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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1900 on: October 02, 2018, 04:59:43 AM »
hhttps://www.ktnv.com/news/national/a-ban-on-bump-stocks-is-coming-president-trump-says

Trump brought a ban on bump stocks to the news again 1 year after the Las Vegas shooting.

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"In order to eliminate -- terminate -- bump stocks, we have to go through procedure. We are now at the final stages of that procedure," [Trump] said.

"We are knocking out bump stocks. I have told the (National Rifle Association) -- bump stocks are gone. But to do that, you have to go to public hearings, which we have had. You have to go through all sorts of regulatory control systems."

Trump added that the process should be wrapped up in "two or three weeks."

I pointed out in detail earlier the severe problem here.  The rule which ATF has proposed to meet Trump's demand to "line out" bump stocks, names bump stocks as a banned item, but the definition they propose doesn't represent the devices people own.  The ruling defines bump stocks as device that continuously fires without additional conscious manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.  But bump stocks only continue to fire if the shooter consciously manipulates the trigger by pushing it forward onto their resting finger.  Without this conscious manipulation, you get one bang and that's it.  Clearly not a machine gun even with the proposed new ruling.

The proposed rule rewrites the definition of machine gun, as written by, voted on, and passed by congress to satisfy a policy decision of the current administration.  In doing so it even fails to properly cover the devices it seeks to prohibit.  Ultimately opens the door to largest uncompensated, non-grandfathered, no registration ban of firearms or firearms accessories in US history. 

The worst part is few people understand what's happening, and many people if not in favor of it, are complacent, engaged, or resigned to a future in the US where separation of powers, and clearly defined law are irrelevant.

For reference, the new rule:
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...the Department proposes to clarify that the definition of a "machinegun" includes a device that allows semiautomatic firearms to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter (commonly known as bump-stock-type devices)

Linked here is a gif demonstrating that continuous fire does not occur automatically, it harnesses no recoil energy, additional physical manipulation is required to resent the trigger and initiate the next shot.  Not a machine gun even by ATF's new rule.  But they'll be expected to enforce against the items people own as if they were banned.
https://i.imgur.com/upm3SiP.gif

Edited to add pertinent video about why ATF ruled bump stocks as non machineguns before pressure from the executive:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kryIJIrD5eQ

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The Washington State initiative
« Reply #1904 on: October 27, 2018, 03:18:39 PM »
 Vote no on I-1639: Don’t criminalize self-defense
Originally published October 22, 2018 at 3:16 pm Updated October 22, 2018 at 3:27 pm

I-1639 mandates blatant age discrimination, requires additional costly firearm registration, increased waiting periods, costly mandatory government training, draconian firearm storage requirements and an unfair purchase tax.
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By Alan Gottlieb
Special to The Times

The Washington State Sheriffs Association, Washington Council of Police & Sheriffs, Washington State Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors Association and the Washington State Patrol Troopers Association are all opposed to Initiative 1639.

Don’t underestimate the importance of having all these law-enforcement groups that serve and protect actively working against this initiative disguised as “gun safety.” It won’t make schools or communities safer, but it will treat more than a million gun owners like criminals.

Law-enforcement professionals recognize the extreme nature of I-1639. Not only does the initiative discriminate against gun owners, it classifies common recreational firearms as semiautomatic assault rifles and requires gun buyers to surrender their medical privacy in order to exercise a constitutionally-protected right.
Pro-Con package on Initiative 1639, gun measures

Pro 1639: Vote yes on I-1639: Help keep our schools and communities safer

I-1639 is not about so-called “assault weapons.” I-1639 targets all semi-automatic rifles, including commonly owned rifles used for self-defense, home protection, hunting and target shooting.


I-1639 places Washingtonians at risk by restricting access to firearms for lawful self-defense while doing nothing to increase security in schools or target violent criminals.

The strict mandated requirement of this initiative will force individuals to lock up their firearms and render them useless in a self-defense situation, or face criminal prosecution.

It goes even further to state that if an offender does break into your house, and they steal your unsecured firearm, you may be held liable for the criminal’s actions, victimizing you twice — once by the criminal and again by the state.

This initiative would also prohibit all of Washington’s law-abiding adults aged 18 to 20 from exercising their constitutional right to self-defense. Current law already restricts them from purchasing handguns, and Initiative 1639 would restrict them from rifles as well, even though rifles are very rarely used to commit crimes.

In fact, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2017, Washington state recorded only a single confirmed homicide involving a rifle.

Nationally, rifles of any kind are involved in 2 to 3 percent of all murders, and Washington state experiences fewer homicides than single cities like Chicago, Baltimore or Washington, D.C., which have harsher restrictions on the constitutional and civil rights of individuals to keep and bear arms.

Washington’s law-abiding adults aged 18-20 are legally responsible enough to vote, get married, purchase a home, sign a contract and serve in our military. Yet I-1639’s proponents want you to believe these same adults cannot be trusted to defend themselves or their families and are attempting to use the crimes of a few as a justification to curtail the rights of many.

Washington deserves real solutions to keep our communities safe, solutions that will rightly target criminals, not you, your family and your law-abiding neighbors.
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This extreme initiative mandates blatant age discrimination, requires additional costly firearm registration, increased waiting periods, costly mandatory training, draconian firearm storage requirements, unfair purchase tax, and more — none of which will stop criminals or protect our Washington schools.

This initiative is being bankrolled by a handful of out-of-state and wealthy Seattleites who are only concerned with pushing a failed California-style gun control agenda instead of real solutions that will keep all of Washington’s schools and communities safe.

Please vote no to reject this false security that only restricts your, your family’s, and friends’ and neighbors’ right to self-defense.
Alan Gottlieb is the founder of the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation and chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

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American College of Physicians on firearms
« Reply #1905 on: October 30, 2018, 04:21:53 AM »

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Re: American College of Physicians on firearms
« Reply #1906 on: October 30, 2018, 04:27:45 AM »
I don't know why they just HAVE to comment and make position statements on firearms:

https://acpinternist.org/weekly/archives/2018/10/30/1.htm?utm_campaign=FY18-19_NEWS_INTERNIST_DOMESTIC_103018_EML&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

As the left infiltrates and rots institutions from within, the institutions are used to push the left's agenda in any way possible. Remember, gun control is all about CONTROL of the serfs.


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Just a reminder
« Reply #1908 on: November 13, 2018, 02:10:31 PM »


Learn to drive a rifle, or accept a ride in the boxcar the left has planned for you.



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How the Nazis Used Gun Control
« Reply #1911 on: November 14, 2018, 01:13:41 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/

How the Nazis Used Gun Control
By STEPHEN P. HALBROOK
December 2, 2013 9:00 AM
 
The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.
The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

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As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 
STEPHEN P. HALBROOK   — Stephen P. Halbrook is a senior fellow at the Independent Institute, in Oakland, Calif., and the author of The Founders’ Second Amendment: Origins of the Right to Bear Arms, Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State,” and the forthcoming Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance.

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1914 on: November 18, 2018, 05:52:59 PM »
second post-- from a well regarded friend:
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http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/de-facto-gun-registration-exists-in-the-united-states/


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From the Giffords gun control site:

Laws regulating the purchase and possession of ammunition help limit access by dangerous individuals. Law enforcement agencies in Sacramento and Los Angeles, California, for example, successfully used local ammunition recordkeeping ordinances to identify and prosecute criminals by comparing records of ammunition sales against records from California’s database identifying convicted felons and other prohibited people.

Between January 16 and December 31, 2008, the Sacramento ordinance led to the identification of 156 prohibited persons who had purchased ammunition (124 of whom had prior felony convictions), 48 search warrants, and 26 additional probation or parole searches. In addition, the ordinance led to 109 felony charges, 10 federal court indictments, 37 felony convictions, and 17 misdemeanor convictions. The law allowed law enforcement to seize a total of 84 firearms, including seven assault weapons, and thousands of rounds of ammunition.6

Similarly, the Los Angeles ordinance led to 30 investigations, 15 search warrants, nine arrests, and the confiscation of 24 handguns, 12 shotguns, and nine rifles that were illegally possessed between 2004 and the first half of 2006. It also resulted in 39 investigations in 2007, and at least 24 investigations in 2008. Id. at 10-11. A two-month study of Los Angeles’ ordinance found that prohibited purchasers accounted for nearly 3% of all ammunition purchasers over this period, acquiring roughly 10,000 rounds of ammunition. The study noted that a background check at the time of the transaction would have largely eliminated sales at retail outlets to these individuals.7 For further details, see the description of Sacramento’s ordinance below.

How were these investigations initiated?




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women asked by snowflakes to leave apartment
« Reply #1918 on: December 01, 2018, 09:12:57 AM »
for legal ownership of guns.  My response is if they don't like they should leave:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/01/harvard-grad-student-evicted-over-legally-owned-and-stored-firearms/

How is Harvard pronounced in Cambridge?  HAVAD?



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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1921 on: December 10, 2018, 09:38:40 PM »
Forgive the nitpick, but if I have it right the ex post facto of the article is not sound.  There is no punishment sought for possession prior to the new law, only after.

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Re: Medical Marijuana and Gun Rights
« Reply #1922 on: December 11, 2018, 06:32:09 AM »
http://fortune.com/2016/09/01/medical-marijuana-gun/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-share-article&utm_content=20181208&fbclid=IwAR1PL32GXoS0fwaDqjG-qXcHyIEjRbqs9UTtJVyZMlSI1F6Ro9sn5ylwXa0

Wow, this was bound to happen.  Put yourself on a government list, medical marijuana or CCW or both, and bad things happen.

In Colo, personal use is a (state) constitutional right, not just a law.  If you exercise your state constitutional right you lose a federal constitutional right?

Reminds med of the "constitutional right" (abortion) that one President (Wm Jefferson Clinton) wanted to be "safe, legal and rare".
http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/safe-legal-and-rare-the-democrats-evolving-stance-on-abortion/

The Left wants your gun right to be rare, or none.


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Top 10 Reasons You Should Own An AR-15 and become skilled in its use
« Reply #1924 on: December 14, 2018, 08:53:26 AM »
http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/12/top-10-reasons-ar-15/?utm_campaign=ACTENGAGE&fbclid=IwAR3lABgsyLi7oNSJ5iFlIxm1QYcZjjTsQke5BVkbCzmfmemP5uM4DS8246k

Some good points made here, civic duty, most useful firearm, easy to maintain, hunting, markmanship, defense, help to make them "in common use".  Be prepared to fight off tyranny as envisioned by the Founders.

A nation fully prepared to fight off tyranny won't need to do it.


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Re: Top 10 Reasons You Should Own An AR-15 and become skilled in its use
« Reply #1925 on: December 14, 2018, 09:44:24 AM »
http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/12/top-10-reasons-ar-15/?utm_campaign=ACTENGAGE&fbclid=IwAR3lABgsyLi7oNSJ5iFlIxm1QYcZjjTsQke5BVkbCzmfmemP5uM4DS8246k

Some good points made here, civic duty, most useful firearm, easy to maintain, hunting, markmanship, defense, help to make them "in common use".  Be prepared to fight off tyranny as envisioned by the Founders.

A nation fully prepared to fight off tyranny won't need to do it.



They are also incredibly inexpensive right now. Fun to shoot as well.

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1926 on: December 14, 2018, 12:44:10 PM »
Great article Doug.  I will be spreading that one around.

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Medical students successfully transformed into liberal social justice warriors
« Reply #1927 on: December 15, 2018, 08:05:47 AM »
Magazine that gets sent to me  for free as it is one of my alma maters :

http://rwjms.rutgers.edu/news_publications/publications/RURWJMedicineF18_Animated/index.html

GW University mag where I also got a degree is even more clogged with progressive ideology.







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We the Well-armed People, South Dakota permitless carry
« Reply #1932 on: February 01, 2019, 06:26:49 AM »
https://freebeacon.com/issues/south-dakota-becomes-latest-permitless-gun-carry-state/

SD is the 38th most liberal state that the Left needs to repeal the 2nd amendment, the electoral college, etc.  They will not be turning far Left anytime soon.

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Re: Oregon: Supra-majority Dems on a rampage writing bills
« Reply #1935 on: February 05, 2019, 07:15:53 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=AoFxSBbiVJM

e.g. 5 round mags

The coastal lefties can pass whatever they want. Enforcing such laws in the eastern part of the state is going to be quite difficult and dangerous.

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1936 on: February 05, 2019, 07:38:17 AM »
Practicing without ammo is going to be a real trick.  Use of any gun with more than 5 shot capacity would set one up for felony charges.

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #1937 on: February 05, 2019, 08:31:00 AM »
Practicing without ammo is going to be a real trick.  Use of any gun with more than 5 shot capacity would set one up for felony charges.

Who is going to make the arrest? Who is going to prosecute? Outside of the blue hive areas, you won't see much enforcement, if any.












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Colorado 2nd Amendment sanctuary counties
« Reply #1949 on: March 10, 2019, 05:36:09 PM »