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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #301 on: May 30, 2016, 10:24:18 PM »
Reagan's speech supporting Ford in '76 had that effect.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #303 on: June 22, 2016, 12:45:03 PM »
For me this is great news.

We need him!   :-D

Doug,
you in?  8-)

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #304 on: June 22, 2016, 01:35:59 PM »
[quote  sauthor=ccp link=topic=2390.msg96903#msg96903 date=1466624703]
For me this is great news.

We need him!   :-D

Doug,
you in?  8-)
[/quote]

It's good news for America, and yes, I could change my legal residence to Florida by November.

 This is not a sure win for Rubio, but if he is going to lose another statewide race in Florida it might as well be now.


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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #306 on: June 22, 2016, 03:38:05 PM »
This is VERY good news!


This man is a good American with tremendous political skills-- eloquent, good looking, young, a serious student of things international-- we need more like him.

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Rubio gesture is nobel but.....
« Reply #309 on: October 20, 2016, 05:24:09 AM »
I disagree with Senator Rubio here.

# 1)   Most of the media is no longer a watchdog of government.  As we all know the vast majority of the media is a shill for the LEFT.  The only way we have to ensure some integrity is to know what is going on behind the scenes.

#2)   Wiki leaks is good hard evidence that what we conservatives have long suspected the Dems are doing , illegally , behind the scenes is actually happening.  We finally have evidence that supports our suspicions and rebuts their endless denials and outright lies.

# 3)  To ignore this information is the same mistake Republicans make ad nauseam ; that is try to take a  high road only to get buried by the liberals  and lose the war.

# 4)  Does Marco think that the LEFT would not use such information against the Repubs if the situation was reversed?  Of course they would .  It would be on the front pages of every liberal media outlet all day and every day.

#5) could the next time be "us".  Absolutely.  Will it happen" absolutely.  So now is the time to set guidelines on how to avoid problems later.  Don't say anything incriminating on emails.  Assume it is potential public information.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #310 on: October 20, 2016, 10:54:50 AM »
Not noble (or "nobel" sic  :lol: )  but naive.

"To ignore this information is the same mistake Republicans make ad nauseam ; that is try to take a  high road only to get buried by the liberals  and lose the war."

Yes.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #311 on: October 20, 2016, 12:11:29 PM »
Rubio makes a good point IMHO to note the danger of accepting leaks, breaches and ill-gotten material.  That said, as others pointed out, we play on their playing field and cannot accept two sets of rules.  When the leaks expose Republicans, the adversaries aren't going to look the other way.  Good grief.

Trump should have turned this into example and proof that HER choice of unsecured communications was reckless and dangerous.  Emails of valuable targets get hacked.

It is also an interesting to the deletion of 33,000 wedding planning emails.  We will eventually know. 



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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #314 on: December 04, 2017, 02:52:48 PM »
40 minutes with Marco Rubio on the whole realm of today's issues:

https://www.politico.com/video/2017/11/29/full-video-of-playbook-interview-sen-marco-rubio-064454

I don't agree 100% with him on everything but he probably makes more sense than anyone else in elected position that you're hearing right now.

Cuba, North Korea, taxes, blue collar workers, families, the wall, working with Trump, running for higher office, etc.

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WSJ: Senator Marco Rubio's Tax Lament
« Reply #315 on: January 03, 2018, 06:13:59 AM »
Rubio’s Tax Lament
The Florida Senator shows he doesn’t know how economies grow.
By The Editorial Board
Jan. 2, 2018 7:34 p.m. ET
123 COMMENTS

Republicans have had a tough time selling tax reform to the public, and no wonder: Some GOP Members appear not to understand the economics behind it. Meet Senator Marco Rubio, who voted for the bill but now says it helped businesses too much.

“If I were king for a day, this tax bill would have looked different,” he told Florida’s News-Press, adding the bill “probably went too far” in helping corporations. “By and large, you’re going to see a lot of these multinationals buy back shares to drive up the price. Some of them will be forced, because they’re sitting on historic levels of cash, to pay out dividends to shareholders. That isn’t going to create dramatic economic growth.” He then noted his support for the doubled child tax credit.

Cable news picked up these comments as proof that the left was right all along that the bill is for the wealthy. This is politically regrettable and will make it harder for Republicans to persuade Americans that the law is good policy. Does Mr. Rubio want his party to lose the House and Senate?

But the more important point is what the comments betray about Mr. Rubio’s lack of economic understanding. Corporations don’t ultimately pay income taxes. They collect them, and their incidence is imposed on workers, shareholders and customers. A tax-rate cut on corporations means a wage increase for workers.

Mr. Rubio also whiffs with his zero-sum implication that any benefit to shareholders comes at the expense of growth. Economist John Cochrane in a blog post last month knocked down the “buyback fallacy.” Even if companies send money back to shareholders, investors will find other uses for it.

“In the end, investment in the whole economy has nothing to do with the financial decisions of individual companies,” Mr. Cochrane writes. “Investment will increase if the marginal, after-tax, return to investment increases.” This is the point of lowering the corporate rate—to change incentives.

The irony is that Mr. Rubio criticizes the corporate cut on grounds that it won’t produce much economic growth. Yet he takes a victory lap on the expanded child credit he demanded as the price of his vote. This special break for some families has no discernible growth effect. That’s because the child credit does not—say it again—change the incentive to work or invest.

Mr. Rubio also misjudges the economic moment. With the expansion already into its eighth year, and labor markets tight, the economy needs a boost in capital investment to sustain its momentum. This would help workers in particular as businesses scramble to find skilled, reliable employees when the jobless rate is low. Mr. Rubio apparently thinks that workers are better off if politicians hand out checks, whether workers owe income taxes or not, as opposed to having faster growth and business investment bid up wages.

Perhaps Mr. Rubio thinks his refundable tax credits will appeal to President Trump’s working-class voters, and this political opportunism is disappointing. But his failure to grasp basic market economics suggests that GOP primary voters were right to reject him in 2016.

Appeared in the January 3, 2018, print edition.


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Sen. Marco Rubio doesn’t understand how tax cuts work
« Reply #317 on: May 01, 2018, 07:49:34 AM »
Back in the primary days when I was hating Trump and supporting Rubio, I admitted on these pages that Trump had the best tax plan.  Rubio was beat up for being soft (wrong) on illegal immigration, now it turns out Rubio is wrong on taxes, and spending. Please take me off his list.  

Here is a Rubio quote from The Economist that liberals have jumped on to as a kind of (fake) evidence against the tax cuts:

"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they’re going to take the money they’re saving and reinvest it in American workers. . . . In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there’s no evidence whatsoever that the money’s been massively poured back into the American worker."

For one thing, the tax cuts have been in place for about a minute and the growth rate has already started to increase. We didn't support corporate tax reform to make corporations "happy" or to hope they would, out of the goodness of their heart, give tax savings directly back to workers.  That isn't how it works.

We supported corporate tax reform because the old rates were 50-100% higher than our OECD competitors and companies were leaving, moving businesses, operations, investments, and money out of our country at an economically destructive rate.  

After reform, corporations aren't expected to shift from a profit model to a worker benevolence model.  Supply side policies work within the profit seeking model.  No one cares whether they invest the savings in their business or re-invest in other businesses in a free economy and a free society. We simply want aggregate of investments in businesses to grow and increase the growth rate.  Capital employs labor, and businesses, even robotic ones, require workers.

Your wages go up when more employers compete for your services.  It has nothing to do with the generosity of your employer.  Successful companies pay what they need to pay to attract and retain valuable workers.
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Here is Veronique de Rugy at National Review making this point.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/marco-rubio-comments-the-economist-tax-cuts-fiscal-policy/

Marco’s Makeover Shows The Senator Doesn’t Understand Tax Policy
By VERONIQUE DE RUGY
April 30, 2018 10:33 PM
 
In a recent interview with The Economist, entitled “Marco’s makeover” in the U.S. print edition, senator Marco Rubio demonstrated that he doesn’t understand how tax cuts work. Here is one example from the interview:

"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they’re going to take the money they’re saving and reinvest it in American workers. . . . In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there’s no evidence whatsoever that the money’s been massively poured back into the American worker."

Sorry, what? You expect this type of comment from a Democrat, but not from a senator who used to be the darling of the Tea Party moment. And in fact, as an article in Business Insider notes:

Rubio’s argument is nearly identical to that of Democrats: Instead of giving the savings to workers, they say, corporations will reward shareholders through share buybacks and increased dividends.

That’s exactly the wrong way to think about the benefits of the tax cut. Indeed, economists usually agree that lowering marginal tax rates on investment (or any other taxes) gives companies incentives to earn more taxable income, thus leading them to invest in other businesses and the expansion of their factories. This additional investment, in turn, raises workers’ productivity, and ultimately leads to higher wages. This process takes time.

In other words, the benefit of the tax cut will manifest itself by incentivizing companies to invest more. On the other hand, the case for the rate cut has little to do with what these companies do with the extra cash in the short term, as Rubio argues. Whether they buy back stocks with their cash or they distribute bonuses to their employees tells you nothing about whether the tax cuts will or will not benefit workers.

I could tell the senator that he needs to get better informed and that he needs to read the work put out by the Tax Foundation or the current CEA chairman Kevin Hassett. But he may see them as having been too influenced by Reaganomics, which he decries in the Economist interview as a dead end.

So here is a suggestion. How about reading a column by University of Michigan economics professor Justin Wolfer about how to assess the impact of the rate cut that just passed? No one can accuse him of being a raging follower of supply-side economics! And yet he writes:

The economic case for corporate tax cuts has almost nothing to do with what corporations do with the extra cash.

He also quotes AEI’s Alan Viard:

As Alan Viard, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute, has written: “The economic case for corporate tax rate reduction is not based on how companies ‘use’ their tax savings. It is based on how companies change their behavior in order to obtain larger tax savings.”

Finally, I can’t help but point out this passage from the Economist article about Rubio’s plan:

The details of Mr Rubio’s new programme are unclear, but he suggests they will involve more interventions such as the increased child tax credit he inserted into the tax reform passed last year, and a provision for paid family leave he is working on now. He mulls the need for more public spending on technological research and for education reform, to prioritise vocational skills. . . .

“Government has an essential role to play in buffering this transition,” he says. “If we basically say everyone is on their own and the market’s going to take care of it, we will rip the country apart, because millions of good hardworking people lack the means to adapt.” Economic liberty, in this retelling, becomes something the government is required to guarantee. It is the freedom to enjoy “the dignity of work”, says Mr Rubio. “There needs to be a conservative movement that addresses these realities.”

The Economist adds:

Most Republican congressmen meanwhile remain entranced by the limited-government shibboleths he has shaken off, as his fight over the tax bill revealed.

Come again? Are we really supposed to believe that Rubio’s vision stands in contrast with those of his colleagues who are advocating for plans to shrink the size of government? Alternatively, are we to believe that Rubio’s vision is to expand the size of a government that does too little for too many? Neither is true. The government spends a massive amount of money and its budget is exploding. We have large entitlement programs and a large array of welfare programs on our books already. The biggest programs are insolvent and many others are duplicative. And sadly, contrary to what The Economist claims, Republicans being in power doesn’t threaten that growth. It actually feeds it.

A generous interpretation is that the senator would like first to make room for the kind of spending he suggests by cutting and reforming existing programs. But I don’t get a sense that this is the case. Adding new government programs on top of the old ones, many of which are responsible for the disincentives to work that hinder the labor market, won’t prepare the U.S. for the future that the Senator describes.

Meanwhile, The Economist seems to think Rubio is a visionary in his own party. But the truth is that if this is truly the future of the party, the GOP will have to compete with the Democrats — who have been in favor of expanding the government long before Rubio was even in politics.
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Marco
« Reply #318 on: May 01, 2018, 08:46:12 AM »
FWIW


Most of the time I like Rubio but he does, now and then, say or do things that put a huge damper on my enthusiasm.

Like Levin said few years ago, Marco did great damage to his own cause amongst Conservative with the "gang of 8 fiasco".
He likewise was a large fan of him till then.


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Re: Marco
« Reply #319 on: May 01, 2018, 09:55:58 AM »
I ask my sister what my nephew and Jindal thought of Rubio a few times .

Her response was both times  they just don't think he is that smart.  

Most of the time I like Rubio but he does, now and then, say or do things that put a huge damper on my enthusiasm.

Like Levin said few years ago, Marco did great damage to his own cause amongst Conservative with the "gang of 8 fiasco".
He likewise was a large fan of him till then.

From my point of view, this makes him part of the 99+% who don't get it, how economic freedom works.  Just a few do, Adam Smith is dead.  Jude Wanniski, dead.  Robert Bartley, dead.  Jack Kemp, dead.  Ronald Reagan, dead.  I had high hope for Rubio for taking what we all sort of know intuitively and putting it into the words that connect and persuade others.  Instead he is reaching backwards to other people who don't get it.

George (W) Bush couldn't explain the benefits of his own tax cuts.  He lost power in his second term and they were eventually repealed.
Reagan understood and he won 44 states in 1980, 49 states in reelection and 40 states for his successor, who didn't get it, reversed course, and then lost.
Bill Clinton doesn't acknowledge the role his capital gains tax rate cuts and welfare reform played in his economic success.
And Barack Obama has no idea what he did wrong.  Clueless.

Marco Rubio has great communication skills and conservative instincts, is often brilliant, but one too many times has left people like me saying, What?!
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Pres. G.W. Bush:  "Ninety-two million Americans will keep an average of $1,083 more of their own money."
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=64714

That is a valid, STATIC economics point, arguing like liberals - how to split up a fixed size pie.

In that speech and to the credit of his speechwriters he goes on to mention the importance of growth 22 times.  But in his communications with the American people, that was most often missing.  He never made the connection.

Supply side economics is NOT about finding better ways to split up a fixed size pie.  That is what socialism purports to do.  Veronique de Rugy has it right; economics is all about the incentives (and disincentives) to invest and produce. 

If we all just pay in less in a stagnant economy, we will go broke.  I thought Rubio was someone who understood that.

Rubio, 2013:
"we should grow our economy so that we create new taxpayers, not new taxes, and so our government can afford to help those who truly cannot help themselves."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/13/marco-rubio-response-state-union

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #320 on: May 01, 2018, 10:39:08 AM »
Well said.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #321 on: May 01, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
Rubio only really knows that he really wants to be president.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #322 on: May 01, 2018, 05:44:02 PM »
Totally lacks life experience outside of politics and within politics IIRC he has only legislative experience, no executive experience.


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Re: Rubio on Rubio
« Reply #324 on: May 02, 2018, 06:49:07 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/build-national-american-conservatism-to-counter-existential-threats/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202018-04-23&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives

He is carving out some kind of a middle path and calling it new conservatism?  He is doing the opposite of what I saw in him when I picked him out as my favorite.  Yes, a politician needs to go into these living rooms and hear the stories of these people, the unemployed New Hampshire factory worker, the Iowa truck driver and so on. But I wanted him to go into those places, meet those people, hear those stories, and then lead, not follow.  We need someone on the conservative side with logic, wisdom, skills and charisma who can connect with them and let them know a better way (than Leftism) for our country and the answer is not Leftism-lite.

He sounds like a Bill Clinton like to me, triangulation and say what they want to hear, not like a Ronald Reagan inspiring us to greatness.

Government doesn't owe the NH guy a job and NAFTA didn't take his job, or whatever this new "nationalism" implies. People since the landing of the Mayflower had to endure hardship, and move or learn a new skill to support their family.  The squeeze on these families is the cost of government, not the shortage of redistribution.  And the cost of government is not fully measured in dollars taken from a paycheck; that is so 1950s or some other time.  They took over our mortgage industry, they took over healthcare, they took over the transportation sector, they took over housing, and energy, and food, and they declared your pond a protected wetland and what plants breathe a pollutant.  To follow all this we should give them more power to do more "smart planning" in and out of the tax code to alleviate the burden of our struggles.  What BS.

Rubio:  "What happens to a nation when the only economic-policy options offered are narrow economic growth without redistribution, or narrow economic growth with redistribution?"

The first is a straw argument against conservatives. There is no one of national political prominence advocating "("narrow"?) economic growth with no redistribution.  (He is the one who switched to the side of narrowing the growth.)  Republicans allegedly lead all chambers and branches of government in Washington and more than 60% of the states and redistribution spending just keeps going up and up and up.  Who is he arguing against?  A straw man?

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Senator Marco Rubio on China's Campaign against Muslim Minorities
« Reply #325 on: August 10, 2018, 09:46:16 AM »
 Chinese police watch as Muslims exit a mosque in Kashgar, China, June 26, 2017. Photo: johannes eisele/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
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By Marco Rubio
Aug. 9, 2018 6:51 p.m. ET

The phrase “re-education camp” invokes Mao’s Cultural Revolution or Vietnam after the communist takeover. But this form of repression is alive and well in Xi Jinping’s China. His government is imposing a “political re-education” campaign in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, targeting the Uyghur Muslim population, Kazakhs and other ethnic Muslim minorities.

Xinjiang today is “a police state to rival North Korea, with a formalized racism on the order of South African apartheid,” wrote one expert. Its residents make up only 1.5% of China’s population—but accounted for 21% of arrests in 2017. This massive increase over the previous year doesn’t include detainees in re-education centers.

China has detained as many as one million people in camps. While Chinese authorities deny that such camps exist, satellite images show the recent construction of massive structures in Xinjiang. Research from China scholar Adrian Zenz details Chinese government procurement and construction bids for new re-education facilities and “upgrades and enlargements” to existing ones.

Security personnel subject camp detainees in Xinjiang to torture, medical neglect, solitary confinement, sleep deprivation and other deadly forms of abuse. They also force detainees to submit to daily brainwashing sessions and hours of exposure to Communist Party propaganda. The prisoners’ overseers require recitation of party slogans before eating.

Outside the camps, Chinese authorities aggressively suppress expressions of religious identity. Xinjiang residents face daily intrusions in their home life, including “home stays” where Communist Party officials live with local families. Chinese authorities prohibit “abnormal” beards and veils in public, as well as some Islamic names. Standard religious practices—abstaining from alcohol, tobacco and pork, or fasting during Ramadan—provoke the authorities’ suspicions.

The government has embraced tools Mao only could have dreamed of: big data, iris and body scanners, voice-pattern analyzers, DNA sequencers (including some sold by an American company) and facial-recognition cameras. Authorities use hand-held devices to search smartphones for encrypted messaging apps and require residents to install monitoring software in their smartphones.

Radio Free Asia leads in reporting on this crisis. In retaliation, Chinese authorities have detained dozens of family members related to Uyghur journalists working for RFA in the U.S. In recent testimony before the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, RFA journalist Gulchehra Hoja lamented, “It’s a cruel irony that we as journalists can find out so much about what’s happening inside China’s Northwest, yet so little about our own families and loved ones. We are afraid to ask our friends and others there, because any contact and communication could endanger them as well.” China also has used Uyghurs living in the country as leverage to gather information about exiled Uyghurs’ activities—or to compel some to return to China.

China largely has avoided consequences for this reprehensible behavior. It no longer should.

The U.S. should apply Global Magnitsky Act sanctions against Xinjiang Communist Party Secretary Chen Quanguo. A Politburo member, he first gained experience with repression in Tibet. His tenure as party chief in Xinjiang has coincided with the proliferation of re-education camps, and he is seen as an innovator in his dark craft.

All government officials and business entities assisting the mass detentions and surveillance in Xinjiang should face sanctions too. The Commerce and State departments should add Chinese state security agencies to a restricted end-user list to ensure that American companies don’t aid Chinese human-rights abuses.

Consistent with the administration’s commitment to “reciprocity” in relations with China, the U.S. should deny visas to executives and administrative staff of Chinese state-run media companies operating on American soil until all family members of RFA journalists are released.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo raised the plight of RFA reporters and their families in July. Vice President Mike Pence has discussed the crisis publicly too. But words must be followed by action. State should work with like-minded governments to increase public pressure against China at the United Nations and other multilateral institutions. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation and many Muslim-majority nations have remained virtually silent, perhaps for fear of upsetting China. If the U.S. takes a bolder stance, other nations shouldn’t be afraid to follow.

Stability in Xinjiang is crucial to Mr. Xi’s Belt and Road Initiative. Public condemnation of China’s human-rights record, including its treatment of religious and ethnic minorities in Xinjiang, would be most unwelcome.

Despite its efforts to project a benevolent image around the globe, the Chinese Communist Party remains repressive, brutal and utterly intolerant. Consider what one official reportedly said about the “political re-education” campaign in Xinjiang: “You can’t uproot all the weeds hidden among the crops in the field one by one—you need to spray chemicals to kill them all.” American leaders must find the political will to confront this evil.

Mr. Rubio, a Republican, is a U.S. senator from Florida.

Appeared in the August 10, 2018, print edition.


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Re: NRO: Senator Marco Rubio's bizzare turn, hyphonated-capitalism
« Reply #327 on: November 15, 2019, 03:09:29 AM »
Reminds me of the high hopes we had for Paul Ryan. I was looking for someone young and charismatic who could explain to a wider audience the greatness of freedom and free markets and how that IS in the common good.  Not tell us how to soften free enterprise, change it, lead us on a left turn snipe hunt for a third way.

The bad behavior of some very large corporations is already illegal and not a part of free enterprise.  We can fire up anti trust enforcement instead of buying into Warren-like change of corporate mission.  Companies buying their own stock is not a problem; it is a symptom.  How about sending the profits back to the owners instead, a revolutionary idea, but that would trigger millions of punitive tax events in our perverted, anti-success tax system.

Maybe Rubio is doing this out of genuine belief and maybe he is positioning to be a leader in a post Trump world.  Good luck with that.  I don't think he can win a Republican nomination that way but maybe this middle ground allows him to hold on to an important Senate seat.

His insistence (tantrum thrown) to get his huge, non-growth deduction into tax reform is one reason revenues aren't growing fast enough right now, making the otherwise great tax reform easier to attack from the Left who advocate even less growth and much deeper deficits. 

This is the Rubio speech to which he refers:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/the-case-for-common-good-capitalism/
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Re: Uh oh Marco , , ,
« Reply #333 on: September 12, 2022, 07:58:56 PM »
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/12/florida-senate-race-suddenly-looks-risky-marco-rub/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=evening&utm_term=evening&utm_content=evening&bt_ee=sF3DSxVAVbHVTgX0Qvf%2FKab0qkMRNEUMFM0%2FHirVlFPzaRWfOWiexicV1xmTxPJ6&bt_ts=1663014340721

MSM Polls, especially early ones, are a mixture of data and propaganda.  "survey for AARP"? Even Fox poll can be part of the left message manipulation.  But the money disadvantage is a problem too, needs to end.

We go through this every cycle with polls. Sometimes their just wrong and sometimes the manipulation works.
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Re: Uh oh Marco , , ,
« Reply #334 on: September 12, 2022, 08:02:00 PM »
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/12/florida-senate-race-suddenly-looks-risky-marco-rub/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=evening&utm_term=evening&utm_content=evening&bt_ee=sF3DSxVAVbHVTgX0Qvf%2FKab0qkMRNEUMFM0%2FHirVlFPzaRWfOWiexicV1xmTxPJ6&bt_ts=1663014340721

MSM Polls, especially early ones, are a mixture of data and propaganda.  "survey for AARP"? Even Fox poll can be part of the left message manipulation.  But the money disadvantage is a problem too, needs to end.

We go through this every cycle. Sometimes they're just wrong and sometimes the manipulation works.
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https://news.yahoo.com/polls-wrong-again-120052002.html
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