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WSJ: Bernard-Henri Levy: Islamic State will be defeated
« Reply #650 on: September 03, 2015, 09:25:15 AM »

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Sept. 2, 2015 6:46 p.m. ET
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I spent last week with the Kurdish Peshmerga as they battled Islamic State. With a film crew, I traveled a long segment of the 600-mile front along which the Kurds of Iraq are taking on the decapitators.

And I tell you, those decapitators, the barbarians with the black flag who, for the time being, have carved out a quasi-state straddling Iraq and Syria, will be defeated. They will be defeated because although they are very adept terrorists they are not good soldiers.

They will be defeated because they act tough for the camera while slitting the throats of defenseless hostages, but they scattered like rabbits when, on Aug. 26 around Albu Najem, a Kurdish people’s army moved in and reoccupied 77 square miles.

They will be defeated because, on that same day in the village of Tal Bassal, local journalists and observers recorded them being routed after inflicting a relatively small number of casualties among the Peshmerga (11, to my knowledge), mostly by planting explosives in the houses and mosques that they abandoned, in jerrycans, or under roadside rocks.

They will be defeated because, contrary to what one hears constantly repeated, they are not as brave as they seem: They love death less than the Kurds love life.

They will be defeated because fewer of them than many think are able to say convincingly why they fight, whereas the Kurds are defending their land and an idea, the dream of a country of their own and a model of society that is unique in the region.

They will be defeated because they are facing an increasingly professional army composed, exceptionally, of men and women of all ages and circumstances, many of whom left behind successful civilian lives, an army whose infantry comprises foot soldiers age 20, 30, 50 and older. I even encountered, in oven-like heat on the highest outcropping of Mount Zartak, an octogenarian serving shoulder to shoulder with his younger comrades. He had been keeping watch the night before, when an Islamic State column crept up the slope hoping to take the Kurdish encampment from behind.

They will be defeated because their leaders lie low and send their brainless zealots to the slaughter, whereas the Kurdish generals whom I have met are right there on the front line, respectable and respected: concrete bunkers for the troops but, for Maj. Gen. Maghdid Harki, the position most exposed to snipers firing from the village of Bartila.

They will be defeated because the black flags that can be seen through binoculars a few hundred yards away in the Kirkuk sector are planted in areas full of civilians—and one never wins by making civilians into human shields.

They will be defeated because the destroyed granaries, the blown-up agricultural facilities, the ruined roads, the collapsed bridge over an irrigation canal overgrown with reeds, the smoldering ruins—in short, the scenes of desolation in the zones that they have briefly controlled and been forced to abandon by the army of liberation—attest that they know no other policy than that of scorched earth. And with that policy one does not prevail for long.

They will be defeated because the Kurds, while loving life, are also capable, when necessary, of risking death to perform deeds of startling bravery, as suggested by the meaning of Peshmerga: one who confronts death. That is the story of one Jamal Mohammed Salih, who, seeing a suicide truck hurtling toward his position, reflected only a split second before putting his tank in its path to save his 80 comrades. He survived. He was gravely wounded, but he survived, and we were able to record his moving account.

They will be defeated because Islamic State has traitors in its ranks who inform the Peshmerga of its movements, allowing the Kurdish fighters to surprise the enemy.

They will be defeated because when, near Gwair, we fell on their radio frequency, it was not hard to imagine that, like the Khmer Rouge, they will end up killing each other in confusion.

They will be defeated because in the past year the Peshmerga, having quickly overcome their surprise of a year ago, have hardened their positions around the Mosul Dam, carved out trails in the scree above Qaraqosh, built a fort at the most strategically located site in the Kirkuk sector, fortified the rocky outcroppings in the Zartak zone, and, on the plains, dug trenches up to 10 yards wide to stop kamikaze trucks.

Finally, they will be defeated because a strong international coalition, led by the United States, is fighting alongside the Kurds. I visited its command center at an old air base from which Saddam Hussein’s chemical-weapons attacks were carried out. And I am convinced that the coalition will end up delivering the final blow to Islamic State.

Mr. Lévy’s books include “Left in Dark Times: A Stand Against the New Barbarism” (Random House, 2008). This op-ed was translated from the French by Steven B. Kennedy.
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JOSEPH HAMBRICK 5 minutes ago

The hundreds of thousands of war refugees risking (and thousands losing) their lives fleeing this god-forsaken region appear not as optimistic as Mr. Levy.
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Alan Lowenthal
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Hard to imagine a people more deserving of a state than the Kurds.  Our government needs to lead this effort forward.  This should be done simultaneously with facilitating peace talks with the Turks.
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Lt Col David McCarthy
Lt Col David McCarthy 32 minutes ago

Having served as a U.S. Marine alongside the Peshmerga in 2002-2004 I can state unequivocally that my personal observation is that they are wonderful people and true warriors. If we - the West - would just give them the tools they need they would wipe out the fundamentalist muslim terrorists. It is also my feeling that the Kurdish people deserve their own country.  Since I am neither a statesman nor a politician I will not opine as to how well the rest of the region (i.e. the Turks) would stand a free Kurdish Nation.
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Congressional Democrats Paid By Iranian Lobby to Support Nuke Deal...
« Reply #651 on: September 04, 2015, 07:40:16 AM »
This is another of the many facts NOT being reported by most of the media:

http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/congressional-democrats-paid-by-iranian-lobby-to-support-obamas-nuke-deal.html/

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WSJ on Russia's Syrian Play
« Reply #657 on: September 14, 2015, 10:46:06 AM »
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Putin’s Syria Play
Obama’s vacuum helps Russia reverse 70 years of U.S. Mideast policy.
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For 70 years American Presidents from both parties have sought to thwart Russian influence in the Middle East. Harry Truman forced the Red Army to withdraw from northern Iran in 1946. Richard Nixon raised a nuclear alert to deter Moscow from resupplying its Arab clients during the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Even Jimmy Carter threatened military force to protect the Persian Gulf after the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

So it says something about the current Administration’s strategic priorities that it is having trouble deciding what to do about Vladimir Putin’s decision to send combat planes to Syria to prop up Bashar Assad’s faltering regime. Should the U.S. oppose the move—or join in?

Last month the Israeli website Ynet reported that the Kremlin planned to deploy combat aircraft to Syria to help the Assad regime. The Russians are also sending an “expeditionary force” of “advisers, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and pilots who will operate the aircraft.” That deployment is now underway.

The decision to intervene seems to have been made during a visit to Moscow last month by Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian general in charge of the Quds Force. The general, who armed anti-American Shiite militias in Iraq, now oversees Tehran’s efforts to save Mr. Assad. The Iran nuclear deal lifts international sanctions against Mr. Soleimani and the Quds Force.

So what is the Obama Administration to do? Secretary of State John Kerry warned Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov last week that Russian intervention could “further escalate the conflict” and “lead to greater loss of life,” as if human rights are the lodestar of the Kremlin’s foreign policy. Mr. Obama also weighed in Friday, saying the Russian intervention was “doomed to fail,” and that Moscow was “going to have to start getting a little smarter.”

Mr. Obama made similar tut-tutting remarks about Mr. Putin after the invasion of Ukraine, which hardly dented the Russian’s taste for foreign adventures. But that doesn’t mean the Administration has given up on the Russians.

“The options are to try to confront Russia inside Syria or, as some in the White House are advocating, cooperate with Russia there on the fight against Islamic State,” Bloomberg’s Josh Rogin reported last week. The thinking seems to be that the U.S. has a chance to turn a lemon into lemonade by accepting Russia’s intervention as a fait accompli while defeating a common enemy.

Now that would be a sight: American F-18 pilots becoming wingmen to Russian MiGs to help a blood-soaked dictator stay in power. Yet as far-fetched as that seems, it’s also hard to see this President taking steps that might run any risk of confronting Russia or irritating the Iranians so soon after the nuclear deal. The result is likely to be one more policy abdication: More sermonizing about Russia being on the wrong side of history, and perhaps a few additional economic sanctions.

Russian intervention will not defeat the Islamic State. But it might save the Assad regime, while giving Moscow a new sphere of influence in the Middle East. It will also reinforce the lesson—for Mr. Putin and other autocrats—that the U.S. under Mr. Obama is a pushover and that now is the time to seize their chances.

As for the U.S., Russia’s intervention is another strategic debacle that could have been avoided if Washington had intervened years ago, when Islamic State didn’t exist and we still had credible moderate allies in the country. Had the anti-interventionist wing of the GOP followed John McCain’s and Lindsey Graham’s advice to act forcefully at the start of the uprising, they wouldn’t now be fretting about the Syrian refugees now swamping Europe.

The best option now for the U.S. would be to work with Turkey, Israel and Jordan to establish no-fly zones along their respective borders with Syria, along with protected “no-drive” zones in designated civilian safe havens. The model is Operation Provide Comfort, which established a safe haven for Kurds after the 1991 Gulf War and created the basis for a stable Iraqi enclave that is now our ally against Islamic State.

Russian pilots will not lightly risk a confrontation against superior American firepower and technology. A no-fly zone would also put some teeth into Mr. Obama’s promise to continue to oppose Iran’s regional behavior. Even better would be for the Administration finally to get serious about arming and training a viable Syrian opposition force, but don’t hold your breath.

Still, there’s a chance for the next American President to learn lessons from Syria: Namely, that inaction has consequences, and weakness is provocative. Until then, don’t expect any respite from Mr. Putin’s power plays—in Syria, Ukraine or anywhere else where his ambitions can find an opening in Barack Obama’s weakness.

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Iran prepares to annex Iraq
« Reply #658 on: September 23, 2015, 09:18:07 AM »
Iran Prepares to Annex Iraq

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani told his nation Tuesday that Iran and Iran alone has the military might in the Middle East to keep the Islamic State at bay. The remarks came during a military parade commemorating the start of the 35-year-old Iraq-Iran War. "[If] terrorists begin to expand in the region, the only hope will be Iran's army and the Revolutionary Guards," Rouhani said. And does anyone think they would leave if they came in to wipe out the Islamic State? Rouhani continued, saying the West had little influence in the struggle: "Today, our armed forces are the biggest regional power against terrorism." Seeing how the United States' proxy fighters are doing against the Islamic State, the Iranian president might just be correct. The fight against the Islamic State has ground to a standstill in Iraq, as an offensive to retake Ramadi from the Islamic State has been delayed. So the U.S. turns to Syria, where only a handful of American-trained Syrian rebels are still in the fight. Many of the fighters were delayed in Turkey, but when they returned, they handed over their weapons to the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra. This was exactly the worry many people had in giving arms and training to proxy fighters. As Marco Rubio said: Our military "was not built to conduct pinprick attacks." If we want to take a simplistic route to foreign policy and focus our whole attention to the short term — dealing with the Islamic State — then maybe we should just give Iran $150 billion. Oh, wait...

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« Reply #659 on: September 25, 2015, 06:28:15 AM »
By Paul McLeary with Adam Rawnsley

Piggyback. There’s a new report claiming Russia, Iran, and Syria have set up a joint coordination cell in Baghdad that will work with the country's Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting the Islamic State. One would think that Syrian military officials might have their hands full at home, but the unnamed U.S. intelligence officials in the Fox News story say they’ve seen the evidence. What is not so certain is how much the Iraqi government knows, or is involved, in the coordination group.

We’re also learning more about how the Russians managed to get roughly two dozen fighter planes into Syria without detection. A variety of U.S. officials over the past several days have suggested the planes came in with their tracking transponders off, and that the Su-25 Frogfoot and Su-24 Fencer attack planes actually flew in “tight formations” underneath the massive An-124 cargo planes in order to skirt radar.

Easy targets. In an interview that will be broadcast Sunday on “60 Minutes,” Russian President Vladimir Putin cleared up any misconceptions about Moscow’s intention to prop up the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“There is no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism,” he said. Putin also took a shot at two countries where the U.S. and NATO have recently ousted dictators, which then promptly descended into chaos. Any action “to destroy the legitimate government [in Syria] will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions, for instance in Libya, where all the state institutions are disintegrated,” he said. “We see a similar situation in Iraq.”

Vlad the builder. The Institute for the Study of War has released a series of new satellite images showing new airstrip construction at the Istamo Weapon Storage Facility southeast of Latakia, Syria. The photos show fresh paving and clearing operations, along with new construction at the facility. Both Russian Mi-17 transport, and Ka-27/28 helicopters, “with possible anti-submarine capability,” the report says, are already parked on the new concrete.

Same as it ever was. And in Iraq, the fight grinds on. After 15 months of combat, the Iraqi army has yet to fully take control over the Baiji oil refinery. Despite previous claims by the Baghdad government that the sprawling facility and the nearby town had been cleared -- or were on the verge of being cleared -- of Islamic State fighters, there’s no real end in sight.

Just last month, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said retaking Baiji “is critical to ending Daesh's presence in Iraq,” yet a U.S. official told Reuters this week that Iraqi security forces and their allied Shiite militia forces only control about 20 percent of the refinery and the town. The inability to retake Baiji despite having thousands of troops on the ground backed by months of daily pounding by U.S. warplanes and drones circling overhead has called into question how Baghdad will eventually wrest the heavily fortified city of Mosul from the Islamic State.

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Re: FP
« Reply #661 on: September 25, 2015, 07:28:00 AM »
Obama should draw some sort of red line... :roll:

By Paul McLeary with Adam Rawnsley

Piggyback. There’s a new report claiming Russia, Iran, and Syria have set up a joint coordination cell in Baghdad that will work with the country's Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting the Islamic State. One would think that Syrian military officials might have their hands full at home, but the unnamed U.S. intelligence officials in the Fox News story say they’ve seen the evidence. What is not so certain is how much the Iraqi government knows, or is involved, in the coordination group.

We’re also learning more about how the Russians managed to get roughly two dozen fighter planes into Syria without detection. A variety of U.S. officials over the past several days have suggested the planes came in with their tracking transponders off, and that the Su-25 Frogfoot and Su-24 Fencer attack planes actually flew in “tight formations” underneath the massive An-124 cargo planes in order to skirt radar.

Easy targets. In an interview that will be broadcast Sunday on “60 Minutes,” Russian President Vladimir Putin cleared up any misconceptions about Moscow’s intention to prop up the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“There is no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism,” he said. Putin also took a shot at two countries where the U.S. and NATO have recently ousted dictators, which then promptly descended into chaos. Any action “to destroy the legitimate government [in Syria] will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions, for instance in Libya, where all the state institutions are disintegrated,” he said. “We see a similar situation in Iraq.”

Vlad the builder. The Institute for the Study of War has released a series of new satellite images showing new airstrip construction at the Istamo Weapon Storage Facility southeast of Latakia, Syria. The photos show fresh paving and clearing operations, along with new construction at the facility. Both Russian Mi-17 transport, and Ka-27/28 helicopters, “with possible anti-submarine capability,” the report says, are already parked on the new concrete.

Same as it ever was. And in Iraq, the fight grinds on. After 15 months of combat, the Iraqi army has yet to fully take control over the Baiji oil refinery. Despite previous claims by the Baghdad government that the sprawling facility and the nearby town had been cleared -- or were on the verge of being cleared -- of Islamic State fighters, there’s no real end in sight.

Just last month, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said retaking Baiji “is critical to ending Daesh's presence in Iraq,” yet a U.S. official told Reuters this week that Iraqi security forces and their allied Shiite militia forces only control about 20 percent of the refinery and the town. The inability to retake Baiji despite having thousands of troops on the ground backed by months of daily pounding by U.S. warplanes and drones circling overhead has called into question how Baghdad will eventually wrest the heavily fortified city of Mosul from the Islamic State.


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Obama's Treason...
« Reply #662 on: September 25, 2015, 08:05:50 AM »
This President will be responsible - via this Iran deal - for the deaths of millions - including Americans.  I believe he is aware of this, and doesn't care - because his main goal is the diminution of the United States as a world power.
"You have enemies?  Good.  That means that you have stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill.

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Re: Obama's Treason...
« Reply #663 on: September 25, 2015, 08:07:27 AM »
This President will be responsible - via this Iran deal - for the deaths of millions - including Americans.  I believe he is aware of this, and doesn't care - because his main goal is the diminution of the United States as a world power.

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Is Obama a traitor, a fool, or both?
« Reply #664 on: September 26, 2015, 04:29:22 PM »
Woof All:

In our collective search for Truth around here I do my best to offer solutions, and not just criticism.

I now officially withdraw my previous offering (withdraw recognition of Sykes-Picot lines, recognize Kurdistan and build base there, support Jordan, Egypt, etc) because no longer is it militarily viable.

With what Russia has accomplished in Syria in the last few weeks, the US no longer has any options in the Middle East worthy of the name.  Russian has installed jets with high quality air-to-air capabilities.   As best as I can tell, the US would be very hard pressed to be plausible in this theater from here forward; air superiority was our last ace in the hole.

 The Axis from Iran, Shiastan in Iraq, "Assad-istan" and Lebanon means the US no longer has a secure route into Kurdistan.  With Obama-Kerry funding Iranian efforts to the tune of $100-150B, and Obama-Kerry allowing Iran to buy long range missiles on the international market, and Russia now selling them the long threatened ground-to-air radar-missile defense system Iran becomes ever less reachable and freer to intimidate locally , , , and further.

As best as I can tell the Russia-Iran axis may well be effective against ISIS, and Shiastan may well be absorbed in fact if not name into Iran.  As landlocked ISIS is crunched, it will be time to move against Israel.

Hard to avoid the conclusion that world war is coming.

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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #665 on: September 26, 2015, 06:05:27 PM »
Too bad we can't get an update on how awesome Obama is from Rachel.

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Putin and Obama to have talks on Syria
« Reply #666 on: September 26, 2015, 06:53:18 PM »
 Analytic Guidance: What the U.S.-Russia Talks on Syria Portend
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U.S. President Barack Obama meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the G20 summit in Los Cabos, Mexico, on June 18, 2012. (ALEXEI NIKOLSKY/AFP/Getty)
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Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to the United States next week will put his political strategy in Syria to the test. Putin is looking to re-engage with the global power brokers that have been punishing his country since 2014, and he is betting that a strong role in Syria will buy him leverage at the negotiating table. On the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York, where he is set to give a speech Sept. 28, Putin will try out his newfound bargaining power in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama.

The sit-down will be the two presidents' first meeting on U.S. or Russian soil since Putin's 2012 return to the presidency. The top issue will be a Russian proposal for the conflict in Syria, which seeks to coordinate ongoing U.S. efforts with Russia's stepped up operations in a way that recognizes the role of the forces of Syrian President Bashar al Assad in the campaign against the Islamic State. However, Moscow has included a crucial concession in the potential agreement that conforms to a key U.S. demand: a political transition away from the current government. Washington has also proposed that Russia join the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, something the Russian Foreign Ministry has said is "theoretically" possible.

According to reports in U.S. media citing anonymous Russian sources, Moscow is prepared to move forward with a unilateral campaign against the Islamic State if the United States does not cooperate. Leaks to Russian media outlets Kommersant and Novaya Gazeta suggest that Russia might do so while Putin is in New York, perhaps even during his U.N. speech. This is a plausible threat — the Russians already have significant assets in place and are ready to begin air operations. Unconfirmed reports from Syrian government and pro-rebel sources are already indicating that Russian airstrikes may have commenced in support of the push to relieve loyalist forces at Aleppo's Kweiris air base.

Russian operations against the Islamic State would likely take place in several places across Syria. In Homs, Russian forces could support a government counteroffensive against the Islamic State-held city of Palmyra. An intervention could also support the besieged Syrian 104th Republican Brigade in Deir el-Zour or the ongoing push toward Kweiris air base. The Russians are also likely to provide air support to Syrian loyalist forces fighting against non-Islamic State rebels: Jaish al-Fatah in northwest Hama province and the Latakia mountains, Turkish- and Qatari-backed rebels in Aleppo and Saudi-backed Jaish al-Islam in and around the city of Damascus.

Russia's timing is deliberate. Moscow has purposely built up its position in Syria to coincide with Putin's visit. By intervening in the crisis, Russia wants to show that its standoff with the West over Ukraine has neither isolated it nor made it any less integral to the international system. It is also signaling that Russia can still partner with the United States despite the apparent erosion of relations between the two countries. Syria has induced the United States to meet with Russia after months of scant negotiations.

Moscow will take this opportunity to try to initiate talks over a host of other issues, including Ukraine, Western sanctions and NATO's expanding presence. The United States, however, has not indicated a desire to shift its position on these issues. On the contrary, Washington is lobbying the Europeans to maintain sanctions on Russia in spite of a relatively solid cease-fire in Ukraine and election compromise proposals from Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. The meeting between Putin and Obama will indicate whether the United States plans to stand firm on these issues or open the door for future negotiations.

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"Obama built that"
« Reply #667 on: September 27, 2015, 03:12:33 PM »

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WSJ: Baraq's Dangerous Currents
« Reply #668 on: September 28, 2015, 05:56:31 PM »
One sotto voce argument the Obama Administration made for its nuclear deal with Iran is that Russia and Iran would return the favor by cooperating to settle the Syrian civil war. As so often in this Presidency, the opposite is turning out to be true.

Mr. Obama said the U.S. departure from Iraq in 2011 would reduce “the tide of war,” but war has returned with a vengeance. He said a “reset” would improve relations with Russia, but tensions are far worse than when he took office. He said the U.S. could safely wind down its military operations in Afghanistan, but on Monday the Taliban took control of the city of Kunduz from the Afghan government.

Even Mr. Obama, addressing the U.N. General Assembly on Monday, had little choice but to acknowledge the rising tide of disorder. “We come together today knowing that the march of human progress never travels in a straight line,” he said. “Dangerous currents risk pulling us back into a darker, more disordered world.” In particular, he added, “we see some major powers assert themselves in ways that contravene international law.”

Nowhere is that clearer now than in Syria, the catastrophe that has killed more than 220,000, nurtured the Islamic State caliphate, and is now flooding Turkey, Jordan, Europe and the U.S. with millions of refugees. Far from cooperating with the U.S.-led Syria strategy, Mr. Putin and Iran are moving to replace the U.S. coalition and strategy with their own.

Mr. Putin said Monday that he will soon introduce a resolution at the U.N. Security Council calling for a coalition against Islamic State in Syria on Russian and Iranian terms. This means supporting Bashar Assad’s regime in Damascus against all opponents, including those few trained and armed by the U.S.

This follows the weekend news that Iraq’s government, supposedly allied with the U.S. coalition, will share intelligence with Russia, Syria and Iran. It’s hard to fault Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi for the decision. He’s watched for a year while the U.S. coalition has made little progress against Islamic State. His decision risks putting Baghdad further under Tehran’s sway, and pushing more Iraqi Sunnis into Islamic State’s arms. But desperate leaders will act in desperate ways.

The Putin-Tehran goal in Syria is part of a strategy to build an arc of influence that extends from Western Afghanistan through the Eastern Mediterranean. It seeks to diminish U.S. influence in the region, pushing on the open door of Mr. Obama’s desire to leave. The goal is to isolate U.S. allies in Kurdish Iraq and Israel, while forcing the Sunni Arabs to accommodate the Shiite-Russian alliance or face internal agitation and perhaps external conflict.

The White House knows all this but so far is doing little more than protest. Mr. Obama told the U.N. Monday that “there cannot be, after so much bloodshed, so much carnage, a return to the prewar status quo” in Syria. He added that “realism also requires a managed transition away from Assad and to a new leader.”

But how is Mr. Obama going to achieve that result? Mr. Putin is establishing facts on the ground each day as he builds up Russian air and tank deployments in Syria. While claiming to target Islamic State, Russian planes can target anyone Assad deems an enemy, creating tens of thousands more refugees. And Mr. Putin publicly laughs at the feeble U.S. efforts to build a pro-Western anti-Islamic State coalition.

Secretary of State John Kerry hopes to convene a new Geneva dialogue on Syria, but Mr. Assad has less reason than ever to compromise. He knows Russia and Iran, aided by Hezbollah’s footsoldiers, will at a minimum establish an Alawite protectorate in western and southern Syria. And even if Mr. Assad were to step into some other role in a diplomatic gesture, what prominent Sunni Syrian is going to serve in an Alawite successor government knowing it will effectively be run out of Tehran?

While Mr. Obama may keep harrumphing, Mr. Putin no doubt believes the U.S. President lacks the will to challenge Russia and Tehran. Even if the U.S. vetoes Mr. Putin’s U.N. resolution, Mr. Obama is likely to accept Russia’s presence in Syria and thus eventually the survival of Mr. Assad or some other Tehran-Moscow factotum in Damascus. By the time he leaves office Mr. Obama may claim it was all his idea.
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Even as he concedes the growing world disorder, Mr. Obama still won’t admit that his policy of American retreat has created a vacuum for rogues to fill. He exhorted the U.N. on Monday that “I stand before you today believing in my core that we, the nations of the world, cannot return to the old ways of conflict and coercion. We cannot look backwards.”

Oh, yes we can, as the once promising world order deteriorates on Mr. Obama’s watch.

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WSJ: How Baraq could salvage his hapless ISIS strategy
« Reply #669 on: October 01, 2015, 05:37:56 PM »
How Obama Could Salvage His Hapless ISIS Strategy
Sunni Arabs, trained by the U.S. in the Kurdish region of Iraq, could form an effective fighting force.
A mosque destroyed by Islamic State in Mosul, Iraq. ENLARGE
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Even as Russia launched airstrikes Wednesday against rebel forces in Syria, Obama administration officials and U.S. military leaders claim that the campaign against Islamic State is working. The facts suggest otherwise.

Commanders can point to more than 22,000 sorties flown by U.S. aircraft over Iraq and Syria since the campaign began in August 2014. But fewer than one-third of those flights have dropped bombs. That’s because no U.S. air controllers are allowed on the ground to call in targets. In Afghanistan in 2001, where such controllers were present, the U.S. averaged 86 strike sorties a day; in Iraq in 2003, 596; in Libya in 2011, 46. In Iraq and Syria today, there are on average 11 strike sorties a day.

U.S. Central Command, which is accused by its own intelligence analysts of skewing intelligence, claims that between August 2014 and April 2015, Islamic State, also known as ISIS, “can no longer operate freely in roughly 25 to 30 percent of populated areas of Iraqi territory where it once could.” Note the timing of that assessment: It was delivered before Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, and Palmyra, an ancient city in central Syria, fell to ISIS in May.

It’s true that in the past year ISIS lost control of the Iraqi town of Tikrit and of some territory in northern Syria, notably the border town of Kobani. But Iraqi forces have made no progress in taking back the far more important cities of Fallujah, Ramadi or Mosul. Much of eastern Syria remains securely in the hands of ISIS. And now ISIS is claiming “provinces” as far away as Libya and Afghanistan.

Central Command says its military operations have killed more than 12,000 ISIS fighters. Yet assessments of ISIS’s overall strength, at 20,000 to 30,000 fighters, remain unchanged, because more than 1,000 foreign fighters a month are joining ISIS, more than making up for its losses.

ISIS is not invincible. Whenever it has run into a disciplined military force supported by U.S. air power, as in Kobani or Tikrit, it has been defeated. The problem is that the U.S. has neither put enough of its own forces on the ground (only 3,000 in noncombat roles in Iraq) nor succeeded in training enough indigenous personnel. On Sept. 16, Gen. Lloyd Austin, head of Central Command, told Congress that, incredibly, there are only “four or five” American-trained rebel fighters currently fighting in Syria.

The training program is falling short of expectations because the U.S. has done a poor job of providing incentives for Sunnis to fight ISIS. Both Baghdad and Damascus are dominated by Iran and its murderous proxies such as Hezbollah and the Badr Corps—groups that make many Sunnis see ISIS as the lesser evil.

Yet the U.S. insists that Syrian fighters battle only ISIS, not dictator Bashar Assad’s forces or Iran’s proxies, and that Iraqi fighters subordinate themselves to an Iranian-dominated chain of command. At the same time, by providing money and arms to the Baghdad government, the U.S. is subsidizing the Iranian takeover of substantial portions of Iraq. Iraq has even joined a new pact with Russia, Syria and Iran intended to keep Mr. Assad in power under the guise of fighting ISIS. Russia’s role—and its warplanes above Syrian territory—further marginalizes U.S. influence.

Maybe it’s time for a different approach.

Washington could announce that as long as the government in Baghdad continues to pursue a sectarian strategy in cooperation with Iranian-backed terrorist groups such as Kataib Hezbollah and Asaib Ahl al-Haq it will no longer receive U.S. support.

Central Command could then relocate U.S. personnel to the Kurdish north, a relatively safe area where they can train a nonsectarian force to take back Mosul. This force would be composed primarily of Sunni Arabs, many of whom are already refugees in the Kurdish region, because only Arabs can take and hold Arab areas.

Considering how few ISIS fighters are holding Mosul (we estimate 3,000 to 6,000 men), a force of 30,000 Sunni soldiers assisted by U.S. air power and embedded American advisers should be enough for “clear and hold” operations.

Once Mosul is taken, a new Sunni force could be trained to take back Anbar province. If a Sunni revolt against ISIS has success in Iraq, it will shatter that organization’s aura of invincibility and likely spread across the border. And if the U.S. is willing to fight against the Assad regime as well as ISIS, Syrian rebels will be more likely to sign up for training in newly liberated parts of Iraq.

This is admittedly a risky strategy that runs the danger of strengthening Iran’s hold over Baghdad in the short run. But Iran is already the dominant player in Baghdad. It is just possible that if the U.S. were to show that it’s not wedded to supporting the existing power brokers in Baghdad, they may take the hard steps necessary to accommodate Sunnis.

The anti-ISIS campaign has no hope of success as long as Sunnis refuse to mobilize en masse. The strategy we propose offers a way to achieve that goal. The current approach doesn’t.

Mr. Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is the author of “Invisible Armies” (Liveright, 2013). Mr. Pregent, a retired U.S. Army intelligence officer, is a visiting fellow at National Defense University.

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WSJ: Russian planes hit ISIS
« Reply #670 on: October 02, 2015, 09:00:02 AM »

By James Marson And
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Updated Oct. 2, 2015 8:06 a.m. ET
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MOSCOW—Russian warplanes made their first incursion into Islamic State’s home base, as Moscow continued a bombardment of Syria that one official said Friday could last for months.

Russian aircraft flew 18 sorties in the last 24 hours, attacking 12 Islamic State positions, Russia’s defense ministry said, and destroying command posts, a communication hub and a weapons store.

Twelve Islamic State fighters, including two commanders, one from Tunisia and the other from Iraq, were killed near the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an opposition-backed monitoring group.

The U.S. has accused Russia of targeting other groups opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, including some U.S.-backed rebels. Russia says it is targeting Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, as well as other “terrorist groups.”

Russian aircraft destroyed an Islamic State command post and communications hub in Aleppo province—where rebel groups, the Syrian government and Islamic State all have a strong presence—and hit a field camp in Idlib province, a majority of which is rebel-held, according the Defense Ministry.
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Russian strikes also hit and destroyed a concealed command post in a district to the southwest of Raqqa, the ministry said.

The Observatory’s Rami Abdel Rahman, whose organization tracks developments in Syria’s conflict via a network of activists on the ground, said the areas hit by Russian rockets were near the Tabaqa military airport and to the west of the city.

At least nine strikes in total hit Raqqa city and its outskirts on Thursday night, the Observatory said in a report on its website, though it remained unclear how many of the strikes were launched by the Russians and how many by the U.S.-led anti-Islamic State coalition that has been bombing extremists there since last fall.

The province of Raqqa is almost entirely under the group’s control and is the base from which the Sunni Muslim extremist group last summer launched its offensive on bordering Iraq.

The Russian Defense Ministry said its aircraft were using onboard navigation and target-acquisition systems to allow them to carry out strikes “with absolute precision.”

“With the use of such aircraft, strikes can be carried out on terrorist positions on the whole territory of Syria,” the statement said.

Analysts and officials have said Russia’s attacks may be a prelude to sweeping military operations against all of Mr. Assad’s foes. Iran and Shiite militias such as Hezbollah are already supporting Syrian forces and Tehran said Thursday that it backed joint military action in Syria.

An Iranian diplomat told Russia’s Interfax news agency that there was “no need to send military units” to Syria, but that Iranian military advisers were present there. “Iran always supports Hezbollah, and Hezbollah now supports Syria, led by President al-Assad,” the unidentified diplomat was cited as saying.

Russia’s campaign could last three to four months, Alexei Pushkov, the head of the foreign affairs committee in Russia’s lower house of parliament, said.

“There is always a risk of being bogged down, but in Moscow, we are talking about an operation of three to four months,” Mr. Pushkov told French radio Europe 1, adding that the intensity of the strikes was important.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is due to meet leaders of France, Germany and Ukraine for talks in Paris, where Syria is expected to be a major topic of conversation.

The strikes could further destabilize Syria, driving more people to seek refuge in Europe just as a huge tide of refugees is already sowing political discord on the continent.

They also complicate efforts by the U.S.-led coalition. Two Pentagon officials conducted an hour-long video teleconference with their Russian counterparts on Thursday to discuss how to ensure that aircraft operations didn't conflict with one another.

While the two sides didn't agree to how to do that, Pentagon officials and Russia’s Defense Ministry said the call was productive.

Mr. Pushkov criticized the Western coalition for having bombed the positions of Islamic State for a year with “no results.”

Russia’s airstrike campaign was swiftly approved by parliament Wednesday after the president’s request to permit the country’s military involvement abroad. Initially the Russian president said the airstrikes would be limited, but would last for the duration of the Syrian army’s offensive.

—Karen Leigh in Dubai and Dana Ballout in Beirut contributed to this article.

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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #671 on: October 02, 2015, 10:08:31 AM »
Why are most candidates on the GOP side calling for intervention in this mess? Why put limited ground troops in to go after both ISIS and Assad? What happens if Assad is overthrown? The whole place turns into another mess worse than now with Hezbollah taking full control.
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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #672 on: October 02, 2015, 11:56:48 AM »
Why are most candidates on the GOP side calling for intervention in this mess? Why put limited ground troops in to go after both ISIS and Assad? What happens if Assad is overthrown? The whole place turns into another mess worse than now with Hezbollah taking full control.

Great question!

The short answer is that it is not okay for terror groups to become nation-state size or caliphate and keep expanding without resistance.  It is not okay for them to hold major territory, host training camps, take in oil revenues, buy arms, recruit around the world, and obtain nuclear weapons, all of which is happening on the current course.

Separate from the threats to us is that the genocide and rape and breeding a region and culture with this level of evil isn't acceptable.  There HAS to be a plan, a coalition and a response to it.  Trusting it to Putin only invites new problems.

I like seeing terror groups kill each other.  Like see Iran fight Saddam Hussein, I am tempted to like seeing the US sit this one out - and hope the problems will take care of themselves.  But that is a historically challenged thought.

This one isn't our fight, like it wan't ours or Britain's or France's when Mussolini took Ethiopia (1936) or when Hitler took Austria (1938), Czeckoslovakia, Poland (1939), etc.  Or was it the west's fight earlier than we thought?

In the vacuum left by the US absence, we can watch Putin/Russia/new-Soviets flounder, make enemies and fail instead of us.  But we also see this KGB trained force expanding its own control and influence over a strategically important region.  That also can't end well.

There are no easy or painless solutions.  Step one would have been to keep and hold the peace in Iraq when we had it.

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« Reply #673 on: October 02, 2015, 12:59:59 PM »
"Step one would have been to keep and hold the peace in Iraq when we had it."

THIS.

At this point Baraq has destroyed the viability of so many options -- even mine, as I noted here a few days ago -- that it is hard to come up with what to do.

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« Reply #674 on: October 02, 2015, 01:01:42 PM »
Not much we can do but watch things burn. Good thing Obama is gutting the US military.

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« Reply #675 on: October 02, 2015, 02:39:20 PM »
Now this...................does the Admin want to go to war with Russia? How do we protect the Syrian rebels? These are the same rebels who have also used NBC weapons against the Syrian population. Why are they any better than anyone else?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/02/pentagon-weighs-using-force-to-protect-us-backed-syria-rebels-targeted-by/?intcmp=hplnws

What did we learn when we took Saddam out? It let every single group in Irag go after each other. And it took years to subdue, but the second we left, it all unraveled. Now we want to do the same with Assad in Syria?

If we go in to fight, we go in against ISIS only. We  go to take them out, and we use all force possible. Jacksonian warfare. If not that, we stay the hell out.

(Caveat: I first supported the idea of taking out Saddam, but now I realize how stupid it was.)
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« Reply #676 on: October 02, 2015, 08:27:03 PM »
One can make a fair case that going in was a poor idea-- I thought it a good idea executed quite poorly by Bush until he turned it around and handed over a democratically elected constitutional government.

I don't think that one can make a fair case that leaving was a good idea.  What would have happened if we left Germany, Japan, or South Korea within a year or two of their defeat?

What of the formation of the Russia-Iran-ShiaIraq-Syria-Hezbollah axis?  Doesn't that eventually lead to war with Israel and significant likelihood of nukes?  or nuclear arms race in the most lunatic portion of the planet?  With Russia protection, Iran going nuke is a virtual certainty.
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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #677 on: October 04, 2015, 08:20:04 AM »
Ryan Crocker on Fox News Sunday described Russia, Iran and the Assad Syrian regime as one alliance - not aligned with us.  Russia started by taking out US backed rebels instead of attacking ISIS.  We can check transcript when it comes out to see if I heard that right:  http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/transcripts

Among US options mentioned is a No-Fly-Zone which a) requires credibility we don't have, b) should have been done earlier and c) sets up a superpower confrontation.

Another thing we could try is an Obama red line.  Don't cross THIS, or else...

Crocker also said, if I heard him right, that ISIS is fighting in 7 other countries beyond Iraq and Syria. 
Looking for that I list, I found:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-global-network-expands-at-least-12-military-allies-in-9-countries-beyond-iraq-syria-130178/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/isis-now-has-military-allies-in-11-countries.html
Iraq, Syria.  Militia allies in Pakistan, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Indonesia, Lebanon, Philippines, Jordan and Gaza/Israel have all announced some sort of cooperation with the Islamic State and al-Baghdadi. Many of these organizations were recently affiliated with Al Qaeda and have since switched to ISIS allegiances over the summer and into the fall.
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An aside for another thread, Rand Paul's bet that this would not be a foreign policy election is disappearing - because of the failure of the non-policies that he advocates.  Maybe if we cover our eyes and ears and hum something pleasant this will all go away.

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« Reply #680 on: October 05, 2015, 07:11:49 PM »
Okay, this is getting ridiculous. First Snarly, then Carson, and now Rubio......................chance war with Russia over a No Fly Zone?

Have these candidates lost their "collective frickin minds">


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HARWOOD: ONE FOREIGN POLICY QUESTION. AND I’M GOING TO TOSS IT BACK TO SCOTT WHO HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL. YOU SUPPORT A NO-FLY ZONE IN SYRIA.

RUBIO: I SUPPORT A SAFE ZONE IN SYRIA THAT INCLUDES A NO-FLY ZONE, CORRECT.

HARWOOD: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENGAGE IN MILITARY CONFLICT WITH THE RUSSIANS WHO ARE NOW FLYING BOMBING MISSIONS OVER SYRIA TO ENFORCE THAT ZONE? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE WAR WITH RUSSIA OVER THAT?

RUBIO: NO. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A NO-FLY ZONE, IT HAS TO BE AGAINST ANYONE WHO WOULD DARE INTRUDE ON IT. AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE CAN ENFORCE THAT, INCLUDING AGAINST THE RUSSIANS. THAT I BELIEVE THE RUSSIANS WOULD NOT TEST THAT. I DON’T THINK IT’S IN THE RUSSIANS INTEREST TO ENGAGE IN AN ARMED CONFLICT OF THE UNITED STATES.

HARWOOD: YOU THINK PUTIN WOULD BACK OFF IF WE HAD A NO-FLY ZONE?

RUBIO: I DON’T THINK HE’S GOING TO GO INTO A SAFE ZONE, ABSOLUTELY. I DON’T BELIEVE HE WILL LOOK FOR A DIRECT MILITARY CONFLICT AGAINST THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER TO GO INTO A SAFE ZONE.

HARWOOD: WHAT IF HE WAS?

RUBIO: WELL, THEN YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT THAT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ADVERSARY.

HARWOOD: YOU’D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT CONSEQUENCE?

RUBIO: BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS THIS MASSIVE MIGRATION CRISIS THAT WE’RE NOW FACING. THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT ASSAD WILL REMAIN IN POWER, BUT NEVER CONTROL THE WHOLE WHOLE OF SYRIA AGAIN. THE ALTERNATIVE IS THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF NON-ISIS TERRORIST GROUPS IN ADDITION TO ISIS ITSELF. SO I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE IS WORSE.

HARWOOD: DON’T YOU THINK THE PROSPECT OF POTENTIAL MILITARY – HOT MILITARY CONFLICT WITH RUSSIA WOULD SCARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

RUBIO: SURE. BUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT DOING ANYTHING WOULD SCARE THEM EVEN MORE AND THAT INCLUDES ITS ONGOING CRISIS OF THE MIGRATORY CRISIS THAT WE’RE NOW FACING. THE CONTINUED GROWTH, NOT JUST OF ISIS, BUT A JABHAT A- NUSRA AND OTHER GROUPS IN THE REGION AS WELL. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS NOT AN EASY SITUATION AND WE WISH WE DIDN’T FIND OURSELVES HERE. AND IN MANY REASONS WE ARE IN THIS POSITION, BECAUSE WHAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DIDN’T DO TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ADVOCATING FOR THEM TO DO THIS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO OR A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. NOT NOW THAT BEING SAID, WE CANNOT SAY, WELL, IF PUTIN IS GOING TO TEST US, THEN WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING. YOU’VE BASICALLY AT THAT POINT CEDED TO HIM AS BECOMING THE MOST INFLUENTIAL GEOPOLITICAL BROKER IN THE REGION.
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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #681 on: October 05, 2015, 07:14:04 PM »
Now Carson really scares me.............

Put in a No Fly Zone beginning at the Turkey border.  Is he going to enforce this against Russia?
Inflict pain on Putin........is Carson serious? Does he want to start a war?

Carson and the other NeoCons need to understand the Russian view of their Eastern Borders. Russia is generally attacked through the East in all of history. We start messing around those borders with a full blown No Fly Zone and using financial attacks against Russia, it is only going to worsen thing.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/05/carson-establish-no-fly-zone-along-turkish-border-use-all-the-facilities-to-inflict-pain-on-putin/

"Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson argued for establishing a no-fly zone along the Turkish border and using “all the facilities that we have available to us…to inflict pain” on Vladimir Putin on Monday’s “Cavuto: Coast to Coast” on the Fox Business Network.

Carson stated, “What we, I don’t think, should do, is back down from Putin, right now. We need to make him aware of the fact that we’re not going to alter our flight patterns. We’re not be restricted by anything that he says, same thing with ground, air we will — I would establish a no-fly zone along the Turkish border, because we don’t want the forces to be in juxtaposition, because that will increase the possibility of an international incident. And I would be talking to Putin, and he needs to understand that if he continues with this activity, we’re going to use all the facilities that we have available to us, including financial facilities, to inflict pain on him.”

Carson added, after being told of fellow candidate Donald Trump’s position that if Putin wants to take out ISIS, he should be allowed to do so, “I do not want to allow Vladimir Putin to expand his influence. That’s been his goal for quite some time now. He was very disappointed with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and its tremendous influence worldwide. We cannot contribute to his ability to re-gain that.”

He continued, “we need to have a global strategy, and it needs not only be in Syria, we need to be talking about the Baltic basin. We need to be talking about all of Eastern Europe. We need to be challenging him there. We need more than one armored brigade there — more than two armored brigades. We need to have a missile defense system re-established, which he was horrified when it was there before. Let’s get in his face a little bit.”
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« Reply #682 on: October 06, 2015, 11:46:25 AM »

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« Reply #683 on: October 06, 2015, 12:17:27 PM »
second post

A cogent line of thought, but one that leaves out several deeply important variables IMHO.


Obama is Right to be Cautious on Syria
By Eugene Robinson - October 6, 2015

WASHINGTON -- Contrary to popular belief, President Obama does have a plan for Syria. It's just not one that promises to have much immediate impact on the course of the brutal civil war.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, by contrast, has a plan that is far bolder and much more likely to produce results on the ground -- but only in the short term. I struggle to understand all the handwringing in Washington about the implications of Putin's intervention for "American leadership." We're unprepared to wade in -- for good reason, in my view -- and thus in no position to do much of anything about Russia's foray.

From the start, Obama's bottom-line goal has been to avoid getting dragged into a multi-sided conflict in which the lines between good guys and bad guys are faint and shifting. The president has been cautious in sending arms to the "moderate" rebels seeking to oust dictator Bashar al-Assad, fearing those weapons would fall into the hands of the Islamic State or other jihadist forces. Events have proved Obama right.

Last month, the Pentagon admitted that one-fourth of a shipment of vehicles and ammunition intended for U.S.-trained "good" rebels was quickly handed over to the radical Jabhat al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda affiliate. This is the first time U.S. officials have acknowledged such a weapons transfer but reportedly not the first time it has happened.
The big problem is that our most important goal in Syria is different from that of the non-jihadist rebels we support. The overriding American interest, as defined by Obama, is to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the Islamic State. U.S. airstrikes are designed to further that end, with a major focus being support of rebel forces seeking to recapture Raqqa, the Islamic State's de facto capital in the eastern part of the country.

For many of the rebels, however, the Islamic State is a secondary target. Their principal aim is deposing Assad, whose scorched-earth campaign to retain power is responsible for most of the death and destruction in the country -- and the exodus of millions of refugees who have flooded neighboring countries and created a crisis in Europe.

So, according to foreign policy hawks, we're supposed to give substantially more weapons and air support to rebels whose goals are not the same as ours? That dog don't hunt, and I'm glad Obama remains so cautious.

Putin, by contrast, has a single proxy in Syria and a clear goal: keeping Assad in power. Why should this be a surprise? Moscow has a decades-old relationship with the Assad family regime and a strategically valuable naval base in Syria. From Putin's point of view, the "moderate" rebels -- who are stronger in the western part of the country, around the big cities of Aleppo and Damascus -- are the more consequential threat.

That is why the first Russian airstrikes were against "good" rebels rather than "bad" ones. By no means would I ever defend Putin's Syria policy, which is morally bankrupt. But it's important to understand it.

Inevitably, there have already been reports of civilian casualties from the Russian bombing campaign. But the tragic U.S. bombing Saturday of a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, gives Russian officials a convenient retort: We regret that there is always unfortunate collateral damage in war.

Which brings me to the underlying lesson from the Kunduz accident: Be careful how you choose your friends. The U.S. airstrike reportedly was called in by Afghan military officers, who either made a terrible mistake or had their own reasons for wanting the hospital bombed. In Syria's bloody crazy-quilt landscape, where we have even less reliable allies on the ground, the possibilities for such deadly mistakes are myriad.

All of the above makes Syria a place to tread lightly and carefully. Putin's action has provoked calls for Obama to do something, anything, and I'm sure the Republican presidential candidates will have lots of bellicose advice. Most will involve action the president might have taken several years ago, when the war began; only Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., has a real alternative plan of action -- send tens of thousands of U.S. troops into Syria and Iraq -- and he's barely registering 1 percent in the polls.

The simple fact is that Russia has a clear way to achieve its immediate goals in Syria while the United States does not. Obama's continued reluctance to act for action's sake is prudent -- and presidential. He is right to keep the national interest in mind, not the national ego.

eugenerobinson@washpost.com
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« Reply #684 on: October 06, 2015, 12:24:08 PM »
At this point, who knows what the truth is regarding Turkish airspace violations and the duration. It could be innocent or it could be testing Turkey and the US. As to the Russian ground forces in Syria, let the Russians do what they desire.

There is a fine balance of what to do or not do in any situation. Our cold war forces knew what that balance was, and when airspace violations occurred, they knew how to react. Now we have idiot politicians and generals who have no real cold war experience who are going to be in charge.

All it takes is one mistake and we have a mess. I don't have the confidence in the leadership to not make that mistake.

As to the new post you just did, I think Robinson gives Obama too much credit. Instead of real planning and strategy with Obama, I think it is more pure dumb luck.

I ask this question............what happens if Assad is removed? Who fills the power vacuum?

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« Reply #685 on: October 06, 2015, 12:42:48 PM »
BTW, why are we supporting those in Syria who want to create an Islamic State in Syria? Is one Islamic faction "better" than another?

We are soooo stupid.
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« Reply #686 on: October 06, 2015, 12:48:02 PM »
OTOH also to be considered are these variables:

1) The byproduct of the refugee invasion of Europe (and ultimately us too I fear-- already His Glibness talks of taking in 200,000 refugees-with Christians being given a harder time getting in than Muslims) Will Europe survive as such?  What implications if not?
2) the formation of the Russian-Iranian-Iraq (a.k.a. Shiastan)-Syria-Hezbollah axis.  IMHO this has deep and dangerous middle and long term implications, amongst them:
*Iran acquiring advanced anti-aircraft missile systems-- thus making most military options for insisting they do not go nuke far more dangerous and expensive
*Per the Obama-Kerry deal, in about 5 years Iran can get ICBMs on the international market.  Contemplate this-- Iran sets them up in Cuba
*Iranian troops under a Russian umbrella on the Golan Heights.  Is it a coincidence that Abbas has just renounced the Oslo Accords?
*Hezbollah also being under the Russian Umbrella
*Will Jordan fall due to the chaos being unleased?  What implications for Israel if it does? 
*Indeed, speaking of Israel, at what point does it feel cornered into nuclear options?
*the nuclear arms race that is just beginning e.g. Saudi Arabia is already in talks with Pakistan
*Kazakstan a plausible future target for Putin.  Already he has said it is "not a real country"
*intimidation of NATO has already begun http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKKCN0S00TB20151006  What implications for how Putin moves next with our NATO allies Lithuania et al?  What implications for Ukraine?
*What implications for China in the South China Sea?  Will they not be encouraged to militaristic intervention there (where 30-40% of the world's trade sails?) as they face serious internal economic contradictions?

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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #688 on: October 06, 2015, 05:56:37 PM »
Here is a radar pix of our planes and Russian planes in Syria. LG Brown, running the show, seems unconcerned that the Russian planes have come about 20 miles from ours. 20 miles, head on, is less than 1 minute flight time. Add in an AIM or Sidewinder and it is seconds.  But I guess I should not be concerned. Our pilots are great, and so are Russians. No one will make a mistake. (Russians are yellow.)



Lt. Gen. Charles Brown, commander of the American air campaign, said the Russians have come even closer than that to his unmanned drones.

"The closest has been within a handful of miles of our remotely piloted aircraft," said Brown. "But to our manned aircraft they've not been closer than about 20 miles."

Brown said he intends to simply work around the Russians in Syria, and he doesn't think they will crowd out American operations.

"We're up a lot more often than [the Russians] are so when we do have to move around [them] for safe operation, it's for a small period of time compared to the hours and hours that we're airborne over Iraq and Syria," said Brown.

Despite the Russians, Gen. Brown said he plans to increase strikes against ISIS sanctuaries in Syria. Many of those missions will be flown by the crews of B-1 bombers who now must avoid run-ins with the Russians.
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Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR
« Reply #689 on: October 07, 2015, 06:13:13 AM »
OTOH also to be considered are these variables:

1) The byproduct of the refugee invasion of Europe (and ultimately us too I fear-- already His Glibness talks of taking in 200,000 refugees-with Christians being given a harder time getting in than Muslims) Will Europe survive as such?  What implications if not?
2) the formation of the Russian-Iranian-Iraq (a.k.a. Shiastan)-Syria-Hezbollah axis.  IMHO this has deep and dangerous middle and long term implications, amongst them:
*Iran acquiring advanced anti-aircraft missile systems-- thus making most military options for insisting they do not go nuke far more dangerous and expensive
*Per the Obama-Kerry deal, in about 5 years Iran can get ICBMs on the international market.  Contemplate this-- Iran sets them up in Cuba
*Iranian troops under a Russian umbrella on the Golan Heights.  Is it a coincidence that Abbas has just renounced the Oslo Accords?
*Hezbollah also being under the Russian Umbrella
*Will Jordan fall due to the chaos being unleased?  What implications for Israel if it does? 
*Indeed, speaking of Israel, at what point does it feel cornered into nuclear options?
*the nuclear arms race that is just beginning e.g. Saudi Arabia is already in talks with Pakistan
*Kazakstan a plausible future target for Putin.  Already he has said it is "not a real country"
*intimidation of NATO has already begun http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKKCN0S00TB20151006  What implications for how Putin moves next with our NATO allies Lithuania et al?  What implications for Ukraine?
*What implications for China in the South China Sea?  Will they not be encouraged to militaristic intervention there (where 30-40% of the world's trade sails?) as they face serious internal economic contradictions?


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Russia is repeating Cold War Mistakes in Syria
« Reply #690 on: October 09, 2015, 08:02:08 AM »

Russia Is Repeating Cold War Mistakes in Syria

In 1957, the Soviet Union’s ally Egypt intervened in Syria’s messy politics. It didn’t go well. Why does Putin think this time will be different?
By David W. Lesch October 6, 2015

In 1989, I visited Latakia for the first time. I was a poor graduate student conducting research for my dissertation on U.S.-Syrian relations in the 1950s, and I’d gone to the cosmopolitan coastal city while on my way to Turkey. I stayed in a rather cheap hotel adjacent to the port, right next to a docked Soviet cruiser. One evening I did shots of vodka late into the night with some Soviet sailors at a seaside restaurant.

The next morning, my slumber was disturbed when the window in my hotel room shattered. The cause was a series of loud blasts just outside. They turned out to be explosions on the cruiser. An accident? An Israeli attack? A U.S. strike? It lasted only a few short minutes — and no one could tell me what it was. A couple days later, when I had crossed into Turkey, I found out that two Syrian helicopter gunships had attacked the cruiser, killing two Soviet sailors. But this was puzzling; the Soviet Union was Syria’s long-time superpower patron. Was it simply two crazed or incredibly incompetent Syrian pilots? Or was it a not-so-subtle message from Hafez al-Assad to Mikhail Gorbachev that Damascus did not like the direction of Syrian-Soviet relations at the time — specifically that Moscow had warmed to the West and was pressuring Damascus to make strategic peace with Israel?

To this day, no one knows the truth behind what happened. But whatever the reason, that incident, now largely forgotten, revealed in dramatic fashion the complexity of the relationship between Syria and Russia over the decades. The Russians needed Syria as an area of ingress into the heartland of the Middle East during the Cold War, while the Syrians needed Russian arms and political support to counter Israel and other U.S. allies in the region. It was a strategic patron-client state relationship that saw plenty of ups and downs. And there’s some history that’s worth remembering these days.

Russians are back in and around Latakia: They have sent to a base just outside the city some 30 fighter jets, surface-to-air anti-aircraft systems to protect them, surveillance drones, transport and attack helicopters, T-90 tanks — and troops. This is more than symbolic. Indeed, Russian fighter jets have already carried out bombing runs just north of Homs, reportedly against Syrian opposition groups who made significant gains in recent months against Syrian government forces. Vladimir Putin is making an emphatic statement to those countries who have been supporting various Syrian opposition groups that Russia is not going to let the Syrian regime collapse, so if any of these countries want to continue backing these groups, they had better up the ante and be prepared to be in it for the long haul. If not, they should do what they should have done all along, shift their efforts to ending the war by backing the Syrian government’s fight against terrorists (broadly defined by Russia as anyone fighting the Syrian regime). Moscow can then preserve its strategic interests in Syria as well as secure a central role for itself in any sort of negotiated settlement to the conflict that may ensue.

And it’s not the first time an outside power has played this strategy via Latakia. This history should give Moscow pause: In 1957, Latakia was the point of entry for about 2,000 Egyptian troops, ostensibly to protect Syria from a potential Turkish invasion. In many ways, it was the climax of a tumultuous period in post-independence Syria brought on by both Syria’s own immature political institutions as well as the interference in Syrian affairs by an array of regional and international powers looking to sway Damascus in one direction or another in the midst of two overlapping cold wars, one between Arab states, the other between global superpowers. Through bribery, propaganda, political pressure, and covert (and sometimes overt) military action, these external players attempted to manipulate a fractured Syrian polity for the sake of strategic self-interest.

The culmination of this struggle for Syria occurred during and immediately after the 1957 American-Syrian crisis. In August of that year, Syrian intelligence uncovered a covert U.S. plot to overthrow a government in Damascus that the Eisenhower administration believed was perilously close to becoming a Soviet client-state in the heart of the Middle East. This episode brought together (and out in the open) the matrix of domestic, regional, and international forces at work in Syria during the previous decade: domestic political rivalries; the growth of Arab nationalism led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser; the struggle for Syria between Iraq, Egypt, and the Saudis; the intensifying U.S.-Soviet Cold War; and an increasingly nervous Israel. The crisis improved the positioning in Syria of Washington’s putative foes in the Middle East at the time, Egypt and the Soviet Union, as the two countries inserted themselves in the Syrian mix more aggressively.

During this crisis, both Egypt and the Soviet Union claimed they were trying to “save” Syria from the pernicious activities of the West. But as events unfolded, it became clear that their objectives diverged. Egypt’s Nasser had worked long and hard to keep Syria from joining pro-West defense schemes in the region (such as the Baghdad Pact), thus preventing his country’s isolation at the hands of his regional rival at the time, Iraq. He wasn’t about to lose the assets he had cultivated in Syria to another country — even the Soviet Union, with which he had had a strategic but uneasy partnership.

In the end, Egypt “won” Syria by taking direct action while the other stakeholders engaged in diplomatic one-upmanship. Nasser’s hold on Syria was so strong that four months later, Damascus willingly came under his leadership to form a united country: the United Arab Republic (UAR). Certainly Moscow had improved its position in Syria, but Nasser’s Egypt had many more entry points into the country that gave it a distinct advantage over a relatively distant superpower. Although important to Moscow, Syria’s orientation was practically an existential issue for Cairo; its ability to intervene in Syrian affairs was matched by its motivation.

As I’ve watched the news out of Syria over the last couple of weeks, I can almost envision some old Arabist hand in Moscow (there are more than a few left) reminding Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov of the Egyptian “landing” 58 years ago. The number of Egyptian troops was woefully inadequate for the job of protecting Syria from an invasion by Turkish troops that had massed on the border. Nasser understood, though, that Soviet warnings against Turkey had already deterred the Turks. In any event, the landing was more of a political statement to beef up Egypt’s assets in Syria, secure its dominant position in the country, and outflank the Soviets and their allies in the Syrian Communist Party. Nasser had matched words with deeds.

That old Russian Arabist would have told Lavrov or Putin: “We should have done back then what Nasser did. Let’s not make the same mistake twice.” (At least that’s how I imagine it.) Seize the initiative, insert forces on the ground in Syria, beef up the Assad regime, and secure Russian strategic interests in the Middle East.

Be careful what you wish for, Russian Arabist. Nasser learned the hard way that an ownership stake in Syria can be a disaster. After he “saved” Syria, Nasser shackled his country to the Syrian matrix, which compelled him to reluctantly agree to the UAR — a union that quickly failed, taking the luster off Nasser’s glow and deepening divisions in the Arab world. In hindsight, it may have been the beginning of the end of Nasserism, the immensely popular pan-Arabist movement that gained center stage following Egypt’s survival against the British-French-Israeli tripartite invasion in the 1956 Suez Crisis, which also transformed Nasser into a regional hero. The problems Egypt experienced in Syria before and after the breakup of the UAR ultimately led to the disastrous 1967 Six-Day War.

After the 1957 debacle in Syria, the United States could do little but watch events unfold, acquiescing to the realities of the situation and the limits of U.S. power. Indeed, following the Iraqi revolution in July 1958 that swept aside the pro-Western monarchy, the three most important Arab countries (Egypt, Syria, and Iraq) appeared to be aligned with Moscow. But in Washington, one could almost sense a sigh of relief. The Eisenhower administration had waded into the minefield of Middle East politics and got burned. Even as they faced criticism at home for appearing to allow Soviet influence in the Middle East to expand, Eisenhower administration officials seemed only too happy to let the Soviets try to dig out of the hole they had created for themselves. It’s almost as if they dared the Kremlin to maintain productive relations with three Arab countries increasingly in competition with one another in the so-called Arab Cold War.

Perhaps Putin’s intervention in Syria will result in something akin to Egypt’s Pyrrhic victory in 1957 or to the Soviet Union’s sudden expansion of influence in the late 1950s that was accompanied by an exponential increase in foreign-policy headaches. Fifty years from now, historians may identify Russia’s 2015 push in Syria as the beginning of the end of Putinism, just as the 1957 landing was the beginning of the end of Nasserism.

Some see the Obama administration’s reluctance to be more assertive in Syria as a strategic necessity born out of war weariness and a lack of attractive options. Others see it as part of an overall strategic retreat from the region, creating a political vacuum that has allowed a host of mischievous stakeholders into the arena, which could potentially lead to an even greater catastrophe than the one that already exists. With the Russia-Syria relationship nearing age 60, it remains as complex as ever. One wonders if there might be another poor graduate student somewhere down the line who will watch yet another mind-bending incident that shows just how combustible it can be.

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Condaleeza Rice, Robert Gates, How to Counter Putin in Syria
« Reply #691 on: October 09, 2015, 08:07:30 AM »
How America can counter Putin’s moves in Syria

By Condoleezza Rice and Robert M. Gates October 8 at 9:08 PM
Condoleezza Rice was secretary of state from 2005 to 2009. Robert M. Gates was defense secretary from 2006 to 2011.

One can hear the disbelief in capitals from Washington to London to Berlin to Ankara and beyond. How can Vladimir Putin, with a sinking economy and a second-rate military, continually dictate the course of geopolitical events? Whether it’s in Ukraine or Syria, the Russian president seems always to have the upper hand.

Sometimes the reaction is derision: This is a sign of weakness. Or smugness: He will regret the decision to intervene. Russia cannot possibly succeed. Or alarm: This will make an already bad situation worse. And, finally, resignation: Perhaps the Russians can be brought along to help stabilize the situation, and we could use help fighting the Islamic State.

The fact is that Putin is playing a weak hand extraordinarily well because he knows exactly what he wants to do. He is not stabilizing the situation according to our definition of stability. He is defending Russia’s interests by keeping Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power. This is not about the Islamic State. Any insurgent group that opposes Russian interests is a terrorist organization to Moscow. We saw this behavior in Ukraine, and now we’re seeing it even more aggressively — with bombing runs and cruise missile strikes — in Syria.

Putin is not a sentimental man, and if Assad becomes a liability, Putin will gladly move on to a substitute acceptable to Moscow. But for now, the Russians believe that they (and the Iranians) can save Assad. President Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry say that there is no military solution to the Syrian crisis. That is true, but Moscow understands that diplomacy follows the facts on the ground, not the other way around. Russia and Iran are creating favorable facts. Once this military intervention has run its course, expect a peace proposal from Moscow that reflects its interests, including securing the Russian military base at Tartus.

We should not forget that Moscow’s definition of success is not the same as ours. The Russians have shown a willingness to accept and even encourage the creation of so-called failed states and frozen conflicts from Georgia to Moldova to Ukraine. Why should Syria be any different? If Moscow’s “people” can govern only a part of the state but make it impossible for anyone else to govern the rest of it — so be it.


And the well-being of the population is not the issue either. The Russian definition of success contains no element of concern for the dismal situation of the Syrian people. Refugees — that’s Europe’s problem. Greater sectarianism — well, it’s the Middle East! Populations attacked with barrel bombs and Assad’s chemicals, supposedly banned in the deal that Moscow itself negotiated — too bad!

Putin’s move into Syria is old-fashioned great-power politics. (Yes, people do that in the 21st century.) There is a domestic benefit to him, but he is not externalizing his problems at home. Russian domestic and international policies have always been inextricably linked. Russia feels strong at home when it is strong abroad — this is Putin’s plea to his propagandized population — and the Russian people buy it, at least for now. Russia is a great power and derives its self-worth from that. What else is there? When is the last time you bought a Russian product that wasn’t petroleum? Moscow matters again in international politics, and Russian armed forces are on the move.

Let us also realize that hectoring Putin about the bad choice he has made sounds weak. The last time the Russians regretted a foreign adventure was Afghanistan. But that didn’t happen until Ronald Reagan armed the Afghan mujahideen with Stinger missiles that started blowing Russian warplanes and helicopters out of the sky. Only then did an exhausted Soviet Union led by Mikhail Gorbachev, anxious to make accommodation with the West, decide that the Afghan adventure wasn’t worth it.

So what can we do?

First, we must reject the argument that Putin is simply reacting to world disorder. Putin, this argument would suggest, is just trying to hold together the Middle East state system in response to the chaos engendered by U.S. overreach in Iraq, Libya and beyond.

Putin is indeed reacting to circumstances in the Middle East. He sees a vacuum created by our hesitancy to fully engage in places such as Libya and to stay the course in Iraq. But Putin as the defender of international stability? Don’t go there.


Second, we have to create our own facts on the ground. No-fly zones and safe harbors for populations are not “half-baked” ideas. They worked before (protecting the Kurds for 12 years under Saddam Hussein’s reign of terror) and warrant serious consideration. We will continue to have refugees until people are safe. Moreover, providing robust support for Kurdish forces, Sunni tribes and what’s left of the Iraqi special forces is not “mumbo-jumbo.” It might just salvage our current, failing strategy. A serious commitment to these steps would also solidify our relationship with Turkey, which is reeling from the implications of Moscow’s intervention. In short, we must create a better military balance of power on the ground if we are to seek a political solution acceptable to us and to our allies.

Third, we must “de-conflict” our military activities with those of the Russians. This is distasteful, and we should never have gotten to a place where the Russians are warning us to stay out of their way. But we must do all that we can to prevent an incident between us. Presumably, even Putin shares this concern.

Finally, we need to see Putin for who he is. Stop saying that we want to better understand Russian motives. The Russians know their objective very well: Secure their interests in the Middle East by any means necessary. What’s not clear about that?

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Who is bombing whom?
« Reply #695 on: October 09, 2015, 04:29:38 PM »

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Who is supplying whom?
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