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Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities => Politics & Religion => Topic started by: Crafty_Dog on January 22, 2025, 05:03:18 AM

Title: Pardons
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 22, 2025, 05:03:18 AM: HT BBG-- and with Trump's J6 pardons it may be time to open this thread.

Looks like ALL those executive orders (hey, and pardons too?) were machine signed, which this source claims black letter law says renders them void. My guess is that in his decrepit state and given the time pressure to sneak all these in under the wire, whoever opted to auto-sign ‘em, perhaps ‘cause Joe can only handle crayons these days but may eat ‘em, wasn’t a deep thinker where federal law is concerned:

https://x.com/peterboghossian/status/1881458574968472027
Title: This is the accusation being made
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 22, 2025, 05:06:43 AM: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-defies-jd-vance-on-first-day-congressman-says-traitors/ar-AA1xBeI3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=2fafaedcfeae45acb519be696b0ba16f&ei=11
Title: Re: This is the accusation being made
Post by: Body-by-Guinness on January 22, 2025, 11:09:09 AM: Quote from: Crafty_Dog on January 22, 2025, 05:06:43 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-defies-jd-vance-on-first-day-congressman-says-traitors/ar-AA1xBeI3?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=2fafaedcfeae45acb519be696b0ba16f&ei=11

Suuuuurrree, a DC jury that consistently acquits Democrats caught red handed violating this law or that while consistently convicting Republicans for jaywalking & handling out long sentences for it is the very definition of "due process," per MSDNC. They know how absurd the claim is, hence their handwringing can be dismissed as partisan politics, and it's not difficult at all to discern which side of the aisle they stand on while pretending to be impartial.
Title: FO: Trump says autopen pardons are null and void
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2025, 08:02:21 AM: (3) TRUMP SAYS BIDEN PARDONS “NULL AND VOID”: In a social media post this morning, President Donald Trump said last-minute pardons issued by the Biden administration were void and “of no further force or effect” due to former President Biden’s use of the autopen. Trump added that former members of the House January 6th Select Committee are subject to investigation.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1901612889514873132
Title: Re: FO: Trump says autopen pardons are null and void
Post by: DougMacG on March 17, 2025, 08:42:20 AM: I wouldn't want to be on the other side of that court case arguing that the pardons and the executive orders are valid because an aide signed them with an auto pen.

Impersonating a police officer is a misdemeanor. I wonder what the crime is for impersonating a president?
Title: hx of recent presidential pardons
Post by: ccp on March 17, 2025, 05:55:47 PM: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/biden-presidential-pardons-clemency-record
most of Trumps was Jan 6 people
I don't agree with pardons for all of them though perhaps clemency

Look at Obamas.

and look at Bidens

I doubt presidents knew the details of most of these.

But we know Biden didn't know probably even a tiny fraction except for his son, and whose birthdate he cannot remember, and the rest of his "on the take" family members.