOT arresting the non criminals illegals ; they all slide

[G M]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/10/tuberculosis-comes-to-minnesota.php

Somali immigrants bring diversity and tuberculosis to Minnesota!

At least I hear they make great cops!

[DougMacG]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/10/tuberculosis-comes-to-minnesota.php

Somali immigrants bring diversity and tuberculosis to Minnesota!

At least I hear they make great cops!

We can't even get Garrison Keillor or Al Franken to assimilate.

Like Sweden, the 'refugees' don't come here for the weather - or any commonality with the 'host' nation.
Christmas morning forecast: -18 F. 
It should be a good year for iceboating, a favorite Somali pastime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NixkmV8d3lM (see 100mph on ice starting at 1:30 mark)

[Crafty_Dog]

http://dailysignal.com/2017/12/22/supreme-court-tellingly-rejects-lower-court-roadblock-to-elimination-of-daca-program/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell%22&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTURFNE1UQTJZelJoTlRBNSIsInQiOiI1WmpYeEQ4ak9Sa3hqSVNCcnNVT1l4YkNYRnlmTEJkT3ordjhXZG1FN0xudktsZXFMcVRuMHB6QVY1NUp3bEZyYkRORU93d283R0pwcUR4clNDekoya1BcL0tNY3BLMEkzcjJlaG1lVHExZG9NOGFyUTAxbXBpXC9oWVNOb0IwSVh5In0%3D

[Crafty_Dog]

Governors Pardon Immigrants Convicted of Serious Crimes to Halt Deportation

JANUARY 03, 2018

While the nation was preoccupied celebrating the holidays, the  While the nation was preoccupied celebrating the holidays, the governors of two major states pardoned immigrants convicted of serious crimes to shield them from deportation. First, California Governor Jerry Brown pardoned two men on the verge of being deported for committing crimes in the U.S., according to a Sacramento news report. Days later, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo pardoned 18 immigrants convicted of serious crimes so they could remain in the country. The foreigners had obtained legal immigration status in the United States but committed such abhorrent crimes that they faced removal after the completion of their criminal sentence. An official statement issued by the governor’s office refers to the pardoned as “contributing members of society” who face the “threat of deportation and other immigration-related challenges” as a result of their crimes.

Cuomo said the foreign criminals he pardoned had been rehabilitated but the “stigma of convictions” prevented them from gaining legal status or fully reentering society. "While the federal government continues to target immigrants and threatens to tear families apart with deportation, these actions take a critical step toward a more just, more fair and more compassionate New York," Cuomo said in a statement. The state press release also quotes several representatives from open borders groups praising the governor’s pardons. Among them is the president of a group dedicated to eradicating racial disparities in the criminal justice system, who commended Cuomo’s strong display of leadership. “Too many immigrants with prior criminal convictions are subjected to the gratuitous punishment of deportation, despite being longstanding contributing members of our community,” said the president of the Vera Institute of Justice. The director of the Center on Race, Inequality and the Law also applauded Cuomo, saying “deportation is an out-size punishment for prior criminal convictions when people serve their sentences and go on to become longstanding, law abiding, contributing members of society.”

Let’s look at a few of the newly pardoned immigrants. The Californians are two Cambodian men, Mony Neth of Modesto and Rottanak Kong of Davis, arrested in immigration sweeps a few months ago. The men, ages 42 and 39, came to the U.S. as children and were convicted of felonies as adults. The crimes include a weapons charge and association to a gang. Neth and Rottanak were scheduled to be deported in December along with dozens of other Cambodians convicted of crimes but a federal judge in southern California issued a temporary restraining order after their pro bono attorneys from a civil rights group filed an emergency motion. Nearly 2,000 Cambodians in the U.S. are subject to deportation, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) figures cited in a northern California newspaper. More than half of them have criminal convictions that stripped them of legal status.

The New York pardons include a 57-year-old Mexican transgender woman convicted of criminal facilitation, a 35-year-old man from Estonia convicted of larceny and a 53-year-old Dominican man convicted of criminal sale of a controlled substance. The Mexican national, Lorena Borjas, deserves to stay in the U.S. because she is a strong advocate for transgender and immigrant communities and runs HIV testing programs for transgender sex workers and a syringe exchange for transwomen taking hormone injections. The Estonian, Alexander Shilov, became a nurse and frequently gives talks on overcoming addiction. The Dominican, Freddy Perez, works as an electrician and takes care of his autistic younger brother. For these reasons, they deserve to remain in the U.S. despite their criminal histories, according to Cuomo.

This appears to be part of a broader effort by local governments to protect criminal immigrants from deportation. Months ago, Judicial Watch reported that prosecutors in two major U.S. cities ordered staff not to charge illegal immigrants with minor, non-violent crimes because it could get the offenders deported. Brooklyn, New York District Attorney Eric Gonzalez was the first to issue the order creating two sets of rules involving local crimes. The goal, according to a statement issued by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office, is “minimizing collateral immigration consequences of criminal convictions.” Taxpayers in the busy New York City borough are also paying for two immigration attorneys to train all staff on immigration issues and advise prosecutors when making plea offers and sentencing recommendations. The idea is to avoid “disproportionate collateral consequences, such as deportation, while maintaining public safety.” Gonzalez, the Brooklyn District Attorney, says he’s committed to equal and fair justice for all Brooklyn residents—citizens, lawful residents and undocumented immigrants alike.

A few weeks after Brooklyn proudly disclosed its policy, prosecutors in Maryland’s largest city joined the bandwagon, albeit more quietly. There was no public announcement or celebratory press conference but a local newspaper got ahold of an internal memo sent by Baltimore’s Chief Deputy State’s Attorney instructing prosecutors to think twice before charging illegal immigrants with minor, non-violent crimes. The chief deputy, Michael Schatzow, used similar language in the memo, writing that the Trump administration’s deportation efforts “have increased the potential collateral consequences to certain immigrants of minor, non-violent criminal conduct.” Schatzow is second-in-command to Baltimore’s top prosecutor, Marilyn Mosby, and oversees major crimes at the state agency. “In considering the appropriate disposition of a minor, non-violent criminal case, please be certain to consider those potential consequences to the victim, witnesses, and the defendant,” Schatzow wrote to his staff.

[ccp]

Lets see if they were potential Republicans he absolutely would not have pardoned them and be playing the tit for tat game with Trump.

Cuomo is the same as his old man.  I don't need to post any adjectives to get my point across.

[Crafty_Dog]

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/will-ice-arrest-guv-brown-for-violation-of-law-he-did-break-the-law/

[Crafty_Dog]

http://www.speroforum.com/a/HGBBHTDDNC21/82550-Motel-chain-sued-by-Washington-for-helping-federal-immigration-officials?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=RKMBQVQQDC47&utm_content=HGBBHTDDNC21&utm_source=news&utm_term=Motel+chain+sued+by+Washington+for+helping+federal+immigration+officials#.Wk43HXZG3cs

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/9/first-denaturalization-occurs-under-dojs-operation/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRReE1EVXpOamN3TkRrMCIsInQiOiJlZHNhU2I1UUpFRkJ0RXR3NVRQRTc4VnNvWVFqMHR1a3hcLzBwWWw0bjBvNmZzYmo5MW1OVzVxcm41aWc2SGFueXBuYWhBQnpPXC85QjZ6WDBHSThqN2I2M0lydlpzamh3ejRSUHNad01kNmRISUhCeU9jNTNia2E3cUFUYjFpVzhWIn0%3D

[Crafty_Dog]

https://spectator.org/importing-the-s-hole/

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/crudeness-and-truth-15668.html

[G M]

http://coldfury.com/2018/01/12/stacking-the-deck/


Stacking the deck
 Posted on 1/12/2018      by Mike     

The Left badly needs a new electorate. And they’ve been working hard as they can to get themselves one.

Why do we have an immigration system that favors countries on fire vs countries not on fire?

I’ve spoken to a British immigration lawyer who told me how hard it is for Brits to move to this country. If you have something to contribute to this country, stay out. If you’re going to be on welfare for the next three generations, go to the head of the line.

The left would never admit that it’s policy, but it’s policy.

It’s not purely partisan. That hypothetical Norwegian immigrant is very far from a sure GOP vote. It’s quite possible that a Norwegian immigrant is as statistically likely to vote Dem as a Haitian immigrant. And may even be more professionally left-wing.

But that’s not the only issue.

The left doesn’t just want likely voters that lean their way. Many welfare immigrants will never bother to get citizenship and have poor voter turnout rates. But they utilize as much of the system as possible. And that’s where the real money is.

Remember, elections come and go, but the bureaucracy endures.

Yep—and dependency on Uncle Sugartit is forever. But it really is about more than just stuffing more Wards ‘O The State into the maw of the Machine:

The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called “Dreamers” — a “critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”

The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies calling on Democrats to “refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them.”

Their ideology is stagnant, their policies stale, their programs the same old reliable failure they’ve always been; Trump’s remarkable ascension, stunning as it was to the business-as-usual DC remoras, would seem to demonstrate that enough voters now realize it to send them packing.

Admittedly, cobbling together a new electorate isn’t the entire Democrat Socialist motive for bringing in hordes of unskilled, illiterate, no more than half-bright immigrants that nobody really wants or needs, just as Daniel argues. But it’s certainly an important part of it—and if you don’t think so, just ask those among them like Palmieri who are at least smart enough to see the writing on the wall. Ultimately, though, their problem is even bigger, as Limbaugh glancingly mentioned today during a discussion of the Trump tax cuts:

The increase in your standard of living this year is money that the government did not get because the Republicans cut your taxes. And that’s it in a nutshell. And this is something, again, not one Democrat voted for. This is something that pretty much every member of the Democrat leadership lied about. This is something that no Democrat, not only didn’t vote for, but probably doesn’t support. This is a threat to Democrats! Rising economic stability, rising standards of living, less dependence on government?

Those are not good things. As I said yesterday, the Democrat Party is the one political party that profits from poverty, the one political party that attempts to grow and enrich itself with poverty. The Democrat Party is the Democrat Party that stakes its future on a constant underclass in poverty. Yet they claim they’re for the little guy.

And this right here—their cynical reliance on widespread, intractable poverty as a mechanism for gaining and maintaining power, their despicable pimping of helplessness and hopelessness—is why they’re almost certainly doomed. As I’ve said right along, they have revealed themselves as being unalterably, implacably opposed to the very idea of Making America Great Again. How does any party so twisted and perverse transform itself into something most normal Americans would ever want to vote for—especially at the moment those Americans are experiencing real, practical benefit from an America throwing off its Democrat-forged shackles and slowly but steadily rising to its feet once more?

Trump is undeniably getting results, and Americans are seeing the fruits of his labor in their own wallets, which means more to them than just about anything else, I’d bet. No, he hasn’t made good on every last promise he made as of yet, sure enough, and there’s nothing wrong with holding his feet to the fire when he looks like needing it. But the bottom line is this: can anybody out there remember a President that achieved so much of such profound benefit to the nation so quickly—in his first year alone? I’ve been paying attention to this stuff for a long time now, and I sure can’t.

Better still, every move Trump makes in implementing the MAGA agenda amounts to pounding another nail into the Democrat-Socialist coffin—or tossing another golden shovel-full onto their grave, more like. Which, burying them once and for all will likely prove to be the biggest step towards truly making America great again we could ever take, all by itself.

Best of all? Honestly, I cannot for the life of me see a single damned thing they can do about it. After all, they dug that hole themselves, and were so pleased by the excellence of their work that they went and just jumped right on in. Their GOPe handmaidens jumped in with them, following their lead as they always have. All we needed was to find a guy unafraid to take up the shovel himself and start filling in on top of the damned fools.

And so we did.

The Democrat Socialists badly need Trump to be every bit as stupid as they’ve assumed he was all along to bail them out via an immigration botch. He has shown absolutely no evidence to date of that being the case—NONE. Quite the opposite, actually. They now find themselves in the worst position imaginable: the only one who can save them from Trump is…Trump.

Yep, we’re gonna need those Midwestern farmers to grow us a HELL of a lot more corn for popping before all is said and done, I figure

[Crafty_Dog]

IMHO much of the excrement hole brouhaha is driven by the Dems looking to sabotage where Trump had them after that first meeting-- in the spotlight for their failure to honestly engage with the merits regarding chain migration, merit migration, visa lottery, etc.

Keep in mind that Durbin is a lying sack of shit.

[Crafty_Dog]

1)   https://patriotpost.us/articles/53445

2) https://www.dailywire.com/news/25855/watch-rand-paul-reveals-what-trump-did-haiti-ryan-saavedra?utm_medium=email&utm_content=011518-news&utm_campaign=position2

[ccp]

"Jeff Bezos has converted the once-respected Washington Post into a cheap fake news tabloid."

oh come on .  WP was always a left wing propaganda outlet for the Democratic Party

Though it is very disturbing that the richest man in the world is also its benefactor and a left wing radical which is a total contradiction for him.

[DougMacG]

"Jeff Bezos has converted the once-respected Washington Post into a cheap fake news tabloid."

oh come on .  WP was always a left wing propaganda outlet for the Democratic Party

Though it is very disturbing that the richest man in the world is also its benefactor and a left wing radical which is a total contradiction for him.

If they are wrong on this remark or context then that makes at least a couple of major fake news bloopers in Trump's first year. It didn't take much to move from a mostly left-wing rag to a fake news outlet.

[G M]

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/01/15/will-trump-go-sloppy-and-soft-on-illegal-immigration-n2434509

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=a7tfGgZgRcA

[Crafty_Dog]

second post

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/you-think-democrats-want-to-fix-immigration-dream-on/article/2646144

[DougMacG]

One of my pet peeves about politics is the way the Left is stealing our language, a word and a phrase at a time, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, smart growth, choice, for examples.  In this case, these people aren't "Dreamers", they are the most politically active of all the illegal aliens, opposing the sanctity of our laws. We don't owe them something.  IF we extend a preference to them it would be out of the goodness of our hearts AND because it is in the best interest of the country.

Are they are no different than us except for lacking formal legal status?  

We have already offered them free education (free everything?) and yet they are more than three times as likely to become high school dropouts:  http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/the-numbers-behind-the-dreamers/

For some reason it is wrong to point out the heinous crimes committed by individual members of this group but perfected fine to talk about individual members who have done great things.  

A better idea than the current daca dreamer drama might be to judge people one by one on their merits instead of in a such a wide ranging group.

[G M]

One of my pet peeves about politics is the way the Left is stealing our language, a word and a phrase at a time, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, smart growth, choice, for examples.  In this case, these people aren't "Dreamers", they are the most politically active of all the illegal aliens, opposing the sanctity of our laws. We don't owe them something.  IF we extend a preference to them it would be out of the goodness of our hearts AND because it is in the best interest of the country.

Are they are no different than us except for lacking formal legal status?  

We have already offered them free education (free everything?) and yet they are more than three times as likely to become high school dropouts:  http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/the-numbers-behind-the-dreamers/

For some reason it is wrong to point out the heinous crimes committed by individual members of this group but perfected fine to talk about individual members who have done great things.  

A better idea than the current daca dreamer drama might be to judge people one by one on their merits instead of in a such a wide ranging group.

Like all illegal aliens, so-called dreamers are free to return to their countries and apply to lawfully enter the US.

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/truth-behind-trump-storm-15676.html

[DougMacG]

https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/19/yale-study-shows-23-million-illegal-immigrants/

A working paper by Dr. Mohammad Fazel Zarandi from the Yale School of Management, coauthored by two other Yale professors, estimates that there are 22.8 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

This is over double estimates compiled by the Department of Homeland Security, which claims 11.1 million illegal aliens live in the US.

[Crafty_Dog]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/01/18/there-3-5-m-dreamers-and-most-may-face-nightmare/1042134001/

[G M]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/01/18/there-3-5-m-dreamers-and-most-may-face-nightmare/1042134001/

Round them up and deport them!

Stop rewarding criminal conduct and you will get less of it.

[ccp]

and sanctuary cities :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/20/german-city-bans-new-refugees-anti-migrant-mood-increases/

[DougMacG]

Assuming the shutdown is over for a moment, we are back to DACA and immigration.

Some points to consider while structuring the deal: 

How many people are we talking about?  800,000 'dreamers'?  3 million?  All illegal immigrants?  11 million?  23 million??  Democrats want all illegals to be voting citizens for political purposes. Democrats are ready to welcome Puerto Rico as a state too.  Felons too, any group that votes with them.  Point that out and you oppose ethnicities for political purposes - and are racist.  [What about rule of law, assimilation, e puribus unum?]   We might not need to hold elections anymore if they can sign up enough new voters. 

A minute after they pass amnesty without citizenship they will scream discrimination and demand citizenship and voting rights for these legal residents.

Republicans are divided on the illegal immigration issue.  Enough would vote amnesty for DACA alone to pass with the Dems if Schumer could get that vote.

Real border security has to be part of this. Not a wall everywhere, not just fence, real money appropriated to real contractors to actually build out an acceptable plan to secure the border as promised. This can't be the Reagan deal again where amnesty happens and security doesn't, making the problem permanent and accelerating.

Enforcement of overstayed visas is part of border security.  They come here in airplanes too.  See 9/11.

We need a settlement on sanctuary states and cities.  Why give legal status to people who already have it?

Anchor babies.  The problem is caused by a misinterpreted constitutional amendment. How is it solved?   Maybe it requires a constitutional amendment to fix it.  The policy of giving a baby a different nationality than the parents is splitting up families.  Are Senators for that or against it?

Chain migration.  Dick Durbin supported an end to this in 2010 - before he called it racist.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/12/watch-dick-durbin-advocated-for-ending-chain-migration-in-2010-a-term-he-now-says-is-racist/

Wouldn't it be great if our side framed the issue instead of always having to always say no to their bad deals.

[G M]

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

Just never funded.

[DougMacG]

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

Just never funded.

Yes - the inside baseball point made on Sunday shows yesterday of "authorized" but not "appropriated".

We don't need it authorized.  We need the construction costs appropriated as a line item on the current year budget.

If we are trading DACA for wall, we should be timing completion of DACA status change with completion of the secure border.

[Earlier in the month I had the opportunity to cross the northern border in both directions.  They weren't taking anyone 'undocumented'.]

[Crafty_Dog]

"Yes - the inside baseball point made on Sunday shows yesterday of "authorized" but not "appropriated""

Exactly so!
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https://amgreatness.com/2018/01/22/the-shutdown-victory/

[G M]

The only DACA agreement should be that if they voluntary return to their countries, they get preference for immigration status when immigrants from that country are accepted.