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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 25, 2015, 08:14:10 AM »
ccp,

I saw that but did not post it. I did not want to ruin DMG's Christmas.  :-D

Much of the difference in the polls are the assumptions being made about turnout. If 2008 or 2012 election turnouts are the basis for the assumptions, then there is a huge problem. With 2008, we saw massive turnout for O'Bummer that had not been seen before. And with 2012, we saw a lack of GOP turnout due to Romney.

Can Trump turn out the numbers? All appearances so far seem to indicate yes. (Contrary to the NYT article last week, he does have a large GOTV effort in all the states. It is just "unconventional" from previous efforts.) Will the new turnout be greater than the GOP non-Trump stay at homes?  That will be the question.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 24, 2015, 04:07:48 PM »
ccp,

Objection!  Speculation!

Judge:  Sustained

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 24, 2015, 03:22:27 PM »
DDF,

Could you explain more on Putin?  I would love to hear what you have to say and have experienced. This is the type of input the media will not give us.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues
« on: December 24, 2015, 02:38:55 PM »
DDF

I caught it with you.....and added to your sarcasm.

My wife who is 1st gen from San Salvador says send them back.
My son whose ex was Canadian had to go through the process with her. He says send them back.
My neighbor who did it legally says send them back.
The son-in-law who is 1st gen says send them back.
Other relatives with legal spouses say send them back.
The only one who does not say to send them back is a La Raza supporter, and her sister who is an immigration attorney. (She sees the money.)

Everyone in my family and circle of friends did it legally and want the illegals to go back and do it legally.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues
« on: December 24, 2015, 11:43:09 AM »
And then open the borders for everyone else to come.  And after that, return the Texas, the Southwest and California to Mexico.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 24, 2015, 11:39:43 AM »
 :-D

Damn, you caught it!

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 :-D :-D :-D

Zerohedge just caught the Commerce Department and their "fun with numbers" on Housing Sales. Home Sales are not as good as claimed.  (Commerce learned for the NAR how to play the game.)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-23/housing-recovery-was-just-cancelled-again-due-5-months-downward-revisions

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Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate
« on: December 24, 2015, 09:55:35 AM »
10 Year bill is at 2.24, which was about equal to what it was prior to the rate hike. So there is little change in the 30 year market. More increase will be needed there.

For the ARMs and Lines of Equity, that is where the first impacts will be felt. Most Lines of Equity were tied to the Prime Index. Prime has been raised by .25% to reflect the rate hike. So over the next couple of months, LOE's will see the first increase.

Most ARM's are tied to the 6 Month LIBOR, 12 Month LIBOR, CMT and MTA Indexes. These indexes take the monthly Index average for the last 6 or 12 months to calculate what the Index  is at any one time. So it will take a full year for the complete effect of the rate hike to apply and increase the ARM rates.


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 24, 2015, 09:47:20 AM »
DMG, To your comments above:

1.   Abortion will NEVER be reversed and that is the reality of the situation. It is used to divide the country and to get political donations for the advocates on each side. It may be an issue to a segment of the right, but most conservatives I know support abortion. It is the moderate conservatism position.

2.   Defunding Planned Parenthood falls in the same category as abortion.

3.   Megyn Kelly did not deserve it? You forget that in the debate she, Baier and Wallace deliberately set up Trump for a fail. First with the pledge and then the war on women. Baier even admitted afterword that they had alerted security and had a plan in place to have Trump forcibly removed. Is that not a set up and deserving of Trump’s reaction?

You also seem to forget that in the minutes earlier in the interview, Trump said the exact same thing about Baier. So was Trump suggesting he was a girl? Or did Trump plan to use it first on Baier so as to be able to use that as an excuse for the comment on Kelly?

You also ignore that Kelly was going after Trump every night on her program. Her attacks and her guests against Trump was at the level of MSNBC going after all Reps. And it continues to today.

But I guess that the above means nothing……

4.   Schlonging should not be coming out of the White House, etc.  And the less than 50% support. And Trump is not a serious candidate.

At least someone has the balls to attack the Dems, instead of laying down with them. And the support? Each poll brings him closer to 50% levels, even with 13 candidates in the race. If nominated, then most of those not supporting him should vote for him in the general election. If not, then blame them for a Hillary presidency.

Not a serious candidate? Even the pundits have given up on that argument.

5.   Cruz and Rubio? I almost wish that either would win and then watch what happens. They will flip and flop all over the place like they do now. Under them, TPP moves forward, Amnesty is granted. HIBI visas increase. Rubio gets us into a Syrian way and maybe one with Russia.

You complain about Trump changing his views from years ago, but ignore the Cruz/Rubio flip flops and also their connections to Big Money and the Super Pacs.

6.   How will Obamacare be changed? Certainly not repealed. It will have to be a compromise between the parties and Cruz has so totally pissed off his side, he could not get anything through. Rubio? Depends upon who is in his pockets at the time.

7.   Immigration reform. If you want Amnesty, both Cruz and Rubio will deliver it, no matter what they claim now.

8.   Military spending must be done with an eye to the force structure, not by politicians who push their local industry products. We have to ask serious questions about what is needed to meet the threats. First among the questions is “what is the threat”? What is needed to meet the threat?  We have to quit procuring weapon systems based upon the last war fought.

Right now, we have far too much “support” personnel and not enough shooters. We need to focus on increasing the shooters and design the weapon systems to support them. We don’t design weapon systems that take forever to bring into service and cost hundreds of millions per unit like the F-35 which appears to have serious deficiencies in what it can do?

9.   How to get rid of the illegals? You want full details. And the second he releases all details, everyone attacks him and starts to figure out ways to ensure any plans do not get implemented.

This is classic “Art of the Deal” Trump. You tell them what you can do, and then when they are ready, the negotiation occurs on what will happen. For example, with the proposal I just finished, I let the client know what I could do, what I brought to the table. Did I provide details of how I would do it? No way. Did I give them for a price what I could do the work with a small profit? No way. I provide them a price that is commiserate with the value of what I do. Trump is doing the same thing.

10.   You and I have different views on the Eminent Domain issue and the public interest which we will never agree on. As to what type of Judges to appoint, well that worked out well with Souter, Kennedy and Roberts, didn’t it?

11.   As to Trump bringing in new people into the party who will destroy it, the people that Trump is appealing to are the same people that the GOP has “claimed” that they wanted to bring into the Party. These people are more moderate and not purity ideologues. They come with their own desires, opinions and needs. Yet the GOP wants them to convert to the GOP fully and without retaining their own views. And if they do not convert, then the GOP does not want them. No wonder the GOP keeps losing.

The GOP left its base long ago. With people like Ryan, McConnell, Boehner, McCain, Romney and the other fools running things, they will not appeal to the base. That is why the GOP cannot win nationally any longer.  And until they change, they will continue to lose, and that is if they can even remain a viable party.

Parties must change to reflect the wishes and the views of the electorate, especially their base. If they don’t change, they will become more and more ineffective in the future as the base leaves them which is now occurring.  That is what is happening with the GOP and the Dems now.


BTW, when Trump made the Schlong comment, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was baiting Hillary and setting a trap which she has fallen into. She played the woman card as she loves to do when her position on something is weak or worse. Now, Trump can nail her on the woman card, doing something that no other candidate would ever do. That is bringing up the contradictions in her “support for woman”, and especially with issues like rape. Trump can beat her over the head on how Hillary would support Bill with the Bimbo eruptions. And it will be fun to watch.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 24, 2015, 08:35:35 AM »
Long night crunching numbers. More to follow. But in the schlong view of thought..........guess that the expression has been used before in politics.  And, it was the paragon of virtue Truman holding up the paper.  Much ado about nothing.  But

Trump is finished!!!!  (for the 872nd time)


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 23, 2015, 01:37:28 PM »
DMG,

I will reply to your posts later. Time to do some work.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 23, 2015, 01:35:57 PM »
Thanks. And the accent is gone. But about Oklahoma, don't let me get started on the outhouse and having to go out there at night with a flashlight. Talk about frightening when you are 5 years old.

What I did not say is that though I had a roof over my head when I was 16 to 17, I frequently did not have food to eat and I had few clothes. Most noticed that I would wear clothes until they were about ready to shred. I was lucky that one family took interest in me during that time. They would frequently prepare more than enough food and bring some to me, or else I would have really starved. Can't tell you how many nights a week I had bologna sandwiches. Only when I got a job washing dishes in a greasy spoon did I finally have food that I could count on daily. (They let me eat breakfast and lunch.)

Where I live now is a solid middle class neighborhood. It's a mixture of white and hispanic, working and retired, with a few Section 8's included. I can say with absolute certainty that over half worry about their future and their jobs. Many worry about having a job the next week and are making a decision of which bills to pay weekly so that they can have food on the table. Moreover, they worry what type of country that their kids and grandkids are set to inherit. They fear, an rightly so, that it will be a future where their kids will not be as well off as they are. I have the same worries for my grandkids.

This is why I am so sympathetic to the middle class and why I understand them so well. I have been there and lived the lives that so many have at one time or another.  And I can be just like them again with another stroke of a government pen.

Trump has hit upon the concerns of this demographic that others cannot see, probably due to a lack of shared experience. That is why they are going to him in droves.  If you look at Trump rallies, it is not just the numbers of people, but it is the make up of the crown. Though mostly white, there are significant numbers of blacks and hispanics. And based upon their clothing and appearance, it is not just middle class but also a significant portion would appear to be upper middle class. Ages are across the board.

Trump has resonated with the people like no one since Reagan or "spit" O'Bama. And as people pay attention, that is why his support is growing.

For the record, I never watched the Apprentice or his other shows. I never paid attention to him, read the book or anything. But it was watching one of his rallies on tv that I realized he was speaking to me.

DDF,

You and I have lived different lives and circumstances, but we do have a shared experience in many ways. Good luck with building your own company. Hard work and long hours, but well worth it. Maybe we can both leave a legacy on the world with our efforts.


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 23, 2015, 12:26:02 PM »
Bill Kristol represents the old GOPe as well as many others. Then there was the DC dinner with Prebius in attendance where the talk was about manipulating the convention to get their candidate in....denied by Prebius of course.

Then you have Super Pacs pushing for a 3rd Party candidate if Trump wins. Also you have the Romney threat of a 3rd Party. And there have been GOP officials make remarks about it was better to support Hillary rather than Trump, also against the pledge to support the GOP nominee. Where there is smoke,  there is fire.

Straw men?   :-D   No I am along with millions others pushing over an old and useless party that exists only to keep itself in power and money.  Just like the old Communist Party in the 1980's. 

It's time for them to go.....

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 23, 2015, 12:18:53 PM »
How do you define the American Creed?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 23, 2015, 12:18:23 PM »
DDF,

My story........

Born in Oklahoma. Moved to San Bernardino in 1963. Mother died when I was 14, and Dad worked and had no time for me so I fended at home for myself. By 16, never saw my data because he had taken up and moved in with a woman and her 3 children. So I was completely on my own at that point.

After high school, went to work for a bank as a teller, but it was a job where there was little future. Had no motivation or time for college, so at 23, joined the Air Force. While in, I recognized that I could go to college and did so, graduating from Troy State and then going to LSU Shreveport. After graduation, held positions in a number of different administrative positions in hospitals and start up companies, but never a real future. Made several people wealthy in the start ups, but I never got anywhere. Finally went on my own, and since then have gotten to a good point professionally and monetarily, but three times, the government (both state and federal) has instituted new regulations and statutes that caused me to have to "re-invent" what I do. Each time, it damned near bankrupted me. Now I am at it again from a different direction that may finally give me what I want.

I have never lost my "working class" roots. I certainly identify with the working class more than with anyone else. I find the working class honest, trustworthy, and with more common sense than those who are over educated. I would much rather have a beer with them than with wine guzzling elitists.

I am becoming more and more a "pragmatic" conservative, call me moderate, recognizing that societal and cultural changes make purity conservatism a dinosaur that can never but achieved. For me, it is supporting a candidate that focuses upon the 2 or 3 most important issues that I care about, Security, Illegal Immigration, and Economic/Tax issues. Everything else is immaterial because the division of the country will not allow other change to occur.

You are right that the end is not the end, but is a new beginning. That is what the country is facing and what the politicians have wrought makes it likely that the end/beginning will begin soon. And it cannot be postponed. When it begins, we will need a pragmatic leader who can face the challenges and do what is needed, and not stick to old dogmatic beliefs.


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential - New Party
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:02:19 AM »
Let's see. Trump had to provide a no 3rd Party pledge.  What happened?

1.  Bush and others making talk about a 3rd Party run.

2. Bill Kristol now on a 3rd Party run.

What is good for the GOP is not good for others.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/12/21/bill-kristol-well-start-new-party-trump-wins-nomination/

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 23, 2015, 10:58:26 AM »
So Jeff Greenfield who does not like Trump is not credible. 

Would it have made any difference if Trump had said that Hillary got "screwed" in the election? Probably for the Trump haters..............but for the working class, no.

Actually, Trump's comment was GREAT. He uses a throw away line and the entire media is once again talking about it. More free publicity. Bet the rest of the candidates wish they were getting the publicity. (BTW, publicity is good even if it sounds bad. In this case, it just cements Trump supporters to him. Others will find the whole thing just another media hit job, and only the Trump deniers will jump on it.)

How many people do you actually think knew what schlong meant? Even more, how many really care? And if the media had not jumped on it, few would even know that the statement was ever made.

This is just another diversionary tactic to distract from what Trump is saying because the media and the elitists do not want their apple cart disrupted. Same as with Megyn Kelly and the bleeding comment.  If you remember, Trump had previously made the same comment about a Fox male anchor.  (So maybe the anchor was transgendered.) No one made a fuss at that time. Just when it was the Ice Princess Prima Donna Kelly.

Yes, let's bring back dignity with some weak kneed RINO candidate. That way, no one will pay attention to what is being passed that screws the middle class over again and again.

Let's also keep campaigning on subjects that will never be changed:

1. Abortion. It is here to stay, but it makes a good distraction from what is otherwise going on, and it keeps generating money for those on each side of the issue.

2. Defunding Planned Parenthood. Another distraction which will never be changed, but keeps bringing in money.

3. Balanced budget. Something else that will never be changed, except with tax increases. (Yeah, I know...Trump.)

4. Repeal of ObamaCare. It can never be fully repealed, only modified. After all, there are all these new people with insurance who are subsidized and if repealed, what happens there? Does one simply forget about that now?

5.  Social Security reform. Neither side has the guts to do what is needed, so it will remain the same. But it does remain as another election distraction.

6. Immigration reform. Nothing substantial going to happen there. COC wants the cheap labor.

7. Military spending........more distraction. And more crony capitalism. Think the F-35 brought in to also serve as a replacement for the A-10. No military leader is going to take an F-35 and put it into a Close Air Support role. Too much danger of losing them to ground fire and other weapon systems. That is, even if it can dogfight.

I could go on and on but all of this stuff is designed to keep the American public divided and separated. That way, the DC elites and Wall Street can continue to reap the benefits at the expense of the people.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 23, 2015, 10:28:42 AM »
The end of America?  Oh yeah, here we go again with that argument. 

Why would it be the end? Oh right, because the GOPe would be afraid to challenge her, like they are afraid to challenge O'bummer. Instead, the GOP comes up with tripe like "this is not the hill to die on", or "we must pick battles that we can win".  This was how Vietnam was fought and look what happened. If the same strategies had been applied in WW2, Europe would be speaking German, the Far East Japanese, and Russia would control still most of East Asia.

If the GOP had any scholonges, we would not be where we are now, and America could survive a Hillary presidency. But they have been emasculated on the alter of Political Correctness and fear of losing their power and influence that they have now.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 23, 2015, 10:20:01 AM »
DMG,

Hell yes we are angry and have had it with the party because the party only represents themselves and the elites. The GOPe has left the middle class behind to fend for themselves.

Why does anyone think that voting for the same old professional politicians would make any difference this time? Oh, Cruz and Rubio are different. Yeah right.

- First time Senators who decide to run for the Presidency after their first couple of years in office, just like O'Bummer did.

- Each are flip flopping on issues as needed to try and hide previous votes that the base would not support.

- Both are weak on immigration reform, and with Cruz, who the hell knows where he really stands.

- Both went for TPA which gave the Fast Track authority and also changed voting requirements that later allowed TPP to pass. (This also allowed for Cruz to claim that he was not for it later............after the damage was done and there could be no accountability.

- Each beholden to Super Pacs consisting of the elitists buying the candidates.

- Cruz whose wife is a permanent fixture with Goldman Sachs,, Wall Street and the Council on Foreign Relations.

And we are supposed to believe that this time it is different?

Just watch what happens if Trump is taken out of the race and Cruz becomes the front runner. He is going to be taken out by both the GOPe and the Dems, leading to Rubio who is Jeb lite.  He will melt and submit to his masters just like all the others.

This is a war for the soul of the party. Either way, whatever happens, the GOPe is finished as it currently is, and that will be a well deserved end.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/01/the-great-republican-revolt/419118/

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 08:52:40 PM »
Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Jeff Greenfield ‏@greenfield64 2h2 hours ago

On further review, Trump is right on this. “I got schlonged” is a commonplace NY way of saying: “I lost big time,” w/out genital reference.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 08:10:17 PM »
So what is Trump supposed to say? (Hell, most people did not even know what schlonged meant until the press made a big deal of it.) 

So what if what he said is not supposed to be Presidential? Well, Presidential image ended with Clinton and his whoring ways. And it worsened with O'bummer, though one wonders how it could have gotten any worse? And now with Her Highness, it will get even worse. It's time to end this pc crap.

Guess what? His supporters love it when he talks like that. Why? Because he speaks like then and doesn't give a damn about what the elite thinks,

But since according to the elite on both sides we are nothing more than Vulgarians, racists, nazi's, uneducated rednecks, hicks, homophobes, exnophobes, slobs and whatever else you can think of, maybe we should just do like in corporations and sign proxies giving others the right to vote on our behalf since we are not smart enough to understand what the world is about.

Oh wait, we have been doing that for the last two decades and look what it has got us? Dole, McCain, Romney, Boehner, McConnell, Ryan and all the others.  Guess the elites are just as stupid as us.





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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 04:28:32 PM »
BTW, for the GOP group, only 4% valued gun ownership higher than climate change in the Q poll.  That by itself says there is a huge problem with the sample.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 04:26:23 PM »
Here is the Q Internals regarding the sample.  Comments below in red:


 REGISTERED VOTERS....................................
                                                                                                                               COLLEGE DEG
                                      Tot         Rep       Dem        Ind            Men           Wom          Yes         No
Weighted Percentage        100%     30%      33%        28%          47%            53%        32%      68%
Unweighted                     1,140      374       360         334            610              530          587       553
MoE (+/-%)                      2.90     5.07       5.17        5.36           3.97             4.26        4.04       4.17

The sample of Registered Voters looks to be pretty good. Weighting appears to be fairly correct.
 
AGE IN YRS..............
                                       18-34      35-49      50-64      65+
Weighted Percentage           20%       26%        28%    21%
Unweighted                         117         191         364      423
MoE (+/-%)                       9.06        7.09         5.14     4.76

Here lies a major problem. Based upon other polls and past elections, the 50-64 and 65+ brackets are woefully low. Normally, these are several points higher and the younger brackets lower. This would reduce Trump numbers because he performs better among the older groups.
 

REPUBLICANS/REPUBLICAN LEANERS.....................................
 Wht POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY
 
                                                  Tea        BrnAgn     CONSERVATIVE Mod/                                  COLLEGE DEG
                                    Tot         Party       Evang        Very        Smwht      Lib       Men     Wom      Yes       No

Weighted Percentage     100%       17%         31%         34%         35%       29%     54%     46%      31%    69%
Unweighted                   508            88           156          173           179        146      306      202       252      256
MoE (+/-%)                  4.35        10.45         7.85          7.45         7.32        8.11     5.60      6.90     6.17     6.13

What a mess this one is. 

Tea Party at 17%, too high. These would go to Cruz.

Born Again Evangelicals, way to high. This would reflect again in a push for Cruz.

Conservative/Moderate, probably about correct.

Men and women..probably about correct. Most forecasts are suggesting that Trump is going to bring out more men, so this would be consistent. 

College level, probably correct.

Bottom line, some of the demographics are out of normal range and would provide Cruz more support than with normal levels. Looks like this was a partial push poll.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 03:04:04 PM »
Just so DMG does not get too excited about the Q poll, here is Reuters 5 day rolling average.   :evil:

December 22, 2015

672 RESPONDENTS

Donald Trump     36.7%

Ben Carson         11.3%

Ted Cruz            11.0%

Marco Rubio         8.3%

Jeb Bush               6.7%

Wouldn’t vote        6.3%

Chris Christie         4.3%

Mike Huckabee      4.2%

Carly Fiorina          3.6%

Rick Santorum       3.1%

Rand Paul             2.7%

John Kasich          1.4%

George Pataki        0.2%


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The truly sad part is that the story is actually believable under Obummer's reign.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:29:19 AM »
Gotta keep you honest.

Seriously.......you only know one person supporting Trump?

I wonder how many people you know that actually do support Trump, but are afraid to say so. I have noticed that people are afraid to mention their support for him, until another supporter comes forward. Then you hear the sigh of relief that they are not alone.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 08:38:54 AM »
Yeah, Sanders better than Clinton............

There is no consistency in the Q poll when you look at the questions asked. It makes no sense, especially when other polls are consistently different. What is Q doing that others do not do?

How can Q poll 508 Reps and 462 Dems and get the head to head results that they do? 


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 22, 2015, 08:26:00 AM »
But it is a measure of support and motivation.

Of course, we could look at Jeb and his "rallies". They can be held in a hotel restroom.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 22, 2015, 07:39:00 AM »
DMG,

 :-D I knew that when I looked, you would have posted this. Unfortunately, Q once again fails to give a full breakdown of the demographics.  But ignoring that:

1. Q is consistently about 10 points less with their Trump support than almost all other polls. Apparently, it is something in their polling method.

2. All other polls show Trump generally at double the Cruz support. This poll says 4? 

3. Q polled far more Reps than Dems.  And there is just that little bit of difference between Hillary and all other candidates.  Huh?  This makes no sense.

4. Every other poll shows Trump leading at 50 on the economy. Yet here he has 19.  In other categories, the same occurs as well.

5. Rubio is 3 points higher than Trump on jobs, but is at 12% support.

6. Q has been the poll that started the Carson surge.

7. Trump is leading by 15 to 20 points in every state poll other than Iowa, but only 4 nationally.  Didn't know that Iowa was so heavily populated that it could swing the country.

8. Every other post debate poll had Trump winning by double digits, but Cruz won it 40 - 20 in this poll.

The numbers do not add up in any way, shape or form. Wonder if CFG paid for this poll.

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Politics & Religion / Seymour Hersch on Intel sharing in the Syrian War
« on: December 22, 2015, 07:19:56 AM »
This is a very telling article from Seymour Hersh. If accurate, it tends to suggest that Obummer is really on the side of the Caliphate.

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Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war


Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped.

The military’s resistance dates back to the summer of 2013, when a highly classified assessment, put together by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then led by General Martin Dempsey, forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria’s takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya. A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups. By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria. The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy. The document showed, the adviser said, ‘that what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State. The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition. Turkey wasn’t doing enough to stop the smuggling of foreign fighters and weapons across the border. ‘If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,’ Flynn told me. ‘We understood Isis’s long-term strategy and its campaign plans, and we also discussed the fact that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.’ The DIA’s reporting, he said, ‘got enormous pushback’ from the Obama administration. ‘I felt that they did not want to hear the truth.’

‘Our policy of arming the opposition to Assad was unsuccessful and actually having a negative impact,’ the former JCS adviser said. ‘The Joint Chiefs believed that Assad should not be replaced by fundamentalists. The administration’s policy was contradictory. They wanted Assad to go but the opposition was dominated by extremists. So who was going to replace him? To say Assad’s got to go is fine, but if you follow that through – therefore anyone is better. It’s the “anybody else is better” issue that the JCS had with Obama’s policy.’ The Joint Chiefs felt that a direct challenge to Obama’s policy would have ‘had a zero chance of success’. So in the autumn of 2013 they decided to take steps against the extremists without going through political channels, by providing US intelligence to the militaries of other nations, on the understanding that it would be passed on to the Syrian army and used against the common enemy, Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State.

Germany, Israel and Russia were in contact with the Syrian army, and able to exercise some influence over Assad’s decisions – it was through them that US intelligence would be shared. Each had its reasons for co-operating with Assad: Germany feared what might happen among its own population of six million Muslims if Islamic State expanded; Israel was concerned with border security; Russia had an alliance of very long standing with Syria, and was worried by the threat to its only naval base on the Mediterranean, at Tartus. ‘We weren’t intent on deviating from Obama’s stated policies,’ the adviser said. ‘But sharing our assessments via the military-to-military relationships with other countries could prove productive. It was clear that Assad needed better tactical intelligence and operational advice. The JCS concluded that if those needs were met, the overall fight against Islamist terrorism would be enhanced. Obama didn’t know, but Obama doesn’t know what the JCS does in every circumstance and that’s true of all presidents.’

Once the flow of US intelligence began, Germany, Israel and Russia started passing on information about the whereabouts and intent of radical jihadist groups to the Syrian army; in return, Syria provided information about its own capabilities and intentions. There was no direct contact between the US and the Syrian military; instead, the adviser said, ‘we provided the information – including long-range analyses on Syria’s future put together by contractors or one of our war colleges – and these countries could do with it what they chose, including sharing it with Assad. We were saying to the Germans and the others: “Here’s some information that’s pretty interesting and our interest is mutual.” End of conversation. The JCS could conclude that something beneficial would arise from it – but it was a military to military thing, and not some sort of a sinister Joint Chiefs’ plot to go around Obama and support Assad. It was a lot cleverer than that. If Assad remains in power, it will not be because we did it. It’s because he was smart enough to use the intelligence and sound tactical advice we provided to others.’

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The public history of relations between the US and Syria over the past few decades has been one of enmity. Assad condemned the 9/11 attacks, but opposed the Iraq War. George W. Bush repeatedly linked Syria to the three members of his ‘axis of evil’ – Iraq, Iran and North Korea – throughout his presidency. State Department cables made public by WikiLeaks show that the Bush administration tried to destabilise Syria and that these efforts continued into the Obama years. In December 2006, William Roebuck, then in charge of the US embassy in Damascus, filed an analysis of the ‘vulnerabilities’ of the Assad government and listed methods ‘that will improve the likelihood’ of opportunities for destabilisation. He recommended that Washington work with Saudi Arabia and Egypt to increase sectarian tension and focus on publicising ‘Syrian efforts against extremist groups’ – dissident Kurds and radical Sunni factions – ‘in a way that suggests weakness, signs of instability, and uncontrolled blowback’; and that the ‘isolation of Syria’ should be encouraged through US support of the National Salvation Front, led by Abdul Halim Khaddam, a former Syrian vice president whose government-in-exile in Riyadh was sponsored by the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood. Another 2006 cable showed that the embassy had spent $5 million financing dissidents who ran as independent candidates for the People’s Assembly; the payments were kept up even after it became clear that Syrian intelligence knew what was going on. A 2010 cable warned that funding for a London-based television network run by a Syrian opposition group would be viewed by the Syrian government ‘as a covert and hostile gesture toward the regime’.

But there is also a parallel history of shadowy co-operation between Syria and the US during the same period. The two countries collaborated against al-Qaida, their common enemy. A longtime consultant to America’s intelligence community said that, after 9/11, ‘Bashar was, for years, extremely helpful to us while, in my view, we were churlish in return, and clumsy in our use of the gold he gave us. That quiet co-operation continued among some elements, even after the [Bush administration’s] decision to vilify him.’ In 2002 Assad authorised Syrian intelligence to turn over hundreds of internal files on the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and Germany. Later that year, Syrian intelligence foiled an attack by al-Qaida on the headquarters of the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, and Assad agreed to provide the CIA with the name of a vital al-Qaida informant. In violation of this agreement, the CIA contacted the informant directly; he rejected the approach, and broke off relations with his Syrian handlers. Assad also secretly turned over to the US relatives of Saddam Hussein who had sought refuge in Syria, and – like America’s allies in Jordan, Egypt, Thailand and elsewhere – tortured suspected terrorists for the CIA in a Damascus prison.

It was this history of co-operation that made it seem possible in 2013 that Damascus would agree to the new indirect intelligence-sharing arrangement with the US. The Joint Chiefs let it be known that in return the US would require four things: Assad must restrain Hizbullah from attacking Israel; he must renew the stalled negotiations with Israel to reach a settlement on the Golan Heights; he must agree to accept Russian and other outside military advisers; and he must commit to holding open elections after the war with a wide range of factions included. ‘We had positive feedback from the Israelis, who were willing to entertain the idea, but they needed to know what the reaction would be from Iran and Syria,’ the JCS adviser told me. ‘The Syrians told us that Assad would not make a decision unilaterally – he needed to have support from his military and Alawite allies. Assad’s worry was that Israel would say yes and then not uphold its end of the bargain.’ A senior adviser to the Kremlin on Middle East affairs told me that in late 2012, after suffering a series of battlefield setbacks and military defections, Assad had approached Israel via a contact in Moscow and offered to reopen the talks on the Golan Heights. The Israelis had rejected the offer. ‘They said, “Assad is finished,”’ the Russian official told me. ‘“He’s close to the end.”’ He said the Turks had told Moscow the same thing. By mid-2013, however, the Syrians believed the worst was behind them, and wanted assurances that the Americans and others were serious about their offers of help.

In the early stages of the talks, the adviser said, the Joint Chiefs tried to establish what Assad needed as a sign of their good intentions. The answer was sent through one of Assad’s friends: ‘Bring him the head of Prince Bandar.’ The Joint Chiefs did not oblige. Bandar bin Sultan had served Saudi Arabia for decades in intelligence and national security affairs, and spent more than twenty years as ambassador in Washington. In recent years, he has been known as an advocate for Assad’s removal from office by any means. Reportedly in poor health, he resigned last year as director of the Saudi National Security Council, but Saudi Arabia continues to be a major provider of funds to the Syrian opposition, estimated by US intelligence last year at $700 million.

In July 2013, the Joint Chiefs found a more direct way of demonstrating to Assad how serious they were about helping him. By then the CIA-sponsored secret flow of arms from Libya to the Syrian opposition, via Turkey, had been underway for more than a year (it started sometime after Gaddafi’s death on 20 October 2011).​* The operation was largely run out of a covert CIA annex in Benghazi, with State Department acquiescence. On 11 September 2012 the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed during an anti-American demonstration that led to the burning down of the US consulate in Benghazi; reporters for the Washington Post found copies of the ambassador’s schedule in the building’s ruins. It showed that on 10 September Stevens had met with the chief of the CIA’s annex operation. The next day, shortly before he died, he met a representative from Al-Marfa Shipping and Maritime Services, a Tripoli-based company which, the JCS adviser said, was known by the Joint Staff to be handling the weapons shipments.

By the late summer of 2013, the DIA’s assessment had been circulated widely, but although many in the American intelligence community were aware that the Syrian opposition was dominated by extremists the CIA-sponsored weapons kept coming, presenting a continuing problem for Assad’s army. Gaddafi’s stockpile had created an international arms bazaar, though prices were high. ‘There was no way to stop the arms shipments that had been authorised by the president,’ the JCS adviser said. ‘The solution involved an appeal to the pocketbook. The CIA was approached by a representative from the Joint Chiefs with a suggestion: there were far less costly weapons available in Turkish arsenals that could reach the Syrian rebels within days, and without a boat ride.’ But it wasn’t only the CIA that benefited. ‘We worked with Turks we trusted who were not loyal to Erdoğan,’ the adviser said, ‘and got them to ship the jihadists in Syria all the obsolete weapons in the arsenal, including M1 carbines that hadn’t been seen since the Korean War and lots of Soviet arms. It was a message Assad could understand: “We have the power to diminish a presidential policy in its tracks.”’

The flow of US intelligence to the Syrian army, and the downgrading of the quality of the arms being supplied to the rebels, came at a critical juncture. The Syrian army had suffered heavy losses in the spring of 2013 in fighting against Jabhat al-Nusra and other extremist groups as it failed to hold the provincial capital of Raqqa. Sporadic Syrian army and air-force raids continued in the area for months, with little success, until it was decided to withdraw from Raqqa and other hard to defend, lightly populated areas in the north and west and focus instead on consolidating the government’s hold on Damascus and the heavily populated areas linking the capital to Latakia in the north-east. But as the army gained in strength with the Joint Chiefs’ support, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey escalated their financing and arming of Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State, which by the end of 2013 had made enormous gains on both sides of the Syria/Iraq border. The remaining non-fundamentalist rebels found themselves fighting – and losing – pitched battles against the extremists. In January 2014, IS took complete control of Raqqa and the tribal areas around it from al-Nusra and established the city as its base. Assad still controlled 80 per cent of the Syrian population, but he had lost a vast amount of territory.

CIA efforts to train the moderate rebel forces were also failing badly. ‘The CIA’s training camp was in Jordan and was controlled by a Syrian tribal group,’ the JCS adviser said. There was a suspicion that some of those who signed up for training were actually Syrian army regulars minus their uniforms. This had happened before, at the height of the Iraqi war, when hundreds of Shia militia members showed up at American training camps for new uniforms, weapons and a few days of training, and then disappeared into the desert. A separate training programme, set up by the Pentagon in Turkey, fared no better. The Pentagon acknowledged in September that only ‘four or five’ of its recruits were still battling Islamic State; a few days later 70 of them defected to Jabhat al-Nusra immediately after crossing the border into Syria.

In January 2014, despairing at the lack of progress, John Brennan, the director of the CIA, summoned American and Sunni Arab intelligence chiefs from throughout the Middle East to a secret meeting in Washington, with the aim of persuading Saudi Arabia to stop supporting extremist fighters in Syria. ‘The Saudis told us they were happy to listen,’ the JCS adviser said, ‘so everyone sat around in Washington to hear Brennan tell them that they had to get on board with the so-called moderates. His message was that if everyone in the region stopped supporting al-Nusra and Isis their ammunition and weapons would dry up, and the moderates would win out.’ Brennan’s message was ignored by the Saudis, the adviser said, who ‘went back home and increased their efforts with the extremists and asked us for more technical support. And we say OK, and so it turns out that we end up reinforcing the extremists.’

But the Saudis were far from the only problem: American intelligence had accumulated intercept and human intelligence demonstrating that the Erdoğan government had been supporting Jabhat al-Nusra for years, and was now doing the same for Islamic State. ‘We can handle the Saudis,’ the adviser said. ‘We can handle the Muslim Brotherhood. You can argue that the whole balance in the Middle East is based on a form of mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, and Turkey can disrupt the balance – which is Erdoğan’s dream. We told him we wanted him to shut down the pipeline of foreign jihadists flowing into Turkey. But he is dreaming big – of restoring the Ottoman Empire – and he did not realise the extent to which he could be successful in this.’

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One of the constants in US affairs since the fall of the Soviet Union has been a military-to-military relationship with Russia. After 1991 the US spent billions of dollars to help Russia secure its nuclear weapons complex, including a highly secret joint operation to remove weapons-grade uranium from unsecured storage depots in Kazakhstan. Joint programmes to monitor the security of weapons-grade materials continued for the next two decades. During the American war on Afghanistan, Russia provided overflight rights for US cargo carriers and tankers, as well as access for the flow of weapons, ammunition, food and water the US war machine needed daily. Russia’s military provided intelligence on Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts and helped the US negotiate rights to use an airbase in Kyrgyzstan. The Joint Chiefs have been in communication with their Russian counterparts throughout the Syrian war, and the ties between the two militaries start at the top. In August, a few weeks before his retirement as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dempsey made a farewell visit to the headquarters of the Irish Defence Forces in Dublin and told his audience there that he had made a point while in office to keep in touch with the chief of the Russian General Staff, General Valery Gerasimov. ‘I’ve actually suggested to him that we not end our careers as we began them,’ Dempsey said – one a tank commander in West Germany, the other in the east.

When it comes to tackling Islamic State, Russia and the US have much to offer each other. Many in the IS leadership and rank and file fought for more than a decade against Russia in the two Chechen wars that began in 1994, and the Putin government is heavily invested in combating Islamist terrorism. ‘Russia knows the Isis leadership,’ the JCS adviser said, ‘and has insights into its operational techniques, and has much intelligence to share.’ In return, he said, ‘we’ve got excellent trainers with years of experience in training foreign fighters – experience that Russia does not have.’ The adviser would not discuss what American intelligence is also believed to have: an ability to obtain targeting data, often by paying huge sums of cash, from sources within rebel militias.

A former White House adviser on Russian affairs told me that before 9/11 Putin ‘used to say to us: “We have the same nightmares about different places.” He was referring to his problems with the caliphate in Chechnya and our early issues with al-Qaida. These days, after the Metrojet bombing over Sinai and the massacres in Paris and elsewhere, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that we actually have the same nightmares about the same places.’

Yet the Obama administration continues to condemn Russia for its support of Assad. A retired senior diplomat who served at the US embassy in Moscow expressed sympathy for Obama’s dilemma as the leader of the Western coalition opposed to Russia’s aggression against Ukraine: ‘Ukraine is a serious issue and Obama has been handling it firmly with sanctions. But our policy vis-à-vis Russia is too often unfocused. But it’s not about us in Syria. It’s about making sure Bashar does not lose. The reality is that Putin does not want to see the chaos in Syria spread to Jordan or Lebanon, as it has to Iraq, and he does not want to see Syria end up in the hands of Isis. The most counterproductive thing Obama has done, and it has hurt our efforts to end the fighting a lot, was to say: “Assad must go as a premise for negotiation.”’ He also echoed a view held by some in the Pentagon when he alluded to a collateral factor behind Russia’s decision to launch airstrikes in support of the Syrian army on 30 September: Putin’s desire to prevent Assad from suffering the same fate as Gaddafi. He had been told that Putin had watched a video of Gaddafi’s savage death three times, a video that shows him being sodomised with a bayonet. The JCS adviser also told me of a US intelligence assessment which concluded that Putin had been appalled by Gaddafi’s fate: ‘Putin blamed himself for letting Gaddafi go, for not playing a strong role behind the scenes’ at the UN when the Western coalition was lobbying to be allowed to undertake the airstrikes that destroyed the regime. ‘Putin believed that unless he got engaged Bashar would suffer the same fate – mutilated – and he’d see the destruction of his allies in Syria.’

In a speech on 22 November, Obama declared that the ‘principal targets’ of the Russian airstrikes ‘have been the moderate opposition’. It’s a line that the administration – along with most of the mainstream American media – has rarely strayed from. The Russians insist that they are targeting all rebel groups that threaten Syria’s stability – including Islamic State. The Kremlin adviser on the Middle East explained in an interview that the first round of Russian airstrikes was aimed at bolstering security around a Russian airbase in Latakia, an Alawite stronghold. The strategic goal, he said, has been to establish a jihadist-free corridor from Damascus to Latakia and the Russian naval base at Tartus and then to shift the focus of bombing gradually to the south and east, with a greater concentration of bombing missions over IS-held territory. Russian strikes on IS targets in and near Raqqa were reported as early as the beginning of October; in November there were further strikes on IS positions near the historic city of Palmyra and in Idlib province, a bitterly contested stronghold on the Turkish border.

Russian incursions into Turkish airspace began soon after Putin authorised the bombings, and the Russian air force deployed electronic jamming systems that interfered with Turkish radar. The message being sent to the Turkish air force, the JCS adviser said, was: ‘We’re going to fly our fighter planes where we want and when we want and jam your radar. Do not fuck with us. Putin was letting the Turks know what they were up against.’ Russia’s aggression led to Turkish complaints and Russian denials, along with more aggressive border patrolling by the Turkish air force. There were no significant incidents until 24 November, when two Turkish F-16 fighters, apparently acting under more aggressive rules of engagement, shot down a Russian Su-24M jet that had crossed into Turkish airspace for no more than 17 seconds. In the days after the fighter was shot down, Obama expressed support for Erdoğan, and after they met in private on 1 December he told a press conference that his administration remained ‘very much committed to Turkey’s security and its sovereignty’. He said that as long as Russia remained allied with Assad, ‘a lot of Russian resources are still going to be targeted at opposition groups … that we support … So I don’t think we should be under any illusions that somehow Russia starts hitting only Isil targets. That’s not happening now. It was never happening. It’s not going to be happening in the next several weeks.’

The Kremlin adviser on the Middle East, like the Joint Chiefs and the DIA, dismisses the ‘moderates’ who have Obama’s support, seeing them as extremist Islamist groups that fight alongside Jabhat al-Nusra and IS (‘There’s no need to play with words and split terrorists into moderate and not moderate,’ Putin said in a speech on 22 October). The American generals see them as exhausted militias that have been forced to make an accommodation with Jabhat al-Nusra or IS in order to survive. At the end of 2014, Jürgen Todenhöfer, a German journalist who was allowed to spend ten days touring IS-held territory in Iraq and Syria, told CNN that the IS leadership ‘are all laughing about the Free Syrian Army. They don’t take them for serious. They say: “The best arms sellers we have are the FSA. If they get a good weapon, they sell it to us.” They didn’t take them for serious. They take for serious Assad. They take for serious, of course, the bombs. But they fear nothing, and FSA doesn’t play a role.’

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Putin’s bombing campaign provoked a series of anti-Russia articles in the American press. On 25 October, the New York Times reported, citing Obama administration officials, that Russian submarines and spy ships were ‘aggressively’ operating near the undersea cables that carry much of the world’s internet traffic – although, as the article went on to acknowledge, there was ‘no evidence yet’ of any Russian attempt actually to interfere with that traffic. Ten days earlier the Times published a summary of Russian intrusions into its former Soviet satellite republics, and described the Russian bombing in Syria as being ‘in some respects a return to the ambitious military moves of the Soviet past’. The report did not note that the Assad administration had invited Russia to intervene, nor did it mention the US bombing raids inside Syria that had been underway since the previous September, without Syria’s approval. An October op-ed in the same paper by Michael McFaul, Obama’s ambassador to Russia between 2012 and 2014, declared that the Russian air campaign was attacking ‘everyone except the Islamic State’. The anti-Russia stories did not abate after the Metrojet disaster, for which Islamic State claimed credit. Few in the US government and media questioned why IS would target a Russian airliner, along with its 224 passengers and crew, if Moscow’s air force was attacking only the Syrian ‘moderates’.

Economic sanctions, meanwhile, are still in effect against Russia for what a large number of Americans consider Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine, as are US Treasury Department sanctions against Syria and against those Americans who do business there. The New York Times, in a report on sanctions in late November, revived an old and groundless assertion, saying that the Treasury’s actions ‘emphasise an argument that the administration has increasingly been making about Mr Assad as it seeks to press Russia to abandon its backing for him: that although he professes to be at war with Islamist terrorists, he has a symbiotic relationship with the Islamic State that has allowed it to thrive while he has clung to power.’

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The four core elements of Obama’s Syria policy remain intact today: an insistence that Assad must go; that no anti-IS coalition with Russia is possible; that Turkey is a steadfast ally in the war against terrorism; and that there really are significant moderate opposition forces for the US to support. The Paris attacks on 13 November that killed 130 people did not change the White House’s public stance, although many European leaders, including François Hollande, advocated greater co-operation with Russia and agreed to co-ordinate more closely with its air force; there was also talk of the need to be more flexible about the timing of Assad’s exit from power. On 24 November, Hollande flew to Washington to discuss how France and the US could collaborate more closely in the fight against Islamic State. At a joint press conference at the White House, Obama said he and Hollande had agreed that ‘Russia’s strikes against the moderate opposition only bolster the Assad regime, whose brutality has helped to fuel the rise’ of IS. Hollande didn’t go that far but he said that the diplomatic process in Vienna would ‘lead to Bashar al-Assad’s departure … a government of unity is required.’ The press conference failed to deal with the far more urgent impasse between the two men on the matter of Erdoğan. Obama defended Turkey’s right to defend its borders; Hollande said it was ‘a matter of urgency’ for Turkey to take action against terrorists. The JCS adviser told me that one of Hollande’s main goals in flying to Washington had been to try to persuade Obama to join the EU in a mutual declaration of war against Islamic State. Obama said no. The Europeans had pointedly not gone to Nato, to which Turkey belongs, for such a declaration. ‘Turkey is the problem,’ the JCS adviser said.

Assad, naturally, doesn’t accept that a group of foreign leaders should be deciding on his future. Imad Moustapha, now Syria’s ambassador to China, was dean of the IT faculty at the University of Damascus, and a close aide of Assad’s, when he was appointed in 2004 as the Syrian ambassador to the US, a post he held for seven years. Moustapha is known still to be close to Assad, and can be trusted to reflect what he thinks. He told me that for Assad to surrender power would mean capitulating to ‘armed terrorist groups’ and that ministers in a national unity government – such as was being proposed by the Europeans – would be seen to be beholden to the foreign powers that appointed them. These powers could remind the new president ‘that they could easily replace him as they did before to the predecessor … Assad owes it to his people: he could not leave because the historic enemies of Syria are demanding his departure.’

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Moustapha also brought up China, an ally of Assad that has allegedly committed more than $30 billion to postwar reconstruction in Syria. China, too, is worried about Islamic State. ‘China regards the Syrian crisis from three perspectives,’ he said: international law and legitimacy; global strategic positioning; and the activities of jihadist Uighurs, from Xinjiang province in China’s far west. Xinjiang borders eight nations – Mongolia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India – and, in China’s view, serves as a funnel for terrorism around the world and within China. Many Uighur fighters now in Syria are known to be members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement – an often violent separatist organisation that seeks to establish an Islamist Uighur state in Xinjiang. ‘The fact that they have been aided by Turkish intelligence to move from China into Syria through Turkey has caused a tremendous amount of tension between the Chinese and Turkish intelligence,’ Moustapha said. ‘China is concerned that the Turkish role of supporting the Uighur fighters in Syria may be extended in the future to support Turkey’s agenda in Xinjiang. We are already providing the Chinese intelligence service with information regarding these terrorists and the routes they crossed from on travelling into Syria.’

Moustapha’s concerns were echoed by a Washington foreign affairs analyst who has closely followed the passage of jihadists through Turkey and into Syria. The analyst, whose views are routinely sought by senior government officials, told me that ‘Erdoğan has been bringing Uighurs into Syria by special transport while his government has been agitating in favour of their struggle in China. Uighur and Burmese Muslim terrorists who escape into Thailand somehow get Turkish passports and are then flown to Turkey for transit into Syria.’ He added that there was also what amounted to another ‘rat line’ that was funnelling Uighurs – estimates range from a few hundred to many thousands over the years – from China into Kazakhstan for eventual relay to Turkey, and then to IS territory in Syria. ‘US intelligence,’ he said, ‘is not getting good information about these activities because those insiders who are unhappy with the policy are not talking to them.’ He also said it was ‘not clear’ that the officials responsible for Syrian policy in the State Department and White House ‘get it’. IHS-Jane’s Defence Weekly estimated in October that as many as five thousand Uighur would-be fighters have arrived in Turkey since 2013, with perhaps two thousand moving on to Syria. Moustapha said he has information that ‘up to 860 Uighur fighters are currently in Syria.’

China’s growing concern about the Uighur problem and its link to Syria and Islamic State have preoccupied Christina Lin, a scholar who dealt with Chinese issues a decade ago while serving in the Pentagon under Donald Rumsfeld. ‘I grew up in Taiwan and came to the Pentagon as a critic of China,’ Lin told me. ‘I used to demonise the Chinese as ideologues, and they are not perfect. But over the years as I see them opening up and evolving, I have begun to change my perspective. I see China as a potential partner for various global challenges especially in the Middle East. There are many places – Syria for one – where the United States and China must co-operate in regional security and counterterrorism.’ A few weeks earlier, she said, China and India, Cold War enemies that ‘hated each other more than China and the United States hated each other, conducted a series of joint counterterrorism exercises. And today China and Russia both want to co-operate on terrorism issues with the United States.’ As China sees it, Lin suggests, Uighur militants who have made their way to Syria are being trained by Islamic State in survival techniques intended to aid them on covert return trips to the Chinese mainland, for future terrorist attacks there. ‘If Assad fails,’ Lin wrote in a paper published in September, ‘jihadi fighters from Russia’s Chechnya, China’s Xinjiang and India’s Kashmir will then turn their eyes towards the home front to continue jihad, supported by a new and well-sourced Syrian operating base in the heart of the Middle East.’

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General Dempsey and his colleagues on the Joint Chiefs of Staff kept their dissent out of bureaucratic channels, and survived in office. General Michael Flynn did not. ‘Flynn incurred the wrath of the White House by insisting on telling the truth about Syria,’ said Patrick Lang, a retired army colonel who served for nearly a decade as the chief Middle East civilian intelligence officer for the DIA. ‘He thought truth was the best thing and they shoved him out. He wouldn’t shut up.’ Flynn told me his problems went beyond Syria. ‘I was shaking things up at the DIA – and not just moving deckchairs on the Titanic. It was radical reform. I felt that the civilian leadership did not want to hear the truth. I suffered for it, but I’m OK with that.’ In a recent interview in Der Spiegel, Flynn was blunt about Russia’s entry into the Syrian war: ‘We have to work constructively with Russia. Whether we like it or not, Russia made a decision to be there and to act militarily. They are there, and this has dramatically changed the dynamic. So you can’t say Russia is bad; they have to go home. It’s not going to happen. Get real.’

Few in the US Congress share this view. One exception is Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii and member of the House Armed Services Committee who, as a major in the Army National Guard, served two tours in the Middle East. In an interview on CNN in October she said: ‘The US and the CIA should stop this illegal and counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad and should stay focused on fighting against … the Islamic extremist groups.’

‘Does it not concern you,’ the interviewer asked, ‘that Assad’s regime has been brutal, killing at least 200,000 and maybe 300,000 of his own people?’

‘The things that are being said about Assad right now,’ Gabbard responded, ‘are the same that were said about Gaddafi, they are the same things that were said about Saddam Hussein by those who were advocating for the US to … overthrow those regimes … If it happens here in Syria … we will end up in a situation with far greater suffering, with far greater persecution of religious minorities and Christians in Syria, and our enemy will be far stronger.’

‘So what you are saying,’ the interviewer asked, ‘is that the Russian military involvement in the air and on-the-ground Iranian involvement – they are actually doing the US a favour?’

‘They are working toward defeating our common enemy,’ Gabbard replied.

Gabbard later told me that many of her colleagues in Congress, Democrats and Republicans, have thanked her privately for speaking out. ‘There are a lot of people in the general public, and even in the Congress, who need to have things clearly explained to them,’ Gabbard said. ‘But it’s hard when there’s so much deception about what is going on. The truth is not out.’ It’s unusual for a politician to challenge her party’s foreign policy directly and on the record. For someone on the inside, with access to the most secret intelligence, speaking openly and critically can be a career-ender. Informed dissent can be transmitted by means of a trust relationship between a reporter and those on the inside, but it almost invariably includes no signature. The dissent exists, however. The longtime consultant to the Joint Special Operations Command could not hide his contempt when I asked him for his view of the US’s Syria policy. ‘The solution in Syria is right before our nose,’ he said. ‘Our primary threat is Isis and all of us – the United States, Russia and China – need to work together. Bashar will remain in office and, after the country is stabilised there will be an election. There is no other option.’

The military’s indirect pathway to Assad disappeared with Dempsey’s retirement in September. His replacement as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Joseph Dunford, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee in July, two months before assuming office. ‘If you want to talk about a nation that could pose an existential threat to the United States, I’d have to point to Russia,’ Dunford said. ‘If you look at their behaviour, it’s nothing short of alarming.’ In October, as chairman, Dunford dismissed the Russian bombing efforts in Syria, telling the same committee that Russia ‘is not fighting’ IS. He added that America must ‘work with Turkish partners to secure the northern border of Syria’ and ‘do all we can to enable vetted Syrian opposition forces’ – i.e. the ‘moderates’ – to fight the extremists.

Obama now has a more compliant Pentagon. There will be no more indirect challenges from the military leadership to his policy of disdain for Assad and support for Erdoğan. Dempsey and his associates remain mystified by Obama’s continued public defence of Erdoğan, given the American intelligence community’s strong case against him – and the evidence that Obama, in private, accepts that case. ‘We know what you’re doing with the radicals in Syria,’ the president told Erdoğan’s intelligence chief at a tense meeting at the White House (as I reported in the LRB of 17 April 2014). The Joint Chiefs and the DIA were constantly telling Washington’s leadership of the jihadist threat in Syria, and of Turkey’s support for it. The message was never listened to. Why not?


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 21, 2015, 07:12:32 PM »
For DMG and CD,

Proof that Trump has hit his ceiling............ :-D :-D

Packed to the rafters.......better raise the ceiling...........don't see Cruz or Rubio getting this type of reception......but Trumpeters are only there to see a celeb.....as the pundits will tell you.  They are not voters.




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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 21, 2015, 02:40:23 PM »
You mean the "Democrat" Trump of 1988 who spoke at the Republican National Convention?

 :evil:

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 21, 2015, 12:04:39 PM »
They go to

McCain  (They still think that it is 2008.)

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 21, 2015, 11:57:34 AM »
We can see the affect Trump has had on Cruz.  Ask Cruz a position question, he says,"I have the same view as Trump".


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 21, 2015, 08:20:40 AM »
You are right. With Mrs. Graham out, Trump is finished..............again..................and again..................and again..........................

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 21, 2015, 07:27:36 AM »
Interesting analysis of the different types of polling methods and why Trump performs better with online polls.

http://morningconsult.com/2015/12/why-donald-trump-performs-better-in-online-polling/?utm_content=23140621&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 21, 2015, 07:14:52 AM »
Yes, if Trump loses as a legitimate candidate and the GOPe votes for him, you are correct. We will still have the same problems. But if the GOPe does not support him and does not vote or else votes for Hillary, the end of the GOP is there anyway.


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 21, 2015, 07:11:38 AM »
How will his support be divided up? All two voters...........

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 20, 2015, 03:28:15 PM »
Needed to add something to the Iowa poll...

Quote
[…]  For the October, November, and December waves, all respondents from previous waves were contacted to participate. Recontact rates ranged from 42% to 53% for each state. In addition, new respondents were selected from the YouGov panel each wave. Approximately 60% of the October wave consists of reinterviews, with the remainder coming from new additions. Approximately 70% of the November wave consists of reinterviews from the previous waves, and approximately 90% of the December wave consists of reinterviews. (link and complex pdf methodology below)

So they are recontacting people that they had contacted earlier to see where they stand now. And who knows what the criteria was for selecting those that they would recontact.

This is not a real poll of where all people stand today.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 20, 2015, 03:22:29 PM »
Maybe this is the video that ISIS is showing to recruit

https://youtu.be/Hkge4bVRQ08?t=197

If you haven't watch Trump rallies, notice in the video the pull he has. Where is pull like that for Hillary, Cruz, Rubio?


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 20, 2015, 01:44:18 PM »

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Looking at this Obama-Boehner-Ryan budget, what was needed was conservative strength and conservative leadership and it was needed way earlier in this process.  It didn't come from anywhere in congress so it has to come from a new administration

We were promised "conservative strength and leadership" in 2010, 2012 and 2014. It never happened. Why should it be any different under Rubio?  (Of course, he can't even catch Trump in one state, needless to say win the nomination.

How is Rubio going to win the nomination? What is his "road map" where his support exists now?

As a throw away to DMG. here is the latest Iowa poll.  Cruz expanding the lead. Carson support moving to Cruz, unlike in other states where most Carson is going to Trump.

 Relevance? President Kasich. President Huckabee.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 20, 2015, 11:05:55 AM »
There lies the difference with you and I. When I look at the last few decades and the march towards larger and larger government, and then look at debacles like the Ryan Omnibus, what is the difference between the parties. They all say one thing and do another.

Let's say Hillary wins but the Pubbies retain control of the House and the Senate. How much influence would Hillary have? If you think a lot, then it means that you would expect the House and Senate to continue to give in and not fight her, just like Obama. And if that is so, what the hell good are they?  (Sure, she could try the Executive Order bit, but if the Pubbies had any balls, they could put an end to that.)

Why does the Party faithful not support Trump? Because they know that if Trump gets nominated, the GOP gets changed permanently. The power of the Party transfers to the base and not the Establishment. Any if Trump is nominated and loses, then the GOPe can say, "See, we told you so", and thus keep their power. That is why so many are coming out and suggesting that they would vote Hillary and not Trump.

This is a battle for the soul of the Party. It is the middle class base versus the elites and the future of the Party.

Frankly, I expect that we are going to see a major 2008 type collapse again, housing, financial and who knows what else? When it hits, everything will change anyway, whether it be social, economic or political systems. Might as well get it over quickly and start rebuilding.

(BTW, if it is Rubio or Cruz as the nominee and either loses to Hillary, which I expect, the GOP is finished anyway. It will be seen as the GOPe having steered the Party to another "electable" nominee, who once again lost. At that point, Trump becomes the leader of the Party no matter what, and even though he does not run again. The times, they are a changin'.)


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"Why didn't Reps ever use the filibuster when the Dems controlled everything?"

I'm under they impression they did e.g. on Obamacare but the Dems did an evasionary end run via budget reconciliation.

The budget reconciliation was not done to avoid the filibuster. All spending bills are originated in the House and not in the Senate. The House was not going to put together what Obama wanted. So the Senate took a House Bill, stripped everything out of it, and put in the Obama Care regulations. Then they passed it and sent it to the House. And under reconciliation, 51% was all that was needed to pass it.

Pure manipulation. Same thing that was done with TPA and with TPP.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 19, 2015, 09:06:51 AM »
Why didn't Reps ever use the filibuster when the Dems controlled everything?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 19, 2015, 07:32:30 AM »
Someone just said again that Trump support has hit the ceiling and can't go any higher.

I say time to "Raise the Ceiling.........again!"

  :evil: :evil: :evil:


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CD,

So let me get this straight...............Ryan had no ability to change or revise the Omnibus Bill?  B.S.

Ryan could have made changes, allowed revisions, etc. Then it would have gone to reconciliation. Of course, there would have been a battle, and in the end if changes had been severe, Obama would veto it. But is that bad?  Hell no!

Ryan wanted to be the Speaker so bad, he was willing to sell out the base of the party. This is just one more rollover and one more FU to the base from the GOPe.
and that is why I support Trump.




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Why is anyone surprised by what Ryan did? He was picked for that position so he could do just what he did.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump
« on: December 18, 2015, 06:53:22 PM »
Charles is an absolute elitist GOPe hack.

1. When Trump said ask them, has anyone thought that he was being sarcastic? What did this fool and others think he should do? Say exactly how these people would be vetted, checked out? If so, our enemy would develop other strategies to get around the checks, Hell, they are alread using fake passports, etc.

2. The 14th Amendment does not need to be changed. It needs to be correctly enforced. Forget the 1985 SCOTUS case where a dissenting opinion stated the case for anchor babies which did not have the power of law behind it. Enforce the damned law properly.

3. Break up the families? No need to. The anchor babies are here unlawfully. Send them back with the rest of the family.

4. On Syria, let the Russians handle things. Then if they can't and need the help, we go in all Jacksonian and kill, kill, kill. Fight like in WW2, or else not at all.

5. The Kurds......what a false argument. The Kurds don't want to come here. They want weapons so they can fight and save their homeland. What part of this does Bride of Chuckie not get.  Oh, that's right. He is just parroting what he has read elsewhere without giving it any reasoned thought.

6. And the ban would be temporary until new processes could be figured out. But our brave and bold GOP Senators and Rep don't want to do anything that could invite criticism, or even worse, Obama whining at them.  The cowards!!!

7. Take down Obama? They haven't challenged him on anything else. Look at the damned Budget that just passed. They gave everything away to Obama that he wanted. Any of the candidates actually challenged him? Only with a sound bite, and while doing so, pissing their pants.

Charles is a joke. I can't listen or look at that idiot anymore.


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Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential
« on: December 18, 2015, 05:17:42 PM »
Interesting comparing the previous result to now.

This month Trump down 11 and in Nov up 5.

With Cruz it is a tie and in Nov, Cuz +4

Rubio, +2 now down from +8


Also, Trump wins on being the most effective on ISIS, Commander in Chief, and Economy

Key Point,

The Poll has

43% Dem
39% Rep
16% Ind

Theses numbers are NOT representative of the electorate as a whole. Too many Dems and Reps and not enough Ind.

For only the Top 4 candidates, Trump is at 49 followed by Cruz at 25.

The problem is the number of people who say that they consider Trump a "side show".  Dem 76, Rep 36, Ind 56.  So what can be observed with this is that many Reps or Indies will desert the party at this time if Trump is the nominee.

And yet the Trumpkins are the ones being castigated about throwing the election to Hillary if we don't support an other than Trump nominee?  Go figure............





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