Fire Hydrant of Freedom
Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities => Politics & Religion => Topic started by: ccp on March 12, 2017, 04:50:58 AM
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We are past 50 days into Trump's term. It is certainly time to start talking about 2020 . :roll:
Will the eventual nominee be a dark horse or some known big shot we already know trying to jump into the power vacuum at the top?
Like Boomer Bloomberg, Clinton again (Hillary not Chelsea , another Cuomo , Biden, Sanders, Schumer (Charlie not Amy)
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Andrew-Cuomo-president-2020-fundraisers/2017/03/11/id/778222/
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We are past 50 days into Trump's term. It is certainly time to start talking about 2020 . :roll:
Will the eventual nominee be a dark horse or some known big shot we already know trying to jump into the power vacuum at the top?
Like Boomer Bloomberg, Clinton again (Hillary not Chelsea , another Cuomo , Biden, Sanders, Schumer (Charlie not Amy)
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Andrew-Cuomo-president-2020-fundraisers/2017/03/11/id/778222/
That's an excellent subject.
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America hasn't suffered enough!
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America hasn't suffered enough!
I think there's a strong argument against that GM. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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another stab at a dynasty:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-Biden-New-Hampshire/2017/04/30/id/787261/
It is assured he will run.
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though maybe not '20:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/ohio-family-surprised-when-mark-zuckerberg-comes-to-dinner/
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"So far, the similarities are eerie."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/27/will_2020_be_another_1972_for_democrats_133718.html
"if in 2020 Democrats go hard left as they did in 1972, then they will likely lose just as big."
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/05/01/100-days-of-theresistances-humiliating-failure-n2320453
100 Days of #TheResistance’s Humiliating Failure
Kurt Schlichter Kurt Schlichter |Posted: May 01, 2017 12:01 AM
In the first 100 days since Felonia von Pantsuit was not inaugurated, the goofy collection of commie traitors, coastal snobs, and crack-pot weirdoes that hilariously styles itself “#TheResistance” has only managed to successfully resist success. Oh sure, they and the catamite media tried their darnedest but, as Yoda said, “Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.” And, as Yoda also said, “Chelsea Clinton is best Democrats can do, say you? Kidding me, you are.”
Yeah, after 100 days President Trump has reintroduced the world to Alpha America after eight years of Barack’s fussy betaism, gutted a Schumer-ton of regulations, and broke the Senate Democrats’ spirit by suckering them into a loser play that resulted in Justice Gorsuch today and, I hope, Justice Crazy Conservative Caveman to replace Justice Kennedy this summer. Plus, of course, his two greatest achievements – not being Hillary, and surviving even after being subjected to every slander, lie, and fake news report the gyno-hat left could throw at him.
Really, that #TheResistance could throw at us, because #TheResistance is not really resisting Trump as much as it is resisting us. The elite establishment is outraged that we normals have demanded to govern ourselves rather than begging for scraps from our betters in DC, NY and LA. It wasn’t just that horrible, sick old woman that we rejected; it was them. And by doing so, we “stole” what they see as their birthright to reign sovereign over us. They try to cover up their humiliation with tales of “Russians” and “hacking” because the truth is too painful to face. This election was about the people they sought to rule looking at them and their track record of failure and saying, “Nah, you suck.”
#TheResistance has got nothing. The kook caucus is now slow-walking its insistence that The Donald and Vlad were hanging out in hot tubs playing patty-cake because it became clear that the Obama White House had been spying on the Republicans knowing that they’d never be held to account with President Hillary in office. Oops. That worked out poorly; my advice to Ben Rhodes is, on your first day on the cellblock, take a swing at the biggest guy you can find.
#The Resistance is a mess. Now they’re reduced to fighting for supremacy in their final redoubt, the universities where their fascist intimidation and suppression of speech provides a glimpse of America as it would have been had Trump not been elected. That they are forced into a last-ditch effort to keep power in an institution where their control is total is proof positive of their weakness. And the fact that the only way they have a shot at succeeding is to actively work to silence the voices of non-idiocy is icing on the cake. Their goose-stepping antics on campus are providing America a preview of life under Democrats, and it’s not helping them.
Then there’s the cultural backlash, which is accomplishing … nothing. Polls show readers are less likely to trust the mainstream media than random emails from Nigerian princes. ESPN is dying, in no small part thanks to the campaign to throw tiresome progressive tropes into a network people turn to for some mindless sportsball. No one wants to see the next Keith Olbermann fulminating about “TRUMP’S TREASON!!!!!” between dwarf tosses on The Ocho.
And there is the interchangeable late night crowd whose predictable conformity to the anti-normal agenda has turned Johnny Carson’s former level playing field into a tiresome lefty echo chamber where viral clips of obscure hosts “destroying” Trump provide much needed erotic stimulus to liberal geeks who know not the loving touch of a living human.
The most hilarious part is the super-timely and relevant Handmaid’s Tale miniseries, a festival of imagined oppression porn designed to give frigid liberal women and their neutered male-identifying partners some much-needed bitter jollies. If you’ve never dated a college sophomore who got assigned that stupid book in her feminist lit seminar and now can’t shut up about it, this over-praised dystopian tome imagines a giant Christian conspiracy to create a gay-killing theocracy where women are slaves who are forced to cover their bodies and who are occasionally genitally mutilated. Sure, that scenario sounds familiar (Radical Islam), but I just can’t place it (Radical Islam). Oh, right – it’s totally Donald Trump’s agenda (Radical Islam).
By the way, the not-at-all out-of-touch Democrats responded to Trump’s election by appointing a radical Muslim leftist as second-in-command at the Democratic National Committee. Perhaps that’s part of their outreach program to nail down their support on college campuses, in Manhattan, and among the culturally suicidal. Way to recover Wisconsin, geniuses.
Again, this is the very best #TheResistance can do.
Now, everything is not perfect, but even those issues where Donald Trump has failed to attain his objectives (yet) are not that helpful to #TheResistance. Its “victories” don’t seem very victorious. They got some judge in Hawaii to (temporarily) stop Trump from excluding refugees from various jihadi-infused hellholes, thereby buying the Democrats the next massacre by one of these creeps. They got another judge to (temporarily) allow sanctuary cities to ignore the law, thereby buying the Democrats the next murder by a MS-13 creep. Way to go, Dems. You’re the party of importing Muslim fanatics and illegal alien gangbangers. See you in 2018!
The Democrats have stopped the repeal of Obamacare (temporarily), and have somehow convinced themselves that this will help them. Of course, because they think we’re dumb, they imagine we will forget that it’s called “Obamacare.” It’ll be nice to be rid of it, but not if the replacement is nearly as bad. Here’s the thing – the GOP alone could pass the Obamacare replacement, but it’s being held up by conservatives who want to make it more conservative. Wrap that around your head – for the first time in the history of ever, Republicans are blocking legislation for not being conservative enough. Briar, meet patch.
President Trump has a bunch of nominees pending for key jobs, and rumor has it that Never Trump infiltrators are slow-walking them to purposefully make him look bad. He should stop tolerating it, clean house, and demand his team perform. He could also be appointing judges faster, though rumor has it that a bunch of nominations are coming soon. They will sail through the Senate, and the federal courts will stop being the Democrat’s last gasp defense, all thanks to Harry Reid, who is currently back in Nevada living in a sex dungeon with his NordicTrack/dominatrix.
There’s no indication that the next 100 days, or the 100 days thereafter, will be any better for #TheResistance. It can fume and it can fuss, but slowly and steadily, the normal are winning. As Yoda might have said, “Pathetic you are, for win you do not, despite your media friends and your sex organ sombreros.”
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/07/14/5-indicators-that-mark-zuckerberg-is-considering-a-run-for-president/ :-o :? :roll:
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https://www.youngcons.com/obama-and-advisers-want-ma-gov-deval-patrick-to-run-for-president-in-2020/?ref=FacebookPost
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http://www.theamericanmirror.com/fck-zuck-2020-street-art-appears-facebook-founder-hires-hillary-strategist/
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/entertainment/michelle-obama-beyonce-birthday/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results
vs Rock (Dwayne Johnson)/ Kid Rock
or even more exciting:
William Kristol / George Will :roll:
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Very interesting read, but this is not the thread for it.
Curious what thread do you think, for comments. I'll try 2020 Presidential with mine, but the article did include this: "the cultural division between privileged, government-connected elites and the rest of the country has turned twenty-first century politics in America into a cold civil war between hostile socio-political identities."
Maybe this is just politics as usual, always changing while staying the same and the pendulum swinging.
It seems to me that over the last dozen years:
Establishment Republicans (Bush) failed to be consistent, competent or conservative and the result was a hard left turn.
The Left turned too far to the left and the country rejected that without embracing anything conservative or Republican.
Now Trump and the Republicans flounder with no governing theme, no legislative success and losing support, and the Democrats are not winning them back.
What is left is a political opening a mile wide for a new leader to march through somewhere between the Trump message and sanity and no one seems to know how to capture it or where to go with it.
What we (always) need is better overlap of a great leader, a great message and a great direction.
The only person I see who could unite more than one faction and lead this country in amy positive direction now is VP Mike Pence, and only if DT slipped off the stage without too much fanfare... which I don't see happening.
As we face more and more of the unknown and see a complete inability to govern, what we get is more and more of the status quo. We've had wide swings in the electoral everything and what I see at least in my world is the same high taxes, same over-regulation and same leftist media-education-government complex with mutually assured hatred with the largest group they call the deplorables.
We need a leader who can change minds, in a positive way, not just ride a wave.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/Chris-Matthews-Says-He-Knows-Joe-Biden-Is-Running-for-President-in-2020-Talked-to-His-Family-455016723.html
Nothing in 2020 is for sure in 2017. For one thing that makes him 78 at inauguration and 82 at reelection.
Still, if true, this changes everything. ) It is his turn!
Curious and thinking of the Jeb Bush implosion, when did Joe Biden last run and win a highly contentious campaign?
In 1972, an energetic young Joe Biden beat a far more qualified Republican J. Caleb Boggs by 50% to 49% to win his Senate seat. That is 48 years prior to the 2020 election. There is no reason to think he can't do it again!
Age is a risk factor for Alzheimer's. And at 69, Ronald Reagan was the oldest man to be elected president.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-presidency/story?id=12633225
Biden would be 9 years older than Reagan, but really he has no 'before' yardstick from which to measure mental deterioration.
Trump is no youngster either and his health in the 2020 campaign to the Jan 2025 end of second term is unknown too.
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/23620/poll-biden-would-swamp-trump-if-2020-election-were-hank-berrien?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=111617-news&utm_campaign=position1
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Biden would beat Trump today
Trump has not been able to attract anyone beyond the core 40% ish.
The media DNC Obama/ex Clinton mob academic complex is winning.
Someone sent Rush and email suggesting that maybe Trump is "not the guy". Rush went on break before he was going to respond to it and I had to go to work so I did not hear his thoughts on the topic.
Trump is clearly the guy who has the courage and stamina to fight the libs..... but alas he is NOT the guy IMHO who can go up against the "establishment". His qualities are only part of the package needed. Sadly, beyond him we have no one else.
Isn't it obvious by now? Don't we all know this?
Not looking good for '18 or '20 at this juncture and the tax package not likely to turn this around in my opinion.
Mike Savage is right - bottom line - we are a left of center country now.
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372531.php
We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe
Joe Biden, serial young girl-toucher.
*Let him run.*
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372531.php
We Need to Talk About Uncle Joe
Joe Biden, serial young girl-toucher.
*Let him run.*
Predictions of what other people will do and how other people will vote are not my strength, but Joe Biden loses his 'VP for Obama' pedestal the moment he enters the race and will start taking incoming arrows. Like G M points out, he was caught 'touching' women before powerful men started getting busted for it. That's just old Joe or those were different times doesn't cut it as an excuse. He was doing what Trump was caught talking about. George HW Bush is now feeling the heat. Biden was the worst for that kind of thing. Leftists are turning on Bill Clinton now to clear their own names admitting their own guilt. At some point, women are going to turn against unprofessional, sexist sleazeballs.
His career was lousy. His other campaigns were dreadful. Loose lips don't describe things that come out of his mouth, more like loose brain. He lost his debate to Sarah Palin. People should review that video for the quality and accuracy of his answers. Every time he said let me repeat that, he repeated a falsehood.
His chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary committee was a disaster, Bork, Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas, etc.
What did he do as Vice President? He was a placeholder, someone who made friend and foe not want anything to happen to Obama. He never was the best or most qualified person for that job. Chosen to be harmless, if he just doesn't talk too much. Obama was never tied to Biden gaffes; a President Biden would be. Or take the other tack, he was instrumental in a failed administration. Measure it in GDP, danger in the world or number of Republicans elected while they were in charge.
If you look at what liberals and Democrats think what went wrong with the trump personna and Presidency, ignoramus was a word I just saw used twice by them, how does picking Joe Biden take them to the next level.?
To be fair, he also said or did one or two right in his half century in Washington. He would have split off the Iraqi Kurds along time ago, and from the left coalition point of view he was one step ahead of the curve on gay marriage.
Skipping the Trump years, he is not the logical successor to Obama who was in his 40s when elected President and played the unknown about him as a blank canvas for each voter and group to paint for themselves. He is old and known. Either the body, energy level or mental sharpness (how will we know?) will catch up with him, if not the creepy stuff.
The only Democrat contemplating how great things would be if Biden were President is Biden.
Both parties (and most other countries) need new leaders!
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Agreed re Biden, but Trump is digging a whole for himself and for us in many, many ways. That a putz like Biden could score this well speaks volumes.
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Rush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-zWP2-vxoY
Levin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmQ1Mt4HP0E
Casting Couch regretee blames Oprah:
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/28/actress-harvey-used-oprah-and-naomi-to-seduce-me/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/oprah-presidential-case-marred-by-promotion-dr-oz-jenny-mccarthy-others.html
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Barack Obama is behind Oprah. They wrote her speech. They want power back, (kind of like the Clintons). They hate their legacy being undone.
The above is conjecture and analysis by Bill O'Reilly. Very likely true.
Oprah v. Trump, oh my God.
I thought it would be Michelle, but Oprah would be way easier for them - especially just after the former first lady thing didn't work. The Obama machine is alive and well.
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https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/determined-not-to-die-a-human-transgender-dragon-lady-spent-60k-to-confirm-second-birth/
Checks off many of the boxes for them. Keynote speaker at the convention at least.
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:-o :-o :-o
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Kasich Could Be Trump’s Best Hope
An independent candidacy could split voters who dislike the Democrats but can’t abide the president.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich. Photo: Charles Krupa/Associated Press
By Bobby Jindal
May 16, 2018 7:00 p.m. ET
211 COMMENTS
Donald Trump once joked that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes. That may be true—his approval ratings have inched up recently, tweetstorms and Stormy Daniels notwithstanding.
But can he be re-elected? He’s unlikely to face an opponent as unpopular and uninspiring as Hillary Clinton in 2020. His best hope may be John Kasich. The departing Ohio governor has made noises about challenging Mr. Trump in the primaries, but an independent bid would be better for the president.
A Kasich candidacy would not threaten Mr. Trump’s hold over base voters. While some in the Republican establishment pine for someone to represent the “real” party, GOP voters are generally happy with Mr. Trump. Donors wonder why their millions are spent on winning elections only to pursue social policies they consider distractions at best, whereas millions of primary voters feel their votes are no longer wasted electing politicians who support unfair trade deals and open borders.
Mr. Trump has been assailed for waffling on social issues like abortion and gun control, for an economic policy that embraces runaway spending and rejects free trade, for being too conciliatory toward Russia, and for an entitlement policy that is unsustainable. His defenders cite his successes in appointing conservative judges and cutting corporate taxes.
He benefits, ironically, from the qualities that earn him scorn from the media. As was evidenced during the Republican primary, it is ineffective to attack Mr. Trump from the right while he is vowing to build a border wall and ban Muslim immigration. He is willing to go rhetorically further than even the most antiestablishment politician, leaving no room in 2016 for Ted Cruz or in 2020 for another conservative challenger.
But the base isn’t enough to win, and Mr. Trump so far shows little sign of picking up new supporters. Thus a challenger is not sufficient—Mr. Trump needs a candidate who siphons off not only Republican Never Trumpers, but moderates who might otherwise vote for the Democrat. Fortunately for him, the Democrats are making themselves increasingly unattractive to those moderates.
While the media obsesses over all things Trump, they ignore the Democrats’ infighting. Rep. Dan Lipinski barely survived a well-funded primary challenger despite strong union support in a safe blue district due to progressives’ outrage over his pro-life views. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has angered grass-roots liberals with its heavy-handed attacks on Laura Moser in a Texas primary. Sen. Elizabeth Warren is attacking Democrats for working with Republicans to lighten the regulatory burden imposed by Dodd-Frank.
Democrats are fleeing to increasingly radical policy positions to immunize themselves against attacks from the likes of Ms. Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders. Whereas President Obama refused to include a public option in his signature health bill, potential presidential contenders like Sens. Warren, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris have rushed to cosponsor Mr. Sanders’s single-payer bill, which would take away private health insurance—along with Medicare—from everyone who has it.
Many moderate Democrats who used to support school choice, or at least charter schools, are now silent or reversing their positions. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi attacked the Republican-passed tax cut and mocked the resulting bonuses and salary increases. Billionaire Tom Steyer is spending millions insisting impeachment need not wait for the results of Robert Mueller’s investigation.
Democratic extremism may not be enough for Republicans to hold Congress this November. Republican control of government has accomplished what Mr. Obama failed to do—make ObamaCare popular and increase funding for Democrats’ priorities. The GOP failure to repeal ObamaCare and approval of a bloated omnibus spending bill will dampen conservative voters’ enthusiasm. While the administration bears much blame, House Republicans are likely to pay a price this November.
Yet Democrats’ improving midterm prospects do not necessarily herald success in 2020. In 2006 Mrs. Pelosi became speaker by focusing on George Bush’s low approval ratings and corruption scandals engulfing House Republicans, and by empowering DCCC chairman Rahm Emanuel to recruit viable candidates in swing districts. She contradicted the Washington maxim that you can’t beat something with nothing; there was no Democratic version of the 1994 Contract with America. Mrs. Pelosi did not build a mandate for a national progressive platform, preferring to abide another maxim that you shouldn’t interfere when your opponent is destroying himself.
In 2018 she is trying to repeat history, and it may work—but Democrats in 2020 will have to offer more. Just as seemingly every Republican sought the party’s nomination in 2016, sensing it was a valuable prize given Hillary’s weaknesses, Democrats are lining up to challenge Mr. Trump. It is hard to imagine the next revelation will shake Mr. Trump’s core supporters, but it is also hard to imagine a strong economy winning over his most hardened detractors. Meanwhile, the Democrats’ radical leftward turn leaves those moderates who will not vote for Mr. Trump ripe to support an independent bid. Mr. Kasich, are you listening?
Mr. Jindal served as governor of Louisiana, 2008-16, and was a candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
Appeared in the May 17, 2018, print edition.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/howard-schultz-president-2020-democrats-wont-embrace/
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395470-dems-seek-to-one-up-each-other-with-trump-attacks?userid=188403
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/opinion/trump-re-election-2020.html
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Democrats have been picking their candidates mostly from the Senate. Recent and near recent examples include Sanders, Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Biden, Edwards, Mondale, Humphrey, Johnson, Kennedy.
About 1 minute into the hearings, the new group got started, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, etc.
Klobuchar admitted regret for changing the rules that now allow 5 51 votes to confirm a Justice. Lousy timing on that regret.
One group including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Harris and Booker are in a race to be the darling of the left. Others on the left would like to win senate seat this year in North Dakota, Indiana, Missouri and Florida.
Maybe we'll have 17 Democrats in two tiers of debates in 2020 like we had with the Republicans in 2016. They all think Trump is a bumbling idiot and will be easy to take down just like Reagan was in 1984.
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If Cory Booker and Kameltoe Harris run, it'll be the first all female Dem presidential ticket.
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If one of them wins, she'll be the second woman president of the US.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/run-hillary-run/
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/run-hillary-run/
That would be so awesome!
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Oy vey.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/julian-castro-likely-to-run-for-president
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https://patriotpost.us/opinion/58921-could-trump-win-20-percent-of-the-african-american-vote-in-2020
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https://patriotpost.us/opinion/58921-could-trump-win-20-percent-of-the-african-american-vote-in-2020
That would devastate the dims!
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Black vote is 2016 was one million less than in 2012-- easily much greater than the margin.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/kamala-harris-2020-strategy-908818
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Harris , a slavery reparations candidate (thru the back door of redistribution)
was picked as the leading '20 candidate for the Dems
Open borders high taxation single payer medical
She will run us into a second rate nation
How many people in this country wouldn't mind an extra 6K per year courtesy of the taxpayers?
Take the cash and run or think long term and invest in the nations future.......
Obvious to me but not to the bottom 50% who pay no taxes
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no surprise one of the biggest ego know it alls is running in '20
throwing hsi money around to the Left to by support for his run:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/04/2020-michael-bloomberg-drops-last-minute-ad-touting-himself-dems-before-tuesday-vote/
I don't know what this guy thinks solutions to bring us together is all about!
I have a solution for ya :
Stop the Left from shoving their agenda down the throats of the rest of us.
Does that work for ya .
Otherwise there ain't no coming together .. We never heard anything about coming together or compromise during the One's years did we?
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Say no, to to the Short man with the Napoleon complex:
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/malkin-say-no-to-nanny-bloomberg/
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Hillary Will Run Again
Reinventing herself as a liberal firebrand, Mrs. Clinton will easily capture the 2020 nomination.
31 Comments
By Mark Penn and
Andrew Stein
Nov. 11, 2018 2:13 p.m. ET
Get ready for Hillary Clinton 4.0. More than 30 years in the making, this new version of Mrs. Clinton, when she runs for president in 2020, will come full circle—back to the universal-health-care-promoting progressive firebrand of 1994. True to her name, Mrs. Clinton will fight this out until the last dog dies. She won’t let a little thing like two stunning defeats stand in the way of her claim to the White House.
It’s been quite a journey. In July 1999, Mrs. Clinton began her independent political career on retiring Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s farm in upstate New York. Her Senate platform included support for a balanced budget, the death penalty and incremental health-care reform. It was a decisive break from her early-1990s self. Hillary Clinton 2.0 was a moderate, building on the success of her communitarian “It Takes a Village” appeals and pledging to bring home the bacon for New York. She emphasized her religious background, voiced strong support for Israel, voted for the Iraq war, and took a hard line against Iran.
This was arguably the most successful version of Hillary Clinton. She captured the hearts and minds of New York’s voters and soared to an easy re-election in 2006, leaving Bill and all his controversies behind.
But Hillary 2.0 could not overcome Barack Obama, the instant press sensation. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Mrs. Clinton held fast to centrist positions that would have assured her victory in the general election. But progressive leaders and donors abandoned her for the antiwar Mr. Obama. Black voters who had been strong Clinton supporters in New York and Arkansas left her column to elect the first African-American president. History was made, but not by Mrs. Clinton. Though she won more delegates from Democratic primaries, activists in caucus states gave Mr. Obama, who had called her “likable enough,” the heartbreaking win.
Licking her wounds, Mrs. Clinton served as secretary of state while she planned her comeback. It was during this time that the more liberal Hillary 3.0 emerged. She believed she could never win a primary as a moderate, so she entered the 2016 primary as a progressive like Mr. Obama. Then she moved further left as Sen. Bernie Sanders came closer to derailing her nomination. This time she was able to contain her opponent’s support, crucially by bringing African-American voters into her camp.
But Mrs. Clinton’s transformation during the primaries, especially on social and cultural issues, cost her an easy win against Donald Trump. As Hillary 3.0 catered to the coastal elites who had eluded her in 2008, Mr. Trump stole many of the white working-class voters who might have been amenable to the previous version. Finally she had the full support of the New York Times and the other groups that had shunned her for Mr. Obama—but only at the cost of an unforeseen collapse in support in the Midwest.
Claims of a Russian conspiracy and the unfairness of the Electoral College shielded Mrs. Clinton from ever truly conceding she had lost. She was robbed, she told herself, yet again. But after two years of brooding—including at book length—Mrs. Clinton has come unbound. She will not allow this humiliating loss at the hands of an amateur to end the story of her career. You can expect her to run for president once again. Maybe not at first, when the legions of Senate Democrats make their announcements, but definitely by the time the primaries are in full swing.
Mrs. Clinton has a 75% approval rating among Democrats, an unfinished mission to be the first female president, and a personal grievance against Mr. Trump, whose supporters pilloried her with chants of “Lock her up!” This must be avenged.
Expect Hillary 4.0 to come out swinging. She has decisively to win those Iowa caucus-goers who have never warmed up to her. They will see her now as strong, partisan, left-leaning and all-Democrat—the one with the guts, experience and steely-eyed determination to defeat Mr. Trump. She has had two years to go over what she did wrong and how to take him on again.
Richard Nixon came back from his loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960 and won the presidency in 1968. He will be the model for winning again. Mrs. Clinton won’t travel the country in a van with Huma Abedin this time, doing small events and retail politics. Instead she will enter through the front door, mobilizing the army of professional women behind her, leveraging her social networks, and raking in donations. She will hope to emerge as an unstoppable force to undo Mr. Trump, running on the #MeToo movement, universal health care and gun control. Proud and independent, this time she will sideline Bill and Mr. Obama, limiting their role to fundraising.
The generation of Democrats who have been waiting to take over the party from the Clintons will be fuming that she is back and stealing their show. But they revealed themselves to be bungling amateurs in the Brett Kavanaugh nomination fight, with their laughable Spartacus moments. She will trounce them. Just as Mr. Trump cleared the field, Mrs. Clinton will take down rising Democratic stars like bowling pins. Mike Bloomberg will support her rather than run, and Joe Biden will never be able to take her on.
Don’t pay much attention to the “I won’t run” declarations. Mrs. Clinton knows both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama declared they weren’t running, until they ran. She may even skip Iowa and enter the race later, but rest assured that, one way or another, Hillary 4.0 is on the way.
Mr. Penn was a pollster and senior adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton from 1995-2008. Mr. Stein is a former Democratic Manhattan borough president and president of the New York City Council.
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"Don’t pay much attention to the “I won’t run” declarations. Mrs. Clinton knows both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama declared they weren’t running, until they ran. "
anyone who has lived since the 90s already knows this.
I am not convinced she would be the Dem nominee though.
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This race supposedly starts now. Those serious about winning are starting operations behind the scenes now.
The only serious announced candidate is Trump. I don't expect any truly competitive challengers on the Republican side unless something changes. A John Kasich perhaps, Jeff Flake or lesser who could divide slightly but not conquer.
I wonder who will be the first prominent Democrat to announce and start running full speed. I wonder who even is a prominent Democrat anymore. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/14/cnn-poll-biden-leds-dem-presidential-field-20-points-avenatti-one-percent/ Who is a clear-the field candidate? Biden has no gravitas nor the charisma of the younger upstarts. His career accomplishments are ....... . HRC would not clear the field. Fauxcahontas' appeal is not national. https://outline.com/647FCT But she and Bernie are the old leaders of that movement. If I were them I would get out and get behind ... Kamala??
How do Dems bridge the energy of the coastal far left with the need to carry the center-left midwest. These suburban Republican House losses were not to admitted, flame throwing Leftists. The primaries will be fought on the Left and the general election in the center. You need to win both or go the way of John Kerry, Michael Dukakis. Barack Obama did it selling a blank slate for each voter to paint on. The 2020 Dem will not go unscrutinized.
Major losses up and down the ballots since 2010 have left the Dems with little or no bench and the newcomers now have no positive, national experience. Cory Booker??
There is talk of all 36 or so mentioned running, making the 17 Republicans in two tiers last time look small. Once a few jump in, Kamala Harris, Beto, Hickenlooper, do the rest have to all jump in or miss the spotlight? Or does a late entry take it, like the second (or third or fourth) mouse gets the cheese?
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/12/hickenlooper-colorado-president-2020/
If Hickenlooper (Gov of Colo) is moderate, could he win outside of Colorado where no one has heard of him, excite the base, win primaries in a crowded field, not fizzle on a national stage? If he or anyone is moderate, won't they be ruthlessly attacked in the primaries for being Republican-Lite? The energy of Jeb Bush? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b40uXVjaGh4
If you were a top Dem strategist, who would you want to attach yourself to. Who does the Obama machine want to support. Michelle O. was the one I feared but she most likely will not run. Trump will eat up her husband's record. New and untested is better. Oprah, not running.
Who besides Sherrod Brown could win Ohio, and could he win in Ohio, or anywhere else? He is a third term Senator, me a political junkie and I realize I've never heard him speak:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sharrod+brown+youtube&atb=v143-2__&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=P_t924nP6Gk
Good God, tell me this doesn't all come down to Amy Klobuchar!
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amy+klobuchar+youtube&atb=v143-2__&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=bExZ1agUK0M
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/why-sherrod-brown-may-have-an-edge-on-warren-and-sanders
Sorry I don't know why he is liked or electable, just covering analysis from the other side.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/why-sherrod-brown-may-have-an-edge-on-warren-and-sanders
Sorry I don't know why he is liked or electable, just covering analysis from the other side.
How does Sherrod Brown poll with boxes of discovered ballots? That seems to be the key group that decides elections.
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you have ZERO chance of ever beating Trump - zero.
although you might pick up more votes as a Democrat:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-says-apos-apos-155804953.html
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you have ZERO chance of ever beating Trump - zero.
although you might pick up more votes as a Democrat:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-says-apos-apos-155804953.html
He or someone like him may run as an independent with the intent of being the spoiler.
The primary system for all its flaws is better than the alternatives.
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"He or someone like him may run as an independent with the intent of being the spoiler."
and like Flake McCain he is a guy who thinks he is helping America by being a "spoiler"
Our party always seems to have a few .
Perhaps the same could be said about Sanders but in the end he joins lock step arm and arm with the rest of his comrades in the Dem party (ther word is a misnomer in this case ; should be the Dem funeral procession - not "party)
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Kasich is making noise about challenging Trump.
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https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/two-of-a-kind/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DayByDayCartoon+%28Day+by+Day+Cartoon+by+Chris+Muir%29
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20181214/news-flash-michael-bloomberg-not-a-fan-of-the-first-amendment-either
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https://www.google.com/search?q=napoleon+as+emperor&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=1oUnG-Oox1XUYM%253A%252Cru6LDDrNlQeLKM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSdlgui-7amZAQy7BWOOfBd9vAlhA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp19LQm6LfAhVmk-AKHQNZAC8Q_h0wGnoECAIQCg#imgrc=N0OQZBnJwvZ9GM:
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Top 3 Dems at the moment: Biden(age 76), Bernie(77) and Beto(46) to take on Trump(72).
https://pjmedia.com/video/kirsten-gillibrand-says-it-worries-her-that-the-top-3-2020-dems-are-all-white-guys/
Let's see if Joe Biden can sell generational change.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/26/why-democrats-shouldnt-nominate-someone-over/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ac159218d37
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ccp: Trump will lose in '20.
Maybe.
Some other factors besides Trump's personal defects will come into play:
1. It's the economy - again. The most recent one term Presidents had struggling economies. Trump doubled the growth rate. Unemployment is at 50 year lows. Three million went off of 'so-called' food stamps in the very short time since the Leftists left the White House. Record low Hispanic unemployment, record low black teenager unemployment, record low female unemployment, etc. Even the hated Fed admits the improvement, restoring interest rates.
2. North Korea tamed, if not denuked. No Crimeas under Trump, Russia likely to wait out Trump on their next expansionism. Mad Dog is gone but US military is feared again under Trump.
3. China has been called out on trade tactics and technology theft for the first.time.ever. This is not done but Trump is already getting real concessions - by standing up for America.
4. NAFTA re-opened and repaired. NO ONE else would have done that.
5. NATO strengthened using the only negotiating strategy that works - right out of art of the deal - willingness to walk away.
6. American troops coming home from foreign wars. People like that in some areas of the electoral college. This is different than surrender under Obama because adversaries know we will be back on a moments notice if needed.
7. America is number one in oil production again, essentially energy independent, no longer literally held hostage by Mullahs and dictators. This happened because of capitalism plain and simple, accelerated by deregulation. Gas prices are not going back to $4-5 under Trump.
8. Judge by the Left's crisis criteria, climate change. America's emissions under Trump hit their targets and outperformed all the Paris signatories - without martial law or coercion. Who knew?
9. Improvements on refugee inflows and border security.
10. The biggest, perhaps only reason Trump may win in '20 is the reason he won in '16, weak opponents. Forget about strength in numbers on the Dem candidate list and look at any one of them who may emerge after all the fighting is done. What has he or she done or will do about the above? Make us stronger? No. Make us safer? no. Make us more prosperous? No. Keep us energy independent? No. Secure our border? No. Unite us? No. Inspire us? No. Scold us on our excesses? Yes Turn us into a failed state? Yes.
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agree with most of what you say but not everything:
"North Korea tamed, if not denuked. No Crimeas under Trump"
Well we read N Korea is still proceeding with their nukes
No Crimea but a soviet air base on one of Venezuela's island
" Improvements on refugee inflows and border security."
I posted recently that illegals entries are actually up under Trump.
nothing about those who overstay visas etc
I will surprised if there is not a third party candidate - I can see Boomer doing that if he does not get a Dem nod .
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You are right ccp on the border and NK at halftime. I'm predicting he will have some bragging rights on those scores in 2020. Otherwise he will just run with the rest of the 300 accomplishments, versus what, Cory, Kamala, Julian?
It reminds me, I have political gambling debts to settle with you. Note to self, don't bet against ccp.
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/is-gillibrand-the-democrats-best-faux-moderate-woman.php
As the 2018 election drew near, she had outraised her Republican opponent by $7.4 million to $200,000.
Klobuchar: Her lifetime American Conservative Union rating is 4.71, almost identical to Chuck Schumer’s 4.70.
Midwestern like Tim Pawlenty without all the charisma.
http://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-drops-more-hints-disavows-fake-campaign-logo/504400492/
Hillary 2.0 in many ways without the marriage to Bill, Whitewater, email scandal etc. She has walked through life without much scrutiny. Rose to attention with a locally famous family name; her father was a well known newspaper columnist.
Lousy prosecutor with good people on staff, she got through her Hennepin County Attorney job without major screwups or scandal. Ran for Senate as a local Hillary clone in 2006 with the changeover of congress to the Pelosi Reid Dems and the end of a 53 month Bush Cheney expansion as investors saw what was coming and head for the doors. She has mostly avoided strong rhetoric on divisive issues but is a lock-step far Left Dem by all of our standards.
I fear Hillary but hate to pull for the louder flame throwers. Senators generally think they should be President, have faced all the issues but never run anything. Obama was elected but most of the Senators fizzle in the Presidential contests.
https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2018/10/another-upgrade-klobuchar-seen-as-6th-most-likely-2020-dem-nominee/
As you can see in the photo, the crowds aren't going to see Amy:
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/KlobucharPrideParade640.jpg)
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She does show a definite midwestern sense of style. :wink:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/is-gillibrand-the-democrats-best-faux-moderate-woman.php
As the 2018 election drew near, she had outraised her Republican opponent by $7.4 million to $200,000.
Klobuchar: Her lifetime American Conservative Union rating is 4.71, almost identical to Chuck Schumer’s 4.70.
Midwestern like Tim Pawlenty without all the charisma.
http://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-drops-more-hints-disavows-fake-campaign-logo/504400492/
Hillary 2.0 in many ways without the marriage to Bill, Whitewater, email scandal etc. She has walked through life without much scrutiny. Rose to attention with a locally famous family name; her father was a well known newspaper columnist.
Lousy prosecutor with good people on staff, she got through her Hennepin County Attorney job without major screwups or scandal. Ran for Senate as a local Hillary clone in 2006 with the changeover of congress to the Pelosi Reid Dems and the end of a 53 month Bush Cheney expansion as investors saw what was coming and head for the doors. She has mostly avoided strong rhetoric on divisive issues but is a lock-step far Left Dem by all of our standards.
I fear Hillary but hate to pull for the louder flame throwers. Senators generally think they should be President, have faced all the issues but never run anything. Obama was elected but most of the Senators fizzle in the Presidential contests.
https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2018/10/another-upgrade-klobuchar-seen-as-6th-most-likely-2020-dem-nominee/
As you can see in the photo, the crowds aren't going to see Amy:
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/KlobucharPrideParade640.jpg)
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"She does show a definite midwestern sense of style. :wink: "
Diplomatically expressed. She won't win this on looks alone.
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"She does show a definite midwestern sense of style. :wink: "
Diplomatically expressed. She won't win this on looks alone.
I have worked a couple of EP details where Hollywood types mingle with theater owners. From across the room, I can tell who is from Tinseltown and who owns a chain of theaters in middle America.
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Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’
The senator was often on the wrong side of history when she served as California’s attorney general.
By Lara Bazelon
Ms. Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles.
Jan. 17, 2019
Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.CreditDamon Winter/The New York Times
Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.CreditCreditDamon Winter/The New York Times
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SAN FRANCISCO — With the growing recognition that prosecutors hold the keys to a fairer criminal justice system, the term “progressive prosecutor” has almost become trendy. This is how Senator Kamala Harris of California, a likely presidential candidate and a former prosecutor, describes herself.
But she’s not.
Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.
Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.
Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.
Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.
Ms. Harris was similarly regressive as the state’s attorney general. When a federal judge in Orange County ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional in 2014, Ms. Harris appealed. In a public statement, she made the bizarre argument that the decision “undermines important protections that our courts provide to defendants.” (The approximately 740 men and women awaiting execution in California might disagree).
In 2014, she declined to take a position on Proposition 47, a ballot initiative approved by voters, that reduced certain low-level felonies to misdemeanors. She laughed that year when a reporter asked if she would support the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. Ms. Harris finally reversed course in 2018, long after public opinion had shifted on the topic.
In 2015, she opposed a bill requiring her office to investigate shootings involving officers. And she refused to support statewide standards regulating the use of body-worn cameras by police officers. For this, she incurred criticism from an array of left-leaning reformers, including Democratic state senators, the A.C.L.U. and San Francisco’s elected public defender. The activist Phelicia Jones, who had supported Ms. Harris for years, asked, “How many more people need to die before she steps in?”
Worst of all, though, is Ms. Harris’s record in wrongful conviction cases. Consider George Gage, an electrician with no criminal record who was charged in 1999 with sexually abusing his stepdaughter, who reported the allegations years later. The case largely hinged on the stepdaughter’s testimony and Mr. Gage was convicted.
Afterward, the judge discovered that the prosecutor had unlawfully held back potentially exculpatory evidence, including medical reports indicating that the stepdaughter had been repeatedly untruthful with law enforcement. Her mother even described her as “a pathological liar” who “lives her lies.”
In 2015, when the case reached the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, Ms. Harris’s prosecutors defended the conviction. They pointed out that Mr. Gage, while forced to act as his own lawyer, had not properly raised the legal issue in the lower court, as the law required.
The appellate judges acknowledged this impediment and sent the case to mediation, a clear signal for Ms. Harris to dismiss the case. When she refused to budge, the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr. Gage is still in prison serving a 70-year sentence.
That case is not an outlier. Ms. Harris also fought to keep Daniel Larsen in prison on a 28-year-to-life sentence for possession of a concealed weapon even though his trial lawyer was incompetent and there was compelling evidence of his innocence. Relying on a technicality again, Ms. Harris argued that Mr. Larsen failed to raise his legal arguments in a timely fashion. (This time, she lost.)
She also defended Johnny Baca’s conviction for murder even though judges found a prosecutor presented false testimony at the trial. She relented only after a video of the oral argument received national attention and embarrassed her office.
And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)
All this is a shame because the state’s top prosecutor has the power and the imperative to seek justice. In cases of tainted convictions, that means conceding error and overturning them. Rather than fulfilling that obligation, Ms. Harris turned legal technicalities into weapons so she could cement injustices.
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In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir, she writes: “America has a deep and dark history of people using the power of the prosecutor as an instrument of injustice.”
She adds, “I know this history well — of innocent men framed, of charges brought against people without sufficient evidence, of prosecutors hiding information that would exonerate defendants, of the disproportionate application of the law.”
All too often, she was on the wrong side of that history.
It is true that politicians must make concessions to get the support of key interest groups. The fierce, collective opposition of law enforcement and local district attorney associations can be hard to overcome at the ballot box. But in her career, Ms. Harris did not barter or trade to get the support of more conservative law-and-order types; she gave it all away.
Of course, the full picture is more complicated. During her tenure as district attorney, Ms. Harris refused to seek the death penalty in a case involving the murder of a police officer. And she started a successful program that offered first-time nonviolent offenders a chance to have their charges dismissed if they completed a rigorous vocational training. As attorney general, she mandated implicit bias training and was awarded for her work in correcting a backlog in the testing of rape kits.
But if Kamala Harris wants people who care about dismantling mass incarceration and correcting miscarriages of justice to vote for her, she needs to radically break with her past.
A good first step would be to apologize to the wrongfully convicted people she has fought to keep in prison and to do what she can to make sure they get justice. She should start with George Gage.
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Good article, let these carry their own baggage.
"In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir"
Oh good God, she has a memoir? Of what?
Nate Silver has her well positioned in a crowded field relative to the competition:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-kamala-and-beto-have-more-upside-than-joe-and-bernie/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-17-long-shot-presidential-contenders-could-build-a-winning-coalition/
With sarcasm, she shares that common experience women across the heartland can relate to, she no marriage or children through all her childbearing years, got her start in politics sleeping with Willie Brown, 30 years her senior. http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-29/news/mn-2787_1_brown-associates
At 54 she has now been married for 4 years.
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Howard Schultz running as "independent"
I can hear it now.
Another "entitlement coming:
Government department to oversee program to to provide "free" coffee for all.
(Illegals included. ) :wink:
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If we intend to chronicle the flaws of the candidates this cycle we're 'going to need a bigger blog'.
Opinion
Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’
The senator was often on the wrong side of history when she served as California’s attorney general.
By Lara Bazelon
Ms. Bazelon is a law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles.
Jan. 17, 2019
Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.
Before she was a senator, Kamala Harris was an attorney general and district attorney who acted in ways that could hardly be described as "progressive," Lara Bazelon writes.
SAN FRANCISCO — With the growing recognition that prosecutors hold the keys to a fairer criminal justice system, the term “progressive prosecutor” has almost become trendy. This is how Senator Kamala Harris of California, a likely presidential candidate and a former prosecutor, describes herself.
But she’s not.
Time after time, when progressives urged her to embrace criminal justice reforms as a district attorney and then the state’s attorney general, Ms. Harris opposed them or stayed silent. Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.
Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights.
Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.
Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.
Ms. Harris was similarly regressive as the state’s attorney general. When a federal judge in Orange County ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional in 2014, Ms. Harris appealed. In a public statement, she made the bizarre argument that the decision “undermines important protections that our courts provide to defendants.” (The approximately 740 men and women awaiting execution in California might disagree).
In 2014, she declined to take a position on Proposition 47, a ballot initiative approved by voters, that reduced certain low-level felonies to misdemeanors. She laughed that year when a reporter asked if she would support the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. Ms. Harris finally reversed course in 2018, long after public opinion had shifted on the topic.
In 2015, she opposed a bill requiring her office to investigate shootings involving officers. And she refused to support statewide standards regulating the use of body-worn cameras by police officers. For this, she incurred criticism from an array of left-leaning reformers, including Democratic state senators, the A.C.L.U. and San Francisco’s elected public defender. The activist Phelicia Jones, who had supported Ms. Harris for years, asked, “How many more people need to die before she steps in?”
Worst of all, though, is Ms. Harris’s record in wrongful conviction cases. Consider George Gage, an electrician with no criminal record who was charged in 1999 with sexually abusing his stepdaughter, who reported the allegations years later. The case largely hinged on the stepdaughter’s testimony and Mr. Gage was convicted.
Afterward, the judge discovered that the prosecutor had unlawfully held back potentially exculpatory evidence, including medical reports indicating that the stepdaughter had been repeatedly untruthful with law enforcement. Her mother even described her as “a pathological liar” who “lives her lies.”
In 2015, when the case reached the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, Ms. Harris’s prosecutors defended the conviction. They pointed out that Mr. Gage, while forced to act as his own lawyer, had not properly raised the legal issue in the lower court, as the law required.
The appellate judges acknowledged this impediment and sent the case to mediation, a clear signal for Ms. Harris to dismiss the case. When she refused to budge, the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr. Gage is still in prison serving a 70-year sentence.
That case is not an outlier. Ms. Harris also fought to keep Daniel Larsen in prison on a 28-year-to-life sentence for possession of a concealed weapon even though his trial lawyer was incompetent and there was compelling evidence of his innocence. Relying on a technicality again, Ms. Harris argued that Mr. Larsen failed to raise his legal arguments in a timely fashion. (This time, she lost.)
She also defended Johnny Baca’s conviction for murder even though judges found a prosecutor presented false testimony at the trial. She relented only after a video of the oral argument received national attention and embarrassed her office.
And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)
All this is a shame because the state’s top prosecutor has the power and the imperative to seek justice. In cases of tainted convictions, that means conceding error and overturning them. Rather than fulfilling that obligation, Ms. Harris turned legal technicalities into weapons so she could cement injustices.
In “The Truths We Hold,” Ms. Harris’s recently published memoir, she writes: “America has a deep and dark history of people using the power of the prosecutor as an instrument of injustice.”
She adds, “I know this history well — of innocent men framed, of charges brought against people without sufficient evidence, of prosecutors hiding information that would exonerate defendants, of the disproportionate application of the law.”
All too often, she was on the wrong side of that history.
It is true that politicians must make concessions to get the support of key interest groups. The fierce, collective opposition of law enforcement and local district attorney associations can be hard to overcome at the ballot box. But in her career, Ms. Harris did not barter or trade to get the support of more conservative law-and-order types; she gave it all away.
Of course, the full picture is more complicated. During her tenure as district attorney, Ms. Harris refused to seek the death penalty in a case involving the murder of a police officer. And she started a successful program that offered first-time nonviolent offenders a chance to have their charges dismissed if they completed a rigorous vocational training. As attorney general, she mandated implicit bias training and was awarded for her work in correcting a backlog in the testing of rape kits.
But if Kamala Harris wants people who care about dismantling mass incarceration and correcting miscarriages of justice to vote for her, she needs to radically break with her past.
A good first step would be to apologize to the wrongfully convicted people she has fought to keep in prison and to do what she can to make sure they get justice. She should start with George Gage.
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Gillibrand is likely to face additional questions over her record, having begun her political career as a centrist Democrat only to evolve over the years into a liberal firebrand.
While representing New York’s rural 20th congressional district, Gillibrand opposed “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants and a proposal to issue them driver’s licenses. But as a senator, she backed comprehensive immigration reform and threw her support behind abolishing the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agency.
Gillibrand also once enjoyed an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association, stemming from her opposition to stricter gun laws in the earlier stages of her career. The NRA downgraded her rating to an “F” in 2010, after she embraced several gun control measures. Gillibrand has said she is “embarrassed” by her previous stances on guns.
“If you looked up ‘political opportunism’ in the dictionary, Kirsten Gillibrand’s photo would be next to it,”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/kirsten-gillibrand-formidable-2020-presidential-candidate
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/kamala-harris-life-career-california-senator/
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Anyone notice the themes from the LEFT
They are twisting it around ala Bill Clinton spin
About they are for sovereignty democracy etc
We need to be ready for them turning it around on us .
Take the female version of Obama , Harris:
"We are here because the American Dream and our American democracy are under attack"
oh really ! obama did more to strip our dream our sovereignty from us . How is make America great stripping away the dream
how is getting jobs for all and standing up to foes and "friends" who take advantage of us doing that
another hollywood hypocrite Patricia Arguette using another one of the endless self congratulatory award shows to thank Muuuuuler for saving our "sovereignty "
If this is not twisting the truth backwards - more like the Dem Party doing it with open borders
We better have answers ready for this . Our message must stick it to them.
For once lets shove back in their faces.
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This guy maybe Schultz's campaign manager
??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/billionaire-presidential-candidates-2020-howard-schultz-bloomberg-trump/
Pretty funny to see the Jewish liberal billionaires duking it out.
Boomer already pissed. :lol:
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There are some useful observations here and some flaws to his thinking:
http://m.startribune.com/george-will-amy-klobuchar-could-be-the-democrats-best-bet-in-2020/505107432/
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Let's see based on company profile SBUX employs 291,000 employees in US alone .
Gee wonder if we can find any that will be very unhappy with Howard running?
I guess huffpost can:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/starbucks-telling-employees-howard-schultz-205457390.html
I say: go Howard go ! :))
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2405903/Cory-Booker-invented-drug-dealer-friend-named-T-bone-threatened-life-boost-public-appeal.html?fbclid=IwAR0NbY040pl25-ziHFB8zg8WLVVKzTkQ7ZlCH4Nc4Pz10vO1X4fnDuB_xMw
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2405903/Cory-Booker-invented-drug-dealer-friend-named-T-bone-threatened-life-boost-public-appeal.html?fbclid=IwAR0NbY040pl25-ziHFB8zg8WLVVKzTkQ7ZlCH4Nc4Pz10vO1X4fnDuB_xMw
Cori is now supposed to be in a relationship with an actress. Some clever person nicknamed her "She-Bone".
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One of my patients who worked in Newark called Cory Booker a "nothing but a showboater" -
years ago .
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The Case for Amy Klobuchar
A Minnesota pragmatist could help Democrats beat Trump in 2020.
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By The Editorial Board
Feb. 10, 2019 5:08 p.m. ET
Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. Amy Klobuchar in Washington, Feb. 7.
Senate Judiciary Committee member Sen. Amy Klobuchar in Washington, Feb. 7. Photo: J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press
Amy Klobuchar is running for President, and perhaps she can be the Democrats’ consensus candidate. “We are tired—of the shutdowns and the showdowns, of the gridlock and the grandstanding,” the Minnesota Senator said Sunday, standing amid falling snow in a Minneapolis park. “Our nation must be governed not from chaos but from opportunity.” Though Ms. Klobuchar won’t be the first choice of the socialist left, she is running as a candidate who is liberal enough while also a sharp contrast in temperament to President Trump.
At 58, she’s a generation younger than Joe Biden, her potential middle-of-the-road competitor. With 12 years in the Senate, she has more experience than Julián Castro or Beto O’Rourke. She’s a Midwesterner, and Democrats need to win back Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio.
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As a woman, she ticks the identity-politics box. Yet she doesn’t carry the baggage of Elizabeth Warren (who impersonated a Native American), Kamala Harris (whose zeal as a prosecutor is passé), or Kirsten Gillibrand (whose politics have “evolved” faster than the flu virus).
Unlike most 2020 contenders, Ms. Klobuchar hasn’t parroted lefty slogans. Asked last year about abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, she said it would be better to focus on changing its policies, adding: “We are always going to need immigration enforcement.” She advocates letting people buy into Medicare, rather than forcing it on everybody, while still saying universal health-care is the goal.
Ms. Klobuchar once called her approach “pretty pragmatic.” In 2007 she passed a bill tightening safety standards for pool drains, after a few young children were hurt or killed by the suction. In 2011 she stood up for the nutritional value of tomato paste, when the Agriculture Department was debating if school-lunch pizza should continue to count as a vegetable serving.
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More recently, she has focused on lowering prescription drug prices and boosting privacy online. Critics of her record in the Senate say she plays small ball. Ms. Klobuchar responds that she simply knows how to get things done. Minnesotans clearly take her side. During her re-election last year, she won 60% of the vote, including every congressional district.
But when Democrats outside Minnesota are asked about Amy Klobuchar, they reply: Amy who? In a national survey last month, 49% said they’d never heard of her. Another 21% didn’t know enough to have an opinion. Even in neighboring Iowa, Ms. Klobuchar was the first 2020 choice for only 3% of Democrats, according to a December poll. She was tied with—gulp—Michael Bloomberg.
She is also getting criticism, albeit anonymously, as a tough boss who mistreated her staff. She has had some of the highest staff turnover on Capitol Hill, but the stories would have more credibility if the critics lent their names. Perhaps the Senator is simply less tolerant of millennial demands. The stories are notable mainly because they contrast with Ms. Klobuchar’s Minnesota Nice public persona.
Another question is how far Ms. Klobuchar will go to raise her profile. Last week she quietly co-sponsored the Senate resolution on a Green New Deal. Running on a pledge to eliminate fossil fuels in 10 years? Mr. Trump can only hope. If Ms. Klobuchar, already a solid liberal, feels the need to zag further left, she could lose the strongest argument for her candidacy: She may be the Democrat best able to beat Mr. Trump.
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The Case for Amy Klobuchar?
- The WSJ article cited has some truths and some flaws in it. When she was elected, she was an exact policy clone of Hillary Clinton with local name recognition, without all the baggage, running nearly unopposed in a solidly, old style blue state. She has continuing, unexplained popularity that has continued to clear the field for her.
- She is a woman, box checked, and they got her age and years of Senate experience right. She wasn't a prosecutor, she ran a department that prosecuted. She accomplished WHAT in the Senate by the way? She entered the Senate in 2006, stopped the Bush expansion and tanked the economy. She supported every policy that brought on the crash and she supported every wrong-headed policy of Obama, who was the furthest left of all her fellow Senators. She stood up to him on nothing to set herself apart, not the healthcare takeover, not cars for cash, not Solyndra boondoggle, QE, trillion dollar deficits, not the Iran disaster. When did she cross over or stand up to him? Never. Just a perfect partisan. A follower, not a leader. Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin without all the charisma.
"Yet she doesn’t carry the baggage of Elizabeth Warren (who impersonated a Native American), Kamala Harris (whose zeal as a prosecutor is passé), or Kirsten Gillibrand (whose politics have “evolved” faster than the flu virus)."
- True, she doesn't have Hillary's or Warren's baggage and she doesn't talk like AOC. She does however carry all the baggage of the Democratic Party of the last 12 years into the general election if nominated. 12 years without making America competitive. Will she run on bringing back collapse or stagnation? Empowering Iran or empowering North Korea? Selling out to China or to Russia? Her opponent doubled the growth rate and made us safer. How does she answer that?
"Unlike most 2020 contenders, Ms. Klobuchar hasn’t parroted lefty slogans. Asked last year about abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, she said it would be better to focus on changing its policies, adding: “We are always going to need immigration enforcement.”
- That counts as pragmatism in the Dem party today, admitting that nations have borders? If so, it could sink her in the primaries. Those blue collar workers that care about borders are now called Trump voters.
Ms. Klobuchar once called her approach “pretty pragmatic.” In 2007 she passed a bill tightening safety standards for pool drains, after a few young children were hurt or killed by the suction. In 2011 she stood up for the nutritional value of tomato paste, when the Agriculture Department was debating if school-lunch pizza should continue to count as a vegetable serving.
- Yes, she can be the pool drain President. I stand corrected on no accomplishments. One girl was horribly drowned in the Minneapolis Golf Club pool and she closed all old pools in the nation, forced upgrades and saved likely zero lives while supporting the abortion of millions. No mention of where she stands on nine month plus one day terminations?
"More recently, she has focused on lowering prescription drug prices and boosting privacy online. [I like that.] Critics of her record in the Senate say she plays small ball. Ms. Klobuchar responds that she simply knows how to get things done. Minnesotans clearly take her side. During her re-election last year, she won 60% of the vote, including every congressional district."
- She wins with name recognition here and has always had more than ten to one money advantage. That doesn't carry as far as Iowa or Wisconsin, she won't win either Dakota, and it won't help her in New Hampshire, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania. Her famous dad of the Minneapolis Tribune was unknown and un-noteworthy outside the state.
"She is also getting criticism, albeit anonymously, as a tough boss who mistreated her staff. She has had some of the highest staff turnover on Capitol Hill, but the stories would have more credibility if the critics lent their names. Perhaps the Senator is simply less tolerant of millennial demands. The stories are notable mainly because they contrast with Ms. Klobuchar’s Minnesota Nice public persona."
- Excuse me but there is a big difference between being a tough boss and mistreating your staff. Her true character is revealed behind the scenes. The stories are notable because she is a bitch when the cameras are off, unnecessarily. I knew that from a family member, a Democrat, who worked for her in her previous job. Not exactly his words but to that effect. Interesting to know that she is not authentic; her public and private persona are different. That is not likely to change at 58 and could be be revealed in the course of a long campaign if she is competitive. Amy Klobuchar has never been in a close competitive race, never faced a serious attack and never beat a real challenge from the left or the right. She should fit right in, in a field of beginners.
"Another question is how far Ms. Klobuchar will go to raise her profile. Last week she quietly co-sponsored the Senate resolution on a Green New Deal. Running on a pledge to eliminate fossil fuels in 10 years? Mr. Trump can only hope. If Ms. Klobuchar, already a solid liberal, feels the need to zag further left, she could lose the strongest argument for her candidacy.
- This is right. If she runs to the Left in the primaries, she removes the only reason to vote for her, that she is a reasonable centrist, an old style Democrat, a unicorn in 2019. There aren't any JFK Democrats or Humphrey Democrats left - so she copies the others to set herself apart?
Unmentioned is how well popular two term Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty did in Iowa, California, New York, Michigan. She won in local, one newspaper town that has been playing her last name in large print without controversy everyday for 60 years.
If the Dem contest is a race to the Left, Amy does not either win it or set herself up as a contrast by endorsing the socialist green mantra. Her only hope is to be the last one standing after a long series of others implode over the course of the campaign.
Excite the Left or win the middle. Choose one.
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Amy's first statewide race:
Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party primary results[1]
Party Candidate Votes 2006 %
DFL Amy Klobuchar 294,671 92.51
DFL Darryl Stanton 23,872 7.49
Population of MN is roughly 6 million, roughly 95% of whom did not come out to vote for her that beautiful September day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota
Money raised in Klobuchar's most recent reelction, 2018:
Amy Klobuchar (D) $10,681,536
Jim Newberger (R) $257,989
A 42:1 advantage. Good luck getting that matchup with Trump.
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"- Excuse me but there is a big difference between being a tough boss and mistreating your staff. Her true character is revealed behind the scenes. The stories are notable because she is a bitch when the cameras are off, unnecessarily. I knew that from a family member, a Democrat, who worked for her in her previous job. Interesting to know that she is not authentic. Her public and private persona are different. That is not likely to change at 58 and could be be revealed in the course of a long campaign if she is competitive."
you know someone who worked for her?
unlike Donald she is hiding her real persona.
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I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue. Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway.
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I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue. Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway.
You are likely right. Her personal ambition might be a strength now that she is running for the highest office in the land. On the other side of it, she would be running in the general election as the non-Trump. * Saying they both treat underlings badly doesn't cut it. It undercuts her already unimpressive image. More importantly though, the flaws in Donald Trump, out in the open, partly helped him to accomplish large things. The flaws in Amy have stayed secret while she so far has been no more than a placeholder for the Democratic Party. When they needed 47 or 60 voters, she was there. Pool drain safety and tomato paste nutrition are what a sympathetic article came up with for accomplishments. Otherwise, every vote she took with Schumer, Durbin and Obama arguably moved the country backwards on most measurable fronts.
It might be easier for Trump to run against a Dem Senator with a long voting record of failure than to run against an idealistic blank slate of promise like what Obama pulled off.
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* Nate silver: My thinking was that Klobuchar’s mild-mannered Minnesota-niceness and long career as a public servant — and the fact that she’s a woman — would look to Democratic voters like the antidote to Trump’s bombast and braggadocio.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/amy-klobuchar-2020-democratic-nomination-kickoff/
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In a blizzard and in a multi-week, below zero stretch she addresses climate change at her kick-off. No irony. "We believe in science." Lucky for her the ideologues don't call it global warming anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMb59UaMLPA
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" I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue. Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway"
Agree as I alluded to my previous post 6:54 am) but Doug makes a good point too: At least it is becoming clear that Klobuchar will not be able to claim some sort of *moral high ground* against Trump.
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" I confess so far I am unimpressed with this purported issue. Trump has a substantial record of fukking with people who contract to do work for him, but we voted for him anyway"
Agree as I alluded to my previous post 6:54 am) but Doug makes a good point too: At least it is becoming clear that Klobuchar will not be able to claim some sort of *moral high ground* against Trump.
Dollar Palace-Hillary
(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/I-dont-have-to-get-all-dressed-up.jpg)
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"the Green New Deal has been embraced by every Democrat in the race including Klobuchar and Senate colleagues Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, and Kirsten Gillibrand."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/klobuchar-dismisses-moderate-label-people-should-see-me-as-a-progressive
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Wow. Running on taking away all private automobiles, grounding and recycling the metal on all airplanes, shutting down all nuclear plants, confiscating all natural gas furnaces, ending air conditioning as we know it and making us all vegans against our will.
Walter Mondale was too far left in all 50 states but he had an answer for this in "1984":
"Where's the Beef?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjw8m7GmIa4
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As AOC and all these candidates talk about getting the majorities that will pass Green New Coercive Deal, they will not stop at banning airplanes, cars, heat and beef, they will ban guns too. Obviously, gun owners will resist, but at least one candidate says they will have the nuclear weapons, so what they are really proposing is coercive victory through nuclear civil war. Put THAT on the ballot in 2020.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/kamala-harris-caught-falsehood-claiming-smoke-dope-listening-tupac-college/?utm_source=push&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2019-02-12&utm_campaign=manualpost
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on the Left and their co conspirators in the media covering for the Dem prez candidates:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/02/13/cotton-media-have-been-complicit-in-the-stalinlike-coverup-of-radical-parts-of-green-new-deal-n2541406
As Pat Buchanan points out Trump may have hit on a winning formula:
https://buchanan.org/blog/has-trump-found-the-formula-for-2020-135970
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/kirsten-gillibrands-chameleonic-ability/
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https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/17/gillibrand-need-federally-recognize-third-gender/?fbclid=IwAR118oyVWxdmrBiOE12jmbSOyROp7Puat5_MXkdJnRpCqy6goGZ-nJzo_Is
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/republican-party-minority-voters-2020-campaign-strategy/
Is Trump such a coward he only gives speeches to bastions of support?
Is he afraid if he goes to minority community he will be heckled?
I don't know why he just continues to refuse to do this. I suspect it would help more then hurt .
I wonder if he is AFRAID of the potential for a less than loving crowd. :wink:
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/republican-party-minority-voters-2020-campaign-strategy/
Is Trump such a coward he only gives speeches to bastions of support?
Is he afraid if he goes to minority community he will be heckled?
I don't know why he just continues to refuse to do this. I suspect it would help more then hurt .
I wonder if he is AFRAID of the potential for a less than loving crowd. :wink:
I think he tried to do that with his Venezuela speech in Miami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=IBYs1NWOp1Q
The article suggests he bring his economic record with blacks to Philadelphia and I think he will. I don't think its cowardice but just optics. His rallies have been a political masterpiece of making him look and sound popular. I'm sure he will stay with the large venue look and having protesters hauled out is bad optics. A so-called black neighborhood is not going to come out with the same level of excitement to show public support for Trump even as he has the possibility to double his support there. Just getting more blacks and Hispanics and Asian Americans into the picture and into the arena would be a breakthrough. There is no doubt that the words of his speeches will be touting the inclusiveness of his economic accomplishments with minorities at every stop. Whites also don't want to be part of a white-centric movement. Whites were proud to elect the first black President and whites at least on the right are proud of the Trump economic record with minorities.
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Besides Warren, I also predict failure for John Hickenlooper who is probably the best of the Democrats, a far better 'moderate' than Amy. He is scheduled to be in a Sioux City (IA) coffee shop for one hour this Saturday. Don't expect it to look like a Trump rally.
These small stops tell you how expensive it is to wage a national campaign, flying around for such a brief stop not likely to excite anyone: "Moderate Problem Solver Coming to Town!"
If no one comes, it's over?
My relatives in Sioux City are Republicans, as are most moderates in the heartland these days.
http://kscj.com/2019/02/20/hickenlooper-to-test-political-waters-in-sioux-city/
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/01/31/john-hickenlooper-moderate-presidential-candidate/
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Distant relative Bourke B. Hickenlooper (common name?) was a Republican Lt. Gov, Governor in the 1940s, then served 4 terms in the US Senate through the 1960s, died in 1971. Not likely to bring the former Colorado Democratic governor too many votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourke_B._Hickenlooper
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As know it is about "reparations" all along
Try competing with promises of cold hard cash :
https://theweek.com/speedreads/825066/elizabeth-warren-backs-reparations-black-americans
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https://freebeacon.com/columns/clumsy-kamala/
Very weak field so far.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
Dozens of sources.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.
Eeewww!! Yuch! I'd prefer waterboarding. Just like the NYT to do a hit ipiece on a Dem and leave out the worst details.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/veep-amy-klobuchar-leg-shaving-rumor.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
There is a story where she made her staff shave her legs.
Eewwww
Eeewww!! Yuch! I'd prefer waterboarding. Just like the NYT to do a hit ipiece on a Dem and leave out the worst details.
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The story is out there now, guaranteed as accurate as Russian collusion, the FISA applications and the Steele dossier.
Speaking of honest media, will SNL cover this?
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The story is out there now, guaranteed as accurate as Russian collusion, the FISA applications and the Steele dossier.
Speaking of honest media, will SNL cover this?
Only if Dollar Palace Hillary were a republican.
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Killibrand on FOX Special Report tonight. What a nothing she is.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/24/2020-hispanic-voters-donald-trump-225192?fbclid=IwAR3tqOpOzS6VPSx8P4_gjLiMn4LJOtyFMa1PfyAt5-t6MCYF5Mvm4oDw-H8
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cohen - so what
as Rush said, NOTHING we don't already know
let the Dems masturbate
Dons polls will not budge!
same as (almost no matter) whatever Meowler comes out with.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-kamala-harris-crime-lab-scandal-20190306-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3a29rmw7M0fJn0J9Uzv_4bQuU-7wzYaiF9ardAr9v_i9jWaneSMw-c980
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https://www.denverpost.com/2019/03/04/john-hickenlooper-presidential-annoucement/
This changes everything.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2019/03/03/7-signs-trump-will-landslide-2020-n2542498
This is not out of the question. A number of things would have to come together, good economy, weak opponent(s) and no stupid stuff by Trump.
On Wednesday Nov 4 2020 enter 'Trump Landslide' in the forum search function and see if they got it right.
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you reap what you sow , you dumb jerks:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/13/left-mocks-betos-messiah-esque-born-to-run-remarks-peak-white-male-privilege/
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you reap what you sow , you dumb jerks:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/13/left-mocks-betos-messiah-esque-born-to-run-remarks-peak-white-male-privilege/
Yes we are about to see the tactics of the Left turned against the Left.
Get comfortable and pass the popcorn. We've got more than a year of this to watch.
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The left always devours it’s self.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-orourke/democrat-beto-orourke-barnstorms-iowa-after-jumping-into-presidential-race-idUSKCN1QV13C
Ban air travel. 'Beto' strongly endorsed the Green New Deal, saying: "Not to be dramatic, but literally, the future of the world depends on us right now here where we are." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/14/beto_orourke_on_green_new_deal_literally_the_future_of_the_world_depends_on_us.html
‘We face catastrophe and crisis on this planet,’ he declared, asserting that climate change will unleash ‘massive migration of tens or hundreds of millions of people from countries that are literally uninhabitable or under water.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6810365/PIERS-MORGAN-Beto-ORourke-loser-running-lies-slogan-Americans-die.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus&__twitter_impression=true
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Hey Beto, How did you get to Iowa? How are you getting home? Wind powered rail? El Paso to Sioux City is 2 days by bus. Your opponent will be jetting to his stadium rallies, 2 or 3 per day without missing any meeting in Washington.
Without air travel, well-to-do Iowans can choose between vacationing in southern Minnesota or Nebraska. (
Hey Beto (continued), Did you mention banning beef in Iowa?
Trump wont ban beef, but he will bring up the issue in Iowa. Three percent of US population is vegetarian. A little lower on an Iowa cattle farm.
The liberal utopia lives only on the coasts, and even there, only in fiction.
Beto "supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry".
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main
That won't come up in the Dem debates...
Hey Beto, If you're not the most authentic lib in the race, what exactly do you bring? Accomplishment? lol.
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Beto's hand movements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwV6iaeaJM
Beto's accomplishments:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11/02/ted-cruz-beto-orourke-congressional-accomplishments-texas/
O'Rourke under Obama named a federal courthouse in El Paso and passed two other co-sponsored amendments into law, tuition assistance and veteran appeals, over his 6 years.
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Beta-male O'Rourke
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/anderson-cooper-notices-beto-orourke-has-a-lot-of-merchandise-on-his-website-not-a-lot-of-substance?utm_content=bufferc363b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=glennbeck&fbclid=IwAR1bI7PoYGH_ScQ7QSLPLWuR_0D8b9k67OkrMfQ8KAKxJKbxKz2PRmcrG-8
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Joe Biden is a unique person in unique times so a look at other candidates in history is only a guide. As the frontrunner, he is relevant but not too many people think he really will be the nominee, or the President. His appeal tends to be stronger in some states where Trump tipped the last race so maybe he is feared most by Trump.
Democrats have never elected a former VP to be President. (Other than LBJ who was running as incumbent President in 1964, not as a former VP.)
Only 3 times did the candidate leading at this point go on to become the Democrat nominee, Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Hillary Clinton in 2016. All lost.
In a time where media and Democratic operatives (redundancy alert) want to hold Trump accountable for his loose grip on facts and truth, same group should go back and review the VP debate 2008 of Biden versus Sarah Palin. At the time, the attention was on Palin but someone on their side ought to go back and fact check old crazy Joe before they nominate him. He makes Trump look detail oriented in comparison.
Joe has big baggage no matter which side of it all you stand on. For the liberals, there is a vote or a quote on almost every issue out there to use back against him. For the right, he can be held to account for every failed policy of the Obama years, the plane load of cash to Iran for example, the apology tour, the open border and so on.
Then there is the creepy Joe thing. The wandering hands haven't fully been vetted, only laughed about. Is all of that okay? There are youtube compilations but there will eventually be people coming forward to talk about it, either same or worse than the last two accusers that brought Al Franken down.
Somewhere in the discussion is the unite the party challenge. Like Hillary Clinton, he polls best when he is silent, hiding, not commenting, and not declared as a candidate. On that count he is performing brilliantly, but next month 'they say' he will announce and need to make a big splash. Like Hillary, he has mediocre candidate skills. Like Hillary, he is not larger than life, does not command a room like a Kennedy, Reagan or even a Bill Clinton. Like Hillary, he is seen as more moderate than others, but in her case she adopted Bernie's positions to defeat him and carried those stance into the election, diametrically opposed to what worked for her husband, 24 and 20 years earlier. The extremely long election contest does not favor him.
Biden can go Left early to try to keep Bernie, Kamala, Beto and the gang down, but then lose the moderate edge he supposedly has in the general election. The 24/7/365 public eye no longer allows candidates to change their message for every audience. 'Folks' in the California primary are hearing what the candidates say in Iowa. Barack Obama pulled off the blank canvas, empty words campaign of platitudes in 2008. By 2010, 2012 and 2014, he had a record and was mostly held to more specific stances.
Biden is a human demonstration of how a resume needs to be a list of accomplishments, not just timeline of where you spent your time. For Trump we have a thread and can certainly point to 200-300 major accomplishments easily. For Joe Biden, not so much.
Lastly, he is a gaffe machine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/a-brief-history-of-joe-biden-gaffes-337489987777
What is YOUR favorite Biden gaffe? And what will be the new ones? Do people just laugh those off as old, crazy Joe or are they more serious now that he is running for Commander in Chief, leader of the free world? Is the standard lower because of Trump or do Democrats demand in their candidate a level of accuracy and maturity they don't see in Trump? Time will shortly tell.
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in collusion with United Food and Commercial Workers: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/03/16/workers-unite-the-sanders-campaign-announced-their-staff-is-unionizing-n2543219
what a laugh
no communism here folks - :wink:
from the guy who established sister city in USSR during his mayorial stunt , I mean stint as mayor Burlington NH
someone just told me the cities are no longer "sister"
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"someone just told me the cities are no longer "sister" "
Maybe he lost interest when they were no longer Soviet Socialist.
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VDH's column today expresses a good part of what I was thinking on the race.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/can_trump_win_again_in_2020_139809.html
"the 2020 election is likely Trump's to win or lose"
"Trump does not exist in a vacuum. In 2016, many voters preferred Trump because he was not the unpopular Hillary Clinton. In 2020, there will be an even starker choice. Trump, now an incumbent, will likely run on the premise that he is the only thing standing between voters and socialism."
"The Green New Deal, a wealth tax, a top marginal income tax rate of 70 percent, the abolition of ICE, the abolition of the Electoral College, reparations, legal infanticide as abortion, the cancellation of student debt, free college tuition, Medicare for all and the banning of private insurance plans are not winning, 51 percent issues."
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I would add, yesterday was the 1st day of spring in a race that essentially started after the midterm votes were counted last fall. In these months, no one (other than Trump) has grabbed our attention. Yes it's better to peak later but you have to be in the race later to do that. Beto does not look like Bobby Kennedy, sorry, and he doesn't have a cause. Expunging marijuana conviction records isn't the lead issue for a Commander in Chief. Cory started his gaffes before announcing. Gillibrand brings nothing new. Warren looks like the weakest matchup with Trump, could be the first to drop out. Kamala cannot be the first African American President. She could be the first woman President, but right now some pretty boring men are leading all the women by substantial starting margins.
None of them have talked national security yet and none of them will. It's not a [far Left] Democratic issue.
On Presidential issues, their quest for far-Left justices and to 'pack the Court' also do not pass any 51% threshold.
Hickenlooper is a little more reasonable than others (low bar) but how does he get traction? He built a business, ran a city and a medium sized state, but cannot form a sentence to define socialism or capitalism or give an indication of where he falls on that spectrum. He started a micro brew worth [and Schultz a coffee chain worth billions]; good luck explaining to the left side of the electorate how those important feats made us better off. Trump built a business, sort of. Beto, Kamala, Bernie, Amy, Cory, Biden, Kirsten, etc. didn't. It's not something they recognize as an accomplishment. Don't forget, he opposed pot legalization and he supports fracking!
Polling best against Trump is Bernie and polling best among Democrats is Biden. In either case we know that don't have youth, charisma, accomplishment or any mystique. They don't a record of running anything and we know for sure they don't have another level to raise it to if elevated to the top of the ticket. Bernie can't talk out of both sides of his mouth like Bill Clinton and Biden can't talk out of either.
One of my pet peeves, how come we don't get to vote their national leaders up or down. This crew is the back benchers. Reagan should have run against Tip O'Neill and Trump should be facing off against Pelosi or Schumer. But no. Democrats want the blank slate candidate without the dourness and the baggage. Problem is they aren't blank slate anymore after they endorse the agenda of Ocasio-Chavez.
They search for the next Obama 2008, but this isn't then and Obama's own magic would not work in all situations either. Without ever being confronted by the media, his coattails were gone as soon as his first major legislation passed. He lost the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, was very beatable in 2012 and couldn't get his anointed successor elected in 2016. So much for magic - and permanent majorities!
Trump is readier than anyone since Reagan to run against socialism. That leaves Dems two choices. Run right into the trap or run someone who rejects the only energy people on their side.
As VDH said, this is Trump's to win or lose.
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I fear Mayor Pete more than Bernie Biden Beto Warren Kamala Cory Amy Hickenlooper combined. Another white guy will pass up the women and blacks in the Dem race.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/20/pete_buttigieg_the_most_important_job_of_an_elected_leader_is_to_bring_people_together.html
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-both-the-sizzle-and-the-steak-mayor-pete-a-rising-star-in-the-2020-field-1461913667577
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg
Issues will be the test of how he can be smart, pro-American and win the Dem endorsement at the same time.
Headline: Gay candidate supports back door entry to single payer healthcare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-where-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/all-payer-rate-setting
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A gay guy named Buttigieg? Who is in the Navy? Ah, the jokes write themselves...
If this guy got the nomination, can you imagine how the fiercely heterosexual Cori Booker would be kicking himself...
I fear Mayor Pete more than Bernie Biden Beto Warren Kamala Cory Amy Hickenlooper combined. Another white guy will pass up the women and blacks in the Dem race.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/20/pete_buttigieg_the_most_important_job_of_an_elected_leader_is_to_bring_people_together.html
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/-both-the-sizzle-and-the-steak-mayor-pete-a-rising-star-in-the-2020-field-1461913667577
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg
Issues will be the test of how he can be smart, pro-American and win the Dem endorsement at the same time.
Headline: Gay candidate supports back door entry to single payer healthcare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-does-pete-buttigieg-believe-where-the-candidate-stands-on-7-issues
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/9/8001173/all-payer-rate-setting
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"Bernie Sanders was hit with a complaint [last] week, claiming his presidential campaign violated federal election laws by employing non-Americans in advisory positions. A new complaint by the Coolidge Reagan Foundation filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) notes that three members of the Sanders campaign are foreign nationals, which appears to be a violation of federal election laws that prohibit foreign interference." (Fox New)
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"Bernie Sanders was hit with a complaint [last] week, claiming his presidential campaign violated federal election laws by employing non-Americans in advisory positions. A new complaint by the Coolidge Reagan Foundation filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) notes that three members of the Sanders campaign are foreign nationals, which appears to be a violation of federal election laws that prohibit foreign interference." (Fox New)
As I understand it, that law applies only to Republican campaigns.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437355-tim-ryan-announces-presidential-run
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Good timing, he will be taking Biden's place. Also note that Hick and Amy did not catch on. Considered too 'moderate' to win the nomination but would supposedly pose a challenge to Trump in the 'rust belt' states if nominated.
Watching some youtubes of him, I don't find him or his message appealing, but he should offer a counter to the AOC wing and some fireworks in the debates.
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This is a pretty good backgrounder on Kamala for those of us that don't know her:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/kamala-harris-2020-campaign/586033/
As the pack sorts itself out, and if or when Biden or Bernie sputter, who will emerge? At this point Kamala and Mayor Pete seem to be the only ones who might still be standing.
Harris is trying to avoid taking specific positions but is far Left and will have to go far Left to compete with Bernie, and Bernie looks to be in for the duration.
From the article:
"In Washington, she hasn’t done much—let’s be honest, who in the Senate has in recent years? She introduced a few bills: one, with Kentucky Republican Rand Paul, to study reforming the cash-bail system; another, with 13 Democratic colleagues, to begin addressing the high mortality rates black women face in childbirth. She also introduced, with fellow Democratic presidential candidate Cory Booker and Republican Tim Scott, a bill to make lynching a hate crime."
The more I learn the less I fear her. Obama called her the best looking state Attorney General. Looking closer over a longer period, she isn't that good looking. She certainly has 'color' by leftist definition but she isn't that black. She is bi-racial and not a descendant of American slaves as "black" in the US is often intended to mean. Her husband (she married at 50) is white. Like Obama, she went to all the best schools, didn't overcome some big disadvantage or accomplish something of note. They briefly cover her Willie Brown affair that jump-started her career. She took two tries to pass the California bar. Her DA and AG experience is certainly something of note, but like Amy Klobuchar, they have staff that try cases. It's not like she was some master prosecutor or came to power by winning some amazing case. She increased the conviction rate of her department indicating some competence. She also had controversies.
Mostly from our point of view, she will not be able to separate herself from the far Left people and policies in the general election. Trump wants to run economic success against socialism and she falls perfectly into the trap. Rising to power quickly in California and raising large amounts of money in California does not win over centrists in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, IMHO.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/07/the_young_turks_panel_the_truth_about_pete_buttigieg_hype.html
major lib "more clever than Obama" in pretending he is more in the middle
Don't think he's hasn't got the rich gay donors including those in the MS/entertainment mediums opening up their wallets and willingness to create the "BUZZ" about him.
like they do in the entertainment industry when coming out with new movie or record
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Joe Biden is up by 17 points after his big scandal.
Latest Poll The Hill 4/5-6
Biden 36
Sanders 19
Harris 9
O'Rourke 7
Warren 6
Booker 6
Buttigieg 4
Klobuchar 2
Gillibrand 2
Yang 1
Castro 1
It's a plurality because 64% of his own party aren't with the frontrunner.
Too early of course to say it's over by about a year and a half but this poll is full of useful information. I retract my obit on Biden's candidacy; he just survived his crisis and leads a crowded field by 17 points! He gaffed by joking about it and still leads so he has survived both the touchy feely stuff and the reminder of his gaffe habit. Dems have low standards. I was going to say he is Hillary without the scandals but didn't he intervene with a foreign power to save his son from prosecution?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ukrainian-prosecutor-reopens-corruption-case-involving-biden_2869878.html
This won't stop him if nothing else did.
I guess the Dem nomination will be decided by a plurality, less than a majority all the way through. Biden with his nothingness is in a better position to unite the different interests than Bernie with his soviet specificity. Warren is toast, should be the first to drop out. If she cares about advancing her issues, strangely, Bernie has more appeal. I think I can say beyond political bias, Warren doesn't wear well.
Kamala age 54 is first place of the 'younger' crowd, therefore she is not likely to drop out until mathematically eliminated, if then.
Beto hasn't fizzled yet or caught on. He is of no substance, not likely to pass the others.
People like Buttgig (sp?) but is only at 4% after a big splash (it's early). He's young, more likely to be VP than win top of the ticket. By taking on Pence yesterday, he may already be running for VP.`
By embracing a reparations commission, Booker is going after a niche. If blacks go with Booker and Harris, that leaves Bernie and Biden support looking very white.
Klobuchar, raised some money, is not catching on. Hickenlooper not even mentioned. Tim Ryan likewise, no one clamoring for him to get more attention. I guess they are running in the Biden lane. If Biden holds where he is, they have no role in the race. Gillibrand is running as a woman, probably needs one more strength and doesn't have it. Harris might win those genital specific voters. Julian Castro, if he hasn't caught on yet why would he later?
From my point of view I guess the wish is for all of these lightweights to do well and split the vote. The better young Mayor Pete looks in the debates the worse Dems look for choosing old Biden. The better Kamala does, the more the vote splits, lowering the support of the front runners. The better Bernie does, the more divided the party is. The better Biden does, the more likely the next generation gets locked out for another cycle.
Both Biden and Bernie will be older during the campaign than Reagan was leaving office after two terms.
Like Chris Christy, those with dying campaigns who stay in will need to attack frontrunners to stay relevant. Bernie needs to differentiate from Biden and Kamala from both of them unless this just going to be a boring, substance-free lovefest coronation.
If Dems go moderate, the energy of the party is left out. If Dems go far left, a moderate independent will jump in to the general election and divide the vote.
Our flawed candidate looks better and better as you see the alternatives.
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https://presscorp.org/news/trump-job-approval-jumps-to-53
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Trump predicts 'Crazy Bernie Sanders,' 'Sleepy Joe Biden' will be 2 Dem 'finalists' in 2020 race
Trump is not a disinterested party so this is most likely gamesmanship.
At this point Bernie has the crowd enthusiasm and plenty of money. His only stumble is to be himself, an admitted socialist, and that does not scare off his supporters. Somehow old is endearing to his young supporters. Bernie has the energy. His plurality, 16-29% (of Democrats) in different polls is enough to win and hold delegates all the way to the convention no matter what else happens. His national general election polls aren't a disqualifier either, just a little weaker than Biden but leading Trump before the campaign begins.
Warren is not catching on but also competes for delegates and white women(?) if she stays in.
Buttigieg is the "flavor of the month", offers an alternative, is not conservative or moderate and is not trusted by the Left. He will win all of the male gay vote and plenty of white elites. He is a VP possibility especially if a woman wins the nomination. A male Democratic nominee will presumably have to choose a woman for VP.
Beto is a bust. Latest is that he gave 0.2% of his married wealth income to charity. He answers by saying he is giving himself instead of money, by running for President to save us. He adds noting to the race.
Hick, Amy, Inslee, etc, also nothing.
Is Kamala Harris the next flavor of the month? She is an almost black woman in a party of identity politics. California has a lot of Democrat delegates assuming she is popular there. At the least, she and Corey Booker can pull black votes away from Bernie, Beto, Biden and Buttiegig. Mayor Pete already apologized for his 'crowds' being "too white". If the black activists get invested in black candidates and it gets contentious, they don't switch back enthusiastically to the eventual white at top of the ticket. cf. Hillary. That gives an advantage back to Harris. But what else sets her apart, not policy, not accomplishments, not life story.
And then there is Joe Biden. How does that gaffe machine last one year and two months to the convention? If he does, it will be unconvincingly, leading but not clinching if things look at all then like they do now. He reminds me of Hillary. Great resume if you just look at the places they've been and not what they;'ve accomplished. Weak, over-rated candidate.
So Trump gets to either run against weak or run against socialism. Polls that show Biden recently up by 13 make me think Trump could win 35 states.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/a-reckoning-is-in-store-for-democrats-in-2020/
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best we can do is stand firm against the hysteria and win house, senate, and wh in '20
we are going to have to endure the crap for the next almost 2 yrs
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I hope they all stay in but it must be discouraging to put all that effort into Iowa New Hampshire and have your poll ratings near zero or in the single digits an falling.
Elizabeth Warren in Iowa, dropped from 9 to 6 in the last month in Iowa, dropped from 9-5 in her own neighboring New Hampshire. Switched to talking impeachment now that Trump was exonerated. Good luck Liz!
Amy Klobuchar whose only chance is Iowa to catch on (because she speaks midwestern?) is at 4 in Iowa. Even if she was at 100% of Democrats she would be underdog to win an electoral vote in Iowa. Amy at 2% in NH. Rounds easily to zero with margin of error included.
Gillibrand at 1, Julian Castro at zero, way to lock in that women and Hispanic vote.
Booker falls from 6 top 4 in Iowa, after how many appearances?
Kamala Harris fell from 10 to 6 in Iowa, fell from 7 to 4 in NH. Maybe she wasn't tough enough accusing boy scout Kavanaugh of being a gang rape organizer.
Beto at 5% of Democrats in Iowa. Add to all these, zero percent of Republicans. Beto dropped from 6 to 3 in NH. At that rate he hits zero in May unless his mom lives there.
The more people get to know the candidates, the less they like them.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html
Mayor Pete (on the upswing) is Not Ready [to 'inundate people with policy minutia'], because his historic 7% support will drop instantly with specifics. Plus he's still working on municipal sewer issues.
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/2020-democrats-radical-policies/?utm_medium=email
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I don't believe the Biden poll where he is ahead of Trump by 8
the day after he announces suddenly this comes out to re write the landscape
we will see
that said the Dems doing great damage to Trump who then in turns falls right into the traps they set for him.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/46381/report-mccain-family-will-back-joe-biden-bid-emily-zanotti?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=042519-news&utm_campaign=position1
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5507429/Bidens-son-Hunter-deal-Bank-China-fathers-trip.html
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I don't believe the Biden poll where he is ahead of Trump by 8
the day after he announces suddenly this comes out to re write the landscape
we will see
that said the Dems doing great damage to Trump who then in turns falls right into the traps they set for him.
ccp, I don't believe it either but Biden or Democrats leading Trump in polls up until election day is not inconsistent with either Trump winning 35 states or Trump losing the election. Most likely as you suggest the poll with the campaign launch is designed to intimidate opponents and create its own truth and momentum. Polling lead is the only strength he has. Pull that curtain and he nothing else to lean on.
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Make America grope again!
(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/handsy_biden_logo_4-25-19-1-800x737.jpg)
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he could deliver "the cancer vote" to the Dems
since they are all about identity politics
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first guy running for a major political office with prostate cancer :
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/sen-michael-bennet-everything-know-presidential-candidate-121837027--abc-news-topstories.html
actually Guliani already deserves that honor come to think of it.
And I am not mocking anyone with cancer, (not funny) but just displaying the absurdity of the Dem identity politics game which is a joke
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/us/politics/nancy-pelosi.html?ad-keywords=SMARTNEWS12&fbclid=IwAR0tBDPiSlfje-fkXwcQdV7qqCCyZwtpzw02sOqwT74OdGBibz8uwLD4WHE
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Just as Hickenlooper was about to take off (sarc.), his former chief of staff jumps in.
Former Denver schools superintendent, for editor of Yale law review, he jumped in with not much fanfare. As a generic Democrat, "pragmatic idealist", I would like to answer his (boring monotone) Meet the Press appearance yesterday point by point - just for practice. Someone should have interrupted him and called him out on Democrat nonsense.
By singling him out the unnoticed for criticism, I probably help him more than I hurt him. Here is Michael Bennet with one T.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-5-2018-n1002141
"I believe that the freest kind of government is self-government, and that we have an obligation to preserve the democratic institutions that 230 years of Americans have preserved for us, and that our children are going to need to resolve their differences, but we seem to be so cavalier about destroying. And you know, the idea that we're going to run down the rathole that the Freedom Caucus has taken us down over the last ten years, in their tyrannical way, I think would be a huge mistake[/b]."
- He ties "freedom caucus" to "tyranny"? By what stretch of logic? No one follows up this contradiction? Democrats always need to start their argument with a lie.
"You know, I think, based on the polling that you just cited, where, where the majority of people say that the House should continue to investigate, and then we should make a decision, down the road, about whether to impeach or not and then, obviously, to convict or not in the Senate, I think that's exactly right. And that's what we should do."
- Running for leader of the free world, he would follow the polling. Bold. Aren't lead and follow exact opposites. Investigate more where there is no evidence of a crime. Why? Democratic polls.
"You know, Mueller should testify. We should have the full, unredacted report."
- Break Grand Jury rules? Disrupt ongoing investigations? Why not. Chuck Todd isn't going to call him out on this either. Surprise.
"obvious -- I mean, to me, it seems fairly clear, from the evidence, that he has committed impeachable offenses."
- Name one? Conspira-bstruction?
"Well, I agree, first of all, with the Democrats that you quoted earlier in the program, that Mueller ought to resign. It's disgraceful, what he's done, how he’s behaved --
CHUCK TODD:
You mean Mueller or Barr? You mean Barr, right?
SEN. MICHAEL BENNET:
"I'm sorry, Barr, Barr."
- How come the Yale people aren't really any smarter than the rest of us. But if Trump mis-speaks, he's a moron. Still, what about his intended point. Barr should resign - for being honest? For following the rule of law? For not agreeing to be bullied, smeared?
[Summarizing Mueller's work] "he could not clear the president of committing the crime of - of conspir -- of, of obstruction."
- Oops, (1) mis-speak again. (2) Mueller's job wasn't to clear innocent people, and (3)obstruction of what? The crimes committed by the deep state? Again, Yale law school and shows no knowledge of the law or legal process. Worse understanding than a layman, or is he just dishonestly pandering to the sheep?
CHUCK TODD:
All right, let me move to, if you run against Donald Trump. Because I want to show you these economic numbers: 3.6% unemployment, 263,000 jobs created in April, 3.2% wages, are, 3.2% wage increase. Consumer confidence is fairly high. Look, there are a lot of voters out there who say, "All right, I don't like Donald Trump's character. But the economy is humming. And I vote pocketbook." What do you talk -- How do you convince that voter not to vote their pocketbook, if they like this economy?
SEN. MICHAEL BENNET:
So I’d say -- No, people will, people will vote their pocketbook. [Trump wins.] But Chuck, we're in the tenth year of a recovery that started in 2009, when Barack Obama was president. If you look at the job-creation numbers along that trajectory, over that ten years, [There wasn't one trajectory; there was stagnation and there was growth. He is not a math guy I guess.] it goes just like this. So Donald Trump is elected in the last two years. And I will confess, even he couldn't screw up the momentum that we had been going on for the eight years that he got elected. [So Trump didn't screw things up.] The difficulty is that, when you're in a state like mine, Colorado, which has one of the most-dynamic economies in the world, not just in America, people still -- most people can't afford housing. They can't afford healthcare. They can't afford higher education. They can't afford early childhood education. [Democrat-run wasn't the solution and THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE EXACT MARKETS THAT GOVERNMENT ENTERED AND CONTROLS, MAKING ALL THEIR MAJOR IDEAS WRONG.] They can't afford a middle-class lifestyle. And Donald Trump has done nothing to help with that [Grow wages finally- where Democrats couldn't, didn't.], nothing to help with that. Second point I would make is, even if you feel like he's done the right thing by cutting taxes, which I don't, because he cut taxes on the wealthiest people in America, mostly, even if you feel like he's done the right thing in a regulatory way or taken on China in a way you like, the fact that he has built his entire political career on dividing Americans, not uniting Americans, on destroying our institutions, on going after the free press, on violating the rule of law and being proud of that, on playing patsy to dictators, like Putin and the North Korea dictator just this week. [Pivot off the question, admit losing.] I mean, here, he's saying, "I'm with him." He says, "I'm with him. I know he wouldn't do anything to hurt his economy." North Koreans are starving, because of what he and his father have done to their economy. So we got to keep our eye -- There are many, many ways that Donald Trump's threadbare record is available to us to beat him in November 2020. It would be a disaster, if we lost to him again.
- Did he really just say that rich Coloradans can't afford early childhood education because of Trump? Watch for his surge in the polls on that! I don't know where NK is heading, but it wasn't in the question and Trump is the one who has called them out and started to deal with the threat unlike predecessors in both parties.
I think he can't construct a complete sentence or a coherent thought, not because he's dumb or Yale Law School doesn't teach that, but because he knows Trump is doing a great job and deserves reelection. He has to dissemble to speak against obvious truth. It would be easier for him to switch sides and embrace truth. )
He agreed the Trump economy is great. He identified Russia and NK as threats, same as what Trump is addressing and he identified the Democrat attempts to control housing, healthcare and higher education sectors as failures while the free markets succeed.
All good arguments to vote Trump.
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He traveled 1300 miles to speak to exactly 24 people. 3 were from NY and one was from Nebraska covering the event for Powerline:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/dave-begley-live-from-sioux-city.php
"event was in a very large room and the candidate had to compete with ten patrons ten feet from him who were eating and laughing away while completely ignoring him."
Running for President isn't as glamorous as it sounds.
Green New Deal requires banning cattle - in Iowa - and banning air travel. Good luck with that.
Let me guess, de Blasio flew there and ate beef on the trip.
I wonder what percent of blue collar Sioux City thinks all the good ideas come out of NYC or wants to be governed by liberals on the coasts.
It reminds me of a David Burge Iowahawk question submitted to his reelection facebook townhall:
An $8 billion high speed train leaves Chicago for Iowa City at 8:15am at 40mph. Why?
https://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/07/questions-so-many-questions.html
For the record, Trump beat the former Senator from NY - Hillary by 10 points in swing state Iowa, 2016, winning 93 out of 99 counties, and he has been a far better President than ANYONE expected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Iowa
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As soon as I hear someone on the Left or sometimes the Right as well that he / she is the one to unite this country I turn around and run away as fast as possible.
Yes I can unite says Joe (as long as we have a Democrat Party agenda with maybe one or two irrelevant minor tiny bones thrown out to conservatives:
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/biden-was-projecting-when-he-called-trump-divider-in-chief/
He needs to be Borked.
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As soon as I hear someone on the Left or sometimes the Right as well that he / she is the one to unite this country I turn around and run away as fast as possible.
Yes I can unite says Joe (as long as we have a Democrat Party agenda with maybe one or two irrelevant minor tiny bones thrown out to conservatives:
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/biden-was-projecting-when-he-called-trump-divider-in-chief/
He needs to be Borked.
Project (the verb) is what they do and it is surprisingly effective.
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Biden: This growth is from the Obama administration. Really?
Butti: unnecessary tax cut for the very wealthiest, blah, blah.
I suppose it was unnecessary deregulation too, unless you like economic growth including wage growth and manufacturing jobs growth. That wouldn't affect 40% of blacks living below the poverty line in South Bend Indiana, would it?
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1467.msg77640#msg77640
Political Economics, War on Wealth is not the cure for poverty!
A war on income inequality is a war on wealth. A successful war on wealth means that poverty will be even more widespread. Instead of celebrating and wealth creation and spreading it to others, we punish it, demonize it, and instead reward the opposite - in all its manifestations.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110804/news/708049975/
Food stamp use nearly doubles in suburbs
The Sharp Rise in Disability Claims
http://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/region_focus/2012/q2-3/pdf/feature3.pdf
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/90609000-americans-not-labor-force-climbs-another-record
90,609,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Climbs to Another Record - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/90609000-americans-not-labor-force-climbs-another-record#sthash.jTKlYqis.dpuf
Women leaving the U.S. workforce in record numbers
http://www.catholic.org/business/story.php?id=46145
Unemployed women hit an all-time historical high of 53,321,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11098797/#.Uqc8ZH8v1hs
U.S. savings rate hits lowest level since 1933
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-29/us-savings-rate-near-record-low-capita-disposable-income-below-december-2006-level
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-food-stamp-spending-up-100-percent-since-obama-took-office/
Food Stamp spending up 100% since Obama-(Biden) took office.
Yeah, Obama started all this, right.
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https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-general-mattis-planned-primary-run-against-trump-pence-was-also-considered-nikki-haley-was-tested-as-running-mate/
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Butti and Seth (something) who served are criticizing Trump for avoiding military service in Vietnam. Trump received 4 deferments for college and then was classified 1-Y, later called 4-F, unfit for military service because of bone spurs that Little Butti calls false.
Search NY Times Donald Trump Draft Record Aug 1 2016 or see:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/02/donald-trumps-draft-deferments/
Interestingly, Joe Biden had the exact same record with having had "Asthma" as a teenager as the stated reason for the 1-Y classification.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/biden-got-5-draft-deferments-during-nam-as-did-cheney-1.884250
(They couldn't write a story on Biden without comparing to Cheney.)
Connect those two dots. Not wanting to be first to attack the frontrunner fellow Democrat, Butti is criticizing Biden for his military service avoidance in the most cowardly way possible, by attacking Trump and letting others spill the question over to Slow Joe.
If you have a problem with Biden's military service, say so. If you are attacking both, attack both. This is a just a bit to transparent to be unintentional.
In fact Trump did serve in the military for 4 years - as COMMANDER IN CHIEF. He served voluntarily in that position with plenty of opportunities to step down, not as lieutenant in the reserves if we are going to make comparisons in leadership and experience.
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"Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) apologizes to staff on his 2018 Senate campaign for being a “giant asshole” "
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445798-hbo-documentary-shows-beto-orourke-apologizing-to-staffers-for-being-a
- Not the candidate that I thought would see himself as a “giant asshole”.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2019/05/22/beto-orourke-town-hall-drags-cnn-ratings-down-30/#7c958373196f
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Bye bye beto
for '20
but he'll be back
in some way he will figure out how to be on the news
they always do.
they don't just fade away
they have to be shoved off the stage
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Biden 36, Sanders 17, Harris 8, Warren 5, Buttigieg 5, O'Rourke 4
It's so early that nothing matters, but still ...
They are the ones who decided their race started so early and not one of them outside of perhaps Biden is seen as Presidential - by even their own supporters.
Butti: no traction after the big roll out.
If Warren dropped out and she won't, and transferred all her support to Bernie, it gives him almost nothing.
If Hickenlooper, Bennett, Klobuchar or Inslee dropped out, no one would know.
Biden is a leader of nothing. This group lacks a leader. We've already heard all their positive arguments. Now they only advance by the stumbles of their competitors
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some thoughts from Doug's post:
1 ) Where is Sparticus ?
I did a 7 th grade report on Sparticus ~ 1968. (Can you imagine we had Latin class in those days - at least I got to learn how to count Roman numerals.) Amazing story .
The "neo Sparticus" not so much.
2) We know why Harris is even at 8 % - due to demographics - not talent or policies
3) hard to believe Beto is still even as high as 4 %
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real clear politics:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/04/is_gops_senate_majority_in_more_peril_than_we_think.html
The only constant is Trump .
We know his policies
We know his style
We know he cannot change
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It's stupid to follow polls this early but...
The latest poll has the same 5 names on top as the previous but with narrowing of the gaps.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
1. Biden, 2. Bernie. Old white men with slightly different stripes from a Dem point of view. Neither will win the nomination.
Next is Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, two women and a gay with no differentiation in policies if they actually have any policies.
Most interesting is that none of the 19 others are getting any traction.
As always, no party leader in Washington will run for top of the party. Not Pelosi, not Steny Hoyer, not Schumer and not Durbin. They never considered running Tip O'Neill against Reagan and now they have absolutely no interest in seeing how these people who fight Trump everyday would do against him in a national contest. The search for the Obama-like blank slate continues. The less experience the better and so we get the utility billing guru from the second best run city in South Bend County.
Biden was caught in another plagiarism scandal in addition to all his other weaknesses. Warren is divisive. The more she excites her base, the more she energizes the right and turns off the rest of the country. Bernie and Warren are driving in the same lane, the anti-American dream lane. Buttigieg has no appeal so far beyond white elites but has nearly perfected the blank canvas.
14% approve of the job Congress is doing. Bernie, Warren and Harris currently serve in Congress and Biden who had no role in the Obama administration came from there.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html
Where are the two or more term, purple state governors?
Bullock? Hickenlooper?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/2020-candidates-president-guide/582598/
Take Beto lightly at your own risk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=9hV7h1DuotU
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https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/06/11/poll-biden-leading-trump-up-from-2016-with-hispanic-and-black-voters/
This is only one poll and very early
but we know Trump is not going to change
so if this many people are against him then it is because of his style
And this is why I think he is in trouble. He just cannot win over an extra 10 % with his style.
Hope I am wrong............. :-o
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https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/06/11/poll-biden-leading-trump-up-from-2016-with-hispanic-and-black-voters/
This is only one poll and very early
but we know Trump is not going to change
so if this many people are against him then it is because of his style
And this is why I think he is in trouble. He just cannot win over an extra 10 % with his style.
Hope I am wrong............. :-o
This poll isn't right but Quinnipiac is as (un) reliable as any of them. (How much did they have Hillary winning by at this point last time?) They are reputable enough that I trust they talked to 1200 people. Someone else can find out the bias of this sample. They ask registered voters instead of likely voters, which is dumb and strangely not figured into the statistical error. Polling companies don't even try to be accurate early. Some poll has Biden leading Trump in Texas. Like Trump winning Calif, these things only happen in a landslide - and this isn't going to be one.
Trumps approval and popularity is significantly better than when he beat Hillary and Biden will not be a stronger candidate than her. Also, Biden won't be the candidate (and the race is not a national poll).
To Biden's credit, Trump seems to fear him, so maybe Trump's polls are showing Biden strength too.
Biden will have to run wacko-Left to win endorsing, erasing some of his centrist support. And Biden has not yet experienced Trump truly going after his easy to find weaknesses and he most certainly will.
Where people have money on the line, Trump has even odds and Biden is a long shot at second. https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
Some Trump voters are not going to tell that to pollsters. That doesn't make up for 13 points but it is and will be a part of it.
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https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/who-will-make-final-four-democratic-field
Biden, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg
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"To Biden's credit, Trump seems to fear him, so maybe Trump's polls are showing Biden strength too."
Trump's attacks are intended to bolster Bad Touch Grandpa with the left. Bad Touch will still have to go hard left to win the nomination, then alienate the working class whites that are on the bubble between Trump and Bad Touch.
As far as the polls, the vast majority are just trying to push-poll the public.
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A lot of the really smart people (sarc.) think Harris will emerge as the nominee. part of the logic is that she will pick up all those California delegates and then be acceptable to all as the others stumble.
LA Times poll today has Biden Bernie and Warren all leading Harris in California and booty not far behind. Early polls mostly don't matter but if Californians don't prefer her, no one will.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-6879.html
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Night One: June 26
Cory Booker
Julián Castro
Bill de Blasio
John Delaney
Tulsi Gabbard
Jay Inslee
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Elizabeth Warren
Night Two: June 27
Michael Bennet
Joseph R. Biden Jr.
Pete Buttigieg
Kirsten Gillibrand
Kamala Harris
John Hickenlooper
Bernie Sanders
Eric Swalwell
Marianne Williamson
Andrew Yang
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Shortly after LA Times poll showed Harris running 4th in Calif, a new poll shows the 'popular' MN Senator Klobuchar running 4th in Minnesota. [5th really because Trump will likely carry MN.] She is the choice of only 16% of Democrats in her home state. She has a better chance in Iowa where people don't know her.
http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-poll-puts-klobuchar-in-fourth-place/511361891/
Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential? Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie.
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"Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential? Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie."
No
but the polls Drudge keeps showing us are not encouraging.
If one defines "presidential" as including an honorable character then polls may be showing
the middle of the roaders have had enough of the character we have now in office.
I hope the polls are wrong and we do have a ton of time left .
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html
"Does anyone see any of the so called top tier candidates as Presidential? Not Harris, not Klobuchar (not top tier), not Warren, not Biden, not Butti, not Booker, not Gillibrand and certainly not Bernie."
No
but the polls Drudge keeps showing us are not encouraging.
If one defines "presidential" as including an honorable character then polls may be showing
the middle of the roaders have had enough of the character we have now in office.
I hope the polls are wrong and we do have a ton of time left .
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html"
True but he did lose the pop vote and he barely one in the iron belt states and due to a perfect outcome in Wi, Mi, Pa, Ohio, he did win electoral college. And to my knowledge he simply has not expanded his base. And I believe it is HIS character that is why he is stuck in 40s.
He could have just as much fight in him without the tweets the silly name calling making unnecessary enemies etc.
That all said I am pulling for him .
no one else would have gotten this far on the Repub side.
If we get butti pochahontas, obama lite plugs, the reparations queen , and bernie kruschev we can then kiss the nation goodbye forever.
If character is the reason he may be polling bad then he is in real trouble . We know he can't change.
We could only hope enough people will see the Leftist as worse. Same as 2016.
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2016 score was 304 to 227 and some of her state wins were closer than his. It was close but it was a shellacking in that he ran the table on those states.
Trump has gained with blacks, women and Hispanics since then. 5 or 10 points on the margin matter in key demographic groups. He has a strong argument to make with gays as well if Butti is not the nominee.
These polls are wrong but a good early warning that he needs to behave, get his act together and play a perfect hand to win again. Early polls were wrong with Carter, Reagan, Clinton and I don't know who else but that already makes more wrong than right and Trump out performs his polls because it isn't very fun to say you support Trump in a lot of circles.
The key generic determinant is the economy. What are the growth numbers in Q1, Q2 and Q3 2020 which we obviously don't know yet. What will be the public perception of the foreign policy issues that will dominate the news at that time, we obviously don't know yet.
The Dem nominee, let's say it's Biden, Butti or Harris, needs to turn left to win that and turn to the center to win the general, meanwhile take incoming arrows from Trump who has the bully pulpit. How can the opponent not also be damaged goods in the end? This will not an Obama v. McCain fight happening with no incumbent and a historically collapsing economy.
His trash talk of grabbing pussy and the Stormy Cohen Avanati thing is way behind him. He is a model husband now. ) The Russian collusion story sets him up to run as the underdog and outsider against the swamp and the system - again.
Like a long baseball season, all you can do is make every pitch, every swing of the bat, every ground ball throw out to first matter for every player on the team.
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yeah but the tweeting hurts him more than it helps in my ho
then calling everyone names is just beyond not helpful
and stop doing LONG standing Democrat OPERATIVE faux jornolist(er) stefadouche interviews - lying slimeball - remember when he first came on the scene for clinton with his starbucks coffees lying and sleazing every answer to every question that was thrown at him. he was the first one to spin everything around beyond any common sense that I would think of. Now it is common to do this but he brought it to a higher sleaze level from what I remember......
Trump of course thinks he is the smartest person in every room but is still too freakin impulsive that he could not resist blurting out his first impulsive thought
I mean . , why would Trump go on this guys show if he wasn't convinced of his brilliance that he could handle Step who very fox like handled him instead.
Well another reason for the poll numbers I guess could be the tariffs ......
Or that the LEFT juggernaught is finally having the effect it intends ......
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ccp, I agree so you and I may be two among millions who disapprove but will vote for him.
This will be an election for the House, Senate, Presidency, and the Supreme Court and Democrats are running hard Left. If you have any non-Leftist leanings, you will have one choice for President.
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https://medium.com/@AmyforAmerica/amys-first-100-days-b7adf9f91262
nearly all social justice stuff and reversing EVERYTHING Trump has accomplished - over night .
Gotta love this one:
***Restore protections for journalists and protect the First Amendment. Senator Klobuchar will restore former Attorney General Eric Holder’s guidance on protections for journalists so that they are not jailed for doing their jobs.***
Can anyone name a single journalist in jail in the US?
No one on the right is shutting up journalists. It is all coming from the LEFT
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https://medium.com/@AmyforAmerica/amys-first-100-days-b7adf9f91262
nearly all social justice stuff and reversing EVERYTHING Trump has accomplished - over night .
Gotta love this one:
***Restore protections for journalists and protect the First Amendment. Senator Klobuchar will restore former Attorney General Eric Holder’s guidance on protections for journalists so that they are not jailed for doing their jobs.***
Can anyone name a single journalist in jail in the US?
No one on the right is shutting up journalists. It is all coming from the LEFT
**The left projects more than a movie theater.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms
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This does not appear to written by a supporter of Trump.
1. The economy, the state of the US economy is excellent.
2. Moderate Republicans got what they wanted, tax cuts etc.
The Christian Right got what the wanted, Gorsuch, Kavannaugh etc.
Trump core supporters will stick with him to build the wall, drain the swamp, etc.
3. Majority of Americans are uninspired by a divided Democrat party.
4. Trump actually runs a very effective campaign.
He is popular enough to be (comfortably) re-elected.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/20/four-reasons-why-trump-is-cruising-towards-re-election
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Pretty good recap here of a debate last night that more than 97% of Americans did not watch.
One main point stands out, they all agreed to but constantly fought the socialistic division of time available to them. "I want more time." "No, I want more time!" And the winner was ... ... ... Donald Trump. Night two tonight. We can hear about utility billing in South Bend and getting along with segregationists - in your own party.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274144/debate-losers-daniel-greenfield
On a sweltering night in Miami’s Arsht Center for the Performing Arts, a 90-year-old building slightly older than Joe Biden, 9 candidates with no shot at anything and the tenth, the first fake Native American candidate, gathered to humiliate and be humiliated on national television.
On a set designed to look like a cardboard cutout White House, 10 cardboard cutouts of candidates, hoping to sit in the real White House, frantically searched for their 15 seconds of fame, while ignoring moderator questions and going over time.
All the millionaire candidates agreed that the economy wasn't working for ordinary Americans like the ones they see on TV.
The speeches about the misery suffered by ordinary Americans in a booming economy at the hands of giant evil corporations fell flat to a base in which a third of Democrat primary voters earn over $100,000.
"Who is this economy working for?" Elizabeth Warren asked, doing a hand hatchet chop in a tribute to her imaginary Native American heritage while claiming that it was just working for those at the top.
Like her.
Not only was Warren wealthier than most of the other candidates on stage, but she was called on three times as often.
As part of their commitment to redistribution, the socialist candidates redistributed each other’s time. But, despite their supposed commitment to redistribution, they resisted speaking time socialism.
This was supposed to be a debate and the moderators did try to ask occasionally challenging questions, while the candidates courageously evaded and avoided them and instead delivered prepared speeches attacking Trump and insisting that the economy wasn't working for most people who weren’t as rich as them.
Instead of going after Warren, the field of starving losers went after the weakest member of the herd who still had a few percentage points to his fake name. Bill de Blasio and Julian Castro jumped on Beto O’Rourke, like starving hyenas pouncing on a midget gazelle, in an orgy of blood and talking points.
Despite O’Rourke’s Kennedyesque buck teeth, he went down like a marshmallow.
Democrats wondering how he would perform in a debate against President Trump could only imagine the hipster being slapped around a stage for three debates straight.
Castro and Bill de Blasio went after O’Rourke from the left in a radical primary where the moderates were on the run and the only acceptable non-radical position was protecting union health care plans.
Julian Castro declared that transgender people aborting babies should be paid for by taxpayers as his idea of “reproductive justice”. Then he demanded that the other candidates agree to legalize illegal migration or be forced to listen to him practice enunciating, “Guatemala.”
Elizabeth Warren delivered all her remarks in the hysterical pitch of a paranoid schizophrenic grandma demanding to know why all the songs on the radio are telling her to kill her parrot. That included a call to take away everyone’s health insurance and replace it with filmstrips of Karl Marx lifting weights.
Bill de Blasio smirked his way through a call for a 70% tax rate. "There's plenty of money in this world," he gloated. "It's just in the wrong hands."
The wrong hands were any but his own oversized mitts which clenched greedily at the touch of money.
The moment they had a chance the 2020 losers, whose campaigns never even took off, launched into one single factoid that would make them stand out to the audience of confused viewers wondering who they were and where Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden were.
Cory Booker reminded viewers and voters at every opportunity that he was not only African-American, but lived in a "low-income" black community. Booker claimed that people had been shot on his block. His neighbors have said that he hardly shows up at his official New Jersey address.
He actually lives near a miniature indoor golf course in Washington D.C.
"As an African-American man in an African-American community," Booker began one of his speeches, convinced that the audience would forget he was black unless he reminded them of it every time.
Julian Castro claimed that his working-class background meant that he knew what it was like to rent a house. Castro, who doesn't speak Spanish, pronounced "Jose", "Oscar" and "Honduras" with the exaggerated care of a white Dos Equis pitchman.
Tulsi Gabbard constantly reminded viewers that she had served in the military. Tim Ryan wanted people to remember that he was from Ohio. Not everyone in Ohio was as happy to be associated with him.
John Delaney wanted people to know that they would never have to look at him after this night.
Beto O'Rourke randomly broke out into awkward Spanish while Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren looked on in horror. Booker's horror was understandable. He had memorized his own speech in bad Spanish and Beto's stunt had upstaged his stunt.
The high school Spanish got worse with a panicked O'Rourke being asked a question in Spanish.
Bill de Blasio announced that what set him apart from all the other candidates was raising a black son.
And then there were the bizarre and goofy proposals.
Jay Inslee promised to put union members to work in the wind turbines of the future, offering two contradictory proposals in one.
"We must understand that this is a climate crisis, emergency," Jay Inslee rasped. "I am the candidate who said this has to be the top priority."
Tim Ryan called for "trauma-based care in every school" and announced that he wanted to "dominate the solar industry".
Cory Booker claimed that African-American transgender people were being lynched.
Tulsi Gabbard claimed that appeasing Iran would put the American people first.
The single most shameless moment may have come when Bill de Blasio, who refuses to use his father’s last name, Wilhelm, tried to exploit his father’s service in WW2.
The highlight of the loser debate was when a technical malfunction shut down the debate at the top of the second hour. Rachel Maddow, a Russia conspiracy theorist, somehow exercised enough restraint not to shout, “It’s the Russians. They’re finally here.”
But Maddow brought her own obsession with locking up Trump to the table, demanding to know if the President of the United States might be impeached and forced to watch MSNBC for the rest of his life.
Indeed, despite all the obsession with a Russian conspiracy, Beto O’Rourke was the first candidate to mention Russia, 95 minutes into the debate. Russia, as a topic, did not come up until the very end of the debate when more candidates cited the weather as the greatest geopolitical threat than Russia.
A technical malfunction was the perfect embodiment of a technical malfunction of a debate of losers.
9 politicians with no future met up on a stage, made promises that they don’t understand and will never be able to keep, recited simplistic talking points, and doubled down on every radical position.
And the tenth, Senator Elizabeth Warren out-radicalized them all.
The losers would almost all clamber back into the Iran nuclear sellout. Almost all of them wanted to ban guns, borders, and the economy. None of them had much in the way of a plan.
All of them had rhetoric.
And that’s all the loser debate amounted to.
9 losers with less chance of becoming president than freezing to death in a Miami summer met on a neon stage. Don’t bother remembering their names. By 2020, you won’t hear them again.
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"One main point stands out, they all seemed to fight the socialistic division of time available."
:-D
Whenever eluding to Trump they all say "no one is above the law"
while the rest of the time telling us 20 million people who came here illegally all are. :-P
We just heard on Project Veritas how Google manipulates everything in favor of the Democrats. One guy on the other night telling us how Google can manipulate our thoughts enough to swindle 15 million voters "WITHOUT THEM EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT"
YET NOW we are being told to believe who has the most Google searches after the debate. I will never believe ANYTHING GOOGLE SAYS , MEASURES , OR CLAIMS.
So if Julian Castro had 10 searches previously and last night got 2,000 he is up 200 times but still only 2,000 people.
Maybe another manipulation of statistics to give a false impression ?
Someone should ask Julian if he would pick his twin as his running mate.
(or AG?) . He could get the "TWIN vote".
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Yes, the google lookup score I heard was won by Tulsi Gabbard(?) who was raised in a cult.
Taking identity politics to the limit, one of them pushed for better abortion rights for trans women - who are biological men and generally don't have a uterus.
My guess is that Trump was going to lose that vote anyway. No harm done.
Very extreme politics on display. This is not a race to capture the center.
The economy is only performing well for the very few while wages and employment are at record highs for every major Democratic constituency. Snopes and PolitiFact are blank at this hour. Cat got your tongue??
Wash Post "fact checker" found some errors:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/27/fact-checking-first-democratic-debate/?utm_term=.02d21810c153
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Democrats say only the top 1% benefited from Trump's economic policies. Rasmussen says more than 50% say they benefited. Tax Policy Center says 80% of taxpayers benefited from tax reform. I say 100% benefited but some did not want to.
Booker brags that he lives in a neighborhood with gunfire at night, a city where he was recently in charge of reducing violence. He actually lives in an upscale DC neighborhood next to a miniature golf course.
NBC News recap says Amy K "underperformed". That's hard to do when you look at where she started, at zero.
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My theory is that Tulsi Gabbard wasn't the most searched because people thought she was Presidential. That's not what people use the internet for...
(https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ScreenHunter-1478-696x752.jpg)
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"My theory is that Tulsi Gabbard wasn't the most searched because people thought she was Presidential. That's not what people use the internet for..."
Her favorite color is red I notice.
she is only 38.
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Dang!
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AFter 8 yrs of Joe standing alongside the first half Black president we find out he is a racist all along......... :-P
Race card again.........
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I keep meaning to post something, but as soon as I see Tulsi, I forget.
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I thinks she has locked up the young hetero male vote......
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Truly an impressive photo there , , ,
Endeavoring to return to the subject at hand , , ,
"Free health care for illegals who will be caught and released for the parking ticket violation of entering the country illegally and/or through the asylum petition loophole" , , , helluva platform , , ,
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expressed goal - beat Trump
real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power.
citizens get chucked out the window.
if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything
George Will and the never trumpers thinks this is not a problem.
even Nikkie Haley thinks this is fine
sure - we just need to turn them into Constitutionalists and we win!
:x
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"expressed goal - beat Trump. real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power. citizens get chucked out the window. if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything"
THIS.
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"expressed goal - beat Trump. real goal - turn as many states blue to forever maintain power. citizens get chucked out the window. if we can't get enough citizens to vote for Dems then open of the borders and promise them everything"
THIS.
Yup.
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Some of his numbers dramatically understate things, but the big gist of it is on target:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html?fbclid=IwAR2afsuVqeAY7GXE14OjWWqWYz45NU6jalLbSAmTg86FxzdGirImAYdd9iQ
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Some of his numbers dramatically understate things, but the big gist of it is on target:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html?fbclid=IwAR2afsuVqeAY7GXE14OjWWqWYz45NU6jalLbSAmTg86FxzdGirImAYdd9iQ
These dumb fcukers don't realize just how pissed off actual Americans are getting. Trump and ICE are the nice solution.
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POTH's House conservative:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html
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POTH's House conservative:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html
Wow!, great analysis! Stephens has it right. It isn't what one of them said, it's what all of them said., we are against you. Advantage Trump.
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http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/is-kamala-harris-telling-the-truth-about-her-berkeley-days/
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http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/is-kamala-harris-telling-the-truth-about-her-berkeley-days/
Good to see Kamala called out on her drama BS. All she really said was that she rode a bus to school for a year before leaving the country for most of her childhood. Born of two parents with PhDs, she more likely lived in the white area than with blacks. No mention of the bus ride being about race. In a majority white California classroom, she was very likely the only one there who was a descendant of slave owners.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/02/donald-harris-kamala-father-dad-jamaican/
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but she is likely going to get all the breaks the Leftist media can give her just like Brock
Her opponents will have to call her out but do they have the balls.
Biden won't.
I doubt any of them will.
They may be afraid to as the MSM will relay around her likely.
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A positive article on Amy. I don't agree with it but still real observations from a conservative attending an event in Iowa. She seemed shocked by his question on Omar but handled it reasonably well. A 5th place finish in Iowa does not set her on any path IMO, only the implosion of the other 23 does that.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/dave-begley-live-from-atlantic.php
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212
"too cute by half"
Yes.
Also interesting to see conservatives defend Biden. It is partly good to see the Left face the tactics of the Left.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212
"too cute by half"
Yes.
Also interesting to see conservatives defend Biden. It is partly good to see the Left face the tactics of the Left.
The left always feeds on it’s self.
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https://bigleaguepolitics.com/slave-registers-from-london-name-the-slaves-kamala-harris-ancestor-owned/
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/kamala-harris-busing-democratic-debate/
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I am surprised to see Mayor Pete getting grief from Harris fans over a police officer who the story goes was taken off guard by a 52 black male lunging at him with a butcher knife and then in self defense killing the man.
Blacks are saying Pete does not stick up for them.
Glad to see HIM get a taste of his own SJW medicine though the whole thing smells like every other situation
Black committing crime armed and refuse to follow the officer's orders.
Perhaps the policeman didn't have his camera on because he only was able to see some feet sticking out the door
perhaps he simply forgot to turn it on .
Does anyone believe the MSM will EVER give Harris any real challenge
I would be quite surprised if even the other Dems will have the guts to .
But they should.
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I am surprised to see Mayor Pete getting grief from Harris fans over a police officer who the story goes was taken off guard by a 52 black male lunging at him with a butcher knife and then in self defense killing the man.
Blacks are saying Pete does not stick up for them.
Glad to see HIM get a taste of his own SJW medicine though the whole thing smells like every other situation
Black committing crime armed and refuse to follow the officer's orders.
Perhaps the policeman didn't have his camera on because he only was able to see some feet sticking out the door
perhaps he simply forgot to turn it on .
Does anyone believe the MSM will EVER give Harris any real challenge
I would be quite surprised if even the other Dems will have the guts to .
But they should.
It’s not difficult to forget to activate a body camera.
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http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/crooked-hillary-attorney-now-works-for-kamala-harris/
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" .granddaughter of SLAVE owners "
do we really know this ?
I see this in places but how does anyone know this.
she is not old enough to have slave owning grandparents.
"Perkins Cole’s political law group"
mafia lawyers for the Democrat crowd
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https://reason.com/2019/07/04/justin-amash-declares-independence-from-republican-party/
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" .granddaughter of SLAVE owners "
do we really know this ?
I see this in places but how does anyone know this.
she is not old enough to have slave owning grandparents.
Her Grandparent(s) were descendants of slave owners, meaning she is also, certifiably. Her name should lbe stricken from the US Senate roll call!
Irrelevant and unfair except it makes a mockery of the whole idea of paying people for their heritage based on skin color when some blacks participated in the slave trade and most whites didn't. .
Unlike Obama's white Kansas side, this was on her 'black' side. It's silly to even call her black. Her father married 'outside the faith'.
It makes you want to narrow the payments, if we make them,
to people who can prove ALL their grandparents were descendants of slaves, receiving from people whose grandparents alll were descendants of slave owners.
Or we could.consider the $6 trillion war on poverty the payment and be done with it.
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"Her Grandparent(s) were descendants of slave owners,"
OK big mouth Dems SJW candidates:
in next "debate" (these are not debates their one or two sentence slogans fest)
lets see her competitors calling for HER to pay reparations to slave descendants.
Yes you are 1/2 half Caribbean Black but you are from slave owners!
How about you Indian half pay reparations to those in India who were from lower castes!
(of course we would never hear these truths from the Dems because the truth hurts their phony narrative ) but we better be hearing it from our side when the time comes.
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If I have it right, Cory Booker's parents are one white, one black. Would reparations mean that one has to pay the other?
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-claims-dem-013358860.html
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Some on the left are beginning to agree with me. The Democrat who can beat Trump is dot-dot. None of the above. Both Harris and Biden were damaged in there famous Exchange last week. Tom Steyer is in, of no real consequence. Eric Swalwell is out, of no consequence. Last poll of significance had Biden at 30 and Harris, Warren, and Sanders at 15. Buttigieg had dropped to 5, Beto at 4. Who is the winner out of that group or out of the others that are pulling essentially at zero? Biden is the known commodity, front runner, and yet 70% of Democrats don't choose him even with his name presented to them.
Biden showed he couldn't defend himself. Harris proved she can be a drama queen but doesn't even support the policy she is suggesting, neither do 95% of Americans.
Warren and Sanders combined have the support of Biden, but they aren't combined, they are all running against each other.
No one of any significance has stood up to the nuttiness of the left in their party with any success. Show called moderates are not really running as moderates and yet still show up around zero, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar and whoever else.
In the end it may be none of these 25 people on the ballot opposing Trump. I hate to say it but look for Michelle Obama to pop out of the woodwork at the last moment. I can't think of who else of significance is still on the sidelines?
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"I hate to say it but look for Michelle Obama to pop out of the woodwork at the last moment."
back in the rodeo??? :wink:
no she is having too much fun, and making too much just the way it is - my guess.
AS for everyone else looking bad against Trump - Doug, I hope you are right
Trump not polling too great against some of them so far though I don't know how to make sense of it this early and with so many in the race.
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Delegates to the convention are committed to their candidate at least on the first round of voting.
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Delegates to the convention are committed to their candidate at least on the first round of voting.
Yes. Assuming the delegates are split over the wide field, this means a late entry could get in during the convention after the first ballot and not have to run in the primaries - if he or she was very well-known and popular.
It sure looks like Michelle is enjoying life above the fray and not running. Running for president or governing would be a step down from her life now. The people reading her book tend to be liberal-leaning. They are finding it to be non-political. But she will be a speaker at the convention and it will be a political speech passionate about the candidate. I'm not saying she will be the one to jump in, but who else is there? Who else from the Obama gang if not Biden? Valerie Jarrett? She has never sought the public eye. A Cabinet member? John Kerry is washed up. Hillary had her turn, twice. Eric Holder, Rahm Emanuel, these are ordinary figures who like Julian Castro could have run in the primaries. Not game changers. A congressional figure, Schumer, Durbin, Pelosi, not going to happen. Governors? Like Hickenlooper, already in and not making a splash. They don't start off as national figures. Barack Obama left a shallow bench when he lost the House, the Senate, the governor ship's, state Houses and the presidency.
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Sanders and Warren voters have surprisingly little in common. In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548
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highlight their bigotry:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/16/list-of-racist-statements-by-members-of-the-squad-so-far/
yet maybe leave the "go back to your country" tweets; just does not play well.
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Wrong thread for that.
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Warren and Sanders will join Delaney, Hickenlooper, Ryan, Bullock, Williamson, Klobuchar, O'Rourke and Buttigieg on July 30.
Harris and Biden will join Gillibrand, Gabbard, Bennet, de Blasio, Inslee, Booker, Yang and Castro on July 31.
Will Sanders and Warren take off the gloves fighting for the Wako left lane? Will Amy Klobuchar come out against the Bush tax cuts, oops I mean the Trump tax cuts ? Yawn. Which of these are your liberal friends going to stay inside for, excited to see on these beautiful summer evenings? Maybe Tom Steyer will have to host his own event. Who will have their breakout moment at these highly anticipated events? I predict ... no one.
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Tucker was seriously scathing last night on the zombie candidates , , , and heading the list was Slo Joe.
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Tucker was seriously scathing last night on the zombie candidates , , , and heading the list was Slo Joe.
If there was one in this group that could or should breakthrough, they can't because they are locked up in groupthink.
Take their favorite issue for example, Healthcare. There isn't a one of them that can handle one follow-up question on their proposal if they have one.
With Obama, Pelosi, Gruber, they devised a super complex, technocratic idea that no one could understand. Now they propose everything free and no one pays for it - and the deficit under Trump is unacceptable?
They all want a 50 trillion dollar plan without paying for it. Only Bernie says he will pay for it but his math doesn't work. Raising the tax rates further on the rich does not raise more Revenue so you still need 50 trillion. Now Biden says, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Are you kidding?
Older voters are trending Trump and the Democrats are offering their target young voters the opportunity to increase the debt from 20 trillion to 100 trillion given all their programs. And they will accommodate the new debt burden with a zero GDP growth rate - or worse.
Their campaign slogan is already written,
Trump is flawed, we are worse.
Representative Omar is in the news spewing hatred everyday while three Minnesota Democrat incumbents in swing districts prepare for re-election. Trump declared Minnesota in play. I think he will wi MN.
It's been awhile since they bragged about the blue wall.
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I would love to see biden knock out harris
but i don't think he is capable of it.
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https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/business/article/President-Trump-tells-aides-to-look-for-big-14109681.php
OTOH
can Trump win with rational budget cuts against a Party hell bent on spending increases and claiming they will only tax the "rich" promising everything for "free".
Hard to win when the crats always put together enough victims promising to give them other people's money etc......
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I get it that the issue is relivent to the election, but OTOH what does not?
Please post in thread(s) on Budget, Spending Cuts, and maybe Politics. TY
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"Trump down by 10 points to Biden mostly likely due to Trumps tweets"
(Media thread)
Another view, (mine):
Trump is down 10 points today because: Trump always under polls at the poll taker level, the media based poll companies try to influence outcomes, the election isn't national, the polling company is not held accountable until the final weekend poll, the election isn't being held today, (Biden won't be the nominee) and the campaign against Biden hasn't started. )
"Not helpful to have it revealed Kushner owns rentals in Baltimore
some with rodent problems."
I agree that nobody likes the landlord but inconvenient connections like this will not be what turns the election. [I'm watching the economy via GDP growth rate and concerned there too.] This does give Trump firsthand knowledge of the problems in Baltimore from within his advising inner circle. He is not getting duped by a Fox News false report as was the storyline on the other channels this past weekend. SJWs are offended by the word but the City is infested - with rats - and with black on black crime, race not mentioned. The cause is Democratic policies. See Walter Williams article just posted.
Win (and end) the trade war with China, turnaround the global economy before the election (do-able) and win the election on the merits of the policies.
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Brilliant move by Trump yesterday, he publicly called out the Chinese and Iranians for trying to outlast his Presidency to deal with another pushover. Of course that is exactly what they are trying to do! This bold accusation affects both his negotiating adversaries and his political opponents.
Joe, Liz, Kamala, are you the pushover that the Chinese and Iranians want to roll over? If all of them deny pushover status and share Trump's hard line on this matter, the Chinese would make a deal today to stop their economic bleeding, also surging the Trump economy. If none of them take a hard line, Trump frames the election and wins. If he can divide his opponents in a structural manner, he runs against divided and weakened opposition.
Nice to have the bully pulpit on your side.
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The Washington Examiner
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/tulsi-gabbard-just-humiliated-kamala-harris-in-front-of-10-million-peoplehursday, August 01, 2019
Supporting links in the article
OPINION
Tulsi Gabbard just humiliated Kamala Harris in front of 10 million people
by Brad Polumbo
| July 31, 2019 10:18 PM
During Wednesday night’s Democratic primary debate, CNN’s Jake Tapper knew exactly what he was doing when he queued up a question for Tulsi Gabbard about her past criticisms of Kamala Harris’s approach to racial issues and her attack on Joe Biden.
Gabbard went off.
Clearly, Gabbard had done her homework, and she absolutely dragged Harris for her abysmal record as California attorney general. During her time in office, Harris took draconian stances on issues of criminal justice, enforcing such merciless policies and displaying such ruthless ambition that “Kamala the cop” has become a common criticism of the candidate.
Gabbard attacked Harris for having locked up thousands of people for mere marijuana possession and laughing about it when asked whether she had smoked pot herself. The congresswoman piled onto Harris, adding on a reference to her office’s shameful move to keep people locked up to preserve "cheap labor for the state of California."
This is all true, and here are the receipts. But Gabbard didn’t stop there.
The Hawaii congresswoman also called out Harris for the fact that while attorney general, she fought to keep people incarcerated despite exonerating evidence and fought to preserve the unfair system of cash bail.
True and true.
And according to the New York Times, “Ms. Harris also championed state legislation under which parents whose children were found to be habitually truant in elementary school could be prosecuted, despite concerns that it would disproportionately affect low-income people of color.”
So Gabbard was spot-on when she said, to Harris’ face, that “when you were in a position to make a difference, you did not. The people who suffered under your reign as a prosecutor, you owe them an apology.”
As the Washington Examiner’s own Tiana Lowe summed it up blogging in real time, “Tulsi just stabbed Kamala where it hurts, focusing on the California Senator's history of threatening the mothers of truant children, sex workers, and a disproportionately crew of color. Shots fired.”
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I did not watch these debates and I guess no one else did either. Must rely on those paid to watch for (lousy) analysis.
They are starting to challenge each other on their pasts and differences but it is a pretty boring, inconsequential race on the Dem side.
In the previous post, Kamala Harris was skewered badly on the stage and all the rest of especially the top tier have even more obvious weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
I heard Rush L say there is a 75% chance Michelle O will get in. Say it isn't so, but this so-called clown show becomes truly inconsequential. They have a message. Now they need a face and a voice to carry it. If she is so inclined, it sure looks possible,because the answer so far is definitely none of the above.
From the Left side, here is Nate Silver's take on the race:
"[Biden's] chances [for the nomination]are under 50 percent. But I think he’s more likely than anyone else."
[Way to go out on a limb Nate.]
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-i-think-the-candidates-stand-after-the-second-debate/
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after watching their mosaic of candidates debate:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-democrats-majority-impeachment/2019/08/02/id/927069/
(gotta do something :-P)
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But the surprise attack from Gabbard, and the direct and cutting nature of her remarks, turned out to be one of the defining moments of the second debate.
Gabbard accused Harris of locking up racial minorities for low-level drug offenses while laughing off her own marijuana use. And she accused Harris of keeping inmates imprisoned for cheap labor, while ignoring exculpatory evidence that might have freed death row inmates.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-10/biden-says-he-was-vice-president-during-the-parkland-shooting?fbclid=IwAR0Ug7Rt4nNAsMJ2nd2iTHkFeGVj4v_05AkI00olDd6M6774Hc-BfQ3nYf8
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-10/biden-says-he-was-vice-president-during-the-parkland-shooting?fbclid=IwAR0Ug7Rt4nNAsMJ2nd2iTHkFeGVj4v_05AkI00olDd6M6774Hc-BfQ3nYf8
Perfect! He’ll do great!
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/al-sharpton-considering-2020-presidential-bid/
he could run as the first cockroach for president :-o
or the first one to have a roux en y procedure . :wink:
I wonder if michelle would back him over biden? :-P
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https://freebeacon.com/politics/all-2020-senate-dems-absent-for-vote-to-send-humanitarian-relief-to-border/?fbclid=IwAR1zHT7xUJtCRxm38cw8__acZknGEGKQl6KJefZSSWKiUIHFW-_EV1jaNtU
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From media thread.
ccp: "if Dems can come up with viable candidate
we lose in '20."
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But they have made a set of rules that makes that impossible. Nominee must support open borders and free healthcare for all, a contradiction that makes fiscal governance impossible. Must support abortion until or past the last day of pregnancy rules out anyone with a brain and a conscience. Dismantle the military. Put international governance above our constitution. End capitalism and virtually all other freedoms. Most of all, candidate must be in full Trump derangement / hate mode including the hating and smearing of everyone who has contemplated supporting him. They need someone honest and credible that can easily switch fake gears with them from asserting Russian collusion to calling half the country including conservative blacks and Hispanics "white supremacists'. And be electable. Tough criteria to meet.
My 'thoughtful' liberal friends tell me it's Biden and the only criteria is that he can beat Trump. As they say the you can see them recognize it is a prescription for failure and they admit it.
The so-called moderates weren't moderate anyway and they were already chased off the stage, fully out of contention.
The answer so far is any of the above and none of the above at the same time, sort of a contradiction.
I hate to keep saying Michelle O when there is no sign she wants it, but they need someone from outside the fray to ride in on a white horse (can I still say that) and sweep them off their feet. Even then, her free pass ends when she enters. She is about as skilled as Biden and as experienced in politics as ... Laura Bush? Who else could do it, someone who can defend the Obama legacy and argue a return to it, Valerie Jarrett? Not going to happen. Back to Biden, Warren, Sanders.
Republicans still think it's going to Kamala Harris but I don't see it and polls in key states and nationwide show Democrats still don't see it. It keeps looking like Biden or Warren are the best they can find in country of 330 million people. Forget old, one is dumb and the other is rabid. One would be a figurehead turning us back back to the establishment deep state and the other would make us Venezuela, which doesn't sound good right now. Neither have a clue about what made this country great or how to solve any of what ails it right now.
Meanwhile they have to hope for continued legislative standstill and economic failure to have a chance, and manage the impeachment and shiny object focus on their side and run up against a guy about whom Barack Obama said, "stop underestimating this guy!"
This is a mess for the Dems and it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-david-duke-endorse-bds-israel-ilhan-omar-west-bank-boycott-1318365?fbclid=IwAR32CdCjZQMRpLCAko_3xi6vml3T0Hiy_mUU5L1KE3BKjNtbg6Spt2YcliM
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https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-david-duke-endorse-bds-israel-ilhan-omar-west-bank-boycott-1318365?fbclid=IwAR32CdCjZQMRpLCAko_3xi6vml3T0Hiy_mUU5L1KE3BKjNtbg6Spt2YcliM
Bwahahahaha!!!!!
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She should have just stuck with being winner of the swimsuit competition.
Once again she will be the most searched candidate - while stuck at 0.0% support in the polls.
She is one more Democrat that will keep us out of foreign wars, would rather let them amass their weapons and have the war here.
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http://www.dickmorris.com/warren-is-winning-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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She should have just stuck with being winner of the swimsuit competition.
Once again she will be the most searched candidate - while stuck at 0.0% support in the polls.
She is one more Democrat that will keep us out of foreign wars, would rather let them amass their weapons and have the war here.
I was trying to think of a Warren swimsuit joke and threw up in my mouth. :-o
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Only Biden (29), Sanders (15) and Warren (14) are polling above 5% of Democrats. When candidates like Hickenlooper drop out (does anyone outside Colorado know his first name), the joke is, who will win his supporter? The analysis of the polls is "soft support", or what I call 'none of the above'.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
The top two for sure are old. Old in that they have been around a long time and offer no excitement, no accomplishments, no upside.
Sanders and Warren work off of anger. Anger at the system. In a different way, I have anger too, but anger is not the quality that wins elections, particularly in good times. And if we should head into recession any observer can easily see that they wanted it first and want it to be deeper.
Warren's problem is her strength, her message. For both Sanders and Warren, facts don't bear out the attraction of their ideology. A closer look at it in a long campaign does not favor them.
Biden is his own case study. He was chosen VP for being flavorless not for the following he would bring with him. He blows with the wind. He knows the other two are too far left so he is equally far left but calls himself liberal and moderate. He is a known gaffe machine and because of that the next gaffe does not sink him. Latest: "poor kids are just as smart as white kids". Voter acceptance through lowered expectations. Does that bring voters to the polling booth?
To see Biden under mild scrutiny, watch his debate performance against Sarah Palin in 2008. His speech accuracy was poor, even though he had already served in the Senate since Nixon was President. Each time he repeated his answer for emphasis, it was false. He will be under much more scrutiny this time and he is less sharp now. He was speechless when Kamala blindsided him. He will be readier for Trump's attacks but can't suddenly add talent or change facts. People support him because they see that polls of others say he can beat Trump - before the contest begins.
Sanders is the unlikely hero of young people who were spoonfed that same socialist screed from pre-K through college. Warren or even Butti could win 90% of the college student vote that any Dem will win. None of them have appeal with the stereotyped 'black vote'. Even Biden does not excite them. 'My opponent' "will put you back in chains"? Is that how blacks see themselves, just out of chains? How racist! Or was it a joke? Black chain humor? 'Black voters' are supposed to all flock to Kamala Harris like trained seals because she looks a little bit black. It turns out she is a descendant of slave owners, not slaves. Ironic.
Biden is the workingman's candidate, but has never worked and has now gotten rich off of public service, power and corruption. Hillary 3.0?
It's always been a coalition of conflicting groups when what they sell is identity politics. In MN they call the Dem party the DFL, Democratic, Farmer, Labor, but now Trump wins farmers and laborers and may win 'white' Minnesota. Dems want to corral the interests of blacks with Jews, Muslims with gays, white suburban women with inner city African American men, etc. It's not an easy weave, especially when your opponent just wants to make America great again and build opportunities for all.
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http://www.dickmorris.com/trump-huge-gains-among-blacks-latinos-millennials-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/896-a-majority-of-voters-give-trump-thumbs-up-again-while-trudeau-lags-behind-at-43-job-approval-trump-s-support-with-his-base-has-increased-drastically-nearly-half-of-hispanics-approve-of-trump
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https://israelunwired.com/what-trump-really-said-about-jews-and-the-democratic-party/
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Last listing I saw ~ 72 % of Jews are crats.
the ones I know who are crats are wedded for life.
their opinion will never change. they are closed minded know it alls.
one might as well speak to a wall.
but then again so are many if not most libs, crats.
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Sad news
He will be sorely missed . :wink: :roll::
https://pjmedia.com/trending/climate-alarmist-candidate-jay-inslee-drops-out-of-2020-presidential-race/
he could go take a hike - on Mt Rainier
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Sad news
He will be sorely missed . :wink: :roll::
https://pjmedia.com/trending/climate-alarmist-candidate-jay-inslee-drops-out-of-2020-presidential-race/
he could go take a hike - on Mt Rainier
What he couldn't get passed in liberal Washington state, he couldn't get passed for the country; he couldn't even get it approved by the party activists. It's the biggest threat to the earth - but not aq top 10 issue in the election in any poll.
https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/politics-global-warming-march-2018/2/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx
Bernie today says he is willing to spend 16 trillion of our money to win over Jay Inslee's supporter.
https://news.yahoo.com/sanders-outlines-climate-plan-builds-110026653.html;_ylt=AwrC2Q6IlV5dcBYAlgLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
P.S. It's been a relatively cold and rainy here this summer. How is your spiraling out of control heat and drought going?
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Last listing I saw ~ 72 % of Jews are crats.
the ones I know who are crats are wedded for life.
their opinion will never change. they are closed minded know it alls.
one might as well speak to a wall.
but then again so are many if not most libs, crats.
4% of the electorate is Jewish. A small portion but more than the winning margin in close elections. They vote more than 2 to 1 Dem. Pew says there has been very little movement in the last decade but their own chart show a recent turn toward parity:
(https://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/2_16.png)
As AOC and the Leftist Presidential candidates become the voice of the Democratic Party, the political enthusiasm of the Jewish middle to the left loses energy. Converting disaffected Democrats to Republicans or to being Trump voters is another leap.
If you are a Leftist, Jewish or not,you will never in the next two years vote for Trump or a Republican House but most Jewish Democrats I know are more divided in their thought. They lean left by habit, by family and by intuition but are independent on issues and partly data oriented. Our problem is that all the data they read comes filtered by the left. Some notice Democrats are bad for the economy and bad for the country. Do they really want anti-Semites speaking for them on Israel or think free healthcare and everything else to all who crash our borders is an answer our out of control fiscal challenges? They don't like Republicans but find themselves alienated by the latest direction of the Democratic party. Pro-business but "socially liberal", good luck with that! They are conflicted, like most voters.
To go from 72% Dem as ccp cited to mostly ambivalent in 2020 is a small gain for Republicans.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-republicans-may-begin-162457862.html
of course Left will proclaim that a vote for Trump is a vote to hurt seniors etc and this is unnecessary (which it is not )
and that their answer AS ALWAYS , is the rich should pay.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-republicans-may-begin-162457862.html
of course Left will proclaim that a vote for Trump is a vote to hurt seniors etc and this is unnecessary (which it is not )
and that their answer AS ALWAYS , is the rich should pay.
We are running out of time to fix it. Left alone, it will END totally.
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We should mention in this thread of Dem primary contests that Trump is also running.
He has a chance to hold his base and to increase his support from other groups such as blacks and Hispanics. But crucial is to increase support from suburban women. Good to hear they are working on it - when they aren't busy making it worse.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458249-trump-campaign-launches-effort-to-mobilize-female-voters
"Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020, while 30 percent said they would vote for Trump, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released on Monday."
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Those numbers don't need to flip from 2016 but they do need improve. It will be interesting to see how they plan to do that - without becoming Democrats on policy.
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" ."Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020"
Doug,
do we know exactly why?
guns, abortion, tweets, free health care or college? need to have people to babysit mow lawns ?
what?
It has got to be along those lines.
I would be curious to know how many of the women are single mothers
what is ratio of single mothers (who will look to government for help ) to those married with regards to voting for the crats........
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"Sixty-three percent of white, college-educated women said they would definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020"
"Doug,
do we know exactly why?
guns, abortion, tweets, free health care or college? need to have people to babysit mow lawns ?
what?
It has got to be along those lines."
First, it is an NBC poll so you might get 5 points back on each side of that in polling error. But still, this weakness cost R's the House.
Women are more liberal than men. Women are more "compassionate" and have soaked up the indoctrination in college and media that destroying the poor with our Welfare system and destroying our healthcare system with socialism is "compassionate". It will take a very persuasive, informative and long campaign back against that to counter it.
Tweets? Women in the middle don't like Trump's tone. We need a shift from personal crap to policies tied to results.
"I would be curious to know how many of the women are single mothers
what is ratio of single mothers (who will look to government for help ) to those married with regards to voting for the crats........"
Right. There is a HUGE difference between women married in families and single women and the ratio of those groups is worsening. We need to improve our messaging to both groups. Forget the hard core liberals with Trump derangement, they are lost, but we need to answer the heavy messaging the others more toward the center are receiving.
For example, Elizabeth Warren just published an opinion piece on how to avoid the next economic crash (and the previous one) but her policies actually cause the downturn, not prevent it.
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/the-coming-economic-crash-and-how-to-stop-it-355703da148b
Who calls her out on that? Trump will when he gets to it and if she is the nominee, but in the meantime the reaction is silence.
Look at the heart of this group, married mostly white suburban women who lean center left. Most work, save, pay taxes, follow the law and care about their children. They do not favor confiscation, socialism, national bankruptcy, destruction of our cities and culture etc. Trump is the only one (it seems) who is and who can call out the Democrats for adopting the destructive agenda of the radical Left while the Republicans including Trump have been occupying the space of the political center. Secure the border and enforce our laws is not an extreme agenda. Abandon all that is.
DEFICIT: If you care about your children and their children, you care about this issue. If you care enough to vote you already know to be skeptical and cynical of both sides. Trump with a Republican House and Senate COULD attempt to deal with this in his second term. Democrats taking any of these three will stop that. Republicans must make the factual case that higher tax RATES on the people most able to rearrange their activities around tax rates slows the economy and makes revenues worse. Most people don't know that. You deal the deficit in one or both of two ways, you raise taxes on EVERYONE who earns anything, or you realize and admit the problem is the spending stupid, entitlements in particular.
You can reform federal spending structurally and drastically and still have a very significant safety net for those in real need. Who makes THAT point?
Republicans and Trump also need to up their image on the environment. Our opposition to exaggerated and over-hyped climate change is not advocating a return to a time of filth or taking a don't know, don't care position. We want the air to be clean, the water to be clean, the cities to be clean, the farms to be clean, the factories to be clean and our energy production to be clean. We just don't believe government fascism gets you there at all much less in the best way.
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Pretty good analysis. Spoiler, the winner is Warren.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/27/pundits-guide-handicapping-democratic-nomination/
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"Joe Biden is running a one-man negative campaign against Joe Biden. Unless someone stops him from campaigning, there is no telling how low he will go."
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"Bernie Sanders’ problem is that in politics, as in the bedroom, it is difficult to lose one’s virginity a second time."
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"Unlike Democratic candidates who stand for everything and nothing, Warren knows exactly what her campaign is about and, native heritage aside, who she really is."
"So, in Democratic primaries and caucuses, Warren’s algorithm is powerful: angry populist + angry socialist + angry woman = Democratic nomination."
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"Kamala Harris has a big smile and very little behind it. In sheer charisma, Harris is the candidate most like Obama in the 2020 field, but without a millimeter of Obama’s depth."
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"Booker’s campaign is featureless. He has the courage to say whatever Democratic voters want to hear, turning his message into forgettable background noise, the indistinguishable hum of tires on the campaign bus to nowhere."
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"The problem with riding white horses [Beto] is that you can’t get a speck of mud on them."
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"Buttigieg is one great speech away from getting the ride that makes him a 2024 contender."
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Conflict over at the party of identity politics, Mayor Butti can't even lock up the LGBTQ vote.
https://news.yahoo.com/why-lesbians-don-t-want-090241362.html
“But I’m one of these women who thinks we are way overdue for having a woman in the White House. That’s a lens through which I’m going to filter my decision.”
Looks like we will have an angry white woman up against a happy white male, no gay in the final round.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6kRyQ3KJAo
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/383058.php
Oh please!
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-faces-more-2020-danger-if-democrat-scores-upset-n-n1047226
It seems like all the poll news and retirements are ALL trending against Republicans
Like I said I at least will never see a tax cut in my life again ( and since I could not deduct NJ taxes it effectively was no cut for me anyway)
And even this will be reversed when Trump loses in 20.
Then everything will go up and up and away for me .
As for the country the debt will keep going up as spending outpaces tax increases .......
I am very pessimistic.
People who keep blowing off all the polls do so at their own risk.
Yeah I know , they were wrong in 16 but I don't think so now.
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It is all about getting the midwest blue collar vote back.
Dems know they have "big tech" in their pocket like they do the Blacks.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/big-tech-big-labor-2020-democrats-line-unions-65324482
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(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/CD6353EC-E457-4F0F-B8B3-43D1ABCE2F0A.jpg)
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now we know why Bernie is so punch drunk.
he is a failed boxer.
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Note, Elizabeth Warren's no fossil fuels in 10 years plan came after this RCP Reason TV posting.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/08/26/john_stossel_free_stuff_2020_tallying_up_proposed_spending_by_presidential_candidates.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation
John Stossel: Free Stuff 2020, Tallying Up Proposed Spending By Presidential Candidates
On Date August 26, 2019
REASON TV: Never before have so many politicians promised to spend so much.
Among some candidates, the 2020 presidential campaign has turned into a contest to see who can offer the most "free stuff."
So far no one has tracked their promises, so the Stossel team did.
Stossel compares the top five Democratic candidates, based on the betting odds. He looks at Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), former Vice President Joe Biden, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and Sen. Bernie Sanders' (D–Vt.) expensive promises, issue by issue: education, health care, climate, welfare, and… well, let's make it a contest! There's a grab-bag round too.
Some examples of what the Democrats would spend if they become president:
Sanders wants to "eliminate student debt" and "make public colleges and universities tuition-free." Sounds nice, but he seldom mentions the $220 billion price tag.
Mayor Buttigieg promises to spend $31.5 billion to give teachers a pay raise. Kamala Harris likes that one too.
Senator Harris also wants the government to pay your rent if it's more than 30% of your income. The cost? $94 billion a year.
The Democratic candidate promises keep on coming: Medicare for All, $3 trillion.
Increase Food Stamps, $10.8 billion.
Expand National Service, $2 billion.
A federal job guarantee, $158 billion.
But the Republican incumbent is a big spender too, says Stossel. Since Donald Trump became President, spending has risen about $500 billion.
But the Democrats want to spend much more. Stossel's tally includes more than 50 spending proposals.
Watch to see who wins the title of "Biggest Spender."Stossel says, no matter who wins, taxpayers are the losers.
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Doug: All these costs are understated, they ignore the macro effect of destroying the economy.
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surprise , your side are vicious liars: :-P
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/03/marianne-williamson-i-didnt-think-the-left-lied-like-this/
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wasn't Conrad in jail.
maybe he missed that so many of us have been pleading with Trump to do just this with zero success:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/trumps-only-real-weakness-is-his-style/
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I missed the beginning (could not find it on radio) and the end, but saw most of it. It was painful to watch. Each one of them said things that would be easy for any Republican to rebut.
Biden gave the right amount of mis-speaks, gaffes, idiocy for his opponents to seize on. Kids need to hear more words, turn on the television uh record player at night.
Bernie was a raving angry man who looked like a lunatic. Too bad to distract from the opportunity to point out everything he advocates takes us in the direction of certain failure. A very important question was asked of Bernie about the similarity of his policies to those that failed so horribly in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela. He rambled on about free health care and family leave in Canada and "Scandinavia". He did not answer the question. His policies if fully implemented will unravel capitalism in just the same way that they brought down Venezuela and coercion by military state and coercion by administrative state are indistinguishable if the coercion has the full effect. He is going to pay every teacher at least $60,000 without regarding to regional cost of living differences while making the nation as a whole poorer and all of them will make government schools mandatory almost back to birth.
Warren: I would say zero charisma but smooth delivery and hit all of her well-rehearsed points. You either like her or you don't. I don't see her exciting anyone other than the 15-20% of Democrats who already like her and relate to all that. Every voter needs to figure out whether what she proposes is good for America, whether there is logic to go from our hate for large companies to the full government takeover of the entire American private sector. Translating her climate change words, she is saying we need to stop heating and air conditioning our homes and buildings by 2028 or whatever all that government imposed fascism mumbo-jumbo was supposed to mean.
Booker is articulate but also angry and unappealing. Castro looks goofy in his presentation. Beto will take your guns. Butti is way more charismatic on radio than on television, and all Trump supporters yes are racist.
Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera. One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why?
They all seem so angry, I really tried to find one with a good presentation, someone who you wish you could hear more form at the end of the 45 seconds. Andrew Yang maybe but some of his ideas are nuts. He made a nice point about immigration but could not in a Democrat setting make the distinction between legal and illegal; no mention of rule of law in immigration. Did his father who grew up without a floor in Asia hire border gangs to enter? If not, what is the similarity to what we face today? Instead he literally invited the whole world to come here and start businesses and make a great life for themselves. 8 billion people? What kind of a country will it be if they all say yes? Probably identical to where they came from but a little more crowded.
Harris was the other rare contestant who was not all angry, but also was not all present. If not drunk, her drug dosage was a bit off. More pleasant than the angry ones, but aloof and a little incoherent. Whiny sounding, she had a weird moment where she couldn't stop laughing at her own scripted joke. She will not be the nominee.
On China tariffs, not one could say they oppose Trump tariffs or that they would repeal them on day one, just that they would do [the same thing] better (but they of course wouldn't). Isn't that funny, a 10 way endorsement of a very bold Trump policy that no one before him dared to undertake. They were actually helping Trump explain to the hurt sectors of our economy why we need to keep up the fight and win it. Bad news for China. It sets Trump up to get a deal with them sooner.
Not one question asked about America's roaring economy leading the world in growth, our hugely increased wage growth under Trump, record unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women, and DECREASED income inequality. This is not relevant? Won't come up in a general election?? Now back to social justice, gender flexibility and white supremacy opinions.
I could not visualize any of the 10 of them rising up to even win the nomination much less win the election. The two people who struggled the most to watch this painful ordeal were Barack and Michelle Obama. Do they REALLY want to give up this great life you have get back in the ugly arena?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-democratic-debate-houston-n1053926
And the winner is ... ... ... incumbent President Donald Trump.
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" .Klobuchar looked nervous but seems nice, competent, authentic, unless you know what a complete bitch she is off-camera. One Dem summary said Klobuchar could stay in the race, but why? "
Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people"
Except for my home town mayor , a Democrat , who supported Ronald Reagan , which inspired RR to come and give a speech there , ( I saw it)
I have never heard of a single Democrat who EVER represented me .
I guess Barak Obama represented all the people too........ :wink:
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Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:
Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.
Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?
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"Last night on her post debate quicky speaking tour she claims she wants to be President for "all the people" "
Don't be fooled by her mild public manner and Leftists calling her moderate, she has been in office since Jan 2007, when Pelosi-Reid took power and brought down the Bush expansion of 51 consecutive months. She is to the left of Al Franken and never has represented all the people. She has NEVER been mentioned as a crossover vote on ANY contentious issue. She was a cheap copy of Hillary Clinton when she first ran, was a rubber stamp on every vote for Reid-Schumer and now sees herself as some voice of mid-life reason and experience.
In the link below she sides with the lying accuser against Judge Kavanaugh citing some "rule of evidence" where absolutely no evidence exists and we later find out it all was false, designed by her lawyers to preserve abortion. Great integrity. She ran 100% with the wacko, ends justify means, party line on everything she came across. Good luck getting her appointees confirmed if Republicans return the favor. Thankfully she will never be President, but if she is elected she will be no worse than Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry or McGovern.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/28/sen-amy-klobuchar-kavanaugh-vote-response-sot-vpx.cnn
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Encapsulating moment of last night's Dem debate for me:
Joe Biden, calling for government workers to come into people's homes to teach them how to raise their children by turning on the record player while struggling with loose dentures.
Also noteworthy: His call for no one to be in prison for non-violent crimes. Free Paul Manafort?
Yes, he lost me with calling for the government to come into our homes to tell us how to raise children when he already said he wants them taken away in pre-K to public schools, not private day care. No mention of stay at home parents raising children. Why would you raise your own when the indoctrination union needs to get at them sooner. Put them all in little boxes, send them to the universities until they all come out just the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM
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https://va.news-republic.com/a/6720180336451387910?app_id=1239&gid=6720180336451387910&impr_id=6720252423841007878&language=en®ion=us&user_id=6656103688938176518&c=fb&fbclid=IwAR0HSZRouG1Eqf7eIpGT4DzGrxCokJJ2dMswqGKiai2aXyZqc9DjScRG74k
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/13/fact-check-beto-orourke-absolutely-wrong-on-ambulance-shortage-after-texas-shootings/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20190913&utm_content=Final
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/13/fact-check-beto-orourke-absolutely-wrong-on-ambulance-shortage-after-texas-shootings/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20190913&utm_content=Final
But he is a Democrat, no penalty for lying.
One other side note, ALL ambulances run on fossil fuel. Only a Democrat can want more of something and ban it at the same time.
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I suppose we need a National Ambulance Administration to head regulations in order we have more ambulances now.
May the ambulance drivers could all be made government employees and unionized to insure they all vote for crats.
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https://www.thecollegefix.com/elizabeth-warrens-pushing-for-free-college-meanwhile-her-harvard-professor-husband-earns-400000-a-year/?fbclid=IwAR1vwLp9hpG0L8PmJhM0xledJ0zOs1k8CvqfGNebaDffeXFWhVXlDmpuK4U
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Trump to join Modi in Houston (sept 23), 50,000 RSVP. Trump's media attention instincts are superb.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/donald-trump-to-join-pm-modi-in-houston-to-address-50000-indian-americans-says-white-house/articleshow/71142937.cms
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/51844/trump-approval-climbs-tracks-better-obama-same-james-barrett?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=091719-news&utm_campaign=position1
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1. NY Times proves to be fake news, making Trump right (again) on what should be an outrageous claim. The nation's top newspaper is less accurate than our loose mouthed, detail challenged President. NPR and others serving derangement also took the bait.
2. Many of the Democrats on the top stage previously made their mark on the Senate Judiciary Committee attacking the integrity of Kavanaugh. They opposed due process and truth, participated in a witch trial, competed for attention and notoriety and voted against a perfectly qualified appointee of the opposing party for ostensibly all the wrong reasons. Harris, Booker, Klobuchar in particular, participated, also Warren and Sanders.
3. This was already poll tested immediately following the confirmation across the heartland. Sens. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, and Claire McCaskill of Missouri all voted against Kavanaugh and lost their seats in the Senate, during an otherwise Democrat year.
4. They are still stepping in it. See tweets:
Last year the Kavanaugh nomination was rammed through the Senate without a thorough examination of the allegations against him. Confirmation is not exoneration, and these newest revelations are disturbing. Like the man who appointed him, Kavanaugh should be impeached.
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) September 15, 2019
I sat through those hearings. Brett Kavanaugh lied to the U.S. Senate and most importantly to the American people. He was put on the Court through a sham process and his place on the Court is an insult to the pursuit of truth and justice.
He must be impeached.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) September 15, 2019
Warren and Harris aren't just trying to win Massachusetts and California anymore, and one of them may wish to win more than just the Dem nomination.
5. The fight over Kavanaugh was admitted by her activist lawyers to be a surrogate fight over the unrestricted right to an abortion. The Democratic Party narrowed its reach by purging all that don't follow that doctrine even though science keeps proving further and further that the unborn is alive, human and or distinct DNA from the father and mother. Meanwhile the rest of the public isn't buying the sacrosanctity of the right to kill your offspring.
Gallup for example says: 60% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/06/25/gallup-poll-60-of-americans-want-all-or-most-abortions-made-illegal/
The people outside of the Left wing bubble are not part of the unlimited abortion death cult.
6. Not Kavanaugh by name, but Trump's promise to appoint Justices like Kavanaugh was one of the largest factors pulling his side together and pushing Trump over the Presidential finish line. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh turned out to be excellent picks, among Trump's biggest accomplishments and promises kept. That commitment alone helps Republicans, conservatives, libertarians and constitutionalists to come together and pull the lever for an otherwise flawed man seeking reelection in an extremely divided environment.
Liberal judicial activism sells well at a Warren rally and in a Democrat debate, but not as well across the heartland or in the electoral college, another constitutional relic they used to favor and now seek to go around and then abolish.
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A recent Harvard/Harris Poll of 2,531 registered voters shows why.
Unlike other polls, this one attempted to gauge support for Trump and a Democratic opponent without using any names. The question just described their respective agendas.
Here’s the text:
“Which candidate are you more likely to vote for:
“A presidential candidate who stands for the green new deal on climate change, Medicare for all, free college tuition, opening our borders to many more immigrants and raising taxes to pay for these programs.”
Or …
“A presidential candidate who stands for lower taxes and reduced government regulations, strengthening our military, strengthening our border to reduce illegal immigrants, standing up more to China and Iran and seeking better trade deals for the US.”
You’d be hard-pressed to come up with a more concise description of what President Donald Trump and any of the leading Democratic candidates stand for.
The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.
Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda.
The poll went further and broke out specific policy issues. There wasn’t one item on the Democratic agenda that came in the top six. Only 38% say they were likely to vote for a candidate who promised to “raise taxes to pay for these programs.” On the other hand, 83% said they’d likely support a candidate who promised to lower taxes.
https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/19/dems-will-have-to-lie-about-their-agenda-to-win-poll-shows/
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"The result: A stunning 61% say they’d vote for Trump’s agenda.
Among independents, 65% chose the Trump agenda, as did every age group except those 18-34, who split 50-50. Even among Democrats, more than a third said they’d vote against the candidate pushing the current Democratic agenda."
excellent find. Excellent points.
if Trump only listened to us and many others about controlling his impulsiveness .
there is not question his some of his personality flaws are killing him .
at the same time he is the only one with a fighting spirit and stick to it ness (so to speak) on the right side of the political aisle
so some of her traits are good.
what can I say . like all of us here we vote for the agenda
personality is out the window.
the left has always done that.
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-discovers-minnesota-is-turning-to-trump/
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-discovers-minnesota-is-turning-to-trump/
Perhaps the residents Mogadishuapolis are getting tired of the crime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPdvckwMS0
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https://m.thebl.com/politics/trump-could-be-the-republican-with-the-highest-percentage-of-african-american-vote-in-history.html
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:x
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/trump-reportedly-regrets-passage-jailbreak-first-step-act-gullible-conservatives-supported/
Thanks J rod
I was wondering why we haven't see the J rod in the news lately. I guess he is too busy fixing the Middle East.
watch crime go up in a few yrs .
well see........
Maybe this might a make a microscopic dent in the AFrican American vote
may a percent or two.
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https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2020&election_full=False&fbclid=IwAR3md0wdSB0TrPmYwzRprg6sPfHIP7VHQJWQWWlWujUOO-JCjJF4y26dVss
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https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2020&election_full=False&fbclid=IwAR3md0wdSB0TrPmYwzRprg6sPfHIP7VHQJWQWWlWujUOO-JCjJF4y26dVss
I would love to see her lose twice to Trump.
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All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say, but everyone knows that isn't true and this topic is consuming him. Instead of the instant crash that someone caught up in something like this should expect, it looks like Biden will suffer a slow political death for his corruption. He still leads in some polls but the underlying rationale for Biden, that he alone can beat Trump, is gone.
Biden is now in 5th place in the money race [counting Trump], with no sign that he can turn that around. Most of that lost enthusiasm happened before Ukraine blew up.
On the surface, it is Warren who benefits. She becomes the new frontrunner but doesn't really gain a supporter. She will benefit more from Bernie's fall, but that is far from certain at this point. She may be frontrunner now, but still is a Left-laner, not a uniter. She may be exactly the socialist, anti-capitalist that Trump has hoped all along to run against. She is not in the business of hiding her real views, like Obama used to.
It's strange with all these contestants that no one else is in a position to gain from Biden's fall. Bullock, Bennet, Klobuchar? Beto, Butti, Booker? No one can see it.
The dynamic of this race has changed even though the polls have not yet.
Ed Rogers explores the question of who benefits, but doesn't find a good answer:
https://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/ed-rogers-who-benefits-from-a-biden-collapse/article_d459bc88-e615-11e9-9459-af036b5227d3.html
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" .All the statements of the msm and Dems (redundancy apology) indicate Biden is fine; he did nothing wrong, they say "
it is really ASTOUNDING to see the MSM covering for him
the freaking blatant hypocricy
for all to witness in glaring obviosity
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https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/cory-booker-if-you-come-after-joe-biden-youre-going-to-have-to-deal-with-me/
I was speaking to someone who was evidently a very liberal Jewish guy
I mentioned how Cory grew up right near us.
He then proceeded to tell me how brilliant he is and that in addition he speaks Yiddish
I could just see him speaking to a local synagogue speaking in Yiddish (who speaks this anymore anyway?)
like he speaks a bit of Spanish
and all the old Jewish ladies thinking what a nice mench
The same guy then excused his poor showing as explaining not being "his time".
Oh vey , we are going to have to hear Cory for every election for the next 30 yrs? :-o
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His schtick on his relationship with Judaism and Jews is actually pretty damn good. Definitely more than superficial.
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https://www.jta.org/2019/02/01/politics/five-jewish-things-about-cory-booker
:-o
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&fbclid=IwAR1DxowtD0F9bR184RltWNXRMrEoV8bn33S6q4MTRN8-PPYWuArG7BTTEdg
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Headline here is dishonest, but the substance remarkable nonetheless
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pete-buttigieg-thinks-it-should-be-legal-to-knowingly-give-someone-hiv
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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/465806-progressive-group-releases-supreme-court-shortlist-for-2020?fbclid=IwAR13DYEc1UinUfcmYigtaGy1yhgoHzwkdrMTlpyVjBoSW610fdZoYVcCh08
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anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?
but I like Wang.
I meant too bad Wang is a leftist
I do not like Steyer at all
Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.
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anyone know how much it cost him to qualify for yesterday's debate?
too bad he is a Leftist
but I like Wang.
Wang is particularly interesting and novel.
The only one with real creative ideas in my (of course very humble ) opinion.
"too bad he is a Leftist"! Without sarcasm, Steyer is a very scary Leftist.
Yang and Tulsi are the only ones that are interesting. In both cases, their views don't fully hold up to scrutiny. They are not as far Left as the others and they won't be the nominee by splitting with Leftist orthodoxy. Amy would be the reasonable moderate if her manufactured public image was her real self.
Separate from substance or ideology different from ours, was there anyone on the stage who made you want to hear more from them? Not for me. Butti - no. Harris - no. Booker - no. Beto - toast. Lightweights. Maybe good for student council speeches.
Bernie is back.
Biden tried to compete with Bernie's anger. Biden said his son did nothing wrong, he did nothing wrong, and there was no follow up. That means the others including the moderators know he is done.
Warren is the front runner but is loaded with weaknesses.
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Each candidate, especially the also-rans, believed this was their big,make or break chance. Mean and bitchy Amy had her sweet smile face on. She jumped in where she had nothing to say and pivoted to a story about herself. 'This isn't flyover country to me; it's where I live. I'm so popular here that I won Michelle Bachmann's district - 3 times. [How many watching know who that is or anything about the political balance of that district? She didn't run or win against anyone like Trump!] Amy went on with her rehearsed and scripted joke: 'I'm going to build a blue wall around these Midwest states and make Donald Trump pay for it!' Ha, Ha ha! Except no one laughed. No one even smiled at it or acknowledged the attempt at humor. That was supposed to bring the house down. She scolded a small audience in Iowa, that's where you're supposed to applaud. Pretty much the same excitement level for all the others.
No question or comment on China or Hong Kong.
Zero questions on Climate Change. Existential.
No questions about the national debt.
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This is shocking. (sarc.)
My fear is that they are trying to paint Warren as the moderate. Will Warren respond to the renewal of the Bernie challenge by pretending to be more moderate or by embracing all his wacko views as she has already done.
AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders in 2020 Democratic presidential primary
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/15/democratic-primary-aoc-endorse-bernie-sanders-president/3994047002/
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/466017-omar-endorses-sanders-presidential-bid
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-claims-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidate/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_content=Hillary%20Clinton%20Claims%20Russians%20%E2%80%98Grooming%E2%80%99%20Tulsi%20Gabbard%20as%20Third-Party%20Candidate&utm_term=18371206
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https://www.jns.org/opinion/gabbard-co-sponsors-omars-pro-bds-bill/?fbclid=IwAR0sNKJcQmwLMQLKe473wVXFXjiehrTL_6R8qmaNDH5GphB16wqMqoPiKPI
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html?fbclid=IwAR2Ou8IWAcgdPMTdoGYAe5PQYODnhrKW_g9ffZvgws0UXRx8AGlL8RYezQk
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https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/10/21/20924507/video-us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-trains-with-ufc-champ-weili-zhang?fbclid=IwAR037sxzjRRpXJpQVd-_Q7-c9KoGvCNr9Qw7v0r1eyKmBaYC3LT1LQP5-LU
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her knees, elbows, and roundhouses look crisp painful :-o
CD, might you invite her to a stick fight? :-D
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Eh, I thought her rather slow :evil:
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CD,
Do you think she could take booti?
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"Booti"?
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Her name for him is Mayor Pete
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Oh, you mean Wife Buttgig-- why didn't you say so?
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Its biden, its harris, no its warren, now booti, next month clinton redux x 3, maybe the big lib boomer (wait wasn't he .a republican then independent or just whoever will have him?)
Steyer found money can't buy everything.......
I predict warren and outside shot clinton.
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http://www.dickmorris.com/buttigieg-emerges-as-warrens-chief-challenger-2020-election-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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dems now running
back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html
all a bunch of garbage polls with about as much believability as the rest of CNN.
Perhaps should have posted in the humor thread :evil:
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quote author=ccp
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back to plugged botoxed, face lifted red eyed man
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/cnn-poll-biden-lead-increases/index.html
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Warren's test drive as front runner lasted about a minute.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Not because Biden improved but because Warren looks like a loser against Trump. Dems don't trust the polls that say any Dem beats Trump. I should have been sending her money instead of ripping her policies on the forum.
Best prediction on what we know now: all the top Dems win delegates and we go into a divided Dem convention, mid-July, 2020 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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Question for Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas):
You were given a huge round of applause when you said “yes” to the following question: “Do you think religious institutions, like colleges, churches, charities, should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?”
Could you please answer that question again, so the Trump campaign can get another camera angle?
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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/466868-coulter-debate-questions-that-the-democrats-should-have-been-asked
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Stone is right of course about impeachment, but what I find interesting about this article is the mention of a new biography on Spartacus.
I really don't follow state or local news much, and I have not heard any negative news about the Yiddish Rhodes Scholar so that will be of interest to me:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/25/roger-stone-naive-to-believe-donald-trump-will-not/
OTOH there is something lkable about Corey. Of course he is a Democrat Party operative
but he just isn't as detestable to me as most of the other Dems for some reason. :|
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Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and Minnesota U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar will appear together next month at the University of Minnesota.
The Nov. 3 rally in the Northrop Auditorium on the Minneapolis campus is Sanders’ first visit to the state since this summer, when he campaigned at the State Fair. Omar, a first-term congresswoman from Minneapolis, was one of three freshman Democrats who recently endorsed Sanders' campaign for president in 2020.
They include New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who held a rally with Sanders in Queens last week. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat from Michigan, also endorsed Sanders and is holding a rally with him in Detroit.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/25/sanders-omar-to-rally-in-minneapolis
Doors open at 4:30 p.m. and the rally is scheduled to start at 6 p.m. It’s free and open to the public.
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This will be big.
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The gifts they just keep coming :-D
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Hey all!
Thought I would pop in and relay what is happening with Trump with us "simple" people.
The support for Trump is solid. And frankly, we not only don't care about the comments he makes, we actually love it that he is fighting and is crass as time. He speaks as we speak, and understands us.
There are some hard right that claim they will not vote for him because he has not built the wall yet, or else not stopped illegal immigration, but those are a small minority, and most will vote for him in the end.
There is growing support for Trump among blacks and hispanics, those who are not dependent upon government handouts. Just that alone would be enough to put him over the top.
As to Biden, I would direct you to an article I wrote last week. It was a series, The 12 Days of Corrupt Democratic Politicians.
This was Day 11, Joe Biden day. https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/)
What I got out of doing the series was a true understanding of just how corrupt all politicians are. And why all are fighting Trump and the Ukraine. The corruption is just unbelievable.
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Good work Pat. Tracking corruption with Democrats is exhausting work. I haven't read it all yet but would point out that day 5 on John Brennan is particularly good.
The Pulitzer Prize was awarded to the New York Times And The Washington Post for Russian Collusion stories that all turned out to be false. When they take back that award, maybe they can award it to PP for this series at Spartareport.com.
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Thanks! It was fun doing it, until the last couple. Just too much info and did not want to write a book.
New series will be the 12 Days of News Media Idiots. Problem there is that they are all idiots, so how do I select who fits in the 12 Days.
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great summary of 'some' of the Clintons scandals. No doubt there are more we don't even know about.
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Pat:
I went to the site and could find only Hillary and Brennan, and could not open the Biden one.
Would love to have the URLs for all 12!
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Let me see what I can do.
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https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-the-1st-day/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-the-1st-day/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-day-2/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democrat-politicians-day-2/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-3/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-3/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-4/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-4/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-5/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-5/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-6/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-6/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-7/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-7/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians/) (day 8)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-9/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-9/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-his-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-10/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pu-presents-his-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-10/)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/193310/) (Joe Biden Day 11)
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pus-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-12/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/10/pus-the-12-days-of-corrupt-democratic-politicians-day-12/)
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Thank you 8-)
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189715310766645254/video/1
and they missed a few, 8 million people off of food stamps, lowest Hispanic, black, female unemployment in history, etc.
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8-) 8-) 8-)
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/1/private-group-seeks-volunteers-conceal-carry-permi/
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/1/private-group-seeks-volunteers-conceal-carry-permi/
I think I mentioned wanting a concealed carry escort to the Minneapolis rally and one reason I didn't go was because I didn't feel secure about walking back to the car after the rally to the edges of downtown that already are after-hours murder zones [and not exactly Trump country]:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=576634548ffc4304bf9df0fb2b802f8d
"Concealed carry" is one thing. Brandishing the weapon without justification is another, generally the "fear that death or grievous bodily harm is about to come to someone due to the violent actions of another".
https://www.quora.com/If-you-carry-a-concealed-weapon-under-what-circumstance-would-you-pull-it-out
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Just weeks after saying, "hell yeah!" [We're gonna come and take your guns.]
They weren't supposed to say that out loud.
Where will his voter go now??
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https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-MONDALE-LEADS-REAGAN-IN-TRIAL-HEAT-FOR-THE-PRESIDENCY-1983-01.pdf
Harris survey: In a trial heat for the 1984 presidential election, former Vice President Walter Mondale is now leading President Ronald Reagan by a 53-44 percent margin. This is the first time in modern political history that an incumbent president has run behind his potential opponent so early in his term.
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Results 1984:
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1988, Dukakis Widens lead over Bush, [July 27 1988]
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html
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Far out. :-D
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https://spectator.us/mesmerizing-mediocrity-trumps-opponents/
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I saw on TV that Sanders released his immigration border policy. Do we anything on the specifics?
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Sparta Report has Day 1 of the 12 Days of News Media Clowns up. John Harwood is Day 1.
https://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-news-media-clowns-day-1/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/pu-presents-the-12-days-of-news-media-clowns-day-1/)
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Anderson Cooper will possibly be his first "interview" -
Zucker already holding a champaign donor meet in NYC with the big leftest Dems
The elites will love him
pro business
major lib policies , but not stupid policies
and he will pretend he is a compromiser and problem solver - of course as long as one accepts major liberal policies.
Not sure how he would do on the national stage
He could be a real threat...
Hillary will likely jump in too.
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NYC Jew coming to take your guns and your sodas vs. he could really mock Trump the psuedo-billionaire business genius.
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about Virginia
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/7/eric-holders-idea-fair-all-democrats-all-time/
again read he might well jump in for Prez
Prefers big gov and liberal policies to help minorities
which is his total MO
identity politics
Obama redux....
Lets see , Democrat field to go from Butti, Liz, Joe, Bernie, Kamela , Cory
to Hill, Napoleon Eric, Steys
One worse than the other
Eric, the reparations king, and corrupt, is justs as polarizing as Hillary.
Sure I see him as representing me and all Americans and my country with uniformity ..... :roll:
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again read he might well jump in for Prez
Prefers big gov and liberal policies to help minorities
which is his total MO
identity politics
Obama redux....
Lets see , Democrat field to go from Butti, Liz, Joe, Bernie, Kamela , Cory
to Hill, Napoleon Eric, Steys
One worse than the other
Eric, the reparations king, and corrupt, is just as polarizing as Hillary.
Sure I see him as representing me and all Americans and my country with uniformity ..... :roll:
Had anyone heard of him before he was appointed AG? Never elected to anything. Because Trump did that, everyone thinks they can, but Holder is not an outside of any sort. He is perfectly entitled to enter the Dem field and compete for the nomination with his skills and baggage. Trump would love to run against the record of the Obama administration.
Trump is criticized that he is down to just yes-men serving him. Yes-man is all Holder brought to the AG job other than being (part) black.
https://outline.com/wxVa5d
I know of another Columbia Law School grad, outsider, that would make a much better President than Holder.
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Anderson Cooper will possibly be his first "interview" -
Zucker already holding a champaign donor meet in NYC with the big leftest Dems
The elites will love him
pro business
major lib policies , but not stupid policies
and he will pretend he is a compromiser and problem solver - of course as long as one accepts major liberal policies.
Not sure how he would do on the national stage
He could be a real threat...
Hillary will likely jump in too.
NYC Jew coming to take your guns and your sodas vs. he could really mock Trump the psuedo-billionaire business genius.
Definitely a wild card, but at this point I think people see him as a Democrat.
In terms of election rules, I don't see why he gets a free ride to the general election when you look at all the hoops Obama, Trump, McCain, Romney, Hillary (and Beto, Kamala, Newt, etc.) have to jump through to (try to) get there.
Don't people resent that he gets there just because of money?
Yes, he is a more authentic billionaire than Trump (Trump isn't rich enough?), he gives more to charity, but this election will be about policies, results and emotions. He is roughly the same age as Bernie Sanders. I can't see him filling the Superdome and thrilling the crowd for hours (with his vision of smaller sodas).
"As of November 2019, his net worth was estimated at $53 billion,[3] making him the 9th richest person in the United States and the 14th richest person in the world."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg
He could hurt either side, but more likely the Dems. If they pick an AOC-Omar Dem like Warren or Bernie, he gives moderate Dems an acceptable anti-Trump choice. If they pick a moderate he splits their vote. None of the current Dems are exciting anyone. He also picks off some Kasich-like, never-Trumpers, but none of the base.
Most likely he finds out like everyone else does that running for President is harder than it looks.
Bloomberg Agenda: Coercive Paternalism. How does a guy who doesn't trust a restaurant or a patron to size their own soda not insult his voters as he explains that? I'm offended and I don't even like soda. What will he restrict next?
Yet he trusts you to kill your own baby: "As mayor, Bloomberg pushed radical pro-abortion policies on New York City, including an ordinance that restricted pro-life pregnancy centers’ free speech."
https://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/16/new-york-mayor-bloomberg-signs-bill-hurting-pregnancy-centers/
https://www.lifenews.com/2018/09/18/pro-abortion-billionaire-michael-bloomberg-considering-2020-presidential-bid/
https://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/02/bloomberg-gives-planned-parenthood-250k-as-40-of-nyc-babies-aborted/
https://www.lifenews.com/2014/05/02/billionaire-mike-bloomberg-promises-to-push-eugenics-after-winning-planned-parenthood-award/
He is a pro-abortion, anti-gun, government-knows-best Democrat who used to be a Republican. He is not in the Democrat primaries only because he knew he couldn't win, not because he isn't one of them.
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" .Don't people resent that he gets there just because of money?"
I sure do.
Didn't stop Tommy Steyer from getting into a debate only because of his cash.
Though all his cash has not provided dividends :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/tom-steyer-proves-money-doesnt-matter/
Boomer the NYC Jewish Napoleon does have more name recognition and has had one elected office (mayor)
then Tommy .
NYC mayors have a lot of ego but have not done well though : Ruddy , Deblasay etc.
But 20 billion can only help .
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Bloomberg is 77?
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https://patriotpost.us/articles/66677-clinton-throws-cold-water-on-elizabeth-warren?mailing_id=4643&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4643&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
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https://patriotpost.us/articles/66677-clinton-throws-cold-water-on-elizabeth-warren?mailing_id=4643&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4643&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
From underneath a pile of empty Chardonnay boxes, Hillary plots her return...
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https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2019/09/24/michael-bloomberg-dropped-from-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-first-department-rules/?slreturn=20191008175850
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Revise and extend... I wrote yesterday (erroneously?) thinking Bloomberg was jumping in as independent bypassing the primaries but he is (allegedly) jumping in as a Democrat joining the Dem field. That is a different matter. He is entirely qualified to join that field, perhaps the most qualified in it. And he is properly labeled; Bloomberg is a Democrat.
Quoting Ralph Nader, more voices, more choices!
I don't know how 'pro-business' he is, but certainly more so than the AOC Sanders Warren wing.
His money alone will not buy him a single vote much less win him the nomination and I don't see how, if he is moderate, he unites that party. His money will help get his message out, whatever that is. His message will win or lose the race.
Who in this race is the swing state, two term or more former Democrat running with executive experience running (with Hickenlooper out)? No one. Not Biden, not Warren, not Harris, not Booker, not Gabbard and so on. Sanders and Butti were mayors of relatively small towns. Mayor of NYC counts as real experience. Whether it was good or bad experience is a matter for voters to judge.
I don't know much about his 'business' experience. Bloomberg (LP) is more than just 'journalism', includes financial services and software. If he catches on, we will probably learn more about that, but hard to argue he was not successful.
He wrote read the book on coercive paternalism, one component of the current Dem governance.
Looking at it from the Republican side, some wish for Dems to choose their most far Left nominee so that he /she will be easier to beat. I say, be careful what you wish for, sometimes they win, cf. Barack Obama. The Republic would survive a Bloomberg presidency. Not so sure with the others.
I think he won't win the nomination but will be a nice contrast and challenge on stage to the Warren wing rhetoric. His policies, if they mostly involve sanity, won't placate the base. I still fear he will enter later as an independent which is unfair; the general election is not a losers bracket for billionaires. But even then I think he would mostly take from the Dem side.
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I'm sure it is a coincidence that he entered after Forked Tongue Warren's Asset Forfeiture Tax on billionaires , , ,
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" .I'm sure it is a coincidence that he entered after Forked Tongue Warren's Asset Forfeiture Tax on billionaires , , ,"
That even got Bill Gates' attention.
I haven't read what Warren Buffet thinks. You know the guy who is mighty happy to pay more because he thinks wealthy people don't pay enough.
Suddenly, the confiscation is no longer in "pocket change" amounts for these billionaires.
My personal opinion is they already pay plenty - too much - like most of us little people.
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When they pass the wealth tax, make sure they put the agreed limits in the amendment:
Wealth below $50 million, inflation adjusted, cannot be taxed. Wealth 50 million to 1 billion, inflation adjusted, cannot be taxed above 2% and wealth greater than 1 billion, inflation adjusted, cannot be taxed above 3%.
Better yet, in the spirit of equal protection under the law, write the amendment to say that all wealth must be taxed equally or not taxed at all, and see if that gets it stopped.
These morons cannot point to one place where their proposed policies have worked.
There is not transaction or money flow associated with a tax on an unsold asset. Your family business becomes not your family business. Your home becomes not your home. That you support it because it applies only to others and not to you or your family is wrong on so many levels.
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Mayor Pete’s Latest Trillions
His ‘economic’ agenda is all spending and taxes and no growth.
By The Editorial Board
Nov. 10, 2019 3:28 pm ET
Democratic presidential hopeful Mayor Pete Buttigieg speaks during a town hall in Lebanon, NH, on November 9, 2019. PHOTO: JIM WATSON/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
Pete Buttigieg is getting a hard look from anxious Democrats. If Joe Biden can’t perform better and Elizabeth Warren seems unelectable, then who’s on deck? Maybe it’s Pete, the mild Midwestern mayor. Over the past month Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place, with about 7% support.
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As a result, he’ll be getting more scrutiny for his ideas, and on Friday he released what he called “An Economic Agenda for American Families.” For a candidate who wants to occupy the moderate lane, Mr. Buttigieg’s policy details veer notably left. Some highlights:
• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”
• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.
• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”
• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”
• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”
• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”
• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”
• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.
• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”
This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”
So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.
Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.
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Some observations of mine in addition to those of the WSJ.
Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place [of Democrats], with about 7% support [of Democrats].
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• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”
- His first point falls right into the Leftist strategy of getting your children from birth. This is a cultural issue, not just a fiscal issue. Besides the children, the childcare teachers are indoctrinated too - at your expense.
• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.
- His second point falls right into the Leftist strategy of defining upward the income levels that need help from the government. cf. Life of Julia. Obamacare assistance went up to 4 times the poverty level. This is way more than that.
• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”
- More people dependent on the government, right while the private is growing more jobs and paying more income to more people than ever.
• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”
- More people dependent on the government, kind of a theme.
• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”
- More people dependent on the government. Like Bill Clinton used to say in every SOTU, "we can do more..."
• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”
- More people dependent on the government. The Federal Government.
• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”
- More people dependent on the federal government. Eventually he will hit a good program - by accident? Nothing is private sector. Nothing is state and local responsibility - because that wouldn't count as an agenda.
• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.
- Repeal the laws of supply and demand, then admit it and try to help the people the policy is hurting.
• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”
- Repeal the constitution? No right to work. Win the union bosses, but not the workers.
WSJ continued: This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”
So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.
- Repeal Trump's economic growth and wage growth. First denuy it, then repeal it.
Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.
- Less than Warren is not "Lite".
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Yeah, but Trump tweets mean things!
Some observations of mine in addition to those of the WSJ.
Mr. Buttigieg has risen steadily in the Real Clear Politics polling average to a solid fourth place [of Democrats], with about 7% support [of Democrats].
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• $700 billion—presumably over 10 years, but the plan doesn’t specifically say—for “universal, high-quality, and full-day early learning.” That includes giving “lower-income families” free care “from birth through age five.”
- His first point falls right into the Leftist strategy of getting your children from birth. This is a cultural issue, not just a fiscal issue. Besides the children, the childcare teachers are indoctrinated too - at your expense.
• $500 billion “to make college affordable.” That means free tuition at public universities for the 80% of students whose families earn up to $100,000 a year. Households under $150,000 would get discounts.
- His second point falls right into the Leftist strategy of defining upward the income levels that need help from the government. cf. Life of Julia. Obamacare assistance went up to 4 times the poverty level. This is way more than that.
• $430 billion for “affordable housing.” That includes enabling “one million low-income families to become homeowners” through support such as “federal down payment assistance.”
- More people dependent on the government, right while the private is growing more jobs and paying more income to more people than ever.
• $400 billion to top off the Earned Income Tax Credit, which would “increase incomes by an average of $1,000 per year for 35 million American families.”
- More people dependent on the government, kind of a theme.
• $200 billion to “provide transition assistance for displaced workers and communities.”
- More people dependent on the government. Like Bill Clinton used to say in every SOTU, "we can do more..."
• $80 billion to “deliver high-speed broadband internet to underserved communities.”
- More people dependent on the government. The Federal Government.
• $50 billion for “workforce training and lifelong learning.”
- More people dependent on the federal government. Eventually he will hit a good program - by accident? Nothing is private sector. Nothing is state and local responsibility - because that wouldn't count as an agenda.
• A $15 national minimum wage, which includes eliminating “the tipped minimum wage and the subminimum wage” that today lets disabled workers and students in vocational training get into the job market and learn skills to advance.
- Repeal the laws of supply and demand, then admit it and try to help the people the policy is hurting.
• “An end to so-called ‘right-to-work’ laws” in 27 states, plus governance changes to “enable multi-employer bargaining and ensure that gig workers can unionize.”
- Repeal the constitution? No right to work. Win the union bosses, but not the workers.
WSJ continued: This isn’t an economic agenda, and there isn’t a pro-growth item anywhere. It’s a social-welfare spending and union wish list. Mr. Buttigieg tosses off these grand plans in a seven-page campaign paper, which mentions not once how he intends to pay for them. Don’t forget the billions more he has allocated to green energy, as well as his $1.5 trillion health-care public option, “Medicare for All Who Want It.”
So far Mayor Pete’s agenda totals $5.7 trillion, as his campaign told the Indianapolis Star last week. Mr. Buttigieg plans to pay for it, the Star reports, “largely through a capital gains tax on the top 1% of all earners and through eliminating President Donald Trump’s tax cuts.” Details to come later, apparently.
- Repeal Trump's economic growth and wage growth. First denuy it, then repeal it.
Mayor Pete’s policy wish list is shorter and cheaper than Elizabeth Warren’s, but it still includes gigantic tax increases to finance a huge expansion of the welfare and entitlement state. Call it Warren lite.
- Less than Warren is not "Lite".
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of course explains the pros outweigh the cons on Boomer for both Repubs and Dems:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-presidential-campaign-upsides-for-left-and-right/
as expected
for those who would love government to work again like it did prior to Trump, Boomer fits the bill
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Williamson is right on one point. Democrats will pick someone worse than Bloomberg.
He doesn't say what Bloomberg did that makes him say "Bloomberg boasts an excellent record in office as mayor of New York City". This article from the further left tells more:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mayor-bloombergs-legacy-t_b_4525526
He balanced a budget that has to be balanced by "initiat[ing] the largest city tax increase in modern history."
Record homelessness [and taxes that the rich can't wait to escape]. He could do the for the whole nation.
Stop and frisk: Police stopping blacks and Latinos for no crime. This rose 600% under Bloomberg. "...largest use of preventive detention of political protesters in more than 230 years on United States history."
"Many of those arrested were caught in large orange nets that police indiscriminately tossed over sidewalk “holding pens” for protesters. For the imaginary crime of illegally protesting or blocking traffic or defying nonexistent police orders to disperse, more than 1,800 people were handcuffed and bussed to an abandoned, filthy city-owned pier on the West Side highway. They were denied phone calls, medications, food, or even a mat to sit on the oil and chemical covered ground. Many were held in this condition for more than 24 hours, despite court orders to release them.
The city paid out millions to settle, but Mayor Bloomberg commended the police department’s performance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/24/nyregion/new-york-is-said-to-settle-suits-over-arrests-at-2004-gop-convention.html
As for the treatment of the peaceful protesters, the mayor remarked, “It’s not supposed to be Club Med.”
"a billionaire mayor who governed New York City as though he were its king"
No first amendment, no second amendment, no fourth, fifth, 9th or 10th, but let me guess, the trains ran on time.
That's what suburban voters want?
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If Amy Klobuchar, Michael Bennet, Steve Bullock and John Delaney lack charisma, it’s not because Michael Bloomberg has been hoarding it.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/11/11/the_futility_of_bloomberg_2020_141704.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=qRZ6NdYEAFQ&feature=emb_logo
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here we go as expected; step by step :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-many-many-many-people-are-urging-her-to-run-for-president-in-2020/2019/11/12/ec690f66-059d-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html
she refuses to see even more people are DREADING her entering the race - even many Democrats!
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here we go as expected; step by step :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-many-many-many-people-are-urging-her-to-run-for-president-in-2020/2019/11/12/ec690f66-059d-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html
she refuses to see even more people are DREADING her entering the race - even many Democrats!
PLEASE do!
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just happens to be Harvard lawyer
another Mass governor
and civil rights man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick
He wants to be president of all of us - i guess like someone else we know
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just happens to be Harvard lawyer
another Mass governor
and civil rights man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick
He wants to be president of all of us - i guess like someone else we know
Democrats seems to agree with me / us that none of the existing candidates are compelling.
Latest poll suggests the mayor who implemented a new utility billing system in South Bend is leading Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Klobuchar et al in Iowa.
If more so called moderates jump in to split that vote, doesn't that just help Warren, Sanders (and Trump)?
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The Pete Buttigieg Experience
The mayor isn’t the only one who wants to leave South Bend.
By James Freeman
Nov. 18, 2019 2:12 pm ET
Pete Buttigieg is surging again in presidential campaign polls, and media observers are once again asking whether the mayor of South Bend, Indiana has enough experience to run the U.S. government. Meanwhile, the latest depressing story out of South Bend suggests that what Mr. Buttigieg lacks most of all is achievement.
Liz McLeod
@LizMcLeod
...meanwhile, during the #PeteSummit lunch break #teampete #highhopes
He has certainly achieved a large measure of popularity among Iowa Democrats. Brianne Pfannenstiel reports in the Des Moines Register:
Pete Buttigieg has rocketed to the top of the latest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll in the latest reshuffling of the top tier of 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.
Since September, Buttigieg has risen 16 percentage points among Iowa’s likely Democratic caucusgoers, with 25% now saying he is their first choice for president. For the first time in the Register’s Iowa Poll, he bests rivals Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who are now clustered in competition for second place and about 10 percentage points behind the South Bend, Indiana, mayor.
But back home in Indiana, one of the mayor’s most distinguished employees has decided he’s had enough. Marek Mazurek reports in the South Bend Tribune today:
Last year, Elijah Arias was recognized as the South Bend Police Department’s Officer of the Year.
Earlier this month, Arias and two other former South Bend officers were sworn in at the Mishawaka Police Department, leaving South Bend with a shortfall of officers after two recent recruiting cycles yielded no new hires.
Doesn’t anybody want to work for Mayor Pete? Mr. Mazurek reports:
The South Bend Police Department has come under increased national scrutiny in connection with Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign following the fatal shooting of Eric Logan, who is black, by a white officer in June...
Sgt. Harvey Mills, president of the Fraternal Order of Police in South Bend, believes Buttigieg’s actions following the incident drove some away from the force.
“There were a lot of officers that left as a result of Mayor Buttigieg’s comments and lack of support,” Mills said.
In the aftermath of the Logan shooting, Buttigieg wrote in a campaign email “All police work and all of American life takes place in the shadow of racism.”
All of South Bend life takes place in the shadow of rising violence. Last month, Christian Sheckler reported in the Tribune:
Through August, the latest month for which full statistics are available, South Bend had seen 10 homicides, an increase from five over the same period last year. The pace of homicides increased in September, with four killings in the city in the past month...
Through the end of August, 79 people had been injured or killed in shootings this year. That’s an increase of almost 60 percent compared with the 50 shootings through the same period in 2018.
In another South Bend Tribune story in today’s edition, Allie Kirkman notes that South Bend schools have “suffered from reduced enrollment,” not exactly a sign of a thriving community. Nevertheless school officials are asking voters to approve another tax increase.
A recent editorial in the Tribune suggested that Mayor Pete’s school system is having just as hard a time as the police department in attracting and retaining valuable employees:
In September, South Bend had 16 teaching jobs still open. In contrast, other local school districts, including School City of Mishawaka and Penn-Harris-Madison School Corp., were fully staffed.
South Bend Last night Mr. Buttigieg wrote in an email to presidential campaign supporters:
When I announced my campaign for president, I knew it was more than a little bold. Here was a youthful, Midwestern Mayor stepping forward as a candidate for the highest office in the land. We heard things like, “Is this for real?” and “Why now?”
As people study his record as mayor, Mr. Buttigieg may also hear things like, “Why should we apply your South Bend model nationwide?”
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Elizabeth Warren’s Problem
Mr. Buttigieg’s rise has been fueled in part by voter concerns about the health plan advanced by presidential campaign rival Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.). Those concerns may have room to grow. Shane Goldmacher, Sarah Kliff and Thomas Kaplan write in the New York Times that Sen. Warren is still struggling to market government-run health care:
...speaking to reporters the day after unveiling her Medicare for all financing plan, she uncharacteristically stumbled over the specifics, insisting, incorrectly, that only billionaires would see their taxes go up.
Meanwhile the U.K.’s government-run health plan hardly argues for a similar experiment in the U.S. Today Helen Puttick reports in the Times of London on the lengths patients of the National Health Service must go to find a safe operating room:
An NHS operating theatre has been mothballed because of staff shortages and patients having surgery are being taken to a mobile theatre run by a private company.
NHS Scotland is paying to transport people daily almost 40 miles from Aberdeen Royal Infirmary to have their operations at the temporary unit. One of the theatres in the hospital’s general surgery suite has been shut because the health board cannot find enough trained nurses to safely provide treatment there.
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Supply side advocate Dan Mitchell exposes the free tuition fallacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Bpu1krwBoaw&feature=emb_logodvoc
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html
Trump's disapprovals however are higher. The issue remains, how many votes will Trump get from those who disapprove?
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Dem Debate last night. Who knew? Record low ratings?
New, big gaffes from Biden, lady fight with Tulsi v. Kamala, Warren, largely ignored, doesn't want the La. gov in the party, Klobuchar still can't get traction, Booker says he is the other Rhodes Scholar Mayor, and I don't know how to say it but Butti is the flavor of the month. Is that really their new frontrunner?
https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/who-won-democratic-debate-fifth/
https://nypost.com/2019/11/20/democratic-debate-joe-biden-says-we-need-to-keep-punching-at-domestic-violence/
https://reason.com/2019/11/20/tulsi-gabbard-slams-kamala-harris-foreign-policy-she-as-president-will-continue-the-status-quo-regime-change-wars/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/dems-iowa-frontrunner-coast/
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html
Trump's disapprovals however are higher. The issue remains, how many votes will Trump get from those who disapprove?
Even more than last time.
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My guess is that Baraq is giving serious consideration to busting a move for Deval Patrick.
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My guess is that Baraq is giving serious consideration to busting a move for Deval Patrick.
"No one is above the law"! Well, unless you are an illegal alien, a democrat or someone related to a democrat, or a member in good standing with the deep state, but the rule of law!!!!11!1!1111111!!!!!!!
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/11/14/this-is-disqualifying-old-story-on-deval-patrick-and-his-rapist-brother-in-law-shows-why-he-shouldnt-be-president/
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Butti leads in the latest polls in both Iowa and New Hampshire (but not in any national polls).
Butti currently has 0% support of blacks in South Carolina.
Democrat analysts and activists are calling for a stop to having Iowa and New Hampshire being the first two states, at least for Democrats, because of those states "whiteness".
As one conservative commentator puts it, pass the popcorn.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/21/20974228/pete-buttigieg-surge-explained-2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/black-south-bend-leader-endorses-biden-over-buttigieg-072885
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Marianne Williamson outpolls Buttgig in SC.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bloomberg-news-to-refrain-from-investigating-dem-presidential-candidates/
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bloomberg-news-to-refrain-from-investigating-dem-presidential-candidates/
Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates.
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The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , , :-D
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/25/democrats-worst-nightmare-polls-show-34-percent-of-black-likely-voters-approve-of-donald-trump/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191125&utm_content=B
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/25/democrats-worst-nightmare-polls-show-34-percent-of-black-likely-voters-approve-of-donald-trump/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191125&utm_content=B
If so, YUUUUUUuuuuuuuuge!
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"If so, YUUUUUUuuuuuuuuge!"
- Yes. Picking off their constituent groups one at a time. After blacks, gays, Hispanics and suburban women, let's win over young people.
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Previously: "The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , , :-D "
- Snark, but true.
"Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates."
- Worse than Soviet Prada in that regard. They only had one deep state media outlet to lie with.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/26/latinos-for-trump-supporters-hispanics-mexicans-attacks-immigrants-column/4224954002/
Lowest Hispanic unemployment in history. Continuing the flood of illegal entries drives down the wages for the less recent arrivals. He is a better President for all including Latinos than anyone should have thought in 2016.
If you are legal to vote, you are American, not Mexican or whatever. You have the same interest in peace, prosperity and secure borders as everyone else. You want America to be great and you are not under any threat of deportation.
"In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump got 28% of the Latino vote."
The 2016 election was essentially a tie. Trump needs to bump up that percentage slightly to win the election. If he wins closer to 40% of Hispanics, reelection is a landslide.
[The link is an anti-Trump article that cannot understand the Latinos for Trump movement.]
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2% of the US population (6 milion) watched the latest debate, down from 18 million in the first debate.
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Warren peaked in the first week of October, has dropped 14% since then. Is this a Bernie Biden fight? Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg? Battle of the 77-78 year olds. Bernie, Biden, Buttigieg? I will predict a divide of all 4, Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg.
Bernie is back from his health scare and in for the duration barring another more catastrophic setback that could happen to anyone. Warren's phoniness is fully exposed making Bernie the purer, angrier, more honest Socialist. Each cannot win unless the other drops out, a bit like the Rubio Cruz conundrum.
The Biden gaffe machine just keeps getting worse, but his support has stayed fairly steady:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/as-warren-fades-is-it-down-to-bernie-vs-biden/
Buttigieg rise comes from Biden's perceived weakness, not from his own eloquence, experience or ideas. Bloomberg is the unknown dividing that same lane. He has no personal appeal except a perception he can beat Trump. But his hundred million or billion is nothing compared to what the msm is already doing against Trump. We have already heard it all, and negative advertising is the only advertising that really works.
As it sits today, Butti could 'surprise' in Iowa and maybe NH. Biden may hold other states like SC. Bloomberg will test all that with his already started media blitz into Super Tuesday.
Conceivably this stays divided in lanes and goes deep into the convention, unclinched and unsettled. In the end they settle very late on one of these deeply flawed candidates.
The timing and division of all this favors Trump.
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(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Screen-Shot-2019-11-27-at-8.52.46-AM.png)
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Perfect :-D
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign-special-interests.html
This alone already infuriates me from the Jewish Napoleon
so a 77 y o billionaire who made it to the top has to keep the excitement in his life but running for Prez:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/26/mike-bloomberg-government-should-recruit-an-awful-lot-more-immigrants/
That's right the billionaire wants more cheap labor for his business pals
and open the flood gates more. he has decided what is good for us.
F off .
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Bloomberg is also very gung ho for doing business with China.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-bloomberg-apologist-for-tyranny
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To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation, may I suggest our nickname for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?
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Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president. They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef
They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against? Watch his ads.
Is 78 too young to retire? Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire? Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws. A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking. These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in. Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.
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"To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation, may I suggest our nickname for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?"
Sure can.
Or we can consider "blimy": *British slang an exclamation of surprise or annoyance.* . (the latter certainly fits )
"Is 78 too young to retire? Is 460 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire? Is he serious about running for President??"
That is one reason Napoleon fits him, he is not the type of guy who likes to sit home and reflect his later yrs. He just has to be the big man in the room so running for Prez is the one thing he could not forgive himself for if at least doesn't try. It is not about us or the country . It is about him and his need to the top dog. Just my armchair analysis
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Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president. They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef
They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against? Watch his ads.
Is 78 too young to retire? Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire? Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws. A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking. These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in. Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.
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That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world.
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"That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world."
annual state budgets :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_budgets
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https://hermancain.com/bloomberg-need-levy-painful-taxes-poor-control-behavior-good/?fbclid=IwAR008TZTtOyopgLTznlZ-aSQ3viPCjiMgemo3548jnmTXn27arYmBg0xhRI
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Mayor Pete’s Senior Vote Plan
He wants government everywhere—including a public option 401(k).
By The Editorial Board
Updated Nov. 29, 2019 6:33 pm ET
Pete Buttigieg speaks in Denison, Iowa, Nov. 26. PHOTO: SCOTT OLSON/GETTY IMAGES
Pete Buttigieg would like to take care of you in your dotage—or, rather, he wants taxpayers to do it. This week his presidential campaign posted his latest policy plan, a 19-page outline for “dignity and security in retirement.” It’s hardly modest, which is why Mayor Pete has called it his Gray New Deal. He would:
• Expand Social Security with “a new special minimum benefit of 125 percent of the federal poverty line for any senior who has worked at least 30 years.” Unpaid caregivers of any “child, elderly, or disabled dependent” would be “awarded credit toward Social Security benefits” as if working for pay—applied in some cases “retroactively by five years.”
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Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost, but Social Security is on track to go broke as it is. The program is expected to pay more in benefits than it raises in taxes next year, and this funding gap will widen. Modest changes, such as raising the retirement age by one month every two years, would help, but Mayor Pete rules out benefit adjustments. That means tax, tax, tax.
• Raise money by applying unspecified “additional Social Security taxes” to personal income above $250,000. Meantime, “work with Congress to develop options for enshrining a process of automatically adjusting high earners’ contributions to keep Social Security solvent without ever cutting benefits.”
This is a huge tax increase. The current Social Security payroll tax is 12.4%, split between workers and employers. But it applies only to wages of $132,900, after which the tax comes off. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t specify a rate for his surtax, but he suggests it would cover all high income, from $250,000 to infinity. That would kill the fiction of Social Security as an “earned” program, even if Mayor Pete gives these people new “modest Social Security benefits for their extra contributions.”
• “Institute a Public Option 401(k).” Workers who put in 1.5% of their pay “would trigger an employer contribution of 3 percent.” Companies would be required to participate unless they already offer a 401(k) with a “sizeable employer match” or some other “generous retirement package.” As workers switch jobs they’d be able to “seamlessly roll their prior 401(k)s into the Public Option 401(k).”
This would weigh on hiring and wages, especially in small businesses, akin to a 3% head tax. The exemption for companies with “generous” retirement packages isn’t defined. The incentives seem designed to shunt trillions of dollars from private retirement accounts into a federal program that politicians could influence.
• Create a new entitlement for long-term care “to protect people over age 65 who require assistance with two or more activities of daily living.” The benefit would pay “$90 per day,” or about $33,000 a year, although the exact figure would be adjusted for regional differences and then indexed to inflation.
ObamaCare included a public option for long-term care, as readers may remember. Called the Class Act, it was meant to be a voluntary insurance program funded by premiums. But Congress specified it had to be actuarially sound for 75 years, and bipartisan majorities later repealed it. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t even mention costs.
• Expand eligibility for Medicaid’s coverage of long-term care by raising the income threshold from about $771 a month to $2,313, while lifting the asset ceiling to $10,000 from $2,000. Also, void the “estate recovery rules,” by which states “seek repayment of Medicaid costs from the estates of individuals who received long-term care benefits.”
This would accelerate Medicaid’s evolution into a middle-class entitlement for long-term care. No details—perhaps readers are sensing a pattern—of what it would cost.
• Nationalize oversight of care: “Set federal standards for residential care communities, including staffing ratios, required access to mental health clinicians, and annual inspections.” Similarly, create “a National Direct Care Workforce Standards Board” to cover “workforce issues, including rate setting recommendations, compensation and benefits, training and credentialing, and recruitment and turnover.”
This hyper-regulation is a recipe for shrinking supply, making care more expensive and worsening the problem Mr. Buttigieg says he wants to fix.
• “Require publicly-funded health and long-term care programs to routinely identify and assess family caregivers at each point of care delivery.” So the feds would monitor families?
Mr. Buttigieg presents himself as a moderate, but he keeps serving up more entitlements and a progressive technocracy. This is Elizabeth Warren Lite, with less honest math. Don’t worry how Mayor Pete will pay for it. President Pete the Rhodes Scholar will figure that out.
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"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"
- No he doesn't.
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"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"
- No he doesn't.
Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!
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"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"
- No he doesn't.
Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!
Yes, I was just going to re-title it, Rhodes Scholar, or whatever he is, doesn't do math. Could add, MSM doesn't ask, what will it cost?
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CNN: Harris drops from 17 to 3%
Warren dropped from 28 to 14%.
Two polls have trump black support surging to 34%.
I'm starting to believe people really do read the forum.
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:-D :-D :-D
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If Bloomberg will
take up the slack as the others slip underwater despite the treading
I would think he could take out Buttigieg. By many measurements successful NYC mayor vs a so so mayor of S, Bend .
I was wrong it appears about Warren, I thought she was going to be the nominee but the elites and MSM are abandoning her.
Sounds like Obama needs some ambien . :-)
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bloomberg-trump-2020-election/2019/12/02/id/944119/
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Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.
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Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.
That's right. You don't put numbers to a program that doubles the federal budget when it won't ever be passed anyway.
In the other gaffes, my thought is that Leftists are not bothered by her dishonesty. They are bothered by the unelectability that comes from it being so clumsy and blatant.
In the spotlight people also see that she has no magnetism or charisma. She offers a spot for leftists to park their vote but she brings no one new to the cause.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=Q-A4VrEUyyI&feature=emb_logo
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/leader-of-anti-trump-resistance-on-kamala-harris-dropping-out-racism-and-sexism/
I guess having a homsexual and an Native American woman is not enough
Or even a fellow Jew (Bloomberg) to Ms Levine and Greenberg.
I guess Booker does not count .
Surely this is racism ...... :roll:
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OTOH the Troll Master https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/03/trump-campaign-mocks-kamala-harris-dropping-out-congratulations-tulsi-gabbard/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20191203&utm_content=Final
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Bloomberg: ['General Secretary' Xi Jinping] "has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive."
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE): "This is the kind of stupid you can’t script," ... "the Chinese Communist Party has thrown a million innocent Uyghurs [his constituents] into camps and has made billions of dollars by literally harvesting the organs of their political prisoners."
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/sasses-sharp-strike-on-bloomberg-the-kind-of-stupid-you-cant-script/
Through its massive Bloomberg Barclays Global Aggregate Bond Index, Bloomberg LP is helping finance Chinese companies by sending billions of U.S. investor dollars into the Chinese bond market.
This year, the index began a 20-month plan to support 364 Chinese firms by directing an estimated $150 billion into their bond offerings, including 159 controlled directly by the Chinese government. Bloomberg, along with other Wall Street firms, is effectively supporting the Chinese government’s efforts to resist the U.S. government’s economic pressure, while exposing American investors to increased risk.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/13/michael-bloombergs-china-record-shows-why-he-cant-be-president/
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/05/youre-a-damn-liar-joe-biden-iowa-voter-hunter-ukraine-old-push-up/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11189
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https://pjmedia.com/election/video-biden-forgets-when-he-was-vice-president-says-obama-administration-was-during-1976/
one of the simple tests we do to test memory is to ask a patient to count backwards by 7 s from 100.
I wonder if Biden could do it.
This clearly makes him unqualified to be President from a medical point of view . ( you don't need a medical degree to see this)
So why are all the (liberal Democrat ) doctors, the psychologists, and the psychiatrists not signing petitions stressing this obvious point?
You mean it is NOT a danger to have some guy who can't even remember the correct year to have his finger on the launch pad of the nuclear arsenal?
A lot of libs in the medical field.
no bias with them of course - they are all objective professionals doing their medical duty to uphold the *hypocritic* oath , woops, I mean *hippocratic * . :roll:
A lib is a lib is a lib (Gertrude Stein)
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https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/cnsnewscom-staff/pelosi-clinton-impeachment-republicans-house-are-paralyzed
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Why not Obama?
the 22 nd amendment :
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
(or impeachment).
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https://pjmedia.com/election/buttigieg-has-a-deplorables-moment-basically-calling-all-trump-supporters-racists/?fbclid=IwAR1DmkcEGrCKGVxrOEYLxs52XWxR0kAB8K5e0okhTg7sTMEYzaDPdPVbt00
https://disrn.com/news/lgbt-activists-blast-buttigieg-after-photo-of-him-volunteering-at-salvation-army-kettle-surfaces?fbclid=IwAR0T-i-7Uvz8axkndu8QhHTkyw2UI-HgX4aiQVtv628kbkrUJ6OboZhknts
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Why not Obama?
the 22 nd amendment :
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
(or impeachment).
Good point but I don't think it would get past original intent, also Obama wouldn't take the job.
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"also Obama wouldn't take the job"
Obamasiah. :wink:
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Who Can Beat Trump?
In Iowa, candidates and voters show little interest in impeachment, much in victory next November.
By Peggy Noonan
Dec. 12, 2019 7:01 pm ET
Pete Buttigieg speaks in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dec. 7. PHOTO: WIN MCNAMEE/GETTY IMAGES
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
The famous caucuses are Feb. 3. Christmas is coming, the calendar tightening, and candidates zooming through the broad expanse in tinted-window SUVs.
A surprise is there’s little surprise. Reporters say interest in impeachment is minimal, and it’s true: in three days not a single question from the floor, not a stray comment from a voter in a forum. The candidates seem bored with the subject and don’t bother to fake passion if you ask. Impeachment is a reality show going on in Washington, and everyone knows the outcome, so it’s not even interesting. On my way to Waterloo I realized: We’re about to have the third impeachment of a president in American history, and the day it happens it’s not going to be Topic A in America. It will barely be mentioned at the dinner table. It is a coastal elite story, not a mainland story.
The Democratic race is as fluid as it looks. No one, even bright party professionals speaking off the record, knows what to expect. Biden was inevitable, then maybe Elizabeth, maybe Pete’s inevitable, but Bernie may be inevitable, and don’t write off Joe.
But “Beat Trump” is back. When 2019 began Democrats were thinking that was priority No. 1. Then other things became more important—Medicare for All, climate change, policy. But it feels like Democrats here are circling back to their original desire. “Who can beat Trump?” is again the most important question. They don’t know the answer. They’re trying to figure it out.
You can hear this in what the candidates say.
At a Teamsters forum in Cedar Rapids Saturday, Sen. Bernie Sanders was burly in his aggression. “This is a president who is a fraud,” “a pathological liar,” “a homophobe,” “a bigot.” Mr. Sanders said his campaign is about “telling the billionaire class that their greed is unacceptable.” He got a standing ovation.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar the day before, in Grinnell, spoke to about 150 people at the Iowa Farmer’s Union: “We’re not gonna let this Gilded Age roll right over us.” Donald Trump made promises he didn’t keep. After his tax cut passed, “he went to Mar-a-Lago and told his rich friends, ‘I just made you all a lot richer.’ And I can tell you none of them were farmer’s union members.”
“He thinks the Midwest is flyover country.”
Leaders are making decisions for seven generations, she said: “He can’t keep his decision seven minutes from now.”
Pete Buttigieg, at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, told a crowd of more than 1,000—lots of students but others too, many of them prosperous and middle-aged: Don’t just watch “the Trump show—help me pick up the remote and change the channel.”
Before he spoke, a handsome, gray-haired psychotherapist from Iowa City told me why she supports him: “I think he has empathy. His orientation, what he’s been through. Yet also the military and a Rhodes scholar.” She liked his liberal Christianity: “He hasn’t let anyone else co-opt his spiritual life.”
Mr. Buttigieg used to say his name was pronounced “Buddha judge.” When he went national he changed it to what his crowds now chant: “boot edge edge.” I suspect he did this because America wears boots and likes edginess, but no one wants to be judged by the Buddha. I mention this because Mr. Buttigieg has the air of someone who thinks through even the smallest questions of presentation.
In person he seems like the smart young communications director for a Democratic presidential candidate, not the candidate himself. Yet he gets a particular respect because people think whatever happens this year, he’s going to be president some day. The local congressman who introduced him said as much: “No matter who comes out of this . . . Pete Buttigieg is the future of the party.”
He is personable in an old-fashioned sense; he reminds me of Michael Kinsley’s description of Al Gore when he was 38: “an old person’s idea of a young person.”
Mr. Buttigieg is often painted as a moderate. After he spoke I asked about something I’m interested in, how people develop their political views, where they get them. Do most inherit them, swallow them whole? His father was a Marxist-oriented academic at Notre Dame; he himself, I said, is a man of the left. Had he ever kicked away from family assumptions? Did he ever feel drawn to conservatism, to Burke or Kirk? He had not, though “I will say this: I came to respect the ways in which, right around the time of Russell Kirk, conservatives came to be very much in touch with the relationship between their ideas and their politics and politicians. I think it was born out of a period when the left had universities already, and the right needed to construct a structure of think tanks and so forth.”
When he was an intern on Capitol Hill, every young Republican staffer had a copy of Hayek on his desk. “On our side, the academic left, particularly in the humanities, had gotten into really abstruse things around postmodernism and poststructuralism. There was, ironically, contrary to our self-image, I think less of a clear relationship between ideas and politicians on the left. We had our policy intellectuals, but there was less of a connection between our politicians and our political theorists.”
He came to respect “the organizing efforts of conservatives.” I asked if this was around the time Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Of a sudden the Republican Party is the party of ideas.” He smiled and shrugged: “Just a hair before my time.”
Ms. Klobuchar’s polls have been going up, from 1% in the Emerson College poll in October to 10% now. Her audiences are bigger. It has broken through that she’s a moderate, a senator, a Midwesterner: “I’m from Minnesota and I can see Iowa from my porch!” She has wit. She knows she has to prove that she’s tough, that she can go toe to toe with Donald Trump.
She’s had strong debates. In the last one, social media went crazy because her hair shook. Not her face or voice, her hair. She later joked on Twitter: “I’ll plaster my runaway bangs down for the next NBC debate.”
What happened? She told me the debate hall had been reconfigured, overly air-conditioned, and unknown to her, a nearby air vent was blasting at the top of her head. She didn’t know there was a problem until the break, when a tech came by and said he was sorry.
“Now I guess hair spray,” she laughed as she told the story.
How difficult will it be to beat Mr. Trump? While I was in Iowa the new jobs numbers came out. America has functional full employment. It is a marvelous thing. We’re not in any new wars. With peace and prosperity, how can the incumbent lose?
The counterargument is that his approval is stuck in the low 40s with peace and prosperity, which tells you everything—he is vulnerable, more than half the country rejects him in what are for him ideal circumstances. This in turn brings back the familiar 2016 theme of shy Trump voters, people who don’t tell pollsters they’re going to vote for him, or even tell themselves.
Maybe the real story is that it’s all fluid.
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Peggy Noonan (previous post) notes the Midwest appeal of Amy Klobuchar. I would note that her big rise in Iowa puts her in 5th place there, she has 3% and 0% in the last two polls in Wisconsin, and doesn't lead in MN either. She is accomplished, exciting or charismatic.
Her appeal is who she isn't, Trump, Biden, Sanders, Warren, not who she is or what she has done.
Did I mention 8th place in Nevada, 9th place in South Carolina?
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I love Peggy Noonan, but she gets squishier by the day.
Moving on, here's this
http://www.dickmorris.com/hillary-would-win-democratic-nomination-according-to-poll-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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Dick
few more leftist polls - and - she will run
and will have avoided months of campaigning
I believe for a second her mob is already jurnolisting each other.
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My guess is that it is too late for her to register for a lot of primaries. Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?
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" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"
Good question.
I don't know the rules
but someone on Fox was saying she is praying for the Dem candidates to all do poorly in polling and that polls will show she is the "only one who can beat" the orange man and so many people are begging her to run and although she is reluctant she will answer the call to duty to save democracy and be brought back on a white horse with a new shiny pants suit and facelift and makeup job.
Does it seem that way ? :|
I would guess if the polls do not show this - she would not run. :|
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/
I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.
If freakish better then appearing aged?
She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.
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https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805
Sabo's brilliant take on Hillary. (Content warning-NSFW or those who vomit easily)
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/
I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.
If freakish better then appearing aged?
She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.
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https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=6805
holy cow ! she already has "tats"
did she get an extra tear for the epstein hit?
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" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"
Good question.
I don't know the rules
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I don't know either and the rules change from time to time but I believe that after a certain number of ballots, maybe one, the delegates are free to vote for anyone they want.
Wouldn't HRC as the nominee be a dream come true for the President?
I don't see it, Hillary being nominee, but I was deeply wrong last time so I'll just watch and see. I don't see it with any of the others either. There was nothing Presidential about any of the losers, McGovern, Dukakis, Dole?, Kerry, McCain, etc. Trump too I suppose if he hadn't won.
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My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.
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Here is my prediction: I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate. Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham. Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.
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My understanding is after the first round, the delegates are free to vote as they wish.
The first sign of a contested convention is that the rules themselves will be hotly contested. Also the platform fights will indicate strengths and weaknesses of the various sides.
'Superdelegates' don't vote in the first round; they jump in starting in the second..
https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020
I've been to a number of contested state conventions. As the delegates are released to vote as they wish, delegates and candidates watch the counts and momentum for their next move. Presumably the the second place of Sanders or Warren will drop out and endorse the other for example. That in theory puts them ahead of Biden as it sits today but not to a majority, so then other dynamics come into play. Do they align in two factions? More than two?
The motive of most delegates in most conventions is to leave there united behind one person because beating the other side is a higher priority than winning this fight. Hard to believe that won't be true here as this unfolds, but the uglier it gets, the better it is for Trump.
The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine.
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Here is my prediction: I believe Trump will win with a larger margin than he did the first time, and the Republicans will take back the house and possibly increase their majority in the Senate. Once again, the mainstream media is completely detached from the sentiment among average Americans about this impeachment sham. Many independents and Democrats will, I believe, vote for Trump this time around.
My predictions aren't very good but this scenario is VERY possible. Even if true we will still be a badly divided country.
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Objectivist's prediction may well come to pass IMHO, but we are too far out to rest easy.
"The idea that these delegates jump to someone who didn't enter the contest,after all those debates, primaries and votes at all - is possible but a reach hard to imagine."
In Hillary's case she can make the case "You already know me and I have already won. Choose me and I will beat him again , , , or you can choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy."
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In Hillary's case she can make the case
"You already know me - Crooked, Net negative
and I have already won. - Didn't even go to Wisconsin after trusting her with everything.
Choose me and I will beat him again - 304-227. President Hillary? See previous.
choose one of these putzes who have already proven themselves unworthy. - True but not unifying.
30 States already went Trump over Hillary. He was a better President than expected.
20 states won by Hillary. She was a worse loser than expected. Just blamed Bernie for her loss.
"Hillary, we're tired of hearing about your damn emails." - Bernie Sanders, 2016
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Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.
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Look, I get her argument is wrong, I'm just saying it is what it is and is just the sort of rationalization that Dem delegates and super delegates could decide to believe, particularly given the alternatives.
Agreed. I was trying to refute that from a Dem-delegate point of view. It was them she let down, big time. A new face, and I don't mean from a plastic surgeon, has a better chance than a proven loser.
I think the Clinton machine is gone, the Foundation is gone, most of their extortion on backers has past the statute of limitations.
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It was a turning point for Democrats the day successful two term, swing state, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper decided to tell the gathering and televised audience about taking his mother to see Deep Throat, instead of sticking to how he started a successful micro brewery and revitalized the warehouse district of downtown Denver. Now we have a failed South Bend mayor, and former Burlington mayor, as the highest candidates with governing experience. Sure crime and racial tension went up, but how 'bout that new utility billing system?
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Trump opposes :
https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/
and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates
interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist. - at least I did not know this/them.
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Trump opposes :
https://bongino.com/trump-slams-commission-on-presidential-debates-warns-the-debates-are-up-to-me/
and frankly I never even heard of the CBD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates
interesting the debates that are so influential though totally flawed
are controlled by people most of us have never heard of or even know exist. - at least I did not know this/them.
How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection? The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves. Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers.
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woops I meant CPD
not "CBD"
:-o
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"How do we avoid the Candy Crowley moment that swung the Obama reelection? The moderators last time were competing to make a name for themselves. Trump (I think) has the only idea, no moderators, just time keepers."
YEs . what a great idea
the candidates have only designated times where they bring up the topics and debate each other during that time
though i could imagine them . esp. Trump screaming over each other but maybe that would be a good approach
who needs "moderators"
just a bunch of peacocks trying to advance their careers.
anyway and all partisan
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A minute ago her only positive claim was Midwest appeal and she was running 5th in Iowa and at zero in Wisconsin.
Her debate performances have been weak, her charisma is at zero and her experience level is so-so.
But her long awaited takedown of Pete Buttigieg this week was very good.
http://www.startribune.com/what-people-are-saying-about-klobuchar-s-debate-performance/566373661/
Given the negatives listed above, Klobuchar will be the hardest candidate for Trump to run against - because there is nothing there to run against. - Besides that everyone who ever worked for her hated her.
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/8/sughed-michael-bloomberg-suggests-disarming-minori/
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475576-obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors?userid=188403
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"Obama on Forked Tongue Lizzy"
lets see
what does the world's most interesting man think? :roll:
we basically know he thinks anyone with a socialist agenda who could win is his pick - behind the scenes though in public he is holding his cards
playing coy .
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apparently with some FB personnel
From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/
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apparently with some FB personnel
From the Daily Caller off the Bongino Report page:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/bloomberg-elections-campaign/
Can he buy charisma? Can he buy erasure of his stop and frisk policies? He can't buy an election; he can't even buy a sixteen ounce soda.
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Dem gaffe is when they are caught telling the truth:
https://news.grabien.com/story-buttigieg-2011-kids-lower-income-minority-neighbourhoods-don
“Kids” from “lower income, minority neighborhoods” don’t have “someone they know personally who testifies to the value of education.” - Pete Buttigieg, 2011 South Bend Mayoral Candidate
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/bloomberg-ad-makes-wildly-misleading-claim-263-school-shootings-since-trump-took-office
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/26/2020-presidential-campaign-dropouts-ranked-089675
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Spoiler, Kamala Harris wins: "By bowing out of the presidential race before the voting started, Harris avoided the painful spectacle of a potentially humiliating loss in Iowa, and she limited the number of enemies she made in the primary field. As one of the few women of color who have won statewide elections, she will likely be on the short list of running mates for the eventual presidential nominee, especially if the nominee is a white man. She could also be a candidate for attorney general in a Democratic administration."
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Sooooooooo, if I have this right, she showed good political instincts by dropping out before she scored zeros in the early contests? And that means her good brand name is still intact?? Only in the Democrat party.
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- First name intentionally left wrong. It's not my job to get his name out there.
- Coal billionaire runs for President on a platform of ending fossil fuel use. Go figure.
- Spending hundreds of millions on early ads in not-early states ...
- ad topic: Term Limits. Polls better than climate change.
- If successful, term limits would make the deep state and lobbyists more powerful than elected officials.
- Term limits is one of very few proposals where the President has no power in the matter.
- He is compelled to run because all of the other Democrats running agree with him on climate change.
- 330 million people have still never said, "Hey, what do you think of Steyer?"
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In the last four open Democratic presidential contests, the Iowa winner has gone on to become the party’s nominee.
Current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie).
Iowa Caucuses are Feb 3, 2020
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3044261/us-2020-election-key-dates-will-americans-give
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" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."
one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person) irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance
reminds me exactly like Obama
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Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.
" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."
one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person) irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance
reminds me exactly like Obama
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Openly homosexual, unlike Obama.
" .current Iowa leaderboard: 1. Buttigieg. 2. Sanders, 3. Biden, 22-20-19 (basically a 3-way tie)."
one is worse then the other
For some reason while I have strong distaste for Biden and Sanders this Butti guy ( sorry I mean person) irritates me the most with his over the top smugness
and arrogance
reminds me exactly like Obama
First gay is not as exciting as being half black but he certainly is using gay as a qualification. For us to assume that will hurt his chances in the general election is probably a mistake, but he still is a white male of privilege.
Didn't Obama just admit that he couldn't put the coalition together again either with the excitement level of 2008 - that none of these people can put together now. Policies that lead to economic and societal failure aren't that exciting again after we just got through trying them and hating them. Cash for clunkers, Solyndra, shovel-ready jobs, keep your doctor! It's all just a bad joke now; no one can make it sound exciting - compared to real accomplishments like lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates ever, millions off of food stamps and quadrupling the wage growth rate.
Not all blacks are excited to vote for Butti. So far, almost none are. Frankly, blacks among others, are tired of the Democrat promise. Not all Muslims are going to support a gay nominee, and not all gays will support a Marxist - or whatever we call him. He only looks moderate in comparison with Sanders and Warren and he admits he wants to win all the same things, just incrementally.
He is the son of a Marxist Professor, studied Leftism in college and hasn't lived enough economic life to shift his views rightward - as people do when they gain experience and take responsibility.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pete-buttigiegs-father-was-a-marxist-professor-who-lauded-the-communist-manifesto
His military experience is a plus in this field, but he makes no claim that was at a leadership level. His years as mayor and his years in military overlap. Too bad to be so young that you have to exaggerate your (little but of) experience.
Speaking of life experiences, in his own words he just recently started dating. He is a teenager on that level - with his first boyfriend.
What happened to the two term governors of swing states in this field... Oh well.
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Exactly what did he do? He was Air Force? A driver on a base for an AF general? Or?
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Exactly what did he do? He was Air Force? A driver on a base for an AF general? Or?
Navy Intel, if I recall correctly.
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Let's see if we can find a proper citation on this.
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Let's see if we can find a proper citation on this.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service
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Thank you.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104
Well, that was back when she was Indian...
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and the daughter of a janitor , , , :roll:
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while still being a mayor?
"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service
"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."
Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality
Another person who has been running for President the day he was born
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/04/elizabeth-warren-called-all-options-table-iran/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=todays_hottest_stories&utm_campaign=20200104
https://conservativeus.com/joe-biden-1996-if-iran-attacked-a-usa-facility-it-is-an-act-of-war-and-any-retaliation-is-warranted-video/
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while still being a mayor?
"According to the documents, Buttigieg served in the Afghanistan Threat Finance Cell (ATFC) in Kabul, placing him in “an imminent danger pay area” from late March to mid-September 2014, while the then-32-year old was still serving his first term as mayor."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/442082-documents-provide-glimpse-into-buttigiegs-military-service
"But out on the campaign trail, Buttigieg has talked about the 119 times he says he crossed “outside the wire,” leaving the relative safety of the base as a vehicle commander on convoy security detail in dangerous parts of Kabul."
Sounds a bit like Hillary spicing up the intrigue of danger more than reality
Another person who has been running for President the day he was born
I give Butti full credit for his military service. Yes he was mostly sitting at a desk analyzing data, not carrying or shooting a gun, but what he did was just as valuable in a war zone. Same for my dad serving Patton's army in a first medical response unit at German battle sites and liberated concentration camps.
My question of Butti or anyone running for President, how many levels below Commander in Chief was that?
To his further credit, I have not heard him overplay that experience, assuming what he is saying on the stump is true.
My cousin went from analyzing war data in Vietnam to first director of water quality at the epa, analyzing pollution data. The math is the same and maybe he was the best at both. That does not mean that he or Butti would be a great or a bad President.
I see no evidence of great policy analysis or design from Butti in this campaign - or in his small town governance. Smart guy, we are told, where is his health plan or tax plan or poverty plan with ideas we have not seen at this level? His gut reaction to events as they unfold seems no better than bottom-of-the-class Biden, faked-her-credentials Warren, or prefers-the-Soviet-system Sanders.
Run of the mill Leftists, the data does not support their positions.
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Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago? - often asked in reelection contest.
I would add this question: Was this 4 years better than the previous 8? Relevant because, especially with Biden, the ghost of Obama is underlying this year's choice.
Trump is upside down in most approval polls but is certainly a stronger candidate now than he was in 2016 when he won the electoral college handily. Those are all adults polls. Likely voter polls lean more toward even and part of Trump's vote is projected to come from people on the 'disapprove' side. Conditions and events seem to also be falling in his direction in spite of impeachment and continuous msm negativity.
There is only one debate and a few short weeks before voting begins in Iowa. Super Tuesday is only two months out. Yes, a lot can happen, but what? For whom?
The Dem field has really narrowed to 3 at this point, Biden, Bernie and Buttigieg. Think about that. The labels come easy. Biden is a bumbler. Bernie is a socialist, and Buttigieg is young, inexperienced and brings nothing new or special to the table, other than his sexual orientation.
The field is weak because of Obama's flawed governance. Under Obama, Democrats lost the House, lost the Senate, lost the Governorships, lost the State Legislatures and lost his successor. That leaves a weak bench, understatement. There weren't enough Hickenloopers to find a good one.
Candidate Obama picked Biden as a known bumbler but somehow was a safe, known choice that cost him no votes. In his VP debate, Sarah Palin looked awkward repeating the script of her McCain handlers while Biden got away with being wrong on everything of importance. At the top of the ticket, he won't get away with being wrong on everything.
Bernie leads a cult following, a sect, not really a part of the Democrat Party. His (20%?) support is the strongest, most loyal, even through his heart attack, think AOC and the angriest and most pure Left of those coming out of college. He can't get to 51% of Democrats or to 270 of the electoral votes and his support won't just seamlessly transfer over to Biden, or Buttigieg if they beat him by talking a moderate line.
If Buttigieg is the second coming of 2008 candidate Barack Obama at 38, someone like Obama should have picked him as maybe Secretary of State or Treasury at age 32-34. Obama didn't because for one reason he hadn't heard of him and he hadn't heard of him because he hadn't done anything of note. Nice guy, smart they say, but what has he accomplished and what great idea (name one) has he added to the discussion? Nothing.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/sanders-stands-to-benefit-from-trumps-conflict-with-iran/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202020-01-08&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/sanders-stands-to-benefit-from-trumps-conflict-with-iran/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202020-01-08&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Trump is most likely to benefit. )
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(https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-08-at-21.53.06.png)
Glenn Reynolds: Ouch.
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Taking Doug's post further
(Glenn Reynolds: Ouch.)
Another interesting comparison :
Trump has done well for himself and his family in the private sector
while Plagiarizing Joe has done well for himself and his family devoting his life to "public service"
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We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.
Thought experiment:
Mitt Romney.
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"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.
Thought experiment:
Mitt Romney."
Agree . I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.
My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.
OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
My guess he is throwing that thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " . We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat
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Mittens a republican?
"We saw Biden entertain the notion of a Rep for VP nominee.
Thought experiment:
Mitt Romney."
Agree . I can't off the top of my head even think of anyone else.
My thought about tis begins and ends with Mitt.
OTOH
I am really doubtful he would choose any Republican - his party would not stand for it.
My guess he is throwing that thought out in the public domain pretending he is willing to "cross the isle " . We all know he is and always has been a hard core Democrat
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Picture this. Brokered convention. "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?) He needs a move with panache. Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again. Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.
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Picture this. Brokered convention. "Moderate" vote divided with Bloomberg (and Steyer?) He needs a move with panache. Mittens finally gets his chance to go up against the Donald again. Being silly here perhaps, or maybe a touch of thinking outside the box.
Depends if Biden starts sh*tting himself on stage, which is quite possible.
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Exactly so :evil: :-D
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Funny but the votes he would need in a fight with a so called moderate come from the Sanders AOC wing. An alliance with any Republican would make that worse. IMHO. Think of Pelosi as the center of the party and the delegates as more liberal than the primary voters. The fight at hand will be for the delegates, not the Presidency.
Different scenario but McCain talked about Lieberman but picked Palin. He needed to excite his own party.
The only person with star power inside the party outside of the candidates is M.O. If Biden was a strong candidate it would be her easiest and most non-political path to the Presidency. But he isn't.
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"Depends if Biden starts sh*tting himself on stage, which is quite possible."
his handlers have done . a good job keeping the gaff machine under wraps
he must be getting more naps
maybe started on aricept
and everything he does / says more controlled and scripted
plus the media covers for him
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[Actually, trump leads in Iowa.]
Both Iowa and NH show the top 4 Dems at a near tie, but in the details of it, Butti has dropped to 3rd rather than continue his climb. People are starting to take seriously the fact that this process everyone thinks is so long is coming up soon at lightning speed. Why pick untested over a real socialist?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
Butti leads in NH (statistical tie) now but that too may fizzle on a similar schedule as the real voting approaches. The vote coming up in these states is real and binding, not a ...wouldn't it be nice if... kind of contest.
Good to see Klobuchar stuck in single digits. Her MN name doesn't carry weight even as far as Iowa. If Biden wins or looks strong, she looks (even more) irrelevant. If Biden stumbles, the fight to replace Biden in the center left lane will heat up.
Who-drops-out-when becomes a factor. If Rubio or Cruz had dropped early, the other would have competed better against Trump. If Butti under-performs in both Iowa and NH, he may want to bank his big money and shoot for VP. Warren probably isn't smart enough to drop out unless she runs out of money. With her in, Sanders probably can't beat Biden. In a narrower field, Bloomberg can make a bigger impact. How long do Booker, Yang, Steyer, Gabbard hang in there? (I guess it doesn't matter.)
I think the Republican hope is for the Dem field to remain crowded and divided.
Can you believe Marianne Williamson didn't catch on with the love agenda. The general election with Trump won't be a love contest.
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Update: Booker out. Everyone running only for VP needs to get out now.
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Well, Booker's "Hail Mary" appeal for the "affirmative action because Dem primary voters are racist vote" fell flat and so he is out. What a putz!
As far as I can tell, Biden & Warren are the same voting block. Seen in that light Biden is a distant second.
I've seen reports Steyer is picking up sharply in Super Tuesday states in response to his heavy spending.
I've made some noise about Bloomberg previously and continue to think he may well surprise strongly to the upside. His ads are mainstream Dem with a strong dose of communicating his actual executive experience.
This point about executive experience could be an important factor. I remember in the Rep debates in 2016 there was a moment when Chris Christie destroyed Marco Rubio for being a legislative debater instead lacking in experience in making real world decisions.
Bloomberg's ads speak of his building a 20,000 (or was it 50,000?) employee company and his experience as mayor of NYC. He may have been a nanny fascist, but the way I remember it he was a competent mayor. Bottom line? Someone who has been responsible for real world decisions will resonate when contrasted with the polling group talking points legislator. Add in that His ad communicates well emotionally on health care, abortion, and gun rights.
If the Sandernista wing unites behind Bernie or Forked Tongue Lizzy, Slow Joe's sales pitch weakens considerably and the remnants of the reasonable wing of the Dem party may well turn to Bloomberg (and his self financed campaign).
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https://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-candidates-poll-age-gender-race-region-politics-2019#in-2016-exit-polls-showed-that-45-percent-of-clinton-voters-were-not-white-and-the-winner-of-the-democratic-primary-will-have-to-build-a-coalition-of-white-black-latino-and-asian-americans-3
This poll shows Biden extremely weak with Hispanics. Biden is weak with young people. Bernie is weak with old people.
Also, both Biden and Sanders are weak in the Mountain West region which includes swing states Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico. Democrats cannot let an incumbent who won 304 electoral votes and governed way better than expected expand his map.
I suggested a mountain state, swing state, two term Governor for them, but Hickenlooper had to tell an Iowa crowd how he took his mother to see deep throat - and stayed for the whole show. Eeeewwwww!
The shallow bench of Democrat qualified contestants with executive and Washington experience is Obama's and Pelosi's fault.
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Well, Booker's "Hail Mary" appeal for the "affirmative action because Dem primary voters are racist vote" fell flat and so he is out. What a putz!
As far as I can tell, Biden & Warren are the same voting block. Seen in that light Biden is a distant second.
I've seen reports Steyer is picking up sharply in Super Tuesday states in response to his heavy spending.
I've made some noise about Bloomberg previously and continue to think he may well surprise strongly to the upside. His ads are mainstream Dem with a strong dose of communicating his actual executive experience.
This point about executive experience could be an important factor. I remember in the Rep debates in 2016 there was a moment when Chris Christie destroyed Marco Rubio for being a legislative debater instead lacking in experience in making real world decisions.
Bloomberg's ads speak of his building a 20,000 (or was it 50,000?) employee company and his experience as mayor of NYC. He may have been a nanny fascist, but the way I remember it he was a competent mayor. Bottom line? Someone who has been responsible for real world decisions will resonate when contrasted with the polling group talking points legislator. Add in that His ad communicates well emotionally on health care, abortion, and gun rights.
If the Sandernista wing unites behind Bernie or Forked Tongue Lizzy, Slow Joe's sales pitch weakens considerably and the remnants of the reasonable wing of the Dem party may well turn to Bloomberg (and his self financed campaign).
I like your take on this better than mine. I see Steyer as a loser, but if he can win delegates, that takes away from whomever is the leader.
Same for Bloomberg. Yes he is a successful executive and mostly successful mayor. That plays well with some centrists on the Dem side, not a majority. I don't see him winning over more delegates in a convention than his actual vote count.
Interesting that the rest all lack executive experience. The former VP, like the former first lady, never won an election or held ultimate responsibility for results. Being mayor of Burlington or South Bend-over is executive experience at the beginner level. At least Howard Dean was governor of one of those small states, still miles below the responsibility of being President. Fully untested.
In his prime, Bloomberg could manage and motivate people and make key decisions on market dominance and profit exploitation (detested by most of the left). He won elections but NYC is not a cross section of the country and stop and frisk among other things will not bring out all of the key constituencies needed to win.
Good to see Sanders and Warren begin to fight.
One thing they underestimated with Trump (and Reagan) is the value of experience in show business. Bloomberg and Steyer have ads with narrators. With Steyer, a narrator makes the case for term limits, an issue outside the scope of the Presidency. Their best consultants tell them the point is better made by the same paid narrator that does all the political ads. Biden, Sanders and Warren are all unpleasant to listen to. Trump ads will be making his case in the first person - in front of roaring, enthusiastic crowds.
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"One thing they underestimated with Trump (and Reagan) is the value of experience in show business."
Yes. This includes the experience of dealing successfully with some of the most skillful and amoral liars on the planet-- an exceedingly valuable life experience; witness Reagan as head of the Screen Actors Guild.
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Maybe I am alone in not subscribing to cable but the debate was literally impossible to watch. Presidential debates are now sold to the highest bidder. Money trumps viewership? Good luck with that. The previous debate had the lowest ratings ever. This one didn't even get a rating?
https://nypost.com/2019/12/20/latest-democratic-debate-had-lowest-viewership-yet/t
CNN's first two words on it, "Caution ruled..." Highlights are just as hard to come by, apparently there weren't any. Warren is a woman. She is electable (nationally) because she beat a republican (barely) in Massachusetts. (What's wrong with this math?) Bernie denied saying a woman can't win. (Warren is a liar.) Hunter shouldn't face scrutiny because Biden's good son died. (Beau wouldn't have done this.) Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand at the end. Butti addressed his lack of black support by asking black asking black voters to join him. Brilliant. All want the Iran deal back, paving the path to a nuclear Iran. None were asked about sending another planeload of cash to do that or tie terrorism to it which the previous deal did not. Nothing on China, peace through deterrence or GDP growth? They were not asked to comment on lowest unemployment for EVER blacks and Hispanics or that the lower end wage earners made the biggest income gains in the Trump economy or the new China trade deal. Nothing said about Iran launching missiles at American troops. The blacks and Hispanics on the stage... okay, just kidding, they don't even have a Cherokee anymore. Even liberals like Van Jones saw nothing to show that any of them are ready to take on Trump much less be President.
CNN's Chris Cillizza has Biden and Bernie as the Losers of the debate:
"the former vice president is the worst (debater of the 6). On Tuesday night he consistently seemed to forget or misstate a point, forcing him to go back and restate it to make sure he got it right. It made for a halting performance, in which he came across as less forceful and sure of himself than others on the stage. Biden also spent a lot of time talking about mistakes he had made on past votes -- support for the war in Iraq being the most prominent -- which doesn't strike me as how his campaign wanted him to spend much debate time."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/who-won-the-debate/index.html
* Tom Steyer. "Simply put, the billionaire businessman looked badly out of his depth. He struggled badly to make the case that he was better equipped than his rivals to manage the country's foreign policy -- his answer amounted to the fact that he has traveled a lot internationally (and, no, I am not kidding) -- and things didn't get much better for him from there. For most of the debate, it felt like the Top 5 were involved in one conversation and Steyer was just, well, there."
Did anyone watch?
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"Tom Steyer. "Simply put, the billionaire businessman looked badly out of his depth. He struggled badly to make the case that he was better equipped than his rivals to manage the country's foreign policy -- his answer amounted to the fact that he has traveled a lot internationally (and, no, I am not kidding) -- and things didn't get much better for him from there. "
Hi Doug. I saw a shot part of it but got bored and changed back and forth the stations between Laura Ingraham and some cable show about the history of Alcatraz (that by being the most interesting)
As for foreign policy it doesn't even matter who they ask the prescriptions is always the same
Hillary like:
" I would reach out to our allies " (lets go ask France what they would do)
"I would use diplomacy " (you mean you would not nuke the m f ers off the face of the Earth)
" I would use sanctions and diplomacy "
" I would never use troops unless there is no other option"
(when is there no other option. - even if Pearl Harbor was bombed we could send in the diplomats and apologize to Japan on CNN for the
US transgressions due to white men)
DOUG WROTE :
" Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand at the end. "
TO BE SURE THIS IS THE MOST INTERESTING PART OF THE DEBATE . THE GOSSIP .
I guess Liz the honest injun was making a point to suggest She could not shake her "dear friends" hand because he lied about saying to her a woman could not win.
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Proven electability? Of the 6 on stage, four have won statewide elections only in solid blue states, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont and Delaware. [If you add Bloomberg to the mix, NYC is a solid blue 'state'.] Butti lost statewide in a state that elected Democratic Senators in 2008 and 2012. The outsider Steyer has never run but proved he has nothing but money to offer. Where are the swing state governors? And who is the outsider with major crossover appeal?
The debate established that besides Biden's idiocy, Warren and Sanders cannot do simple math. Warren said no one else on stage has defeated an incumbent Republican in 30 years. Sanders said I did. Warren asked when? Sanders said in 1990. Then both paused to contemplate the troubling math of that (30 years ago, when the Milli Vanilli lip-synching scandal broke). We need a video of that moment to appreciate the perplexity of these geniuses. Were they using their fingers to count three decades?
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" I would reach out to our allies " (lets go ask France what they would do)
"I would use diplomacy " (you mean you would not nuke the m f ers off the face of the Earth)
" I would use sanctions and diplomacy "
" I would never use troops unless there is no other option"
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Or the one we learned from the career diplomats in Ukraine:
'I would follow the "interagency consensus" '.
Because that's what a 'leader' does.
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Plugs looked like his gaffy self again
needs better earphones telling him what to say
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Plugs looked like his gaffy self again
needs better earphones telling him what to say
I think we have dodged the bullet of seeing another young exciting Barack Obama 2007-2008-like candidate with no background steal the show this year. Butti isn't that, nor is Bloomberg. Kamala couldn't do it, nor Cory, nor Jullian. We'll know more after Iowa and NH but this looks like two old white guys, octogenarians, of limited ability and limited appeal, fighting for the nomination. Make that three if we count Bloomberg. Granted that Trump is an old white guy by most voters standards but he is younger than those 3 still standing. Warren is 3 years younger.
Assuming its not Warren or Butti, it's not going to be a black, an Hispanic, an Asian American, a woman or a gay. There goes the identity thing. Will they really have to compete on substance??
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Mentioned previously: CNN’s Van Jones Buries 2020 Field After Debate: ‘Nothing I Saw Tonight Would Be Able to Take Donald Trump Out’
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-buries-2020-field-after-debate-nothing-i-saw-tonight-would-be-able-to-take-donald-trump-out/
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Last great hope was Michelle O. It just isn't going to happen after others win all the delegates. Mo-Joe? Bernie-mania? She would just piss all of them off. And she isn't exactly honing her issue and policy skills by selling books about childhood and family. She is competing to be greatest first lady of all time, not POTUS.
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Michelle-Obama/dp/1524763136
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2020-democrats-embrace-lawmaker-who-opposed-hitting-back-at-afghanistan-after-9-11
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/a-democratic-state-of-stasis-at-the-democratic-presidential-debate?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_011520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9d3fa3f92a40469e2d85c&cndid=50142053&esrc=&mbid=&utm_term=TNY_Daily
FOX had a snippet of Bloomberg on The View commenting on the dueling soundbites debate of the Dems last night. IMHO he struck an effective and deservedly condescending above the fray tone.
It may well turn out that the "debates" will stain ALL concerned with the stink of them, with Bloomberg sweeping in as the true adult in the room, unstained by any of the verbal farts of the debaters.
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"FOX had a snippet of Bloomberg on The View commenting on the dueling soundbites debate of the Dems last night. IMHO he struck an effective and deservedly condescending above the fray tone.
It may well turn out that the "debates" will stain ALL concerned with the stink of them, with Bloomberg sweeping in as the true adult in the room, unstained by any of the verbal farts of the debaters."
That is his game plan - as always - he is the "wise man" who is above all the acrimony who "knows how to work with 'both' sides"
has zero personality
spent more than anyone in history so far
has avoided the fray so has no pushback yet.......
all the while playing the wise man who "knows how to fix problems (mostly a pro business globalist leftist lib)"
If anyone wants to complain his vision is good for HIS businesses we have not heard it yet.
I agree with you Crafty - he cannot be dismissed
He will play the Hillary dream of "riding in on his white horse to save the day" .
(for the LEFT - while screwing over everyone on the Right)
We ask can a black win can a women win can a gay win
What about a little Jewish version of Napoleon?
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Interesting point here:
"Although Biden, on the surface, would have a good chance of beating Trump, recent presidential elections have shown that the candidate with the ability to generate more enthusiasm among their base fares better than a candidate chosen by default. Just think of the failed candidacies of John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Hillary Clinton. In contrast, Trump enjoys a passionate following and the GOP is more unified around him than when he won the first time around."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/its-looking-more-like-trump-will-be-reelected-in-2020
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Same would apply to Bloomberg if he is chosen for his supposed competence and ability to defeat Trump. Will the AOC-Sanders wing with all its ground support be motivated to get out the vote for the other billionaire - who defeated them with his ill-gotten (in their view) money? The energy in the Dem party is built around ideology. Bloomberg lacks that and has "zero personality". If Bloomberg reaches out in policy positions to the far Left, he loses his natural support in the center. A billion dollars or two won't change that dynamic.
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enthusiasm FOR a candidate is no doubt a tail wind for any candidate
Trump has that for a fixed number of the electorate
it remains to be seen how much in the undecideds
But he also has unusually high numbers of people who are repulsed by him - more than normal without any doubt - this effect may tough to predict - but Bloomberg - or anyone will get the benefit of "anyone but Orange Man" crowd.
Probably the only candidate in my personal history of voting who I was really enthusiastic about was Ronald Reagan
Maybe Bush 1 too . I don't recall .
I guess one could say I am enthusiastic to vote again for Trump
for his policies and fight spirit . and distaste for liberals .........
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Steve Hayward suspects Bloomberg may intend to run as an independent, especially if a Lefty like Bernie is the nominee. Loser's bracket? (One more path for Trump to win; Divided Democrats.)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-new-theory-about-bloombergs-grand-strategy.phpy
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Steve Hayward suspects Bloomberg may intend to run as an independent, especially if a Lefty like Bernie is the nominee. Loser's bracket? (One more path for Trump to win; Divided Democrats.)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-new-theory-about-bloombergs-grand-strategy.phpy
Nice. Divide the take your guns and soda voters from the re-education camp voters.
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Interesting that Sanders is hiring Hispanic staff in Calif and Bloomberg is spending millions there, but a lot of these Democrat delegate states are not contested states in the general election.
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Interesting that Sanders is hiring Hispanic staff in Calif and Bloomberg is spending millions there, but a lot of these Democrat delegate states are not contested states in the general election.
Unpossible! Everyone loves the Sh*t caked eutopias created by dem supermajorities!
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The billion or so they spend in most of the primary states won't move the needle an inch in the general election because they are uncontested one way or the other.
All the time they are spending in Iowa is wasted too. Trump will win Iowa.
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looks to be dominant issue that might turn election
to my knowledge the Republicans or Trump have no real answer
other then lower drug prices better economy ,........yada
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Trump also has his fight to make prices known-- which the hospitals are challenging in court apparently.
But your larger point is correct-- our current health care system understandably scares the hell out of a lot of people and the perception is that the Reps have nothing for it.
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Heh heh
https://www.theblaze.com/news/elizabeth_warren_lies_comment?utm_content=buffer66480&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-theblaze
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https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/950533/1
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https://imgflip.com/i/3mgrlp
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https://imgflip.com/i/3mgrlp
Too bad he's not that fast on his feet. She never would released the audio.
Her accusation (pre-planned) is meant to make it look like she was telling the truth, but that isn't what she would have said if she was. She would have said, "Yes you said that, that's exactly what you said", not 'you exposed me in front of everyone as a liar.'
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I post it here for the record so you don't have to enrich them with your click to see such drivel. My test of leftists is to see if they can make their point without lying - usually in the first sentence. In this case, their first point about Trump is that he is pushing "white nativism". When did he say that, or did they just make it up? Bragging abut lowest black and Hispanic unemployment ever is white nativism??Talk about bunk.
Amy has charisma? Where??
They endorse because they have different approaches, different policies. Is that an endorsement? Or just Orange Man bad?
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The Choice The Endorsement Bernie Sanders Tom Steyer Cory Booker Elizabeth Warren Andrew Yang Amy Klobuchar Pete Buttigieg Deval Patrick Joe Biden
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In a break with convention, the
editorial board has chosen to endorse two separate
Democratic candidates for president.
Amy Klobuchar
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Elizabeth Warren
Opinion
The Democrats’ Best Choices for President
By The Editorial Board
Published Jan. 19, 2020
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American voters must choose between three sharply divergent visions of the future.
The incumbent president, Donald Trump, is clear about where he is guiding the Republican Party — white nativism at home and America First unilateralism abroad, brazen corruption, escalating culture wars, a judiciary stacked with ideologues and the veneration of a mythological past where the hierarchy in American society was defined and unchallenged.
On the Democratic side, an essential debate is underway between two visions that may define the future of the party and perhaps the nation. Some in the party view President Trump as an aberration and believe that a return to a more sensible America is possible. Then there are those who believe that President Trump was the product of political and economic systems so rotten that they must be replaced.
The Democratic primary contest is often portrayed as a tussle between moderates and progressives. To some extent that’s true. But when we spent significant time with the leading candidates, the similarity of their platforms on fundamental issues became striking.
Nearly any of them would be the most progressive president in decades on issues like health care, the economy and government’s allocations of resources. Where they differ most significantly is not the what but the how, in whether they believe the country’s institutions and norms are up to the challenge of the moment.
Many Democratic voters are concerned first and foremost about who can beat Mr. Trump. But with a crowded field and with traditional polling in tatters, that calculation calls for a hefty dose of humility about anyone’s ability to foretell what voters want.
Choosing who should face off against Mr. Trump also means acknowledging that Americans are being confronted with three models for how to govern this country, not two. Democrats must decide which of their two models would be most compelling for the American people and best suited for repairing the Republic.
The party’s large and raucous field has made having that clean debate more difficult. With all the focus on personal characteristics — age and race and experience — and a handful of the most contentious issues, voters haven’t benefited from a clarifying choice about the party’s message in the election and the approach to governing beyond it.
It was a privilege for us on the editorial board to spend more than a dozen hours talking to candidates, asking them any question that came to mind. Yet that exercise is impossible for most Americans, and we were left wanting for a more focused conversation for the public. Now is the time to narrow the race.
The history of the editorial board would suggest that we would side squarely with the candidate with a more traditional approach to pushing the nation forward, within the realities of a constitutional framework and a multiparty country. But the events of the past few years have shaken the confidence of even the most committed institutionalists. We are not veering away from the values we espouse, but we are rattled by the weakness of the institutions that we trusted to undergird those values.
There are legitimate questions about whether our democratic system is fundamentally broken. Our elections are getting less free and fair, Congress and the courts are increasingly partisan, foreign nations are flooding society with misinformation, a deluge of money flows through our politics. And the economic mobility that made the American dream possible is vanishing.
Both the radical and the realist models warrant serious consideration. If there were ever a time to be open to new ideas, it is now. If there were ever a time to seek stability, now is it.
That’s why we’re endorsing the most effective advocates for each approach. They are Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar.
At the dawn of 2020, some of the most compelling ideas are not emerging from the center, but from the left wing of the Democratic Party. That’s a testament to the effectiveness of the case that Bernie Sanders and Senator Warren have made about what ails the country. We worry about ideological rigidity and overreach, and we’d certainly push back on specific policy proposals, like nationalizing health insurance or decriminalizing the border. But we are also struck by how much more effectively their messages have matched the moment.
Senator Sanders has spent nearly four decades advocating revolutionary change for a nation whose politics often move with glacial slowness. A career spent adjacent to the Democratic Party but not a part of it has allowed him to level trenchant criticism of a political party that often caters more to rich donors than to the middle class. Many of his ideas that were once labeled radical — like paid family leave, a higher minimum wage, universal health care and limits on military intervention — are now mainstream, and may attract voters who helped elect Mr. Trump in 2016.
Mr. Sanders would be 79 when he assumed office, and after an October heart attack, his health is a serious concern. Then, there’s how Mr. Sanders approaches politics. He boasts that compromise is anathema to him. Only his prescriptions can be the right ones, even though most are overly rigid, untested and divisive. He promises that once in office, a groundswell of support will emerge to push through his agenda. Three years into the Trump administration, we see little advantage to exchanging one over-promising, divisive figure in Washington for another.
Good news, then, that Elizabeth Warren has emerged as a standard-bearer for the Democratic left.
‘All I Can Do Is Get Out and Tell You What I’ll Fight For’
This video excerpt has been edited by “The Weekly.”
Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller. She speaks elegantly of how the economic system is rigged against all but the wealthiest Americans, and of “our chance to rewrite the rules of power in our country,” as she put it in a speech last month. In her hands, that story has the passion of a convert, a longtime Republican from Oklahoma and a middle-class family, whose work studying economic realities left her increasingly worried about the future of the country. The word “rigged” feels less bombastic than rooted in an informed assessment of what the nation needs to do to reassert its historic ideals like fairness, generosity and equality.
She is also committed to reforming the fundamental structures of government and the economy — her first commitment is to anti-corruption legislation, which is not only urgently needed but also has the potential to find bipartisan support. She speaks fluently about foreign policy, including how to improve NATO relations, something that will be badly needed after Mr. Trump leaves office.
Her campaign’s plans, in general, demonstrate a serious approach to policymaking that some of the other candidates lack. Ms. Warren accurately describes a lack of housing construction as the primary driver of the nation’s housing crisis, and she has proposed both increases in government funding for housing construction, and changes in regulatory policy to encourage local governments to allow more construction.
She has plans to sharply increase federal investment in clean energy research and to wean the American economy from fossil fuels. She has described how she would reduce the economic and political power of large corporations and give workers more ability to bargain collectively. And she has proposed a sweeping expansion of government support for Americans at every stage of life, from universal child care to free public college to expanded Social Security.
At the same time, a conservative federal judiciary will be almost as significant a roadblock for progressive change. For Ms. Warren, that leaves open questions — ones she was unwilling to wrestle with in our interview. Ms. Warren has proposed to pay for an expanded social safety net by imposing a new tax on wealth. But even if she could push such a bill through the Senate, the idea is constitutionally suspect and would inevitably be bogged down for years in the courts. A conservative judiciary also could constrain a President Warren’s regulatory powers, and roll back access to health care.
Carrying out a progressive agenda through new laws will also be very hard for any Democratic president. In that light, voters could consider what a Democratic president might accomplish without new legislation and, in particular, they could focus on the presidency’s wide-ranging powers to shape American society through the creation and enforcement of regulations.
As an adviser to President Barack Obama, Ms. Warren was the person most responsible for the creation of a new regulatory agency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. In her interview with the editorial board, she demonstrated her sophisticated understanding of the different levers of power in an administration, particularly in the use of regulation in areas such as trade, antitrust and environmental policy.
When she first arrived in Washington, amid the Great Recession, Senator Warren distinguished herself as a citizen-politician. She showed an admirable desire to shake off the entrapments of many Washington interests in favor of pragmatic problem-solving on behalf of regular people. In her primary campaign, however, she has shown some questionable political instincts. She sometimes sounds like a candidate who sees a universe of us-versus-thems, who, in the general election, would be going up against a president who has already divided America into his own version of them and us.
This has been most obvious in her case for “Medicare for all,” where she has already had to soften her message, as voters have expressed their lack of support for her plan. There are good, sound reasons for a public health care option — countries all over the world have demonstrated that. But Ms. Warren’s version would require winning over a skeptical public, legislative trench warfare to pass bills in Congress, the dismantling of a private health care system. That system, through existing public-private programs like Medicare Advantage, has shown it is not nearly as flawed as she insists, and it is even lauded by health economists who now advocate a single-payer system.
American capitalism is responsible for its share of sins. But Ms. Warren often casts the net far too wide, placing the blame for a host of maladies from climate change to gun violence at the feet of the business community when the onus is on society as a whole. The country needs a more unifying path. The senator talks more about bringing together Democrats, Republicans and independents behind her proposals, often leaning on anecdotes about her conservative brothers to do so. Ms. Warren has the power and conviction and credibility to make the case — especially given her past as a Republican — but she needs to draw on practicality and patience as much as her down-and-dirty critique of the system.
Ms. Warren’s path to the nomination is challenging, but not hard to envision. The four front-runners are bunched together both in national polls and surveys in states holding the first votes, so small shifts in voter sentiment can have an outsize influence this early in the campaign. There are plenty of progressives who are hungry for major change but may harbor lingering concerns about a messenger as divisive as Mr. Sanders. At the same time, some moderate Democratic primary voters see Ms. Warren as someone who speaks to their concerns about inequality and corruption. Her earlier leaps in the polls suggest she can attract more of both.
The lack of a single, powerful moderate voice in this Democratic race is the strongest evidence of a divided party. Never mind the talented, honorable politicians who chose to sit this fight out; just stop and consider the talents who did throw their hat into the ring and never got more than a passing glance from voters — Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Steve Bullock, Michael Bennet, Deval Patrick, Jay Inslee, among others.
Those candidates who remain all have a mix of strengths and weaknesses.
Pete Buttigieg, who is 38 and who was elected mayor of South Bend, Ind., in 2011, has an all-star résumé — Harvard graduate, Rhodes scholar, Navy veteran who served in Afghanistan, the first serious openly gay presidential candidate. His showing in the lead-up to the primaries predicts a bright political future; we look forward to him working his way up.
Andrew Yang, an entrepreneur and philanthropist, is an engaging and enthusiastic candidate whose diagnoses are often thought-provoking. He points to new solutions to 21st-century challenges rather than retrofitting old ideas. Yet he has virtually no experience in government. We hope he decides to get involved in New York politics.
Michael Bloomberg served three terms as New York’s mayor (and was endorsed twice by this page). A multibillionaire who built his namesake company from scratch, he is many of the things Mr. Trump pretends to be and would be an effective contrast to the president in a campaign. Mr. Bloomberg is the candidate in the race with the clearest track record of governing, even if that record has its blemishes, beginning with his belated and convenient apology for stop-and-frisk policing.
Still, Mr. Bloomberg’s current campaign approach reveals more about America’s broken system than his likelihood of fixing it. Rather than build support through his ideas and experience, Mr. Bloomberg has spent at least $217 million to date to circumvent the hard, uncomfortable work of actual campaigning. He’s also avoided difficult questions — going so far as to bar his own news organization from investigating him, and declining to meet with The Times’s editorial board under the pretext that he didn’t yet have positions on enough issues. What’s worse, Mr. Bloomberg refuses to allow several women with whom he has nondisclosure settlements to speak freely.
Few men have given more of their time and experience to the conduct of the public’s business than Joe Biden. The former vice president commands the greatest fluency on foreign policy and is a figure of great warmth and empathy. He’s prone to verbal stumbles, yes, but social media has also made every gaffe a crisis when it clearly is not.
Mr. Biden maintains a lead in national polls, but that may be a measure of familiarity as much as voter intention. His central pitch to voters is that he can beat Donald Trump. His agenda tinkers at the edges of issues like health care and climate, and he emphasizes returning the country to where things were before the Trump era. But merely restoring the status quo will not get America where it needs to go as a society. What’s more, Mr. Biden is 77. It is time for him to pass the torch to a new generation of political leaders.
Good news, then, that Amy Klobuchar has emerged as a standard-bearer for the Democratic center. Her vision goes beyond the incremental. Given the polarization in Washington and beyond, the best chance to enact many progressive plans could be under a Klobuchar administration.
The senator from Minnesota is the very definition of Midwestern charisma, grit and sticktoitiveness. Her lengthy tenure in the Senate and bipartisan credentials would make her a deal maker (a real one) and uniter for the wings of the party — and perhaps the nation.
‘I Am Someone That Has a Record of Bringing People With Me’
This video excerpt has been edited by “The Weekly.”
She promises to put the country on the path — through huge investments in green infrastructure and legislation to lower emissions — to achieve 100 percent net-zero emissions no later than 2050. She pledges to cut childhood poverty in half in a decade by expanding the earned-income and child care tax credits. She also wants to expand food stamps and overhaul housing policy and has developed the field’s most detailed plan for treating addiction and mental illness. And this is all in addition to pushing for a robust public option in health care, free community college and a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour.
Ms. Klobuchar speaks about issues like climate change, the narrowing middle class, gun safety and trade with an empathy that connects to voters’ lived experiences, especially in the middle of the country. The senator talks, often with self-deprecating humor, about growing up the daughter of two union workers, her Uncle Dick’s deer stand, her father’s struggles with alcoholism and her Christian faith.
Ms. Klobuchar promises a foreign policy based on leading by example, instead of by threat-via-tweet. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, she serves on the subcommittees responsible for oversight of the Department of Homeland Security, as well as the nation’s borders and its immigration, citizenship and refugee laws. In 13 years as a senator, she has sponsored and voted on dozens of national defense measures, including military action in Libya and Syria. Her record shows that she is confident and thoughtful, and she reacts to data — what you’d want in a crisis.
All have helped Ms. Klobuchar to be the most productive senator among the Democratic field in terms of bills passed with bipartisan support, according to a recent study for the Center for Effective Lawmaking. When she arrived in the Senate in 2007, Ms. Klobuchar was part of a bipartisan group of lawmakers that proposed comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship for 12 million undocumented immigrants, before conservative pundits made it political poison. Her more recent legislative accomplishments are narrower but meaningful to those affected, especially the legislation aimed at helping crime victims. This is not surprising given her background as the chief prosecutor in Minnesota’s most populous county. For example, one measure she wrote helped provide funds to reduce a nationwide backlog of rape kits for investigating sexual assaults.
Reports of how Senator Klobuchar treats her staff give us pause. They raise serious questions about her ability to attract and hire talented people. Surrounding the president with a team of seasoned, reasoned leaders is critical to the success of an administration, not doing so is often the downfall of presidencies. Ms. Klobuchar has acknowledged she’s a tough boss and pledged to do better. (To be fair, Bill Clinton and Mr. Trump — not to mention former Vice President Biden — also have reputations for sometimes berating their staffs, and it is rarely mentioned as a political liability.)
Ms. Klobuchar doesn’t have the polished veneer and smooth delivery that comes from a lifetime spent in the national spotlight, and she has struggled to gain traction on the campaign trail. In Minnesota, however, she is enormously popular. She has won all three of her Senate elections by double digits. In 2016, Hillary Clinton carried nine of Minnesota’s 87 counties. Ms. Klobuchar carried 51 in 2018. And it’s far too early to count Ms. Klobuchar out — Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democratic nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.
There has been a wildfire burning in Australia larger than Switzerland. The Middle East is more unstable at this moment than at any other time in the past decade, with a nuclear arms race looking more when than if. Basket-case governments in several nations south of the Rio Grande have sent a historic flood of migrants to our southern border. Global technology companies exert more political influence than some national governments. White nationalists from Norway to New Zealand to El Paso use the internet to share ideas about racial superiority and which caliber of rifle works best for the next mass killing.
The next president will shape the direction of America’s prosperity and the future of the planet, perhaps irrevocably. The current president, meanwhile, is a threat to democracy. He was impeached for strong-arming Ukraine into tampering with the 2020 election. There is no reason patriotic Americans should not be open to every chance to replace him at the ballot box.
Yet, Mr. Trump maintains near-universal approval from his party and will nearly certainly coast to the nomination. Democrats would be smart to recognize that Mr. Trump’s vision for America’s future is shared by many millions of Americans.
Any hope of restoring unity in the country will require modesty, a willingness to compromise and the support of the many demographics that make up the Democratic coalition — young and old, in red states and blue, black and brown and white. For Senator Klobuchar, that’s acknowledging the depth of the nation’s dysfunction. For Senator Warren, it’s understanding that the country is more diverse than her base.
There will be those dissatisfied that this page is not throwing its weight behind a single candidate, favoring centrists or progressives. But it’s a fight the party itself has been itching to have since Mrs. Clinton’s defeat in 2016, and one that should be played out in the public arena and in the privacy of the voting booth. That’s the very purpose of primaries, to test-market strategies and ideas that can galvanize and inspire the country.
Ms. Klobuchar and Ms. Warren right now are the Democrats best equipped to lead that debate.
May the best woman win.
Correction: An earlier version of this article misstated the most votes Mayor Pete Buttigieg previously won. It is roughly 630,000 votes in his loss in the 2010 race to be Indiana state treasurer. He won roughly 11,000 votes to become mayor of South Bend, Ind.
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A few people like Steve Hayward seem to mirror a side of my brain. His rambling here matches my thinking and saves me the from trying to put it to words. Dems are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't - choose Bernie - or Biden - or whomever. [Meanwhile Republicans are united for the moment.]
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/24/yangsurge-trends-as-andrew-yang-jumps-to-fourth-in-national-poll/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200125
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/the-state-of-things-for-dems-gloomy-getting-gloomier.php
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/24/yangsurge-trends-as-andrew-yang-jumps-to-fourth-in-national-poll/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200125
8% of Democrats only is still next to nothing but I'm glad he is the one gaining ground. As my old boss said about my division doubling its sales, two times sh* is still sh*t.
Funny that the two the NYT picked dropped coincidental to that news.
Some good aspects to Yang's rise: He would be a better President than Butti, Klob. or Warren. He will probably cap out below Biden and Bernie but split the delegate field if he rises enough. If he won the nomination he would make for a better campaign and general election for the nation than the others mentioned.
From the Trump or Republican view, that looks like a Biden Bernie tie, both miserable candidates in different ways.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/25/andrew-yang-2020-candidate-calls-out-dnc-for-exclu/
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My present assessment is this:
More bad news in the Biden & Son Grifters and Grafters pipeline coming soon. The Sandernistas will get ornery in response to the treatment of their guy by the Dem establishment and their running dogs in the Pravdas. Forked Tongue Lizzy will bleed votes to him. Wife Pete has peaked. Tulsi, Yang et al are there for color in the reportage.
The first four primaries may well not yield a nominee apparent.
The one to watch for is Bloomberg. IMHO his ads are effective and he may well surprise upside on Super Tuesday.
Considerable chance of no one winning on the first round at the Convention, at which point the super delegates come in.
Hillary will try making a move.
My present prediction is the final three will be Bernie, Bloomie, and the Dowager Empress with the DE getting laughed out of the building and the Super Delegates going for Bloomie.
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/andrew-yang-criticize-obama-handling-financial-crisis-economy-wall-street-2020-1-1028847191
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/25/nyc-mayor-bloomberg-government-has-right-infringe-/
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Shall we give him his own thread if he hits 10% of Dem support?
I think his importance to the electorate is overestimated outside of the NYC awareness sphere. I see his ads bragging he is 100% pro-choice. They all are so it strikes me as being a little bit defensive.
Latest from Calif, where money should make the most difference:
Sanders 26, Warren 20, Biden 15, Buttigieg 7, Bloomberg 6, Klobuchar 5, Yang 4, Steyer 2
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-28/bernie-sanders-grabs-lead-in-california-presidential-primary
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/bloombergs-plan-for-black-americans-doubles-down-on-the-lefts-failures/
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"Shall we give him his own thread if he hits 10% of Dem support?"
Sounds good. I thought I saw a poll to that effect recently , , ,
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/04/brother-slain-civil-rights-leader-medgar-evers-endorses-trump/81314234/
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best laugh all week
Bernie is suddenly a mensch:
https://apnews.com/38d217df36e903a671089dfb4e669218
He is a prototypical Commie Jew
dedicated to to the Communist Party (Democrat Party) and born a Jew .
(though has never to my knowledge ever identified with being Jewish as an adult in or politics)
Don't worry Bern 80 % of us Jews will (not me ) vote for you if you are the Com/Dem Party candidate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikgh4JbAWUU&feature=share
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3bmjx/mike-bloomberg-gave-the-dnc-dollar300000-two-days-before-he-entered-the-race?utm_source=vicenewsfacebook
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second post
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-public-service-rich-peter-schweizer
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https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-dylann-roof/
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second
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/31/yes-trumps-acquittal-is-real-and-its-spectacular/
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Iowa tonight. State of the union Tuesday. Acquittal Wed. NH next week. Super Tues one month away.
Polls say Bernie wins Iowa and NH. Biden second, then wins SC, NV? Then mixed results Super Tues.
Who falls, drops out? Who survives, gains momentum? Klob, Butti, Fauchahantas, will they all under-perform or will someone bump up?
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2020/02/01/questions-2020-iowa-caucuses-will-answer/4615168002/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/03/four_scenarios_for_tonights_caucuses_142298.html
It is not just who will prevail but will they re-unite a badly divided party? Four years ago Hillary Clinton tried to unite and win by adopting Bernie's agenda in the general election, fearing an uprising or desertion of the Left. This year we will either have the Left on the ticket in Bernie, or we will have someone who defeated the radical side of the Left. Then perhaps we will see the uprising or desertion that the so-called moderates feared.
I've asked my liberal friends, which Dem? I've only heard unenthusiastic "Biden" mutterances in response - except for one who works for Amy. Nobody new has caught on.
Who do YOUR liberal friends and relatives like?
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/andrew-yang-is-the-most-likable-2020-democrat/
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I am so old I remember when the term 'stupid party' on the forum meant Republicans. THIS is tone deaf. I've never seen anything like it, at least since the taxpayers flew the Obama's dog BO on a separate jet to Martha's vineyard. What was his hurry?
I wondered how these Senate Democrats fly out of an impeachment hearing of their own choosing to find a last second seat on an airline to Iowa - like little people do? But as they brag all their donations come from little people, they don't need to fly 'commercial' anymore. They have the little people's money now.
Trying to think who it reminds me of: "By helping the shepherd, you're helping the sheep."
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/televangelists-jim-tammy-faye-bakker-fall-grace-article-1.3387060
More CO2 was spewed than little people emit in a lifetime. "Driver, take me to Mason City, and step on it!"
Besides, Democrats holding an event in Iowa 2020 is about as relevant as Republicans holding their first caucus in Massachusetts. Is it too early to call Iowa for Trump?
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The Sanders campaign reports it received 29.7 percent of the vote, closely followed by former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 24.6 percent. Sen. Elizabeth Warren came in at 21.2 percent, and former Vice President Joe Biden in fourth at 12.4 percent.
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/04/sanders-campaign-release-caucus-numbers-iowa-buttigieg/
Accuracy unknown except that the winner has the least reason to lie.
The fall of Biden is the big story. He needed to at least be competitive.
That is better than expected for Warren, but how do you call losing to Buttigieg a win?
Shocking, Klobuchar is not mentioned. Dismal 5th in her must-win state? So sad. "On to New Hampshire!" For what, post-campaign vacation?
It's not even a win for Sanders with the failed process stepping on his fairy tail story. But assuming he wins NH, winning both and crushing Biden before they head into Nevada and South Carolina IS a story.
Unless people think Butti is the real deal, this opens the door a mile wide for Mini Mike, who also lacks wide appeal. Mike didn't want to take his anti-gun message to Iowa? He couldn't afford the media market in the big Quad Cities/Davenport? He knows the liberal vote in Iowa is in the college towns and Bernie strangely owns the the young skulls of mush vote.
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perennial loser MOOOOK is involved:
https://pjmedia.com/election/hoo-boy-hillarys-campaign-manager-was-involved-with-that-disastrous-iowa-caucus-app/
as . a Republican gotta love this pajama boy clinton appartichik
he is a total screw up.
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The focus last night is wrongly placed on how bad this process makes Iowa look. The Democrats hate Iowa, too many white voters etc. They already wanted to move the first primary out before this happened. Now for sure they will.
But think about it the other way around, what kind of impression did the Democrats make to Iowans?
The only two term, swing state Governor in the race, with namesake to Iowa, Hickenlooper, came in and told a family audience about taking his mom to see Deep Throat. Oops:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourke_B._Hickenlooper
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/03/21/john-hickenlooper-took-mom-see-adult-movie-deep-throat/3231629002/
The rest came to advance coastal elite policies that will never win in a state where Jodi Ernst is sure to be reelected Senator.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-joni-ernsts-ad-about-castrating-hogs-transformed-iowas-us-senate-race/2014/05/11/c02d1804-d85b-11e3-95d3-3bcd77cd4e11_story.html
6 out of 10 Iowa homes heat with clean natural gas from a neighboring state that leading Democrats want to outright ban. [The other 4 out of 10 heat their homes with other fossil fuels, propane, that Democrats want to ban.] https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=IA6
Heating your home is not a political joke in the Upper Midwest. Taking away heat in winter is not a gaffe; it is an act of war.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-expanding-base-of-black-hispanic-suburban-voters-has-51-approval
“The president continues to receive a high approval rating near or slightly above 50% for the third straight poll. He has rebounded with Independents, women, suburban voters and suburban women,”
...a resurgence of support among independents, suburbanites, suburban women, and an expansion beyond his 2016 support among black and Hispanic voters.
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In the suburbs, the impeachment reaction has helped Trump. “Since the House impeachment and Senate trial, Trump’s job approval rating and numbers against his Democratic rivals have improved with Independents, suburban voters and suburban women,” said the analysis.
With black voters overall, 22% support Trump, a significant jump from the 8% he won in 2016.
And with Hispanic voters, Trump’s average is 36%, also up big from the 28% he won in 2016.
Zogby added that among Hispanic voters who feel good about the economy, support for Trump is even wider.
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That is good news!
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The Art of Warping Elections
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
February 4, 2020 6:30 AM
President Barack Obama listens to a question during his last press conference at the White House, January 18, 2017. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
Team Obama paved the way.
No sooner were Democrats’ Trump-Russia collusion charges debunked than they began to claim that Trump will do again in 2020 what Robert Mueller found he did not do in 2016: rig the election.
After 22 months, nearly 500 subpoenas, and somewhere around $35 million in costs, special counsel Robert Mueller’s much praised progressive “all-star” team of lawyers and investigators found no evidence that Donald Trump had colluded with the Russians. Trump did not warp the 2016 election, and so he had not unfairly defeated the supposed sure-winner Hillary Clinton. But again those who have investigated and attacked Trump nonstop probably are seeking to do in 2020 what they falsely accused Trump of doing in 2016.
Mueller’s failure to find any collusion evidence was not for want of the dream team’s “bombshell” and “walls are closing in” leaks to CNN and MSNBC talking heads, over the course of 88 weeks. Almost daily we heard ad nauseam that Trump was soon to be indicted, convicted, removed, or summarily dispatched.
If anyone should have found “collusion,” it was certainly the Mueller zealots, then de facto ramrodded by current MSNBC partisan “legal” analyst Andrew Weissmann. (How odd that John Brennan, James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, and Andrew Weissmann leak to MSNBC and CNN and then, in the out-phase of their perpetually revolving-door careers, end up rewarded by their receptacles as paid TV analysts).
In the end, the “hunter-killer team” imploded.
Its ranks, in mediis rebus, were depleted by the summary firings of unethical anti-Trump FBI officials such as Lisa Page, and Peter Strozk, who had ridiculed the target of their investigation in amorous textual exchanges. Also fired for bias was FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith (“Viva le [sic] résistance),” who had also illegally altered a document to befool a FISA judge. The entire charade finally ended with Mueller’s post facto enfeebled testimony before congressional committee, in which he mysteriously claimed little knowledge of Fusion GPS and its offspring the Steele dossier, the fonts and catalysts of his own investigation.
NOW WATCH: 'George Soros Thinks Trump And Facebook Are Conspiring to Get Him Re-Elected'
Few, however, dared to say that the entire fraud will have played a role in the 2020 election, or at least was meant to play a part by embarrassing and defaming Trump — in the manner of the current impeachment hoax.
Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s huge team at the Department of Justice used almost as many resources as Mueller and found that the FBI and DOJ had deluded a FISA court in order to spy on an American citizen, who just happened to be a low-level Trump aide. It incidentally also discovered that a foreign national Christopher Steele had peddled junk opposition research that was gobbled up by Obama-administration intelligence agencies in an effort to spy on Page and thus the Trump campaign. Through the “two-hop” rule, a warrant allows spying on an individual, and on anyone that individual has contacted, and additionally on anyone those secondary people have contacted. Further, the warrant allows investigators to look back in time, going back years. In short, in today’s climate, one could argue that Team Obama functionaries, even in retirement, sought to influence the 2016 election by slandering Trump, and his holdover appointees have kept up their obsessions in order to affect the 2020 election.
Not one Democrat impeacher believes that Trump will be convicted and removed from office. All of them probably trust that impeaching him in the House will weaken his chances at reelection — and that they should, as impeachment is merely using government properly to influence an election.
Yet, under the current new standards, we might have easily impeached almost any prior first-term president on a variety of charges and certainly questioned the fairness of any incumbent’s election victory.
Take the divine Barack Obama. Obstruction of Congress?
Obama invoked executive privilege to obstruct congressional subpoenas in the Fast and Furious scandals. People died. And they died in Benghazi, a preventable debacle that was fraudulently blamed on an obscure video-maker. And some likely died as the result of the illegal Taliban–Bergdahl hostage swap.
Abuse of power? In the run-up to his 2012 reelection campaign, Obama weaponized the IRS to neuter Tea Party groups so they’d have no chance to repeat the stunning success they enjoyed in the 2010 midterm elections. And would monitoring the communications of Associated Press journalists now qualify as an abuse of power? Maybe stonewalling the Senate and passing the Iranian-deal treaty without a two-thirds ratification vote could qualify as well? Would sacrificing Eastern Europe missile defense for Putin’s temporary good behavior (prior to the 2012 election) qualify as a Trumpian impeachable quid pro quo? Not giving lethal aid to the Ukrainians in fear of Putin’s wrath?
On the further matter of warping an election, reconsider the successful reelection of Barack Obama in 2102. A number of scholars, including researchers from the Kennedy School of Government, Stockholm University, and the American Enterprise Institute, later suggested that had the Tea Party not been emasculated by systematic and politicized IRS harassment, it might have added more than 5 million voters to Republican ranks — more than the margin of Obama’s victory — in the 2012 election.
Then there was Obama’s election-year lapse when he got caught on a hot mic (on March 21, 2012), pledging to outgoing Putin surrogate Dmitri Medvedev that if Putin just gave Obama “space” before his reelection (i.e., not causing trouble in Eastern Europe and thus discrediting the entire sham of Russian “reset”), then a successfully reelected Obama in return would show “flexibility” on joint American–Eastern European missile defense — meaning that Obama would cancel the long-planned missile-defense shield).
Remember the quid pro quo context: Romney was running neck and neck in the polls with Obama and was rebuking the president for his “reset” softness about Putin’s increasing hostility to the U.S. and its interests. If Putin were to hibernate during the American election cycle, it would be easier to diminish Romney as a Cold War dinosaur. Obama later argued exactly that in a presidential debate: “When you were asked, “What the biggest geopolitical threat facing America?’ you said Russia! . . . The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” And so voters were reminded of the trademark Obama charisma that had achieved peace and mesmerized even thuggish enemies
Unlike Trump’s pseudo-scandal that never resulted in a cutoff of aid to Ukraine (indeed, Trump’s aid to Ukraine far superseded that of the timid Obama administration, which refused to sell Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine), Obama’s tit-for-tat deal delivered the politically convenient results: Putin delayed his territorial expansion into Crimea and Eastern Ukraine until after Obama’s reelection, and the U.S. did withdraw its sponsorship of Eastern Europe missile defense.
But there was more in pre-election 2012.
Do we remember former Fugees rapper Prakazrel “Pras” Michel and the strange, rich Malaysian wheeler-dealer Low Taek Jho — the pair who had planned to channel some $21 million in mostly foreign monies into pro-Obama outlets during the 2012 election? How strange that we did not discover fully their nefarious electioneering until seven years after the fact — given that “collusion” with foreign entities to “rig” U.S. elections are the chief concerns of watchdog Democrats. Had voters known of such past skullduggery at the time, would they have factored in that malfeasance on Election Day?
Then there was other mysterious “news” that broke just after Obama was reelected in 2012. Again, it was only in December 2012, after the president was reelected, that the Federal Election Commission clarified its earlier preliminary findings of illegal behavior by the 2008 Obama campaign. Only weeks after the president’s 2012 reelection, the Commission announced that it was leveling one of the largest fines ($375,000) in its history on Obama’s earlier campaign for not disclosing the amounts or sources of sizable donations. How conveniently odd that after four years of investigatory work, the voters learned right after — rather than before — Election Day that the Obama team had a bad habit of breaking fundraising and campaigning rules.
There were even more mysterious 2012 post-election “bombshells.” A mere 24 hours after Obama’s victory, the public was tersely told that the Iranians, five days earlier, well before Election Day, had fired on an American drone — a most unwelcome development in the then ongoing courting of Iran that would eventually lead to the infamous Iran deal.
Might voters have appreciated that knowledge as they assessed the degree of success or failure of the Obama’s reset outreach to Iran?
Even stranger still was the abrupt resignation of CIA director David Petraeus scarcely more than two days after the election. Weeks earlier, Petraeus had given substantial closed-door testimony to congressional committees about the election-cycle Benghazi disaster, the role of the CIA in security lapses in Benghazi, and, most controversially, the nature of the attack: whether it was a preplanned terrorist hit or, as the administration claimed, an ad hoc mortar barrage incited by a supposedly Islamophobic, right-wing video made by a Lebanese Coptic Christian living in America.
Remember, we were repeatedly told by Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton that a nefarious, reactionary, immigrant Muslim-hater had quite unexpectedly egged on the Arab Street, which in turn led to a spontaneous rampage against Americans — a narrative that would hide the Obama administration’s wages of appeasement, manifested in negligently lax security for our diplomatic and security personnel in the American-induced badlands of Libya.
What was not known at the time of Petraeus’s testimony was that, four weeks earlier, Attorney General Eric Holder and the FBI had formally started investigating the CIA director for alleged security lapses concerning his contacts with his mistress.
Voters learned of all that only a few days after Election Day, with the CIA director’s stunning resignation and apology, and subsequent plea bargaining to a lesser offense — all leading to the replacement appointment of John Brennan, known subsequently for lying under oath with impunity on two occasions to Congress.
Apparently, Obama and Eric Holder felt that, after weeks of investigation, it was critical only after Election Day to immediately announce the fate of Petraeus. This was at a time when some in Congress were complaining that CIA testimonies were less than candid and were unrealistically promoting the administration’s narrative that the Benghazi debacle was the result of spontaneous rioting rather than the work of skilled terrorists who had planned the attacks. Some House members would soon complain that Petraeus’s post-resignation testimony on the nature of the attackers (that they were likely Islamic extremists) differed from his pre-election comments that the video had enraged Libyans and provoked untrained mobs to attack the consul and annex.
Had Petraeus resigned before Election Day, would voters have become curious about the circumstances of his abrupt departure? Would they have asked questions about what exactly the U.S. was doing in Libya and under whose direction?
In other words, the Obama administration, perhaps more so than prior administrations, played politics with the news cycles, abused campaign-finance laws, leveraged its powers of incumbency for partisan advantage, put reelection aims on par with or above U.S. security concerns, left hanging key U.S. allies, and sought to use the administrative state to enhance its 2012 reelection chances and to diminish the opposition’s party 2016 candidate. And all that likely helped reelect Barack Obama.
Until recently, I believed that none of this Obama skullduggery rose to the level of impeachable offenses that would have nullified the 2012 election and canceled out the votes of millions of Americans.
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Now, under the new standards established by Adam Schiff, Gerald Nadler, and Nancy Pelosi, all that and more from the Obama administration were most eminently impeachable.
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https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/02/clinton-campaign-veterans-run-firm-that-built-the-disastrous-iowa-caucus-phone-app/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/04/after-epic-nightmare-iowa-democratic-app-built-secretive-firm-shadow-inc-comes-under
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/02/dhs-offered-to-test-the-iowa-caucus-app-but-democrats-declined/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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Crafty, from Bloomberg thread: "It sure looks like the Titanic that is the Biden campaign has hit the Iowan iceberg. To whom are Biden supporters going to go?
Buttgig?"
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That has been the question all along. There is no one competent, qualified, attractive in that lane. Now it is urgent if you are establishment Dem.
Iowa is apparently saying Butti over Biden, but Butti and Iowa are Midwest, now called Trump country. What does that mean for Dem voters in Calif, NY, Texas? We'll see.
Along with Biden, Butti kicked Amy K in the butti in her home region. NH should finish her off if it's not already clear she's done.
Butti is beating expectations so far, but creating nothing like the excitement like the excitement of Obama 2008. Obama, out of nowhere, was already a sitting US Senator from a major state, a de facto leader of the Senate with major endorsements. And he ran in a no incumbent year following Republican division and failure, nothing like now.
Yang (and the rest) also had essentially zero. There isn't another unknown upstart coming.
Can Biden come part way back after IA, NH? Does Butti rise or fall from here? Warren did better than I expected, can she finish 1 or 2 in NH? Can Mayor Mike get ONE endorsement? I see him as getting only enough support to create more division, not closure. Hillary and Kerry make sounds but can't do it either and there is no one left to dig up and put in.
What we see developing is more chaos, not clarity.
Airbnb's top destination for 2020 is Milwaukee! We'll be watching.
https://news.airbnb.com/20-for-2020/
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https://www.westernjournal.com/cnns-van-jones-warns-democrats-trump-winning-black-voters-helping-real-life/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2020-02-05&utm_campaign=manualpost
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Still not final! Essentially Sanders and Butti are tied. Then there is 1st and second round voting. Just what we need (sarc), ranked choice voting.
Peter Buttigieg 42,235 26.2%
Bernard Sanders 44,753 26.1%
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/iowa/
click link to update
Besides Biden, the losers are Warren and Klobuchar (and all the others). Warren lost to Biden and Klobuchar lost to Buttigieg in the less socialist lane. In both cases, the woman was equally or better qualified. If these results matter, they have no blacks left, no women left, no Hispanics left, no Asian Americans left if you count Yang's zero as being out. It's by their definition this makes them sexist and racist.
Tepid turnout is a cause for some concern among Democrats.
Sean Trende, Senior elections analyst, RealClearPolitics.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/05/takeaways_from_the_early_iowa_caucus_results_142318.html
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Given that it is the Federalist, surprising that there is no mention that the App was developed by Clintonistas , , ,
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/06/democrat-congresswoman-blames-iowa-caucus-disaster-on-russia/
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see my post #1078
on election fraud thread
Putin jokingly blamed
never underestimate the chutzpah of the Dems and the Clintonites
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk
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I'm sorry, did they just say, highest such finding Gallup has ever recorded?
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Gallup finds that 59% say they are better off than they were a year ago, as opposed to only 20% who say they are worse off. Those are great numbers–interestingly, we are so divided that political affiliation makes a big difference even on a simple question about one’s own finances–but that isn’t the data point I mean.
The most striking finding is this one: 74% say they expect to be better off a year from now than they are today, the highest such finding Gallup has ever recorded
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/why-trump-will-be-re-elected-in-one-data-point.php
This came out before today's big positive employment news.
No idea what's causing it, the WashPost fact checkers call it, the best three years of the Obama expansion!
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"No idea what's causing it, the WashPost fact checkers call it, the best three years of the Obama expansion!"
scumbags
and these MSM Democrat operatives get up on their high holy horse and have the nerve to call Trump vindictive
for their *24/7/365* abuse of him
Republicans (minus the jonah golbergs, bill kristols, nicole wallaces, colin powells, michael steeles, guiseppe scarboroughs ( with the comic book archie haircut)
are going to come out in droves and shove it all back in their faces for ignoring us , insulting us , and trying to exterminate our culture our beliefs and freedoms
in November. :wink:
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Is this the one where the wisdom and charisma of Tom Steyer will finally shine through?
Can record low viewership go any lower?
Will they break (brake?) for Bloomberg commercials?
Will people across the fruited plain call up their neighbors to turn on their television sets to see who is this Bootie-judge who broke out in Bettendorf? But instead see a madman named Sanders giving Castro speeches as the current leader in the clubhouse of JFK's old party.
Will one questioner ask one tough question of one candidate about ANY of the at least 56 Trump accomplishments laid out in the State of the Union, almost none of which would have happened if they were in office? Or will uttering the label, Manifesto of Mistruths, suffice?
How about just a simple show of hands: Are you for or against economic growth? Yes? No?
Then why do you oppose everything that leads to that?!!!
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"Will one questioner ask one tough question of one candidate "
Zucker's orders -> don't they dare unless they want to look for a new career.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=WYW6Efw8b5U&feature=emb_logo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=WYW6Efw8b5U&feature=emb_logo
Keep looking down.
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Bernie Sanders Makes His Charge
Republicans say he can’t win. That’s what Hillary Clinton said about Donald Trump.
By The Editorial Board
Feb. 7, 2020 7:07 pm ET
Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks during a campaign rally in Derry, N.H., Feb. 5.
PHOTO: STEVEN SENNE/ASSOCIATED PRESS
No major American political party has nominated a full-throated socialist for President. But after his strong showing in Iowa, could Bernie Sanders be the first? That’s the question Democrats have to ask as Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary approaches. Republicans may want to hold the Schadenfreude.
The counting fiasco has muddled the Iowa results, but it seems Mr. Sanders has either finished a narrow first or a close second to former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg. The Vermont Senator now leads in New Hampshire by 4.7 points in the Real Clear Politics average. He has so far held off Elizabeth Warren, his main challenger on the left, who finished a distant third in Iowa and trails in the Granite State.
A second victory would give Mr. Sanders momentum for this month’s later contests in Nevada, where the polls have tightened, and South Carolina, where voters who favor Joe Biden might be looking for a new champion if the former Vice President continues to fade. The Morning Consult poll says Mr. Sanders is the top second choice for Biden supporters, with 27%. Mike Bloomberg is next with 21%.
Mr. Sanders has taken a 4.8-point lead in California, the largest delegate prize on March 3. That day will also include primaries in Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Utah and Vermont, all states that Bernie won in 2016. Mr. Sanders won’t lack for money, having raised $25 million last month, on top of the $108 million he previously raised from mostly small donors, according to data at OpenSecrets.org.
All of this is a credit to Mr. Sanders’s grass-roots appeal. He has struck a chord in particular with millennial voters who don’t recall the miseries of Cold War-era socialism. The Senator is running as an outsider in an era when millions of Americans mistrust elite institutions. Not unlike Donald Trump, he campaigns as a fighter for those left behind. The difference is that his foils are corporations and the wealthy, the classic targets of left-wing populists.
The risk for his supporters and the Democratic Party is that Bernie’s platform is the most explicitly left-wing since at least Henry Wallace in 1948. He wants to nationalize health insurance, eliminating 170 million private policies. He wants a $16.3 trillion Green New Deal and a $2.5 trillion housing plan, to include national rent control. He wants to cancel $1.6 trillion in student debt and ban fracking. He wants a “wealth tax” on individual net worth, with rates up to 8% a year. He wants a federal law saying workers can’t be fired without “just cause.”
All of this is no longer disqualifying in a Democratic primary because the party took a sharp left turn during the Obama years and has kept driving. Mr. Sanders’s backers also remember being scolded to rally behind the “electable” Hillary Clinton. Now that pitch has less salience for Mr. Biden. Progressives think Mr. Trump’s personal unpopularity offers a unique chance to win the White House with an agenda that yanks the country to the left.
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All of which confronts Democrats with a dilemma not unlike the one Republicans faced four years ago in Mr. Trump. Their panic is already palpable, yet who can they rally behind as the alternative?
Mr. Biden finished fourth in Iowa and might be the collateral damage of Nancy Pelosi’s impeachment missile. She aimed at Mr. Trump and hit Uncle Joe. Mr. Buttigieg is rising in New Hampshire and could become the default non-socialist alternative. But he’s a 38-year-old former small-city mayor who hasn’t attracted much African-American support.
Mr. Bloomberg is pouring hundreds of millions into ads in March 3 primary states, but what if his main contribution is to siphon votes from Mr. Buttigieg, or Mr. Biden if he’s still running? Democrats also have to worry about appearing to conspire to deny Mr. Sanders the nomination, alienating his supporters whom they will need to win in November.
Republicans will be tempted to cheer, thinking Mr. Trump would trounce Mr. Sanders. Some GOP officials in South Carolina, the Charleston Post and Courier reports, plan to urge Republicans to vote for Bernie in the state’s open primary. This is playing with fire.
Mr. Sanders is beating Mr. Trump in most head-to-head polls in key states, and simply labeling him a socialist won’t be enough. In this politically volatile age, the impossible can soon become inevitable. Ask the Democrats who rejoiced when the GOP nominated Mr. Trump.
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second
OTOH there is this
https://nypost.com/2020/02/07/bernie-sanders-calls-for-nationwide-end-to-cash-bail-during-democratic-debate/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
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!).butti. most likely
2) mini mike
Or
2) the guy who always sounds like he has mouth full of pastrami every time he speaks
(. depending if, " the hate the rich crowd free shit crowd" wins over "the establishment in the swamp loop crats ")
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Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide. Many states will not be friendly.
Bloomie is 10% wide and climbing. Listened to his campaign manager this morning on FOX. The guy is crisp. The message is crisp-- for the Dem vote.
Sandernista will win NH, but subsequent states may not be as easy.
Prediction: Brokered convention.
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I wonder if someone is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention...
Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide. Many states will not be friendly.
Bloomie is 10% wide and climbing. Listened to his campaign manager this morning on FOX. The guy is crisp. The message is crisp-- for the Dem vote.
Sandernista will win NH, but subsequent states may not be as easy.
Prediction: Brokered convention.
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Crafty: ".Buttgig is 7% RCP nationwide. Many states will not be friendly."
oh,
well few weeks back I was picking Warren to win. :-o
GM: "I wonder if someone is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention..."
yup. she and her mob are just drooling for that "right moment". "never say never".
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https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Elizabeth-Warren-says-she-will-skip-the-AIPAC-conference-616898
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warren looks bad now
what a few weeks or months can make
she has to hope Bern keels over.
when she drops out ( if ever) I assume most of hers will go to bern (?)
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She... 'is lurking in the shadows, waiting for a brokered convention'. (from Bloomberg thread)
She... is the most popular woman in Democratic politics over the last 12 years, maybe ever.
She... wrote a memoir that sold 10 million copies last year.
She... was first lady of the United States.
She... Is Michelle Obama.
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Seriously: The first job of the 'brokered convention' is for losing candidates to concede and get behind the leading candidates. Put the one who was leading going in over the top and unite, not negate the voice of the primary voters. If getting behind number one is not possible, nominate the one who is everyone's second choice. I don't see how they unite behind someone who was not one of the top 3 going in. Really, it needs to to be the leading vote-getter or they won't be unified.
Will Bernie voters be satisfied if he is the leader from all the primaries and Hillary is anointed? Ha! It would be more like civil war.
They will fight in Milwaukee. Then Trump will carry Wisconsin.
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NH primary tomorrow. No one knows what to think of it.
"Trump's opponent in the general election" Joe Biden is running fifth?
Klobuchar is passing up Biden and Warren, but already lost her lane to Buttigieg.
Bloomberg is not on the ballot. Ummm, "MURKOWSKY" won her statewide race with a write-in. New Hampshirers can't spell "Bloomberg"?? Mini-Mike couldn't afford the entry fee, didn't know the deadline? Is too clever by half?
All except those leading in NH have declared that NH doesn't matter.
Bernie leads. Buttigieg already declared victory. Thinking of Butti, there's this:
"The only people who think that real world experience doesn't matters are those who never had real world experience." - @nntaleb
Suffolk: Sanders 27, Buttigieg 19, Klobuchar 14, Warren 12, Biden 12
Emerson: Sanders 30, Buttigieg 23, Klobuchar 14, Warren 11, Biden 10
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If Trump gets even 20% of the black vote in swing states such as Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania, then Democrats will simply have no path to victory.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/democrats-should-be-very-afraid-of-trumps-powerful-pitch-to-black-voters
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/07/election-2020-new-electoral-map-110496?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/07/election-2020-new-electoral-map-110496?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
Good article, considering their slant.
"a “Blue Wall,” a term applied to a northern tier of 18 states, stretching from coast to coast, that appeared to provide a structural advantage for a Democratic nominee."
The 'Blue Wall' was the 242 electoral vote count they thought they had locked up before they started, back when they loved the electoral college - and the constitution that defines it. They only needed 28 more electoral votes to win.
Nate Silver, 2015: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-is-no-blue-wall/ There is no Blue Wall
"when commentators talk about the Democrats’ “blue wall,” all they’re really pointing out is that Democrats have had a pretty good run in presidential elections lately (2015)... The Electoral College just isn’t worth worrying about much... Clinton is no sort of lock, and if she loses the popular vote by even a few percentage points, the “blue wall” will seem as archaic as talk of a permanent Republican majority."
Or if her popular vote victory comes all from one state she already won.
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Trump will win MN IF he wins a 2% improvement from suburban voters, suburban women. But if he wins MN, he has already won IA, WI, MI, OH, PA, FL, NC etc the House, the Senate and an easy reelection.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=P3beFOnjBoE&feature=emb_logo
Trump could really do something with this.
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https://clarionproject.org/buttigieg-sanders-biden-oppose-hit-soleimani/?utm_source=Clarion+Project+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3fad784072-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_02_11_11_19&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_60abb35148-3fad784072-6358189&mc_cid=3fad784072
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before the election
suddenly they are all friends. he looks like he is kissing their asses
what is going on . Who is playing whom? surely there is maneuvering going on .
weird:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-heaps-praise-on-trillion-dollar-tech-club-calling-four-big-companies-maga.html
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https://patriotpost.us/articles/68531-is-klobuchars-momentum-real?mailing_id=4860&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4860&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
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https://patriotpost.us/articles/68531-is-klobuchars-momentum-real?mailing_id=4860&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4860&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
From the article:
"Klobuchar “is campaigning for an economy-destroying policy of net-zero emissions by 2050 and a ‘more robust public option’ in healthcare. In other words, socialized medicine.” She also supports eliminating the Electoral College, ending offshore oil drilling, and banning semiautomatic rifles." “It is a testament to how far left the Democrat Party has veered that Klobuchar could be considered a centrist.”
Even The Washington Post admits that “every major Democratic candidate is running on an agenda to the left of [Barack] Obama’s.” That includes Klobuchar.
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NH: Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar
Yang out, Michael Bennett out, Deval Patrick out. Steyer out. Only 5 people have won any delegates. It would seem that Warren is out too having lost in both lanes and no path forward. I guess it depends on how much money she has left and how best to time the humility of admitting failure. She really thought she was going somewhere.
Biden also should drop out. We'll see if his lead holds up in SC. Isn't he already out of money?
If Biden fails, none of the remaining have any appeal to the "black and brown" people. [I hate those grouping. They aren't hyphenated-voters; they are voters.]
I didn't agree that Bloomberg would catch on. The importance of NYC is )IMO) between small and contrary indicator in the heartland and he's wrong on the issues. But it is now a race with none of the above winning so why not Mike? (
I listened more carefully to a Bloomberg spot today. It all sounds so good, a really dynamic narrator tells you how great this man is for most of the minute. Then a monotone, aging, uncharismatic candidate says a couple of sentences in his own words, negating all the excitement. Let's get that narrator in the race!
Sanders is the vote leader after two states, getting 25% of the vote. The not-Sanders vote looks to be 75%. If Warren drops or gets any more irrelevant, that could move to 30-70 with the 70 split between Butti, Biden, Bloomberg and Klob-mentum. Will one of these set themselves apart? So far that one is Butti, but it is 2 states of 50 and he is just starting to face resistance. Much more to come.
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saw him speaking in suit and VERY Obamanesque
he surely is copying the "one". another slickster - not fooling anyone but he knows the media will cover for him.
Funny how the Wall street people who have no problem with socialism and big government controlling all of OUR lives
suddenly a scared at the prospect of Sanders - who would love to steal THEIR money are suddenly decrying "socialism"
to think they run to butti or napolean
to save their fortunes
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(Doug) "Sanders is the vote leader after two states, getting 25% of the vote. The not-Sanders vote looks to be 75%. If Warren drops... that could move to 30-70 with the 70 split between [the others]."
Also leading nationwide with about 25%.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
Political analyst Sean Trende calls it the Sanders Ceiling:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/12/takeaways_from_new_hampshire_142376.html
I think it's the Sanders Trap. Think of AOC and the people who love her (and Bernie). People get all excited with all this anger at the very basic foundations of our society (fruits of your labor, private property, work hard get ahead). They don't just come down from that when someone else is (wrongly) nominated, turn on a dime and say ok, now we back Butti or Mini-Mike with a smile on their face.
Sanders could win Nevada, win California big time and win many other states with his clear message of tear it all down, while these others get tangled up with each other with their slick, pretend moderation. His 25-30% ceiling might be 40% of the delegates at the convention. (Candidates getting below 15% in a state receive no delegates.)
If Sanders is the leader coming into the convention, either they nominate him and drive away the moderates, or they step over him (again) and drive away the radicals. Which will it be?
Defeating Trump is what unites them? Not when what is stopping them is the establishment of their own party.
The big Academia-Media complex created and fueled all this Leftism, especially in young people. The rich are making you poor and the world is going to end! Now they have no idea how to rein it in and defeat Trump and the Republicans with a sensible centrist.
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think she would accept :wink:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/02/15/rumor-mill-clinton-may-be-coming-back-to-the-election-stage-as-a-vp-pick-n2561378
rejected 3 times by voters
so give her mob the nod this way.
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Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/14/poll-michael-bloomberg-polling-ahead-of-joe-biden-in-florida/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200215
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Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/14/poll-michael-bloomberg-polling-ahead-of-joe-biden-in-florida/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=best_of_the_week&utm_campaign=20200215
If Hillary is his VP, Bloomie better hope he doesn't win.
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".Bllomie-Hillary would be a very formidable ticket-- not to be taken lightly!"
Of course it would be .
that is why it is all over the news.
The entire Wall Street est. , DNC media complex with control of the media and 90% of the propaganda of this country
and Clinton's political machine back in business ....
This will sweep butti away
and it probably will sweep aside the Sanders Warren wing, as the money crowd SUDDENLY is worried about socialism now that it could hurt their asses and not just the little people they know what is best for.
One thing I find odd
How come no mention of the stereotype "rich Jew" controlling the country?
No mention he would be first Jewish Prez. Odd.
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America's reaction to Clintons back on the national scene:
https://youtu.be/BPlsqo2bk2M
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"One thing I find odd
How come no mention of the stereotype "rich Jew" controlling the country?
No mention he would be first Jewish Prez. Odd.
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Waiting patiently for the Bloomberg endorsements from Omar and Tlaib. Warren rails against people like Bloomberg too, (without calling them Jews). There is going to be a very strong anti-Mike movement in the Dem party rising with his numbers.
Gays, blacks, Jews, Muslims, Billionaires and the welfare crowd all in the same party. Teachers unions stopping choice and people demanding school choice - all together. Moderates and radicals all coming together. What could possibly go wrong? Milwaukee 2020, here we come.
AOC does support a "rich Jew" for President, Bernie Sanders. It's okay for far-Left to support a rich (non-observant?) Jew as long as they support the destruction of the Israeli state (and the American economy).
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/national-latino-group-endorses-bernie-sanders-115712
Of course the all flood over here in the last 30 yrs
now want the rest of us to pay for their "free" benefits
who would have guessed?
wonder if the DEms have noticed?
wonder if the repubs and their business backers have noticed or care?
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/national-latino-group-endorses-bernie-sanders-115712
Of course the all flood over here in the last 30 yrs
now want the rest of us to pay for their "free" benefits
who would have guessed?
wonder if the DEms have noticed?
wonder if the repubs and their business backers have noticed or care?
https://outline.com/9qYsWE
The Atlantic › February 17, 2020
Latino Support for Trump Is Real
Kristian Ramos
... When Democrats reach out to Latino voters, they are too focused on immigration, and say too little about other issues these voters prioritize. If they want to win over enough Latino votes to retake the White House, Democrats must continue to fight for the immigrant community, but they must also offer a positive, aspirational narrative that embraces Latinos as a vibrant part of America.
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I would rather win the voters than support of the radical group leaders.
One party offers you welfare and free stuff if you stay poor enough to qualify. The other party just brought you the lowest unemployment rate in history and the best wage growth in a generation.
The author (a concerned Dem) estimates that Dems need to 70% of the Hispanic vote to win and they are not getting that.
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Dem party division is rthe agenda for tomorrow. The nice phase of this contest is over.
Mini-Mike is the newcomer and he is not going to be popular with the other contestants, trying to buy his way in, and he can't talk with his announcer's voice in the debate. Mike of stop and frisk fame. 'I'll "Xerox" you a copy of what a young black male looks like and you take away their rights.' Explain THAT! He's an old-time sexual harasser (allegedly), sick of female employees getting pregnant and taking time off work. None of that will come up?
This looks like it will be a can't win battle for all participants.
How about Bernie, the frontrunner. If you are Mike or Butti or Klob, you can't just let him run away with it, but as you attack him you are moving yourself away from his supporters that you need to win back if your attack is successful. No win situation so you divide first and worry about the consequences later. A number of these people are going to be irrelevant after 'super-Tuesday if they don't make a move.
So you go with far-Left-lite, like the 'red-diaper baby'. But if far-Left is the benchmark, then Bernie is best and lighter is weaker.
If you are Mike, your only strength is to be the real Mike Bloomberg, not the pretend one from his ads. The real Mike would be a perfect candidate for the John Kasich, David French, Bill Krystal wing of the Democratic party - of which there is none. Instead he will work to be what his ads say he is, extreme on abortion - same as all the rest, strongest on ending gun rights - same as everyone else, and "get it done" whatever that means.
FYI to Mike, money didn't win in 2016.
"YOU DIDN"T BUILD THAT!" is Elizabeth Warren's line and it applies to all of them except Bloomer, but he is the one they will aim it against. Amy, Pete, Bernie, Biden, Liz, you haven't built anything, ever - and you want to run against a builder! What Mike built (8th riches man in the world?) is all about Wall Street making more money and from their point of view is a disqualifier, not an accomplishment.
Romney couldn't defend capitalism or his role in it in a Republican primary. How is Mike going to do it with a far Left audience? He can't. All he can try to do is apologize for what he achieved.
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*Going to be very interesting how Bloomie/Napoleon does in the debate.
*His poll numbers continue to rise strongly.
*Do not underestimate the mercenary instincts of the Dem political class.
*Frankly I am underwhelmed when Reps focus on Dem hypocrisy on Stop & Frisk, Redlining, etc. Trump is on the record for supporting stop & frisk, and government intervention in anti-redlining WAS an important variable in the housing bubble/collapse.
Regarding Stop & Frisk, Rudy was on FOX this morning and he made some interesting but too nuanced for public comprehension distinctions e.g. Under Rudy, the S&F were "Stop, Question, & Frisk" based upon citizen complaints-- which were overwhelmingly black and Latino generated-- and that per the requirements of the Terry stop, the stops were not random, and the searches required QUESTIONS which triggered answers that met the requirements for articulable basis for search. Rudy asserted that Bloomie blew these distinctions off and that searches went up many fold.
IMHO the better attack over time will be things such Bloomie's pro-China policies.
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Yes, my point on Stop and Frisk is that a) this will not unite his side, and b) the reckless way he talked about it should end his chances, offensive to all. And what is this apology crap; is he proud of his record or running from it?
Good point about Rudy and the distinction. My understanding was they enforced the little crimes, ticketing litterers, and that led to a drop in major crimes, even if cause and effect are not proven. Looking for people who just look young, black and male to bother is offensive to all races. White libertarians believe in a right to be left alone too, for all. In my inner city neighborhoods some people just toss whole their fast food waste out the door or window into the street. Going after some of that might lead LE to people who also do much worse.
Trump has many other things to talk about, school choice, wage growth, record unemployment, pro-life and a lot of things that benefit everyone.
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/the-most-important-campaign-document-of-2020.php
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The Best Democratic Debate in Years
Veteran candidates were on fire and at the top of their game. Can newcomer Mike Bloomberg recover?
By Peggy Noonan
Feb. 20, 2020 7:10 pm ET
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Mike Bloomberg at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Feb. 19.
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If you love national politics and follow it closely, there’s always the debate you imagine in your head and the one that later happens on the screen. Before Wednesday’s Democratic debate I made a list of the bare, bottom-line message I thought each candidate had to deliver.
Mike Bloomberg: You can stomach me.
Bernie Sanders : You can stomach socialism.
I tried to imagine how each would deliver it. For Mr. Bloomberg: I’m a businessman. I was mayor of New York. I am a liberal in every way but I’m not insane. I’ve got the resources to meet and surpass Donald Trump’s fundraising powerhouse. I’m not fancy and I’m no poet, but I can lead and I can win. You’re right I can’t buy the nomination. That’s why I’m here on the trail every day, asking for your support. His affect: up for the battle, happy to be in the fight.
For Mr. Sanders: You know there’s something wrong with the economic system and has been a long time. The inequality is wild, the injustice all around us—you can feel it, and it’s cowardice to say there’s nothing we can do about it. In his affect: I’m the last lion. You know my roar and you know something else—I have the power of the man who means it.
This is how it unfolded:
It was hands down the best presidential primary debate of the cycle and maybe in decades. It was riveting. The veterans on stage were on fire and at the top of their game.
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It is being called a very bad night for Mike Bloomberg. It was not. It was a catastrophe. The only question is whether it is recoverable. Can he turn it around in the debate next week, and after? Is it possible to recover from a night so bad?
The mystery is the surprise of it. What were the mayor and his aides and advisers, professionals of high caliber, thinking? He was on mute and seemed not to anticipate what was coming. Maybe they were thinking: Play against type, don’t be the entitled billionaire, shrug it off, let the others exhaust themselves with their tiny fisticuffs. In the end you’ll be the last grownup standing. If that was the strategy they mistook the moment. The Democratic base was meeting him, either for the first time or in a new way, and he had to engage and win them over.
They also mistook the challengers, who were angry as hell. “Who is this guy to buy a party?” Bloomberg strategists think he has to kill Bernie now, before Super Tuesday. But all the other candidates think they have to kill Mike now, before he makes a good impression. So there was going to be blood. You have to wade in, in a human way, and throw and take punches. No one’s above it all.
There’s a bigger, more important mystery.
Surely the former mayor and his men and women understood this: Through Mr. Bloomberg’s longtime targeted philanthropy, through his relationships, quiet alliances, generosities and personal loyalties, he has a lot of leaders—mayors, other local politicians, people who run museums and civic organizations, who speak for ethnic, racial and professional groups—who support him. But those leaders don’t fully control their own followers and constituencies. Everyone who’s a leader of any kind now is in crisis: They don’t have a complete hold on their people, and wind up following them as often as leading them.
The followers and constituencies—they want to be won over; they want to back you as much as the boss does, but you have to give them the rationale of a solid performance. You have to give your leaders and influential friends cover with a good performance. Mr. Bloomberg didn’t do that.
Bad news/long-shot good news: It was the worst performance in recent debate history—but if he can turn it around it will be the biggest comeback in modern primary history.
What should he do now? From our Department of Unasked-For Advice: Show candor and humility. Admit he blew it and ask for another chance. His competitors were good and he was unprepared. “I tanked and I’m asking for another look, I’ll see you next week.”
To me, Elizabeth Warren won the night. She was good, hot and sharp right out of the box. Standing next to Mr. Bloomberg she tried to freak him out by constantly shooting up her arm to speak, almost waving it in his face and getting in his psychic space. It was as if she was saying, “You nap, buddy, while I show you who’s in charge. Go play possum and see how it works with Sugar Ray.”
Ms. Warren is a bit of a mystery too—a great political athlete whose candidacy the past six months lost steam. But she is a highly disciplined performer and she has thought it through. She took off the table the issue of what the female candidate wears by wearing the same uniform each day, like a guy. She took hairdos off the table by having one and never changing it. She took her age off the table by having more energy than a 40-year-old on Adderall. I always thought she’d slip into the space between Bernie the socialist and the moderates, hold on and rise. That she’d be a lefty but a less doctrinaire one. Then she fell into banning private health insurance and suddenly was doctrinaire. And if you want doctrinaire why not pick the real thing, the socialist?
But Wednesday night she was full of fight, tricky and full of mind games. At one point she dodged a question on banning health insurance by accusing her competitors of dodging specifics on their plans. She got away with it. That’s talent! She slammed Amy Klobuchar one minute and rescued her the next. She was playing everybody. It was kind of fabulous. Someone on Twitter caught her essence: “She shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.”
Mr. Sanders was alive, forceful, Bernie-esque. He did nothing to harm himself with his followers, if that is possible, and tried hard to make himself look inevitable.
Joe Biden came alive. Mr. Bloomberg got his Irish up. Or maybe columns like this one, saying he’s over. Anyway his Hibernian was heightened and his performance was “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” We nod with respect.
Pete Buttigieg made a mistake in patronizing Ms. Klobuchar for forgetting the name of Mexico’s president. “Are you trying to say I’m dumb? Are you mocking me here, Pete?” He lectured a senator who is a generation older than he, more accomplished and a woman. It revealed a certain Eddie Haskell smarm. Later, she said to him: “You’ve memorized a bunch of talking points.” It was like Chris Christie going at Marco Rubio.
The Democratic race is better with Mike Bloomberg in it. The party’s got to have that fight about socialism and start it now, however long it takes. But he and his people had better get serious. It’s not only a money game, politics, it is a human game.
But the debate was a reminder: You never know what’s going to happen. You make your guess but you never know.
The surprise of politics—it’s a thing that can still make you feel romantic about it.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/
I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.
:-P
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She also seems to rattle pretty easily. I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate, and indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress. She let Wife Pete interrupt her repeatedly and throw her off stride. Trump would have put his palm in Wife Pete's face and told him "Quiet!"
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/amy-klobuchar-sane-centrist-democrat-party-only-hope/
I think Doug would have something to say about Amy being best
and a solid "centrist" midwesterner who wins by double digits
whose only flaw is she is tough on her staff.
:-P
I am traveling with some centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them. One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket. I think she is not centrist but right where the Pelosi-Reid party was when she was first elected in 2006, at the peak of the economy owning her share of bringing it down. She is centrist compared to Stalin, Mao and Sanders but you wouldn't think any of those would be elected to anything in the US.
I wouldn't say "she is tough on her staff". More like she is a b*tch, female version of a**hole, one of those people who treats people badly when she thinks the cameras are off, meaning her public personna is phony and that will someday show through.
I don't expect her to be of much significance through the rest of the primaries but we will see. Her 'success' so far is a reflection of the fact no one else running is catching on. She is on the short list for VPs depending on who the eventual nominee is.
She has not accomplished anything I know of before or after the federal pool drain safety law of 2007.
http://www.startribune.com/senate-oks-pool-drain-safety-bill/12515736/
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" indulges in sexism tropes even as she goes damsel in distress."
Yes, she is trying to play the gender card for all its worth, not exactly gender neutral. Yet it's not okay to say a man should be President, go figure.
"I could swear she was about to cry at one point in the debate"
Mayor Pete called her out for not knowing who the President of Mexico is and not having anything of substance to answer about US Mexico policy. I'm guessing that was the moment. She couldn't deny the charge so she said, 'Pete, are you calling me dumb?' Awkward moment for sure.
"...who wins by double digits." She is not going to win this year for President by double digits, she beat a nice schoolteacher for Senate, not Trump, and no one outside MN will vote for her just because her father wrote local stories in the monopoly star and sickle newspaper in the 1900s.
Back to my Midwestern friends who like Amy, oddly they all are sure Trump will win. That is real change from 2016 when no Democrats thought that.
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".centrist midwesterners , non-Trumpers and there is a general liking of Amy among them. One, a CEO, preferss Bloomberg, a Bloomberg-Buttigieg ticket."
I have no idea what the description "centrist " means anymore
To me a centrist Democrat is one who does not believe in overt socialism and states they believe in capitalism
though with huge regulations, transfer of wealth and PC being enforced, and many other controls over how we live
A far left candidate is AOC or Sanders or Warren who hate capitalism in all its forms.
A centrist Republican is one who is for big government like the Bushes, compromise (giving in to the LEFT). and mostly a capitalist with tax 'control',
but loves immigration for the business crowd and to at least some degree if not a large degree a globalist.
And of course a Trump hater .
To me they are all libs and call themselves 'centrist ' in name only *CINO*s.
They can label themselves Republicans but to me they are not . They are leftist who want to preserve their wealth but could give a rats ass about the average person's 'wealth'.
I can surely understand disliking Trumps antics as i do but I don't get how one can then turn around and vote for a Democrat for THAT reason.
Trump is still the ONLY ONE who stands up to the left .
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Indeed. And note the Boombug got into the race only after Forked Tongue Lizzy went on the warpath with her wealth confiscation tax.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn78mHiYvP4
Oh boy! Can you imagine how her staff got screamed at after that debacle...
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https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-bloomberg-clinton-conspiracy-shaft-bernie/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=deepsix&utm_content=2020-02-22&utm_campaign=can
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-speech-senate-south-carolina-democratic-primary-video-election-2020-a9356366.html
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second post
https://www.jns.org/democratic-presidential-candidate-klobuchar-to-skip-aipac-annual-conference/
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http://www.dickmorris.com/is-hillary-coming-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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"Morris: Don't rule out Hillary"
not until she is dead AND buried.
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The End of Elizabeth Warren?
On the menu today: The end is in sight for Elizabeth Warren’s campaign, David Brooks desperately tries to wave Democrats away from a critical error, and the mainstream media finally finds the coronavirus scary in a particular context.
The End of Elizabeth Warren’s Campaign Is Near
Is it too harsh to say that this has become Elizabeth Warren’s campaign trail . . . of tears? Polling suggests she’s on the verge of pulling a Marco Rubio — losing her home state to the frontrunner:
The poll shows Sanders is the choice of 25 percent of likely Democratic-primary voters, while Warren is in second place with 17 percent. The former mayors, Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg, are in a virtual tie for third at 14 percent and 13 percent, respectively. Former vice president Joe Biden rounds out the top five at 9 percent.
The Sanders campaign must be drooling at the prospect of that outcome — 91 delegates and Sanders would get the vast majority, with Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Biden below the 15 percent threshold to win delegates. (Some will be allocated by who wins each congressional district, so the under-15 candidates could get one here and there.)
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https://nationalinterest.org/feature/election-mirage-why-claims-russian-meddling-should-be-questioned-127992
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Biden 48.4%
Sanders 19.9%
Steyer, 3rd place, dropped out.
Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar in single digits. No delegates. Bloomberg at 0.
Where is the write-in demand for Bloomberg? Without advertising, do entire states not know he is running?
I give credit to Biden for beating the margin of the polling and credit to Democrats that turnout was better than expected. Bernie still won the younger vote. Biden won the black vote.
Super Tuesday is in 2 days:
Who wins and who drops out on Tuesday? Looks like Bernie will win. Warren, Butti, and Klob are mostly irrelevant, and maybe Bloomberg too if he can't win big states. We will see. Dropping out comes down to money or not seeing a path. Warren is a fighter, but if she has no delegates, what is the point? Klobuchar does not have a serious national organisation or appeal. She may win her home state MN only. That puts her on a VP short list for somebody, best case. She should focus on that. Butti has money but if he under-performs (again) Tuesday, he is fighting for 3rd or 4th place? Bloomberg will drop out if Super Tuesday flops for him. That was the bet he made. Tougher decision for him if he wins one or two states. Biden will stay in if he wins Texas in hope of winning the south after that.
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Latest national polling, Fox and Morning Consult:
Sanders 31, Biden 18, Bloomberg 16, Warren 10, Buttigieg 12, Klobuchar 5
Sanders 33, Biden 21, Bloomberg 17, Warren 11, Buttigieg 10, Klobuchar 4
15% in a state needed to win any delegates.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=v7OXE2AEalg&feature=emb_logo
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FWIW my assessment:
Big win for Slo Joe and it may dent Sandernista's Big Mo, but ultimately it is not clear to me that Slo Joe has the ground game for Tuesday. His senility will continue and this moment in the sun for him will serve mostly to increase the likelihood of a brokered convention.
The big question is how Boombug does on Tuesday, and his three minute "Oval Office" address released today may be pivotal. We've been having big fun with how Forked Tongue Lizzy scalped him, but today's clip seeks to brand him as "I may not be a debater, but I'm a proven doer"-- and he DOES have a real track record of executive skill both in the public and private sectors.
As SJ's dementia proceeds, some of the pros and the whores (same thing?) of the Dem Party may decide he is all they got. After all, he pays really well.
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A lot will change after tomorrow. Polls have been partly right on trends but very wrong on numbers.
Here are summaries of the contests in the 14 states:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485388-democratic-candidates-gear-up-for-a-dramatic-super-tuesday
Sanders leads in most, could win them all. Amy could win home state MN. Warren could win home state Mass. Let's hope they both do. Biden could win a couple of southern states. DC suburb Virginia is up for grabs, maybe Mike's big chance. Also Colorado where he should just pay the voters directly, he is spending so much.
I hope to see Mike's money fail. One small gaffe lately, commenting on his contribution to the Democratic House victory in 2018 he said, 'I bought those 40 seats'. What? I think a lot of Democrats would like to see Bloomberg's money fail too.
If they are able to count the votes, Tues night and Wed morning we will know a lot more. I am pulling for a Sanders lead and a divided field. Klob will drop out. Warren should and either Bloomberg or Biden, whoever does worse.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-plan_n_5e5cb3c2c5b6010221136780
forced paid leave of course
everything for "free"
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-coronavirus-plan_n_5e5cb3c2c5b6010221136780
forced paid leave of course
everything for "free"
Yes. "I have a plan for that." Protect the economy by stopping it. It's all noise in the room but she did get a story and a headline on the eve of her final downfall.
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Klobuchar is out. Sensible call!
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Klobuchar is out. Sensible call!
Isn't that strange. Now she's competing with Pete for a VP spot? She was slower by a few hours to drop out but quicker to endorse Biden. Will Butti endorse Boombug? Warren endorse Bernie?? Who wants that Bernie VP spot anyway? AOC is ineligible and Gus Hall is dead.
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Bloomberg will drop out at the end of the day, IF Biden shows a resurgence, if Bernie wins big, or if Bloomberg cannot see a path to his own victory for any other reason, which is VERY likely to be the case in my not very reliable prediction.
If so, Bernie and Biden remain and Trump wins.
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Pundits ponder what was said to Butti and Klob to get them drop out and endorse Biden so suddenly. My question is, who made that call. Who has that kind of control behind the scenes. Answer must be Obama. But still, who makes that call with the credibility that he/she speaks for the former President and all the power behind the future careers of these young contestants?
The argument to these second tier candidates is simple. You won't be VP (or President ever) if Bernie wins and you won't be Biden's VP if you don't drop out now and endorse him. You won't be Biden's Secretary of ANYTHING if Biden loses. Butti needs a cabinet position or he is out of power. Klob is a party person, a follower not a leader. They both avoided the humiliation of seeing more dismal results, being blamed for the split and publicly pressured to drop out.
Too bad Republicans never have a person who could make a call and clear the field of people who can't win.
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I voted. Very strange to go in and vote for one unopposed candidate and nothing else. There were no other categories, not congress, state rep, not soil and water, nothing else. The rest, I found out, are chosen in a separate primary in august. MN didn't use to have a Presidential primary; now they want to be part of Super Tuesday and get the control away from the caucuses and activists. With Klobuchar out, Sanders wins MN? Results tonight? Recount controversy coming?
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/03/carville-there-will-be-calls-for-sanders-to-exit-clyburn-saved-the-democratic-party/
All he did was save the wealthy Dems./the insiders/elites.
If Biden wins we still get the revolution - just packaged up as "democracy" and "centrist"
though for the rest of us mostly the same old Leftist stuff.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
I think this polling is defective but it certainly is strong reason to not ever be over-confidant between now and November.
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Dem Identity Politics:
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In 2016, Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of $1.2 billion. Trump won the presidency despite having raised less than any major party presidential nominee since John McCain.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
Now, Steyer and Bloomberg the candidate have failed despite spending unprecedented amounts.
Pete Buttigieg also set the race on fire with crazy levels of fundraising.
Bernie has the most donors and the most on the ground enthusiasts, yet he couldn't move the needle an inch in any state above the percentage we saw earlier.
GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS - by letting these fools spend it until they are out.
None of that changed the underlying math.
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One more thought on Super Thursday, as winner Biden called it:
I was about to write just a couple days ago how stupid it was for Democrats to make the assumption in impeachment that Biden would be Trump's upcoming opponent.
"Thanks Chuck, uh Chris, I just did Chris, I mean Chuck, I don't know how you do this so early"
“We hold these truths to be self-evident,” "All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”
What a difference a couple of days makes. Biden's weaknesses haven't changed. The party just decided they aren't going full Bernie or Bloombucks.
The divided convention idea ended when Klob (dropped out) didn't win MN, Warren didn't win Mass and Bernie didn't win Texas.
Biden even closed part of the gap in Calif. Only weak spot I saw was Colorado. Does Biden's weakness there mean anything in the general election? Probably not.
So Democrats just put all their marbles on a guy who can't form a sentence much less speak in paragraphs.
Bring back the Lincoln Douglas debates. Let's get the long form of what Joe Biden sees as the future for this country.
One more frontrunner observation, former Obama Defense Secretary Robert Gates:
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/13/gates_stands_by_statement_that_biden_has_been_wrong_on_nearly_every_major_foreign_policy_question.html
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https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-drops-out-027d9882-3e65-4663-aec0-70025387def6.html
Who will get his delegate won in American Somoa?
Who is next to drop out? Did Warren over-sleep this morning?
Lessons from the pundits this morning: With Warren's 3rd place finish in he home state of Mass, maybe Harvard professors don't fully have their finger on the pulse of the American people. Also odd is that the elite intellectual Harvard professor was perhaps the 5th smartest person running in a dull field.
Tulsi is our last, best hope to save the Democrat Party. I think she also won a delegate in American Somoa. Okay, I don't know where that is.
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He needs to pick a black woman, right? Biden is indebted to someone pulling strings behind the scenes. Obviously it was the Obama machine. Now they can name their prize. Who gets less scrutiny than a VP candidate. She would have a mostly free ride back the White House if Joe wins - if she wants that.
All they need to do is say she is ready to govern every bit as well as Joe if something should happen to him - like senility on the first day. She would be hardest for Trump to attack because people like her personally. This already is a campaign of the current administration versus the previous. They want to defend their record. This would bring Barack back onto the stage - if he wants that.
Or the Obamas turn down the offer because it ties them to a loser and leaves their legacy fully removed and defeated.
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K. Harris , S Abrams, or S. Rice
if he wants a black women
less likely M . Obama (only because she does not want to serve is less likely)
and or Oprah Winfrey
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https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-biden-confuses-sister-for-wife/
Seems to happen a lot with the Biden family.
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Well, Ilhan Omar married her brother , , , :evil:
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https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-biden-confuses-sister-for-wife/
Seems to happen a lot with the Biden family.
Too funny, if not so true. Hunter slept with, then cheated on his dead brother's widow. How does Thanksgiving go with this family. Old Slow Joe can't count his grandchildren. The new one out of wedlock doesn't count, didn't get the invite? Tell that to the 72% of blacks born out of wedlock. He doesn't know how many genders there are, trick gotcha question. You can't make this stuff up. Thanks Chuck, I mean Chris, Super Thursday was a great day, whenever it was. You can't go into a dunkin' donuts without an Indian accent.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man." - This was before dimentia?! The mainstream blacks who came before Obama were dirty and ugly. He worked with Carol Moseley Braun, previous Senator from Illinois. She smelled, talked in jive?? I didn't know that.
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Well the Democrat Party process has been a sight to behold.
So many jumped in partly because Joe Biden sucks.
Then when it became apparent the others sucked to
and Bernie Trotsky appeared to be ready to come out ahead by default the whole process was rigged to biden back -
to where they all started
Now they will elevate him to sainthood status , all his dumb ass remarks will continue to written off as "good" ole plain Joe"
and we will be hearing about his compromise nature and working with the other side and that he is a centrist.
When that is the best one side can do that is what they do.
We accept Trump and over for him despite his personal issues........
The Dem establishment wins again .
They have a stranglehold on the minorities that is for sure.
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THE BIG QUESTION: Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?
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https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/joe-biden-says-hed-want-michelle-obama-to-be-his-running-mate/
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well he has been saying that from day one
he would like her
that way the ONE will be back in business behind the scenes
telling slo joe what to do
in order to get the nation back on a socialist liberal Democrat Party agenda.
My guess from what I have seen of her she would rather live the life of a 1%. the wife of a saint. (don't blame her )
then go thru the mill
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THE BIG QUESTION: Assuming he wins the nomination, who will be his veep pick?
Yes, BIG. Mark Steyn did a nice job of framing this question on the Rush show today. The people who were all talking about 25th amendment on Trump a minute ago are now supporting Joe Biden for President. Biden is clearly in worse shape than Trump and has already hinted about serving only one term if elected. If the VP takes the Presidency past the midpoint in a term (he said), that person is still eligible for two more terms, 10 years as President. The person that the party wants to follow Biden, if elected, needs to be the VP pick. Democrats are hoping to set a 12 year course with this pick.
That rules out the other octogenarians.
The easiest choices come from the vetting process of this Presidential race, but did anyone pass vetting? Kamala Harris is the black woman in the bunch. I would argue she failed the vetting on both background and skill. Cory Booker is male, a negative, but darker in skin than Harris, can I say that? He is sharper than Kamala but I think he lacked in likability. Elizabeth Warren failed the Cherokee test and under-performed in every test except attacking Bloomberg. Warren is a good age to be President now but maybe not on the 12 year plan.
Amy and Buttigieg have enough youth to do it; Klob is late 50s and Butti barely eligible. I see neither as the charismatic leader of the future. Amy could be a possible VP pick for this year but doesn't bring the excitement of say, Ford, Dole, Mondale of Gore. She has the gender, not the color. She could (almost) be their do no harm candidate, although she was chased off the stage at her final rally by 'black lives matter' protesters. Oops. I wouldn't be surprised if Pete is given his choice of cabinet positions for dropping and endorsing the right candidate at the right time, maybe Secretary of State. Picking him for VP gives them two white males on a ticket that needs to win a massive majority with so-called minorities. Being gay doesn't change or help that IMO.
Weak field for President means a weak field for VP ready to become President. From ccp's list: "K. Harris , S Abrams, or S. Rice". We covered Harris and the next two have never won anything. Both have high risks with known negatives.
Fun trying but I don't think Biden's pick is predictable. Who would have guessed Tim Kaine and Mike Pence? (I needed spell check to type Tim Kaine; how quickly they are forgotten when they lose.)
If the Obamas tell Biden it's going to be Michelle, then it's Michelle. But looking at the 12 year aspect of it, that's 12 years of political intensity at a level where she's only done 12 minutes at a time up until now - with 2 or 3 convention speeches. Is she driven to live and breathe politics, responsibility, governance, competing advisers, scandal and living in public scrutiny (with half the nation hating you) through her prime, kids out of the nest years, roughly 57 to almost age 70 ... versus the easy life of the rich and famous she is living right now. She would be able to relax and retire at age almost 70 in the way Barack did at 55. If she is that driven with that kind of discipline, there has been no sign of it so far.
The other problem with Michelle hitching her wagon to Biden is that Joe Biden has LOSER written all over him.
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yes
not clear who he will pick
butty and klobacher will get something in his administration
for their rapid support.
Cory could replace Carson if the Dem establishment (not Biden per se) wins
most of the Bama people will be brought back somewhere in the administration
has Hillary supported Biden yet or is she holding out waiting for the bribes payoffs. etc
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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0320/kass030620.php3
Is he going to let Biden off the hook the way he did Hillary? For all the bluster, Bernie is not a fighter?
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The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq.
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Jim Clyburn Saves the Democrats
He didn’t just endorse Biden when his campaign was in trouble. He showed him how to revive it.
By Peggy Noonan
March 5, 2020 7:11 pm ET
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Joe Biden embraces Rep. James Clyburn in North Charleston, S.C., Feb. 26.
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No one has seen anything like it. It will live in our political lore. There’ll be some bright 32-year-old kid running a campaign in 2056 and his guy will be down three in a row and the elders will take him to the Marriott bar and tell him, “Ya gotta get out, handwriting’s on the wall,” and he’ll nod, slump-shouldered. Then he’ll get this steely look, this young-wild-James-Carville look, and he’ll say, “Joe Biden was over in ’20. Nothing is written.”
There were many elements to what happened. Democrats love to say they’re not members of any organized political party, they’re Democrats; they love to say Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. That’s their self conception and their story line and it’s mostly malarkey, as someone would say. You don’t get these staggered endorsements and coordinated statements without organization, power centers and money lines.
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But this is about the human part, the historic part, the speech Rep. Jim Clyburn gave that saved Mr. Biden. It was Wednesday morning. Feb. 26, in the College Center at Trident Technical College on Rivers Avenue in North Charleston, S.C. Mr. Clyburn, the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, spoke without text or notes, just a man at a mic with a blank wall behind him.
He spoke of his late wife, Emily. They met as students at South Carolina State after both were arrested at a civil-rights demonstration. “I met her in jail on that day.” Their marriage lasted 58 years. “I remember her telling about her experiences, walking 2½ miles to school every morning, 2½ back home every afternoon.” She lived on a small farm. “She learned how to drive in a pickup truck. She came to South Carolina State in that pickup truck, with her luggage on the bed.”
Her father walked town to town in the off season, 15 miles a day, to cut pulp wood. “We talked about what our parents sacrificed for us and what we owed to our children and all other children similarly situated.” They often talked about American leaders. “There’s nobody who Emily loved as a leader of this country more than she loved Joe Biden, and we talked about Joe all the time.”
He’d wrestled with whether to make a public endorsement. Then a friend died. He arrived early to the funeral and walked around talking to people he hadn’t seen in a while. “There was an elderly lady in her upper 80s sitting on the front pew of the church, just a few seats away from the coffin. And she looked at me and she beckoned to me. Didn’t say a word, just beckoned.” He joined her. “She said, ‘Lean down, I need to ask you a question.’ And I leaned down. She said, ‘You don’t have to say it out loud, but you just whisper into my ear. Who are you gonna vote for next Saturday? I been waiting to hear from you. I need to hear from you. This community wants to hear from you.’ I decided then and there that I would not stay silent.”
He quoted Martin Luther King Jr., who wrote that “he was coming to the conclusion that the people of ill will in our society was making a much better use of time than the people of good will, and he feared that he would [have] regret—not just for the vitriolic words and deeds of bad people but for the appalling silence from good people.”
He said, “South Carolina should be voting for Joe Biden, and here’s why.” Because the purpose of politics isn’t lofty and abstract but simpler, plainer: “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”
They got to know each other “doing TV stuff together,” he said. “I know Joe. . . . But most importantly, Joe knows us.” They used to talk a lot about Brown v. Board of Education, which consolidated five lawsuits against school segregation. One was from Joe’s Delaware. They went over it a lot. “That’s how well I know this man. I know his heart. I know who he is. I know what he is.”
Mr. Clyburn said that during his day in jail, “I was never fearful of the future. As I stand before you today I am fearful of the future of this country. I’m fearful for my daughters.” We have to “restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.” And there is “no one better suited, better prepared,” for the fight “than my good friend, my late wife’s great friend, Joe Biden.”
It was beautiful.
He wasn’t just giving Mr. Biden an endorsement, he was giving him a template: This is what to talk about, this is your subject matter.
It was a speech about the price you’ll pay to stand where you stand. In outlining his life he was saying: I didn’t talk the talk; I walked the walk, and on that basis I claim something called authority.
But what would the impact be? America is in a crisis not only of leadership but of followership. Leaders in all areas—business, the church, politics, other institutions—don’t know if they have the clout anymore to guide and advise their constituencies, they don’t know if they have the heft, the sway. Surely Mr. Clyburn wondered too.
And what followed was astounding, a throwback. What needed saying had been said, and spread. Three days later South Carolina didn’t endorse Joe Biden, it gave him a wave that wouldn’t break, that swept across the South and beyond.
After Super Tuesday, some progressives on social media clearly resented the black vote and the Biden wave. I detected in a few of them a whiff of “Who are these old Southern black ladies to be calling the shots?” It took me aback.
You couldn’t carry their sandals, sonnyboys.
A shooter came to Charleston a few years ago and they were in the Bible study. He kills, and they go to the bail hearing and, in the great incandescent moment of the last decade, say “I forgive you.”
They make everything happen; they’re the ones who’ve long made the prudential judgments on which way the party will go.
For half a century it has been telling them, “We feel your pain, we’re going to save you.” On Tuesday, after coolly surveying the facts and the field, they said to the Democratic Party, “Honey, you’re confused. We see your pain and we’re gonna save you.”
And they did. It was something—a turning of the tables, a doing what others up North and out West couldn’t quite do, and that was saying, “We are not socialists, we’re Democrats.”
The party should thank its lucky stars. It should kiss those ladies’ hands.
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".The thing with Michelle is that every one would know that she would simply be the front for Baraq."
yes
I wonder if Biden himself is the front for Baraq? :wink:
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And Michele would be how it would be done.
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With all due respect, another view...
Clyburn: “Making the greatness of this country accessible and affordable for all. We don’t need to make this country great again—this country is great, that’s not what our challenge is.” The challenge is making greatness available to everybody. Are people able to get education, health care, housing? “Nobody with whom I’ve ever worked in public life is any more committed” to that goal “than Joe Biden.”
- Joe Biden has worked to make education, healthcare and housing worse by every conceivable measure. Blacks are leaving the Democratic party for Trump, not for Bernie.
“restore this country’s dignity, this country’s respect—that is what is at stake this year.” - Noonan quotes Clyburn without noting this is the man who brought down Bork and conducted the "high tech lynching" of Clarence Thomas that made the public airing of unsubstantiated accusations the norm in confirmation hearings.
"It was beautiful", Noonan writes about Clyburn's words. For another opinion, I say bullsh*t.
She is a great writer and this was a huge political turnaround; Clyburn was the key, but only Trump derangement syndrome can make a writer comfortable leaving the reader with the idea Joe Biden will restore dignity, care about people, make greatness affordable to blacks or anyone else. Does anyone remember worst recovery in history, cash for clunkers, solyndra, no growth is the new normal, ANTI-SCHOOL CHOICE in the very worst districts because he is beholden to the teachers unions. Good grief. Don't get me started on abortion hitting black babies at 5 times the rate of whites. Beautiful.
Biden's actions, his career, his policies did nothing but turn us away from economic and racial progress IMHO. Suddenly, with a 180 degree about face with Obama-Biden out, black unemployment is at historic lows, wages are up and drug prices are coming down and the Education Secretary's top priority is school choice
Beautiful words about utter BS. If Clyburn or Biden could link policies to results, the speech would have gone much differently. The ballot choices last Saturday in South Carolina weren't all Democrat.
Just my two cents.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-biden-doesnt-want-lower-income-families-to-have-school-choice-like-he-and-hunter-biden-did
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/biden-flips-unionized-tax-funded-teachers-now-says-hed-abolish-charter-schools
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"It was beautiful", Noonan writes about Clyburn's words. For another opinion, I say bullsh*t. I agree
Noonan is so full of shit
she can take a hike.
To call major Democrat Party scoundrel Biden a "uniter " a " healer "
is just as ridiculous as calling Obama a uniter etc.
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"[Republicans] are going to put y'all back in CHAINS!" - Civility, dignity, respect? That was Biden's warning about Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, not Trump. It's just the opposite. He can't debate policies or results, so he incites and inflames.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-put-yall-back-in-chains/ Snopes Rating: TRUE
For another South Carolina viewpoint, see Tim Scott, a black who wins statewide: https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/powerful-sc-lawmakers-jim-clyburn-and-tim-scott-feud-over/article_42432520-062f-11ea-a582-4fc1f2bd894f.html
Biden carried the Democratic South Carolina primary, but NO ONE expects him to beat Trump there in the general election [or in any state in the South].
https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2016/05/10/sen-tim-scott-tea-party-star-on-whether-he-can-support-trump-oh-yeah/
Tim Scott on making economic greatness available to more regions and more Americans:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/28/tim-scott-gop-taxes-opportunity-zones-990788
I wonder which takes more courage, being a Democrat who supported the status quo the last half century or being a black Republican not afraid of taking a different view on opportunity and economic growth.
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"A Morning Consult poll taken this week found that among Warren supporters, 36 percent back Biden while 28 percent support Sanders as their second choice. If Warren were to endorse Biden, he'd add four points to that total, while Sanders would add five points if he gained her endorsement."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/analysis-warren-faces-endorsement-dilemma/ar-BB10OfR0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ytSI4PFm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWjdvddb-4
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Best Headline:
https://babylonbee.com/news/warren-returns-to-tribe-in-shame-after-failing-to-retake-land-from-the-white-man
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ytSI4PFm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvWjdvddb-4
"Joe Biden spent his whole life trying to succeed in Presidential politics and now he has. Too bad he isn't here to enjoy it."
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Early voting turned against all the real candidates of color, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris. We were down to just white people and voters turned against all the women candidates remaining. Then primary voters turned against the gay candidate after he had some early, northern state success. Most recently on Super Tuesday, the voters turned to Joe Biden by default because they didn't like his last two challengers who were Jewish, Sanders and Bloomberg.
None of this is pointed out because this apparent racism, sexism, homophobia and anti-semitism all happened
on the Democratic side of the aisle.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-might-he-pick-michelle-obama-as-his-vice-president/?taid=5e65ab0070eb8b0001d6b1ef&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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This Democratic contest did not go as I expected. Assuming Biden beats Sanders today, Biden basically has it wrapped up.
We had Beto and Kamala and Butti and Hickenlooper and so on, was it 26 contestants? I presumed that one of them would rise to the task, even if it was Biden, but no one did. Biden won by default, a result of no one rising to project competency in a future Presidency.
Now what? Time limits me from listing Biden's faults and political weaknesses here, but which of these should Trump run against?
My guess is Trump he will paint Biden as a boob, the incompetent kind, not the pretty kind.
My preference though is that he mostly run a traditional campaign that ties Trump policies to American successes and draws the distinction that all Democrat policies take us in the exact opposite direction. We are only trying to win the Presidency. We need to win the agenda.
Trump should [mostly] ignore the fact that Biden is a boob and run against the ideology. Make the case of governance for the ages. Convert voters and leave a lasting legacy. Make the incoherence and personal incompetence of his opponent Joe Biden be a mere footnote to the story of 2020. Let it be the year the Republicans held the White House, took the House, held the Senate, and won the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future. Elections have consequences and campaigns matter. We're not looking for "coattails; we're looking to grow a full root structure.
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Reagan's campaign in '84 gave him a huge victory, but lacking substance the victory tended towards being hollow in its power.
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".Trump should [mostly] ignore the fact that Biden is a boob and run against the ideology."
Well maybe he could ask Biden some mental status questions during a debate
like we do in the office with memory impaired patients screening for dementia
of course I don't know what the outcome would be ......
I would like to see him take the DEm climate change monopoly away from them by proposing the agenda posted on the "climate" and "way forward for the Republican party" threads.
may offer DACA (not happy about it) but probably realistic in view of sending all the families home is just too politically near impossible with the bleeding heart liberal media .. But only in exchange for STRICT enforcement of immigration elsewhere and to stop this ridiculous chain migration
and even the birthright for non citizens or naturalized individuals
Continue to make the case for conservative health care solutions
vs free this and. free that
as for going after Joe as a senile silver head
we know Trump will do that for sure . he already is.
He could never control himself . He is like an opiod addict in that regard
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https://mailchi.mp/meforum.org/1rt0agmhwe?e=9627475d7f
edited to add:
Haven't watched it yet but it seems promising:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4d5mtvtKiac&feature=emb_logo
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Reagan's campaign in '84 gave him a huge victory, but lacking substance the victory tended towards being hollow in its power.
Yes, and he did not win the House with his 49 state victory.
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It took Newt's Contract with America to do that.
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Obviously
Mario's kid
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/joe-hildebrand-why-the-death-of-the-democratic-middle-will-deliver-trumps-win/news-story/e2ea2822a151e5406c01db39e4df9412
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/after-four-years-of-pro-israel-trump-american-jews-still-with-the-democrats/
These numbers will not change.
To this group Republicans are Nazis
The Dem Party means everything to them.
They will give all these philosophical reasons why , they all think they are being menches - it is all BS
(only way to change them might be to increase their taxes a LOT more; they don't think Bernie would come after them ? Wrong )
CD is a rarity - coming form a Democrat family and becoming a conservative (or libertarian)
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488181-sanders-will-assess-his-campaign-after-coronavirus-response
He succeeded in pulling Biden to the Left as he did with Hillary, but with yesterday's losses he can no longer pretend to be competitive.
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So many candidates seemed more attractive to the voters than former VP Joe Biden.
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2647.msg118156#msg118156
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"So many candidates seemed more attractive to the voters than former VP Joe Biden"
It really is amazing
Joe who was the front runner, the next in line establishment guy was a total bomb (just like he was the other 3 times he ran for Prez)
so we get dozens of others running .
All of them being held up by adoring media one by one ; the clown from texas (forgot his name already) , Hillary , Booker, Harris, Warren Sanders, the billionaires Bloomberg, Steyner, the Starbucks ex CEO , wife butti
to Klobacher etc
After they all proved to suck
the establishment Dem crowd panics and then rushes back to the original senile looser and holds him up on their shoulders with teleprompters and
very short staged appearances with the likes of Jake Tapper cutting him off to help redirect him when he forgets what he was actually talking about in debates
They repackage this lifelong government employee who has always been a nasty partisan as someone who can bring us all together; the
" postman's son from Scranton PA" who is for the regular working guy... yadda yadda
The whole process is a big joke actually - but on us.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/america-approves-3-polls-give-trumps-virus-job-a-thumbs-up
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488597-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus-poll
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but as biden continues to make total incompetent fool out of himself
this is getting more and more likely every day:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/24/andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-brokered-convention-democratic-nominee/
And with such an adoring news media who he is taking total advantage of.......
If only Trump could control his ego
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/could-a-draft-cuomo-movement-be-in-the-democrats-future/
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mario's kid
think Chris will give him the same coverage as he does Trump?
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did anyone see Biden town hall on CNN last night
even the silver one (no Biden) but Anderson Cooper looked like he could not believe what he was seeing
I find in very hard to believe they will let this guy be the nominee...........
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URL?
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https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/voter-opinion-emergency-pelosi/2020/03/28/id/960332/
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dnc-postpones-presidential-convention-to-august-over-coronavirus-fears/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=19909962
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onEk7VhcO_Y&feature=youtu.be
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I have not seen a vote total from Wisconsin but the result is Sanders out, Biden in.
Trump taunts Obama for not endorsing him yet. I think he wants to flush that out now and remove all the drama planned for later, also remove the leverage Obama holds. Trumpwants to run against the Obama administration. Who will be better to lead us out of this?
Veep stakes. Who will it be? Who will decide? When to announce?
Needs to be pre-vetted, ready to take over on day one. Might just take over on day one.
Has to be a woman - or it's a big, broken promise.
By Dem thinking, she ought to be a black woman or other nice color. For unification, she ought to come from the radical wing of the party. Oops, that's what they just rejected. 15% of Bernie voters already projected to vote for Trump
Weak bench. Val Demmings, first term congressperson, Stacy abrams, unsuccessful governor candidate, never elected to state-wide office.
Kamala. She checks the boxes, almost, except her stock only went down when she ran for President. She could help him win California?? Does being a pretend prosecutor with a record of failure count as executive experience? Does not winning a single delegate count as vetted? Ironically, wasn't it the 'black' side of Kamala's family who were slave owners?
They don't get much whiter than Minnesota Amy. She was elected to statewide office in a very blue state. She already proved that has no value in Iowa, so why would it mean anything in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania? Again, does a failed record as a pretend prosecutor count as 'executive experience'?
If they just picked on merit and competence, who would it be? Still a shallow bench.
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I still think if Andy gets a sex change
viola
he qualifies
AOC for VP?
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I still think if Andy gets a sex change
viola
he qualifies
AOC for VP?
Biden/AOC 2020 the diminished capacity ticket!
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Occasional Cortex is too young to be Constitutionally eligible to be president.
Could Buttgig be considered a woman?
But wait, there's hope!
https://www.mediaite.com/news/anti-trump-gop-organization-endorses-joe-biden-after-sanders-drops-out/
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He's already been working the phones and sooner or later His Glibness will endorse Sloe Joe.
The collective orgasm of the Prog-sphere, amplified by the Pravdas will be something to behold.
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could they be holding back the One to make his announcement in grand royal fashion till the DNC in mid August?
like they did with Clinton
Have him walk out triumphantly , the titan of the Crat clan, walking out alone through a corridor onto the stage , like a WWW star.
To stand on the podium , chin slightly tilted up and to the side , shoulders back, to humongous cheers , and laughter and gaiety and wine in the CNN booth . Wolf Blitzer with a shit eating grin on his face and Chris Matthews at home with an erection.
Oh the glory , the glamour , the thirteenth apostle of our age.........
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Yes. They are either holding back The One because they want to switch Joe out, or holding it back for all the drama at just the right time, and Trump is shaking that out now. Get all the opponents' cards on the table now.
I assume The One, meaning his team, want complete control of the campaign, the dvisers, the agenda and the VP pick in exchange for his only leverage, his endorsement.
For his own health and well being, Biden should pick someone for VP that everyone really fears being President. That's what Obama did.
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https://washingtontimes-dc.newsmemory.com/?token=46dc15fc0f4c12ba46667c83f3fcd6a1_5e908b40_5c797e5&selDate=20200410&goTo=A03&artid=1&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=washingtontimes-E-Editions&utm_source=washingtontimes&utm_content=Read-Button
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well
hasn't Biden been the one that was alway ahead in the polls against Trump?
and the msm is doing their damnedest to keep it that way
every single minute of every single day
why little dementia interfere with *saving of Democracy*?
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here we go Crafty
here is usa today
with their hit piece posted on Drudge:
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/09/instead-prepping-coronavirus-trump-partied-golfed-held-fundraisers/2941076001/
the fact the present estimates of deaths are so far below what they were makes no difference.
Trump gets not only zero credit - we are still barraged with it would be less if only he did more etc etc.
The leftist mob has to push this theme endlessly till Nov.
But Biden is so gone I don't know how they are going to cover it up.
It has got to be Cuomo.
There is no female who can hold him up is there?
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https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/video-ag-barr-says-china-in-full-court-blitzkrieg-to-undermine-us-elections-and-institutions/?utm_source=smartnews
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https://washingtontimes-dc.newsmemory.com/?token=46dc15fc0f4c12ba46667c83f3fcd6a1_5e908b40_5c797e5&selDate=20200410&goTo=A03&artid=1&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=washingtontimes-E-Editions&utm_source=washingtontimes&utm_content=Read-Button
"A poll shows former Vice President Joseph R. Biden holding a 48%-44% lead over President Trump ahead of the general election. The survey said that GOP enthusiasm for voting has fallen off this year and half of the voters have an unfavorable view of Mr. Trump."
a. Isn't that about what Hillary won by?
b. Polling all adults or registered voters, not likely voters.
c. Heavy sampling Calif / IL / NY. when only 5-10 states will matter.
d. It's before kickoff, not final score.
e. This is before people other than poiticos have looked at Biden or had his faults pointed out.
f. People who disapprove of Trump are among his biggest constituencies.
g. It's not like Biden has no weaknesses to go after in the coming months.
h. Dukakis led Bush by 17%.
https://www.thewrap.com/trump-clinton-polls-mike-dukakis-led-george-bush-by-17-points/
i. Arthur Ashe had no chance of beating world No. 1 Jimmy Connors, Wimbledon, 1975:
https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2018/10/05/arthur-ashe-raymond-arsenault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1562&v=pgQhyiaAMeY&feature=emb_logo
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/dump-biden-majority-of-democrats-want-cuomo-to-be-their-nominee-for-president/
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Interesting and scary scenario of His Glibness throws in with Cuomo , , ,
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gov-andrew-cuomo-make-america-great-great/story?id=57202455
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gov-andrew-cuomo-make-america-great-great/story?id=57202455
That should sink any chance he had. Gov Cuomo will not be the next President, or the nominee, IMHO. His polling is a sign of Biden weakness. Cuomo-talk or others is the reason Trump would like to flush out Obama's endorsement of Biden, now.
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/12/fauci-obviously-if-trump-had-listened-to-our-recommendations-we-could-have-saved-lives/
Not sure what Fauci is saying
so every time an outbreak of anything occurs anywhere in the world we should shut everything down ?
Would Biden or Hillary have done that ? :roll:
would Jake snake have done that ?
how about narcisstic Chris cuomo. or the other one Andy?
don't buy it.
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/12/fauci-obviously-if-trump-had-listened-to-our-recommendations-we-could-have-saved-lives/
Not sure what Fauci is saying
so every time an outbreak of anything occurs anywhere in the world we should shut everything down ?
Would Biden or Hillary have done that ? :roll:
would Jake snake have done that ?
how about narcisstic Chris cuomo. or the other one Andy?
don't buy it.
Earlier disclosure from China, and with that, earlier attention from everyone in the US, instead of on impeachment, would have allowed these steps we took now to be taken back then. You couldn't put people in lockdown when they haven't even heard of the threat.
On another link, first cases in Calif came from China in December. It was coming no matter what, just not in the numbers and locations that it did.
It looks like more than
China refused to share the virus code with US and other scientists. Lied about numbers and lied about human to human transfer. WHO just took it all the deceit in, thanked them for being transparent and helpful.
Yes, we should have been all over this MONTHS earlier.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-approval-among-black-voters-near-20-poll
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-approval-among-black-voters-near-20-poll
Obama black vote 2008: 95-4
Obama black vote 2012: 93-6
Hillary black vote 2016: 88-8
This poll, Biden Trump: 66-10 with 10% more approving of Trump
Poll indicates this could end up: 80-20 or closer
That is a HUGE deterioration of support for Democrats over an extended period. And these numbers completely miss the black enthusiasm lost since 2008, even lost by Obama in 2012.
Even more important is what you might call critical mass, or 'Blexit'. At some point the hold is gone, no shame, no stigma for voting against the group and people are free to vote for whomever they like; the identity group difference slips away. 'African-Americans' can vote like non-hyphenated Americans, free to make up their own minds. The truly free thinkers can choose to be conservative Republican, like T. Sowell, Walter Williams, Candace Owens, Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Tim Scott, Jason Riley, Kanye West and more.
It's not all back and white anymore.
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I am not clear what we could have done earlier
we did not understand symptoms to look out for
we did not have trillions of tests ready
and a billion masks and million more ventilators
we have hundreds of thousands of people per day coming and going to the USA
from everywhere one can think of
We had 5 mill. leave Wuhan with supposedly no cases outside the city
though many cases popping up in Europe and here etc.
So the new dynamic is that everytime a new illness pops up - we should close the borders , do the social distancing and be on the lookout to screen 330 million people with ready tests over a week.
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I am not clear what we could have done earlier
we did not understand symptoms to look out for
we did not have trillions of tests ready
and a billion masks and million more ventilators
we have hundreds of thousands of people per day coming and going to the USA
from everywhere one can think of
We had 5 mill. leave Wuhan with supposedly no cases outside the city
though many cases popping up in Europe and here etc.
So the new dynamic is that everytime a new illness pops up - we should close the borders , do the social distancing and be on the lookout to screen 330 million people with ready tests over a week.
Exactly right. And people wouldn't have accepted the travel bans, distancing and lockdowns before they understood the threat.
China is STILL blocking our knowledge of the origins of this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html
We could have been more prepared though. The next pandemic was a certainty. Only the timing was unknown. Instead of $1200 per person in August, they could have sent us one mask each in January. Touchless sanitizers available where you enter and exit everywhere, and ample refill stock wouldn't be a bad idea either - before the pandemic hit.
We pay $5 trillion a year for federal government, is it $10 trillion for combined government? and mostly we get jack sh*t for it. We get mostly 'transfer payments' and very few of the public goods we were promised when consenting to all this taxation.
Our pre-virus worries about debt are puny compared to what we face now.
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https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-5-other-northeast-governors-will-make-joint-recommendations-reopening-economy-amid-1497622
take charge cuomo don't need to wait for trump
he is a man who can work with allies to achieve a plan
made up by the NE elites.
BTW
since there is going to be huge push for perry cuomo to be Dem nominee
from the NE
maybe we should start his own thread.
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Doug, 4 days ago, Reply #640:
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2647.msg124702#msg124702
b. Polling all adults or registered voters, not likely voters.
c. Heavy sampling Calif / IL / NY. when only 5-10 states will matter.
NYT today:
Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks
Consider two important measurement differences: battleground states versus other states, and registered voters versus likely voters.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/upshot/polling-2020-biden-trump.html
Nice of them to read, agree and reprint my post, but would it hurt that much to list the forum as their source?
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:-D :-D :evil:
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The black vote is something between 16 -20 million. If Trump's approval has jumped from 10 - 20%, that is an increase approaching 2 million minds changed or a potential swing = 4 million, Dem votes lost plus R votes gained, which is roughly the margin of a close election. If successful, this effort is bigger than that. - Doug
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/18/trump_team_targets_democratic_advantage_with_people_of_color_142981.html
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Trump’s Best Re-Election Bet: Run Against China
The public increasingly sees a threat, and he can argue the establishment was wrong for decades.
By Walter Russell Mead
April 22, 2020 12:32 pm ET
November may still be a long way away, and the coronavirus has thoroughly scrambled American politics. But it’s increasingly clear that President Trump’s likeliest path to re-election runs through Beijing. With the economy in shambles and the pandemic ravaging the country, making the election a referendum on China is perhaps Mr. Trump’s only chance to extend his White House tenure past January 2021.
Why Beijing? In the first place, because Americans increasingly disapprove of its behavior. In 2019, before the coronavirus stormed out of Wuhan to shake the world, 57% of Americans already had an unfavorable opinion of Beijing. The most recent Gallup poll, in February 2020, put that at figure at 67%.
But Americans go beyond distrust of the Chinese government. In a recent Pew poll, 68% of Republicans and 62% of Democrats considered China’s power and influence a major threat to the U.S.
Second, the issue plays to Mr. Trump’s strengths. The core of the president’s appeal has always been his ability to portray himself as an antiestablishment outsider come to drain the swamp and put the country back on the right track. This is harder to do as an incumbent running for re-election, but the foreign-policy and business establishment’s long romance with China gives Mr. Trump something to run against.
For decades, he can say, corporations outsourced American jobs to China, while the political establishment permitted Beijing to cheat in its economic competition with the U.S. China kept its markets closed, funneled state aid to Chinese companies, even stole intellectual property—while the establishment said Beijing was democratizing and learning to play by the rules.
The result? Millions of American jobs have been lost; China has become more hostile and more communist; and, to add insult to injury, the U.S. must now scramble to produce medical supplies and personal protective equipment it previously sourced from China to fight a virus that Beijing’s deception unleashed on the world.
The U.S. failure to recognize and respond to the danger posed by rising Chinese power was, Mr. Trump can plausibly say, one of the greatest strategic blunders in world history. The president’s supporters can concede he sometimes get the details wrong, while arguing that on China he—and not the establishment—got the big picture right.
Mr. Trump’s penchant for out-of-the-box thinking and unconventional policy moves could mesh well with an election on China policy. Mr. Trump will be able to control the campaign narrative through dramatic actions like setting draconian tariffs, imposing sanctions on high-profile Chinese figures involved in questionable activities, proposing measures to force U.S. companies to return production from China, and providing additional support to Taiwan.
Finally, a China campaign would create real problems for the Democrats. Some of this would be personal for Joe Biden—the Trump campaign is already doing everything it can to highlight Hunter Biden’s business ties to China. But plenty of other senior Democrats have made money there, supported trade policies that gave away too much without holding Beijing accountable, or praised China’s government in ways that would make painful viewing in a campaign ad today.
Even if they take a harsher tone on China, Democrats will have a difficult time differentiating themselves from Mr. Trump. Caught between wanting to criticize the president for what many will believe is a dangerously hawkish and simplistic approach to China on the one hand and wanting to appear tough on national security on the other, they’ll likely come off sounding soft or naive.
A China campaign may also drive some wedges into the Democratic coalition. Many Bernie Sanders voters share Mr. Trump’s critique of establishment policy toward Beijing. Blue-collar voters of all races would welcome proposals to “reshore” American factories now in China. Yet many establishment Democrats close to Joe Biden will fear the economic and political costs of confronting the Chinese Communist Party too harshly.
None of this means that Mr. Trump’s re-election is a slam dunk or that a China gambit will necessarily work. In a year when voters will be reeling from the epidemic and a massive recession, the Trump campaign’s efforts to put China front and center may fall flat. It’s also possible that Democratic counterattacks will stick. Voters may buy the argument that the U.S. should be strengthening its alliances in the face of the China threat and that the president too often undermines them. Beyond this, Mr. Trump may be torn between the urge to attack China and the desire to protect the trade deal he signed in January, undercutting the clarity of his own message.
Beijing has some leverage over the president. By delaying purchases of American farm commodities, China could hurt the economies of important swing states in the Midwest. As a major supplier of medical equipment and drugs the U.S. needs for the fight against the coronavirus, China could demonstrate its displeasure in damaging ways.
But a president who can’t run on the economy, and whose response to the coronavirus has, thus far at least, been less than Churchillian in the eyes of many voters, has to run on something. For Mr. Trump, campaigning against China may be his best shot at another four years in power.
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/grabby-joe-bidens-achilles-hand/
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John Ellis, retired columnist (Bush Republican)
I disagree with some of this and I find it rear view mirror oriented, but mostly good analysis.
[Out of 330 million people], 3 million in 5-7 states will determine the Presiential election, maybe 5 million in 8-10 states will determine the direction of the country.
https://medium.com/@41jellis/the-murder-w-7a40d037ddfa
The persuadable:
"As a group they are 57 percent male and 72 percent white, and 35 percent have college degrees. Most, 69 percent, say they usually vote for a mix of both Democratic and Republican candidates. Among those who voted in 2016, 48 percent say they voted for Mr. Trump, 33 percent for Hillary Clinton, and 19 percent for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or no one. Those who voted in the midterm election voted for the Republican congressional candidate by one point."
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https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/this-video-shows-why-no-one-trusts-the-coronavirus-experts
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/bidens-edge-evaporates-as-trump-seen-as-better-suited-for-economy-coronavirus-response-poll-shows-idUSKBN22I005
- 'ya think?
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Skin in the Game?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/
Betting Odds Date Trump Biden Spread
RCP Average 5/7 50.2 41.8 Trump +8.4
Betfair May 8th 50 43 Trump +7
Betsson May 8th 53 42 Trump +11
Bovada May 8th 52 42 Trump +10
Bwin May 8th 50 42 Trump +8
SmarketsMay 8th 46 40 Trump +6
SportingBet May 8 50 42 Trump +8
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Obama's biggest failure, from his supporters point of view, was to lose the House, the Senate, the Governorships, the state legislatures and his successorship in the White House to the opposing party, and then to have all his big unilateral actions reversed. How do you call that anything but failure? The only thing he succeeded in as President was to win his own reelection. And sell books. Good for him.
I will be impressed with Trump's governance, communication skills and reelection effort if/when he successfully nationalizes his election to include the House and Senate. This election isn't about Trump; it is about the direction of the country. If he makes it about Trump and wins alone, even in a landslide over a weak opponent, he loses.
Political leadership is all about changing hearts and minds. This is the greatest opportunity in a century to do that.
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Well said!
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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-storms-out-of-briefing-after-bizarre-exchange-about-china-with-cbss-weijia-jiang-skirmish-with-cnns-kaitlan-collins/
as I posted before our only hope is the Dem nominee is worse
I like T's policies and strength and willingness to stand up for us but sadly it comes with all the rest. :-o
CNN has his number
was not this Chinese reporter (DNC operative ) the one also affiliated with the Chikoms?
China does not even have to bribe CNN to echo their propaganda - Zucker does it for free.
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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-storms-out-of-briefing-after-bizarre-exchange-about-china-with-cbss-weijia-jiang-skirmish-with-cnns-kaitlan-collins/
as I posted before our only hope is the Dem nominee is worse
I like T's policies and strength and willingness to stand up for us but sadly it comes with all the rest. :-o
CNN has his number
was not this Chinese reporter (DNC operative ) the one also affiliated with the Chikoms?
China does not even have to bribe CNN to echo their propaganda - Zucker does it for free.
I agree with Trump on this one. The question was rude (in my view), nothing to do with the purpose of the press conference.
Paraphrasing, 'why do you dwell on how well we do compared to other countries when 80, 000 people are dying'. She said he was treating it as a "global competition". Implying he was letting people die because he is distracted, tooting his own horn.
The problem on testing circles back to China. This is how he [correctly] sees it. They hid the virus, they hid the code, they kept the PPE for themselves, they protected their own cities while sending it out everywhere else.
No indication he was saying it to her because of ethnicity. He has same to others. She had her face mostly covered. She didn't follow up at first, then slid the mask down when accusing him it was personal, meaning racial.
He has made it clear a hundred or a thousand times, his problem is with the regime, not the people of China and I would think he had every reason to believe she was American, not Chinese.
If they hadn't already played the race card 25,161,82,676,179 times (going up with the debt clock) then maybe they would have landed a punch here.
Seriously, do we have to answer questions differently depending on the ethnicity of the ancestors of the questioner?
The POTUS shouldn't say a lot of things he says, but he also shouldn't stand there and take that. [What similar question did Obama ever face?] Ending the press conference IS how you punish the press core. Her colleagues wanted face time. My humble opinion.
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I agree with Trump on this one. The question was rude (in my view), nothing to do with the purpose of the press conference.
yes
but he continues to put himself in front of totally hostile reporters whose sole goal is to bring him down
and then right on cue he loses his patience (not cool for commander in chief) and
gets into a back and forth with them (why bother) about why he is not getting more credit for his wonderful performance.
who gives a hoot.
we want to hear
the latest for corona news . not just tests are coming "soon"
He keeps doing this - it is HIM making it worse
and. he looks petty ( even if he is right about their torpedo type questions from a Chikom plant)
This is repetitively bad copy and I can't imagine that millions are not tired of it.
he makes it worse not better
He doesn't win. He looks and sounds foolish wasting time arguing to give himself more credit
while the rest of the nation is going thru hard times.
I don't know why so many defend this.
Attack CNN and the rest
but lets not deny he makes things worse.
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SHOCK CNN POLL: Trump Leads Biden By 7 Points in the Battleground States, Despite Trailing By 5 Overall
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/shock-cnn-poll-trump-leads-biden-by-7-points-in-the-battleground-states-despite-trailing-by-5-overall/
How did this get past the screeners?
Biden leads in all national polls (garbage in, garbage out).
Trump leads by 9 in Betting Odds (skin in the game)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/
It's like they know the polls are nonsense.
Far Left take on it:
Trump’s Odds of Winning Reelection Are Higher Than You Think
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SHOCK CNN POLL: Trump Leads Biden By 7 Points in the Battleground States, Despite Trailing By 5 Overall
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/shock-cnn-poll-trump-leads-biden-by-7-points-in-the-battleground-states-despite-trailing-by-5-overall/
How did this get past the screeners?
Biden leads in all national polls (garbage in, garbage out).
Trump leads by 9 in Betting Odds (skin in the game)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/
It's like they know the polls are nonsense.
Far Left take on it:
Trump’s Odds of Winning Reelection Are Higher Than You Think
The missing link:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/trump-reelection-2020-odds-biden-coronavirus-economy.html
Funny part is they picked Biden ONLY because he was the only one strong against Trump in the battleground states.
Our best interest is for Biden to hold his fictional lead for a while longer.
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Electoral College
It would be nice to have a Republican win the popular vote
only in '04
I think
since '88.
and the hoards keep marching in.
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Electoral College
It would be nice to have a Republican win the popular vote
only in '04
I think
since '88.
and the hoards keep marching in.
It would be nice if Republicans tried to change hearts and minds about how we want to be governed instead of just waiting for opponents to shoot themselves in the foot. Then they might win more people over.
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Electoral College
It would be nice to have a Republican win the popular vote
only in '04
I think
since '88.
and the hoards keep marching in.
It would be nice if Republicans tried to change hearts and minds about how we want to be governed instead of just waiting for opponents to shoot themselves in the foot. Then they might win more people over.
The problem is that a large number of repubs are quite happy to engage in failure theater rather than actually trying to roll back the leftist cultural damage.
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wearing matching blue outfits last night on side by side screens on Larry O'donnell last night
not clear who set this trial balloon up .
I can only imagine if he should pick her and then when he loses it ; she becomes president
by the way is "Abrams" Jewish?
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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-05-14/biden-running-mate-whitmer-abrams
that is what we need
more angry democrats super partisans
who look out for their own mobs
not america as whole
heavy on sarcasm :roll:
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-approval-at-gallup-highest-better-than-obama-bush
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/portrait-of-stacey.php
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https://finance.yahoo.com/video/biden-beating-trump-oxford-economics-165917616.html
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/21/before-she-was-put-on-joe-bidens-vp-short-list-stacey-abrams-was-a-soft-core-romance-novelist-n413087
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/2020-election-democrats-281470
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Swing-state voters favor Trump over Biden on China, protecting businesses
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/27/swing-state-voters-favor-trump-over-biden-china-su/
- Protect the country or fret over mean words to fake journalists over social media. Voters have a decision to make.
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".- Protect the country or fret over mean words to fake journalists over social media. Voters have a decision to make"
True but it would be a hell of. lot easier if Trump were to make his case for a free America for all rather than idendity politics socialism and endless expansion of government stealing of wealth to buy votes that just makes everything worse
then tweeting dreadful tweets all day long
turning nearly everyone off.
I am still waiting for him to show he can win over anyone other then the 40 to 45 percent of voters.
Not going to happen with dumb tweets.
I don't want to lose the House again , the Senate , and the Presidency over dumb shit.
I probably can't even dream of what the Dems will do to conservatives after 4 yrs of Trump intensifying their hatred and their resolve.
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ccp, All of what you say is true, yet Trump right now, with all his warts, is the only force out there equal to the Leftist Media Academia Machine. I also don't know why he can't do all the good stuff and none of the bad stuff, but that doesn't seem to be among our choices. I also think he is the only force that can nationalize the House and Senate races this year.
Trump lost the House in 2018. Unfair and criminal and unconstitutional in that was that Mueller held the Russian Treason Collusion Cloud over that entire election and Democrats still only won by vote harvesting. Mueller wouldn't even issue an interim report before the election even though he had known for nearly two years that all the original claims were false.
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"ccp, All of what you say is true, yet Trump right now, with all his warts, is the only force out there equal to the Leftist Media Academia Machine. I also don't know why he can't do all the good stuff and none of the bad stuff, but that doesn't seem to be among our choices. I also think he is the only force that can nationalize the House and Senate races this year"
He does have enormous talent but then like everyone can see throws a lot of it away etc ad nauseum
I am not sure he is really nationalization the election about policies
OR mostly about HIM.
This cannot be about HIM
It has to be about what kind of country we want - or if we even want a country at all.
Yet he keeps making this about himself. - a referundum on HIM
saying this is a warty distraction on an otherwise beautiful face - I just don't know.
His daily tweets etc
giving the 90% of the US leftist media
the opportunity to echo and amplify his blunders and minimize or "debunk" his accomplishments is giving me a TDS
that I can't take his tweeter away .
I almost wish dorsey (the little shit he is) would end his twitter account
likely it would help Trump to do that. Now that I think of it maybe that is why he won't do it.
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“the old ways of doing things just don’t work”, Obama observed.
Biden is running on nothing but a return to “the old ways of doing things just don’t work”.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499857-how-obama-just-endorsed-donald-trump
Twelve years ago, crusading under the banner of change, Obama dethroned an authentic American hero, John McCain, by playing the age card intentionally and frequently. Obama, playing off his youth to display his fitness to lead us into the future, declared McCain “was losing his bearings,” that we needed “a new politics for a new time.” Obama’s TV commercials piled on, proclaiming “we can’t afford a president who’s out of touch” and, more personally, “things have changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn’t.”
- 12 years ago he beat John McCain but he also beat HRC and Joe Biden with that same message. Same for Bill Clinton. George H.W. Bush was the 8 year Vice President, served in Congress, was Ambassador to the United Nations, Director of the CIA. The winning message for Democrats was that resume doesn't matter. Vote for youthful energy and change. Believe it or not, the incumbent represents youthful energy and change in this election.
“Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow. Yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone.”
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/factbox-biden-wants-woman-running-023552263.html
I bet Obama wants Harris to be bused in.........
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George Will
that said he is likely right Trump will lose in 2020 unless biden unravels (very possible). And no doubt when he does he will have little gravitas . Can anyone imagine a State funeral for Trump or anyone going to him for political advise or backing ? I can't imagine one for Clinton either for that matter.
Will is wrong the Republican party will not survive with any semblance of clout. The US will further decline .
but will is wealthy old and lives in his own little world in the beltway
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/george-will-says-republicans-will-forget-trump-fairly-fast-when-he-loses-election-trump-i-dont-recognize-the-name/
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The Revenge of Jim Mattis
Trump’s ill treatment of former advisers is coming back to haunt.
By The WSJ Editorial Board
Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis’s denunciation of President Trump on Wednesday isn’t surprising, but it still looks like an important political moment. Mr. Trump’s polarizing and hyper-personal governance is catching up with him, as we and so many others warned.
Mr. Mattis, the former four-star Marine General, is a man of accomplishment and dedication to country. He made the decision to join Mr. Trump’s Administration despite the misgivings he must have had about the President’s foreign-policy views. He served loyally until he resigned on Dec. 20, 2018 after Mr. Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw troops from the Syrian border with Turkey after a telephone call with Turkey’s President.
But as he so often has, Mr. Trump couldn’t resist kicking Mr. Mattis as he was going out the door. His initial tweets were supportive, but within two days he was criticizing Mr. Mattis for not helping enough to dun allies for more cash for U.S. foreign deployments. “General Mattis did not see this as a problem. I DO, and it is being fixed!” he tweeted.
He told a cabinet meeting that “I wish him well. I hope he does well. But, as you know, President Obama fired him and essentially so did I.” Mr. Mattis said in his resignation letter he’d stay until Feb. 28, but Mr. Trump ordered him out on Jan. 1.
In his statement to the Atlantic, Mr. Mattis denounced in particular Mr. Trump’s threat this week to order the military to restore order amid riots in U.S. cities. He said this threatens the Constitution, which is overwrought given that George H.W. Bush and other Presidents have done this. Mr. Mattis also undersold the significant harm that riots have done in many cities (see nearby).
But the general’s real motivation here is to tell the public that Mr. Trump lacks the character to be President and should be defeated in November. “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us,” Mr. Mattis said. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
This will resonate with many voters because it comes from someone who is no left-winger and has worked closely with the President. The question is whether this will begin a cascade of similar declarations from other former advisers. John Bolton, a former national security adviser, has written a memoir that will not be admiring.
John Kelly, Mr. Trump’s second chief of staff, defended Mr. Mattis from the President’s claim this week that he had fired the defense secretary. “The President has clearly forgotten how it actually happened,” said Mr. Kelly, another former general whom Mr. Trump disparaged after he left the White House. Other generals joined the criticism Thursday, and not all of them are Democratic partisans like John Allen, who invoked some apocalyptic nonsense about the end of democracy.
Every President has breakups with advisers, but Mr. Trump has gone through them like an assembly line. His demand for personal loyalty and his thin skin clash with people who care about larger causes and have strong views. Mr. Trump’s habit of blaming others for policy decisions or events that go wrong also builds resentment. This was bound to boomerang as he ran for re-election, and so it is.
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"The Revenge of Jim Mattis
Trump’s ill treatment of former advisers is coming back to haunt."
Trump can't just politely disagree
he has to crush them , humiliate them,
berate them, build himself as bigger then they
yup
not many will show up to his funeral some day
the tiny right wing media defense of Trump is like a piss in the wind against the LEFT onslaught
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https://www.dickmorris.com/why-trump-is-doing-much-better-than-polls-suggest-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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Income inequality is a fact in any free economy. (Mis-measuring) income inequality became an issue when Republican-led economic policies were leading to otherwise all positive results. 51 consecutive months of job creation? Yeah, but what about income inequality?
Last week's job report blew the ceiling out, most certainly helping Trump. So what do they report? Anything that didn't grow yet, in this case black jobs.
Here is Vox:
"The unemployment rate improved in May, but left black workers behind"
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/6/6/21282611/black-workers-left-behind-unemployment
Keyword: May. The economy was "shut down" in May.
Wierdly, Democrats support the shutdown disproportionately more than Republicans. Democrats support job losses and blame Trump. Who can see through that kind of disingenuity?
Let's go through this. Trump grew the economy at twice the rate of Obama-Biden. Biden is generously half as competent as Obama making a fourfold gap.
Black unemployment fell to an all time historic low in Trump's dynamically growing economy. Black unemployment actually rose in the first three years of the Obama recovery-stagnation.
Under which choice for President this year will black jobs versus black unemployment fare better?
There is only one right answer.
Vote for those who hold you back or vote for those who set you free.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/defund-the-police-blm/index.html
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Because Biden is weak, not a leader, he must own the messages of the Left. And the Left is unleashed.
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Hi all, Just checking in.
If you remember back in Jun 2106, when Trump took the escalator down to the lobby of Trump Tower, I was out there as one of the first to say that the election was over and Trump would be President. I was proven correct to the shock of many at that time.
Just want to say that I am not near so certain this time. In fact, I can see him losing if things align right. Let me explain.
1. The economy is not going to recover as quickly as hoped.
2. A real likelihood of Covid 19 resurgence requiring another shutdown of the country.
3. A very strong Dem VP pick so 25th Amendment can be invoked leading to first woman/black President.
4. Trump and his damned Twitter account where he can't keep control of his emotions.
5. Alienation of suburban wine moms.
6. National Debt and Far Right.id
This is a 4th Turning Year which was triggered by Covid 19. 4th Turnings have a way of surprising people in the direction they go.
Finally, Trump's election was a reaction to the years of Obama and before that, Bush 43. Typically, reaction elections are followed by Presidents not being reelection when a reaction election occurs. Just think Jimmy Carter.
Shall be watching the polls closing and updating state's status as they come in to see where things really stand. But not hopeful right now.
Also, you might like an article I just wrote on George Floyd for SpartaReport. I provided info NOT being covered by the media.
THAT IS ALL! Now remember.
LIFE IS GOOD ( even with all the uncertainty of today)
https://www.spartareport.com/2020/06/another-look-at-george-floyd/ (ftp://www.spartareport.com/2020/06/another-look-at-george-floyd/)
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Hi PP
welcome back
"4. Trump and his damned Twitter account where he can't keep control of his emotions."
EXACTLY.
i think lib jack Dorsey has NOT blocked the account so trump can keep making an ass out of himself and alienating swing voters women
and making more enemies even of people he worked with (jeff sessions)
and embittering and focusing and motivating the left even more
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Great to have you with us again Pat!
Unable to open your article-- are you aware of the rumint about Floyd banging Chauvin's wife, who is reputed to have been a porn actress?
Anyway, here is this:
https://theresurgent.com/2020/06/11/trumps-civil-war-battle/
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are you aware of the rumint about Floyd banging Chauvin's wife, who is reputed to have been a porn actress?
CD your source for this ?
I saw the porn thing but Chauvin's wife being the "actress "?
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Thanks PP. Try accessing the article through Spartareport.com and then clicking it.
That rumor, I had not heard. Sounds like an anger motive other than race. Inconvenient for the protest.
Suddenly all indicators are turning against Trump toward Biden, polls, betting odds, Gallup approval at 39%, The Economist forecast has Trump at 20% odds. I don't buy it.
Among PP points, Biden MUST pick a great vice president running mate. He won't. One source of wisdom says pick Condoleezza Rice, the smartest and readiest woman, and she's black. He won't pick her.
We are in uncharted waters, but many fundamentals remain the same. Trump's tweets, Trump's demeanor, that has gotten no better and no worse. Who can grow the economy better is one main question or the main question. The answer is either Trump or pathological denial.
Who can handle the unrest better? That is in the eyes of the beholder, but this didn't start under Trump or happen because of Trump. He wasn't even racist until he became the Republican front-runner.
Who can stand up to the China threat best? Trump again.
Who can handle the campaign and the debates best? Same answer.
Biden's strength is to hide in the basement and just soak up all of the not Trump vote. That won't get him to the finish line.
Trump recently measured 40% approval with Black's. Unheard of. Black voters are not in lockstep with black lives matter and BLM activists are not in line with either of them.
Biden is running behind Hillary with Hispanics. It's the economy stupid.
White suburban moms, we'll see...
Enthusiasm Gap? Big problem for Biden.
I would not bet against Trump, but I worry about the House and Senate majorities. Trump needs to get his own act together, tie these races together, and win.
if Democrats win all three, I will be selling assets and taking a defensive position described in other threads by our G M.
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https://www.axios.com/john-bolton-book-trump-misconduct-794e8e01-18a3-44ae-ae35-1ee2c4fddad4.html
Bolton cashing in
NYT and WP already beginning the leaks
we are so screwed
and the Feds just throwing more and more cash down the piss hole
and then comes the free health care, college, housing and this country is history
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Don't know what happened. So here is the article.
ANOTHER LOOK AT GEORGE FLOYD
After five days of endless tributes and funerals or memorials, George Floyd has finally been put into the ground. Now it is time to put to words some thoughts about Floyd.
America has been subjected to an “orgy” of George Floyd worship. One would believe that he was The Messiah cometh based upon everything reported. Here was a man who was more than a man, a single person who was “worthy” of total adulation and emulation. A loving father of a young child left behind.
Television and other media sources across the country took every effort to show America and the world his funeral. Here was the loss of a man at the hands of corrupt police and he should be honored as only a very special person deserves.
The truth though is far different.
George Floyd left behind not one, but five children. Yes, five children. Bet ya never heard about that. or about how they are living out their lives, though it would be easy to guess.
George Floyd was also nothing more than a common criminal, and a tool to be used by the Left in their ever increasing goal of eventually taking over America.
Floyd was born Oct 14, 1973. He graduated from high school in 1993 and from there attended minor colleges until dropping out somewhere around 1996-1997. At various times, he was a “rapper” in Houston and was known as Big Floyd. He was 6’4” and weighed 223 pounds and family referred to him as a “Gentle Giant.” (Michael Brown who was shot to death in Ferguson Missouri was also referred to as a “Gentle Giant.” See a pattern developing?)
Floyd’s first brush with the law occurred Aug 3, 1997 in what appears to be possession of less than one gram of cocaine. (Needless to say, he probably had abused cocaine and had larger amounts on him prior to his first arrest.) This began a documented pattern of brushes with the law for the next ten years, at least.
Additional charges and arrests included”
Theft (twice)
Drugs (several times)
Trespassing
Aggravated Robbery with a deadly weapon
It is the Aggravated Robbery with a deadly weapon which led to 5 years of imprisonment. The details of this crime are frightening.
In 2007, Floyd broke into a woman’s home with the intent to rob her. He wore a “blue uniform” to appear to be a government employee to gain the woman’s trust to let him into her home. The woman quickly realized that Floyd was not who he said he was and tried to close the door, but he used “brute force” to break into the home from there by holding a handgun to her stomach.
Upon entering, Floyd was quickly joined by five friends inside the house. He began to search the home while another of the intruders held the woman at gunpoint. During this time, the woman was pistol whipped in the head and arms while trying to scream for help.
Not finding any cash, Floyd and the others took jewelry and her cell phone and fled in the truck that they had arrived in. A neighbor saw the action and immediately reported it to police. The vehicle was quickly located and pulled over with Floyd behind the wheel driving it. All were arrested.
Floyd was convicted of the crime in 2009 and served 5 years in prison until 2014, when he was released. (It was not the first time that Floyd had committed a crime using a firearm. In 1998 he committed robbery with a firearm and served 10 months in the Harris County Jail. George was accused of a firearm robbery in August 1998 for which he served 10 months at Harris County Jail.
Additional time spent in jail occurred for
In April 2002, Floyd was condemned to 30 days of prison for trespassing private property.
October 2002, eight months in prison for cocaine.
Oct 2004, ten months in prison for cocaine.
Dec 2005, ten months in prison for cocaine.
After Prison
Upon his release from prison in 2014, the narrative is that Floyd wanted to change his life around. To do so, he became involved in a Christian program in Texas with a history of taking men from there and moving them to Minnesota, providing them with drug rehab and job placement services.
In Minnesota, Floyd worked in various jobs and eventually the nightclub where he worked until his death. His pattern of unlawful behavior did not appear to cease, instead he just did not get caught. At least not until Memorial Day 2020 when he passed a counterfeit bill in a grocery store. The police were called and he was arrested.
Death of Floyd
We all know the story of Floyd’s death by now. He died at the hands of Derek Chauvin, a white police officer, who pressed his knee to Floyd’s neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds during the arrest. But there is more to the story than being reported.
Floyd appeared to be uncooperative and resisting getting into the patrol car. It was such that the cops had to cease putting him into the vehicle and instead laid him out on the ground and then Chauvin placed his knee on the side/back of his neck to further restrain him. (We will not know how much of a fight Floyd put up until the body cams are released.)
Floyd was handcuffed face down in the street, while two other officers further restrained Floyd and a fourth prevented onlookers from intervening.
In the final moments of George Floyd’s life, as he lay face down and Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin knelt on his neck, another officer asked Chauvin if they should roll Floyd onto his side. “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” the officer told Chauvin, according to authorities. Chauvin refused to turn over Floyd, who was pronounced dead shortly after.
For the last three of those minutes Floyd was motionless and had no pulse, but officers made no attempt to revive him. Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck as arriving emergency medical technicians attempted to treat him.
Excited Delirium
The charging documents for Officer Chauvin mentions the term “Excited Delirium” and indicates that the officers were worried about this condition presenting itself. That alone is alarming and in fact, challenges the consensus view of what happened.
Excited delirium is a relatively uncommon health condition characterized by severe agitation, aggression, distress, and is often fatal. In many cases of excited delirium, individuals will have displayed noticeable increases in body temperature (fever), utilized drugs that altered dopaminergic functioning, and exhibit overtly bizarre behavior. Although the condition is rare, those with excited delirium are often misdiagnosed, and end up dying before they receive proper medical treatment. Often death is the result of a heart attack.
Stages of Excited Delirium
Those that experience excited delirium typically go through various stages including: severe agitation, potential violence, police restraint, struggle, respiratory failure, and usually death. While death does not always occur, most cases of excited delirium are associated with mortality.
Stage #1: Delirium & Psychomotor Agitation
The first stage of excited delirium is that of a person appearing to be delirious, disoriented, yet hyperactive. They may be pacing back and forth, yelling, or engaging in violent and combative behavior
Stage #2: Disturbing the Peace
The second stage of excited delirium may exist simultaneously with stage one. The individual may shout obscenities, display bizarre behavior, and may appear violent. Though often the police will not be involved until the person is already in this stage, the sight of police could invoke this behavior especially if police are attempting to take the person into custody.
Stage #3: Restraint & Struggle
At this stage, police will usually attempt to restrain the person with excited delirium. Cooperation may be non-existent with the person appearing to be resistant to pain and with high levels of endurance and strength. Eventually the police will restrain the individual, but hopefully not as to constrict the diaphragm as this can lead to death.
Stage #4: Diagnosis & Treatment
After restraint, the police must properly diagnose the individual with and contact medical responders. With proper diagnosis, a police should attempt to help the patient stay calm, relax, and should use the minimal amount of restraint.
When medical responders arrive, they will need to have a correct diagnosis as well so that proper treatment can be administered.
Stage #5: Recovery vs. Death
In most cases of excited delirium, the patient ends up dying. This is due to difficulty of diagnosis as well as the fact that death may be inevitable for some individuals with preexisting medical conditions or drug-induced physiological changes. With proper treatment by both police and medical responders, there is a chance the individual may experience a full recovery.
On the other hand, respiratory failure and cardiac arrest are also common outcomes. Nearly 2/3 individuals with excited delirium end up dying in police custody or while being transported by paramedics to the hospital.
Causes of Excited Delirium
Causes of excited delirium will differ for each individual. However, there are commonalities in most cases involving the ingestion of a stimulatory drug.
Autopsy analyses among those who died from excited delirium reveal the drug most associated with this condition is cocaine, but methamphetamine is another common culprit.
A cocktail of drugs may also lead to excited delirium.
Autopsy
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office ruled Floyd’s death a homicide caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Also cited were coronary artery disease and hypertension.
Floyd had fentanyl in his system and had recently used meth. Traces of cannabinoids and morphine were present. He also tested positive for the coronavirus in early April, and again after his death, but appeared asymptomatic.
Michael Baden, a hired gun independent examiner concluded Floyd died when his breathing was obstructed by the pressure officers put on his neck and back.
What the Hennepin Examiner did say is that Floyd was NOT asphyxiated.
Thoughts and Observations
As one would expect, PU has some observations and thoughts about this case. So here’s at it.
First, George Floyd had done a lousy job of reforming himself. Not only did he have illegal drugs in his system, he also tried to pass an obviously counterfeit $20 bill. This is not the behavior of a reformed criminal.
Second, being arrested for trying to pass a counterfeit bill while on illegal drugs would have surely resulted in Floyd being sentenced back to prison. Recognition of this could have resulted in excited delirium occurring, if not just attempting to resist arrest.
Third, if the body cameras show that Floyd was agitated or resisting arrest, this is further evidence of a potential problem and would give cause for the arresting cops to restrain him on the ground.
Fourth, the neck restraint hold placed upon Floyd was an allowable procedure under the training guidelines for Minneapolis that Chauvin experienced. So there was nothing illegal to using this method of restraint if done in moderation.
Fifth, the officers were aware of the possibility of excited delirium. Though Chauvin did not put Floyd on his side to lessen the potential for harm, there might have been little that could lessen the potential for death.
Sixth, Floyd had many co-morbidities that could be triggered by the existence of excited delirium. In fact, his death was attributed to one of those co-morbidities that could be triggered by excited delirium.
Seventh, the arresting officers had no idea of these co-morbidities that plagued Floyd.
Eighth, somehow George had forgotten to give notice to police that he was now a “Gentle Giant” and not someone prove to agitation and violence. If he had given them notice, maybe they would not have restrained him. (Yes, this is sarcasm.)
Ninth, if Floyd was experiencing excited delirium, then not applying the neck restraint would likely have not have resulted in a different outcome for Floyd. In fact, an argument can be made that pre-existing health conditions aggravated by excited delirium may have been the cause of death.
Tenth, it was not coincidence that Floyd was in this neighborhood, ranging far from home. As Bruno can attest to, the neighborhood where Floyd died was not a typical upright neighborhood. Instead, the neighborhood and street corners were well known for their drug dealing. For a person like Floyd who did not live in the area to go there, only one reason would normally exist, to score some drugs.
The Left and the Media has used the death of George to advance their own agenda and nothing more. They do not care about the search for truth and what really happened that fateful Memorial Day.
At some point, there will be further details to come out about the death of George Floyd. Some of these details will be what video cams recorded and about the relationship between George Floyd and Officer Derek Chauvin. If the details revealed support the concept that it was excited delirium or some other factors that contributed to the death of Floyd, or made death likely under any circumstances, then the Left and the Media is responsible for all that has happened since.
Unfortunately, the damage has been done. Any innocent verdict will only result in more riots and protests, much wider and more violent in scale. We are left in dangerous times now.
(Note: I am not arguing that the officers were innocent or guilty of anything, least of all murder. I don’t know the answer. I only present other parts of the story not getting any air time. We will have to wait for the rest of the story to come out before we can come to any conclusions.)
As always, I thank Mark for allowing me to post my thoughts. I hope all who read this find my thoughts valuable. Most important to remember…..
LIFE IS GOOD!!! (No matter the challenges it brings)
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Had not heard about the rumor. And unless I could substantiate it, would not put it in.
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Mentioning Health Care above, here is today's article.
THE COSTS OF MEDICAL CARE
As most of the regular readers here know, I have been battling “The Beast” (Prostate Cancer) for about four years now. The treatments for the Beast are all medication based, which is hormonal therapy. The good news is that I have responded well to such treatments.
In America today, there is an ongoing controversy about Big Pharma, medicine costs and of course, Medicare Plan D or other insurance paying for the cost of medical treatments. I thought that it would be appropriate to at least bring to light the costs of what my own treatments are costing to illustrate just how bad a mess things are when treating chronic diseases. (I am at the phase now where my CA is considered “chronic.”)
I received a bill this week for Medical Claims processed between Feb 14 and Mar 29, 2020. The bill covers just a portion of what it is taking to keep me alive. Here is what has been paid.
Feb 14 – Zometa Injection and other services $ 1,113
Feb 28 – Xtandi $11,569
Feb 25 – Heart Stress Test $ 1,274
Mar 13 – Zometa and Lupron Injections $ 7,105
Mar 28 – Xtandi $11,569
Apr 28 – Xtandi $11,569
May 8 – Zometa Injection $ 615
May 28 – Xtandi $11,569
The total costs for the 4 month period is $56,373.
(Xtandi is a daily dose by pill, 4 per day, each pill costing $100. Lupron is a quarterly injection. Zometa was a monthly injection delivered by IV, but goes quarterly now.)
What is frightening about this number is that it does not include other 3rd party payments, or other procedures that might be incurred throughout the year, things necessary to evaluate progress and keep me healthy like CT scans, colonoscopy, x-rays and other procedures.
My medical costs per year will run between $175k and $200k. If something special arises, then the cost goes up significantly, especially if it requires a hospital stay.
Utilizing a Cost/Benefit Analysis, the truth is that with what I contribute to society in my retirement years, I do not warrant the costs associated with keeping me alive.
This is truly scary stuff, looking at the numbers from a Cost/Benefit Analysis perspective. It is no wonder that ObamaCare envisioned Death Panels. I must be truly grateful that the Panels were not fully instituted.
The question arises as to what happens in the future? Will people in the same position as I am be left to die when financial strains get worse? Can medical costs be gotten under control so as to relieve financial pressures on the insurance system? The health care system?
I don’t know the answers. All I know is that I am relieved and grateful that I am still around to annoy Rubbish, Bruno and the other Moderators with my Cuckservative views.
Have a Great Day and give this some thought when you have time. And remember…..
LIFE IS GOOD!!! (As long as you wake up each morning and are able to get out of bed.)
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Quite right, the rumor does not belong in an article.
That said, I would add to your article the following:
1) Two of the officer were POC (light skinned black and Laotian or Vietnamese. Chauvin's wife was Hmong.)
2) The apparent relationship between Chauvin and Floyd at the club where they worked security. An employee at the club has said the two bumped heads there, but since has retracted that. Odd , , ,
3) The arrest report spoke of the officer's knowing the other two individuals in the car. OK, what was the nature of that relationship?
4) The arrest report spoke of one of the officer's pulling a gun on Floyd at the car, then putting it away. What was that about?
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PP your benefit to us conservatives is HUGE
as for whether Chauvin knew Floyd etc. I do not follow you and CD?
what exactly is the difference if they knew each other or not?
we can all plainly see he essentially choked the guy to death .
even after he was calling out for his mother and not breathing moving etc.
are we trying to say he is not guilty?
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No, of course not.
What I take from it is that the kill may have been personal and not racial.
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My point is that if Floyd was suffering from excited delirium, then he would have more than likely died anyway. Not excusing the cop, but the outcome might have been the same either way.
Pulling the weapon might be another indication of excited delirium. Or that Floyd was resisting arrest because he knew if arrested again for the counterfeit bill and with drugs in his system, he was going away for a lot longer that 5 years.
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https://www.gingrich360.com/2020/06/the-biden-schumer-pelosi-machine-the-first-year/
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".Newt: Biden-Schumer-Pelosi the first year"
Don't forget we will get.a carbon tax
the military will decline again
the immigrant flood will double
moves towards "free" college, "free" health care.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=YZe5qm8dN-w&feature=emb_logo
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The Trump Referendum
He still has no second term message beyond his own grievances.
By The Editorial Board
June 25, 2020 7:28 pm ET
President Trump may soon need a new nickname for “Sleepy Joe” Biden. How does President-elect sound? On present trend that’s exactly what Mr. Biden will be on Nov. 4, as Mr. Trump heads for what could be an historic repudiation that would take the Republican Senate down with him.
Mr. Trump refuses to acknowledge what every poll now says is true: His approval rating has fallen to the 40% or below that is George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter territory. They’re the last two Presidents to be denied a second term. This isn’t 2017 when Mr. Trump reached similar depths after failing to repeal ObamaCare while blaming Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. He regained support with tax reform and a buoyant economy that really was lifting all incomes.
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Now the election is four months away, voters know him very well, and Mr. Trump has reverted to his worst form. His record fighting the coronavirus is better than his critics claim after a bad start in late February and March. He mobilized federal resources to help hard-hit states, especially New York.
But he wasted his chance to show leadership by turning his daily pandemic pressers into brawls with the bear-baiting press and any politician who didn’t praise him to the skies. Lately he has all but given up even talking about the pandemic when he might offer realism and hope about the road ahead even as the country reopens. His default now is defensive self-congratulation.
The country also wants firm but empathetic leadership after the death of George Floyd, but Mr. Trump offers combative tweets that inflame. Not long ago Mr. Trump tweeted that a 75-year old man who was pushed by police in Buffalo might be an antifa activist. He offered no evidence.
Americans don’t like racial enmity and they want their President to reduce it. Mr. Trump has preached racial harmony on occasion, but he gives it all back with riffs that misjudge the national moment. His “law and order” message might resonate if disorder and rioting continue through the summer, but only if Mr. Trump is also talking about racial reconciliation and opportunity for all.
Mr. Trump has little time to recover. The President’s advisers say that he trailed Hillary Clinton by this much at this point in 2016, that they haven’t had a chance to define Mr. Biden, and that as the election nears voters will understand the binary choice. Perhaps. But in 2016 Mrs. Clinton was as unpopular as Mr. Trump, while Mr. Biden is not.
Mr. Biden hasn’t even had to campaign to take a large lead. He rarely leaves his Delaware basement, he dodges most issues, and his only real message is that he’s not Donald Trump. He says he’s a uniter, not a divider. He wants racial peace and moderate police reform. He favors protests but opposes riots and violence.
Some Democrats are literally advising Mr. Biden to barely campaign at all. Eliminate the risk of a mental stumble that will raise doubts about his declining capacity that was obvious in the primaries. Let Mr. Trump remind voters each day why they don’t want four more years of tumult and narcissism.
Mr. Trump’s base of 35% or so will never leave, but the swing voters who stood by him for three and half years has fallen away in the last two months. This includes suburban women, independents, and seniors who took a risk on him in 2016 as an outsider who would shake things up. Now millions of Americans are close to deciding that four more years are more risk than they can stand.
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As of now Mr. Trump has no second-term agenda, or even a message beyond four more years of himself. His recent events in Tulsa and Arizona were dominated by personal grievances. He resorted to his familiar themes from 2016 like reducing immigration and denouncing the press, but he offered nothing for those who aren’t already persuaded.
Mr. Trump’s advisers have an agenda that would speak to opportunity for Americans of all races—school choice for K-12, vocational education as an alternative to college, expanded health-care choice, building on the opportunity zones in tax reform, and more. The one issue on which voters now give him an edge over Mr. Biden is the economy. An agenda to revive the economy after the pandemic, and restore the gains for workers of his first three years, would appeal to millions.
Perhaps Mr. Trump lacks the self-awareness and discipline to make this case. He may be so thrown off by his falling polls that he simply can’t do it. If that’s true he should understand that he is headed for a defeat that will reward all of those who schemed against him in 2016. Worse, he will have let down the 63 million Americans who sent him to the White House by losing, of all people, to “Sleepy Joe.”
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second post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOWOVjLY7c
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second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0YKf-caVuY
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"Perhaps Mr. Trump lacks the self-awareness and discipline to make this case. [YA THINK?] He may be so thrown off by his falling polls that he simply can’t do it. If that’s true he should understand that he is headed for a defeat that will reward all of those who schemed against him in 2016. Worse, he will have let down the 63 million Americans who sent him to the White House by losing, of all people, to “Sleepy Joe.”"
I would at this point prefer someone else but there really is no one else.
we are stuck .... he can at least allow legislative rebups to distance away from him if this gives them a better chance to win - but he can't even
do that he is so selfish.
very sadly the only one's at Trump's funeral some day will be part of his family,
and VP Pence and his wife.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-opens-12-point-lead-trump-thirds-biased/story
Pres. H.R. Clinton up 12 points on Trump, June 26, 2016. Insurmountable.
Hat tip Glenn Reynolds. Link taken down but headline is in the url.
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it is the tweets stupid.
Every talk radio show everyone is saying the same thiing.
unfortunately
it is not that he makes willful decisions to tweet - and folks it ain't some grand strategy
it is part of his pathologic personality disorder
uncontrollable impulsiveness, inability to take responsibility for mistakes , when something goes wrong always blame someone one else,
self centered , braggart. He brain if fucked up . People like him are unable not unwilling to see it. He can't . These people are extremely resistant to most forms of psychiatry treatment and indeed would consider themselves the healthy ones and others the losers.
Everyone keeps calling in to the talk radio shows saying what he needs to do to win . And everyone states it is reach out to the middle and stop the childish behavior
We are in for a long 5 months of frustration folks till we lose in November - unless of course Biden is worse - our only hope.
https://apnews.com/7eea48b80f14474b7057967a9654c4f0
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MAGA—for All
Trump needs to give voters a reason to support him. He’s working on it.
By Kimberley A. Strassel
June 18, 2020 6:48 pm ET
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President Trump convened a roundtable last week in Dallas, which the media described as a talk on police and race relations. It was much more. Some Republicans are beginning to hope it was the basis of a compelling second-term agenda.
As national unrest continues, Democrats are intent on limiting this debate to law-enforcement brutality and “racism.” Mr. Trump’s Dallas event was an effort to broaden the discussion into one about “advancing the cause of justice and freedom.” Part of that, Mr. Trump said, was working together to “confront bigotry and prejudice.” As important, he added, is providing “opportunity” to every American.
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The president handed it over to Attorney General William Barr, who called education the “civil-rights issue of our time” and argued for school choice. Housing Secretary Ben Carson discussed efforts to use telemedicine to remedy health-care disparities. Scott Turner, executive director of the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council, touted the success of “opportunity zones,” created in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which have funneled tens of billions of dollars into distressed communities.
Mr. Trump campaigned in 2016 to work on behalf of “forgotten” Americans—whether they be in struggling blue-collar areas, inner-city minority communities, or rural towns. As fate would have it, both the coronavirus and George Floyd’s death have shined a spotlight on glaring disparities in the country. The white-collar elite work safely from home in shut-down cities, while hands-on workers and small-business owners become economic statistics. The focus on rare cases of police abuse has resurfaced the all-too-common reality of so many African-American communities—crime, high unemployment, poor health care, failing schools.
In those bleak headlines is an opening for Mr. Trump to embrace a second-term “opportunity” agenda, a promise that free-market policies won’t only revive the struggling economy but throw it open to those forgotten Americans. So far, Mr. Trump has seemed content to let the race with Joe Biden boil down to a debate over the past four years and whether the Democrat is too radical or too incompetent to be trusted. Those points will certainly energize the Republican base. But making inroads with independents, minority voters and suburban housewives will require something more concrete and aspirational. Why not an “American Dream” theme?
That’s the case many Republicans are making to the White House, even as they think about how to refine it. One benefit of such an agenda is that it doesn’t require the administration to try to package a theme around disparate or expensive proposals like infrastructure or tax credits. It gives the president something more to pitch than a return to lost prosperity. And it provides the Trump campaign with an opportunity to make inroads with minority voters—crucial in a close race.
The greatest merit of an opportunity agenda is that it rests on core conservative policies and principles. It’s about tailoring them—and ramping them up—to serve struggling communities. That’s the brilliance of opportunity zones, which South Carolina’s Sen. Tim Scott got included in the 2017 tax reform. He harnessed the power of smart tax relief and directed it at underserved, struggling communities. School choice is, likewise, about providing minority parents the opportunity to rescue their kids from crummy schools. Health-care choice is about giving poor Americans the opportunity to escape Medicaid. Deregulation is about providing more Americans the opportunity to engage in entrepreneurship.
Even better, the Trump administration already has the record, people and infrastructure to build on this theme. The common and absurd claim that Mr. Trump is “racist” has always been belied by the diversity of his administration and the programs it has pursued. Sentencing reform. An unprecedented focus on vocational education. Funding for historically black colleges. Tackling the opioid epidemic. Mr. Trump in 2018 set up the Opportunity and Revitalization Council, which Messrs. Turner and Carson oversee. In May the council put out a report brimming with case studies and best practices for spurring investment in economically distressed areas.
Promoters also note that an American Dream theme is optimistic and inclusive—a needed contrast to perpetual Democratic anger, partisan and racial animus, the fear and gloom of the virus. The administration aside, that kind of positive agenda could prove a lifeline for Senate Republicans who have been provided little that is forward-looking to campaign on, and who aren’t running against Mr. Biden.
But perhaps the best argument for this agenda is that Mr. Trump already believes in it. Advisers note that there’s a reason he talks so frequently about the historically low black and Hispanic unemployment rates; he’s genuinely proud of them. The 2016 slogan was “Make America Great Again.” It would be no lift for Mr. Trump to add a couple of words and sell what he has done, and what he could with four more years. “Make America Great Again—for All.”
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"I know they don’t get back to those record numbers from Obama,” Griffith said of Black voter turnout. “We look at Joe Biden and see more of the same. It’s about the era he came up. It’s about his identity—he’s a rich, old white man. What are his credentials to us, other than Obama picking him? It’s nice that he worked with Obama. But let’s keep it real: That was a political calculation. Obama thought he needed a white man to get elected, just like Biden thinks he needs a Black woman to get elected. We can see through that.”
These sentiments resurfaced in almost every conversation I had. First, that Biden choosing a woman of color might actually irritate, not appease, Black voters. Second, that the inferno of June would flicker by summer’s end and fade entirely by November. And third, that Biden does little to inspire a wary Black electorate that views him as the status quo personified.
- Tim Alberta, Politico
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/24/letter-to-washington-grosse-pointe-woods-325641
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RCP today:
NBC Battleground States
Pennsylvania: Biden 50, Trump 44
Michigan: Biden 48, Trump 43
Wisconsin: Biden 51, Trump 43
North Carolina: Biden 51, Trump 44
Florida: Biden 50, Trump 45
Arizona: Biden 51, Trump 44
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Who does this "news" help? Hurt?
Reminds of when the Vikings have a one touchdown lead and go into the "prevent" defense with way too much time left on the clock, against a great quarterback - and lose every time. In this case, these aren't even actual points on the board. It's still pre-game.
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Steve Hayward on the state of the race:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/the-state-of-the-race-4.php
One more data point:
July 1988: Michael Dukakis led George H.W. Bush by 17 points.
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https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-MONDALE-LEADS-REAGAN-IN-TRIAL-HEAT-FOR-THE-PRESIDENCY-1983-01.pdf
Just before the economy got going.
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https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/17/us/poll-shows-dukakis-leads-bush-many-reagan-backers-shift-sides.html
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https://www.dickmorris.com/trump-makes-huge-inroads-with-latinos-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-melania-trump-confidant-stephanie-winston-wolkoff-to-release-explosive-tell-all-before-the-election
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Here we go (again).
"After playing a vital role in plotting Trump’s inaugural festivities"
OMG, vital.
Is there still something we don't about the Trumps? Big book tour about their marital ups and downs? I'm still waiting for the Bolton bombshell.
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".Is there still something we don't about the Trumps?"
no
agree with you Doug over the nonstop propaganda
but a sarcastic left winger would say we "still don't have his tax returns"
till someone leaks then to NYT.
:roll: :wink:
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The IRS has his tax returns, all of them. Nothing says Big Government Coercion like the IRS. If the Left doesn't trust them, neither do I, let's shut them down. )
Romney released his, squeaky clean, still got heavily criticized. Stupid to walk back into that trap.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eERIBBCBZcY
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Model correctly picks 25 of the last 27 contests.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/donald-trump-chance-of-winning-election-2020-joe-biden-poll-model-a9609236.html
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https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/10/trump-lays-out-his-second-term-agenda-on-the-economy-the-wall-judges-and-school-choice-n629796
to me so far sounds exactly the same as 2016 - agree with Andrew McCarthy this along with the usual bluster is not what the undecideds are looking for .
no surprise
pray we keep the Senate
my vote is not enough.
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https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-promotes-tweet-claiming-cdc-media-democrats-and-doctors-are-all-lying-about-covid-19/
me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZz_qYw_j4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTiF28tc-Fw
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
although he has the better policies
he clearly has made the election about him - at least with swing voters
his lack of sensitivity about corona
not reopening the economy
certainly has to be a problem
not being touchy feely is not helpful in times of crises
IMHO
pray we keep the Senate
and at least a tiny portion of power in hands of conservatives
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Those poll numbers are almost as bad as the poll numbers were when he was elected president!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
although he has the better policies
he clearly has made the election about him - at least with swing voters
his lack of sensitivity about corona
not reopening the economy
certainly has to be a problem
not being touchy feely is not helpful in times of crises
IMHO
pray we keep the Senate
and at least a tiny portion of power in hands of conservatives
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".Those poll numbers are almost as bad as the poll numbers were when he was elected president!"
your usually right and I usually agree with you
just not this time
though I wish it true.....
barring unforeseen event(s) he is going to lose
and I suspect it will be by good margin
he can hire new campaign advisors , but so what . Since when has he ever really listened to anyone else in his life?
it is him.
maybe blame a unified front of never trumpers and leftists media academics etc but he is incapable of reaching out to the middle voters
it would be admitting weakness, even that he is wrong about some things. he won't / *can't* do it.
I am simply gearing up for the obvious
would rather be very pleasantly surprised then get hopes up for nothing just to have him continue to simply bash the nail harder and harder into the same knot, the same way till it bends and breaks off which is what he does.
he is incapable of adjusting - it is as much style as substance
normal people can learn and at least partly adjust
his personality is just so twisted he can't.
That is why he is losing in MHO.
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At this point, I don't think it really matters. I expect we will all be hip deep in CW2 by the start of November anyway.
".Those poll numbers are almost as bad as the poll numbers were when he was elected president!"
your usually right and I usually agree with you
just not this time
though I wish it true.....
barring unforeseen event(s) he is going to lose
and I suspect it will be by good margin
he can hire new campaign advisors , but so what . Since when has he ever really listened to anyone else in his life?
it is him.
maybe blame a unified front of never trumpers and leftists media academics etc but he is incapable of reaching out to the middle voters
it would admitting weakness, even that he is wrong about some things. he won't /can't do it.
I am simply gearing up for the obvious
would rather be very pleasantly surprised then get hopes up for nothing just to have him continue to simply bash the nail harder and harder into the knot in the would till it bends and fails .
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https://www.dickmorris.com/trump-could-carry-the-latino-vote-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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what planet is Dick on now?
Wasn't he in Philadelphia last?
next week he will come out and tell us Trump will win the black vote.
how about the female vote?
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How to Pick a Running Mate
Biden will be 78 by January. He needs a capable, nationally recognized figure.
By William A. Galston
July 21, 2020 6:54 pm ET
Since clinching the Democratic nomination in April, Joe Biden and his senior advisers have run a mostly error-free campaign. They have unified their party without taking positions that would be deal-breakers for moderate and suburban voters, and Mr. Biden’s soothing demeanor has provided a notable contrast with President Trump’s hard-edged divisiveness.
But the task is about to get much harder. Between now and November, Mr. Biden faces four challenges: choosing the right running mate, delivering an effective acceptance speech at the Democratic convention, countering the Trump campaign’s assault on his record and character, and conducting himself with clarity and vigor during the presidential debates. If he passes these tests, the solid polling lead he now enjoys will almost certainly be translated into an electoral victory.
The first task must be completed within the next few weeks. History suggests some guidelines for selecting the vice-presidential candidate, as do the distinctive circumstances of this most unusual year.
A good vice-presidential choice doesn’t help the presidential candidate very much, but a bad choice can inflict serious damage. Studies have found only marginal effects of the vice-presidential candidate on the national popular vote share. The last one believed to have made the difference between victory and defeat in his home state was Lyndon Johnson in 1960—and political scientists have thrown this belief into doubt, too.
On the other hand, George McGovern was forced to replace his initial choice, Missouri Sen. Thomas Eagleton, a stumble from which his 1972 campaign never recovered. Despite an initial surge of interest and enthusiasm, John McCain’s selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin cut against his public reputation and weakened his candidacy as the seriousness of the 2008 financial crisis became apparent.
The lessons of the past are clear. Mr. Biden and his team should heed the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm. There is no substitute for careful vetting and common sense.
If Mr. Biden wins the election, he’ll be 78 when he takes the oath of office in January—already the oldest president ever. There is a nonnegligible chance that his vice president would have to assume the presidency. The woman Mr. Biden chooses—yes, it will be a woman, as he has pledged—must be perceived as having the experience to step into his shoes at a moment’s notice. Those with limited records in national politics are unlikely to meet this standard of credibility, as are those who have never held elective office.
In addition, Mr. Biden should give priority to African-American candidates. He owes his nomination to unwavering African-American support at the campaign’s critical juncture. The disproportionate effects of the Covid-19 pandemic and the demonstrations sparked by the killing of George Floyd moved issues facing this community to the center of national politics.
The selection of an African-American running mate would guarantee the unity and enthusiasm of the Democratic Party, while the failure to do so would be dispiriting for a crucial portion of Mr. Biden’s coalition. Although religious conservatives were likely to support the eventual Republican nominee in 2016, Donald Trump’s selection of Mike Pence was a powerful signal that he didn’t take their support for granted. In this one respect, Mr. Biden should follow Mr. Trump’s example.
Mr. Biden is an effective congressional negotiator, but his presidential schedule, much of which would likely be dominated by foreign policy, would force him to delegate much of this job to others. A vice president who could work with Congress on Mr. Biden’s behalf as he did for President Obama would be a force multiplier. The vice president should also have the capacity to manage specific portfolios for the president, as Al Gore did with the National Partnership for Reinventing Government and Mr. Biden did with the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
An effective vice president should offer candid, confidential advice to the president and back his decisions unflinchingly once they are final. The vice president shouldn’t establish an alternative power center, as Dick Cheney did during George W. Bush’s first term.
Even if Mr. Biden turns out to be a one-term president, he should enjoy the assistance and support of his vice president for the full four years. He shouldn’t select a vice president who would begin her own presidential campaign the day after the 2022 midterm elections. He would be well advised to secure a specific pledge to this effect before her selection.
These considerations should lead Mr. Biden away from mayors and governors, and toward individuals with extensive records of leadership at the national level. Selecting a vice-presidential nominee widely regarded as unready to assume the presidency would be the Biden campaign’s first significant unforced error.
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William A. Galston. a Clinton Gore mobster:
"The vice president shouldn’t establish an alternative power center, as Dick Cheney did during George W. Bush’s first term."
yeah right .
" These considerations should lead Mr. Biden away from mayors and governors, and toward individuals with extensive records of leadership at the national level. Selecting a vice-presidential nominee widely regarded as unready to assume the presidency would be the Biden campaign’s first significant unforced error."
Perhaps - gag - Hillary :wink:
Who ever it is it won't be a unifier of the nation as Biden claims he wants to be - like all Dems - we want to be bipartisan and uniters - (as long we get as much liberal policies passed thru)
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" These considerations should lead Mr. Biden away from mayors and governors, and toward individuals with extensive records of leadership at the national level. Selecting a vice-presidential nominee widely regarded as unready to assume the presidency would be the Biden campaign’s first significant unforced error."
Incredibly weak field, as we saw from the nominating process. They act like there is some great pick out there if only they can discover her. They start with nothing, that's how they got Biden. Then they limit it to women. Women of foreign policy experience on the Dem side? Madeline Albright, not eligible, Hillary? Ha! Past her sell date, really this time. Kamala? First term Senator, no experience, failed her debut, never won a vote in a swing state. Susan Rice? Are you kidding? Bring someone from behind the scenes forward, Valerie Jarret or Michelle O?
Pick the Native American woman with bankruptcy experience? (Sen. Warren)
They are asking one person to be more than one thing, shore up the radical left and the desperately needed black vote, and soothe the anxiety of moderate suburban women at the same time, code white. Be ready to serve as President on Day One. Can't be done. Live by identity politics? Die by identity politics. Live by radical politics? Die by radical politics. Go Black? Divide the party. Go white? Divide the party. Go moderate? Divide the party. Go far Left? Divide the party. He would like to name a committee to the job, but when he narrows it to one, he spills paint all over his own blank canvas.
Right now Biden's poll numbers reflect the anyone but Trump sentiment. By November the poll numbers will reflect whether or not voters want this man, these people, to run our country.
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could multiple president runner/loser Romney be right ?
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mitt-romney-trump-election-2020-212436754.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_02
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dickmorris-coronavirus-covid-trump/2020/07/27/id/979296/
of course he called the 2012 election for Romney so caveat emptor
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nina-turner-biden-voting-eating-bowl-sh
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Yesterday I was going to note tht she's been quiet lately. Then look who steps forward:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/27/covid-economy-trump-incompetent-weak-dishonest-kamala-harris-column/5514701002/
My trick, read liberals until their first lie, which is usually in the first sentence:
People are out of work, hungry, suffering and dying. [Not Trump's fault] The United States has more than 4.2 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 and nearly 147,000 people have been killed. [Oops, not true] The situation is dire and is getting worse..." [Patently false.]
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"Over 17 million people are still out of work." [Democrats want that number to be higher.]
Perfectly predictable opposition drivel. She's ready to run. Already using Biden's writers.
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When you're tired of the dishonesty of Donald Trump, turn to Susan Rice?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026
“There is a level and depth to her experience which would be a real asset.”
- Valerie Jarrett on Rice.
That is, if she isn't indicted in the 'unmask' scandal.
"She’s one of the most effective bureaucratic operators I’ve ever seen in government.”
- Said like it was a positive quality.
The book on a Biden-Rice partnership, how well do they learn from all their foreign policy errors?
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/28/video-frank-luntz-urges-joe-biden-pick-karen-bass-running-mate/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200728
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/28/video-frank-luntz-urges-joe-biden-pick-karen-bass-running-mate/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200728
Former Speaker of the Calif Assembly. You are familiar with her? 'Moderate'? Flaming liberal?
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No idea.
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https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/joe-biden-susan-rice
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Biden paints Biden soft on China:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/biden-got-it-wrong.php
Perhaps the most important issue in the election.
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Hugh Hewitt surprised me this morning by saying Val Demings is the VP nominee he fears most. Some think she comes across as a regular person, she was a police officer who came up to the drivers' window a thousand times.
I thought she came across as unnecessarily partisan and abrasive in the impeachment hearings. She has had very little time in Washington, almost none in national politics.. I wonder if she will be stumped on issues or if she is fully ready for this moment. She has been in the House only since 2017.
If she can deliver Florida, then she is worth it to Biden. I can't imagine what Trump's path looks like without Florida. Orlando is the center of the state.What state would Kamala deliver? California? Susan Rice? Washington DC? Tammy Baldwin? She's not even black!
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".I thought she came across as unnecessarily partisan and abrasive in the impeachment hearings."
I can't think of a Democrat that does not .
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"I thought she came across as unnecessarily partisan and abrasive in the impeachment hearings."
I can't think of a Democrat that does not .
I know what you mean, but some are smooth and seem harmless and sound centrist and some come across as angry radicals.
My Congressman, west suburbs of Minneapolis, is a businessman. family man, neighbor, friend of a friend, cousin of Scott Johnson at Powerline, supposedly pro-business, pro-America etc. The contrast might be Maxine Waters and the squad, want to tell us how this country sucks and burn down the system. They get elected in different districts but vote the same.
Val Demings sounded angry partisan radical in tone to me as I listening to impeachment hearings on radio. I thought it was Maxine Waters, hadn't heard of her. They used to call the middle of the electorate the soccer moms, those who determine the outcome, white suburban centrist women who just want what's best for their children and families. Do they see her, listen to her, and say she's one of us?
There isn't a pick that's right for Joe in the party identity politics. He needs one for each type, young liberal women, angry black women, white suburban woman, gays, Jews, Muslims. And what about men? He needs their vote too!
If you accept the premise that sexism and racism is the rule in America, the pool Joe has to choose from lacks the experience he needs from a nominee because they have been so unfairly excluded. He already ruled out all men with national and foreign policy experience and all(?) women were denied these opportunities, therefore lack that experience.
He should be able to pick from Pres. Obama's Secretaries of State, Kerry and Hillary. Dead end there. Clinton's female Secretary of State, Madeline Albright? Not eligible, now past her time. How about the most powerful woman in the world, Nancy Pelosi? Too bad they didn't pick their best and brightest for leadership of the House they control, ready to step up now. Nobody there.
Too bad he won't pick my pick, perhaps the most qualified woman in the country, centrist, smart, experienced, black, with great personal history to reach out to all undecideds, Condi Rice.
Shortly we will know his pick. Or is it his handler's pick?
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/joe-bidens-big-tent-strategy-seems-to-be-working?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_080120&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9d3fa3f92a40469e2d85c&cndid=50142053&hasha=52f016547a40edbdd6de69b8a7728bbf&hashb=e02b3c0e6e0f3888e0288d6e52a57eccde1bfd75&hashc=9aab918d394ee25f13d70b69b378385abe4212016409c8a7a709eca50e71c1bc&esrc=bounceX&utm_term=TNY_Daily
Earlier this week, there was a telling moment when Joe Biden spoke in Wilmington, Delaware, about the need to combat systemic racism and foster racial equality in the American economy. His speech was the latest in a series of public appearances in which the Presidential candidate has rolled out his Build Back Better economic agenda; earlier discussions were devoted to strengthening American manufacturing, addressing climate change, and building up the caring economy. “This election is not just about voting against Donald Trump,” Biden said. “It’s about rising to this moment of crisis, understanding people’s struggles, and building a future worthy of their courage and their ambition to overcome.”
The giveaway was the phrase “not just about.” Since capturing the Democratic nomination, Biden has repeatedly acknowledged, implicitly and explicitly, that, for many Americans, the 2020 election is mainly about getting rid of his opponent. This dynamic was clear during the primaries, when a majority of Democrats told pollsters that their top priority was selecting someone who could defeat Trump. It’s evident today in the endorsements that the former Vice-President has picked up, from groups ranging from the Lincoln Project, an organization of Never Trump Republicans that is running ads attacking the President and supporting Biden, to Indivisible, a group of progressive activists whose home page blares, “beat trump and save democracy.”
To the members of these groups, and to many other Americans, Biden’s role is to serve as a human lever to pry a disastrous President out of the White House. Defying the concerns of some political professionals who watched his primary campaign, the former Vice-President is shaping up to be an effective crowbar. Since wrapping up the nomination, in March, he and his campaign team have successfully navigated at least three significant political challenges.
The first was uniting the Democratic Party after a chaotic primary season. To this end, Biden has reached out to the Party’s progressive wing and tacked to the left in some of his own policy proposals. He created a Unity Task Force—including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other supporters of Bernie Sanders—that released a lengthy set of recommendations earlier this month. Biden now supports Elizabeth Warren’s bankruptcy plan, which would make it easier for financially strapped people to discharge their debts. He has put forward a proposal to insure free tuition for many students at public colleges, modelled on an earlier Sanders plan. His climate-change strategy sets a target of 2035 for the creation of a zero-emissions power grid, which is just five years later than the deadline laid out in the Green New Deal. Some Sanders supporters are still scornful of Biden, but there has been no repeat of the internecine conflict that occurred in 2016.
The second task facing Biden was to fashion a coherent response to the tumultuous events of 2020. That’s where his Build Back Better plan comes in. The members of his policy team have worked on the assumption that the coronavirus-stricken economy will need substantial financial support for years. They think that this presents an opportunity to make it greener, more worker-friendly, and more racially inclusive. Biden’s proposals include spending two trillion dollars on projects to move beyond fossil fuels; seven hundred and seventy-five billion dollars on expanding care for preschoolers and the elderly; and a hundred and fifty billion dollars on supporting small, minority-owned businesses. He’s also promised to insure that forty per cent of the investment in green-energy infrastructure benefits disadvantaged communities, to expand rent subsidies for low-income households, to facilitate labor-union organizing, and to introduce a national minimum wage of fifteen dollars per hour.
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Many progressive policy experts still think that Biden’s proposals don’t go far enough, but some of them are also issuing qualified praise. “When you look at all four elements of his economic platform, I think some of them have been very good—the climate plan in particular,” Felicia Wong, the president of the Roosevelt Institute, told me. Wong also said that the speech Biden gave this week about the economy, race, and the coronavirus was an effective one. “He recognized that people of color suffer the most in economic downturns, and also bounce back last,” she said. “It’s hard for a lot of people to make the race and economic arguments together, and he laid it out eloquently.”
The third challenge that Biden faced was to avoid giving Trump an easy target. The pandemic has made the dodging part easier. Hunkered down in Wilmington, Biden largely has left the President to dig his own hole—which he has done, ably. But Biden has also reached out to Trump Country. The first of his Build Back Better speeches was delivered in Rust Belt Pennsylvania: it included calls to restore American manufacturing and “buy American.” As well as adopting some of the language of economic nationalism, Biden has rejected certain progressive proposals, such as defunding the police and enforcing a complete ban on fracking, that might alienate moderate whites in battleground states.
This is smart politics, Ruy Teixeira, a polling expert and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, told me. Despite the changing demographics of the United States, whites who don’t have a college degree still make up about forty-four per cent of the eligible electorate, according to Teixeira; in some places, such as parts of the Midwest, the figure is even higher. “You cannot cede massive sections of the electorate if you want to be successful politically,” Teixeira said.
In 2016, Trump carried the white non-college demographic by thirty-one percentage points at the national level, according to Teixeira’s analysis of exit polls and election returns. Biden has narrowed the gap to twelve points, Teixeira said, citing a recent survey. That is similar to the margin in 2008, when Barack Obama defeated John McCain and the Democrats increased their majorities in both houses of Congress. As it is often defined, the Obama coalition consisted of minority voters, college-educated white liberals, and young people. Teixeira pointed out that Obama’s ability to restrict McCain’s margin in the white non-college demographic was also important, and if Biden matched that feat in November, he said, it could be of enormous consequence. “This is not the only thing that is going wrong for Trump,” Teixeira said, “but it is the thing that could give the Democrats the big victory that they need to govern effectively.”
None of this means that Biden is a lock for the Oval Office. Between now and November 3rd, something could conceivably shift the momentum against him, such as a Vice-Presidential pick that backfires, a major slipup in the debates, or a surprising economic upturn. Right now, though, the challenger’s strategy of keeping the focus on the incumbent and pitching a broad tent that accommodates anyone who wants to see the back of Trump is working well.
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Read Joe Biden’s Lips: New Taxes
More than $3 trillion in new levies on incomes, payrolls and more.
By The Editorial Board
July 31, 2020 6:51 pm ET
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Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden speaks at the Chase Center in Wilmington, Delaware, July 14.
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Joe Biden is a heavy favorite to be the next President, yet the media have barely paid attention to what he will do if he wins. We’ll try to fill that knowledge gap in the coming weeks, and a good place to start is his proposal for tax increases of more than $3 trillion over a decade. Let’s examine the unfine print:
• Individual incomes: Raise the top marginal rate to 39.6%, from 37%. Repeal the $10,000 cap on the deduction for state-and-local taxes, giving a bigger break to places like San Francisco and New York. But limit the tax benefit of itemized deductions to 28% of face value, hitting higher earners.
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• Payrolls: Apply a 12.4% Social Security tax, split between workers and their employers, to all income over $400,000, with no cap. The current payroll tax comes off after $137,700 of income, but under Mr. Biden’s plan the levy would be limitless. No more polite fiction of Social Security as an “earned” benefit.
Economists say the payroll tax falls mainly on workers, even though half is purportedly “paid” by employers. All together, including Mr. Biden’s 39.6% rate on income, the federal government’s top marginal tax on labor would be higher than 50%. Factor in state income taxes—California’s 13.3% top rate or New Jersey’s 10.75%—and the marginal rate would hit the 60s.
• Capital gains: For those earning more than $1 million, tax capital gains and dividends as regular income, at the new top rate of 39.6%. That’s almost double the current top rate of 23.8%, including the ObamaCare surtax. Capital gains haven’t been taxed as heavily as Mr. Biden proposes since the bad old 1970s.
Who knows if it’ll stop there. Last year the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, Oregon’s Ron Wyden, suggested taxing unrealized gains, before the investor sells, using a mark-to-market scheme. The wealthy would pay taxes each year on their paper gains, though there are a host of problems, like how they’d value illiquid assets and if they’d get a refund when the market subsequently fell (don’t count on it).
• Estates: Repeal stepped-up basis at death. This could mean slapping capital-gains taxes on the dearly departed. Or the property received by heirs would arrive with taxable capital gains hidden inside, and no adjustment for inflation. Mr. Biden hasn’t said what he’d do to the estate tax, currently set at 40%, above an individual exemption of about $11.6 million. But his new pal Bernie Sanders wants to lower the exemption to $3.5 million and lift rates up to 77%.
Joe Biden's New Tax Burden
The estimated effects of Biden’s main tax proposals in 2021, assuming that one-fifth of his higher corporate tax falls on workers.
INCOME GROUP AVERAGE NEW TAX BURDEN ($) CHANGE IN AFTER-TAX INCOME (%)
0–10% 18 –0.6
10–20% 31 –0.3
20–30% 49 –0.3
30–40% 79 –0.3
40–50% 121 –0.3
50–60% 222 –0.5
60–70% 310 –0.5
70–80% 454 –0.6
80–90% 725 –0.6
90–95% 1,368 –0.8
95–99% 3,372 –1.8
Top 1% 118,194 –17.8
Source: The American Enterprise Institute, "An Analysis of Joe Biden’s Tax Proposals," June 2020
• Corporate incomes: Raise the rate to 28%, from 21%. To see how this would compare globally, add America’s state taxes on corporate income: up to 8.84% in California or 9.5% in Illinois. Last year the European Union’s average top statutory rate was 21.8%. Don’t be surprised if U.S. companies return to the pre-Trump pattern of moving their headquarters overseas.
• Corporate minimum: Put a 15% minimum tax on the “book income” of businesses with $100 million in profits. Mr. Biden’s campaign said last year it would affect about 300 companies, though draining their capital could slow down America’s economic dynamos.
• Foreign earnings: Since Mr. Biden’s other tax increases would raise the business incentives to shift income abroad, double to 21%, from 10.5%, the minimum tax on “global intangible low tax income.”
• Tax credits: Create or expand a plethora of tax credits: a new refundable and “advanceable” $15,000 “down payment tax credit for first-time home buyers”; $8,000 for “child and dependent care”; $5,000 for “informal caregivers”; $5,000 for “hiring a person with a disability”; a low-income renter’s tax credit “designed to reduce rent and utilities to 30% of income.”
Also: the Earned Income Tax Credit; a Manufacturing Communities Tax Credit; the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit; the New Markets Tax Credit; the Work Opportunity Tax Credit; the solar Investment Tax Credit; “tax credits for residential energy efficiency”; and a restoration of “the full electric-vehicle tax credit.” Mr. Biden would lard the IRS code with spending and subsidies for favored businesses and behavior. This would allocate investment based on politics rather than economic returns, as companies look for ways to reduce their overall tax rates.
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Mr. Biden has said he won’t raise taxes on anybody making under $400,000 a year. In 2016 Hillary Clinton made that pledge at $250,000. Either way, it’s a mirage. Higher corporate taxes are inevitably paid by workers in lower wages, or by shareholders (including pension funds) in lower returns on their investments.
Revenue estimates for Mr. Biden’s tax agenda vary, from $4 trillion over a decade to $3.2 trillion, after accounting for how it would shrink the economy. But analysts confirm the phoniness of Mr. Biden’s pledge. Over the long run, the Tax Foundation said in April, his main tax proposals would lower after-tax incomes for every quintile, including 1.4% for the middle class.
An American Enterprise Institute study from June assumed that a fifth of the higher corporate tax would fall on workers “in the form of lower compensation.” If so, taxpayers in the 80% to 90% decile, earning around $170,000 to $248,000, would carry an additional $725 tax burden in 2021, on average. For those in the 90% to 95% range, earning less than $353,000, the figure would be $1,368. “Overall,” the report says, “24.7 percent of new tax revenue in 2021 would come from the bottom 99 percent of taxpayers.”
That’s before Mr. Biden has to figure out how to pay for the full spending agenda he is laying out for the left. He claims his tax proposals will soak only the affluent, but they won’t raise nearly enough money to finance all of his plans. In the end everyone will pay.
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VERY interesting point that the economic burden of the corporate tax, they so much want to raise, falls disproportionately on the poor and working people who at the lower levels get off easy on personal income taxes.
In other words, Biden's Left drivel won't hold up to scrutiny or to a 90 minute debate with the man who doubled the growth rate of the world's largest economy.
Prosperity through greater taxation? Prosperity through greater re-distribution? Prosperity through shutting down private businesses or nationalizing industries? It is pure denial of 'settled' science.
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How Trump Can Deliver Tax Relief Without Congress
Suspend collection of the payroll levy using the same authority that extended the filing deadline to July.
By Stephen Moore and Phil Kerpen
Aug. 2, 2020 3:33 pm ET
WSJ
President Trump needs to reset the debate on the latest coronavirus relief bill. Senate Republicans have scuttled their best pro-growth idea—a payroll tax cut—and instead released a $1 trillion spending bill. Last week Mr. Trump acknowledged that compromising with Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a fool’s errand, because the House won’t agree to anything that boosts growth and job creation. The Democratic plan includes a six-month extension of the $600-a-week unemployment bonus and $3 trillion in new spending. It would sink the economy and imperil Mr. Trump’s re-election.
The president needs to pull an end run, and there’s a legal way to do that. He should declare a national economic emergency and announce that the Internal Revenue Service will immediately stop collecting the payroll tax. This is technically called a deferral of the tax payments.
The IRS already delayed payment of income and other taxes from April 15 until July 15. That order lays out the legal basis for a payroll tax suspension: “Section 7508A of the [Tax] Code provides the Secretary of the Treasury . . . with authority to postpone the time for performing certain acts under the internal revenue laws for a taxpayer determined by the Secretary to be affected by a Federally declared disaster. . . . Pursuant to section 7508A(a), a period of up to one year may be disregarded in determining whether the performance of certain acts is timely under the internal revenue laws.”
Mr. Trump should instruct the Treasury to stop withholding payroll taxes. To protect benefits, he should order Treasury to put bonds into the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. Since Barack Obama did that in 2011, his vice president would have a hard time explaining his opposition to it now. So would Mrs. Pelosi, who in 2011 called the tax cut “a job creator” that would give the economy “a boost.”
The catch is that under any deferral, workers would still be on the hook for paying the taxes later. Or would they?
Mr. Trump could also pledge to sign a bill—now or after the new Congress takes office on Jan. 3—to forgive those repayments. That would make the election a referendum on middle-class taxes. Mr. Trump can give Americans a tax cut now, and sign it into law later.
This bold act would flip the political tables. Democrats can’t credibly call it a tax cut for the rich. Mr. Trump could cap it at, say, $75,000 of income, so the vast majority of the benefit would go to straight into the wallets of middle- and lower-income workers, almost all of whom pay more payroll than income tax.
Voters would instantly see the 7.5% boost to their paychecks. Mr. Trump could then run against the $3 trillion House spending bill. It would be right out of the playbook of Harry S. Truman, another incumbent president who faced a big deficit in the polls and was told he couldn’t win re-election. Late in the summer of 1948, Truman stopped negotiating with what he called the “do nothing” Republican Congress and started campaigning against it. He won—and so could Mr. Trump.
Mr. Moore is a member of President Trump’s economic recovery task force and a co-founder of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity. Mr. Kerpen is the committee’s president.
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Read Joe Biden’s Lips: New Taxes
More than $3 trillion in new levies on incomes, payrolls and more.
By The Editorial Board
July 31, 2020 6:51 pm ET
WSJ:
Joe Biden is a heavy favorite to be the next President, yet the media have barely paid attention to what he will do if he wins. We’ll try to fill that knowledge gap in the coming weeks, and a good place to start is his proposal for tax increases of more than $3 trillion over a decade. Let’s examine the unfine print:
• Individual incomes: Raise the top marginal rate to 39.6%, from 37%. Repeal the $10,000 cap on the deduction for state-and-local taxes, giving a bigger break to places like San Francisco and New York. But limit the tax benefit of itemized deductions to 28% of face value, hitting higher earners.
• Payrolls: Apply a 12.4% Social Security tax, split between workers and their employers, to all income over $400,000, with no cap. The current payroll tax comes off after $137,700 of income, but under Mr. Biden’s plan the levy would be limitless. No more polite fiction of Social Security as an “earned” benefit.
Economists say the payroll tax falls mainly on workers, even though half is purportedly “paid” by employers. All together, including Mr. Biden’s 39.6% rate on income, the federal government’s top marginal tax on labor would be higher than 50%. Factor in state income taxes—California’s 13.3% top rate or New Jersey’s 10.75%—and the marginal rate would hit the 60s.
• Capital gains: For those earning more than $1 million, tax capital gains and dividends as regular income, at the new top rate of 39.6%. That’s almost double the current top rate of 23.8%, including the ObamaCare surtax. Capital gains haven’t been taxed as heavily as Mr. Biden proposes since the bad old 1970s.
Who knows if it’ll stop there. Last year the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, Oregon’s Ron Wyden, suggested taxing unrealized gains, before the investor sells, using a mark-to-market scheme. The wealthy would pay taxes each year on their paper gains, though there are a host of problems, like how they’d value illiquid assets and if they’d get a refund when the market subsequently fell (don’t count on it).
• Estates: Repeal stepped-up basis at death. This could mean slapping capital-gains taxes on the dearly departed. Or the property received by heirs would arrive with taxable capital gains hidden inside, and no adjustment for inflation. Mr. Biden hasn’t said what he’d do to the estate tax, currently set at 40%, above an individual exemption of about $11.6 million. But his new pal Bernie Sanders wants to lower the exemption to $3.5 million and lift rates up to 77%.
Joe Biden's New Tax Burden
The estimated effects of Biden’s main tax proposals in 2021, assuming that one-fifth of his higher corporate tax falls on workers.
INCOME GROUP AVERAGE NEW TAX BURDEN ($) CHANGE IN AFTER-TAX INCOME (%)
0–10% 18 –0.6
10–20% 31 –0.3
20–30% 49 –0.3
30–40% 79 –0.3
40–50% 121 –0.3
50–60% 222 –0.5
60–70% 310 –0.5
70–80% 454 –0.6
80–90% 725 –0.6
90–95% 1,368 –0.8
95–99% 3,372 –1.8
Top 1% 118,194 –17.8
Source: The American Enterprise Institute, "An Analysis of Joe Biden’s Tax Proposals," June 2020
• Corporate incomes: Raise the rate to 28%, from 21%. To see how this would compare globally, add America’s state taxes on corporate income: up to 8.84% in California or 9.5% in Illinois. Last year the European Union’s average top statutory rate was 21.8%. Don’t be surprised if U.S. companies return to the pre-Trump pattern of moving their headquarters overseas.
• Corporate minimum: Put a 15% minimum tax on the “book income” of businesses with $100 million in profits. Mr. Biden’s campaign said last year it would affect about 300 companies, though draining their capital could slow down America’s economic dynamos.
• Foreign earnings: Since Mr. Biden’s other tax increases would raise the business incentives to shift income abroad, double to 21%, from 10.5%, the minimum tax on “global intangible low tax income.”
• Tax credits: Create or expand a plethora of tax credits: a new refundable and “advanceable” $15,000 “down payment tax credit for first-time home buyers”; $8,000 for “child and dependent care”; $5,000 for “informal caregivers”; $5,000 for “hiring a person with a disability”; a low-income renter’s tax credit “designed to reduce rent and utilities to 30% of income.”
Also: the Earned Income Tax Credit; a Manufacturing Communities Tax Credit; the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit; the New Markets Tax Credit; the Work Opportunity Tax Credit; the solar Investment Tax Credit; “tax credits for residential energy efficiency”; and a restoration of “the full electric-vehicle tax credit.” Mr. Biden would lard the IRS code with spending and subsidies for favored businesses and behavior. This would allocate investment based on politics rather than economic returns, as companies look for ways to reduce their overall tax rates.
***
Mr. Biden has said he won’t raise taxes on anybody making under $400,000 a year. In 2016 Hillary Clinton made that pledge at $250,000. Either way, it’s a mirage. Higher corporate taxes are inevitably paid by workers in lower wages, or by shareholders (including pension funds) in lower returns on their investments.
Revenue estimates for Mr. Biden’s tax agenda vary, from $4 trillion over a decade to $3.2 trillion, after accounting for how it would shrink the economy. But analysts confirm the phoniness of Mr. Biden’s pledge. Over the long run, the Tax Foundation said in April, his main tax proposals would lower after-tax incomes for every quintile, including 1.4% for the middle class.
An American Enterprise Institute study from June assumed that a fifth of the higher corporate tax would fall on workers “in the form of lower compensation.” If so, taxpayers in the 80% to 90% decile, earning around $170,000 to $248,000, would carry an additional $725 tax burden in 2021, on average. For those in the 90% to 95% range, earning less than $353,000, the figure would be $1,368. “Overall,” the report says, “24.7 percent of new tax revenue in 2021 would come from the bottom 99 percent of taxpayers.”
That’s before Mr. Biden has to figure out how to pay for the full spending agenda he is laying out for the left. He claims his tax proposals will soak only the affluent, but they won’t raise nearly enough money to finance all of his plans. In the end everyone will pay.
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Tax only the rich and the burden falls 25% on the working class. Not counting the burden of lost opportunities and economic collapse.
"Don’t tax you. Don’t tax me. Tax the guy behind the tree."
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/04/04/tax-tree/
Joke being that it doesn't work. You don't tax capital without hurting labor. You don't tax employers without hurting employees. You don't raise taxes on the economy, without hurting all its participants.
A mere 1+% percent in the GDP growth rate changed the economy from stuck in stagnation to having the lowest BLACK unemployment rate on record. How do you repeal all that and say "Black Lives Matter"? Only with dishonesty.
Fact is, the already rich will still be rich with or without a new yacht, home or tesla. The burden of excess taxation and excess government falls on all the people who want to succeed in the land of destroyed opportunities, stagnation, decline, collapse.
cf. Jimmy Carternomics, Hugo Chavezuela Who did worse under these regimes? Every working person for sure.
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/3/revolutionary-communist-party-leader-backs-biden/
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/3/revolutionary-communist-party-leader-backs-biden/
What lines still exist between the dems and commies?
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/05/joe-biden-denies-taking-cognitive-assessment-after-claiming-ive-been-tested/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200805
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=UjmDX0l9AvA&feature=emb_logo
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https://theweek.com/speedreads/929999/biden-campaign-reportedly-making-ruthless-cuts-convention-speaking-list
of course false profits Baraq and Meeshell will be speaking
but Hillary - ? two time loser
and pediphile Bil - ?
just goes to show the lock they still have on Dem mafia control
and John Kasich ? another McCain .
will Romney volunteer ?
how Bill Krystol or George Will as MCs?
AOC etc not invited
cover her up though her wing has increasing power over the Dem mafia machine
I am sure Pelosi will be there to yak up the BS.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=UjmDX0l9AvA&feature=emb_logo
Anyone else would be forced to resign.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4HMB5y2nkgc&feature=emb_logo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=4HMB5y2nkgc&feature=emb_logo
I'm surprised they don't have a deepfake Joe doing interviews now.
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COME ON MAN!
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https://www.ammoland.com/2020/08/gov-whitmer-proudly-wipes-out-wolverine-state-gun-stores/
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1292804013344337921.html
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1292804013344337921.html
"This radicalized concept of law as a political instrument is cooked into every single policy on the Left."
- All true. Every word of this sounds should be over the top - but it's all true.
We don't know who would run a Biden administration. We know it won't be him, it won't be sane people from the center, it won't be people who believe in the wisdom of the Founders or constitutional principles or pursuit of the American Dream.
We still don't know who ran the Obama Administration. Agencies were run from "The White House". His closest adviser was NOT elected VP Joe Biden. Cabinet members did not make the important decisions in their areas. For example, 24 Special Envoys usurped Sec. State powers over to the White House, leaving her out of the loop: https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/resources/PB102.pdf Iranian born Valerie Jarrett? Anita Dunn? Holder, Pritzker, Duncan, we still don't know. Barack Obama signed all the orders but others were very involved in writing them and reassuring him that he's doing the right thing.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/219106-obamas-five-closest-allies
For Joe Biden, who is that? We don't know. Best guess is the same people who ran the country into the ground in the Obama administration plus whatever he promised to Bernie Sanders, Jim Clyburn, Antifa, BLM and others to get their support.
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https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-joe-biden-has-selected-a-running-mate/
I wonder who told Joe about his decision...
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https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-joe-biden-has-selected-a-running-mate/
I wonder who told Joe about his decision...
Good thing Joe has no memory of this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/harris-attacks-bidens-record-on-busing-and-working-with-segregationists.html
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*Good thing Joe has no memory of this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/harris-attacks-bidens-record-on-busing-and-working-with-segregationists.html*
was that after or before she was attacking Justice Kavanaugh with dirty false accusations among her many accomplishments.
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Communist News Network and MS LSD already fawning
first this first that ...
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Communist News Network and MS LSD already fawning
first this first that ...
The first Willie Brown side-piece to accomplish many different things!
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https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-joe-biden-has-selected-a-running-mate/
I wonder who told Joe about his decision...
Good thing Joe has no memory of this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/harris-attacks-bidens-record-on-busing-and-working-with-segregationists.html
Or this: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437107-harris-i-believe-biden-accusers
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The first Willie Brown side-piece to accomplish many different things!
The story of Kamala Harris equals the case against sugar, from arm candy to gut ache.
Once a whore, always a whore?
A plagiarist and a hooker walk into a bar... a basement bar, that is.
Joe Biden isn't old. Her last boyfriend is 86. She's been dating senile old men since her twenties.
What did you like best about Willie Brown, your longest relationship, the BMWs or the cushy commission appointments?
You said Willie should go to jail for his corruption. What about the people receiving the stolen goods like yourself?
Cory Booker is way smarter, and not much uglier. But sorry, no cervix.
The reason for Harris is 'do no harm'. Wouldn't it be funny if they lost her Senate seat. But she won't resign.
ccp, I guess this means reparations are off the table. Kamala Harris is a descendant of slave owners. Can we tear down her statute in advance?
Does this appointment mean Michelle O, HRC and Oprah are officially off the table?
Kamala Harris was vetted? For WHAT? Her vote totals running outside of California are 0.0. Her experience running against a Republican in a contested election in a divided state are zero.
In national office since 2017, her experience on national television so far have been her playing the role of bitch, and she seems to be good at it. Harris questions Kavanaugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNqoweINCEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv7_ZmM8BQ0 , also the clip G M posted of her verbally assaulting Joe Biden. In the case of Kavanaugh, the charges she was pressing so hard were bogus. Even in the case of Biden, the charges she was pressing so hard against him were bogus. How bad can you make an innocent person look. This is not a nice person.
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Former President Barack Obama is hailing his former vice president’s running mate selection, saying, “Joe Biden nailed this decision.”
“By choosing Senator Kamala Harris as America’s next vice president, he’s underscored his own judgment and character,” Obama adds.
Obama calls Harris an ”ideal partner to help him tackle the very real challenges America faces right now and in the years ahead.”
***.he’s underscored his own judgment and character ***
yup
(while O's own campaign manager calls her "do no harm" )
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https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-joe-biden-has-selected-a-running-mate/
I wonder who told Joe about his decision...
At least his handlers gave him a script.
https://twitter.com/NewsPolitics/status/1293293102069878784/photo/2
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Most candidates run to the center in the general election. Biden is moving left.
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the Democratic Party’s leftward shift.
By Ezra Klein@ezraklein Aug 12, 2020,
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21364527/joe-biden-kamala-harris-vice-president-2020-bernie-sanders-democrats-moderate-liberal
according to the DW-NOMINATE system, which measures the ideology of members of Congress by tracking what they vote for and whom they vote with, Harris has been one of the most liberal members of the Senate since arriving in 2017, sitting reliably alongside Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Cory Booker atop the rankings.
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https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/all-enemies-foreign-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/military-wont-save-us-and-you-shouldnt-want-them/167661/
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https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/all-enemies-foreign-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/military-wont-save-us-and-you-shouldnt-want-them/167661/
It's part of their plan.
https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/03/will-joe-biden-start-a-civil-war-if-he-loses-the-way-clinton-did-in-2016-n744837
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https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/all-enemies-foreign-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/military-wont-save-us-and-you-shouldnt-want-them/167661/
It's part of their plan.
https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/03/will-joe-biden-start-a-civil-war-if-he-loses-the-way-clinton-did-in-2016-n744837
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/08/13/would-the-military-side-with-leftist-tyranny-or-with-america-n2574175
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https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/592674974818072
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Like I posted:
Kamalah Harris like Clinton:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/14/donald-trump-kamala-harris-bad-version-hillary/
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https://www.axios.com/trump-cuts-biden-lead-cnn-poll-election-a8785d9c-8d48-42ef-942f-4a1cc39734dc.html?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13353
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/17/nolte-21-point-shift-away-biden-with-non-white-vote-kamala-pick/
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rump, Biden and Taiwan
America’s commitment to the island should be a campaign issue.
By The Editorial Board
Aug. 14, 2020 6:51 pm ET
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The logo of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp (TSMC) in Hsinchu, Taiwan.
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China’s Communist Party crackdown on Hong Kong gets more menacing by the day. This week’s roundup of democracy advocates including publisher Jimmy Lai is the latest assault on the once-free city, and hardliners in Beijing see Taiwan as the next prize. Given the possibility of a showdown over Taiwan in the next four years, the nature of America’s commitment to the island ought to make more than a passing appearance in the 2020 presidential campaign.
Taiwan’s importance to America’s Pacific alliances has long been recognized. If the U.S. allowed Taipei to fall under Beijing’s control—official or de facto—states like Vietnam would doubt America’s commitment to their independence and draw closer to China. If Beijing can then pry established allies like Japan away from the U.S., the Communist Party would be well on its way to regional hegemony.
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Beyond traditional grand strategy, Taiwan now has a special significance because of its technological prowess. TSMC, based in Taiwan, is the world’s leading manufacturer of semiconductors, and it is consolidating its position. Its shares have surged this summer and U.S.-based Intel announced recently it might exit the chip-manufacturing business.
That puts Taiwan in the middle of the U.S.-China tech rivalry. China aims to lead the world in high-tech products and it has relied on computer chips made by TSMC. The U.S. is also wooing TSMC, which announced in May it would open a factory in Arizona. U.S. sanctions are making it impossible for China’s Huawei to buy chips from TSMC. Political scientist Graham Allison has speculated that Beijing may see the tech rivalry as cause to take control of the island and its flagship company by force.
Which brings us back to U.S. politics. China has been intensifying its military exercises near Taiwan, and coercion or even an assault of some kind rank high among the national-security crises the next President may face.
The Trump Administration has given a sense of its policy approach. It approved the sale of advanced F-16s to Taiwan after the Obama Administration refused, and it is considering the sale of SeaGuardian surveillance drones as well as missiles and mines. Over the weekend Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar visited Taipei in a rare and politically significant show of cabinet-level support.
Yet President Trump’s transactional relationship with allies worries some Taiwanese. His impulse to retrench militarily—including threatening to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea—may also embolden Beijing.
One productive step a Biden Administration might take on this front is joining and renegotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership on trade to strengthen U.S. alliances with a path for Taiwan to join. China isn’t part of the TPP but Mr. Trump walked away from the pact.
A major question is whether a Biden Administration would return to the Obama Administration’s more distant relationship with Taipei for fear of offending Beijing. Top Biden foreign-policy adviser Antony Blinken, who would likely have a senior post in the Administration, said in a May CBS interview he hoped the U.S. could “get that balance back” in its relationship with China and Taiwan. He wouldn’t say if Mr. Biden would take a phone call with Taiwan’s president.
Mr. Biden has had dovish foreign-policy instincts for decades, and in 2001 he rebuked George W. Bush for saying the U.S. would defend Taiwan if attacked. But popular and elite American views on China have shifted as Beijing is more openly aggressive, and Michèle Flournoy, a top contender for secretary of Defense in a Biden Administration, wrote recently about the necessity of strong U.S. deterrence in the Western Pacific.
The candidates should be pressed to explain their views on Taiwan beyond platitudes about warm feelings. The island is at the center of a great-power rivalry, and voters deserve to hear how the next President would handle it.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-trump-ad-questions-bidens-mental-faculties-devastating-after-clips
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Strange times we live in. I caught the last half hour last night including the two keynote speakers, Bernie and Michelle O. As I came in (ABC) Chris Christie was on quite a rant about John Kasich, that out of 49 other Governors when he ran for President, none of them endorsed him. Biden will be sorry Kasich got his phone number. Kind of defused whatever Kasich just said about choosing Biden over Trump.
In Bernie's speech I would like to go back through the laundry list of socialist agenda items he knows Joe will do as President. He mentions opponents being deniers of science, then goes on to deny the science of economics all the way through.
I listened carefully to Michelle Obama distort facts to her favor. Nice presentation of a very weak case. Likely to have no lasting impact except to call her out as a blatant left side partisan. Here's a big fact that might affect a successful black woman with empathy for others, Trump reduced the black unemployment rate to the lowest ever. Hmmm. No mention, obviously, it doesn't fit her twisted, selective fact story. She had some rants in that mostly soothing voice talk that were all BS. Would like to come back to that, time permitting.
Comments?
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did not watch
Kasich has zero future in the Republican Party
Christy Whitman talk yet?
Another loser.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/18/photos-bill-clinton-gets-massage-from-jeffrey-epstein-accuser/
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(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9c8874-805e-4847-b38f-459551dd84df_275x324.png)
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-official-2020-democratic-national
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*RUSSIA*
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-putin-fan-mail-083627539.html
this shocking to see
for someone who was trying or did build hotel in Moscow. :roll:
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*RUSSIA*
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-putin-fan-mail-083627539.html
this shocking to see
for someone who was trying or did build hotel in Moscow. :roll:
Yes. He was trying to build a hotel in Moscow.
Jump forward to 2017 to the present, what are the policies a Putin co-conspirator Us President would advocate? Trump has done exactly the opposite. Turn the oil market on its ear. Build up our military. Build up NATO. Strengthen East Europe. Sanctions: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/
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Author of Contract with America writes:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-harris-ticket-collapse-newt-gingrich
Newt Gingrich: Biden-Harris ticket will collapse between now and election due to these 3 factors
I expect the Democrats’ Biden-Harris dream will quickly become a nightmare
As an observer of conventions and presidential campaigns going back to 1956, I am confident in predicting that this week’s Democratic National Convention will be the high-water mark before the collapse of the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket.
Three factors will lead to the collapse of the Biden-Harris ticket over the next six weeks.
[Skipping through his first point, Biden's deterioration, people view him unlikely to finish just one term.]
[Second, Kamala Harris is weak choice, doesn't connect. Had 3.5% support OF DEMOCRATS]
Newt: As a presidential candidate, Harris had wavered between embracing the most radical positions and then opportunistically changing to more moderate positions when she got blowback. She was as unreliable in her policy positions as she was in her attacks on Biden. She aggressively attacked Biden on four different occasions and has since repudiated her own words. If Biden is exhausted and hiding in a basement, his running mate is energetically bouncing all over the place with no consistency or reliability.
During the primary, Harris was at 15% support in July 2019. She then dropped as low as 3.5% support by November 2019, according to Real Clear Politics. Even in her home state of California, she had dropped to fourth behind Biden, Warren and Sanders – and was only attracting 8% support from her own constituents before she dropped out. In fact, 61% of Californians thought she ought to drop out of the presidential race, according to a poll by the Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies for the Los Angeles Times.
The Democrats (and propaganda media) believe that she will be powerful in attracting the African American vote. This is undermined by the objective reality that in November 2019, after months of campaigning, a Quinnipiac University poll showed Harris was fourth in attracting Black voters. Biden had 44%, Sanders had 10%, Warren had 8%, and Harris was down to 6% of the Black vote. When Biden was drawing nearly eight Black votes for every vote Harris was getting, so why would the Democrats think adding her to the ticket was a smart idea.
Finally, as the depth of radicalism of the Biden-Harris platform and the Chuck Schumer-Nancy Pelosi legislative agenda become clear to the American people, they will be increasingly alienated from the new radical Democratic Party and its candidates. The increasing radicalism is already beginning to sink in.
Importantly, the real danger to the Democratic ticket is not the general allegation that Biden-Harris is a radical ticket. The real danger to the Democrats is the item-by-item alienation of different groups of Americans based on adopting positions that please radicals but are deeply opposed by most Americans.
The real change in public opinion will begin shortly after the Democratic National Convention as the Trump campaign and its allies (including virtually all Republican candidates) point out these specific threats to specific groups.
Consider these threats:
1. The Biden-Harris commitment to renew the Obama effort to destroy suburban neighborhoods is a direct threat to the peace of mind for two-thirds of the American people – including a large number of African American and Latino suburbanites.
2. Biden-Harris' support of using taxpayer money to pay for abortions through the ninth month of pregnancy is opposed even by many pro-choice Americans (and is a break with Biden’s entire career of supporting the Hyde Amendment, which bars taxpayer money from paying for abortions).
3. The commitment in HR 6800, which 207 House Democrats supported and Biden endorsed, to pay coronavirus relief payments to some people in the country illegally is deeply unpopular.
4. Biden’s commitment to Beto O’Rourke that he could pursue gun control (recall, O’Rourke wants compulsory confiscation going door-to-door) will alienate virtually all Second Amendment supporters.
5. The Democratic mayors and district attorneys (many elected with George Soros’ money) represent a pro-criminal future that is exploding into violence. As Democrats continue to publicly praise soft on crime prosecutors and cry “defund the police,” the choice in November will become pro-police vs. pro-criminal, and there is a huge majority against violence.
6. The teachers’ unions own the Democratic Party, and their blackmail approach to reopening schools is isolating them from Americans. Remember: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis earned 18 percent of Black female votes against a Black Democratic opponent on the issue of school choice.
The list goes on, but these first six radical, alienating ideas give you some notion of how rapidly the support for Biden and Harris may fade.
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I saw part of Barack and all of Kamala's speech.
Compared with the lofty heights he once soared, Obama was unimpressive. His line, Trump only does for himself, ignores some amazing accomplishments for all - that will come out. Nothing new or compelling about why we should vote for Joe. That's disappointing from a man who spent 8 years with him behind the scenes. He's a decent guy, not real bright? The argument he and Michelle make is mostly turnout. We know you all favor our side and we know these candidates aren't great but you need to show up anyway. Ask a friend how to vote. Ask a friend where to vote. I find that condescending. His target audience follows political conventions but doesn't know how to vote? It's a secret hidden by Republicans? In Democrat cities?? Good grief.
Kamala spoke mostly about playful puppies and apple pie, trying to smile even though it hurts. Do no harm. Don't scare anyone, was the task. Liberals already know you're liberal. She paused for a couple of applause lines in an empty room. Not her fault. Strange times for a convention, viewership down nearly 50% from Hillary's convention.
Handlers wrote her speech, though a lot of it was her family and her path. Obama had more say in his content but the speech is still written by staff. I forgot how goofy his ears look. The caricatures understate them.
Tonight: Joe Biden acceptance speech. Again, written by handlers. This is the big chance for the agenda writers to pivot to the positive message of what Joe (they) will do if elected. Will he include the demand list of Bernie and co. specific policies, or will all the left leaning ideals be kept vague and fuzzy? "Let's end racism." Will they put him out there for an hour with a laundry list of government action items like a Bill Clinton state of the union speech or will they keep it short and sweet? (It will be as short as they think they can get away with.) How directly will he hit Trump? Can they make him look sober and sound coherent? I think it has to be live with a sprinkling of reporters in the room, not pre-recorded, therefore he will have trouble with the delivery. Will he let anyone talk to him in the minutes and days that follow? That's when the gaffes restart and truth comes out.
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" She paused for a couple of applause lines ".
you mean like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0
remember they would do used canned laughter on TV shows since at least the 50s ?
Communist News Network will do this during the
RNC convention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAOd56PI_Pg
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Yes it needed the fake applause but even they couldn't get away with that.
Speaking of canned speech infomercials, Michelle's was taped so far ahead that she couldn't mention Kamala the running mate, not yet announced.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/19/democratic_convention_ignores_the_elephant_in_the_virtual_room_big-city_violence_144005.html
Democratic Convention Ignores the Elephant in the Virtual Room: Big-City Violence
.By John Kass August 19, 2020
Democratic Convention Ignores the Elephant in the Virtual Room: Big-City Violence(Democratic National Convention via AP)
The "We the People"-themed Democratic National Convention, like the Republican one to follow, shows us what America has known for years: that conventions are only infomercials designed to bend reality to political will.
The Democrats bend their reality toward a referendum on President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus, but they bend it away from any mention of growing violence in American big cities run by liberal Democratic administrations.
As I keep telling you, when you hear politicians talking, pay attention to what isn't said. Train your eye to see the negative space between the dancers, because that, too, is often the story.
Urban violence threatens the peace of targeted Democratic suburban voters, like those soccer moms who've just installed police scanner apps on their cellphones. Trump is taking advantage of this, but he didn't create it. What America is witnessing in cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago and New York is a clash between the hard left and the liberal Democratic mayors who lead those cities.
And this Democratic infomercial is all about the swing vote, if there is such a thing, in battleground states, like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Naturally, Democrats accentuate the positive.
Yet as the DNC infomercial makes plain, this new left Democratic Party of 2020 sees only two types: The Oppressed and The Oppressors, a formula that invariably leads to rising conflict and anger that can't be covered over with virtual kindness and virtual empathy.
Former first lady Michelle Obama was the star of the first night, one of the most admired women in America, delivering a stylistically superb speech while sitting down, addressing the nation as a stern yet loving mom, reminding us who has empathy (Democrats) and who in her mind does not (Trump).
The media swooned over her, but then, did you really expect anything other than media swooning? Nevertheless, she gave a fantastic speech, going high on empathy and going low with evisceration of the opponent, though it was taped days before, too early for her to mention Sen. Kamala Harris, the California Democrat, as Joe Biden's vice presidential running mate.
"If you think things cannot possibly get worse, trust me, they can," Michelle Obama said. "If we have any hope of ending this chaos, we have got to vote for Joe Biden like our lives depend on it."
How true. I'm certain that many in the Obama camp feel that way, especially now. Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to plead guilty to the charge he falsified documents to justify continued surveillance of Trump campaign aide Carter Page. And Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham continues his investigation of the Obama administration's alleged political spying on Trump.
Though much of the Washington Beltway media aren't all that interested -- including journalists who won Pulitzers for covering the Democratic Russia collusion theory that fizzled -- the Justice Department seems interested enough.
Sen. Bernie Sanders offered the only moment of real clarity. He condemned Trump for authoritarianism, an odd choice for Sanders, who honeymooned in Soviet-run Moscow, enjoying state-sponsored puppet shows. But he did say that his socialist agenda finally bent establishment Democrats to its will.
"Ideas that were once considered radical only a few years ago are now considered mainstream," Sanders said, applying air quotes around "radical."
Ideas like virtually open borders, free college, the defunding or "reimagining" of police. All of it is predicated on The Big Rock Candy Mountain School of Economics, where all good things flow freely, like the lemonade springs in the Pete Seeger song, without economic consequence.
The challenges for the Democrats in this convention are profound, delivering what are usually rousing, galvanizing speeches to empty rooms. The format provides for little energy, and except for Obama and Sanders, seemed rather like Melatonin TV.
In praising their presidential candidate, Joe Biden, the speakers appeared to drone on and on, from the Google lobbyist to former Republican Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, filmed while standing at a country crossroads, alone.
Kasich, the man without a party, seemed lost at the crossroads, like a character in the old "Twilight Zone." I kept waiting for Rod Serling and a cigarette, or Kasich asking Satan to teach him to play this here guitar. But Kasich didn't have a guitar. He just brought himself. And that wasn't enough.
Republican critics predictably ripped the Democratic convention, but I'm not so sure it was as bad as they said. The Democratic presentations were somber, not packed with energy, but they didn't have to be. The Democrats aren't appealing to Trump's base. They're targeting suburban voters in swing states. Their convention is designed to give those voters a comfortable place to call home in what is shaping up to be a close election. They don't respond well to Trumptastic bombast, something Trump can't grasp.
My only quibble is that the DNC telethon missed a chance to invite one particularly strong woman of color to address the violent big-city elephant in the room.
Carmen Best just resigned as police chief in Seattle, another casualty of the Democratic defunding of police.
"I'm done," Best explained, as she ended her 28-year career.
At the outset of the first night of the convention, moderator Eva Longoria, star of "Desperate Housewives," explained to viewers that, "You are the we, in 'we the people.'"
But if you disagree with the Democrats, are you still of "the people"? Or are you some nonhuman, to be tossed into limbo or the basket of deplorables?
We'll see. That's what this election is about.
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We call this comedy?
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1296615523040530437
"...current VP Mika Pience, Paynce, Ponce, foreign sounding I think. Strongly!"
I think I need it explained to me. Plus missing the drum roll, Bada boom!
And with this they opened their BIG night!
Is that all ya got?
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Trump should offer to Biden that he can bring any number of advisers and handlers to his debate podium. On his side, Trump will be alone to take them all on.
My university physics professor had a rule that you could bring a half sheet of anything you like to all the exams. He didn't care if you could memorize formulas; he wanted to see you apply them to the problems presented.
Biden could use any amount of the 90 seconds allotted to be coached by his handlers before answering.
I think this approach would benefit everyone.
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"We Remixed Billy Porter’s Bizarre DNC Performance for Maximum Honesty."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=qTJzPeg8if4&feature=emb_logo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=Nv7yVCwv6NU&feature=emb_logo
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to investigate the collusion of Dems with the Chinese"
Just wondering.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/nancy-pelosi-house-democrats-propaganda/2020/08/21/id/983400/
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https://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Electoral-College/
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could we imagine the optics of Nancy Pelosi announcing the winner of 2020?
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DNC noted for what was NOT mentioned, continued:
IN SOVIET AMERICA, DEMOCRATS MEMORY HOLE THEMSELVES! Good point: Did anyone notice that President Trump’s impeachment ‘didn’t even warrant a mention’ at the Democratic convention?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/22/good-point-did-anyone-notice-that-president-trumps-impeachment-didnt-even-warrant-a-mention-at-the-democratic-convention/
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/395666/
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Trump will appear in person every night?
One set of advice says go all positive. But he feels he must call out the Biden lies. They have already produced a lot of effective video for that.
Black Lives Matter? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdnXBP4uC-I
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JOE BIDEN
That’s sloppy, Joe.
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden reprised his penchant for borrowing lines from other people’s work this week — apparently relying a bit too heavily on the words of a deceased Canuck party leader during his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, reports said.
Biden concluded his Thursday night speech by saying: “For love is more powerful than hate. Hope is more powerful than fear. Light is more powerful than dark.”
But Canadian media quickly noted that the former veep’s words were uncannily similar to those of Jack Layton, the leader of Canada’s left-wing New Democratic Party, who issued a poignant open letter to his fellow citizens as he lay dying in 2011.
“My friends,” Layton wrote, “Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair.”
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"Trump will appear in person every night?
One set of advice says go all positive. But he feels he must call out the Biden lies."
at least a pubic hair of (pretended) empathy will also help
the Dems pretended that card all 4 days
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Persuasion, Strength, Freedom, and we've been asking for, for over a decade, Clarity. Nikki Haley and Tim Scott could not have been better. [Don Jr. made good points but lacked the empathetic delivery.] The panels of hostages returned and the Jim Jordan speech even gave us what ccp asked for, a look at Donald Trump's empathy. His empathy always seems to convert into action. For one thing, growing the economy IS empathy. Billionaire's don't need that. It's the regular people and struggling people who benefit the most.
I tried to watch the first hour on PBS because the networks didn't cover it. But PBS kept interrupting coverage with their anti-Trump and never-Trump panelists, all of them even the moderator telling us how these pretty good stories are designed to mitigate how badly things really are going for Trump and all his problems.
On ABC, Rahm Emmanuel points out that Clinton actually created more jobs. No one corrects him, that was two terms with all the growth in the second term, and it was called the Gingrich Revolution. Yes, it coincided with flipping the House and Senate Republican. Good points for 2020 Rahm.
Kim Klacek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=97&v=H4rYc3QcPX8&feature=emb_logo
Herschel Walker:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/24/herschel_walker_insulting_when_people_call_donald_trump_racist.html
Dem Rep Vern Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=_MN6x7RpJ1A&feature=emb_logo
Nikki Haley:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/24/nikki_haley_america_is_not_a_racist_country.html
Tim Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbjn2bg1Eus&feature=emb_logo
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"Good points for 2020 Rahm."
:-o. :-o. :-o.
good convention
almost all positive
empathy shown
was good
pitch to minorities good
all the good things Trump has done for them (more then 50 yrs of DEm controlled areas)
but of course the MSM and the rest of the left ignores
i am not sure i trust Nikki Haley though - to much of a Bushie I feel
but overall she is a Republican
Liked the Georgia state rep democrat his speech was better than he is getting credit for
Andrew Pollack very touching
and good points about sec amendment
except Kimberly tried too hard and went way over the top
actually watched part of the time on CNN
which did not cut in like Fox news every minute
surprisingly
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https://news.stonybrook.edu/facultystaff/maverick-modeller-helmut-norpoth-predicts-another-win-for-trump/
"except Kimberly tried too hard and went way over the top"
She's trying out to be Mrs Trump Jr.
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cnn-praises-melania-trump-addressing-coronavirus-racial-unrest-rnc-speech-070404467.html
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They are demanding a $100 trillion dollar 'investment'. That's just our country.
The latest Gallup poll found that only 1% of US adults consider “climate change/environment/pollution” to be “the most important problem facing this country today.” That’s down from a meager 2% in the May 28-June 4 poll.
68% of adult Americans were unwilling to pay even an extra $10 on their monthly electricity bill to combat global warming. (Umm, folks, you already are.)
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/22/the-green-new-deal-means-monumental-disruption/
Ban on fracking - on the ballot.
End of US energy independence - back on the ballot.
Ban on private automobile under your control - coming.
It's not just the cost, they demand we switch to reliance on an intermittent, unreliable, vulnerable grid that doesn't handle what we already put on it.
What is the environmental cost of the batteries that run a US economy on solar after dark?? It depends on whether you mean the economy we have now or the one we will have after they turn us into North Korea:
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/14/article-2725415-2088489900000578-845_964x640.jpg)
Almost invisible: North Korea (the dark area) and South Korea are seen at night in this NASA photograph from the International Space Station
Is THAT what WE want?
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Doug please see my post under pathological science.
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i forgot she was married to newsom
democrat to republican
or player who is politically ac/dc who just likes power?
:|
https://news.yahoo.com/kimberly-guilfoyle-went-san-franciscos-031506609.html
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Here are some key excerpts:
My fellow Americans you deserve to know, Joe Biden criticized President Trump following his decision to rid the world of both of those terrorists [Abu Bakr al-Baghdad and Qassem Soleimani. But it’s not surprising because history records that Joe Biden even opposed the operation that took down Osama Bin Laden.
It’s no wonder Bob Gates, Secretary of defense under the Obama Biden Administration said Joe Biden had “been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”…
Last week, Joe Biden didn’t say one word about the violence and chaos engulfing cities across this country. Let me be clear: the violence must stop — whether in Minneapolis, Portland, or Kenosha….
Joe Biden says America is systemically racist. And that law enforcement in America has a, quote, “implicit bias” against minorities. And when asked whether he’d support cutting funding to law enforcement, and he replied, “Yes, absolutely.”
Joe Biden would double down on the very policies that are leading to unsafe streets and violence in America’s cities. The hard truth is… you won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America. Under President Trump, we will stand with those who stand on the Thin Blue Line, and we’re not going to defund the police — not now, not ever.
Joe Biden has referred to himself as a “transition candidate.” But many are asking: A transition to what? Last week, Democrats didn’t talk much about their agenda, and if I were them, I wouldn’t want to either.
Bernie Sanders, did tell his followers that Joe Biden could be the most liberal President of modern times, and confirmed that, quote, “Many of the ideas we fought for, that just a few years ago were considered radical, are now mainstream” in the Democratic Party.
At the root of their agenda, is the belief that America is driven by envy, not aspiration — that millions of Americans harbor ill-will toward their neighbors, instead of loving our neighbors as themselves. The radical left believes the federal government must be involved in every aspect of our lives to correct those American wrongs. They believe the federal government needs to dictate how Americans live, how we should work, how we should raise our children — and, in the process, deprive our people of freedom, prosperity, and security. Their agenda is based on government control; our agenda is based on freedom.
Where President Trump cut taxes—Joe Biden wants to raise taxes by nearly $4 trillion.
Where this President achieved energy independence for the United States. Joe Biden would abolish fossil fuels, end fracking, and impose a regime of climate change regulations that would drastically increase the cost of living for working families.
Where we fought for free and fair trade this President stood up to China and ended the era of economic surrender.
Joe Biden has been a cheerleader for communist China — wants to repeal all the tariffs that are leveling the playing field for American workers and actually criticized President Trump for suspending all travel from China at the outset of this pandemic.
Joe Biden is for open borders; sanctuary cities; and free lawyers and healthcare for illegal immigrants. President Trump has secured our southern border and built nearly 300 miles of the wall.
Joe Biden wants to end school choice. President Trump believes every parent should have the right to choose where their children go to school regardless of their income or area code.
Joe Biden supports taxpayer funding of abortion right up to the moment of birth. President Donald Trump has been the most pro-life President in American history.
When you consider their agenda it’s clear: Joe Biden would be nothing more than a Trojan horse for a radical left.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/vice-president-pences-speech.php
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPieooktWb0
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185017746001#sp=show-clips
For 2024, I'm thinking Tulsi Gabbard vs. Kristi Noem.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/26/jack_brewer_im_fed_up_with_the_way_media_portrays_trump_what_he_has_done_for_black_community.html
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https://twitter.com/wretchardthecat/status/1299144651329290240
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speech "too long"
"boring"
"monotonous"
"not energetic"
" he looked tired and not really into it since he read teleprompter and did not improvise"
( or say something they could make into the contra headline the next morning )
"no one wearing masks"
"disgracing the White House"
etc etc etc
PS I liked the speech ; finally someone to stand up the Left
we will see Nov 3rd if too late or not
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The GOP Tries to Make Its Case
The Republican National Convention was strange, sometimes compelling.
By Peggy Noonan
Aug. 27, 2020 11:39 pm ET
It was a real insane-a-thon. It was genuinely moving. It didn’t avoid big issues. It led with a lie. It was a success in that it will have pleased the base and done some degree of outreach to others.
The parts of the Republican National Convention that were crazy included but were not limited to:
“Trump is the bodyguard of Western civilization,” said Charlie Kirk. “The frontier, the horizon, even the stars belong to us,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz. I’m still recovering from Kimberly Guilfoyle’s screaming. It was like seeing Eva Peron in an extended manic episode running from balcony to balcony warning the descamisados to stay armed, the oligarchs are coming. This was unfortunate because it was the first night and if Ms. Guilfoyle seemed insane, Republicans seemed insane.
They reduced the White House to a stage set for a political convention, which had never been done before. Had it never been done because all previous presidents were unimaginative? Why, no. It had never been done because they had some class. By tradition and long custom the two parties are political constructs that exist outside and apart from the peoples’ house. Maintaining the boundary protected that house’s standing as a place higher than politics to which all have recourse. “I fly from petty tyrants to the throne.”
Republicans will see the civic sin of this when the Democrats do it, as they will. For now they say, “Huh, it’s all politics there anyway.” It is, pretty much. But it’s healthy to pretend otherwise. “Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.” You’ll miss that tribute when it’s fully gone.
Some speakers decried elitist-insider nepotism. Others introduced the Trump children.
We are not a third-rate banana republic but at the moment we’re imitating one.
The president’s leadership in the coronavirus epidemic was lauded as timely and visionary. This is the big lie mentioned above. He denied the threat, lied with an almost pleasing abandon, especially about testing, and when forced to focus held bumbling daily briefings that only made things worse.
It was a mistake to insist it was a success. That ship has sunk.
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What lifted the convention was the normal people who spoke, who were moving and provided the policy ballast the politicians often did not. More than half the speakers were homespun policy nerds in the way Americans learn to be now. We heard—and it was compelling—about U.S. timber and forestry regulation, lobster quotas, FDA protocols regarding permissions for the terminally ill to access experimental treatments, and breakthroughs in tele-health services. It was not all granular. Rebecca Friedrichs, a veteran California public school educator, painted the teachers unions as a reactionary force. “They spend hundreds of millions annually to defeat charter schools and school choice.” They do. It’s odd we don’t speak of this anymore since school choice is so crucial to so many.
Maximo Alvarez, who fled Cuba when young, looked at the protests that have been sweeping our cities for three months and said, “I have seen people like this before. I’ve seen movements like this before. I’ve seen ideas like this before.” It reminded him of a man long ago: Fidel Castro.
A convicted bank robber, Jon Ponder, became a religious man, changed his life, and started a prisoner re-entry program. He was issued a pardon by Mr. Trump, live, the FBI agent who’d befriended Mr. Ponder standing with him. If you weren’t moved by it you don’t do moved.
Abby Johnson, formerly of Planned Parenthood, gave the most compelling speech on abortion, explaining why pro-life people stand where they stand, that has ever been given at any convention anywhere. Nick Sandmann, the libeled teenager who did nothing wrong when the Native-American activist banged a drum in his face, spoke, entirely believably, on why Americans do not trust the media.
Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina was impressive.
He too spoke for school choice. “A quality education is the closest thing to magic in America.” It had changed his life. He and his brother were sons of a single mother; they lived with relatives and slept three in the bed. He got an education, went into business, ran for Congress in an overwhelmingly white district in Charleston and beat the field, included the son of former-Sen. Strom Thurmond. How did a black man who started with nothing do that? “Because of the evolution of the Southern heart.” That is a beautiful phrase.
Mr. Scott said his grandfather would have been 99 this week. That old man had suffered indignities; no one had even bothered to teach him to read and write. But he lived to see his grandson become the first African-American elected to both the U.S. House and Senate. “Our family went from cotton to Congress in one lifetime,” he said, with an air of what seemed fresh wonder.
It was beautiful, and affectionate about America to the point of tenderness.
The Republicans confronted what the Democrats at their convention glossed over: rising crime, looting and rioting in city protests, increased unease about personal safety, and besieged police forces. They hit on the one fear shared equally now by the rich, the poor and the middle: that when you call 911 you’ll go to voicemail. Someone literally used that image.
Social media is sharing the videos of diners at outside restaurants being swarmed by BLM protesters who try to harass and bully them into raising their arms in affiliation. There are videos of protesters marching on so-called gentrified neighborhoods at night, telling those who live there, through bullhorns, that they’re guilty of appropriation. There aren’t a lot of these videos but they carry a suggestion of where things are going. Rep. Debbie Dingell (D. Mich.), made an acute observation this week to Gideon Rachman in the Financial Times. She said in her district there are a lot of signs saying Blue Lives Matter—cops matter too. On voter sentiment she quoted a viral social media post: “I used to think I was pretty much just a regular person. But I was born white into a two-parent household, which now labels me as privileged, racist, and responsible for slavery.”
This country is full of law-abiding people of all colors who are appalled by Donald Trump. It is political malpractice to push them toward him.
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the controversial couple who recently met protesters on or near their property in St. Louis with guns, looking in the photos provocative and nutty, gave their side of the story: They were trying to protect their home from what they thought was immediate danger. They spoke against violence, defunding the police, and ending the cash bail system.
Andrew Pollack, the father of a teenage daughter killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., eviscerated the liberal school and police policies that he believes contributed to his daughter’s death. “Far left Democrats in our school district made this shooting possible.”
Democratic political professionals must have found all this pretty powerful because almost immediately Democratic candidates began to decry the violence with what might be called increased vigor.
The president spoke also. The headline on his acceptance speech was the staggering degradation of the White House as his rally prop. The subhead is that he smacked Joe Biden around like a ruffian. It’s going to be something to see them debate. That will be one intensely human encounter.
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/08/28/and-just-like-that-joe-biden-and-the-democrats-stopped-liking-riots-n857837
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/08/28/and-just-like-that-joe-biden-and-the-democrats-stopped-liking-riots-n857837
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/389877.php
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I formerly admired Peggy Noonan. Sounds like she is grudgingly coming back around. Biden isn't the guy you cross over for and Trump has governed WAY better than anyone could have expected.
Just picking out the positive [from Crafty's post]:
What lifted the convention was the normal people who spoke, who were moving and provided the policy ballast the politicians often did not. More than half the speakers were homespun policy nerds in the way Americans learn to be now. We heard—and it was compelling—about U.S. timber and forestry regulation, lobster quotas, FDA protocols regarding permissions for the terminally ill to access experimental treatments, and breakthroughs in tele-health services. It was not all granular. Rebecca Friedrichs, a veteran California public school educator, painted the teachers unions as a reactionary force. “They spend hundreds of millions annually to defeat charter schools and school choice.” They do. It’s odd we don’t speak of this anymore since school choice is so crucial to so many.
Maximo Alvarez, who fled Cuba when young, looked at the protests that have been sweeping our cities for three months and said, “I have seen people like this before. I’ve seen movements like this before. I’ve seen ideas like this before.” It reminded him of a man long ago: Fidel Castro.
A convicted bank robber, Jon Ponder, became a religious man, changed his life, and started a prisoner re-entry program. He was issued a pardon by Mr. Trump, live, the FBI agent who’d befriended Mr. Ponder standing with him. If you weren’t moved by it you don’t do moved.
Abby Johnson, formerly of Planned Parenthood, gave the most compelling speech on abortion, explaining why pro-life people stand where they stand, that has ever been given at any convention anywhere. Nick Sandmann, the libeled teenager who did nothing wrong when the Native-American activist banged a drum in his face, spoke, entirely believably, on why Americans do not trust the media.
Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina was impressive.
He too spoke for school choice. “A quality education is the closest thing to magic in America.” It had changed his life. He and his brother were sons of a single mother; they lived with relatives and slept three in the bed. He got an education, went into business, ran for Congress in an overwhelmingly white district in Charleston and beat the field, included the son of former-Sen. Strom Thurmond. How did a black man who started with nothing do that? “Because of the evolution of the Southern heart.” That is a beautiful phrase.
Mr. Scott said his grandfather would have been 99 this week. That old man had suffered indignities; no one had even bothered to teach him to read and write. But he lived to see his grandson become the first African-American elected to both the U.S. House and Senate. “Our family went from cotton to Congress in one lifetime,” he said, with an air of what seemed fresh wonder.
It was beautiful, and affectionate about America to the point of tenderness.
The Republicans confronted what the Democrats at their convention glossed over: rising crime, looting and rioting in city protests, increased unease about personal safety, and besieged police forces. They hit on the one fear shared equally now by the rich, the poor and the middle: that when you call 911 you’ll go to voicemail. Someone literally used that image.
Social media is sharing the videos of diners at outside restaurants being swarmed by BLM protesters who try to harass and bully them into raising their arms in affiliation. There are videos of protesters marching on so-called gentrified neighborhoods at night, telling those who live there, through bullhorns, that they’re guilty of appropriation.
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/rnc-protest-video-barcelona
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/rnc-protest-video-barcelona
"The video is part of a pattern of Trump and his supporters portraying BLM protests as violent."
- Umm, they are violent.
False photos should NOT have been used. Hardly necessary with 1500 buildings destroyed in Minneapolis alone.
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Among those bailed out by the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF) is a suspect who shot at police, a woman accused of killing a friend, and a twice convicted sex offender, according to court records reviewed by the FOX 9 Investigators.
According to attempted murder charges, Jaleel Stallings shot at members of a SWAT Team during the riots in May. Police recovered a modified pistol that looks like an AK-47. MFF paid $75,000 in cash to get Stallings out of jail.
Darnika Floyd is charged with second degree murder, for stabbing a friend to death. MFF paid $100,000 cash for her release.
Christopher Boswell, a twice convicted rapist, is currently charged with kidnapping, assault, and sexual assault in two separate cases. MFF paid $350,00 [sic] in cash for his release
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/
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"."The video is part of a pattern of Trump and his supporters portraying BLM protests as violent."
- Umm, they are violent."
The media already FULL FORCE showing Biden suddenly condemn the violence and pretend he is for law and order
And going bonkers with all DJT tweets and ad lib comments
demanding DJT condemn racism
and cave to all the Left's demands otherwise he is stoking anger division and racism
nothing like almost the entire media political complex carrying all the water for one party .
interesting :
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/08/31/trump-i-dont-want-my-supporters-confronting-protesters/
I did not see this at all on MSLSD or Commie NN this am:
Trump calling for his defenders of property
not to confront BLM
let the police do it even though they are not allowed to under Dem rule
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/08/31/trump-i-dont-want-my-supporters-confronting-protesters/
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What if the 270th vote comes Minnesota? Cornerstone of the former blue wall, it's been 48 years since a Republican took it. If you don't count Nixon in '72 who governed like a Democrat, it's been 64 years since Eisenhower won Minnesota. No Republican has won any statewide election since 2006. Right now it is truly a toss up and Joe Biden has barely begun to implode.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-minnesota-could-be-the-next-midwestern-state-to-go-red/
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https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-finger-in-the-dike-election/
aug 31, 2020
The Finger in the Dike Election
by Angelo M. Codevilla
On September 11, 2001, United Airlines Flight 93’s passengers defied armed hijackers and fought to take over the cockpit regardless of danger or odds because they realized that certain death was the alternative. Michael Anton’s 2016 essay “The Flight 93 Election,” written for the Claremont Review of Books and later expanded into a book, argued that although Americans did not know what kind of president Donald Trump would be, they should risk all to elect him because they could be very sure that the alternative would be our republic’s death.
In his new book, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return, Anton, now a lecturer and research fellow at Hillsdale College, again urges Americans to vote for Trump, disappointed though they may be with his performance, because they know even better than before how much this country’s ruling class would use control of the presidency to hurt us in our private and public lives for having dared to reject their mastery. Trump, imperfect as he is, is like a finger in a dike that, if removed, would loose a deluge. Anton describes how the Democratic Party-led complex of public-private power has been transforming our free, decent, and prosperous country into its opposite—and how it’s going to do to the rest of America what it has already largely accomplished in California. In the book’s final chapters, he lays out several paths that the current struggle for America’s future might take.
Anton’s commentary on the 2020 election does not belabor the obvious: it is a binary choice. The unprecedented level of opposition President Trump has faced explains, but does not excuse, some of his shortcomings. As Anton puts it: “[t]here’s little wrong with President Trump that more Trump couldn’t solve.” Then he adds what is really radically new about the 2020 election: should the Democrats win, the ruling Left—which includes just about everyone who controls American government and society’s commanding heights—is ready, willing, and eager to implement plans that would make it virtually impossible for conservatives ever to win national elections again. These plans include the importation and counting of non-citizen voters. Elections-by-mail would shift power from voters to those who count the votes, just like in Venezuela. Though reelecting Trump makes the republic’s survival possible, and preserves all manner of good options, it guarantees nothing. Trump’s defeat guarantees disaster—like in 2016, only much more so.
The bulk of this well-written book juxtaposes accounts of life under what had been the American constitutional regime with the ruling-class politics that have gone a long way to destroy it. It opens with a bittersweet description of California, then and now. Anton, a young man, is old enough to remember it a near-paradise. Those of a certain age have even more idyllic memories of the Golden State’s unrivaled beauty and plenty, crowned by freedom, ease, and safety. Millions flocked to work and raise families here.
Yet in 2020 productive middle-class families are fleeing California—so much so that the state will probably lose a seat in the House of Representatives after this year’s census. And all because its government—controlled by oligarchs in the entertainment and high-tech industries, as well as the state bureaucracy and public sector labor unions—raised taxes, imposed regulations, let public services decay, stopped defending against criminals, and empowered left-wing social activists. Today’s California is for government-favored oligarchs and those who service them. You want a career? If you don’t conform every word and action to the ruling orthodoxies, your work and talents will be wasted. You want your children to grow up intelligent and decent? The schools will teach them little reasoning and much depravity. Like you, they will also learn to compete by favor-seeking rather than by performance. You see crime rising, sense that you have to protect yourself, but know that, in most of the state, the police will arrest you for it. And you are sick of paying for it all. That is why you want to emigrate from California into the United States of America.
Having held up California as the example of what full-throttle liberalism looks like, Anton offers a defense of the American regime in the face of criticisms from what one might call the nativist Right as well as from the Left. Impressive in its logic and concise in its comprehensiveness, it shows the partial truths on which these critiques are based in the full light of history. All that the United States is really does follow from the founding generation’s understanding of human beings’ inalienable equality before God. The principle of majority rule has no other foundation. Already by the time of the founding, however, America, like every other nation, had acquired a distinct character—language, religion, and customs—that it meant to preserve and defend. A nation of immigrants, to be sure. But the country was never open to just anybody for any reason. Anton cites the 1795 Naturalization Act that specifies agreement with the Constitution and disposition to help the country as conditions for admission. For almost 200 years the Constitution, the American people’s basic “deal” with one another, channeled our strivings and disagreement into deliberations and compromises that allowed us to live the mostly decent lives our culture prescribed. Adherence to its restraints preserved our capacity to continue dealing with problems in more or less predictable freedom.
But, beginning in the 1930s, America’s ruling class pushed aside the Constitution, reducing to a bad joke the civics class description of the regime: “Congress makes the laws, the President enforces them, and the courts resolve individual disputes about them.” In today’s America, Anton writes,
The real power…resides not with elected (or appointed) officials and “world leaders”; they—or most of them—are a servant class. The real power resides with their donors, the bankers, CEOs, financiers, and tech oligarchs—some of whom occasionally run for and win office, but most of whom, most of the time, are content to buy off those who do. The end result is the same either way: economic globalism and financialization, consolidation of power in an ostensibly “meritocratic” but actually semi-hereditary class, livened up by social libertinism.
This ruling class now explicitly denies that “all men are created equal.” It asserts for itself the right to rule by decree by virtue of expertise, and the power to assign different rights and obligations to classes of people, “protected” and less so.
Despising any divine or natural authority and contemptuous of America’s history, those in the ruling class make war on the American people’s culture and national identity. Ironically, this ruling class, led almost exclusively by white men, have cast white men in general as the proper targets of universal vengeance—an inversion of reality sustained by a near-monopoly of power over corrupt institutions and mass communications. Anton’s section on “Propaganda and Censorship: Narrative, Megaphone, and Muzzle” is particularly worth reading.
He then proceeds to a CT scan of the ruling class and its entourage. Detailed understanding of its components’ relations to one another is essential to understanding the book’s main argument about the how this class might weather the challenges that its own increasing power creates. Anton’s description of the ruling class—of its intellectual/social origins, its organic and patronage connection with government, its clientelistic relationship with its various components—is consistent with my 2010 book of that title, but it is richer and livelier in its detail. It leaves no doubt about the fraud at the heart of this class’s claim of authority:
Their own fancy degrees are proof of their superior intelligence, which in turn is the foundation of their title to rule. Intelligence is not simply a matter of ability but also of opinions and tastes: smart people all think the same way about the most important things because to be smart is to understand, and to understand is to agree. Therefore those who disagree are either dumb or—if obviously intelligent in a raw-horsepower way—crazy…. [T]he ruling class makes a desultory effort to find outsider talent—especially from “protected classes”—to welcome into the ranks. That way they can deny the otherwise obvious, and grave, charge that they are a self-perpetuating closed caste…. But mostly the ruling class replenishes itself from within…. Harvard today has a legacy admissions rate of nearly 30 percent…. This is the ruling class taking care of its own. For all the paeans to “diversity,” this is what it’s really all about. As the dean of Harvard College…explained when challenged on why upper-income students outnumber poorer kids six-to-one, “We’re not trying to mirror the socioeconomic or income distribution of the United States.” …[N]ext in line are promising members of certain demographic groups…by far the most underserved demographic on elite campuses are rural and red-state whites—a fact confirmed by simply comparing National Merit Scholarship data (a record of the highest-achieving high school seniors every year) with elite college admission rates by race and region.
This ruling class wants, above all, to insulate itself from competition. Hence, not only does it allow access to its ranks only to non-threatening, somewhat inferior successors, it does its best to denature, defang, and dishearten the ruled. Anton observes:
The current porn-drug tsunami is an evil much too great and deliberate to be called a failure. Its purpose is to deaden you—to drain you of any sense of dignity, self-worth, fighting spirit, or inner belief that you are worthy of respect. Above all, it’s to render you unwilling to stand up and demand—to fight for—what you’re owed as a human being and citizen.
Holding together its own subordinates, controlling its instruments—its hands and feet—is an even bigger concern for the ruling class. Anton examines this problem from a novel angle. Instead of asking what the heads of the class can do to control their several presumed demographic components—blacks, unmarried women, bureaucrats, etc.—he asks what motivates all their members. In each and in all of these demographics, some just “want stuff,” others are committed to “woke” ideological agendas, and yet others simply want to avenge their hate. The heads of the class have bet that they can satisfy all these motivations by giving just enough to each in order to keep them in line while they enjoy the perquisites of power. But then Anton asks:
Even if the ruling class can, Brazil-like, retreat behind walls, gates, helicopter pads, and armed guards to spare themselves actual violence, what happens to the surrounding economy on which their wealth and status depend? What happens when and if the Freeloaders are fully fed? Wokerati enthusiasm fully indulged? Avenger animosities taken to their logical extremes?
This is the subject of Chapters 6 and 7.
But before we get there, Anton gives us a remarkable chapter on how thoroughly latter-day immigration has scrambled all things American. His point is that the past half-century’s immigration—very differently from our prior policy—seems to have been intended to do just that. This, he argues, not only degrades ordinary Americans’ lives, it also throws a wild card into the ruling class’s own plans for control—of which their approach to immigration is arguably the key element. In short, the ruling class has unleashed a bunch of tigers on America, which for now it is riding. Whether and for how long it can stay on their backs and not end up in their bellies is an open question. This is true, Anton ably shows, whether present trends continue (the subject of Chapter 6) or even if they don’t (Chapter 7). He has already left no doubt that the odds are stacked in favor of the ruling class continuing its dismantling of America as we knew it—that for most of us the result is likely to be worse than California with lousy weather. With these two chapters he turns his attention to how the odds might play out in the face of problems with the rulers’ own constituencies or with resistance by conservatives.
Had he conceived these chapters once the ruling class’s mid-2020 offensive had flourished, the turbo-charging effect that this offensive has had on ruling class constituencies might well have convinced him to collapse them into one because it is now beyond anyone’s capacity more or less gently to ride the past decades’ trends to total power. Even if increased ruling class power were to augment rather than diminish the U.S. economy’s capacity to deliver more “stuff” to the rulers’ “freeloaders”; even if the rulers could fulfill every woke fantasy yet uttered, or hurt every known conservative, the freeloaders now so accustomed to taking could not stay sated, and new awokenings would conjure new fantasies. The destruction of enemies has never failed to whet the insatiable appetite for more. At this point, policing their own would require our rulers to be copies of Stalin. They don’t have the grit for that.
They do not believe they have to worry about controlling their own violent troops because they are sure that they have nothing to fear from conservatives. That is because conservatives have continued to believe that the United States’s institutions and those who run them retain legitimacy. Conservative complaisance made possible a half-century of Progressive rule’s abuse. The War on Poverty ended up enriching its managers while expanding the underclass that voted for them. The civil rights movement ended up entitling a class of diversity managers to promote their friends and ruin their opponents. The environmental movement ended up empowering the very same wealthy, powerful folks while squeezing the rest of America into cookie cutter living and paying inflated energy prices. The feminist movement delivered divorce and abortion—far from benefiting women, it has made millions dependent on ruling class favor. The COVID-19 pandemic has had almost nothing to do with public health and almost everything to do with separating, impoverishing, and disconnecting people inclined to vote against the ruling class. As leftist judges rule, conservatives respond by appointing judges who pledge not to rule. As leftist governors establish their brand of effective sovereignty by decree, conservative ones obey court orders. So long as, and to the degree that, the illusion of legitimacy stands—so long as the Right obeys while the Left disobeys and commands—there is no end to what the Left can do because there is so little that conservatives do to fight back.
But, as Michael Anton reminds us, things that can’t go on indefinitely almost surely won’t. The combination of the ruling class constituents’ fired-up insatiability, the rulers’ inability to control them, and the limits of conservative Americans’ patience is sure to cause a crisis that ends up in some kind of “Caesarism” of the Left or the Right.
Speculating on what such a crisis might be is not terribly useful because revolutionary scenarios are really all alike, and have been described countless times in similar terms: All sides are readier than they know to pursue their desires by dispensing with order. Something happens that inflames one side and challenges the other. Somebody gets killed. All bets are off.
Consider the 2020 election. In July, the Democratic National Committee engaged some 600 lawyers to litigate the outcome, possibly in every state. No particular outcome of such litigations is needed to set off a systemic crisis. The existence of the litigations themselves is enough for one or more blue state governors to refuse to certify that state’s electors to the Electoral College, so as to prevent the college from recording a majority of votes for the winner. In case no winner could be confirmed by January’s Inauguration Day, the 20th Amendment provides that Congress would elect the next president. Who doubts that, were Donald Trump the apparent winner, and were Congress in Democratic hands, that this would be likelier than not to happen?
Before or afterward, were conservatives not unanimously to roll over, and were a few incidents to result in loss of life and conflict between police forces on opposite sides of the affairs, America might well experience an explosion of pent-up rage less like the American Civil War of the 19th century and more like the horror that bled Spain in the 20th.
This review is a special preview of the forthcoming Fall 2020 issue of the Claremont Review of Books.
Angelo M. Codevilla is a senior fellow of the Claremont Institute and professor emeritus of International Relations at Boston University.
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Biden: "Do I look like a radical socialist?" - Honestly Joe, you look like the photo your wife pointed to when you went under the plastic surgeon knife. Does AOC look like a radical socialist? Did Hugo Chavez? Do you really want us to judge you by your looks? Even with all the work done, you will be older on your first day than President Reagan was on his last day. Would you like to go over all the things Democrats said about him as he aged?
Biden said on Monday: “I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right,”
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/09/02/heres-how-we-know-biden-isnt-sincere-about-condemning-violence/
Strange that for all four days of the Democrat convention, he didn't. They didn't. Instead he picked a running mate that directly supported the violence verbally and financially.
Skin in the game: Biden still leads significantly in the polls but Trump just passed Biden up with the betting odds in Vegas.
If it's a toss up now, who wins in November? The facts favor Trump. The debates favor Trump. The recovering economy favors Trump. The improvements on the virus front favor Trump. The ideological overdose of the Democratic Party favors Trump. The videos of Leftists burning buildings favors Trump. The rising approval rate among black Americans favors Trump. Campaign internal polling favors Trump (or why would Biden be condemning violence and traveling to Pittsburgh, Kenosha). The Middle East peace agreement favors Trump. His strength standing up to China favors Trump. Likewise for Iran. All these economic, domestic and foreign policy issues feed into the trouble Biden will face in the debates, even if he can show up coherent and full strength. He can't defend his record, or match his opponents'.
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"Biden still leads significantly in the polls but Trump just passed Biden up with the betting odds in Vegas."
The new insurance policy :
mail in ballot fraud
while the MSM calls this some conspiracy fake news theory
already debunked by Don the Lemon et al.
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It's still Biden's race to lose, as they say. Lots of polls show him still leading.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/dead-heat-trump-erases-bidens-8-point-lead-in-pennsylvania-as-black-voters-abandon-democrat
Also, the 27% Trump black support changes the dynamic of the race.
The Democrats are known for their massive get out the vote efforts in urban areas and vote harvesting. If you assume the people who strongly support Biden or strongly oppose Trump already voted, the last days of getting out the vote are bringing people to the polls who might vote either way this year, instead of people who historically voted 98% Democrat. This changes everything IMHO.
Nate Silver rates the race a tossup if Biden wins the popular vote by 2-3%. Hillary won the popular vote by 2.2%. Trump is consistently polling ahead of where he was in 2016 at this time. And Biden is at least as prone as anyone alive to committing unforced errors.
Most polls call registered voters at this point. Rasmussen polls 'likely voters'.
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Very promising news about the black vote.
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https://patriotpost.us/articles/73220-no-trump-did-not-advocate-voter-fraud-2020-09-04?mailing_id=5288&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.5288&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gtdEeDUkbBE&feature=emb_logo
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at least 2 get money from the Left to bash Trump
while the third one lost big to Rand Paul and is a no namer:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/03/washington-post-op-ed-american-prepare-war-election-night-2020-donald-trump-joe-biden/
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Have we always been at war with Eastasia?
Their core principle is not the environment, the economy or honesty.
Yes I'll Flipflop with Joe, or is it lie to get elected.
https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/09/07/kamala-harris-flip-flops-on-fracking-after-polls-tighten-in-pennsylvania-n899077
They don't care what they have to say to get elected.
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https://www.ajc.com/news/business/wes-moss-comparing-bidens-proposed-tax-plan-vs-trumps-current-policy/WMZNFXISZVHMZKWSU7AMY7CSWI/
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/exclusive-zach-fuentes-top-aide-to-john-kelly-denies-atlantic-story-about-trump/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200907
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200907
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Griffin cited two anonymous former “senior” U.S. officials in her reporting, saying they confirmed “key parts” of The Atlantic‘s story. However, she added that the sources could not confirm “the most salacious” part.
wait a second, two people who state the President made comments are suddenly unimpeachable ?
and no mention of clarifying what is "key parts" or "the most salacious"
this is total double talk
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?action=post;topic=2647.800;last_msg=128277
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"a lightning-in-a-bottle victory over a fatally flawed opponent". - Hindsight, 'unexpected' win in Michigan 2016, Tim Alberta, Politico. Depending on how it turns out now, wouldn't you say the exact same thing - after the fact.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/08/swing-states-2020-presidential-election-409000
Oops, what happened to Iowa and Ohio, no longer battleground, having nothing specific to do with Iowa and Ohio. Doesn't that mean advantage Trump in neighboring states with similarities, MN, WI, MI and PA. Obama also won Indiana. How come Biden doesn't try to win that one back? Because the heart of the Midwest is already lost? Won't picking a San Francisco liberal running mate, furthest Left Senator, help win it back? Slow Joe thought California was the battleground.
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https://apnews.com/881c098ab2847dea9d87604bab9568d6?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=13507
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https://www.dickmorris.com/trump-scores-big-with-hispanics-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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third
Will Courts Pick the Next President?
If the election is close, the fallout could make Bush v. Gore look like an ice-cream social.
By The Editorial Board
Sept. 7, 2020 6:44 pm ET
Georgia’s voting deadline is unambiguous: Absentee ballots are due when the polls close on Election Day. Late arrivals are meant to be set aside, stored, and eventually destroyed without being opened. That’s what state law says, and the way to protect democratic legitimacy in an anxious age is to run elections by the book.
But in the Twilight Zone of 2020, everything is apparently up for grabs. Last Monday a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction that orders Georgia officials to count all ballots postmarked by Election Day, even if they don’t show up until three days later. The suit was filed by the New Georgia Project, a group founded by Democrat Stacey Abrams. The judge expressed a reluctance to “interfere with Georgia’s statutory election machinery,” but she concluded that “the risk of disenfranchisement is great.”
Similar litigation is taking place across the country. Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court last Tuesday accepted a lawsuit filed by the state Democratic Party, and officials suggested last month in a separate case that ballots be counted if they arrive by Nov. 6, even if the postmark is missing or illegible. In Ohio, the League of Women Voters is challenging the process for verifying signatures. Minnesota has waived its rule that absentee ballots must be signed by a witness, and the state Supreme Court is weighing an appeal of that suspension, brought by President Trump’s campaign.
If the presidential election is decided by a whisker, with Donald Trump or Joe Biden leading by some thousands of votes in a few states, a court ruling could prove decisive. The pivotal jurisdictions will be flooded with Republican and Democratic lawyers, and the resulting chaos could resemble the 2000 Florida recount, with smudged postmarks as the new hanging chads.
The simple fact is that mass mail voting introduces slack into the election system. Unrealistic deadlines are one problem. For an election held on Nov. 3, voters in 10 states can request an absentee ballot on Nov. 2, according to a report last week by the U.S. Postal Service’s inspector general. During this year’s primary season, the audit says, more than a million ballots were sent to voters in the seven days before an election, placing them “at high risk” of tardiness.
The Postal Service audit describes how seven USPS processing centers performed from April through June. About 8% of identifiable election and political mail, or 1.6 million pieces, was delivered late. Don’t blame the new Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy: He took over June 15.
Some states try to factor in delays by counting ballot stragglers, up to 10 days late in Ohio, as long as they’re postmarked by Election Day. Alas, the audit finds that “ballots are not always being postmarked as required.” Other hangups abound: A Michigan voting envelope was printed without an address for the correct elections office, which “caused the ballot to be returned to the voter.” Ballots can also be rejected by local workers, who eyeball a voter’s signature to see if it matches the version on file.
In this year’s primaries, according to a tally by NPR, 558,032 absentee votes were tossed out. Al Gore won the nationwide popular vote in 2000 by 543,895. The discarded ballots this spring included 23,196 in Wisconsin, a state Mr. Trump won last time by 22,748. Some states give voters a week, or 14 days in Illinois, to “cure” bad signatures. Yet a study of Florida in 2018 found that mail-vote rejection rates were twice as high for black as for white voters.
The finagling over late ballots and messy signatures might stall the reporting of credible results. About a dozen states, including Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, don’t begin processing absentee votes until Election Day, per the National Conference of State Legislatures. In the absence of a partisan skew, this might not matter. But a recent Journal poll says that 66% of Trump supporters intend to vote in person, compared with 26% of Biden backers.
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On election night, the electoral map might suggest a solid lead for Mr. Trump that is eroded as mail ballots are canvassed. What if Mr. Trump reprises his tweet from six days after Florida’s 2018 elections? “An honest vote count is no longer possible—ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!” Remember Hillary Clinton’s advice this summer: “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out.”
The fight would probably drag out in the courts. Say it’s mid-November, and absentee ballots are being counted in a key state. Although Mr. Trump retains a modest lead, mail votes are breaking 3 to 1 for Mr. Biden. Perhaps the law in this jurisdiction requires ballots to arrive by Election Day, so there’s a pile to the side of thousands of late deliveries. Some are missing postmarks, and it’s not clear when they were mailed. Thousands more have been discarded for suspect signatures, but the rejection rates are higher in urban areas.
The best way to prevent this democratic debacle is to act before things get that far. If states tighten ballot deadlines now and prepare to process mail votes before Election Day, it would cut the risk of an outcome that causes half the country to claim it’s illegitimate. With each lawsuit that puts the count into the hands of judges, this nightmare gets more likely.
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In swing state North Carolina, ballots have already been mailed out to voters. I assume that means they are already being mailed back completed in right now.
Biden folks want the early vote and the mail in vote. One advantage with that: What if voters see Slow Joe implode in the debates on on the trail. They have already voted and can't change their vote. On the flip side, what if Biden really does implode, is recognized as incapacitated in one way or another and they have to change the names on the ballot. Those votes become no good and unchangeable (IMHO). Their ballot does not say current nominee or assigns.
Democrats have about one minute left to change their nominee, or maybe it is too late already if say 1% of North Carolina has already voted.
This happened in a MN Governor race. Republicans replaced a troubled nominee with one week to go. I was leaving the country on business and couldn't vote absentee until they announced the running mate. The ticket wasn't set until Saturday before the Tuesday election, and they won. A write-in vote without the running mate named correctly is not a counted ballot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Minnesota_gubernatorial_election
It could be the running mate that has the problem. Think Thomas Eagleton or the way Spiro Agnew left so suddenly. Kamala Harris isn't so clean or fully vetted either. What if a problem with her suddenly arises? Then every early Biden Harris vote cast becomes a wasted vote. Try to vote again and you are committing a felobny
Someone (Trump) should warn Biden proponents they should wait until the last minute to vote in case this, God forbid, happens.
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Biden losing ground with Hispanics?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article245495835.html
Biden leads Trump in Miami-Dade by 17 points.
Hillary won Miami-Dade by 30 points - and lost Florida.
“If you’re the Biden campaign, looking at these numbers, I think there’s reason for pause,” said Fernand Amandi, the Miami-based pollster and Democratic strategist behind the poll. “If Biden under-performs in what should be one of his strongest counties — and is certainly the largest county for Democratic votes in the state of Florida — it might imperil his chances of winning Florida unless there is a massive white voter exodus from Trump in other parts of the state.”
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Florida Latinos are heavily Cuban with strong anti-commie tendencies.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FLB5vSfGu8
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Florida Latinos are heavily Cuban with strong anti-commie tendencies.
Cuban Yes. Also Puerto Rican and Colombian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanics_and_Latinos_in_Florida
Hispanics 5,809,000
Cuban Origin 26% 1,528,000
Colombian Origin 18% 1,023,000
Puerto Rican Origin 16% 936,000
Mexican Origin 11% 634,000
Other Hispanic Origin 29% 1,688,000
Population of Florida 21.5 million, 27% considered Hispanic.
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Predictions for events coming before the election:
1. Trump brokered peace agreement between Saudi and Israel.
2. Trade agreement Between US and Britain.
3. Record in percentage and numbers, GDP growth 3rd quarter.
4. Unemployment back to single digits.
5. Coronavirus vaccine, reasonably available.
6. Durham indictments.
7. Federal Antifa arrests.
I saw lousy poll numbers for Trump on Sunday shows today. Various states, also who would handle coronavirus better, Biden or Trump. Biden leads. What do they call that, to win the early September polls, a pyrrhic victory or just no victory at all? Joe Biden was leading right before people got to know Joe Biden. If the election were held today, call it a tie. Biden leads in the polling by about the amount of the polling error. If his lead is for good reason, then it will expand and come true. But we know better. Joe Biden doesn't have better character. Doesn't choose his words more carefully. Isn't more skilled politically. And facts don't support his stands and policies. More things like the Woodward book will come out, but nothing to match the events above.
Trump will grow us better out of this than Biden. 100% of the people know that. 51% already admit it. It should become more and more clear down the stretch.
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woodward concludes Trump is not the right man for the job.
why anyone or certainly a Republican President give an interview with Woodward is beyond me.
Just as I feared post RNC convention.
Trump starts tweeting opening his mouth and brings his personality right back front and center:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/politics/bob-woodward-60-minutes-rage/index.html
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woodward concludes Trump is not the right man for the job.
why anyone or certainly a Republican President give an interview with Woodward is beyond me.
Just as I feared post RNC convention.
Trump starts tweeting opening his mouth and brings his personality right back front and center:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/politics/bob-woodward-60-minutes-rage/index.html
The breaking news is that a lifelong Democrat journalist doesn't support the Republican incumbent: OMG!
"Yes. I say the President is the wrong man for the job."
Yes, Trump expressed optimism in the face of a deadly pandemic. And he brought with him on camera the most trusted experts to answer unlimited questions for the American people on all that was known each day..
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Riot-zone voters back Trump 2-1, and most say violence affects vote.
In the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, 63% of voters who have seen violent protests in their community “strongly approve” of the president — just 35% don’t.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/riot-zone-voters-back-trump-2-1-and-most-say-violence-impacts-vote
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[Doug] This is hard to believe since the riots are occurring almost exclusively in deep blue cities and people change their views so slowly. But that said, just a move of 2-3 points makes a world of difference in a close election.
I drove East Lake Street (So. Mpls) Sunday. I am amazed by the streets, buildings and businesses still closed. Convenient places to shop taken from people least able to travel further for basic needs. Saw for the first time the Mpls Police precinct station wreckage, set to fire by Leftists and left to burn by the Democrat establishment of the city and the state. Same goes for W. Broadway in my North Minneapolis area. Just the closing the largest and only liquor stores in the hood is not how win over the hearts and minds of the mostly peaceful residents. What Trump said to minority voters in 2016 rings true, what have you got to lose (taking a chance on Republicans)? You've been sh*t on for so long by one party Dem rule.
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".move of 2-3 points makes a world of difference in a close election."
maybe this is enough to counter the endless found mail in ballots that will have just arrive from China
2 weeks after the election
or every homeless person and nursing home patient and illegals who are vote harvested
by and for the Dems
we are a nation that is of the people by the people and for the Democrats only; according to the religion of WOKE.
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ccp: " a move of 2-3 points makes a world of difference in a close election."
maybe this is enough to counter the endless found mail in ballots that will have just arrive from China
2 weeks after the election
or every homeless person and nursing home patient and illegals who are vote harvested
by and for the Dems
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Thank God it's still statewide elections. They can only screw up one state at a time. I don't think there's any answer for cheating except to win by larger margins.
In a Hugo Chavez recall election he trailed 40-60 and won 60-40. My reaction was, what were those 40% who supported him thinking. But that cheating was nationwide in centralized computers. Democrats are limited to cheating in large cities in divided states, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, Miami, Phoenix, Las Vegas. etc. Places to keep an eye on.
Main point is that this shift underway devalues the Get-out-the-Vote effort. Not every vote in their neighborhoods is for them anymore. Inner city people move more often so their information gets old fast. Trump has better lists at this point. That comes with greater enthusiasm and strategic rally placements. Everyone who signed up for a rally gave up their email and cell number to the campaign for a free ticket. Also coronavirus has slowed the massive Dem, in person operation.
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Rasmussen poll, Trump overtakes Biden by one point. Presidential approval rate at 52%.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/git-r-done-trump-overtakes-biden-47-46-hits-52-approval
RealClearPolitics betting odds average favors Biden by 52 to 48. If you believed most of the other polls posted, those odds would be closer to Biden 100. Watch for the betting odds to flip as well.
Carleton College political science Professor Steve Scherer says, watch what the candidates do to know what their internal polls are saying. Joe Biden is heading to Minnesota today while polls and Democrats say Minnesota's 10 electoral votes owned by democrats for 48 years are not in play. Obama Biden won Minnesota in 2008 by double digits. Funny that the candidate that leads in all but one poll all year is running scared.
Democrats recently and proudly called their many sure states the "Blue Wall". Now they call the Electoral College "anti-democratic" . Only the popular vote, they argue, should determine who wins the highest office.
Strangely, the Constitution uses the word democracy to describe our new form of government exactly zero times, but goes on and on with articles and clauses designed to prevent rule by simple majority.
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-election-biden/2020/09/17/id/987420/
"U.S. agencies previously focused on “efforts to combat malign foreign influence focused solely on the threat posed by Russia,” Wray said, but now the Federal Bureau of Investigation is “widening its aperture” leading into the Nov. 3 election “to confront malign foreign operations of China, Iran, and other global adversaries.”
When are they going to tell us that china iran want Biden?
Nov 4?
Does anyone think Russia has not been interfering in US politics since at least 1917?
Does anyone think Trump won '16 because of Russia?
Does anyone think Russia would be able to get him a win in '20?
I certainly say 'no' to all 3 questions.
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If she is not replaced before the election, there is real chance of election cases coming before the SCOTUS yielding 4-4 votes.
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as per CBS poll
meaning Trump is ahead
One can only imagine the war teams of Dems scouring every square micron of Dade and Broward counties figuring out how to sweep out from under the rocks every mail in ballot they can find or make up
could the election result depend on the Democrats stalling to find more votes in SE Florida as it did in 2000?
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https://www.dickmorris.com/trump-takes-lead-in-most-reliable-poll-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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https://zogbyanalytics.com/
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I have Trump at 307 electoral votes now. Have taken poll results and adjusted to bias to get there.
Now, it appears that Virginia and Minnesota may both be in play for Trump as well.
Gigi concurs with my numbers.
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I have Trump at 307 electoral votes now. Have taken poll results and adjusted to bias to get there.
Now, it appears that Virginia and Minnesota may both be in play for Trump as well.
Gigi concurs with my numbers.
What of the 307 cubic tons of fraudulent mail in ballots?
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If they have 307 tons of fraudulent ballots, we have already lost. So I am moving to a free country. Maybe Liberia.
No, seriously, I think the issue is being overblown. And even if Michigan and Penn can be won that way, there is still plenty of cushion of EV votes.
Of course, if Biden does win through outride fraud, CW 2 is on, just like if Trump wins no matter what.
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for ten straight days
Oh would this not be sweet if he could win? ! 8-)
right back in the face of the Bloomberg's Soros's Zuckerberg's the Gate's the CNN mob
the beltway mob and worst of all the never Trump Republicans
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1309498982415175681
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FYI, the places I write for or comment on are revealing an "undercurrent" of people who either will not tell pollsters the truth on who they are voting for, or else have plenty of liberal relatives who voted in 16 for Hillary and are now changing to Trump.
Polls are not picking up this undercurrent.
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Good to have you back with us Pat!
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Thanks! As I get time, aka feel good and write, will be around. (Doing good now, but the tiredness really gets to me each day.)
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5 days before the end of Q3:
"The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2020 is 32.0 percent on September 25"
- GDP Now, Atlanta Fed
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GDP model really means little under the Covid mess. Is an outdated model anyway.
Still have Trump at 316 Electoral Votes right now with 3-4 states that could flip to him from Biden, and another 2 that could flip from him to Biden.
Still a solid lead.
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Yes, the GDP model is flawed anyway. The point here is bragging rights coming into election day. Second quarter was a record downturn. The news coming into the election will be greatest quarter over quarter growth ever, just in case they want to talk about a bad covid economy.
Incomes grew in one year in 2019 more then it grew in 8 years under Obama Biden.
The question should be, who will grow us out of this better. The answer should be obvious.
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Yes, the GDP model is flawed anyway. The point here is bragging rights coming into election day. Second quarter was a record downturn. The news coming into the election will be greatest quarter over quarter growth ever, just in case they want to talk about a bad covid economy.
Incomes grew in one year in 2019 more then it grew in 8 years under Obama Biden.
The question should be, who will grow us out of this better. The answer should be obvious.
It's because the economy is racist!
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Rasmussen Nevada poll has Biden leading by +1 only. If things hold, it is now Trump at 622 Electoral Votes.
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".Rasmussen Nevada poll has Biden leading by +1 only. If things hold, it is now Trump at 622 Electoral Votes"
Why should I believe this over CNN or ABC or NBC polls? :wink: :roll:
Zogby on Jewish vote , the usual numbers :
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/newsmax-zogby-poll-jewish-voters-back-trump/2020/09/27/id/989070/
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"...44% ... say they know friends or family who are voting for Trump but won’t say it publicly."
Not to mention that a good part of his support comes from people who 'disapprove' of him.
Polls have mostly favored Biden (by about 0%). Facts on the ground seem to favor Trump.
Biden propped up by 200 million? put into Florida alone by one donor Bloomberg.
How did Bloomberg's money do supporting Bloomberg? Harris will be a showperson questioner in the Barrett hearings. And now the debates... Can Trump get a plus score on the likeability test?
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If one looks at her series of illegal activity one can conclude Omar is a serial life long criminal:
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2020/09/27/project-veritas-strikes-again-voter-fraud-aids-rep-ilhan-omar-n973527
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/new-project-veritas-video-voter-fraud-in-ilhan-omars-district/
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One doctor I know in the neighborhood absolutely hates Trump. Wishes he were "cancelled." But when he looks at Biden v Trump, he admits that he must vote for the "narcissistic liar" over the "demented fool."
Wonder how many people are like this?
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On this day in 2016 (roughly), Clinton led Trump by 14 points, if you believe 'mainstream' polls.
There is no way to hold the polls accountable for errors in September, so all they really have to do is advance their narrative for as long as they can get away with it.
Analysis on Rush L, the polls are able to oversample Republican surburban women who don't favor Trump and undersample Democrat working voters who tend to favor Trump in order to say their poll is balanced.
A 10 point polling error is easy if you try.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#35873ee76128
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".Analysis on Rush L, the polls are able to oversample Republican surburban women who don't favor Trump and undersample Democrat working voters who tend to favor Trump in order to say their poll is balanced."
Yes I heard the Great Rush
give a anonymous pollster's explanation for how the polls are being manipulated by all the mainstream media orgs
and Doug as he pointed out the are Oversampling Republican women in the burbs and
also Undersampling Democrats in swing areas where many would vote for Trump
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Trump is the underdog. Being overconfident won't do it. He needs to work his strategy smartly the entire 90 minutes. Point out the things the media will not give him credit for and do it with precision in words that holds up to the scrutiny of the phony fact checkers sure to follow. Connect policies with results and Biden's reversing policies with a reversing of results. Take us through the key economic and foreign policy accomplishments and make the case for continuing the course. Explain the correct role of the courts and why voters should choose constitutional principles, not politicians in robes.
[Example: "You have vowed to rescind the Trump tax cuts. Can you think of a single example of a country that recovered from a recession by raising taxes?"
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/28/25-questions-joe-biden-should-be-asked-in-the-debate/]
Make Biden choose between socialist and moderate, get him to separate from socialist Left policy proposals in his party, or endorse them. Don't settle for blank canvas or fence sitting.
Get Biden to take clear policy positions, tax rates, spending, energy, fracking, Iran, China, etc. [that would take us backwards]. Follow up on the things he says that don't work, don't make sense and contradict past words and positions. Get us off fossil fuels by 2035? What fossil fuel production and uses will he ban now? None?
All? Make clear how all these Dem policies hurt and cost the poor and the working people.
["Do you or do you not support a ban on fracking? If you do, what do you say to the estimated 7.5 million American jobs that will be lost due to such a ban, which includes an estimated 550,000 jobs lost in Pennsylvania, 500,000 jobs lost in Ohio, 363,000 jobs lost in North Carolina, 353,000 jobs lost in Colorado, and 233,000 jobs lost in Michigan?"]
Get Biden to contradict himself and call him out on it. Crime bill for example, hard prison time for black crack use but not for addict Hunter. You would open our borders but protect us from Covid?!
Get a commitment from Biden to not pack the Court if he wins, or admit he will.
Lay out the case that Obama and Biden spearheaded the shameful FBI abuses.
Give reason and confidence to elect Republican House and Senate to help m.A.g.a.
Do the above in a way that raises his own likeability.
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https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-trump-campaign-strategy-to-deter-millions-of-black-americans-from-voting-in-2016
and the media to spill it out over 90% of the media airwaves
we are so disadvantaged
the corruption. nepotism pay offs stealing lying manipulation
fake news etc revealed by our weak media presence is just ignored
covered up as debunked , conspiracy theory , lies and unsubstantiated
labeled fact checked to be "wrong" etc
I wish we could push back harder
the radio and few talk show hosts we have are doing everything they can but it gets zero airtime in 90% media
now with big tech covertly and overtly against us too ..
:-(
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Anyone for a second think he won't just HAVE to get his questions in about Trump's tax returns?
He is just so good a "jurnolist "
right before the debate the NYT dumps the tax crap out
and the media plays it up like a pack of hucksters
and of course Wallace will do his jurnolistic duty and ask about it
President Trump sir , blah blah blah
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Some movement back to Biden in the polls since RBG died. May be noise.
Waiting to see what the Barrett announcement will bring. And the debate.
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Winning Debate Strategy: Trump Announces He Will Simply Let Joe Biden Talk For The Full 90 Minutes
other news:
CNN Reports Amy Coney Barrett Attended Bizarre Ceremony Where She Ate Flesh, Drank Blood of Jewish Guy
“What Is Thy Bidding, My Master?” Asks Amy Coney Barrett to Cloaked, Holographic Pope
Thousands Of California Inmates Experience Sudden-Onset Gender Dysphoria After Learning They Can Get Transferred To Women’s Prison
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https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Ugh.
Fk , , ,
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Ugh.
Fk , , ,
Horrible format. Three people couldn't agree on anything. No memorable moment. Neither likely gained anything.
Both interrupted rudely tonight. Trump perhaps more so, but look what he saw in debate preparation: 2012: Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 82 times.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rnc-biden-interrupted-ryan-82-times
Paul Ryan was an easy going, policy guy and all agreed he lost that debate. Trump wasn't going to let that happen to him.
Trump landed some important points. At times I was disappointed that he wasn't more clear, specific and persuasive, especially on his accomplishments.
Trump looked angry, NOT a plus, and the interruptions should have been done strategically, not constantly. Let Biden dig a hole and flail, then sum it up and call him out.
Biden was obnoxious in his own way. Made his case best he could but not inspiring. He was more coherent than the lowest expectations. I thought he didn't get as rattled as one might expect in the circumstance. His points were weak in a typical Democrat way, not because of his age and condition. But he did look old and lacked charisma.
I can't imagine anyone changing their mind over this except those deciding not to vote for either. Biden beat some expectations but his points were not persuasive. Trump frustrated his supporters by not getting a clear victory and by temperament but proved (again) he is a fighter, which is not pretty or likeable (but needed to win).
Chris Wallace showed in the first few minutes he is a registered Democrat and that this was two against one. He asked one or two tough questions of Biden but never held him to an answer, compounding the crosstalk problem.
Wallace should have ref'ed one NHL game as debate prep.
I would like to dive into the substance of the debate in a following post. The facts in the country favor Trump IMHO, but all his detractors see is a guy they hate and the reasons they hate him.
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".Chris Wallace showed in the first few minutes he is a registered Democrat and that this was two against one. He asked one or two tough questions of Biden but never held him to an answer, compounding the crosstalk problem. "
Yup
"Trump landed some important points. At times I was disappointed that he wasn't more clear, specific and persuasive, especially on his accomplishments."
Yup
"Trump looked angry, NOT a plus"
Yup
"The facts in the country favor Trump IMHO, but all his detractors see is a guy they hate and the reasons they hate him."
Yup
indeed, I finished my shift at 9 PM and excitedly turned on the debate. Within a few minutes of it I was so annoyed by Trump's constant interruptions with sometimes incoherent emotional responses I had to turn it off for a few minutes
Katherine finally convinced me to start watching again.
Biden , always the phony .
I rolled my eyes out of my head when he said that [in 2008] "they asked me" to fix the economy and "I" did .......
come on man ; look at the data -> he had NOTHING to do with it other than sitting in on meetings .
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Full transcript:
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-debate-transcript-2020
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https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/09/29/the-first-trump-biden-debate-was-a-slugfest-and-chris-wallace-got-knocked-out-n986380
"Chris Wallace interrupted Trump 35 times tonight. He did not interrupt Biden once."
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Facts on the ground favor Trump.
Biden: "Antifa is an idea not an organization"
- Double check the Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland footage. If not far-Left Antifa, who are they? If not organized, what are they? The organized violence in these cities and more was not mentioned in the entire DNC, and now it is not even acknowledged by Biden. The point goes to Trump.
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FWIW
https://www.dickmorris.com/trump-dominates-the-debate-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/rasmussen-republicans-scotus-pollster/2020/09/30/id/989694/
here we go again
back to the 70s and 80s
with this "killing" the party
and we are done
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I tried to talk to a Republican relative of mine on Roe vs Wade being overturned would really not likely happen
since she brought it up
I suggested Maybe late term , but not the whole thing
She does not believe this and says it is all about overturning RW
This would well turn off many Republican women. if we have any left...........
Meantime she voted and wrote in Bobby Jindal's name after watching debate last night and having to take a 6.2 mile walk to be able to sleep and said "now I am very worried about out country"
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Rasmuessen had to have changed the demographics of his poll to get this type of swing in just a couple of days. And of course, must subscribe to his site to be able to see the demographics he is using now.
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Hi PP
"Rasmuessen had to have changed the demographics of his poll to get this type of swing in just a couple of days. And of course, must subscribe to his site to be able to see the demographics he is using now."
maybe
or we are just grasping at straws that are falling from the bale of hay
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CCP
Other polls are showing a race tightening. Makes no sense right now. Am changing leaner states back and forth like crazy if the polls are to be believed.
Still looking at the State Polls and Trump appears to be in good shape. But then again, who the hell knows this time. Especially after last night.
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https://twitter.com/TAftermath2020/status/1311364772219158528?fbclid=IwAR0KvqE2r8hAydaIE9BOZd9XpSNrLdYFkZetiBxW019RWBZk82ogOqLD3GU
https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/874515216411956
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Biden slick lawyerly
denials
I am not for the "Green New Deal "
I am for the Biden Green Deal. (a slightly modified the Green New Deal "
https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/biden-says-green-new-deal-is-not-his-plan-but-campaign-calls-it-crucial-framework/
Come on man , I didn't lie. Look at the date!
And of course Wallace did not press him on , but not all his fault as Trump jumped in and Wallace had only so much time to pursue it before he must move on to the next subject.
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The Roe Wade overturn isn't about abortion right or wrong, it's about a wrongly decided case. The issue (of life) belongs with the states unless and until it is written into the constitution. States will have the full range of restrictions from all to none. The median political power will allow reasonable restrictions to protect the mother and the emerging life.
The idea that we can kill and 8.5 or 9 month developed human with no possible restrictions and then watch the same liberals slobber over animal rights, cage free chickens and so on, cf. our Rachel, is absurd and anti-science, anti-moral, anti-constitutional IMHO. Imagine the outrage if we killed puppies this way.
The majority of people and the majority of states want reasonable restrictions rightfully argued out in the state legislatures. This is not a losing political issue, and the overturn of this strange decision does not in itself make abortion illegal.
The constitution does not specify trimesters.
The feminist who wants complete right with no restriction to kill her unborn, to use the right to kill as a form of contraception, 98% for reasons of convenience, and will vote everything on that one issue... ain't a Republican in 2020.
Someday (soon) we will look back at how barbaric this practice was. Meanwhile, body parts are sold back door to back door of 'medical' facilities in America like the organs 'harvested' from the political prisoner camps in China.
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Brush aside the ugly images of this debate and see what lasting points were made.
1. Trump got the split he wanted between Biden and the far Left. "Not the Green New Deal", not Medicaid for all, "This is my party now". Etc.
2. Biden family corruption. The media won't touch it. Trump just did. Biden can't tell another story about Beau without people associating it with Hunter's corruption transacted off his father's 'business'.
3. Law and Order. He said Joe won't say law enforcement and he wouldn't. Joe can't name a law enforcement group that supports him and he couldn't. A big punch landed.
4. Trump: Economy open. Biden: Economy closed. The difference was clear as day.
5. Biden won't condemn Antifa or the violence on the streets.
6. Supreme Court. The Presidential term is 4 years, not 3, not 3 and half years. The voters did decide this. Point well made.
7. The rest of the judiciary, Trump appointed 300 Judges?
8. Trump admitted human component of climate change possible, and he LOVES clean, beautiful air and water. Major Democrat strike point neutralized.
9. Health care question answered best he could. Unpopular mandate gone. Drug price reform. Insulin 'the cost of water'? )
Trump points made speak to his base. You can't be conservative and not care about liberal judges taking down our country. On the other side, Biden split with his base. He's not a far lefty we were told (or is he?). In the middle, voters were turned off by both. No reason to vote unless you identify with one side or the other. (That favors Trump.) Think of Obama 2008 with the excitement of the centrists along with the leftists all together, we are the change we've been waiting for. None of that, center of Left, here with Biden. For Trump supporters, it's the policies and the Presidential actions, if not the man. For Biden, what policies? He doesn't even know.
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thinking about the Green new deal denial from Biden
a better strategy for Trump would be to instead of simply saying "oh you don't support it you lost the left
he should add the question
So, Joe what is the difference between the Green New Deal and your Green Deal
can anyone imagine him trying to explain in any intelligable way?
we all know he does not know the difference or could not articulate it - if there is any.
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I don't know
But in close election it is certainly conceivable :
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/18/three-in-ten-or-more-democrats-and-republicans-dont-agree-with-their-party-on-abortion/
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"So, Joe what is the difference between the Green New Deal and your Green Deal
can anyone imagine him trying to explain in any intelligible way?"
- No. He also can't answer, how many grandchildren do you have?
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Joe made one slick point in the debate: Trump will be the first President (if he has just one term) to have fewer jobs when he finished than when he started.
Democrats are good at this, finding the timeline that suits their result.
In reality, Trump doubled the Obama Biden growth rate of the economy, documented on the forum. In the last year before covid, 2019, incomes grew more in one year than during all their eight years. The economy contracted badly during covid. The contraction would have been much worse if they were in charge.
And for the Obama Biden numbers, they grew so slowly out of an artificial low point. The crash they say they inherited happened because of their policies while they controlled the House senate and the race for President. No one's going back to correct that record now. They don't need to because even with those deceptive facts, Trump grew the economy twice as well.
If the economy is the big issue in the election, who will grow us better out of this? There are not two right answers or even two valid opinions for that.
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Rasmuessen trending back upward.
Have Trump again at 322 Electoral votes including leaners. Wisconsin looking better and better.
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Live in a liberal hood that went 2-1 for Hillary in 2016. Have only seen 2 Biden/Harris lawn signs so far. One was the lesbian wife/wife couple. Other a guy who claims to be conservative but hates Trump.
The guy in the neighborhood who wishes Trump would be "cancelled" will actually vote for him over Biden. He has no signs out.
No Trump signs.......too dangerous to put them out.
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I don't know
But in close election it is certainly conceivable :
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/18/three-in-ten-or-more-democrats-and-republicans-dont-agree-with-their-party-on-abortion/
The more 'education' Democrats have, the less pro-life they are. Weird. It tells us more about our education than it does about abortion.
Barrett is considered pro-life because she's Catholic. Joe Biden is Catholic. Joe Biden says his religion guides him, but doesn't control his public policy positions. Judge Barrett says her religion guides her but doesn't control her judicial decisions. This question is a mountain or a molehill, whichever each voter wants it to be. From what I can see, if your are single issue abortion, you are not undecided in any election. Most people want reasonable restrictions allowed on abortions. The best way to negotiate something that important is in the state house closer to home, not dictated by 5 Justices in robes 47 years ago.
The whole idea that Roe will be overturned is a complete unknown. To assume yes is to admit it is wrongly decided case. Otherwise it is precedent, stare decisis, the law of the land that people have counted on all these years. Conservative Justices respect precedent - except in the most extreme situations, things like slavery (and slaughtering your young).
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No Trump signs.......too dangerous to put them out.
I notice very few around here
went to walk my dog at park with soda in a trump / pence holder
know numerous people there
many libs
got two looks
but no one said anything
when one complained about taxes in NJ
I blurted out that is why I am voting for these guys
but person got facial expression that was not positive
other person said nothing
I am not going to rub in their faces who I vote for but I am done hiding it
Of course at work I NEVER bring it up
unless someone calls with a Maga sign behind them - though rare :))
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"No Trump signs.......too dangerous to put them out."
- My brother in law put up Trump flags and signs at our family lake cabin and I was the one who asked him to take them down.
Locally, I see more signs for Congress and state House than for Biden, Trump.
Trump quietly visited the neighborhood yesterday. When the billionaire needs money he comes to Lake Minnetonka. Terrible coverage at the Mpls Starand sickle..
https://www.startribune.com/trump-is-back-in-minnesota-to-raise-money-and-rally-supporters/572591282/
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"The whole idea that Roe will be overturned is a complete unknown. To assume yes is to admit it is wrongly decided case. Otherwise it is precedent, stare decisis, the law of the land that people have counted on all these years. Conservative Justices respect precedent - except in the most extreme situations, things like slavery (and slaughtering your young)."
I support Justice Barrett ( looking ahead) 100% .
It is not me , but I am wondering if this concerns a lot of others and would sway their vote
Will keep looking if any more information on it.
as for Trump winning , and having all these electoral votes- frankly I don't believe it . I think he IS losing
hope I am 100% wrong but don't think so.
Still hoping we hold the Senate .
I suggest as one of the world's greatest debaters that Trump spend more time asking Joe the specifics of his claims
and be much more specific (unfortunately Trump is not a specific type of guy beyond internet news - I don't know what the hell Chris Chirstie is supposedly doing when preparing him) but I hope his line of attack can get Joebid to more clearly show he is lying and doen't really know what he is talking about
yea big joe will make totally general statements about how smart he is , how experienced he is , and how he is so savvy , etc
I would like Trump to show us how full of shit Joe is and confused he is
let him talk more let Joe hang himself bu the must be directed to do so by Trump -
screw the moderators
they will never treat old joe (democrat) like they treat any republican - has never happened
get rid of the interruptions the shouting down
name calling yelling - just the logic ( I know , I am dreaming , Trump can't do this)
but how much more effective that would be - and Presidential
just day dreaming
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".and I was the one who asked him to take them down."
:-o
I don't blame you
we don't want your house burned down
by BLM etc.
and you can't simply get AR 15 and stand guard without you being arrested
and called face of white supremacy by Mario's kid .
while arsonists get a free walk and funds from Soros or Bloomberg cash piles
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Chris Wallace: (17:16)
Mr. Vice President, if Senate Republicans, we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here, if Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. You call this a distraction by the President. But, in fact, it wasn’t brought up by the President. It was brought up by some of your Democratic colleagues in the Congress. So my question to you is, you have refused in the past to talk about it, are you willing to tell the American tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court?
Vice President Joe Biden: (17:55)
Whatever position I take on that, that’ll become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote. You’re voting now. Vote and let your Senators know strongly how you feel.
President Donald J. Trump: (18:05)
Are you going to pack the court?
Vice President Joe Biden: (18:07)
Vote now.
President Donald J. Trump: (18:08)
Are you going to pack the court?
Vice President Joe Biden: (18:09)
Make sure you, in fact, let people know, your Senators.
President Donald J. Trump: (18:12)
He doesn’t want to answer the question.
Vice President Joe Biden: (18:17)
I’m not going to answer the question.
President Donald J. Trump: (18:18)
Why wouldn’t you answer that question? You want to put a lot of new Supreme Court Justices. Radical left.
Vice President Joe Biden: (18:18)
Will you shut up, man?
President Donald J. Trump: (18:20)
Listen, who is on your list, Joe? Who’s on your list?
Chris Wallace: (18:23)
Gentlemen, I think we’ve ended this-
Vice President Joe Biden: (18:25)
This is so un-Presidential.
President Donald J. Trump: (18:25)
He’s going to pack the court. He is not going to give a list.
Chris Wallace: (18:27)
We have ended the segment. We’re going to move on to the second segment.
WHERE IS THE FOLLOWUP FROM CHRIS WALLACE WHO ASKED THE QUESTION? No wonder it spiraled out of control, there was no moderator.
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https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/next-presidential-debate-moderator-interned-for-biden-shared-never-trump-article/
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https://www.newsweek.com/richard-spencer-reiterates-support-biden-disavows-useless-traitorous-gop-1527555?amp=1
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The Trump pre-covid economy was the biggest, strongest, healthiest economy of any country in any civilization at any time in the history of the planet.
His opponents' record, the Obama Biden economy, was the slowest growing US recovery since the failed Democrat New Deal economy of the 1930s.
All these politicians are the same?
No they aren't.
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President Trump getting Covid now!
That's it! I surrender! This 4th Turning stuff is coming faster and faster!
I want off this merry-go-round! PLEASE SMOD! TAKE US ALL AWAY!
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My best wishes to God
he is getting millions of email praying for Trump to recover and millions praying for death.
What is the Lord our God to do?
he will know the answer but he works in mysterious ways so we will just have to wait he see what he has decided.
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US evangelicals are flocking to Trump
- Financial Times today
https://www.ft.com/content/de8dcd60-4bbf-4f3b-a1d7-e9eefb936c7f
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The people not "flocking to Trump" find this puzzling.
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/02/donald-trump-joe-biden-florida-hispanic-vote-racial-identity-election-polling/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=recaps&pnespid=0_B8s.ZCCVCNmgNfkipwFfC5OCx2FYo58_4vTsO1
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It’s No Surprise When Someone Gets Covid
The disease is endemic. And even 74-year-olds can have mild cases that aren’t debilitating.
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
Oct. 2, 2020 4:28 pm ET
Not quite nobody expected this latest twist in our year of living derangedly. On waking to the news that shook markets and discombulated our politics Friday morning, I thought back to an email, typically flippant, I sent colleagues a few weeks ago: “Biden secret plan: let Trump be the candidate who gets Covid . . . an October surprise I wouldn’t bet against.”
The reason begins with the advice the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention gave on its website early and for months after the outbreak began in Wuhan, that most Americans could expect to encounter the virus in coming months.
Another reason is the extraordinary effort, detailed in the Politico news website, to keep Joe Biden, the oldest nominee ever to be a major-party candidate, isolated and unexposed to risk. These efforts were apparently second only in extremity to those of the Russian government, as detailed in the New York Times this week, to keep Vladimir Putin hermetically shielded from the virus.
As early as February, when the feds were belatedly starting to look for Covid beyond immediate arrivals from China and people who interacted with them, I thought it worth pointing out that if a new virus were significantly more widespread than believed, a place to look would be the Democratic field, including Bernie Sanders. Presidential politics, especially during the primary phase, involves many activities that fit under the heading of superspreading.
A lot has been learned since the early days, which will benefit Donald Trump and his wife and others embroiled in the White House outbreak. My own family is basically an inkblot of the early confusion and disorder that accompanied the new pandemic when it first emerged from China. One elderly relative was taken in the wave that swept through nursing homes. Another heard for a month that symptoms were likely Covid but testing was in short supply and available only for patients who needed hospitalization. Only weeks later my relative was diagnosed with cancer, not Covid.
I learned something about a recent media furor when I finally cracked Bob Woodward’s new book. When the president told him on Feb. 7 that the virus was “more deadly than even your strenuous flus,” this was news to Mr. Woodward, by his own admission—the master reporter had hardly paid attention to an outbreak in China that was already being compared to the 1918 influenza.
And on March 19, when Mr. Trump said he was “playing down” the disease to avoid “panic,” Mr. Woodward was equally oblivious to every important element of context in the intervening six weeks. On Feb. 28, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Robert Redfield and a colleague, on whose hands time did not hang heavy, published in the New England Journal of Medicine an analysis showing that widely reported fatality rates for Covid-19 were dramatically overstated; the disease would likely prove roughly as deadly as the flu.
Mr. Trump, on Mar. 4, went on “Hannity” himself to debunk a 3.4% fatality rate then being touted by China and the World Health Organization. “Mr. Trump has a point,” commented the New York Times, having itself questioned the WHO estimate a day earlier.
At the time the chaos in Northern Italy was unfolding on the world’s TV screens. Putting the fatality rate in realistic perspective was an urgent and necessary priority for any government. Mr. Woodward apparently understood not a thing about any of this when he interviewed Mr. Trump. Amazingly, he still understood nothing about it six months later when he published his book.
Managing public psychology was always going to be a complicated element of a complicated challenge. A man Mr. Trump’s age, or Mr. Biden’s, has a statistical life expectancy that makes him no shoo-in to complete a presidential term under the best of circumstances. But treatment standards have improved. In early days, anybody with symptoms might have done well to avoid ventilator-happy hospital care.
Mr. Trump, at 74, is at higher risk for a bad outcome than a 30-year-old would be. But most 74-year-olds survive Covid and many never have debilitating symptoms. Our media are prone to hysteria, oversimplification and fetishizing random things—case-fatality rates, masks, etc. Reporters and editors have a distorted single-variable mentality. Covid is deadly in a small percentage of cases, currently estimated at between 0.1% and 0.41%, especially among older people in ill health. The major urgency always arose from too many cases happening at the same time and endangering our ability to provide care.
Stay tuned but let’s not assume, in Mr. Trump’s case, that the equivalent of a gas attack from one too many Big Macs is an incipient heart attack. I doubted the seriousness of Mr. Trump’s presidential intentions when he entered the 2016 race. I wasn’t sure he was happy about winning. But I’m skeptical of those now suggesting he might welcome an excuse to bow out. He likes the job and believes he’s defending America from bad things by fighting to hold on to it.
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https://www.investors.com/news/joe-biden-lead-over-donald-trump-narrows-after-presidential-debate-ibd-tipp-poll/
Latest poll after debate one, Biden lead shrunk to 2.7%. IBD/TIPP Poll
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/10/02/shock-poll-astounding-percentage-of-democrats-happy-about-trumps-covid-diagnosis-n999173
Of course they all want him dead
surprised so many are not playing the game like the phony MSM , the vast majority of whom are enjoying this too.
"I told you so , but of course we wish the Trump family well". :-P :wink:
but I must look in the mirror and be honest; would I be sad if Pelosi Biden Harris etc got corona ? :-o
I recall hearing the news about Reagan being shot at home. i had tears welling up in my eyes.
Probably never felt that way about a politician before or since. I would have likely felt that way about GH Bush though to a lesser degree at the time.
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I had the strangest thought, what if a real debate on the issues broke out in the Vice Presidential debate?
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".I had the strangest thought, what if a real debate on the issues broke out in the Vice Presidential debate?"
Beautiful thought. ! :-D
cool calm collected VP Pence articulating the looniness of Harris without it winding up being about his temperament .
just logic , common sense, and the truth
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If Trump should die I presume Pence would be GOP candidate automatically
not clear what his favorable ratings would be without Trump on ticket
who would be VP Mike's VP.
I know some here like Nikki
any thoughts
not premature to think about
we know the big wigs are already playing out the scenerios - or at least better be
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PS just saw his speech from Walter Reed
he look and sounded great. :-D 8-)
so far so good
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8-) 8-) 8-)
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Advice for next debate:
1.Mr. President: Use humor. Make fun of Biden. Make fun of yourself. And smile.
2.Trump is the poverty reduction president: the poverty rate fell to its lowest levels EVER under Trump's policies. Poverty declined to its lowest level for blacks, Hispanics, and women.
3.The high death rates from Coronavirus are in Democrat states. If blue states like New York had the same death rates that Republican states had there would be 35,000 more Americans alive today.
4. Nine of the 10 states with the highest unemployment rates are DEMOCRATIC states.
5. Give minorities better schools. Trump wants to give $10,000 vouchers to millions of black families in inner cities with failing schools so they can choose the school of their choice. Biden is against this because he cares more about the teacher unions than America’s children.
6.Biden and the Democrats are the lockdown party. They will kill America’s small businesses with another shutdown.
7. Biden’s biggest lie ever: a $4 trillion Biden tax increase - more than half of which will target small business owners - will create 7 million jobs. Yes and if you believe this, you believe the Obamacare like that if you like your health care you can keep it.
8. Biden plan ends Right to Work laws in 26 States across America. Millions Under Biden’s radical plan would be forced to join a union (and pay millions of dollars of dues to Big Labor bosses) against their will.
9.Trump is the working class president: middle incomes rose $6,400 in three years under Trump to an all-time record in 2019. In just three years middle incomes for blacks, whites and Hispanics rose more than in eight years under Obama-Biden.
- Prosperity hotline, Steve Moore
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Have Trump continuing at 322 Electoral votes. Is getting a bump from debate and C-19 per the polls.
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Outlier?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/new-poll-results-show-president-trump-ahead-nationally-swing-states-electoral-college/
Florida
Trump 48
Biden 44
Minnesota
Trump 46
Biden 44
New Hampshire
Trump 45
Biden 43
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If Trump should die I presume Pence would be GOP candidate automatically
not clear what his favorable ratings would be without Trump on ticket
who would be VP Mike's VP.
I know some here like Nikki
any thoughts
not premature to think about
we know the big wigs are already playing out the scenerios - or at least better be
Looks like Trump's fine but this is still relevant to figure out.
If a candidate dies or becomes so sick that withdrawing is necessary, party leaders select a replacement, 168 members of the Republican National Committee, 400-plus members of the Democratic National Committee.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/rules-exist-what-could-come-next-they-wont-prevent-total-chaos/616586/
Pence (or Harris) would move up. Yes, I think R's would pick Haley or Pompeo is logical and next in line anyway. Haley is fully qualified, strong, liked and tempting to run against a woman, Harris at this point. A sitting House member or Senator when both are contested is probably a bad idea.
If Trump dies after the election, won or lose, Pence becomes President but the VP position would go unfilled, because of the 25th amendment: ... "shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress". That is the Pelosi-House, this year at least.
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Doug,
Looked at internals of those polls. Not an outlier. In fact, where they should be if the other polls were not so skewed to Biden.
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Last of the worst polls:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-scores-14-point-lead-over-trump-in-poll-after-debate-11601816400
How do these internals look? Let me guess...
Latest betting odds, 60-40 Biden. It's hard to be optimistic. It looks to me like the real odds right now are 50-50 for everything. Biden up 4% in the major polls, battleground states, roughly the pro-Biden bias error we might expect.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states/
The future of our country sits on 50-50 odds... that's discouraging. Tie goes to the Democrats, ballot harvesting, mail in fraud etc.
Facts on the ground favor Republicans. Gallup: The number one issue to voters is the economy. Extremely important plus very important = 90%. Terrorism plus foreign policy is second biggest issue, should favor Trump. Then virus. Trump needs to pull closer to Biden on virus. Trump's done everything and Biden's done nothing - except support shutdowns, see first issue.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321617/economy-tops-voters-list-key-election-issues.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication
Trump grew the economy to the best in history, pre covid. Growth figures to come out before the election will look great. Biden is anti-economy, pro-shutdown.
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What if the truth comes out? What if the moderator pins down Harris on some things?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/vp-debate-why-matters-liz-peek
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/trump-escaping-wile-e-coyotevirus/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202020-10-06&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-there-shouldnt-be-second-debate-if-trump-still-tests-positive-for-covid-19_3528966.html?utm_source=CCPVirusNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-10-07
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MSM all have Trump crashing in the polls.
Is this true?
If so why ?
I just hope the Senate holds.
Unfortunately, I think Ben Shapiro has it right:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ben-shapiro-if-biden-a-comatose-78-year-old-career-politician-wins-election-by-double-digits-thats-on-trump
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https://www.dickmorris.com/the-polls-are-wrongthe-race-is-tight-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
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Morris is right but still has Trump down 4% in battleground states.
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IF only Trump could be calmer like Pence
we would not be in this disastrous mess
I actually was stupid enough to buy stocks in 2012 on Dick Morris' call that Romney would win......
ugghhh
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-dishonesty-on-abe-lincoln/
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BTW, the VP debate was being broadcast in China. "Technical glitches" occurred when Pence was speaking about China but were solved when Harris began speaking again.
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Watch full debate here where Pence raises his record to 2-0 in VP debates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/07/watch_live_2020_vice_presidential_debate_between_vp_mike_pence_kamala_harris_in_utah.html
Watch it all. Ideally, watch with someone undecided and pause to discuss and verify the main points of each side.
If what Harris is saying were true, I would vote Biden Harris. All covid deaths are Trump's fault. Trump is a white nationalist etc. Republicans suppress the vote. Lie after lie. If what Pence is saying is true and it is, I will vote for them.
Pence wins on so many points, economy, covid, environment, foreign policy, China, Iran, terror, life, judiciary, Green New Deal, Court packing.
Pence exhibits all those qualities we seek, showing competence, wisdom, empathy, calmness, honesty and effective persuasion.
Harris exhibits projection and duplicity.
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Doug,
Your honest opinion
Are we looking to hold the Senate ?
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Excellent recap here, Mollie Hemmingway, Federalist:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/7-quick-takeaways-on-the-2020-vice-presidential-debate/
Mike Pence, a former congressman [and Governor] and talk radio host, started off strong and just kept getting stronger. He clearly came prepared for the debate. He had a ready recall of facts and figures to bolster his points. He nailed the questions he wanted to answer and deflected on the questions he preferred not to answer.
While he let several zingers fly, he stayed calm and steady, pushing back at what he perceived as unduly false statements but without the constant interruptions of the Trump-Biden debate. He spoke slowly and left few cards on the table unplayed. He was nice, firm, decent, and likable.
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He made a strong case for Trump’s foreign policy being effective and Biden’s being decades of failure. He had Kamala Harris on the ropes about whether she and Biden would raise taxes on Americans on their first day in office. He effectively showed the country her refusal to openly support court-packing, a position she previously supported.
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[Harris] also lied frequently, and perhaps in ways that were too easily caught. She lied about Abraham Lincoln, she repeated the completely false Charlottesville hoax, and she falsely claimed Trump called COVID a hoax. She tried to defend Biden on fracking but did so in a way that reminded voters of how he’s been all over the map on whether he zealously seeks to ban fracking or definitely does not want to.
She feigned outrage when Pence said he hoped Democrats wouldn’t engage in religious attacks on Amy Coney Barrett, as they have already done. But Harris herself tried to impose a religious test on a nominee for being a member of the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic lay group.
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Many pundits have never understood how the traditional Republican voter could ever vote for Trump, much less be so unfailingly loyal to him. Pence is the embodiment of the answer to that question. He articulates a Trump-supporting traditional Republicanism that many voters hold. And it’s a compelling and persuasive answer for millions of people...
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"Many pundits have never understood how the traditional Republican voter could ever vote for Trump, much less be so unfailingly loyal to him. "
well when we are staring a one party (Democrat) country in the face what choice do we have . We are stuck with him because he has been the only one to fight (except for Cruz and a few others)
"Pence is the embodiment of the answer to that question. He articulates a Trump-supporting traditional Republicanism that many voters hold. And it’s a compelling and persuasive answer for millions of people.."
Sometimes I wonder if Trump had died and
Pence was the candidate for Pres . would that be any better?
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Taking a very negative review of the polls, I have Biden at 278 v Trump at 260. (Optimistic view has Trump at 320 v Biden at 218)
Critical states that could swing to the opposite candidate before election day are
Currently Trump
Florida +29
Currently Biden
Michigan + 16
Minnesota + 10
Nevada + 6
New Hampshire +6
Pennsylvania +20
Wisconsin +10
Trump flips just 10 Ev's, he is the President Elect under my worst case scenario.
Biden gets Florida, then he is President Elect unless Trump can perform a miracle and get Penn, Wisconsin and Michigan.
Bottom line, I think Trump keeps Florida and gets one other minimum to win.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/joshpinho/2020/08/07/joe-bidens-gun-violence-plan-is-bad-news-for-gun-owners-n2573885
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but. the honest, truth seeking, media says it is Russia
what gives ?
how can this be? would not our media who stands between despotism and democracy have been warning about this ?
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/intel-officials-china-brief/
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https://youtu.be/_Czef7FmlMo
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/520306-democrats-surge-past-republicans-in-early-voting
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yup
he will likely (and therefore we, will lose big)
it is all a referendum of HIM.
God, I pray we hold the Senate.
:-o
Just spoke to my nephew for another reason.
Did not get into politics much but he just wishes the election were over . I said I feel like I am being hit over the head with a. hammer every day
by the media vs Trump and his tweets.
he agrees
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/michigan-homeowner-under-fire-boobytrapping-trump-yard-sign-kept-getting-stolen?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter
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Made a major donation to President Trump.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/omg-no-one-showing-biden-harris-events-no-one-watching-online-biden-harris-3-president-trumps-online-viewership/
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Generally I can take or leave Watters, but tonight's opening segment impressed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xv7o3Zm7o
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https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/10/10/freudian-slip-this-might-be-bidens-funniest-gaffe-yet-n1034528
:roll:
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Moderators still heavily biased. Susan Page said the economy is slowing down - a standard liberal talking point. Slowing down? It’s a rocket ship. Atlanta Fed estimates 33 percent GDP growth for just ended 3rd quarter - the highest growth rate ever. Unemployment at 7.9 percent about half what was expected six months ago. The number of people collecting unemployment benefits FELL by one million last week. The US has the fastest growing economy in the world today.
Kamala and Biden are FOR the green new deal and Medicare for all. She said earlier this year in Dem debate that tens of millions would be forced to give up their private health care. Under her plan, you lose your health insurance whether you like it or not. Biden's plan eliminates all fossil fuels. She lied last night.
The economy was NOT strong under Obama-Biden. The growth rate in 2016 was 1.6 percent and headed to a possible recession. That’s why Hillary lost. Only one in three Americans rated the economy good or great in 2016. By 2019 two in three did. As Chart shows the inflection point was Trump’s election.
Trump and Pence are still not telling the right story about the pandemic. The story is this: Trump correctly let the states take the lead - because New York City isn’t Utah or Nebraska - and the democratic governors rushed to lock down their states (Cuomo and Murphy) had the highest death rates and the highest business failures and job losses. GOP governors are opening their economies and schools; Democratic governors are STILL shutting down. Biden is in favor of national mandates and another catastrophic lockdown. The Democrats are the lockdown party and another lockdown With a $4 trillion tax hike would cause a second Great Depression.
Pence nailed Harris on “accepting the results of the election” question. He’s right that Obama-Biden attempted to overturn the election and the outrageous impeachment scam to oust an elected president lasted two years and was completely discredited.
- Unleash Prosperity Hotline 10/8/2020
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Using worst case scenario I posted a couple of days ago, Trump had 260 locked in EV. Now after the Trafalgar poll of Michigan, am moving it as a lock for Trump, making it 276 EV.
Also, 1 million young college attendees are not expected to vote. Reason is that they are not in school attendance, taking classes only from home. And there is no Get Out To Vote working on them.
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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2020/10/12/battleground-states-white-house-michigan-wisconsin-pennsylvania-arizona-florida-north-carolina/3497599001/
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida.
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A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for ... ?
Violence in our cities. Personal destruction of principled conservatives, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, and those who will follow. Toppling of our statues. Toppling of constitutional principles. Ends justify means. End of the Supreme Court as we know it. Iran and China. World mayhem.
A vote for Joe Biden is a vote against ... ?
Economic growth. Law and order. Constitutional framework. Freedom of speech.
Affordable energy. Right to keep the fruit of your labor and investment. Life of the unborn. Right to defend yourself and your family.
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history and historical trends.
The biggest issue in the campaign is Covid-19. There has been 11 Incumbents to face a pandemic during re-election. The incumbent is 11-0 (1820-present). '
m-Many experts say bad economies end incumbents careers.
This is not true. The incumbent party is 12-11 when facing re-election during a bad economy.
There is a huge correlation to primary performance with this historical trend. Since the first primary in 1912, 7 incumbents have faced a bad economy during re-election. 5 of those incumbents had very poor primary performances and lost. 2 of them had strong primary performances and won re-election.
In fact, no incumbent who has received at least 75% of the primary vote has lost re-election. Donald Trump received 94% of the primary vote, which is the 4th highest all-time. Higher than Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton, and Obama. Trump is only 1 of 5 incumbents since 1912 to receive 90% or more of the primary vote.
We've never seen primary participation levels for an incumbent like we did in the 2020 GOP primary. Trump set a record for most votes received by an incumbent with 18.1M. The previous record was held by Bill Clinton with 9.7M primary votes.
We have also had riots. Incumbents are 6-6 when facing re-election during civil unrest, but 4-0 when facing a pandemic and civil unrest.
Three times in history America has faced a pandemic, recession, and civil unrest during an election year. The incumbent party is 3-0 in those elections.
What about polls?
Well, polls are predicting Trump's win. The ABC poll shows Trump with a 19 point enthusiasm advantage. Every candidate since 1988 that led in enthusiasm, has won the election.
Pew gives Trump a 20 pt advantage in strength of support. The leader in this poll has won every election since 1964.
All polls show voters expect Trump to win. The expectation question is more accurate than the voter intention question that has Biden leading.
Since 2004, the candidate that led in google searches has won the election. Trump leads Biden in google searches by a ratio of 3 to 1.
On Polls
The larger the class divide in the electorate, the larger the polling error
There has been many elections where polls just failed to predict anything. 1948, 1952, 1976, 1980, 1996, 2000, 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018 all had major polling errors.
In 2012, the current trend of low response rates began. Since 2012, polls have gotten worse.
The 2018 polls were not better than 2016, they were worse. Polls are incapable of predicting anything. especially with cancel culture and pollsters insistence on going in the field during major news events. 2020 has been one long major news event....
so the likelihood of a large response bias is high this year.
Joe Biden also has a history against him.
No one who served 15 years in the Senate has ever become president. Joe Biden has served 36 years.
The 14 year rule - No one gets elected president who needs longer than 14 years to get from his or her first gubernatorial or Senate victory to either the presidency or the vice presidency. Biden needed 36 years to become VP.
History is against Biden and in favor of Trump.
The only thing that shows Biden winning are polls. By every historical metric and trend, Donald Trump will win this election.
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Pat:
I needed that!
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After the Republican National Convention
during which Trump the man seemed downplayed mostly and the topics were mostly on policy and contrast to the Dem Party polls tightened
than as soon as Trump goes back to being himself the reverse happens
like this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-fauci-president-trump-campaign-ad-coronavirus-141237571.html
I am not sure I even care anymore
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CD,
Can add some more hope to that.
Trump[ campaign has "redirected" money for the Iowa and Ohio campaigns. These are "safe" states for him now. Instead the money is being spent in Oregon and New Mexico.
He is trying to grab everything. If he can get New Mexico, then Nevada will go Trump. And if he gets Oregon, Colorado will also fall to him.
This is akin to being ahead 75-0 going into the the 4th Quarter and leaving the 1st string in. Or as Nathaniel Bedford Forrest would say...."keeping up the skeer."
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GAWD! Las Vegas Review...........Trump within 2 points of Biden. Factor in the "shy" Trump voter, and it could be even, or maybe Trump with a small lead!
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After the Republican National Convention
during which Trump the man seemed downplayed mostly and the topics were mostly on policy and contrast to the Dem Party polls tightened
than as soon as Trump goes back to being himself the reverse happens
like this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-fauci-president-trump-campaign-ad-coronavirus-141237571.html
I am not sure I even care anymore
You should. The next election the dems win will be the end of anything resembling America.
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pp, Wouldn't that be funny - if Trump won Oregon.!
Must admit, heard it here first. )
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What Trump 330 looks like.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/10/APP-101220-McCullough-MAP.jpg?w=570&ssl=1)
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Trump Train is picking up speed!
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What Trump 3:30 looks like.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/10/APP-101220-McCullough-MAP.jpg?w=570&ssl=1)
Nevada will find enough mail in votes for a Biden win. The election night vote numbers just tell the dems how many swing state votes they need to find in the mail.
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I couldn't believe this NYT but their house conservative Bret Stephens seems to be on the outs there. Link omitted because America doesn't subscribe anymore.
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Chris is a registered Democrat in her 50s who lives in Manhattan. She’s well-educated, well-traveled and well-informed. She has voted for candidates of both parties over the years and was enthusiastic for Bernie Sanders in 2016.
She’s asked me not to publish her last name. It would not go down well for her at the store where she works as a manager if her colleagues knew that she plans to vote for Donald Trump.
Chris is also gay. “Being a lesbian who’s voting for Trump is like coming out of the closet again,” she tells me...
It’s worth understanding where she’s coming from.
Start with the economy. “I haven’t seen double digit [gains] in my 401(k) since the internet boom of the late ’90s,” she says. “It went up 19.6 percent” in the year before the pandemic. “Look at the stock market,” she says. (Up about 35 percent from four years ago.) “Look at gas prices.” (About the same as what they were when Trump took office, but well below the $3.31 per gallon at the midpoint of the Obama administration.)
“This is everyday stuff that affects me,” she says. “I don’t care about Afghanistan and the Middle East. I care about having a job. I care about having health care through my company. I was out of a job a few years ago. Obamacare priced me out [of private insurance]. It was like, $560 a month. Then Obama’s website blew up. He can’t get the website right?”
Then there’s the pandemic. “Is Trump trying to play it down?” she asks. “Yeah. But when this first started, the news media was saying that millions of people were going to die. And look at it: 200,000, compared to the population...
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Okay, the election polls are giving me whiplash. I go between optimistic that Trump will win handily, to cold sweats and then in the middle, all in minutes.
It is impossible to understand the electorate now. Between Trump, the Senile Biden, Covid, the Economy, I don't think anyone has a true read on what will happen and what the outcome will be.
Please! Sweet Meteor of Death! Come take us now. There is no intelligent life on this rock.
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watch the trailer to this movie from 1950s when same thing was said then and probably since the dawn of homo sapiens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still
:-o
If Dems win than we should try to reach Klaatu to go ahead come back and destroy the Earth and get it over with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaatu_(The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still)
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Can Klaatu come back sooner than later?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbozDBM67lY&feature=emb_logo
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quote author=ppulatie
Okay, the election polls are giving me whiplash. ...
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Yes, we know these polls aren't accurate and we know not to be in total denial when things aren't going our way. I keep saying, facts on the ground favor Trump and Republicans:
The economy. The economy. The economy. Enthusiasm. Foreign policy / Peace accomplishments. The Court. Tough on China. Optimism. American Dream. Law and order. Resisting all the wacky stuff, "transforming the family", etc. Protecting out Borders. Winning over blacks, Hispanics. Winning back manufacturing. Individual liberties. Right of self defense and to defend your home, your family. Tax competitiveness. Convertible with the top down.
Biden and Democrats: Malaise. Riots. Planeloads of cash to Iran. Multilateral agreements that cost trillions and gain nothing. Higher taxes. Slower growth. Government healthcare. Blackouts. Destroy the cities. Destroy the suburbs.
Destroy the forms. Ban fracking. Ban fossil fuels. Pessimism. Shipping jobs overseas. Dividing America. Courts that are rigged. Justice rigged. Activists courts. Crony government. Deep state rule. Corruption all the way up and down. Open borders. We pay for everyone who comes in. Mass transit. Marry the government. Government run your life cradle to grave, "life of Julia".
Tough choice?
If you are fully sold on the Dem plan, Biden is your guy. That doesn't get you to 50% of the vote, IMHO. Trump and the R's have more to offer the rest.
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Have never seen such insanity in my life. I look into the polls and make adjustments in the internals to the 2016 election and Trump should win in at least a repeat of 2016.
Then I look at outcome based upon unadjusted polling and Biden wins handily.
Find it hard to believe that
1. America would vote into the Presidency an obvious demented and senile old man.
2. America would abandon a "successful" first term President for a corrupt former VP.
3. The pollsters are still using models that clearly were wrong in 2016, unless they are trying to promote a liberal agenda themselves.
This is just total insanity. It is like a collective mass hysteria event is occurring in front of our eyes.
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".Find it hard to believe that
1. America would vote into the Presidency an obvious demented and senile old man.
2. America would abandon a "successful" first term President for a corrupt former VP.
3. The pollsters are still using models that clearly were wrong in 2016, unless they are trying to promote a liberal agenda themselves.
This is just total insanity. It is like a collective mass hysteria event is occurring in front of our eyes"
You have just described Democrats and the band of never Trumpsters
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at least a few Jews on our side! country before self righteous dem party dogma!
like the Horowitzs and Levin
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/billionaire-casino-sheldon-adelson-super-pac/2020/10/15/id/992241/
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Appears that the pollsters are beginning to tighten up their polls to reflect more realistic numbers. About time with two weeks to go.
Still have Trump at about 320 EV. Pretty much 2016 all over again.
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The topics for the October 22 debate will include:
Fighting COVID-19 - we get it you assholes - trump could have done better - but left unsaid is joe would likely have been worse and sent us into a
depression
American Families. - joe will pretend he wants to bring jobs back to America and he is for working families - stealing Trump's line which he is good.
at (stealing lines since law school).
Race in America - again the question to Trump are you racist? joe to give his canned pitch to blacks (my voters will be rewarded)
Climate Change. - we get it Trump wants to destroy the Earth. and biden green new deal is not the Green New Deal ( some dem lawyer took out
a few comas a line or added more from AOC's Sander's GND giving Joe space to say the two are not the same and shake his head no while
posting the shit eating grin Dems like to use when trying to mock the utter stupidity of the right)
National Security - we get it; Trump pisses off our allies and sucks up to Xi Putin and Kim while Biden has friends all around the world who
"trust" him
Leadership - biden will be leader for "all Americans". while trump just plays to his base.
see so I know how it will ALL be phrased , how it will be structured to play out ahead of time
Got it. :-(
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Eric Bolling going to host a Town Hall for Donald Trump Wednesday.
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Have Trump with 276 locked in today
Biden with 218 locked in.
44 up for grabs
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November 2016, New York Magazine, Trump can't win.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/trump-clinton-take-different-paths-to-270-electoral-votes.html
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Okay, the tide has turned.
1. Polls are "suddenly" closing. Pollsters are reporting better results, but still out of line.
2. Mail in ballots are so far not coming in for Battleground States like needed for the Dems. 52% of requested mail in ballots for Dems v 37% for Reps. Dems need a 2-1 ratio here and are not getting it so far.
3. Michigan Senate seat has Rep James leading by 1
4. Florida a tie with Trump and Biden with polls showing a liberal bias.
5. Michigan +1 for Trump with Trafalgar. Hill/Harris shows Biden +11, totally biased for Biden. Trust Trafalgar.
6. North Carolina Tied
7. Hill/Harris has Biden by 5 in PA. Again very biased. Insider says Biden by 3. Trafalgar has Biden +2. Color this statistically tied, and without considering Shy Trump voter.
8. Shy Trump voter plus people not admitting voting for Trump could be twice as big as last year.
9. Add in a decidedly big margin of new registrations for Republicans, and this gets even bigger.
10. Trump rallies are pulling in 30% Democrats. And 20 something Indies.
11. Polls showing up to 13% of blacks supporting Trump.
12 Hispanic support up double digits.
Unless I am wrong, expect that this election is gonna blow wide open after next weekend and the Trump Train gonna roll big.
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Okay, the tide has turned.
1. Polls are "suddenly" closing. Pollsters are reporting better results, but still out of line.
2. Mail in ballots are so far not coming in for Battleground States like needed for the Dems. 52% of requested mail in ballots for Dems v 37% for Reps. Dems need a 2-1 ratio here and are not getting it so far.
3. Michigan Senate seat has Rep James leading by 1
4. Florida a tie with Trump and Biden with polls showing a liberal bias.
5. Michigan +1 for Trump with Trafalgar. Hill/Harris shows Biden +11, totally biased for Biden. Trust Trafalgar.
6. North Carolina Tied
7. Hill/Harris has Biden by 5 in PA. Again very biased. Insider says Biden by 3. Trafalgar has Biden +2. Color this statistically tied, and without considering Shy Trump voter.
8. Shy Trump voter plus people not admitting voting for Trump could be twice as big as last year.
9. Add in a decidedly big margin of new registrations for Republicans, and this gets even bigger.
10. Trump rallies are pulling in 30% Democrats. And 20 something Indies.
11. Polls showing up to 13% of blacks supporting Trump.
12 Hispanic support up double digits.
Unless I am wrong, expect that this election is gonna blow wide open after next weekend and the Trump Train gonna roll big.
The states you mention, all winnable by Trump. I did my own small sampling today. Those voting Dem are motivated by their wish to defeat Trump, not a love of Biden or anything very specific that is Democrat. My pro business Democrat and left of centrist friends will vote Dem up and down the ballot - to defeat Trump and everything about him.
I made the point that out our 'centrist' votes 100% with Nancy Pelosi. No matter.
Odd that my richest friends are the most Democratic. In many circles, no one barely knows anyone on the other side. In some places you have the house divided (my house?).
The anti-Trump has the same enthusiasm as the pro-Trump vote. Somewhere narrowly in the middle there is the shy Trump voter and those who are tempted to breakaway.
I think these double digit gains in some groups are key, black males, Hispanics. Second key will be those not liking Trump starting to not like Biden too, dropping the Dem turnout. If you aren't sold on either side, why vote?
Then there are late breaking facts and stories. Record economic growth will be reported for Trump. Smoking gun corruption for Biden. A few more stories on both yet to break.
Fasten you seatbelt. Does this long voting process make turnout go up or down? Who does that favor?
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Your Dem friends aren't questioning the Dems after watching what Dem governance has done to Minnetroit?
Okay, the tide has turned.
1. Polls are "suddenly" closing. Pollsters are reporting better results, but still out of line.
2. Mail in ballots are so far not coming in for Battleground States like needed for the Dems. 52% of requested mail in ballots for Dems v 37% for Reps. Dems need a 2-1 ratio here and are not getting it so far.
3. Michigan Senate seat has Rep James leading by 1
4. Florida a tie with Trump and Biden with polls showing a liberal bias.
5. Michigan +1 for Trump with Trafalgar. Hill/Harris shows Biden +11, totally biased for Biden. Trust Trafalgar.
6. North Carolina Tied
7. Hill/Harris has Biden by 5 in PA. Again very biased. Insider says Biden by 3. Trafalgar has Biden +2. Color this statistically tied, and without considering Shy Trump voter.
8. Shy Trump voter plus people not admitting voting for Trump could be twice as big as last year.
9. Add in a decidedly big margin of new registrations for Republicans, and this gets even bigger.
10. Trump rallies are pulling in 30% Democrats. And 20 something Indies.
11. Polls showing up to 13% of blacks supporting Trump.
12 Hispanic support up double digits.
Unless I am wrong, expect that this election is gonna blow wide open after next weekend and the Trump Train gonna roll big.
The states you mention, all winnable by Trump. I did my own small sampling today. Those voting Dem are motivated by their wish to defeat Trump, not a love of Biden or anything very specific that is Democrat. My pro business Democrat and left of centrist friends will vote Dem up and down the ballot - to defeat Trump and everything about him.
I made the point that out our 'centrist' votes 100% with Nancy Pelosi. No matter.
Odd that my richest friends are the most Democratic. In many circles, no one barely knows anyone on the other side. In some places you have the house divided (my house?).
The anti-Trump has the same enthusiasm as the pro-Trump vote. Somewhere narrowly in the middle there is the shy Trump voter and those who are tempted to breakaway.
I think these double digit gains in some groups are key, black males, Hispanics. Second key will be those not liking Trump starting to not like Biden too, dropping the Dem turnout. If you aren't sold on either side, why vote?
Then there are late breaking facts and stories. Record economic growth will be reported for Trump. Smoking gun corruption for Biden. A few more stories on both yet to break.
Fasten you seatbelt. Does this long voting process make turnout go up or down? Who does that favor?
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Your Dem friends aren't questioning the Dems after watching what Dem governance has done to Minnetroit?
Right. Isn't that strange? Smart people but no awareness they are wrong or the dangers of their policies and their leaders.
There is more skepticism developing in black urban vote, than in the rich suburban liberal vote. They don't know it's a war or how close to it they are. They just want Trump to go away in defeat.
I asked, so what's the big attraction to Biden, is it his foreign policy successes? They laugh. They know he's a lousy candidate of no substance, a placeholder, he just represents the generic anti-Trump choice. It's all about Donald Trump - but it means nothing specific because they didn't vote R when it was Romney or McCain either and wouldn't vote Republican if it was Rubio or Pence.
The election is about turnout and its about people, not in the middle or undecided, but in transition from one side to the other.
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Barrett is well liked. CNN/SSRS' poll earlier this month had her with a +10 point net positivity rating among registered voters.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/amy-coney-barrett-analysis/index.html
How does that translate into the Presidential and Senate races when all R's vote yes and all Dems vote no? Aren't Court nominations and confirmations among the largest responsibilities of these elected officials?
Samuel Alito is 70, Clarence Thomas 72, Stephen Breyer 82. Separate from Court packing issues, the next 4 years may have no new appointments and may have 3 (or more).
Who do people want to choose the non-political branch? The party that promises outcome based choices, legislators in robes, or the party committed to picking Justices committed to upholding the constitution as written, as intended and as amended.
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First, Soutameyere has some major health issues. So that seat could open up as well if something happens.
Second, my Minnesota friend says that the MLPS Tribune is all in for Biden. And the Somali vote is huge and will go Biden. Rural goes Trump. Burbs could go Trump but the Wine Moms will tend to support Biden there. Expect fraud to be high, giving Biden the win.
Still at 278 locked in for Trump. Another 44 very possible. 15 others could fall into place as well.
And if a wave truly builds, could be up to 370. Will not go much higher than 370 though.
Polls are more and more showing a tightening race. Trying to adjust models slowly to affect reality and not trying to "persuade" voters towards Biden.
If Trump gets 20 or more of the black vote, then it becomes a tsunami and the Dems could be wiped out down ticket. Then the Civil War begins.
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Dem chair Tom Perez says this is a healthcare election.
Former R chair Reince Priebus says Trump will be pivoting to the economy.
Pivoting? Why isn't he on it every word of every spoken sentence, if that's the message?
Both sides are off message.
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very complicated
you can only vote in person if you are disabled
mail in ballots accepted if postmarked by No 3rd. meaning they could dribble in for x amount of time AFTER the election
we called because we were advised NOT to drop the ballots into these drop boxes set up around the county or mail them in
We asked where can we literally hand drop them off at the county election board but were told we can only do that on election day
the whole thing is changed around and geared for mail in balloting in NJ
we normally have a poll place two blocks from our house
that is not open this yr.
convenient excuse is corona
thanks to our second Goldman Sachs governor always, Democrats , who paternalistically look out for those who are not as smart or know what is best for us.
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Early reports out of MN appear to be very good. If MN goes Trump, then the tsunami may be real.
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No problem, most households have an extra $6500 per year lying around to pay the government to squander, don't they?
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OPINION REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Cost of Bidenomics
A new study on Biden’s tax, health-care, energy and regulation proposals predicts $6,500 less in median household income by 2030.
By The Editorial Board
Oct. 18, 2020
Joe Biden has shrewdly kept the campaign focus on Covid-19 and President Trump, which has helped him avoid having to talk much about his own policies. That’s especially true of his economic proposals, which a new study out Sunday from the Hoover Institution shows will have a damaging impact on growth, job creation and household income.
Mr. Biden often cites Moody’s, the credit-rating service, for saying his economic plan will yield faster growth and more jobs. “Wall Street,” he likes to say when he mentions Moody’s, as if that’s a conservative stamp of approval, even as he claims Mr. Trump is a captive of Wall Street.
But everyone knows most economists at today’s big financial institutions have a Keynesian bias that posits consumer demand and government spending as the main drivers of growth. That’s certainly true at Moody’s, whose chief economist is Mark Zandi, who in our view underestimates the impact of higher tax rates and regulation in his economic calculations. This isn’t a personal criticism, but a factual statement about his economic model.
We are also not predicting a “depression,” as Mr. Trump does, if Mr. Biden wins the election. On dire economic predictions, Mr. Trump is the mirror image of Paul Krugman on the left. The data show that the U.S. economy is recovering from the pandemic shutdowns faster than most economists predicted. Democrats may attempt to portray the economy as a disaster that requires trillions of dollars in new spending, but Mr. Biden would inherit an economy with strong growth momentum.
The housing market is booming, small-business sentiment is bullish, and manufacturing is on the rebound. Once a Covid-19 vaccine is approved, and better therapies become more widely available, the economy should take off as even Democratic governors ease their lockdowns. The service economy will revive as Americans feel safer, and the Federal Reserve will keep interest rates low as long as it can get away with it. Mr. Biden could do nothing and inherit a boom in 2021 and 2022.
The issue is whether Mr. Biden’s policies will nurture this strong recovery, or slow it down as Barack Obama’s policies did after the 2009 recession. This is where the Hoover study comes in, as it examines the Democrat’s proposals on health insurance, taxes, energy and regulation. The authors are economists Timothy Fitzgerald, Kevin Hassett, Cody Kallen and Casey Mulligan. Messrs. Hassett and Mulligan were members of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Trump White House, but then the boosters of Bidenomics are veterans of the Clinton-Obama Administrations.
Mr. Hassett has done pioneering work on the impact of corporate taxation and Mr. Mulligan of the University of Chicago on the impact of government subsidies that raise the marginal tax-rate barriers as workers try to climb the economic ladder. The 50-page Hoover study is valuable because it examines policies for their incentive and supply-side effects, rather than merely macroeconomic demand-side spending.
Overall, the authors estimate that the Biden agenda, if fully implemented, would reduce full-time equivalent employment per person by about 3%, the capital stock per person by some 15%, and real GDP per capita by more than 8%. Compared to Congressional Budget Office estimates for these variables in 2030, this means there would be 4.9 million fewer working Americans, $2.6 trillion less in GDP, and $6,500 less in median household income.
The analytical details are especially helpful on energy costs and the “labor wedge” against hiring that have received little attention. Mr. Biden denies he supports the Green New Deal, but his plans to promote electric vehicles and phase out fossil fuels go far beyond anything Mr. Obama proposed.
To take only one example, the electrification of most passenger cars would increase the per capita demand for electric power by 25% even as more than 70% of baseline electric power from fossil fuels would go offline. Bridging this supply-demand gulf would require enormous subsidies and far more investment and labor to achieve the same energy output. Mr. Biden’s energy plans would cut total factor productivity by 1%-2% across the entire economy.
Or consider Mr. Biden’s expansion of the Affordable Care Act and Medicare for those above age 60 (versus 65 now). These subsidies affect the incentive to work, and the authors estimate the ACA changes would increase the average marginal tax rate on labor by 2.4 percentage points. That’s nearly half as much as the six percentage points from the original ACA, which is part of the explanation for the agonizingly slow labor recovery in the Obama era.
Mr. Biden is also proposing substantial increases in business tax rates that will raise the cost of capital. The former Vice President likes to say he’d only raise the top corporate tax rate to 28% from 21%. But so-called pass-through entities (often small businesses) employ more than 40 million Americans, and most pay taxes at the individual tax rate.
“Biden’s plan to raise personal income and payroll tax rates would push their federal rates from below 40 percent to, often, above 50 percent, and these are on top of state income taxes,” the authors write.
Mr. Biden would also raise capital costs by phasing down bonus depreciation in the 2017 tax reform, and he’d raise labor costs by imposing the 12.4% Social Security payroll tax to income above $400,000. The $400,000 threshold isn’t indexed for inflation so it would apply to ever-more Americans as the years go by.
There is much more in the Hoover study, especially on the costs of returning to Obama-style regulation. Most of the media will ignore it, which is why we thought we’d provide readers with more than usual detail.
The risk from Joe Biden’s policies isn’t that they will send the economy reeling right away. The problem is that they will have a long-term corrosive impact by raising the cost of capital, reducing the incentive to work and invest, and reducing productivity across the economy. Americans will pay the price in a lower standard of living than they otherwise would—and that they deserve.
Copyright ©2020 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Subscribe at wsj.com.
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The giant hidden cost of Obamanomics, Bidenomics, Bernienomics, etc, (Harris is to the Left of Bernie) is lost economic growth.
Without maximum or at least robust economic growth:
Minority unemployment never gets solved.
Unrest = violence in our cities AND SUBURBS. Civil war.
We can't ever pay our debt or catch up with our budget. BANKRUPTCY
China passes us up - economically and militarily.
The US Dollar becomes a local currency - at best.
Energy becomes unaffordable to more and more people.
Industry leaves the US, like the 4600 companies that left before corporate tax reform.
Healthcare unaffordability worsens exponentially.
Only the rich can have nice homes. The rest will need subsidies.
While the neighborhood deteriorates, school choice is gone.
The only good news, abortion clinics everywhere!
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Have moved Wisconsin into Trump locked in.
286 EV now
40 up in air
One poll has Biden down to 50% in CA v Trump at 40%. 8% drop since the Hunter news came out. If this is accurate, then gonna get a wave and maybe tsunami election.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nbc-debate-moderator-spent-christmas-with-obamas-family-donated-thousands-to-democrats-including-biden
she was also caught on tape leaking debate questions to Hillary Rodham Corruption in 2016
the debate commission - pretending to be non partisan
are a f ing band of never trumpers
they should all get canned
from now the RNC has to not play ball with them
I hope Trump can dance around the fixed "moderation" in a way to shove it all back in their faces
I hope he is willing for once to listen to some pointers in this regards and NOT (correction) make it about his personality
(. :-o)
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:-D
My 286 locked in EV's. Plus the 40 that are up in the air with Trump likely to win. 326 total.
Now this.....
https://twitter.com/AirBossUT5/status/1317993183301627904 (https://twitter.com/AirBossUT5/status/1317993183301627904)
Damn I b good!
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who is air boss?
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Have no idea. But he gotta be good to match me.
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Looks like the Biden scandal heating up is costing him votes across the board in big numbers.
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At 51 Senate seats now for Reps with 2 outstanding.
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".At 51 Senate seats now for Reps with 2 outstanding."
I'll take it
http://www.iemoji.com/view/emoji/21/smileys-people/face-with-open-mouth-and-cold-sweat
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Democrats will drop a bomb on Trump tomorrow. (?)
There is no way these scandals and October surprises cut only one way.
Regret your early vote yet?
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No regrets.
NYT is already writing about Trump and a Chinese bank account. Also attempting to start businesses in China, Ireland and the UK. Pretty weak stuff.
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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/debate-hunterbiden-emails/2020/10/19/id/992697/
lets see
partisan debate commission will be ready for this too
cut off the mike
avoid the issue. ; claim it was not agreed on to discuss ; claim it was all debunked etc.
or ask it early with ' 1 or 2 minute ' limit with Joe being ready with canned answer then interrupt Trump to get to a more palatable gotcha questions for the benefit of Joe
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Biden uninterrupted is like having a Trump ad production session all scheduled and paid for.
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From the point of view of the right, and of the xountry, Trump has been a hundred or thousand times better than we could have imagined when elected.
Biden has been less polarizing than Hillary but equally corrupt and less than half as smart.
Liberals fear Trump because he has been effective. Hard to put that in a campaign ad.
When do those 3rd quarter GDP results come out?
The choice will clarify by election day, economic growth versus deep state corruption.
He needs to turn his last minute momentum to the House and Senate races. Shocking the media analysts would be a clean sweep, and get two years to get this country back on track.
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He did far better than I imagined, all while facing endless coup attempts and being undercut at every turn.
From the point of view of the right, and of the xountry, Trump has been a hundred or thousand times better than we could have imagined when elected.
Biden has been less polarizing than Hillary byt equally corrupt and less than half as smart.
Liberals fear Trump because he has been effective. Hard to put that in a campaign ad.
When do those 3rd quarter GDP results come out?
The choice will clarify by election day, economic growth versus deep state corruption.
He needs to turn his last minute momentum to the House and Senate races. Shocking the media analysts would be a clean sweep, and get two years to get this country back on track.
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https://www.bea.gov/news/schedule
Record GDP report: Oct 29.
Record Personal Income report Oct 30.
Election day Nov 3.
No wonder Dems want everyone to vote early.
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Also want Dems to vote early before the Hunter stuff becomes mainstream.
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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/heritage-immigration-biden-trump/2020/10/21/id/993114/
indeed only Trump and he only recently speaking about the wall has anyone at all spoken about it.
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not in my opinion
if he was that good he would be re elected hands down
he made it about his personality and about himself
could never stick to a script
made enemies even when he did not have to
and brought level of debate down to that of a 3rd grader
sorry
but my opinion
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/how-trump-should-approach-the-final-debate/
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not in my opinion
if he was that good he would be re elected hands down
he made it about his personality and about himself
could never stick to a script
made enemies even when he did not have to
and brought level of debate down to that of a 3rd grader
sorry
but my opinion
300 great judges appointed and confirmed
ISIS Caliphate defeated
Doubled the growth rate of the economy
Got NATO to pay their own defense
Lowered emissions more than all 'Paris Accord' signatories
Lowest US CO2 emissions in 67 years
Lowest black and Hispanic unemployment in history
Removed the Obamacare mandate penalty
Built key sections of the wall
Illegal border crossings way down
Ended a bad Iran deal
Moved US embassy to Jerusalem
Middle East Peace deals
New North American trade agreement
The great regulatory rollback
Ended 'Net neutrality' misnomer
Fracking, energy independence, oil and gas exports, affordable energy
Called out the danger that is Communist China
Brought down China's tariffs on US goods
Trump signs TAIPEI Act to support Taiwan’s international relations
Stopped the world takeover Huawei
Brought back US manufacturing
US Military rebuild
Stopped Little Rocket man
Lowered the highest business tax rates in the world
Lowered income inequality
VA reform, crisis solved
MS13 deportations
Kept Guantanamo open
Shift of US alliance from Pak to India
Blocked hostile China takeover of Qualcomm
Ended forced technology transfers to China
Blocked flights out of China (coronavirus)
The difference between black and white and unemployment at an all time low
Record wage growth
Highest Median household income in history
Brought investment back to the US
Took down Al Baghdadi, Soleimani
Cut foreign aid, to Palestinians, to Pakistan
Issued permits for pipelines
Lifted 8 million people out of poverty
42 percent improvement in wage growth
smallest ever pay gap between men and women
8 million no longer need food stamps
Hospital pricing transparency rules
Not one of these would have happened under Biden, Obama, Harris, HRC.
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50 cent doesn't want to be 20 cent.
https://fox8.com/news/i-dont-want-to-be-20-cent-rapper-50-cent-endorses-trump-for-president/
Jason Whitlock on Tucker:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/21/jason_whitlock_a_facade_that_black_men_cant_relate_to_trump.html
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/10/20/bidens_7_economic_deadly_sins_144489.html
...
No. 1: The most significant tax increase in the history of America.
Biden would raise taxes by some $4 trillion over the next decade.
The plan clobbers small businesses with a maximum corporate income tax rate from 21% now to 28%. The capital gains tax would skyrocket from 24% to 40% for those making more than $1 million per year, thus threatening to tank the stock market and reduce every family's retirement savings in America.
No. 2: The end of right-to-work laws in America.
Biden's plan forces millions of workers to join a union and pay union dues, whether they want to or not. Today, 27 states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Texas, have right-to-work laws that give workers the right to choose to join the union. The National Right to Work Association warns that these state laws are effectively repealed under the Biden plan. Big Labor bosses could snatch away thousands of dollars right out of workers' paychecks without their consent.
No. 3: The end of U.S. energy independence.
Under Trump, America has become energy independent for the first time in at least 50 years. Biden insists he won't ban fracking, but his radical energy agenda requires zero fossil fuels by 2035, which means hundreds of high-paying jobs lost in states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Texas. Saudi oil sheikhs and Russia will love that plan, but it sure isn't good for America.
No. 4: Higher death taxes.
The death tax is one of the most unfair taxes because the public already pays a lifetime of income taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes and property taxes. The Biden tax scheme of taxing 45% of a family farm, ranch or family-owned business could require these legacy businesses to break up to pay the taxes. That's un-American.
No. 5: Say hello again to the corrupt Paris climate treaty.
Trump wisely pulled the United States out because almost none of the countries has come close to meeting their pollution targets. They want America to pay all the bills, which Biden seems willing to do. We are already reducing carbon emissions more than virtually any other nation. China and India are adding multiple times as much pollution into the atmosphere as America is.
No. 6: A $400 billion blue-state bailout.
Biden wants states that have already balanced their budgets, such as Arizona, Tennessee and Florida, to bail out bankrupt blue states such as California, Illinois, New Jersey and New York. That isn't fair. It only rewards bad behavior and government lockdowns imposed by incompetent Democratic mayors and governors.
No. 7: A $15-an-hour minimum wage.
This will destroy millions of jobs for young people and low-skilled workers. It will severely damage poorer states with lower costs of living, such as Mississippi, Arkansas and South Carolina. Can you think of a worse time to saddle small businesses and restaurants with higher costs when so many firms are already facing bankruptcy due to the virus?
Is it any wonder that socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders and radical leftist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have enthusiastically embraced the Biden plan? Some economists, myself included, worry that we could be looking at a second Great Depression with the Biden policies. Something to think about over the next two weeks.
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Doug replied :
300 great judges appointed and confirmed
ISIS Caliphate defeated
Doubled the growth rate of the economy
Got NATO to pay their own defense
Lowered emissions more than all 'Paris Accord' signatories
Lowest US CO2 emissions in 67 years
Lowest black and Hispanic unemployment in history
Removed the Obamacare mandate penalty
Built key sections of the wall
Illegal border crossings way down
Ended a bad Iran deal
Moved US embassy to Jerusalem
Middle East Peace deals
New North American trade agreement
The great regulatory rollback
Ended 'Net neutrality' misnomer
Fracking, energy independence, oil and gas exports, affordable energy
Called out the danger that is Communist China
Brought down China's tariffs on US goods
Trump signs TAIPEI Act to support Taiwan’s international relations
Stopped the world takeover Huawei
Brought back US manufacturing
US Military rebuild
Stopped Little Rocket man
Lowered the highest business tax rates in the world
Lowered income inequality
VA reform, crisis solved
MS13 deportations
Kept Guantanamo open
Shift of US alliance from Pak to India
Blocked hostile China takeover of Qualcomm
Ended forced technology transfers to China
Blocked flights out of China (coronavirus)
The difference between black and white and unemployment at an all time low
Record wage growth
Highest Median household income in history
Brought investment back to the US
Took down Al Baghdadi, Soleimani
Cut foreign aid, to Palestinians, to Pakistan
Issued permits for pipelines
Lifted 8 million people out of poverty
42 percent improvement in wage growth
smallest ever pay gap between men and women
8 million no longer need food stamps
Hospital pricing transparency rules
Not one of these would have happened under Biden, Obama, Harris, HRC.
yes but he also will probably not be re elected
we will not retain the House and will likely lose seats in the Senate
The dems will get WH keep Congress and maybe take the Senate and reverse in very short order everything Trump did
and then some with court packing two new states which are as dem as kalifornia
I hope I am wrong but this is what we are looking at
and immigration flood gates will be opened
and we will be a one party country
best hope we hold the Senate
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The thought occurs:
If you were in control of all events and decisions made and wanted Democrats to blow this election, how would you script what has happened any differently?
Democrats picked Joe Biden, the dimmest bulb on the tree. All he had was a little bit of integrity and that is now shot. He was caught lying to the American people on a treason level corruption charge. Yes he was involved with his son's business dealings.
The Dem party is split. Neither the radical left not the centrists trust him and no one is excited for him to win.
Right when the candidate was supposed to reach to the middle, he picks for running mate the most leftward member of the Senate. His most important decision ever, since advising no go to Obama on the Osama bin Laden raid.
Coming into the final debate of monumental importance, he shut his campaign down for 5 days. Remember when John McCain did that for the good of the nation? How did that work out?
https://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-shocks-republicans
The last big news before the final vote will be the latest economic news - best quarterly growth ever.
Nothing motivates conservatives like a Supreme Court pick - and RBG dies with 45 days to go. Trump held his best and strongest for just this occasion - and glides through the process unscathed, wows even the Democrats who have to either vote no or kill themselves.
Back up to the summer. Unrest by Leftists in leftist run cites goes violent and the reaction of the left is to de-fund police, right up until it polls badly, but by then the mass departure of officers leaves the citizens unguarded while crime rates spike.
Democrats are left with the hollow claim that all coronavirus deaths are Trump's fault. But projections were for 2 million dead, 200,000 if we did "everything perfectly". We are 200k.
Great candidate for Senate in NC to finally take back control, military man who is still sleeping with his military buddies' wives. Fully exposed.
Then there is the Hunter hard drive. They ignored the treason, the corruption and back channel crime, the crack cocaine but they couldn't ignore the underage girls. We learn they hold 10% for the "big guy" and we learn the "big guy" was then VP Joe Biden.
Last but not least for Dems is to hold the House, but it turns out Speaker Nancy Pelosi has a 50% worse net disapproval than Trump and the key new suburban representatives have voting records 100% identical to hers. Their biggest achievement was to impeach Trump - for trying to get the corruption from their own party investigated. New documents now prove what they falsely called debunked.
5 days of debate prep don't change any one of these facts. But economic reports coming out next week prove Trump biggest claim true. The V-shaped recovery is a Super-V.
For Biden and Democrats on election day, what could possibly go wrong?
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/22/ann-coulter-stumper-should-trump-mention-his-most-popular-issue/
it seems Republicans have run away from this issue altogether
that means the illegals have won
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Trump still holding at 286 EV with 40 EV open for taking.
Early turn out by mail and in person voting is all of a sudden swinging towards Trump in party affiliation.
Florida
Nevada
Ohio
and other states are showing Reps to be greatly motivated while Dems not so much.
Right now, have the Senate worst case going 51 Reps and 49 Dems. Best case could be 54 Reps. McSally looks like she will hang on. Collins will probably lose.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/22/ann-coulter-stumper-should-trump-mention-his-most-popular-issue/
it seems Republicans have run away from this issue altogether
that means the illegals have won
He's building the wall, stopped the caravans in their tracks, reduced the flow, deported the criminals, enforcing immigration laws, prosecuted those caught crossing and pushed travel bans to their limits. If this is a voter's first issue, only issue, Coulter aside, who are they going to vote for?
https://www.dhs.gov/stopping-illegal-immigration-and-securing-border
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JROYihW671E&feature=emb_logo 1 minute ad.
And if I don't agree with them, will they hurt me? - Fair question.
Stop the Radical Left.
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Florida
In-person early voting totals after day 3.
Republicans
483,443
Democlowns
392,530
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GAWD!
An email group that both CD and I are involved in is going nuts for about 4 days. Damned female liberal attorney in Seattle will not accept anything positive about Trump or negative about Biden. Claims he is innocent of everything and Trump is guilty of everything.
She is being challenged by about 10 of us, but our information is not any good because it has not been "verified."
Total insanity
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".And if I don't agree with them, will they hurt me? - Fair question."
did you see my post on. Robert Reich?
America's version of this man:
Nikolai Yezhov
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yes they are hurting us when we don't agree
go to out houses threaten our jobs go after us on social media
chase us in the streets
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".He's building the wall, stopped the caravans in their tracks, reduced the flow, deported the criminals, enforcing immigration laws, prosecuted those caught crossing and pushed travel bans to their limits. If this is a voter's first issue, only issue, Coulter aside, who are they going to vote for?
https://www.dhs.gov/stopping-illegal-immigration-and-securing-border"
OK
so why run from this?
except at rallies
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".He's building the wall, stopped the caravans in their tracks, reduced the flow, deported the criminals, enforcing immigration laws, prosecuted those caught crossing and pushed travel bans to their limits. If this is a voter's first issue, only issue, Coulter aside, who are they going to vote for?
https://www.dhs.gov/stopping-illegal-immigration-and-securing-border"
OK
so why run from this?
except at rallies
Maybe he's being block headed. Maybe they know what needs to be emphasized to win.
There is a narrow band of middle undecided on who to vote for and maybe an even narrower band of conservatives undecided on whether to vote at all.
It could be that the border enforcement people are also motivated by his court appointments or some other issue.
If he wins, his targeting of people and issues was brilliant. If he loses it was stupid. The difference might be a tenth of a percent in 3 states.
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]BY JOHN HINDERAKER
NICE JOB BY TRUMP
Tonight’s debate went well for President Trump, I thought. The moderator was pro-Biden; she didn’t ask him any hard questions and avoided the subjects where he is most vulnerable. But that was a given. She was considerably better than Chris Wallace, and better than most.
Unlike the first debate, President Trump stayed calm and in control. His answers were generally sharp and he got in plenty of shots against Joe Biden. Biden didn’t do too badly, probably reflecting the fact that he rested up for several days before the event. But he faded noticeably as the evening wore on.
Maybe the most significant moment was when Biden admitted (no surprise to anyone who has paid attention) that his administration would phase out oil and gas production–not exactly a winning platform.
Trump also came back repeatedly to the theme that Biden is full of promises, but what did he accomplish when he was in Washington for 47 years and Vice President for 8? Biden could only respond by implicitly throwing Barack Obama under the bus. And there were plenty of references to Biden’s longstanding corruption, which Biden could answer only with blanket denials.
One striking thing about Biden is how often he lies. He apparently feels secure in the knowledge that all press “fact checkers” are members of his party; otherwise he might hesitate to tell such bald-face whoppers. No doubt he will, for now, get away with his offenses against truth. But I think his chances of winning the election grew a little dimmer tonight.
John H. Hinderaker
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and immigration was brought up last night :-D
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https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/10/23/debate-recap-trump-was-in-command-while-biden-told-a-bunch-of-whoppers-n1079330
In one of the most egregious moments, Biden attempted to blame Trump for every single death from COVID-19.
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One of the whoppers, PolitiFacts Lue of the year 2013 repeated,
“Not one single person on private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under Obamacare. They did not lose their insurance unless they chose something else,” Biden said during the debate.
- Umm Joe, I lost mine.
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“You mean the laptop is now another Russia! Russia! Russia! hoax?” Trump asked, flabbergasted. “Is this where you’re going? The laptop is Russia! Russia! Russia!? You’ve got to be kidding. Here we go again with Russia.”
The Hunter Biden scandal is not going away. Ironically, Biden was the first one to bring it up, and he fell into trap after trap on the issue.
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naturally the "academics" who are for sure Trump haters
make up their stories :
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/who-won-trump-biden-debate-experts-grade-candidates-n1244481
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/10/22/joe-biden-doesnt-remember-vowing-to-ban-fracking-heres-the-video-n1079337
I was for it before I was against it before I was for it before I was against it. Why do you keep asking me this when I've already answered it? Abraham Lincoln was racist by the way.
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Biden said all the illegals show up for their hearing. Trump said none of them do. Or something like that. Someone else on the internet can research the exact words and known numbers and we'll add it to this topic. The right answer is that almost none of them do and Biden is lying through his false teeth.
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Rasmussen Florida
Trump 49, Biden 46
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/florida_trump_49_biden_46
One Biden-winning theory was that if Biden takes Florida, the rest of the map gets very difficult to impossible for Trump.
We will see.
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"Biden said all the illegals show up for their hearing. Trump said none of them do. Or something like that. Someone else on the internet can research the exact words and known numbers and we'll add it to this topic. The right answer is that almost none of them do and Biden is lying through his false teeth."
I noticed this too
my recollection is at most 10% show up, not "all".
of course they do NOT show up .
msm will totally ignore this lie
as always. cover for all lyin' democrats.
I liked the way Trump turned around the attempt by the moderator and Joe to make our hearts sag at the image of the children in cages
and how mean and heartless the orange man is
bullshit, when he kept pointing out ObamJoe were the ones who built the "cages"
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Based upon Biden's no more oil comment, have just moved PA into the Trump column.
Now 306 EV for Trump
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OTOH the PA Supreme Court ruled that Board of Elections may not disqualify mail in ballots when signatures do not match.
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OTOH the PA Supreme Court ruled that Board of Elections may not disqualify mail in ballots when signatures do not match.
Of course, Silver Alert Joe will need every bogus ballot to be counted.
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Expect this to be challenged in SCOTUS after Barrett is confirmed. Then overturn PA SC.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/dnyuz.com/2020/10/23/rasmussen-poll-says-46-of-black-voters-approve-of-president-trump/amp/
The game is changing.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-won-the-debate-but-won-bigly-the-post-debate/
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/president-trump-vice-president-pence-60-minutes-interview-lesley-stahl-2020-10-25/
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An astute friend writes what you see below-- he is free of course to take credit if he wishes:
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In all of your reading, did you learn that effective Jan 1, 2020, the USA imposed travel restrictions and a travel advisory on all people traveling to China from the USA and entering into the USA with visa stamps on their passports from China in the 30 days prior to entry? Those advisories led to the discovery of the first patient who likely spread the virus into the Kirkland WA nursing home.
The federal government knew of the potentially harmful effects of the virus in late January from the videos smuggled out of China, the discovery of Patient Zero in Kirkland by the State of Washington health authorities, and the spread of the virus on the cruise ship(s) in late January. Those things plus the receipt of the virus RNA from China prompted the administration to create task force in very late January. A few days after the task force was created, the US increased the restrictions to a full ban on travel to and from China. They brought home all those US citizens and legal residents who were living or working in China.
So, yes, in late January, we knew that the virus could cause serious health issues in certain people who got it, but since we only got the RNA from China on about Jan 24th, we did not yet know the risk of spreading and the likely infection fatality rate.
As I informed my readers back on January 22nd, Wuhan is the size of NYC and it is home to China’s fiber optics industry in a big enterprise zone that is located there. If you recall, the first two weeks of earnings season in late January were fraught with analyst questions about the existence of any negative impacts from the virus in China. Even Apple gave normal guidance for its Q1-CY 2020 (its Q2-FY 2020). Then, around Feb 4th, things began to change. Lumentum, the spin off from the old JDS Uniphase, warned that its fiscal quarter ending in March would have negative revenue impacts from China. A cascade started and reached a crescendo when Apple pulled its revenue guidance.
The link between Wuhan and northern Italy and Germany became clearer when you realized that there is a series of optical equipment factories and labs in northern Italy all the way to Trieste that are connected to Wuhan. Lumentum has 7 facilities in that area – many of which were acquired from Oclaro (for Gilder folks, the company that ended up buying Avanex – “don’t let it get away.”). Also, in the same area, many clothing and accessory factories employed Chinese workers of which about 50,000 came from Hubei Province. A lot of these people went home for lunar new year and returned to northern Italy in early to mid-February. About 10-14 days later, we began reading about the mounting cases in Lombardy emergency rooms and the sudden surge in deaths there. Americans, including many students on overseas college trips and study programs brought the virus back home to the USA by mid-March when they started being brought home. By that time, it was too late to stop the virus here.
It’s very easy in September-October to say six months after the fact that you would have done things differently in February and March. Except nobody on the Dem side of the aisle said any such thing; and, they also knew the potential lethality of the virus because it was out there publicly in the media. The CDC and Fauci said nothing other than right now there was nothing to fear. Two weeks later, there was something to fear – for a certain segment of the population. Fauci said masks were not necessary, but social distancing was necessary. So was frequent hand washing and avoiding large crowds. And you can post facto rationalize his statements into your own narrative if it makes you feel better, but the truth is that our infectious disease experts were caught by surprise by a virus that attacked our population asymmetrically compared to past experiences. Their mechanisms for responding to a novel virus were slow and cumbersome given the speed in which we needed to respond. And, IMO, from about March 20-29th, the experts had panicked because they realized that their traditional methods would not be enough to stop the virus. So, they went full CYA to Trump with the IHME model estimate of 2.2 million dead and asked for extra help. Trump responded well. He mobilized the federal government resources as fast as possible and he cut through the bureaucratic red tape quickly.
If we ever get to a point where we can review the facts objectively and dispassionately, on balance, Trump will be the major reason why we were able to mitigate a potentially worse outcome. That is not possible now because so many people are polarized for him or against him based upon his personality. Quite frankly, I am proud of how everyone pulled together back in March and April and solved the ventilator problem, solved a lot of the PPE problem, worked on ramping testing, and stood aside and let the health care pro’s in the field treat their patients as they presented with symptoms.
To use a Bidenism: “Here’s the deal. The experts told us to hunker down until March 31st and we did. Then, the experts told us to hunker another 30 days and we did. All to slow the spread so there would be enough hospital capacity. Then, the experts changed the rules and told us we needed to remain hunkered down until there is a vaccine. But then they said it was all right to protest certain issues in large groups. Then, they said we couldn’t buy gardening supplies, but we could buy booze and pot. And we couldn’t go to our summer homes and spend lots of time outside. And then they said we had to eat outside, but not inside a restaurants. But we could gather in crowds in supermarkets if we walked one way in aisles. By June, it became clear that “the experts” had their own agendas. And they really didn’t know much more than us about avoiding the virus. After all, it’s now over 7 months after we started to slow the spread and they say nothing we did worked. But it’s our fault – not theirs. Less than 3% of the population has tested positive out of over 80 million tests performed. And we’re approaching the 250th day to slow the spread. C’mon man. We still need to listen to the experts because they know best.”
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/28/democrats-no-ban-act-coronavirus-china/
An astute friend writes what you see below-- he is free of course to take credit if he wishes:
=======================================================================
In all of your reading, did you learn that effective Jan 1, 2020, the USA imposed travel restrictions and a travel advisory on all people traveling to China from the USA and entering into the USA with visa stamps on their passports from China in the 30 days prior to entry? Those advisories led to the discovery of the first patient who likely spread the virus into the Kirkland WA nursing home.
The federal government knew of the potentially harmful effects of the virus in late January from the videos smuggled out of China, the discovery of Patient Zero in Kirkland by the State of Washington health authorities, and the spread of the virus on the cruise ship(s) in late January. Those things plus the receipt of the virus RNA from China prompted the administration to create task force in very late January. A few days after the task force was created, the US increased the restrictions to a full ban on travel to and from China. They brought home all those US citizens and legal residents who were living or working in China.
So, yes, in late January, we knew that the virus could cause serious health issues in certain people who got it, but since we only got the RNA from China on about Jan 24th, we did not yet know the risk of spreading and the likely infection fatality rate.
As I informed my readers back on January 22nd, Wuhan is the size of NYC and it is home to China’s fiber optics industry in a big enterprise zone that is located there. If you recall, the first two weeks of earnings season in late January were fraught with analyst questions about the existence of any negative impacts from the virus in China. Even Apple gave normal guidance for its Q1-CY 2020 (its Q2-FY 2020). Then, around Feb 4th, things began to change. Lumentum, the spin off from the old JDS Uniphase, warned that its fiscal quarter ending in March would have negative revenue impacts from China. A cascade started and reached a crescendo when Apple pulled its revenue guidance.
The link between Wuhan and northern Italy and Germany became clearer when you realized that there is a series of optical equipment factories and labs in northern Italy all the way to Trieste that are connected to Wuhan. Lumentum has 7 facilities in that area – many of which were acquired from Oclaro (for Gilder folks, the company that ended up buying Avanex – “don’t let it get away.”). Also, in the same area, many clothing and accessory factories employed Chinese workers of which about 50,000 came from Hubei Province. A lot of these people went home for lunar new year and returned to northern Italy in early to mid-February. About 10-14 days later, we began reading about the mounting cases in Lombardy emergency rooms and the sudden surge in deaths there. Americans, including many students on overseas college trips and study programs brought the virus back home to the USA by mid-March when they started being brought home. By that time, it was too late to stop the virus here.
It’s very easy in September-October to say six months after the fact that you would have done things differently in February and March. Except nobody on the Dem side of the aisle said any such thing; and, they also knew the potential lethality of the virus because it was out there publicly in the media. The CDC and Fauci said nothing other than right now there was nothing to fear. Two weeks later, there was something to fear – for a certain segment of the population. Fauci said masks were not necessary, but social distancing was necessary. So was frequent hand washing and avoiding large crowds. And you can post facto rationalize his statements into your own narrative if it makes you feel better, but the truth is that our infectious disease experts were caught by surprise by a virus that attacked our population asymmetrically compared to past experiences. Their mechanisms for responding to a novel virus were slow and cumbersome given the speed in which we needed to respond. And, IMO, from about March 20-29th, the experts had panicked because they realized that their traditional methods would not be enough to stop the virus. So, they went full CYA to Trump with the IHME model estimate of 2.2 million dead and asked for extra help. Trump responded well. He mobilized the federal government resources as fast as possible and he cut through the bureaucratic red tape quickly.
If we ever get to a point where we can review the facts objectively and dispassionately, on balance, Trump will be the major reason why we were able to mitigate a potentially worse outcome. That is not possible now because so many people are polarized for him or against him based upon his personality. Quite frankly, I am proud of how everyone pulled together back in March and April and solved the ventilator problem, solved a lot of the PPE problem, worked on ramping testing, and stood aside and let the health care pro’s in the field treat their patients as they presented with symptoms.
To use a Bidenism: “Here’s the deal. The experts told us to hunker down until March 31st and we did. Then, the experts told us to hunker another 30 days and we did. All to slow the spread so there would be enough hospital capacity. Then, the experts changed the rules and told us we needed to remain hunkered down until there is a vaccine. But then they said it was all right to protest certain issues in large groups. Then, they said we couldn’t buy gardening supplies, but we could buy booze and pot. And we couldn’t go to our summer homes and spend lots of time outside. And then they said we had to eat outside, but not inside a restaurants. But we could gather in crowds in supermarkets if we walked one way in aisles. By June, it became clear that “the experts” had their own agendas. And they really didn’t know much more than us about avoiding the virus. After all, it’s now over 7 months after we started to slow the spread and they say nothing we did worked. But it’s our fault – not theirs. Less than 3% of the population has tested positive out of over 80 million tests performed. And we’re approaching the 250th day to slow the spread. C’mon man. We still need to listen to the experts because they know best.”
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Young voters ages 18 – 30 are heavily for Joe Biden, by a 2 to 1 margin or more. But there are questions as to how strongly they will turn out. Young voters tend to turn out somewhat weakly, except when a candidate excites them, as Obama did in 2008. Is there much excitement for Biden among youth? Hatred of Trump may be sufficient, but this is a large unknown variable. Add to this the displacement of students from their campus environment where some may be registered and where get-out-the-vote efforts are more easily organized in normal times, and I can easily see a light turnout from young voters.
- Steve Hayward, Powerlineblog.com
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Europe’s COVID second wave spike shows the futility of lockdowns and mask mandates, as well as the phoniness of the Dems’ criticism of Trump.
- Thomas Lifson, American Thinker
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The final debate has turned this into a national referendum on banning fracking, ending oil and gas, the end od low gas prices and energy independence.
The politics of this was tested in blue state, firmer swing state Colorado in the Democrat turnout year of 2018. Prop 112 put reasonable / unreasonable restrictions on fracking near residential areas. The effect would be harmful to energy prices and to jobs. Voters said no.
https://www-denverpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.denverpost.com/2018/11/06/colorado-proposition-112-results/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16037199536427&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.denverpost.com%2F2018%2F11%2F06%2Fcolorado-proposition-112-results%2F
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Google searches for “can I change my vote” spiked on Sunday in the wake of the release of sex tapes that purportedly belong to Hunter Biden. - Gateway Pundit
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390977.php
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If Trump ends up winning, the reasons easily write themselves, the economy, weak opponent, extremist over-reach of the left, etc.
If Biden and the Democrats win, I've had a hard time figuring out what the reasons would be.
Here is the opposing view, Tim Alberta of Politico, giving 16 reasons why this year is different than 2016.
Reading through them, I only find one reason, polling.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/27/alberta-final-feelings-2020-election-432718
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"Biden will beat George!"
reminds me of a patient I had with memory loss who when I asked her who is president she replied , "Roosevelt"
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Trending: Trump tops Biden, 48% to 47%, with 52% approval rating.
Careful when you hear people say, 'all the polls say' .
After the fact we often hear, 'the only poll that got it right'.
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Trump tops Biden, 48% to 47%
that we mysteriously
change to 48 % biden and 47 % trump
a week or so AFTER election
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? SDNY to come out with criminal charges for some trumped up tax thing?
new anonymous source with some made up dirt?
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Our new @trafalgar_group #2020Election #BattlegroundState #PApoll conducted Oct 24-25 shows undecided shrinking and a narrow Trump lead for the first time:
48.4% @realDonaldTrump,
47.6% @JoeBiden,
2.2% @Jorgensen4POTUS,
0.7% Other,
1.0% Und. See Report: https://t.co/qf16dkxc...
Yesterday InsiderAdvantage had Trump up by 2 in PA.
IBD has 65 yo+ breaking strongly towards Trump now.
2016 all over again.
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I needed that to start my day!
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Still have Trump with 306 EV. NV, NH and MN on the fence.
Don't think Trump can get any of them except maybe NH if he gets real lucky.
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Should hold Senate with 51 or 52.
House, gone again.
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"IBD has 65 yo+ breaking strongly towards Trump now."
Also I think it is Wisconsin early vote reporting young vote (Biden vote) not showing up. If they don't vote early compared to other groups, they mostly won't vote at all. If you are young, what is to excite you about Biden? He knew Obama and Obama was hip / cool? Obama has never had any luck dragging anyone but himself over the finish line.
We heard a talk by a Washington 'expert' yesterday, he represents the largest insurance company in the world there. He basically said the defects in the polls were repaired since 2016, that Dems will pick up 5 in the House, win'' the Senate with a tie at 50 by winning 4 and losing Alabama, and take the White House (breaking the tie in the Senate). [If the polls are wrong, all that has no meaning.]
If the polls are significantly and structurally wrong, why wouldn't Republicans gain 17 House seats?
RCP this morning, Trump is 1.2% behind where he was in 2016 in the 'battleground states'. All other things equal, he did not have 1.2% to spare.
There are more more late breaking facts this year to break Trump's way * but there is less significance to that with 56 million already voted(?).
* Late breaking facts this year to break Trump's way: Huge economic growth numbers, Biden guilty in scandal, Biden gaffes, realization of 'transition off of oil and gas' 'green new deal' admission and ... the Kamala cackle.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/will-kamala-harris-push-biden-to-the-left/#x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f997AsNsbPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y236uwIbskE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyH2AmyhWnk&list=PLXsPyX8RCTYz70Mw8kFihfM1U3CwdUkbg
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1000 rioters, 30 police injured in Philly 'peaceful protest'. Who does this spectacle help, hurt in the final countdown?
Imagine the backlash if tea party protests looted cities and attacked and injured the police.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walter-wallace-jr-philadelphia-police-shooting-second-night-clashes-looting/
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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2016/11/08/hillary-clinton-has-got-this-probably-very-probably
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Trump is 1.2% behind where he was in 2016 in the 'battleground states'. All other things equal, he did not have 1.2% to spare.
especially with the voter fraud
we need to be up more than that
we know elections rigged
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Trump is 1.2% behind where he was in 2016 in the 'battleground states'. All other things equal, he did not have 1.2% to spare.
especially with the voter fraud
we need to be up more than that
we know elections rigged
Yes, they admit building the biggest vote fraud operation ever.
The other exception to "all other things equal" is that nearly all late breaking news is breaking Trump's way, Middle East peace treaties, radical Leftists gone wild, economic growth, Biden corruption. Democrats are stuck with the department store rape case from the 90's, going nowhere.
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2018 midterms OTOH were under the cloud of the Mueller investigation and the possibility the President might be a Russian spy.
675 days of investigations with 60 FBI agents and lawyers, 2,800 subpoenas, 500 witnesses, 500 search warrants executed, looking into everything down to his business deals and tax returns came up with NOTHING.
That's not where Democrats expected to be right now.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/24/mueller-report-trump-campaign-investigation-numbers/3263353002/
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"Aggregate polls tend to obscure the dynamic changes in the voters’ candidate preferences especially among the demographic groups that can decide the election."
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https://news.yahoo.com/kavanaughs-opinion-wisconsin-voting-case-121221776.html
"The Supreme Court decision Monday effectively barring the counting of mail-in ballots in Wisconsin that arrive after Election Day was not a surprise for many Democrats, who had pressed for it but expected to lose.
But a concurring opinion by Justice Brett Kavanaugh set off alarms among civil rights and Democratic Party lawyers, who viewed it as giving public support to President Donald Trump’s arguments that any results counted after Nov. 3 could be riddled with fraudulent votes — an assertion unsupported by the history of elections in the United States"
FAKE news !
voter fraud exists and is very under reported - try proving it!
It is rigged so it is hard to prove - lawyers know how to skirt the laws - the same dem operatives who claim it does not exist
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
They rig the system so they can harvest votes in the close election locations and when the repubs point it out they turn around and bitch about it
and start sounding "alarms " about SCOTUS justices
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Reputable polls continue to show tightening race or even Trump ahead.
Don't pay attention to following biased polls
YouGov
Monkey
PPP
Q
Shaw
A few others also.
Florida looking so much better with the early voting. Dem early lead voting dropping about 40-50k every day. About 250k right now for a lead. They should need about 600k for a Biden win.
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EV in FL now down to 231 Dem lead.
Dropping fast.
Unless Reps have really pushed forward their Election Day voting, it will be a solid Trump win.
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"Unless Reps have really pushed forward their Election Day voting, it will be a solid Trump win."
I will buy everyone here PP, CD , Doug , and GM a maga hat
If Trump wins
not expecting to be out any money but hope I am wrong
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FL
Dem early voting lead now down to 225k.
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CCP
DOOOOM!
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Told ya Wisconsin going Trump
Our new @trafalgar_group #2020Election #BattlegroundState #WIpoll conducted Oct 24-25 shows undecided shrinking and a razor thin Biden lead:
47.5% @JoeBiden,
47.1% @realDonaldTrump,
3.1% @Jorgensen4POTUS,
1.2% Other,
1.1% Und. See Report: https://t.co/VAoU4iJFHb
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for refusing to make a deal
till after election
and for threats to close everything down AGAIN
this might help Trump get re elected
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Democrats plan to win with the youth vote.
Democrats push hard for the mail-in vote. Democrats didn't seem to know that there are people in their twenties and thirties that have never mailed a letter.
What could go wrong?
I'm so old I can remember when 'the stupid party' referred to Republicans.
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FL 211k early votes now separate
Reps closed gap by 36k already today.
At this pace, by Tues morn, all will be about equal. Of course, depends upon who the Indies come out for.
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FL 211k early votes now separate
Reps closed gap by 36k already today.
At this pace, by Tues morn, all will be about equal. Of course, depends upon who the Indies come out for.
Personally... I voted Trump last time. With his attacks on the 2nd Amendment though, I'm definitely voting for Jorgensen this time. Ive seen several who have this attitude - "take the guns first....due process 2nd."
Two years of House and Senate control, zero gun laws repealed. Reauthorized Patriot Act....pretends to be pro 2nd amendment.
Jorgensen wont win...but she's only aiming for 5% to get federal funding.
Still, Trump didn't do himself any favors with people that used to support him.
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A vote for Jorgensen is a vote for Biden then.
Fortunately, far more Dems are deserting Biden for Trump.
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A vote for Jorgensen is a vote for Biden then.
Fortunately, far more Dems are deserting Biden for Trump.
No. A vote is a vote.
If one casts a vote for Jorgensen then the count looks like this:
Biden 0
Trump 0
Jorgensen 1
Especially when federal funding for future elections is involved. Has always been interesting how supporters of either major party seems to tally a vote for a third party, as support for the other major party.
There is a center of the universe. Neither major party is it.
Best of luck.
Edit: Just curious, do you have a source to your claim that more democratic are abandoning Biden for Trump, or is that conjecture? Not being rude. Honestly curious.
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Mostly anedoctel evidence for now. Will try and get you some sources.
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Here is an old one.
https://www.newsweek.com/10-percent-democrats-will-vote-trump-poll-says-1516431
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Also
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/16/minnesota-democrat-switch-trump-election
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Also
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/16/minnesota-democrat-switch-trump-election
Interesting poll and article. Thank you.
It will be curious to see how the election between Trump, Harris and Jorgensen, turns out.
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FLORIDA
Separation is now 203k with a couple of hours left for today.
Keeps and it will be about tied for sure come Tuesday. And Reps usually win the Election Day vote numbers.
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all the broward dade county
you know whos running around as we speak to harvest ballots
Palm Beach County Jews will show up on election day to vote
most are Dems I used to live there
Miami Jews too.
Democrat lawyers already hard at work
ready to file the lawsuits if the count does not go there way
2000 all over again
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(http://ace.mu.nu/archives/WinniethePoohElection.jpg)
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"pretends to be pro 2nd amendment."
- Appointed 300 judges and 3 supreme court justices who will uphold the constitution including the second amendment. That is libertarian. Joe Biden will do the exact opposite. If you're not doing everything you can legally to stop him, you're working against your own stated interest in my opinion. Only one person can beat the Left anti-liberty, anti-gun candidate. Like it or not, that is Trump.
Correcting your math, if you vote Jorgenson, whoever that is, the score will be closer to something like this:
Biden 70 million
Trump 70 million
Jorgenson 1
Others here have been libertarian. Plenty of other people have been frustrated with the two parties, Trump ran against the two parties, but the people who actually get elected do it from inside the two parties. Trump knows that. Rand Paul knows that. Bernie knows that. AOC and Omar know. Ralph Nader doesn't. These crucial elections to save the country turn binary. There are two possible winners and there are footnotes. You don't advance what you say you care about by letting the Left win and pass laws, screw up the judicial system and undermine our rights and liberties.
My humble opinion.
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I am actually registered as a Libertarian. I voted for Trump because I didn't want to waste my vote.
"pretends to be pro 2nd amendment."
- Appointed 300 judges and 3 supreme court justices who will uphold the constitution including the second amendment. That is libertarian. Joe Biden will do the exact opposite. If you're not doing everything you can legally to stop him, you're working against your own stated interest in my opinion. Only one person can beat the Left anti-liberty, anti-gun candidate. Like it or not, that is Trump.
Correcting your math, if you vote Jorgenson, whoever that is, the score will be closer to something like this:
Biden 70 million
Trump 70 million
Jorgenson 1
Others here have been libertarian. Plenty of other people have been frustrated with the two parties, Trump ran against the two parties, but the people who actually get elected do it from inside the two parties. Trump knows that. Rand Paul knows that. Bernie knows that. AOC and Omar know. Ralph Nader doesn't. These crucial elections to save the country turn binary. There are two possible winners and there are footnotes. You don't advance what you say you care about by letting the Left win and pass laws, screw up the judicial system and undermine our rights and liberties.
My humble opinion.
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"pretends to be pro 2nd amendment."
- Appointed 300 judges and 3 supreme court justices who will uphold the constitution including the second amendment. That is libertarian. Joe Biden will do the exact opposite. If you're not doing everything you can legally to stop him, you're working against your own stated interest in my opinion. Only one person can beat the Left anti-liberty, anti-gun candidate. Like it or not, that is Trump.
Correcting your math, if you vote Jorgenson, whoever that is, the score will be closer to something like this:
Biden 70 million
Trump 70 million
Jorgenson 1
Others here have been libertarian. Plenty of other people have been frustrated with the two parties, Trump ran against the two parties, but the people who actually get elected do it from inside the two parties. Trump knows that. Rand Paul knows that. Bernie knows that. AOC and Omar know. Ralph Nader doesn't. These crucial elections to save the country turn binary. There are two possible winners and there are footnotes. You don't advance what you say you care about by letting the Left win and pass laws, screw up the judicial system and undermine our rights and liberties.
My humble opinion.
Odd... Can't find the Whig party anywhere. Why is that?
"Take the guns first....due process second." Donald Trump Smacks of constitutionality.
As does every other infringement upon it.
Lincoln... Also third party.
The Soviet Union ceased existing with roughly the passage of nine hours. Biden nor Trump are going to cause the world to stop spinning. Four million years of Hominid existence...will continue. Queue the scene from Monolith 2001... We're still here. 5% of the vote and federal funding for elections is a victory, so we're not tallying numbers the same.
Biden 70,000,000
Trump 70,000,000
Jorgensen 7,000,000 = solid win.
Edit: Bears mentioning that even Trump himself...was and is an outsider....still won...readily acknowledged elsewhere here, in this same site.
GM:
And... You didn't. You voted for who you felt the appropriate choice was.
Excellent. Was just going over Socrates' thoughts on democracy and voting.
Then again... They executed him... What do I know?
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Where would our gun rights be if Hillary was running for her second term right now? Any rights for that matter?
"pretends to be pro 2nd amendment."
- Appointed 300 judges and 3 supreme court justices who will uphold the constitution including the second amendment. That is libertarian. Joe Biden will do the exact opposite. If you're not doing everything you can legally to stop him, you're working against your own stated interest in my opinion. Only one person can beat the Left anti-liberty, anti-gun candidate. Like it or not, that is Trump.
Correcting your math, if you vote Jorgenson, whoever that is, the score will be closer to something like this:
Biden 70 million
Trump 70 million
Jorgenson 1
Others here have been libertarian. Plenty of other people have been frustrated with the two parties, Trump ran against the two parties, but the people who actually get elected do it from inside the two parties. Trump knows that. Rand Paul knows that. Bernie knows that. AOC and Omar know. Ralph Nader doesn't. These crucial elections to save the country turn binary. There are two possible winners and there are footnotes. You don't advance what you say you care about by letting the Left win and pass laws, screw up the judicial system and undermine our rights and liberties.
My humble opinion.
Odd... Can't find the Whig party anywhere. Why is that?
"Take the guns first....due process second." Donald Trump Smacks of constitutionality.
As does every other infringement upon it.
Lincoln... Also third party.
The Soviet Union ceased existing with roughly the passage of nine hours. Biden nor Trump are going to cause the world to stop spinning. Four million years of Hominid existence...will continue. Queue the scene from Monolith 2001... We're still here. 5% of the vote and federal funding for elecrions is a victory, so we're not tallying numbers the same.
Biden 70,000,000
Trump 70,000,000
Jorgensen 7,000,000 = solid win.
GM:
And... You didn't. You voted for who you felt the appropriate choice was.
Excellent. Was just going over Socrates' thoughts on democracy and voting.
Then again... They executed him... What do I know?
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Where would our gun rights be if Hillary was running for her second term right now? Any rights for that matter?
With an armed populace dissolving the American version of the Cheka/NKVD would be my guess. The Russians did it and they weren't even armed.
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"Biden 70,000,000
Trump 70,000,000
Jorgensen 7,000,000 = solid win"
Math correction, IMHO, evenly divided electorate
Biden 70 million
Trump 63 million
Libertarian 7 million
Double digit, landslide win for Biden.
L is the spoiler, not the winner.
Closer to reality:
Biden 70 million
Trump 69,999,999
Libertarian 1
Solid victory for whom? Only the one they inaugurate. Neither of those scenarios advances my liberty, or yours. Sorry.
If you can build a libertarian party to be bigger than today's R party WITHOUT losing everything we have to the Left along the way, great. But you can't.
Libertarians don't control the R party, why? Because they don't have enough support. Not because they are shut down or kept out.
Make the issues argument all day and all night long, year round and throughout the election, but don't help the left win elections while saying you care about liberty. Makes no sense in my view.
Leftists more clever than us try to get Libertarians on the ballots siphoning off votes from conservatives all the time. Know your enemy.
One example: https://www.propublica.org/article/in-montana-dark-money-helped-democrats-hold-a-key-senate-seat
Result in Montana race: D +1, R -1, L = 0 One vote swung in a divided US Senate is a big deal.
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"Biden 70,000,000
Trump 70,000,000
Jorgensen 7,000,000 = solid win"
Math correction, IMHO, evenly divided electorate
Biden 70 million
Trump 63 million
Libertarian 7 million
Double digit, landslide win for Biden. L is the spoiler, not the winner.
Closer to reality:
Biden 70 million
Trump 69,999,999
Libertarian 1
Solid victory for whom? Only the one they inaugurate. Neither scenario advances my liberty, or yours.
If you can build a libertarian party to be bigger than today's R party WITHOUT losing everything we have to the Left along the way, great. But you can't.
Libertarians don't control the R party, why? They don't have enough support.
Make the issues argument all day and all night long, year round and throughout the election, but don't help the left win while saying you care about liberty. Makes no sense in my view.
Leftists more clever than us try to get Libertarians on the ballots siphoning off votes from conservatives. Know your enemy.
One example: https://www.propublica.org/article/in-montana-dark-money-helped-democrats-hold-a-key-senate-seat
Result: D +1, R -1, L = 0 One vote swung in a divided US Senate is a big deal.
Im new here, so I won't enter the fray other than to say, we'll see What the numbers bear out. That is, if one can trust the count. ;)
Sometimes, it's a race to zero, that is first necessary to achieve a victory.
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Fair enough. I would add:
Your last example of breaking the two party system into a different two party system was Lincoln. I applaud patiently taking the long view but we won't have a republic in a hundred and sixty years if we don't stop Leftism now.
Biden is a chump, his word. Harris is the furthest left Senator of a pretty far left Senate.
She is certain to be President in your plan. They're already floated the idea of putting Beto in charge of gun confiscation. This is so immediate they will be taking guns before I have time to buy one. And they will take my life savings. You don't win anyone over by helping that happen. Libertarian leaning Republicans are your allies, not your opponent, IMHO. You won't create a new party without them.
Back to the Lincoln example and differences to today. He wasn't a spoiler. He won.
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Tordislung, you are new here, welcome.
Have you read our Trump accomplishments thread? Have you read our Political Economics thread? Guns aren't the only liberty (I'm sure you know.) Most here didn't support Trump until he was the last person standing against far Leftism. I ripped him ruthlessly for his support of the anti-property rights Kelo decision. Then he won and appointed and got confirmed and sworn in three Justices better than I could have ever picked that I think will never support thst kind of Leftist fascism.
Trump is a former Democrat, former crony government guy. He says things still that make me cringe. But he is the only person who could beat HRC and the only person and the only person who can beat the Leftist machine behind Biden Harris.
Sounds like you already made your mind otherwise. Good luck with that. May I ask, what state are you in?
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Rasmuessen reports their polling shows that Trump will get...........
31% of the Black Vote.
If this happens, the Beach Boys have a song for this.........................WIPEOUT!
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If the presidential election was held today, would you vote for Donald Trump or Joe Biden?"
National Daily Black Likely Voter % For
@POTUS
- October 26-29, 2020
Mon 10/26 - 27%
Tue 10/27 - 30%
Wed 10/28 - 30%
Thu 10/29 - 31%
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187,489 votes separate the two parties in Florida
God, Miami-Dade has given Trump over 35,000 more votes vs 2016
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documents found!
i was wrong :))
though not clear how they mysteriously "fell" out of the package .
now I want to hear what is in them.
hope I am wrong about the election
walking in ballots next Tuesday unless I die first.
not wasting my vote on Jindal , Jorgenson or any other person for waste of time reasons
Do not vote your conscious , what does that prove - you can sleep better voting for someone who will not win or wreck the country
vote to win for America !
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As I have mentioned previously, in 2016 were we to add the Libertarian vote to Trump and the Green vote to Hillary, Trump would have won the popular vote by a tiny margin.
Tordislung: FYI, I ran for US Congress 3X for the Libertarian Party (1984, '88, '92)
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If the presidential election was held today, would you vote for Donald Trump or Joe Biden?"
National Daily Black Likely Voter % For
@POTUS
- October 26-29, 2020
Mon 10/26 - 27%
Tue 10/27 - 30%
Wed 10/28 - 30%
Thu 10/29 - 31%
I hope something close to this comes true. A move of 3% would be significant. A move like this of 3-fold is earth changing. Without minorities, without working people, without rural and small town support, weakening Muslim support, weakening Jewish support, weakening gay support. and with young people unenthused by old left leadership, the lily-white, ivory tower elites are left with no coalition.
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As I have mentioned previously, in 2016 were we to add the Libertarian vote to Trump and the Green vote to Hillary, Trump would have won the popular vote by a tiny margin.
Tordislung: FYI, I ran for US Congress 3X for the Libertarian Party (1984, '88, '92)
The nice thing about being a Libertarian is that anyone of us could end up running for President!
Actually becoming president is a different story...
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Florida voting lead is now down to 169k with two hours to go before closing for the night.
32k net change in favor of Donald. All good news.
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Son got to work 3 days this week. Went to downtown SF today.
Busiest part of the city, maybe 1 car parked per block.
No pedestrian traffic when it should be totally crowded
.
Coffee shops have little business and closing no later than 2 pm.
Restaurants mostly closed
Offices deserted and closed.
Thank you Newsom
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Son got to work 3 days this week. Went to downtown SF today.
Busiest part of the city, maybe 1 car parked per block.
No pedestrian traffic when it should be totally crowded
.
Coffee shops have little business and closing no later than 2 pm.
Restaurants mostly closed
Offices deserted and closed.
Thank you Newsom
It's not the virus, it's the Democrats vision for America.
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Jack Nicklaus endorsement
https://mobile.twitter.com/jacknicklaus/status/1321631802004541440
Hershel Walker:
https://youtu.be/iXyohn9hDh0
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Hey Joe Biden, how are you going to deliver how are wind turbines and solar panels without roads built with oil? How are you getting to your climate conferences without jet airliners powered with jet fuel? Sailboat?
What happens your ambulance has a long day and a low battery warning?
How many more nukes aimed at us will the Russians build when your energy surrender policies double the price of oil?
Does anybody think this stuff through before handing our policy making to the far Left?
Even the Left mentors Stalin, Mao, Castro and Chavez were not anti-oil.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/10/30/why_oil_must_remain_part_of_our_future_144558.html
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https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=16017
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Trafalgar has Trump within 2 points of Biden in NV.
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More reports of the Black vote for Trump being far greater than in past elections.
Could a Red Tsunami be building?
BTW, doctor friend who hates Trump read Biden's policy section on website and is totally freaking out. Definite Trump voter now.
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"BTW, doctor friend who hates Trump read Biden's policy section on website and is totally freaking out. Definite Trump voter now."
what kind of doctor PP?
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Orthopedic surgeon. Retired except for consulting. The nuerologist who immigrated here from Afghanistan through the Netherlands also going Trump. But he is conservative.
Hearing more and more people now coming out in support in the oriental community here.
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Florida Early Vote lead for Dems is down to 150k now. Figure about 120k by the end of the day. Bad news for them.
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just wondering
some docs make > 400. K per yr
which puts then in the crosshairs of being labelled rich. ( orthos certainly fall in that range when working )
that said all taxpayers will suffer directly or indirectly of course
including me as a general internist
wonder what this retired doctor was thinking before he went to the Biden war site to think he might not vote for Trump
personal character is no longer the issue anymore tho the Left wants to make it that .
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He hates Trump, the bragging, the ego, the lies and believes that Trump was corrupted by Russia after listening to the Impeachment Hearings.
But he recognized that Biden had serious memory issues and talked with several neuro doc friends, who all said that Biden should be given a full neuro exam before being allowed to continue.
This same doc earlier in life, worked at CIA in Ops. Spent time behind the Iron Curtain. Have seen both bullet and knife scars on his body when we had summer parties and in pool.
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".He hates Trump, the bragging, the ego, the lies and believes that Trump was corrupted by Russia after listening to the Impeachment Hearings. "
so do I
there are huge negatives about him/ his personality is exactly like his sister tells us and that is obvious
but
he is to me, still better than ANY democrat
because the end results are the key
I am not sure who on the Republican side could fight the Left like him
at least anyone who could otherwise win
maybe Pence ?
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Pence is not the fighter like Trump. He would not generate the enthusiasm. This cycle, like 2016, needs a "big" man.
4th Turning Great Man appearance is Trump. Have an idea what might happen after the election, depending upon results. Will require a new 4th Turning article,
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The voter turnout in Texas has already surpassed 2016's turnout.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-exceeded-entire-2016-vote-141400521.html
Doug, I live back and forth between two locations.
Crafty... Woof.
GM. Indeed the case in terms of opportunity.
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Florida difference now down to 162k. Already today, closed gap by 23k.
Only question is how Indies break and whether Reps are cannibalizing their votes.
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Trafalgar has Indies breaking 13+ for Trump. That occurs and FL is totally in the bag.
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Joe Biden was on the New Castle county council 48 years ago, last time Republicans won Minnesota in a 49 state sweep. Today he wastes the crucial Friday before the election trying to shore up his one point lead.
Meanwhile Trump has 15,000 ready to see him in Rochester MN, home of the Mayo Clinic, while the state AG Keith Ellison tries to limit Republican events to 250 people.
Trump supporters will make up the majority going to the Biden rally as well. I don't think I'll go to a car horn event.
270,426 is the biggest crowd ever at the MN state fairgrounds. How many thousands will come out today to see Joe Biden? I predict it will round to zero thousand attending.
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Robert C. Cahaly @RobertCahaly
Oct 28, 2020
Our new @trafalgar_group #2020Election #BattlegroundState #WIpoll conducted Oct 24-25 shows undecided shrinking and a razor thin Biden lead:
47.5% @JoeBiden
47.1% @realDonaldTrump
3.1% @Jorgensen4POTUS
1.2% Other,
1.1% Undecided.
See Report: https://thetrafalgargroup.org/news/wi-pres-102520/
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If the goal is to help the Left win and take all our liberties, the 'Libertarian' wins.
Where is the Jill Stein on the Left.?
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Florida
116k difference with 2 hours to go today
-4K every half hour!
86.22% of 2016 turnout in Florida now
217,220 Democrat supervoters remaining
414,350 Republican supervoters
Trump has 0.03% advantage in early voting in Florida now
IT"S HAPPENING!
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Black and Hispanic vote appears to be cratering. But increasing for Trump.
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If the goal is to help the Left win and take all our liberties, the 'Libertarian' wins.
You act as though President Trump and Director Regina Lombardo aren't currently doing that.
Didn't the ATF just issue a letter that potentially turned people into felons overnight (assuming they dont feel like sending their AOW's SBR's and pistols to the ATF for a 6-12 month, "points test")?
Sometimes, things have to get worse, before they can get better.
I'm not being smug. I don't know who will win. I know that both major candidates trample the 2nd amendment and I'll have no part of it. Line in the sand if you will. Throw the baby out...bathwater is cold.
Also old....is the Right thinking they're owed Libertarian votes and that it's never going to be reciprocated.
The whole thing going to hell in a handbasket is solid win at this point, being that BOTH Right and Left are seeking to expand big government..
Some in this country, remember what it was like to be free; others sadly, have forgotten or no longer care.
Biden, Harris....just as Hillary would have and Obama did, will force people to care.
"Shall not be infringed." Every gun law is illegal. Every single one.
My thoughts. Let it go the way of Rome. It will sooner or later anyways.
Edit: Looking back....nothing's changed... under Trump, ATF investigations immediately went up more than 10%....
The lie that the Right is somehow pro 2nd Amendment (evidenced by the finger pointing at Biden's Beto), needs to end. The right actually executes gun control more often and more effectively.
https://mises.org/power-market/jeff-sessions-wants-confiscate-your-guns
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115,198 Democrat vote lead in Florida now
Democrats are 39.57% total vote vs 38.17% Republicans in Florida in early voting. This is exceptional news for us.
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If the goal is to help the Left win and take all our liberties, the 'Libertarian' wins.
You act as though President Trump and Director Regina Lombardo aren't currently doing that.
Didn't the ATF just issue a letter that potentially turned people into felons overnight (assuming they dont feel like sending their AOW's SBR's and pistols to the ATF for a 6-12 month, "points test")?
Sometimes, things have to get worse, before they can get better.
I'm not being smug. I don't know who will win. I know that both major candidates trample the 2nd amendment and I'll have no part of it. Line in the sand if you will. Throw the baby out...bathwater is cold.
Also old....is the Right thinking they're owed Libertarian votes and that it's never going to be reciprocated.
The whole thing going to hell in a handbasket is solid win at this point, being that BOTH Right and Left are seeking to expand big government..
Some in this country, remember what it was like to be free; others sadly, have forgotten or no longer care.
Biden, Harris....just as Hillary would have and Obama did, will force people to care.
"Shall not be infringed." Every gun law is illegal. Every single one.
My thoughts. Let it go the way of Rome. It will sooner or later anyways.
Edit: Looking back....nothing's changed... under Trump, ATF investigations immediately went up more than 10%....
The lie that the Right is somehow pro 2nd Amendment (evidenced by the finger pointing at Biden's Beto), needs to end. The right actually executes gun control more often and more effectively.
https://mises.org/power-market/jeff-sessions-wants-confiscate-your-guns
Thank you for responding Tordislung. You make some valid points but your conclusions are frightening, throw out the country, things have to get worse, go the way of Rome. You may be armed well enough to live through that and I may not be. You may have enough time left to try to see it rebuilt and I may not.
"Throw the baby out...bathwater is cold." - I think that means kill the baby, not towel it off, warm it, hold it, dress it.
3% support is not what you build a majority movement out of. Is it pursuit of government without winning elections? I may not be 5 points away from you on a 100 point issues scale yet the way you define it, I am your enemy adversary and you mine. Hard to build coalitions that way.
"Shall not be infringed." "Every gun law is illegal. Every single one."
- I tend to agree, although, like with free speech, there is some parallel with falsely hollering fire in a crowded theater not being protected speech. As a practical matter, who are the judges, justices, constitutional scholars that argue for no restrictions whatsoever? I would think that is not more than 3% of the electorate as well. Again, hard to build a coalition.
"the Right thinking they're owed Libertarian votes and that it's never going to be reciprocated"
- I've had that problem inside the party. Moderates vote party only if you nominate the moderate; they don't reciprocate. Then Reagan broke the mold, and Trump. But inside the R party is where this issue belongs IMHO. Democrats are the enemy of these rights, even if Republicans are also encroaching.
No one is owed anyone else's vote. I offered my opinion of your best interest - how to not lose more ground on gun rights. You should not vote Trump or Republican if you are equally unhappy seeing either one win. But plenty of people are voting against something in this binary election.
"Jorgensen wont win...but she's only aiming for 5% to get federal funding."
- J. won't win 5%.
The common premise of third party voters is that the other two parties are no different from each other to them; one is not better or worse than the other. You make good points about both sides being unacceptable, but only blinders in my view could get you to believe there's no difference on gun laws and related constitutional issues between those two candidates and parties.
Beto really does want to take away your guns and he is very close to getting the authority to do so. Trump really does want you to be able to own and keep guns, even if agencies under his responsibility don't act like it, and even if he supports some restrictions. Sessions was fired but that's another matter.
I'm no expert but pose this. You have some gun rights now. People here own some guns and ammo, legally. Now think of places with oppressive governments where they do not. I will guess Communist China, North Korea, Iran, inside the Soviet bloc before the fall, Jews under Hitler, etc. places where they don't let citizens arm. I don't see how you let us get closer to that, allow the more energetic, anti-gun, anti-Second amendment side to win and pack their court, pass their laws, enforce their laws, jail you, kill you perhaps and then believe you will somehow have better gun rights later. Things need to get worse to get better? I would say things need to get better to get better.
When this ATF gets the full support of the new administration headed at some point by a lady to the left of Bernie and they have some trans-gender-studies-major lead the military to help on the ATF raids and they come for your guns, are you going to surrender or fight? Fight back with your guns and you will be killed even if it takes a couple of attempts. Surrender and I don't think you live long enough, no matter how young you are, to see some benevolent new government come in sweep in and restore rights that you should have now.
No response on the Judicial appointments. Do you honestly think there is no difference a Scalia and Bader-Ginsburg or that's a meaningless difference? Doesn't seem like a serious argument to me. One side believes you have an individual right to bear arms. The other supports all restrictions and total gun bans.
If guns are single issue, that makes coalitions difficult. No empathy that my life's income can't ever be accessed even upon death under Joe Biden's plan or under economic collapse? Throw that out with the bathwater Doug. If you can't make coalitions with the economic liberty people or other aligned or overlapping interests, it seems to me that makes building a winning coalition unlikely.
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I ran for US Congress 3X for the Libertarian Party.
I left the Libertarian Party when the party's candidate for governor in CA had as a major issue the right to own ferrets or something like that.
FWIW my thoughts:
Third Party candidates have consequences. Bush 43 won because of Ralph Nader. Also worth noting is that Trump likely would have won the popular vote but for the Libertarian candidate in 2016.
If you can't see a real world difference between Trump and Biden-Harris and Beta O'Rourke I don't know what to say. Having just left California for North Carolina it is real clear to me.
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"Having just left California for North Carolina it is real clear to me."
wow
congrats
fellow East Coaster
now the goal is to keep red states red
and not have them turned into California or NJ or NY etc
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How can anyone get a damned thing done with this election coming up? Totally obsessed with it.
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Rumors are that Biden staffers are shopping resumes all across DC.
In NV, men are voting 48% to 46% women. That is unheard of. (Other 6% claim they are furries.)
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"In NV, men are voting 48% to 46% women."
don't the hotel unions send out all their employees to vote DEm at the last minute in NV?
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-ballots-in-pennsylvania-may-be-missing-officials_3559107.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-10-30-3
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-ballots-in-pennsylvania-may-be-missing-officials_3559107.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-10-30-3
They'll be found when Biden needs the votes...
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IIRC the article says the district in question is heavily Republican.
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IIRC the article says the district in question is heavily Republican.
Then they'll most assuredly vote Dem.
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Less risky would be to do what seems to be the case-- they don't get to vote at all.
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Less risky would be to do what seems to be the case-- they don't get to vote at all.
Perhaps. I believe the dems are all in and there isn't anything they won't do at this point.
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https://www.outkick.com/why-im-voting-for-donald-trump/
For those of you who are new to OutKick: here are my presidential votes since I became a public media figure in 2004:
2004: John Kerry
2008: Barack Obama
2012: Barack Obama
2016: Gary Johnson
2020: Donald Trump
I also voted for Al Gore in 2000 and worked on his political campaign as a college student.
For much of my adult life, I considered myself a Democrat, but in 2016 that began to change. In 2016, I wasn’t happy with the choices between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, so I voted for the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson. As a general rule, I have very many libertarian beliefs — I’m not a social justice warrior, but I also believe that adults, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gay or straight, should be left to their own devices to pursue happiness as they see fit. I don’t care whom you marry. I don’t care whom you sleep with. I don’t care whom you worship. I believe you should have the freedom to make those choices.
I want the government telling me less, not more, about what I can and can’t do every single day.
My political beliefs are not new — if anything I believe the exact same things now for the most part that I did when I began voting for president in 2000 — it’s that the world around me has changed.
The Democratic party has moved in a massive way towards the far left wing over the past decade. They’ve embraced the idea of reparations, defunding the police, and of labeling our country systemically racist and unfair. I think all of these ideas, frankly, are madness.
And in the process I believe the Democratic Party, often fueled by a mob of blue checkmark brigade members on social media, has lost its connection with the regular people in this country. The Democratic Party used to be the party of average working people in this country, people like my mom and dad, who never made more than $50,000 a year in their careers. Now it has left those people behind.
Indeed, if you go back and look at Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign, that would be a Republican platform today. In fact, 2020 Democrats on social media would call 2008 Barack Obama — who opposed gay marriage and believed in immigration reform — a homophobic racist.
I supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, and I still believe he was a uniquely talented voice for our country. I don’t regret my votes for him at all. But I do think the lesson the Democratic Party took from Obama’s wins was the wrong one — they embraced identity politics as the guiding light to lead them to success in the years ahead. They did this, I believe, because Obama motivated black turnout like no politician before him. But Obama wasn’t a politician who focused on identity politics. His campaign was not laced with accusations of systemic inequality, and it didn’t embrace the idea that America was a corrupt and venal land filled with racist and evil people.
Obama believed in the innate goodness of the American people and his story, his rise to the highest office in the world, represented the true fruition of the American dream. If we could elect as president a black man from Hawaii, the son of an African immigrant, a man with no political lineage or particular inside track to success, then how could anyone argue that success was walled off to anyone based on their identity at birth?
Hillary Clinton wanted Obama’s voters, but she lacked his political gifts. She tried to roll up black support by arguing Trump was racist. It’s the same choice being made by Biden today. I fundamentally reject the idea that America is a racist country. In fact, I think America is the least racist country in the history of the world.
I don’t believe any other country could elect Barack Obama.
I don’t believe Donald Trump is racist. I wouldn’t be voting for him if I believed he was racist. I believe we have to stop accusing people we disagree with of being racist, sexist, homophobic or whatever other personal insult you want to apply. Beat people on the issues, not with insults.
Our politicians don’t talk about it enough, but do you know who the highest earning group of people in America are today? Asian men. If America’s a hopelessly racist country, how do Asian men make more money than anyone in the country today? And if America is so hopelessly racist, how do immigrants of all racial backgrounds risk death to enter our land and then, once here, begin making more money than native born Americans within a generation?
Lots of people talk about leaving America, but do you know how many actually leave?
Almost no one.
That’s because America is, and has been for a long time, the greatest country in the history of the world. We are not perfect, but we are the least flawed country to ever exist in the history of humanity.
Having said all this, ultimately the 2020 presidential campaign is not about the past. It’s about the future. These are the five issues that matter the most to me, and the more I have studied them over the past year, the more I’m convinced Donald Trump is on the right side of these five issues.
1. We need to end cancel culture and allow a robust marketplace of ideas to flourish on our social media platforms.
I abhor cancel culture and identity politics with every fiber of my being. I believe the combination of these two factions — which effectively rule social media — represents the biggest internal threat to America in my life.
We have to stop canceling people. Period. None of us should be defined by a single Tweet, a single Instagram post, a single Facebook thought jotted off in an emotional moment from our phones as we juggle countless responsibilities of work and home life.
I believe the vast majority of Americans of all races and ethnicities agree with me about cancel culture being wrong for our country, but unfortunately I also believe the vast majority of Americans live in terror that they might be canceled at any moment. That their comment might go viral and they might be attacked by an angry mob and left without a job or a way to support their family.
In writing this column stating I’m voting for Donald Trump as president, I will become the first member of the sports media employed by CBS, NBC, ESPN or Fox to make this public statement. That’s not because I’m the only Trump voter in sports media. It’s because everyone else is terrified of losing their jobs if they publicly support the president. That’s the kind of environment that cancel culture creates, a universe where people don’t even feel safe telling you how they’re voting for fear they could lose their jobs as a result.
If wealthy people in my industry are terrified to say how they’re voting, imagine how a guy or girl making an average, or below average living, might feel? This isn’t healthy for our country.
I believe in the basic decency of the American people, but I don’t believe in the basic decency of big tech companies increasingly ruling our digital town square. I believe they have manipulated our emotions and created a fundamentally artificial representation of the world. Twitter is not the real world. It’s a carnival funhouse mirror.
A robust First Amendment requires an uninhibited — and free — marketplace of ideas where everyone is able to say exactly what they believe in their private lives without fear of cancellation. We need wider and more substantial debates than the artificially circumscribed lanes of debate which are being constantly narrowed and limited by social media companies today.
We can’t cancel cancel culture without expanding the parameters of our national debate and ending the rig job that exists on social media today. The attempt to suppress the New York Post’s Hunter Biden story should terrify every American regardless of your politics. We can’t allow big tech to pick sides, and it’s clear to me they have picked a side.
I believe Donald Trump is an often inarticulate voice in the fight against cancel culture — yes, his Tweets sometimes drive me crazy too — but I believe he’s ultimately on the right side of this issue. If Joe Biden wins, I think cancel culture will get worse, not better.
2. We can’t shut down the country’s economy again because of COVID.
I believe we have to learn to live with COVID, not curl up in the fetal position in our basements and shut down everything in the country.
COVID isn’t going away until we have herd immunity or a vaccine. That will likely take at least six or eight more months to occur. We can’t shut down our economy while we wait to get to this point.
The data is clear: we should have never locked down our schools and we should have never shut down our economy in the first place.
Back in March when everyone was uncertain about all the COVID impacts, a couple of weeks of shutdown may have been excusable. But since that time, it’s completely inexcusable.
The data doesn’t lie.
According to the CDC, the death rate for those people infected with COVID is minuscule. Most young people are under greater threat from the seasonal flu. Most healthy people under seventy having nothing to fear from this virus.
We need to protect the most vulnerable and aged people in nursing homes, but the rest of us need to be back to work, school, and play. We can’t live our lives in perpetual fear of death. I may die tomorrow. If that happens, I’ll be fine with that. Because I never lived a day ruled by fear in my life. The moment you allow fear to overtake you, I don’t believe life is worth living any more.
I believe Joe Biden’s entire 2020 campaign, when you boil it down, has been based on COVID fear porn. That’s it, the entire thing.
If COVID doesn’t arrive in our country, Trump would have cruised to a 2020 election win. He’d have had the greatest economy in the world. He’d have even more black and Hispanic support. Joe Biden would have lost, and I don’t believe the electoral college would have been close.
But then along came COVID.
The president’s response, like every leader’s response around the world, was flawed. China lied, the WHO failed us, and American and European democracies continue to bear the brunt of China’s dishonesty and dereliction. While America has had many struggles, our national COVID death rate, per capita, is lower than many European democracies.
But the media’s maniacal and dishonest focus on cases and deaths with COVID, not of COVID, have completely obscured the disastrous failures of our national shutdown, a shutdown which endures in many parts of our country. The lasting impact of the shutdown is going to be more severe for most people in this country than the lasting impact of COVID.
We’ve made the cure worse than the disease.
We absolutely, positively cannot shutdown this economy again.
I’ve fought as hard as I possibly can for sports to be played this summer and fall because there is no logical reason to keep sports from playing. It’s completely insane that LA Dodger fans can’t drive to Dodger Stadium in LA to watch a game in person, but they can drive to LAX, board a plane flight to Dallas and go watch the Dodgers play in Texas.
That’s completely nonsensical.
The South has had the best response to this virus in the country: balance out risk, but keep the economy open.
I believe if Joe Biden is elected, there is a good chance he will try and shut down this country again.
On this issue alone, I’d be willing to make my presidential choice this year, but the COVID issue just strengthens my resolve to support Trump.
3. I believe in confronting China as aggressively as possible.
Donald Trump is the most aggressive confronter of China in my lifetime. That doesn’t mean he’s perfect — I actually wish he was more combative in standing up to China — but he’s far more aggressive than anyone else in my life.
We are in the middle of a new cold war, and most Americans still haven’t realized it.
There’s a true battle over who will dominate the 21st century around the globe. Will it be China, with their lack of basic human rights, their trampling of free speech values, and their derogation of freedom of religion and the free exchange of ideas on the internet, or will it be America that dominates the 21st century?
Make no mistake, China is actively using American institutions like the NBA to try and tear down our American cultural systems founded on capitalism and free expression of ideas. What’s more, China is attempting to spread Chinese values around the world. They’re no longer content to merely suppress their own people. They want to suppress the world.
In far too many cases, Democrats have bent to China’s will.
We need to confront China like we confronted Russia during the Cold War.
We need to break China and send the message to the rest of the world that their communism is not the route to prosperity and free thought. It hinders rather than expands world enlightenment.
I believe Donald Trump will stand up to China more than Joe Biden will.
If you doubt me, consider this: if Trump loses, there will be parties in the street in Iran and in China because China and Iran want the president to lose.
If America’s greatest enemies — and the greatest enemies of freedom in the world — cheer a president’s defeat, how is that a good thing?
Newsflash, it isn’t.
4. I believe in keeping nine justices on the Supreme Court.
I can’t support Joe Biden because Kamala Harris was part of the worst moment in American politics in my lifetime: the 2018 Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. Harris, who was one of the leaders of the Senate Democrats in those hearings, embarrassed herself and her country with the histrionic performances she put forth during those hearings.
The fact that grown adults quizzed a potential Supreme Court justice about his high school yearbook was a low point for Senate discourse in the 21st century.
Even today, neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris have been willing to answer whether they support the radical idea of packing the court with new justices in the event they are elected.
If the Democrats decide to add justices, then it won’t end there. Eventually Republicans will take back the Senate and the White House, and they will add their own justices. This threatens to turn the Supreme Court into a kangaroo court. Eventually we might have 25 justices, an unwieldly and impossible court to manage.
I’m not going to agree with all of the decisions rendered by Justice Gorsuch, Justice Kavanaugh, or Justice Coney Barrett, but all three of these choices were eminently reasonable Supreme Court nominees. I think they’ll do a fine job.
If Joe Biden wins this election and a justice dies or resigns from the court, I’ll support Biden’s right to pick a justice of his own choosing.
But we have to stop this ridiculous idea of packing the court.
I believe Joe Biden, who I think is a good and decent man and likely agrees with me that court packing is an awful idea, will be unable to stand up to the rabid ideologues on the left wing of his party on this issue. Frankly, I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to complete a full term in office, and I believe Kamala Harris is likely to direct many of the decisions made by his administration.
I think that will be very bad for our country.
Heck, the fact that Joe Biden hasn’t even been forced to give his own opinion on court packing is a fundamental failure of our media.
5. I believe in American exceptionalism and a capitalistic democracy, and I support our police and our military absolutely.
I believe America is the greatest force for good that has ever existed in world history. I believe in Western Civilization. I believe in equality before the law, in the brilliance of our founders, and in the importance of upholding the values they brought to bear in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.
I’m tired of seeing politicians apologize for America. Even worse than that, I’m tired of seeing police officers attacked on American streets for seeking to preserve law and order and American politicians excusing looting and violence.
It makes me sick to my stomach that the rates of murder and shooting have skyrocketed this year in most of our big cities. Because we’ve taken away the ability of police to do their jobs, the result is more deaths than we’ve seen in many years.
I’m fed up with media dishonesty, with an unwillingness to report facts that countervail the narrative that this country is evil and racist and dishonest and filled with moral turpitude.
I will support whomever is elected president in 2020, and I will root for that president to do well no matter whether I vote for him or not.
But ultimately I believe Donald Trump is the best option to make America even better than it is today.
I don’t expect all of you reading this to agree with me, but I believe it remains my obligation as a media member with a large audience on audio, video, and social media to be as 100% honest with you as I can every single day.
Which is why I’m letting you know that, come Tuesday, I will be voting for Donald Trump in 2020.
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Two questions:
1. Are the polls tightening because Trump and Republican support is increasing or are they tightening to reduce the magnitude of their known errors?
2. Does anyone else live in a house divided? If so, how does that work?
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Two questions:
1. Are the polls tightening because Trump and Republican support is increasing or are they tightening to reduce the magnitude of their known errors?
Like the media, Pollsters work as propagandists first.
2. Does anyone else live in a house divided? If so, how does that work?
I wouldn't, because it won't.
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Now have Trump at 320 EV with potential for 6 more, NV.
Undecided's are breaking to Trump. Also some pollsters are trying to get things closer so that their loss will look more credible.
Biggest problem I am facing now is that there is "too much data" coming in. Mail in and Early Voting has totally warped traditional methods and statistical analysis. Plus with Covid, a dementia riddled candidate, pollsters trying to appease their clients and others not revealing their internal methodologies, pulling my hair out.
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quote author=ppulatie :-D
Now have Trump at 320 EV with potential for 6 more, NV.
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41% in Iowa doesn't just happen in Iowa. They're seeing all the same things that everyone else is seeing, and Biden support is tanking.
https://41jellis.medium.com/forty-one-percent-a70c68a4dc22
I predict Trump wins. My confidence level is zero. I predict Republicans win the Senate 52-48. My confidence level is zero
If pp is right and the win is big, I don't see how this doesn't move the house as well.
And if this is an across-the-board loss, my life is changed.
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These Trump rallies in aggregate put the campaign in touch with a lot of Voters, not just the attendees.
Nothing gets people in touch with the campaign faster in all the right places.
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quote author=ppulatie :-D
Now have Trump at 320 EV with potential for 6 more, NV.
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41% in Iowa doesn't just happen in Iowa. They're seeing all the same things that everyone else is seeing, and Biden support is tanking.
https://41jellis.medium.com/forty-one-percent-a70c68a4dc22
I predict Trump wins. My confidence level is zero. I predict Republicans win the Senate 52-48. My confidence level is zero
If pp is right and the win is big, I don't see how this doesn't move the house as well.
And if this is an across-the-board loss, my life is changed.
Yes, civil wars have a way of changing lives.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trafalger-pollings-robert-cahaly-predicts-huge-trump-win-sunday-morning-futures/
Robert Cahaly: What we are seeing is a movement toward Trump with late breakers. We are also seeing folks that had initially given every indication that they were going to support Biden or they were undecided moving toward Trump. And the issue we see moving on is the shutdowns. Even young people we’ve identified who don’t like the president. They like shutdowns even less. Even suburban women who said they have problems with the president, they like their children home and shutdowns even less.
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https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/31/after-trump-the-lefty-deluge/
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Last chance
the next "best/worst " outcome is the Left destroys the country so bad
with tech clinging on and MSM continue promoting their agenda (so they can thrive ) till it is obvious to everyone else what a disaster Left policies have been the majority of voters come around and beg for return to American patriotic values
the damage by then will be enormous
but who will be there then ? nikki haley - I don't think so.
Chinese CP members are ready at the gates for all this
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Just like the fighting lineage of a martial art, extinction is only one generation away.
President Reagan also spoke of this dynamic.
The Progs have sterilized the transmission of the American Creed to our presently young generations. We must impart the American Creed to our young!!!
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That won't happen. Mass amnesty and open borders will ensure that the left never loses power again. See what happened in Venezuela. They thought that when Chavez rose to power, he'd screw up and get voted out. Chavez made sure his power structure would be permanent. The same will be done here.
Last chance
the next "best/worst " outcome is the Left destroys the country so bad
with tech clinging on and MSM continue promoting their agenda (so they can thrive ) till it is obvious to everyone else what a disaster Left policies have been the majority of voters come around and beg for return to American patriotic values
the damage by then will be enormous
but who will be there then ? nikki haley - I don't think so.
Chinese CP members are ready at the gates for all this
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Dems in Florida got the Early Vote back up to about 101k ahead. But 7 Rep counties were closed.
Still need at least 300k up to 650k to offset Rep Election Day voting. With some polls now showing Trump leading, Florida should be secure.
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Dems in Florida have only 104k left of super voters to go. Reps have 276k. Net gain of 172k.
Super voters are those who have voted in all of the past 4 elections.
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Less risky would be to do what seems to be the case-- they don't get to vote at all.
Perhaps. I believe the dems are all in and there isn't anything they won't do at this point.
https://gellerreport.com/2020/10/nyc-ballots-printed-4-biden.html/
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Final Early Vote totals in for Florida. Dems lead by 108k, when they need to be ahead by at least 300k to offset GOP vote turnout on Tuesday.
Florida should be in the bag for Trump.
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IBD poll. Indies flipping to Trump. Biden lost 2 points overnight to Trump. 3.2 lead.
Remove skewing towards Dems, shy Trump voter and Trump is leading.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8905895/Pennsylvania-Gov-Tom-Wolf-tells-residents-days-count-votes.html
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Here is the Sparta Report Official Moderator Prediction thread.
https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/sparta-report-election-predictions/ (https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/sparta-report-election-predictions/)
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Here is the Sparta Report Official Moderator Prediction thread.
https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/sparta-report-election-predictions/ (https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/sparta-report-election-predictions/)
It looks good PP, we will know soon. Hopefully!
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Let me just say...........given all of that and all of the analysis the other Mods and I have been doing behind the scenes, I am still scared shitless that I am wrong and Biden wins.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/11/02/five_indicators_of_the_trump-biden_outcome.html
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Biden's 90-10 chance of winning flips to 90 to 10 Trump if Trump carries a few toss-ups that he is likely to win. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Ohio.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/02/nate-silver-sees-trumps-path-to-victory-starting-in-these-three-states-n1116450
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/alert-virginia-is-in-play/
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https://medium.com/@PhillipStutts/election-analysis-exclusive-here-is-what-will-happen-on-nov-3-f6426c3d83e7
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First votes have been counted in New Hampshire. Trump leading with over 60% of the vote. Landslide
Votes counted: 16-10
Hey, gotta have some fun.
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Hey PP, Don't forget to vote!
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Voted by mail and accepted 2 weeks ago.
Florida
Dems finished yesterday with 112k early vote lead.
Heavy voting all over. Lead is now down to 5k. This took 1:20 minutes.
If this happens all over Murica, then the Red Wave may be the Red Tsunami!
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hand delivered Katherine's and my mail in ballots to the election board this am
3 police officers. one person in parking lot watching everything driving in and out from pedestrian car - I assume poll watching
very few people there yet ~ 8 or so am; opened at 6 a and "close " @ 8 pm ; but of course God knows how many ballots will come via mail over the next 3 days which of course the Dems made sure to include
small county bus showed up and about 10 people got off ; they looked they were going to work note vote actually
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Florida R voting is now 36k OVER D voting.
PA is pulling some shenanigans. Machines in 2 heavy Trump counties are broken.
In AZ, so far R's are under performing to 2016.
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Florida Rep voting is now 200k plus over Dems. This would mean extrapolated out 5% victory margin.
Just depends upon Indy vote and how it breaks.
Michigan huge turnout.
PA blacks are voting in record numbers for Trump.
AZ close but should be a win.
NV up in the air. Rep votes leading in Washoe County. Clark is close.
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Just AZ close but should be a win.
Or not.
Either way, this country has bigger problems than whoever wins this election....but everyone in this country intuitively knows that.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/no-every-vote-does-not-count/
PS thank God we have conservative Comey
on Court now
we know for sure Roberts will vote to have every vote and Dem wants counted to go ahead and proceed
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out collecting mail/absentee in ballots ? :wink:
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Not a good morning to wake up to here. Am in shock.
Looks like 264 for Trump, unless he can get either AZ or NV. Otherwise it is Prez Harris.
What the hell is wrong with Americans? Have they lost their ever loving mind?
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Looks like 264 for Trump, unless he can get either AZ or NV. Otherwise it is Prez Harris.
What the hell is wrong with Americans? Have they lost their ever loving mind?
what about PA
Wisconsin
CNBC just announced a whole bag of absentee ballots just found giving it to a senile man and Democrat militant
what a surprise
exactly as planned
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:-o
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At least we have the Senate still and also SCOTUS
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Divided government.
The polls were BS.
LINO party got more votes (1%) than the margin. Who saw that coming?
All the media and most of the money bought Dems essentially a tie.
Political shifts are happening in both directions.
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will Trump run again in '24 ?
he would be 78 yo
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will Trump run again in '24 ?
he would be 78 yo
And will Republicans get behind him if he does? Will Biden be incumbent and run in 2024 if he wins now? Does either party have real rising stars?
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Trump will not run again. Maybe Pence, who would lose. Or Don Jr.
Biden will be 25th Amendment out by Jun. Harris in and will run in 2024.
DOOM is here.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lebron-james-michael-jordan-help-bloomberg-pay-felons-fees-florida-amendment-4-voting-rights-election-day-024025571.html
Bloomberg. once a democrat than an republican then an independent
now a democrat globalist elitist
I don't know what he is. frankly
self described problem solver
always in way that helps his businesses.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lebron-james-michael-jordan-help-bloomberg-pay-felons-fees-florida-amendment-4-voting-rights-election-day-024025571.html
Bloomberg. once a democrat than an republican then an independent
now a democrat globalist elitist
I don't know what he is. frankly
self described problem solver
always in way that helps his businesses.
Have they completed their sentences?
Are they law abiding?
Do they pay taxes?
Anything outside of that, is an infringement on their rights, IF society expects them to be self supporting and abide by the laws.... If not.... They don't owe anyone any allegiance at all. Why would they? You've shunned them.
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you are entitled to your opinion
and I will keep mine
I don't like celebrities paying other peoples fines to vote for Democrats
comprende
BTW , you voted your conscious
feel better
you will have a lot of liberty under Kamala Harris
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you are entitled to your opinion
and I will keep mine
I don't like celebrities paying other peoples fines to vote for Democrats
comprende
BTW , you voted your conscious
feel better
you will have a lot of liberty under Kamala Harris
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. You're not making friends. That's a necessary component of winning elections, but by all means...keep shunning people...it pushes them right to the people you disagree with....even children understand that.
"President" Harris? If it gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset... Im all for it.
Apparently... Some people will have to find a different way to get a paycheck in Oregon these days.... Freedom....and less taxes....who would have thought those liberals would pull that off? I certainly didn't.
Maybe... You should have voted for Jo instead of thinking we should vote for your guy. You wasted your vote.
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Screenshot-2020-11-04-at-11.09.15-AM-600x391.jpg
We knew they were going to do this.
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"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
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Yes, true Libertarian eutopia! Living in the shattered ruins of a burnt-out country. No oppressive government, except the gangs and warlords, of course.
"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
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"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
"Debts to society."
Let's see the contract that was signed. I trust you have one. It's the basis of every legal agreement.
It should include mutual assent, expressing offer and more importantly, acceptance....
Do you have any of that?
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Yes, true Libertarian eutopia! Living in the shattered ruins of a burnt-out country. No oppressive government, except the gangs and warlords, of course.
"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
Some tears are to be expected.
People never cede control willingly nor with a light heart.
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https://www.theorganicprepper.com/selco-surprise-shtf/
Paradise!
Yes, true Libertarian eutopia! Living in the shattered ruins of a burnt-out country. No oppressive government, except the gangs and warlords, of course.
"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
Some tears are to be expected.
People never cede control willingly nor with a light heart.
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https://www.theorganicprepper.com/selco-surprise-shtf/
Paradise!
Yes, true Libertarian eutopia! Living in the shattered ruins of a burnt-out country. No oppressive government, except the gangs and warlords, of course.
"... gets us back to freedom faster by forcing a reset..."
That is a logic string I can not follow. Make things worse to make things better, lose your freedoms in order to gain them back.
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If someone else pays your debt to society, have you paid your debt to society?
Some tears are to be expected.
People never cede control willingly nor with a light heart.
Seen worse. Still prefer freedom. Sooner or later the Right and Left will have to learn that they're not the ones that dictate things.
Ps. Americans don't really know what it is to fight a war on their own soil. Some of us do. To live with it...every day.
Good article though.
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https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/president-trump-must-stop-the-steal/\
Stop the steal!
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https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/?fbclid=IwAR229g1oBJ01ePg_nPqnwlIShWXXpcVHe_UW0-V1JBh0DzLvGi_bezaAySs
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"Buzzfeed later reported that according to a spokesperson at Decision Desk HQ, the votes for Biden were the result of a “data error” from a “file created by the state that we ingested.” When the state noticed the “error” it updated its count, which somehow gave 138,339 votes to Biden and zero to Trump."
"It turns out, the vote dump was the result of an alleged typo, an extra zero that had been tacked onto Biden’s vote total in Shiawassee County, Michigan"
not sure I get it. the population in that county is only about 70K in 2018 census:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiawassee_County,_Michigan
not only that 96% are white
do other counties send their ballots to this place?
like Biden says all day long , "look at the data".
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https://www.google.com/search?q=john+james+senate+race&oq=john+james+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59l3j69i60l2.5525j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"racism racism racism racism"
still works
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https://www.google.com/search?q=john+james+senate+race&oq=john+james+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59l3j69i60l2.5525j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"racism racism racism racism"
still works
Aren't exit polls wrong for the same reason pre election polls were wrong? If not why not.
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Someone reading this from far away might wonder who won. So do we.
Betting odds probably tell the best story. Trump peaked at 70% chance of win at 4:30am after the election, now at 5% chance. Late arriving mail in votes mostly favor Biden? Military votes favor Trump? Biden likely to win the remaining states to be called. If he flips Georgia, that has long consequences.
A recount of the same votes will yield roughly the same result. If there was significant fraud, that needs to be discovered now, not after the results are certified.
Polls were wrong by more than ever. Shame on them. Shame on us for putting so much significance in them.
Republican net loss of 1 in the Senate out of 23 to defend is good. (Why do people expect runoffs in Georgia to go Republican?)
Democrats lost seats in the House. Some say 6 seats, some say the number is 10 and climbing. I think the magic number was 17. Still possible, not likely.
Republicans made gains in the state legislature, further making the blue wave talk false. Republicans flipped one governorship in Montana and one state legislature, NH. Democrats flipped nothing beyond Biden's likely extremely narrow win.
Divided country. Divided election. Divided government. As the NYT put it, blue wave crashed:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/election-state-house-legislature-governors.html
But China's release of the coronavirus succeeded.
Now what, government by executive order with Murkowski, Collins the only check on power, except Amy Coney Barrett and some other new judges.
Without a political shift, the Senate will be difficult to hold in 2022, but the House might flip in an off year.
Biden will have a hard time holding his office if he doesn't appease the far Left.
I think Trump 2024 is unrealistic. He will hold that open for attention but there are some problems with it. He just lost to the worst candidate ever.
How Joe Biden governs will be determined by one main person, Jill Biden.
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"I think Trump 2024 is unrealistic. He will hold that open for attention but there are some problems with it. He just lost to the worst candidate ever."
I agree
Don't know who , or if anyone will emerge
Ronald Reagans are rare
The right person would have the fighting spirit of DJT but without the pathological narcissism
that led to his success AND ultimate downfall.
The game is over
I don't see the SCOTUS overturning and election - even a fraudulent one
the 600 lawyer shysters the Dems sent out are well prepared with their jurnolisters for this moment THEY produced and planned out.
we knew it was coming in a close election
it seemed though we were helpless to stop it in the Dem controlled areas
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The Libertarian in name only (IMHO) party attracted more votes than the winning margin in all the crucial swing states. Yet they lost most of their support from 2016. 1.2% of the vote, down from 3.2%, does not win elections, attention, build a movement or fund a party.
Where was the Green Party with an allegedly moderate Democrat at the top of the 'progressive' ticket? Absent? 0.2% of the vote. Why? They wanted to win. L party? They want to lose. Lose elections, lose liberties, lose support.
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The Libertarian in name only (IMHO) party attracted more votes than the winning margin in all the crucial swing states. Yet they lost most of their support from 2016. 1.2% of the vote, down from 3.2%, does not win elections, attention, build a movement or fund a party.
Where was the Green Party with an allegedly moderate Democrat at the top of the 'progressive' ticket? Absent? 0.2% of the vote. Why? They wanted to win. L party? They want to lose. Lose elections, lose liberties, lose support.
Or... They want to be free.... Free from bump stock bans, unconstitutional red flag laws... while the government helps itself to more of your rights.
Tell me, do you get upset at the Democrats for not supporting your party lines? What about the people that didn't even vote?
But you're upset with 1.2 million people because they have their own ideals, or the nerve to vote in their own interests?
Totally being respectful.... It's just that it seems that you think the Republicans can do the aforementioned, and still think that they have a right to our support?
You're DEAD wrong about that.
Also... CCP the other day... Going on about felons who had served their sentences, who now are law abiding and pay taxes... Not being able to vote.
Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's time for your consistent trampling of rights, and the ostracization of others, to die?
Many on the right, even here and now, do what I've just mentioned, and then you expect support?
Alrighty then. It's your funeral.
Edit: More correctly...the funeral of the Republican party and outdated ideals. You've had centuries to get it right.
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if you are stating that felons , once they "paid their debt to society"
should have right to vote
I do actually tend to AGREE ; indeed, Trump at least had signed and pushed legislation to get felons back into society and not keep them locked up . ( I am not sure I agree with this and in my opinion it is risky but time will tell who in the end is right )
I don't agree with rich Democrats paying for their fines in return for their promise to vote fo Democrats
Naturally James is not shelling out money so people will vote for whomever, including Trump or for that matter Jorgenson
" Free from bump stock bans, unconstitutional red flag laws... while the government helps itself to more of your rights"
I am not sure who is doing this if not Democrats
Trump was working towards the opposite
If you want to talk of national debt and Trump made it worse not better - we have all posted here on this board that it is a major concern
Not sure what you mean by this:
" Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's time for your consistent trampling of rights, and the ostracization of others, to die?"
ARe saying my consistent trampling of rights to die - or ME?
" Alrighty then. It's your funeral."
let me get this straight - is this a threat?
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if you are stating that felons , once they "paid their debt to society"
should have right to vote
I do actually tend to AGREE ; indeed, Trump at least had signed and pushed legislation to get felons back into society and not keep them locked up . ( I am not sure I agree with this and in my opinion it is risky but time will tell who in the end is right )
I don't agree with rich Democrats paying for their fines in return for their promise to vote fo Democrats
Naturally James is not shelling out money so people will vote for whomever, including Trump or for that matter Jorgenson
" Free from bump stock bans, unconstitutional red flag laws... while the government helps itself to more of your rights"
I am not sure who is doing this if not Democrats
Trump was working towards the opposite
If you want to talk of national debt and Trump made it worse not better - we have all posted here on this board that it is a major concern
Not sure what you mean by this:
" Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's time for your consistent trampling of rights, and the ostracization of others, to die?"
ARe saying my consistent trampling of rights to die - or ME?
" Alrighty then. It's your funeral."
let me get this straight - is this a threat?
Of course it's not a threat. I have no idea who you are.
Ideas whither away and die with time.
Don't be coy for dramatic effect.
Ps. You conveniently skipped the questions regarding your expectations of democrats to support you or those that didn't even vote.
Nice.
Edit II: Libertarians.... We adhere to the non aggression principle... Unlike Republicans and Democrats. Just saying.
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".Ps. You conveniently skipped the questions regarding your expectations of democrats to support you or those that didn't even vote."
I don't know what you mean by this
I thought I addressed my views to your points
I was not trying to be dramatic
but your wording , probably not intentional is ambiguous
Democrats will not support me. - never had
I don't recall since being old enough to vote ~ 1976
any Democrat ever having opinions policies or constituents that have ever included my interests - EVER
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I was not trying to be dramatic
but your wording , probably not intentional is ambiguous
Completely intentional and in line with the usage of the word as referenced here: (definitions numbers two and four - noting their example citing a political use) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/die
"\ ˈdī \
died; dying\ ˈdī-iŋ \
Definition of die (Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to pass from physical life : EXPIRE
died at the age of 56
die young
died from his injuries
a dying tree
2a: to pass out of existence : CEASE
their anger died at these words
b: to disappear or subside gradually —often used with away, down, or out
the storm died down
3a: SINK, LANGUISH
dying from fatigue
b: to long keenly or desperately
dying to go
c: to be overwhelmed by emotion
die of embarrassment
4a: to cease functioning : STOP
the motor died
b: to end in failure
the bill died in committee
5: to become indifferent
die to worldly things
die hard
1: to be long in dying
such rumors die hard
2: to continue resistance against hopeless odds
that kind of determination dies hard
die on the vine
: to fail especially at an early stage through lack of support or enthusiasm
let the proposal die on the vine
to die for
: extremely desirable or appealing
the dessert was to die for..."
Completely intentional and within the legal parameters of usage.
Perhaps lodge a complaint with Merriam and Webster.
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If you dont expect support from Democrats or people who don't vote, why do you expect it from us?
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besides voting for a candidate that has zero chance of winning (or qualifications to be president IMO)
what do you recommend I do so my rights do not get trampled by Democrats or Republicans ?
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besides voting for a candidate that has zero chance of winning (or qualifications to be president IMO)
what do you recommend I do so my rights do not get trampled by Democrats or Republicans ?
Each person has to answer that for themselves.
Principles. They matter.
If someone (I love Trump's economy), betrays those principles, you can't support them.
The FIRST principle....above all others... Is the right to guarantee one's existence. Sine qua non.
Without this.... Nothing.
Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends.
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"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
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Well, I have conceded the election. SCOTUS will not side with Trump, no matter what. They do not want to see the debacle to come in civil unrest if they do.
The America of my youth is gone forever. Just a distant memory now. Never to return.
The 4th Turning has shown where it is leading. A socialist America for a decade at least, then who knows?
In the meantime, I shall just hunker down and make my little carve out of life as comfortable and easy as I can, until my expiration date hits.
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"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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Well, I have conceded the election. SCOTUS will not side with Trump, no matter what. They do not want to see the debacle to come in civil unrest if they do.
The America of my youth is gone forever. Just a distant memory now. Never to return.
The 4th Turning has shown where it is leading. A socialist America for a decade at least, then who knows?
In the meantime, I shall just hunker down and make my little carve out of life as comfortable and easy as I can, until my expiration date hits.
That's a little dramatic.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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Which part is dramatic?
1. Have worked in the Court system for 13 years now. Understand how the courts work. IMO, SCOTUS will do nothing, especially after Gore v Bush in 2000.
2. America of the 50's and 60's is gone forever. It will not return, no matter what one wishes.
3. The 4th Turning is a way of looking at history. Among other things, it states that when a 4th Turning occurs, society will engage in a reformation of everything. Outcomes can never be predicted. But now, we can see the handwriting on the wall.
4. My expiration date? FYI, I am Stage 4 terminal cancer. Docs and I have managed to keeping holding it at bay, but at some point, it will begin attacking my body again. So why do I want to bother with any more fighting when I have so little time to go? Better to make the best of and enjoy the time I have left.
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GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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Which part is dramatic?
The parlance.
My sincere condolences.
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Hey, it is life.
When one sees their own mortality coming up fast, it changes everything about how he feels and life. Just natural I think.
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Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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My guns were lost in the Sacramento River during a boating accident. They all went overboard.
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I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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My guns were lost in the Sacramento River during a boating accident. They all went overboard.
The day Crafty made me a dog... He had strict misgivings regarding this. Now it's acceptable?
Principles.
I'm glad that you have them. I do too.
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You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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I'm not a republican, and I'm not happy with being sold out by either side.
I am never turning in my guns.
I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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Nice dodge.
Cheers.
I'm not a republican, and I'm not happy with being sold out by either side.
I am never turning in my guns.
I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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It's no dodge. What wasn't clear about that?
I am NEVER turning in my guns. Can you say that?
I'm not a republican, and I'm not happy with being sold out by either side.
I am never turning in my guns.
I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
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Don't know what CD felt about you then, and don't care. Only know what I know, which as I age, becomes more apparent that I know nothing at all.
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Don't know what CD felt about you then, and don't care. Only know what I know, which as I age, becomes more apparent that I know nothing at all.
I like Socrates too.
It's no dodge. What wasn't clear about that?
I am NEVER turning in my guns. Can you say that?
I'm not a republican, and I'm not happy with being sold out by either side.
I am never turning in my guns.
I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
GM... Federal, state or county law enforcement (particularly the former).... That's the only way you're keeping your guns....
You refuse to answer how Republican gun control isn't gun control....and divert to "Beto."
Me? I would never own weapons. Some criminal would likely break in and steal them.
That doesn't negate that the Right is no friend to the 2nd amendment. They attack it routinely, and then pretend as though they're different from the Left. Police do that too.
"Show me your permit" from something that "shall not be infringed," while they're porting arms themselves....doesnt get more hypocritical than that.
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Don't know what CD felt about you then, and don't care. Only know what I know, which as I age, becomes more apparent that I know nothing at all.
I like Socrates too.
It's no dodge. What wasn't clear about that?
I am NEVER turning in my guns. Can you say that?
I'm not a republican, and I'm not happy with being sold out by either side.
I am never turning in my guns.
I believe I asked first.
How have the Republicans not been Beto?
In regard to the trampling the 2nd Amendment....
Republicans > Beto
Being that they already stomped on it and Beto just wants to catch up.
Am I lying?
You are avoiding my question. Ready to turn in your guns?
I don't blame you for not answering....because we both know that you can't....so you attempt to misdirect.
Ever watch them do the shell game in the street? Teaches you everything you need to know about people, once you catch on.
And thusly ends the Libertarian support of Trump.
Are you going to turn in your guns when Beto is Biden gun control czar?
GM... I highlighted the pertinent portion of it for you.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
"Trump stepped all over that as do Republicans in general and have for over a century.
That's a dealbreaker....because we all know where it leads to and ends."
I don't follow you
how did he and the party do that
he trampled all over your right to exist?
Red flag gun laws
Bump stock bans
ATF interpreting legislation without voter input.
Two years of House, Senate, and presidential control = ZERO REPEALED GUN LAWS
What....in any of that ☝is pro 2nd amendment? Please point out where I'm mistaken, without using "the Democrats would be worse," as we're talking about the Republican side of the street.
I'll wait.
GM... Federal, state or county law enforcement (particularly the former).... That's the only way you're keeping your guns....
You refuse to answer how Republican gun control isn't gun control....and divert to "Beto."
Me? I would never own weapons. Some criminal would likely break in and steal them.
That doesn't negate that the Right is no friend to the 2nd amendment. They attack it routinely, and then pretend as though they're different from the Left. Police do that too.
"Show me your permit" from something that "shall not be infringed," while they're porting arms themselves....doesnt get more hypocritical than that.
I am retired. Aside from LEOSA creds, I am subject to the same laws as everyone else. Not that this country has the rule of law anymore.
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"Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's time for your consistent trampling of rights, and the ostracization of others, to die?
Many on the right, even here and now, do what I've just mentioned, and then you expect support?
Alrighty then. It's your funeral."
"Me? I would never own weapons. Some criminal would likely break in and steal them."
little dramatic don't you think!
so vote libertarian and vote your principles - your funeral
BTW you did not answer my question
I asked so what should we do and I get some vague platitude about principles
and what rights do you speak of besides guns that you do not own?
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/391163.php
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"Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's time for your consistent trampling of rights, and the ostracization of others, to die?
Many on the right, even here and now, do what I've just mentioned, and then you expect support?
Alrighty then. It's your funeral."
"Me? I would never own weapons. Some criminal would likely break in and steal them."
little dramatic don't you think!
so vote libertarian and vote your principles - your funeral
BTW you did not answer my question
I asked so what should we do and I get some vague platitude about principles
and what rights do you speak of besides guns that you do not own?
There was nothing dramatic about that at all. It was a legitimate question. You disenfranchise people, expecting them to obey you, and then get upset when they obtain a voice against you, because they managed to jump whatever imagined hurdle you've placed in front of them?
I did answer you. I clearly stated....every person needs to answer that question for themselves... Or.... Do you require others to hold your hand when making decisions for yourself?
Rights? If I had weapons... I wouldn't broadcast it... Setting that aside... Whether I have them or not, is immaterial...as...the failure to exercise a right does not negate its existence.... Does it? Does the failure to exercise a right mean that you should be deprived of it, counselor?
The Right routinely strips people of their rights in terms of the 2nd amendment, they hate being called on it....enforced by police who pretend to support the 2nd amendment, when really... They support a more draconian system of government, so long as them or their cohorts (the Left), remain at the helm....
There are really only two types of people that support that.... Both Right and Left....
Those who wish to remain in a position of advantage or those who wish to be given handouts by the government.... Libertarians in general...want neither. Why would you think they'd support that?
As for answering what you or others should do? I'm not in the habit of holding people's hands.... That's the worst way to help them. You'll figure it out.
Drama? An impending 3rd civil war is pretty dramatic.
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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/391163.php
The "United" States of America.... Or not.
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A financial speaker once told the three laws of money:
It's better to have than not, more is better than less, and sooner is better than later.
Isn't the same true for liberty!
Unexplained is how we gain more liberty ever by ceding it now to the party Coercive Paternalism.
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1467.msg106667#msg106667
Bump stock or whatever, the idea that all Republicans are same as Beto on gun rights is unserious. Just my observation. The idea that Republicans are no better than Dems on all liberties is unserious. Just my view. The idea that R appointees are no better or the difference is insignificant is unserious. If it were true, why the furor of the Left over every appointee of the right.
Gun rights stuff? We have a thread for that. https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=95.2100
One idea would be to explain your view and persuade people like me who know less on that. But what is the answer to the parallel with freedom of speech and falsely screaming fire in a crowded theater. Can I have machine guns? Can I have any size nuclear weapon and missile delivery system (bear arms)? Does a felon have a right to loaded carry - in prison? Don't we all draw the line of reasonable restriction somewhere? Or is it good enough to have a party of just 1% and the rest lack principles?
We are asked why don't we call out Democrats and people who didn't vote at all for the presumed disappointing election result. From my side I did that, I pressed the issues hard with people I know and I had no visible success. But our T. may be right, there are more votes to go after in the middle than taking up the issues of the last 1% of Libertarians.
What I asked Tordislung earlier among other things is why are we not allies instead of opponents? How does his side get to 51% support nationwide - from 1%? Make coalitions with whom, not people like you find here? How does my side get to 51%, from 48%? If my main issue is economic freedom and economic growth, I might side with people have other first issues like pro life or support religious freedom or strong defense. But if I support absolute gun rights or legalizing meth I won't win all remaining L. voters, and likely lose more in the middle than gained. From the Libertarian side, if you define both major parties as your enemy but want to build coalitions and win elections, isn't that self defeating? We would do better to work together I think.
I loved the Trump economy too. Now prepare for the dark winter Joe Biden promised. Heat our northern homes without fuel and learn the Venezuelan diet, no meat, no vegetables, no grains, no snacks, but guaranteed to lose weight - until like our liberty, there is none left to lose.
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I don't know what Trump was thinking banning guns....red flag gun laws...bump stocks....honey badger....ATF making long barreled pistols illegal...two years of House and Senate control....zero gun laws repealed...when he acts the same as Democrats.... He's got to know that's got a price tag..
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Control of the Senate is 60 votes FYI and he didn't lose anything in the election, we did.
Trump will have armed security for the rest of his life. We won't.
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Control of the Senate is 60 votes FYI and he didn't lose anything in the election, we did.
Trump will have armed security for the rest of his life. We won't.
2016.
House - 241/194 Republicans/Democrats
Senate - 52/46 Republicans/Democrats
Obamacare (controversial.... They still got it to pass)
2010
House - 242/193 Republicans/Democrats
Senate - 51/47 Democrats/Republicans
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=party&Sort=ASC
They could have easily done away with with several gun laws. They CHOSE not to.
The irony of people not caring if others being stripped of their arms (felons who have completed their sentences and red flag people) , now being worried of being stripped of their arms (you), has not gone unnoticed.
Trump allowed the previous to happen. It cost him support. I certainly made every Trump supporter I could, aware of it. Many of them were shocked. I had to quote Trump repeatedly, because they couldn't believe he said it - "Take the guns first....due process second." DJT - super clear..
You're right that you might not have your weapons.... You weren't worried about it when others didn't. Now you are?
Principles. They matter.
Edit: Doug, refresh my memory. What's that story about...."first they came for such and such...and I did nothing....then they came for (x) and I did nothing....then they came for me?"
There you go. That is every gun law.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/wait_just_a_minute_some_very_good_news_may_be_coming.html
Maybe.
We shall see.
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Holding the Senate in January is crucial. 2022 will be equally difficult. On a brighter note, it looks like Republicans will take the House in the 2022 midterms, whatever happens in the Senate. Best case (from my point of view) they hold both coming into the 2024 election.
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T - You write nicely but are unresponsive to my questions. That's okay. - Doug
60 votes all Democratic in the Senate to pass Obamacre, 2010.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396
There are no Democrat Senators who would join hypothetic R Senators to repeal any gun "safety" law and there will NEVER be 60 Republican or Libertarian Senators if the movements are divided.
The "52" you refer to in 2016 include McCain, Murkowski, Collins, Flake and Corker. That leaves 47 to support a good bill. How many did you guys bring to the table? Zero, nothin', nada. You defeat Republican Senators in places like Montana and then wonder why good bills don't get passed and bad laws don't get repealed.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html
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: "This looks to be the election that meant everything and resolved nothing."
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Not answering your questions? My apologies. I thought I had.
"How many did you bring to the table?"
Zero - we dont garner enough votes to elect our own. Ask Crafty. He'll tell you, being that he's run three times... Hence... We've defeated not one of your candidates....
It appears that you have this illusion that we owe you our support. We don't. We vote our principles....
If everyone votes to jump off a cliff...and the others vote to stand in the rain and catch pneumonia, we're not obligated to support either of them.
Did Trump support gun control? He did. Four years ago...you didn't support Trump.... You have to give a little to get a little...the drug war finally being called in Oregon.... Liberals certainly caught our attention with that. The Right might try that....you know...actually supporting the freedom that you PRETEND to represent.
Hope that's clear....because BOTH of your parties shun freedom on a regular basis.
You want our support? Do something to earn it. Otherwise....let the whole thing burn. It's your parties that set it on fire anyways.
T - You write nicely but are unresponsive to my questions. That's okay. - Doug
60 votes all Democratic in the Senate to pass Obamacre, 2010.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396
There are no Democrat Senators who would join hypothetic R Senators to repeal any gun "safety" law and there will NEVER be 60 Republican or Libertarian Senators if the movements are divided.
The "52" you refer to in 2016 include McCain, Murkowski, Collins, Flake and Corker. That leaves 47 to support a good bill. How many did you guys bring to the table? Zero, nothin', nada. You defeat Republican Senators in places like Montana and then wonder why good bills don't get passed and bad laws don't get repealed.
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From unresponsive to obnoxious. They're not 'both of my parties' and I'm not here to discuss wrecking the place or letting it burn.
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From unresponsive to obnoxious. They're not 'both of my parties' and I'm not here to discuss wrecking the place or letting it burn.
I wonder if Q regarding Honey Badger, considers the ATF's letters as of late, "obnoxious?" Courtesy of Trump... The party you seem to be on board with.
Red flag laws....when no law has been broken.. Is that "obnoxious" too?
Earn our votes. It's people just like you Doug....changing your attitude and conveying that to your leaders, that gets the job done. You've no one to blame but yourself.
You know.... Biden and more specifically Harris ...theyre going to trash this place. Time is running out.
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I'm not running for anything. I don't want your vote. I don't know Q. I don't know Honey Badger. I didn't take any of your rights. This isn't the bump stock thread. I asked a couple of follow up questions to try to understand your view to no avail. Please direct your non answers to someone else.
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Tordislung:
The culture of this forum is different than the snarkfests so common elsewhere.
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=961.0
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Barr has ordered DOJ to look into election fraud. They can begin fully investigating on Friday, after the 10 day grace period of the election.
U.S. DOJ Elections Crime Branch Director Richard Pilger has resigned in response to Attorney General William Barr's memo authorizing an election fraud investigation (NYT). Pilger was the one who let Lois Lerner off the hook with the IRS and Tea Party fame.
Was he told to resign........or get fired?
Trump beginning to clean house. He must know he has the Dems by the balls.
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You have more faith in Barr than I do.
Barr has ordered DOJ to look into election fraud. They can begin fully investigating on Friday, after the 10 day grace period of the election.
U.S. DOJ Elections Crime Branch Director Richard Pilger has resigned in response to Attorney General William Barr's memo authorizing an election fraud investigation (NYT). Pilger was the one who let Lois Lerner off the hook with the IRS and Tea Party fame.
Was he told to resign........or get fired?
Trump beginning to clean house. He must know he has the Dems by the balls.
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We shall see.............
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Tordislung:
The culture of this forum is different than the snarkfests so common elsewhere.
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=961.0
Tuhon Crafty,
I'm not being "snarky," and I have respect for everyone here.
Doug and others have mentioned that Libertarians should support Republicans, even when they trample the 2nd Amendment.
The ATF is actively interpreting and dictating what legislation will be, a job for the courts and legislative branches respectively - this... from the current Republican administration.
I've not called anyone any names, nor told them how they should vote. I backed up what I have to say with facts.
Trump and his ATF are dismantling the 2nd, and if they're going to do that, they neither get credit for defending it nor our votes. Perhaps, the Republicans will learn to include more libertarian principles in their actions if they want to earn our votes. It's a fair challenge.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/10/joe-biden-in-september-i-will-not-declare-victory-until-the-election-is-independently-certified/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29
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"I will not declare victory till certified"
said Biden
I guess he forgot he said this
Interesting how he seems to have hit the fountain of youth the past week isn't it?
he represents all of Americans
he state out of one side of his historically lying mouth
as he hires and surrounds himself with all the Obama era socialists and democrat swamp creatures - they are all he knows.
who does he think he is kidding
NO I DO NOT wish him success any more than I wished it for his previous deceitful boss
Now we are the resistance.
Obviously we will NEVER know for sure but it is hard to believe this election was not stolen illegally
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Tordislung:
The culture of this forum is different than the snarkfests so common elsewhere.
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=961.0
Tuhon Crafty,
I'm not being "snarky," and I have respect for everyone here.
Doug and others have mentioned that Libertarians should support Republicans, even when they trample the 2nd Amendment.
The ATF is actively interpreting and dictating what legislation will be, a job for the courts and legislative branches respectively - this... from the current Republican administration.
I've not called anyone any names, nor told them how they should vote. I backed up what I have to say with facts.
Trump and his ATF are dismantling the 2nd, and if they're going to do that, they neither get credit for defending it nor our votes. Perhaps, the Republicans will learn to include more libertarian principles in their actions if they want to earn our votes. It's a fair challenge.
Libertarian Ideas Are Great, Voting Libertarian Self-Defeating
November 11, 2020 Updated: November 11, 2020 Print
Commentary
As of this writing, the votes separating Donald Trump and Joe Biden in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are less than the numbers gained by Libertarian Party candidate Jo Jorgensen who garnered close to 1.7 percent of the popular vote.
As Joel Pollak wrote on Breitbart.com, “If Jorgensen’s votes went to Trump, instead of allowing Biden to win these states, the president would win re-election, with 289 Electoral College votes.”
Whether this is absolutely true is, of course, unknowable, but given the current leftward-lurching Democratic Party that seems about as libertarian as Chairman Mao, if push came to the proverbial shove, the majority of Ms. Jorgensen’s voters likely would have gone to Trump.
She seems like a decent person but Jorgensen—interviewed here by Jan Jekielek for his compelling American Thought Leaders series—is a textbook example of what I termed a “moral narcissist” in my 2016 book “I Know Best: How Moral Narcissism Is Destroying Our Republic, If It Hasn’t Already.”
What the moral narcissist claims she believes (in this case Jorgensen, but there are many similar self-described liberals and progressives as well)—not the actual results of those beliefs—is what defines her as a person and makes her good.
Joel Pollak made those results in Jorgensen’s case painfully clear in the link above, but they are arguably even worse in the long run.
The more libertarian ideas are debated within the Republican Party, the more that party’s candidates will have to respond to them and, potentially, espouse them. They will have real world implications.
When you waste them on something as inconsequential as a fringe and almost entirely ignored Libertarian Party candidacy, particularly in something so hotly contested as a presidential election, you vitiate them and are ultimately self-defeating, not to mention, as we have seen, sabotaging the only viable candidate who best carries your ideas.
Trump is far from a pure, or even relatively pure, libertarian, but compared to Joe Biden—especially given what surrounds him from Bernie Sanders to Kamala Harris to AOC—he’s a veritable Ron Raul.
Moreover, the “deplorables” who are, oddly, more libertarian than Trump on the street level—they wish more than anything to be left alone by government—could push or could have pushed Trump more in their direction during a second term, especially after the pandemic.
Which leads to the ultimately more important question of the efficacy of ideological purity. Is it self-defeating in and of itself?
Taking almost any ideology to extremes raises significant problems. On the left, it couldn’t be more obvious because it leads to the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. But ultra-libertarianism has problems as well, though thankfully not as fatal.
I have become increasingly libertarian over the years, but believe that government has a role, and not just in national defense and public safety. Some social safety net is finally necessary too, for moral and practical reasons, but must be designed to lift people out of that net, not keep people addicted to it.
Ideological purity tends to blind you to the reality in front of you or become what Thomas Sterne in the 18th Century termed “hobby-horsical.”
For the 2012 election I spent an hour interviewing Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson for PJMedia (then Pajamas Media). Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, spent the entire time talking about the importance of legalizing marijuana.
Now although I was not and am not adverse to this (with the caveat that potheads can indeed be blockheads and that there are serious potential health issues), I rank and ranked the issue way down the list of presidential priorities, somewhere near the bottom.
But try as I might to raise serious questions of foreign and domestic policy, Johnson kept returning to his hobby horse of legal “grass” as if that were the linchpin of human freedom and the most significant issue we faced.
I walked away from that interview disappointed in much the same way I reacted to the interview linked above with Jorgensen, of whom, I admit, I was only tangentially aware. Her candidacy seemed finally to about her and not even about the ideas she so adamantly espoused.
With all due respect, and I mean this because I don’t know the woman, that’s moral narcissism in action. We see it everywhere.
Be libertarian as you want, but do it in a way that gets results. Otherwise, it’s just another charade.
Roger L. Simon is an award-winning novelist, Oscar-nominated screenwriter, co-founder of PJMedia, and now, a columnist for The Epoch Times. His most recent books are “The GOAT” (fiction) and “I Know Best: How Moral Narcissism Is Destroying Our Republic, If It Hasn’t Already” (nonfiction). Find him on Parler and Twitter (for now) @rogerlsimon.
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Here is an article written by some Cuckservative on a Cuck website.
https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/election-day-11-why-did-dems-commit-such-blatant-fraud/
Might be worth a read.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/us-raid-software-company-scytl-seize-servers-germany-intel-source-says-yes-happened/?fbclid=IwAR0JC-3dYzWGo5obbpNRxjYl9UwVrto0R4vd_o-agZNa8N1VJl8VFTQrnUo
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Wow! Next this needs to turn into real numbers of votes switched, added or dropped.
"Biden’s current lead of 14,152 votes in Georgia"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/13/joe-biden-trump-election-live-updates/
"Biden leads by close to 11,000 votes in Arizona."
"Biden has the lead by 50,481 votes"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-bidens-lead-over-president-trump-has-grown-to-more-than-50000-votes-in-pennsylvania
the clock is ticking, as Georgia, Michigan, and Pennsylvania - three states that tipped the scales to Biden and handed him the White House - are due to certify the results in just nine days.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8948833/Trump-NINE-days-overturn-loss-Pennsylvania-Georgia-Michigan-set-certify-election.html
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https://www.distributednews.com/474016.html?fbclid=IwAR0w79iafWLV6RIy8Tv5Gt4Q658sr9rB3bfXIwngWeSdAwf_HbfiE5yuyMM
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trumps-post-election-litigation-crusade/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=featured-content-trending&utm_term=second
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Paywall blocked on my wife's lap top. May I ask you to paste?
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NR PLUS ELECTIONS
Trump’s Post-Election Litigation Crusade
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
November 14, 2020 6:30 AM
President Donald Trump arrives to deliver an update on Operation Warp Speed at the White House, November 13, 2020. (Carlos Barria/Reuters)
The outlook is dim for these last-ditch suits. The fat lady might not be singing yet — but she’s clearing her throat.
NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLE
There is a simple way to illustrate what is wrong with President Trump’s fusillade of legal challenges to Joe Biden’s increasingly apparent victory in the 2020 election: Just consider what is at stake in the case that has drawn the most attention. That is the Supreme Court case, in which Republicans are pleading with the justices to rule that Pennsylvania’s highest court unconstitutionally contravened state law by allowing ballots to be received for three days after Election Day.
That matter has riveted the attention of election watchers. It has gotten extensive national media coverage. The Trump campaign has talked it up as crucial. Trump supporters have good reason to believe that the law is on their side and that the president is likely to prevail if the Court agrees to hear the case.
And . . . it’s about 10,000 votes. If you’re keeping score, that’s not close to what Trump needs.
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See, the president trails by 55,000 in Pennsylvania. It is anything but clear that all 10,000 late-arriving ballots are Biden votes — a goodly chunk of them could be Trump votes that the president would be knocking out. But even if we suspend disbelief and assume that they’re all Biden votes, the president would still be 45,000 short of flipping the state into his win column.
This is the president’s fatal problem. No matter which battleground state we analyze, there is always a mismatch between the impropriety alleged and the remedy that it could yield. Where Trump is strongest, as in the Supreme Court case, the yield in votes is a relative pittance. Where Trump’s claims are weaker and hotly disputed, the president is asking for mass disfranchisement, which no court is ever going to order.
Comments I made about this state of play in a Fox News interview Friday morning irritated some of my Trump-diehard friends. I was asked whether the president should continue pursuing his legal challenges. Of course, it’s not my place to say what the president should do — 71 million people didn’t vote for me, and Donald Trump is absolutely entitled to exercise his legal rights. So, since I wouldn’t presume to say what the president should do, I confined myself to what I would do — which is acknowledge the reality that the election is lost.
This is not to concede a lack of voting irregularities. There has never been a big election about which such a boast could confidently be made. Some of the allegations of error and misconduct that the Trump campaign has alleged are bound to be true. On the other hand, some have already been found by judges to be wildly overstated — which, naturally, can only undermine the credibility of any valid claims the campaign has.
Nevertheless, “let’s see how it goes” is not a strategy. Before embarking on a campaign, including a litigation campaign, you have to identify the objective and make an assessment of whether or not it is attainable. Here, the objective is to reverse the election result, which the president cannot do unless he can flip not one but three states, one of which must be Pennsylvania.
This is not about equity. It is not about whether there was fraud. It is not about the entirely rational deduction that, because Democrats fight every attempt to shore up election integrity, they are looking for opportunities to cheat, if necessary, at the margins.
This is about math.
Presumptive president-elect Biden is currently winning the electoral vote count by 306 to 232. To get President Trump to the magic number of 270, or to get Biden under it, would require shifting 38 votes. Pennsylvania is only 20, so even if Trump could get it, he’d be 18 short. The Trump campaign appears to think its next best case is Michigan and its 16 electoral votes. The president trails there by 146,000.
I will come shortly to why I don’t believe the president has a realistic chance of flipping either of these states. But first, even if he could, what third state could he flip? There appear to be four candidates: Georgia (16 votes), Wisconsin (ten votes), Arizona (eleven votes) and Nevada (six votes).
In Georgia and Wisconsin, there is scant evidence of impropriety, but the races are tight enough to warrant recounts. Yet, recounts historically may shift a few hundred votes, not thousands. Trump trails by 10,000 in Georgia and 20,000 in Wisconsin. Recounts are not going to change those results.
In Arizona, the evidence of fraud is so scant the Trump campaign dropped its legal case in Maricopa County on Friday. Trump claims had already been rejected multiple times in court, and the state’s Republican attorney general has emphatically stated that there is neither evidence of material fraud nor reason to believe the result will be reversed. In Nevada, evidence of illegal ballots is similarly sparse, the Trump campaign has already lost in state court (where the case was sufficiently weak that the campaign moved to dismiss it), and the duplicative federal case it has filed has no apparent chance of prevailing.
Even assuming Trump could miraculously flip both Pennsylvania and Michigan, it is not obvious what third state he could get. And if he got only Pennsylvania, he’d need two of Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada. At how many windmills shall we tilt?
Now, let’s go back to Pennsylvania and Michigan. In neither state is the campaign claiming it can show particularized instances of vote fraud. Instead, it is alleging systemic irregularities — i.e., the safeguards assuring vote integrity were so lacking for mail-in ballots in the big-city Democratic strongholds of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Detroit that the mail-in ballots for entire counties must be voided — to the tune of 680,000 votes in Pennsylvania and 1.2 million votes in Michigan.
As I explained in a column earlier this week in connection with the Pennsylvania lawsuit (and the same goes for the Michigan lawsuit), the Trump campaign is relying on the equal-protection-of-law theory derived from Bush v. Gore (2000). The idea is that suspected illegal mail-in voters were privileged in a way citizens who voted legally and in person were not, and that counting the former’s ballots dilutes the latter’s.
Let’s stipulate that the Trump campaign can prove significant instances of impropriety. This, by the way, is a generous assumption. On Friday, Chief Judge Timothy M. Kenny of Michigan’s Third Circuit Court rejected a Republican effort to prevent the certification of votes in Wayne County, which includes Detroit. In so ruling, Judge Kenny found most of the allegations (which also factor into the Trump campaign’s federal lawsuit) to be speculative, based on flawed assumptions, biased, factually incorrect, and/or incredible. Pennsylvania election officials have echoed these critiques in a submission rebutting Trump-campaign allegations in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties.
The problem is that even if some degree of fraud could be proved, the remedy would have to be commensurate with the illegality. Otherwise, Biden voters would be denied equal protection on the same theory the Trump campaign posits.
If it could be established that procedures in the big cities were so lax that large-scale fraud probably occurred, the Trump campaign would, at most, get an opportunity to scrutinize ballots to show individual instances of fraud or other impropriety. That is, the remedy would be surgical. Courts are not going to crudely erase the hundreds of thousands of votes of entire counties over a comparatively modest showing of impropriety. If a court did that, it would not just be diluting the votes of hundreds of thousands of citizens who voted legally; it would be disenfranchising them. And if, as the Trump campaign maintains (correctly, no doubt), the votes in question are overwhelmingly Biden votes, then the disenfranchisement of lawful Biden voters would, under the Trump campaign’s own legal theory, improperly inflate Trump votes.
The Trump campaign’s federal suit in Michigan elucidates these flaws. The campaign relies on claimed systematic improprieties in Wayne County (the ones Judge Kenny of the state court rejected). Trump, however, seeks to strike the mail-in ballots not only from Wayne but also from Washtenaw and Ingham Counties. Yet, the campaign has little to say about either county. Ingham is barely mentioned, and Washtenaw is faulted for having more registered than eligible voters. The latter is a common situation that could potentially result in illegal voting, but not inevitably so — let alone inevitable tens of thousands of illegal votes.
As explained above, in the unlikely event the federal court completely agreed with the Trump campaign that there were systematic flaws in Wayne County that threatened election integrity, it would not totally wipe out Wayne’s votes; it is certainly not going to void hundreds of thousands of votes in two other counties that are barely involved and that Democrats will plausibly claim were targeted only because knocking out their votes would shift the statewide lead from Biden to Trump.
In any event, even if the Trump campaign could knock out a few thousand votes in Pennsylvania and Michigan, and that’s not close to a sure thing, it is not going to knock out enough to overcome Biden leads of 55,000 and 146,000 votes.
It should go without saying that I am not endorsing fraud or judicial indifference. Quite the opposite. I’ve repeatedly urged that the Supreme Court should decide the Pennsylvania case. For purposes of future elections, the justices should instruct federal and state judges that they lack general supervisory power to rewrite election laws enacted by state legislatures. Allegations of fraud should be investigated — whether through Trump-campaign lawsuits, legislative hearings, or law-enforcement probes — and any offenders should be prosecuted.
Moreover, election practices need to be carefully examined prior to the next election. Rules cannot be changed at or near the time of voting. If mail-in voting is a bad idea (I think it is), and if voter-identification and vote-tabulation procedures should be tightened up (I’m all for that), the time to do that is before an election happens. It was state laws that permitted the procedures under which the 2020 election took place — state laws that the Republicans, right now, are asking the Supreme Court to rule can’t be changed close to an election. It is too late at this point to claim that the rules were too lax, even if they were.
The honest answer to the question I was asked Friday morning is that I personally don’t see a path to victory here. I take no joy in that — I wanted Trump to defeat Biden. Legally, however, I don’t see how the Trump campaign is going to change the result in a single state, much less three states. Again, the president has a right to his legal challenges. The Illuminati never squawk when Democrats pursue theirs — when Hillary Clinton proclaims that, if he appeared to have lost, Joe Biden should not concede to Trump “under any circumstances”; or when Democrats spend years falsely claiming a Republican president’s hold on the office is illegitimate. We are not in a crisis. The Trump legal challenges should be wrapped up in advance of the first week in December, when states must certify their votes.
But if “it ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings,” then, as they say, that sound you hear is the fat lady clearing her throat.
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/dershowitz-trump-may-try-to-deny-biden-270-electoral-votes-put-election-in-congress_3579716.html?ref=brief_News&utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2020-11-16&fbclid=IwAR3XkFtKrHqfnBCRloPU4SXlFXMtCpReltwVJkb6PDIhGFSdCueVD6j0Wh0
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Am scheduled for the reeducation camps now. Just waiting for the Harris/Biden team to let me know when and where.
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"Am scheduled for the reeducation camps now. Just waiting for the Harris/Biden team to let me know when and where."
in patient will be conducted in Philadelphia , Detroit , Milwaukee , Harlem , Watts
outpatient "treatments " beginning in home with all networks cable and FB Google Twitter
Radio stations "temporarily " shut down
you can continue to get re education treatment in schools
and any Federal government facility
for those difficult cases think the Prudhoe Bay .
maybe shortwave radio will be able to avoid re education .
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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/11/15/illegitimate-president/#more-227816
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/12-reasons-why-trumps-lawyers-are-absolutely-convinced-he-will-win-election
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https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-elections-372af3b89bc1f5f0f6d7f8c80025a9b0
Joe "the Great" is closing in on 80 million votes
his lead keeps increasing
SIXTEEN days after election day.
shysterism I think that is an adjective - if not I just made it up.
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As always reports of this or that, if negative about Trump , are taken as gospel, proof , evidence
but anything positive on our side is hearsay
conspiracy theory
right wing nuts
no proof
not evidence
lies
"birther"
"racist"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-given-hopes-overturning-132945336.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLLe-uHrPZA&feature=emb_logo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLLe-uHrPZA&feature=emb_logo
Wrong URL?
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Whoops! Some great gun fighting stuff though.
Here's Rudy:
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/11/put-societal-resilience-center-defense-planning/170174/
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Whoops! Some great gun fighting stuff though.
Here's Rudy:
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/11/put-societal-resilience-center-defense-planning/170174/
Check the URL, Crafty Biden.
:-D
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Whoops! Some great gun fighting stuff though.
Here's Rudy:
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/11/put-societal-resilience-center-defense-planning/170174/
Mike Glover is a good guy to listen to.
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And, trying again :oops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ&fbclid=IwAR3vEfCu6VUrItdagIhhToxTRExygxVeZwX88GsKtCVrnzQFmJFavOui-I8
Begins with Rudy at 5800 or 5900. Sydney is around 12700 or 13700 IIRC.
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another one:
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/21/blackwell-the-greatest-electoral-heist-in-american-history/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/michigan-ag-calls-criminal-charges-against-gop-certifiers-who-wont-fall-line
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2020-11-22
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https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/fair-fight-pac/C00693515/summary/2020
no soros is not at top of list
it is the other one
who at various times is a democrat republican or independent depending on which suits his business most.
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It seemed that all remaining hope of reelection rested on the claims made by attorney Sidney Powell. Now the Trump team has disowned her. Why?
a. She has nothing, or
b. What she has doesn't point all in one direction? What she has points also to the Georgia Republican Governor.
c. Money
https://noqreport.com/2020/11/23/sidney-powells-separation-from-team-trump-had-nothing-to-do-with-dominion-conspiracy-theories/
Wait and see seems to be the only course left.
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she was kind of our last real hope:
"Now the Trump team has disowned her. Why?"
good question but does not sound good from our stand point
Like Sean Hannity said early on the cat is already out of the bag
We will never know the extent of the Fraud . I think it almost certain it is a LOT more than what we have seen .
Probably was enough to sway the election - in my opinion much likely it did than did not
that said we didn't fight back early enough
we all knew what the Dems were up to
it is frustrating to know all this fraud and abuse of the courts the constitution
and nothing we can do about it
I know the feeling well
the lying political scoundrels just like the music industry types
no shame
just lying crooks
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I would add that President Trump has failed to have a heart to heart with the American people showing consciousness of and responsiveness to honest concerns regular people have about him.
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".I would add that President Trump has failed to have a heart to heart with the American people showing consciousness of and responsiveness to honest concerns regular people have about him."
well sure
like Coulter said
we know he is incapable of true empathy or sympathy unless it directly affects himself
but worse he couldn't even pretend to be kind
he could not even get himself to say " i feel your pain" let alone mean it.
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I want presidents to be presidents, not teary-eyed soibois.
YMMV
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Margin of Victory
Neb. 2nd dist. - 31,192 1 electoral vote
Georgia - 12,670 16 electoral votes
Wisconsin - 20,608 10 electoral votes
Arizona - 10,457 11 electoral votes
Total - 74,927
Total votes cast: 153,613,774
Margin of victory: 0.049%
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says a different Donald from my childhood:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/gsa-tells-biden-that-trump-admin-ready-to-begin-transfer-of-power/
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Only thing I know now about what is going on is that I do not know what is going on.
Whole thing is one confused messed. Not optimistic of outcome.
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/tsunami-of-voter-fraud-evidence-is-about-to-sweep-away-medias-claim-that-biden-won
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/tsunami-of-voter-fraud-evidence-is-about-to-sweep-away-medias-claim-that-biden-won
I sure hope so.
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/tsunami-of-voter-fraud-evidence-is-about-to-sweep-away-medias-claim-that-biden-won
I sure hope so.
I see others far less optimistic than this article. I see the Court turning this only if the evidence is completely convincing and even then highly unlikely.
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"“The number of questionable ballots surpasses the vote margin in at least three states right now—Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin,” Braynard told The Epoch Times on Nov. 25. Those three states have a combined total of 37 electoral votes."
https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-findings-could-easily-overturn-3-states-data-analyst-concludes_3595153.html?utm_source=partner
Even this, "questionable", isn't enough.
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every vote must count
takes precedence over the crimes committed
we should have had our on mills churning out bags of 100% Trump ballots and then bring them in noon time and dumped on the
inner city election tables with Republican people watching to be sure they counted
instead of cocaine they are producing. bags of phony ballots
like a well coordinated heist
with legal protection
like the paid off players in a mob story
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Numbers we never seem to see. Numbers the fraud case needs to cover.
Wash Post Nov 13
Joe Biden wins thanks to 81,139
votes in four states.
Nevada
35,453
Wisconsin
20,546
Georgia
14,152
Arizona
10,988
(Also Pennsylvania)
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"Texas’s principal claim, for example, is that by administering the election in a way that deviated from their states’ laws, election officials in the defendant states usurped the authority of their state legislatures, in violation of the Constitution’s Electors Clause (Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 2). The Third Circuit has explained that not even the citizens of the states where this happened nor candidates for office have standing to press such a claim. How on earth would a different, comparatively unaffected state have standing? Not surprisingly, the rambling discussion of standing principles in Paxton’s brief cites no case holding that a state has standing to challenge another state’s administration of an election."
Note that for the citizens and candidates of PA there appears to be no remedy for the harm.
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other attorneys disagree , here is John Eastman:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/john-eastman-scotus-trial-court-election/2020/12/10/id/1001017/
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other attorneys disagree , here is John Eastman:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/john-eastman-scotus-trial-court-election/2020/12/10/id/1001017/
McCarthy's opinion on standing was written before Pennsylvania state legislators joined the case.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pennsylvania-state-legislators-file-amicus-brief-in-support-of-texas-election-suit
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Michigan legislators join the case.
Michigan Legislators Join Texas Election Lawsuit
https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/12/10/the-big-one-gets-bigger-15-michigan-legislators-join-texas-election-lawsuit-n1202994
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https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/3670662001
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I'm outta freebies. Could someone paste the article please?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/time-to-step-back-from-the-brink/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Saturday%202020-12-12&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
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I'm outta freebies. Could someone paste the article please?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/time-to-step-back-from-the-brink/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Saturday%202020-12-12&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Time to Step Back from the Brink
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
December 11, 2020 9:01 PM
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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton addresses reporters on the steps of the Supreme Court, in Washington March 2, 2016 (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
Did the GOP attorneys general who backed Texas’s failed election lawsuit understand the dangerous implications of their argument?
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‘This is the big one.” That is how President Trump on Wednesday described Texas attorney general Ken Paxton’s Hail Mary lawsuit against four states that have certified Joe Biden as the winner of the 2020 presidential election. The president was tweeting an announcement that he would be “INTERVENING” in the suit.
Technically, he was asking the Supreme Court to permit him to join the suit. In the end, as we’ve predicted, there was nothing for him to join. Friday evening, the Supreme Court summarily denied Texas’s motion to file its complaint. Reportedly, two justices, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented. They did not contend there was any merit to the suit; they adhered to their longstanding view that the Court must accept cases when states invoke the Court’s original jurisdiction.
There was no rule requiring the Supreme Court to decide Texas’s motion within a specific time. There is, however, a significant timetable imposed by Congress for (1) the resolution of election disputes at the state level, (2) the meeting of the Electoral College, and (3) the convening of a joint session at which Congress counts the votes. As I explained on Friday, because these dates are prescribed under Congress’s plenary constitutional authority, the Supreme Court had no power to ignore or delay them. The Court itself recognized this fact 20 years ago in deciding Bush v. Gore — which it did on the safe-harbor day because further delay would not have been permissible.
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On Friday evening, the Court ruled that Texas lacked standing to posit its claims. For that reason, among others, I had described those claims as “frivolous” in my previous column. That was upsetting to some readers, despite my assertions that some of the voting irregularities Texas complained about are anything but frivolous. As I’ve detailed (see, e.g., here, here and here) some serious, credible reports of shenanigans have been raised, the “kraken” and other dross notwithstanding. Those matters need to be addressed.
The problem is that a federal lawsuit by Texas was not a viable vehicle for doing that. It is not my intention to belabor the multiple fatal weaknesses of Texas’s claims. (Our National Review editorial about that is here.) What I want to focus on is the fact that 18 other states with Republican attorneys general sought to join Texas’s gambit. That is to say, 19 states that identify as conservative now take the position that states should be able to sue other states for the latter’s application of their own laws to their own citizens.
What this argument implies, whether the states making it realize it or not, is that even if Missouri wants to apply its own, stricter voter-identification standards, California should be allowed to file a complaint against Missouri in the Supreme Court. After all, the uber-progressive Golden State’s experts will say a strict-identification requirement disproportionately discourages qualified minority voters, which depresses Democratic Party turnout, effectively inflating the value of Republican votes to the detriment of Californians, who voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate.
You can see where this goes.
Remember how up in arms Republicans from these 19 states used to be over the effort by Democrats, as soon as they took control of the House, to “federalize” national elections? Democrats wanted Washington to dictate to red states that there should be no registration deadlines, no identification laws, no restrictions on voting by felons, strict limitations on how the rolls were purged of ineligible voters, and so on.
Yet, less than two years later, we’re in such crazy times that Republicans proposed to have the Supreme Court federalize elections through lawsuits brought by red states against blue states and — or did they figure their stunt wouldn’t lead to this? — blue states against red states.
It is a lamebrain idea. Fortunately, it had no chance of happening because, under Chief Justice John Roberts, not with a ten-foot pole would the Supreme Court touch a case that involves governmental processes that are inherently political — i.e., consigned by the Constitution and tradition to the political branches of government that are accountable to voters.
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Occasionally, this default position is maddening. The justices end up avoiding some issues they should decide, and too narrowly deciding others. Still, putting aside the chief justice’s jitters over the Court’s reputation for nonpartisanship, the Court’s posture is driven by the admirable principle that a self-determining people should govern itself through its politically accountable elected officials — not the unaccountable judiciary.
The Court made this clear last year in Rucho v. Common Cause, a case in which voters and activist groups from each party — Democrats in North Carolina, Republicans in Maryland — complained about the politicized drawing of districts. As Justice Scalia had explained 15 years earlier in his Veith v. Jubelirer concurrence, “gerrymandering,” the better-known term for this practice, was minted in 1812 — an amalgam of the name of then-Massachusetts Governor Elbridge Gerry and a salamander, the vivid image evoked by an election district Gerry had drawn for blatant partisan advantage. Districting is a quintessential political function, one that defies workable standards of justiciability.
While acknowledging Chief Justice John Marshall’s time-honored Marbury v. Madison proclamation that “it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is,” Scalia also seemed mindful of the equally well-known but more often ignored wisdom of Clint Eastwood: “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
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So do courts. “Sometimes,” Scalia wrote, “the law is that the judicial department has no business entertaining the claim of unlawfulness — because the question is entrusted to one of the political branches or involves no judicially enforceable rights.” Applying this principle, Chief Justice Roberts in Rucho observed that judicial intrusion into district-drawing by legislatures would mark “an unprecedented expansion of judicial power” — and “not into just any area of controversy, but into one of the most intensely partisan aspects of American political life.”
Guess what? In terms of partisan politics, presidential elections are gerrymandering times a hundred. All the more reason to oppose what Roberts, in the redistricting context, described as “the effect of the unelected and politically unaccountable branch of the Federal Government assuming such an extraordinary and unprecedented role.”
Choosing a president is a political process left, at the federal level, to Congress. With due respect to the president, then, “the big one” was never going to be a Supreme Court case. It will be a legislative vote: the one Congress will take on January 6.
Texas and the 18 other red states pleaded with the judiciary to do their heavy lifting for them. Why should the Supreme Court have done that? Why shouldn’t its answer have been, “Hey, senators and representatives of Texas and all the rest of you elected delegations from Republican-leaning states: If you don’t think the votes of 20 million people should count, why don’t you object to them yourselves, in Congress?”
If Texas Republicans want the votes of other states stricken because those states failed to follow the letter of their legislatures’ election laws, let them stand up and object — and in so doing explain why Texas’s own electoral votes should still be counted, even though their own governor unilaterally changed election law.
If congressional Republicans are adamant that the votes of the people of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia are illegitimate, let them stand up and object . . . and see if they ever win another election in those states again.
Let Republicans try to explain to the country why what they propose to do to states that vote for a Democratic candidate won’t result in Democrats disenfranchising states that vote for a Republican candidate.
With President Trump refusing to accept defeat and his core supporters stoked by hysterical claims that the election has been stolen — as opposed to righteous concerns that election integrity needs shoring up — Republicans are walking a razor’s edge. They do not want to court the wrath of Trump supporters, so they are supporting the unsupportable; besides the 18 states, well over 100 GOP House members have now expressed support for Texas’s gambit. They may calculate that this is a cost-free gesture, but it is not: It eggs on the president’s tirades and intensifies his supporters’ “Stop the Steal” zeal.
With the Court declining to entertain the Texas lawsuit, however, and the Electoral College voting on Monday, what then?
Are Republicans ready for what they are teeing up on January 6? Have they thought this through? Are they ready to have the Republican Party identified with the disenfranchisement of millions of Americans? Are they ready for a new kind of “United” States in which we invalidate each other’s votes? In which we roll the dice on how states will coexist once they start trying to disenfranchise each other?
After the Electoral College votes, there will be no more pleading with courts to take the explosive actions. After that, we’re down to plain old self-government by accountable politics. Here’s hoping that’s when we step back from the brink.
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McCarthy is a deep state cocksucker.
I'm outta freebies. Could someone paste the article please?
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Time to Step Back from the Brink
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
December 11, 2020 9:01 PM
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Did the GOP attorneys general who backed Texas’s failed election lawsuit understand the dangerous implications of their argument?
NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLE
‘This is the big one.” That is how President Trump on Wednesday described Texas attorney general Ken Paxton’s Hail Mary lawsuit against four states that have certified Joe Biden as the winner of the 2020 presidential election. The president was tweeting an announcement that he would be “INTERVENING” in the suit.
Technically, he was asking the Supreme Court to permit him to join the suit. In the end, as we’ve predicted, there was nothing for him to join. Friday evening, the Supreme Court summarily denied Texas’s motion to file its complaint. Reportedly, two justices, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented. They did not contend there was any merit to the suit; they adhered to their longstanding view that the Court must accept cases when states invoke the Court’s original jurisdiction.
There was no rule requiring the Supreme Court to decide Texas’s motion within a specific time. There is, however, a significant timetable imposed by Congress for (1) the resolution of election disputes at the state level, (2) the meeting of the Electoral College, and (3) the convening of a joint session at which Congress counts the votes. As I explained on Friday, because these dates are prescribed under Congress’s plenary constitutional authority, the Supreme Court had no power to ignore or delay them. The Court itself recognized this fact 20 years ago in deciding Bush v. Gore — which it did on the safe-harbor day because further delay would not have been permissible.
MORE IN TEXAS
Texas Unleashes an Absurd Kraken
Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit to Overturn Elections
The Dumb Statistical Argument in Texas’s Election Lawsuit
On Friday evening, the Court ruled that Texas lacked standing to posit its claims. For that reason, among others, I had described those claims as “frivolous” in my previous column. That was upsetting to some readers, despite my assertions that some of the voting irregularities Texas complained about are anything but frivolous. As I’ve detailed (see, e.g., here, here and here) some serious, credible reports of shenanigans have been raised, the “kraken” and other dross notwithstanding. Those matters need to be addressed.
The problem is that a federal lawsuit by Texas was not a viable vehicle for doing that. It is not my intention to belabor the multiple fatal weaknesses of Texas’s claims. (Our National Review editorial about that is here.) What I want to focus on is the fact that 18 other states with Republican attorneys general sought to join Texas’s gambit. That is to say, 19 states that identify as conservative now take the position that states should be able to sue other states for the latter’s application of their own laws to their own citizens.
What this argument implies, whether the states making it realize it or not, is that even if Missouri wants to apply its own, stricter voter-identification standards, California should be allowed to file a complaint against Missouri in the Supreme Court. After all, the uber-progressive Golden State’s experts will say a strict-identification requirement disproportionately discourages qualified minority voters, which depresses Democratic Party turnout, effectively inflating the value of Republican votes to the detriment of Californians, who voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate.
You can see where this goes.
Remember how up in arms Republicans from these 19 states used to be over the effort by Democrats, as soon as they took control of the House, to “federalize” national elections? Democrats wanted Washington to dictate to red states that there should be no registration deadlines, no identification laws, no restrictions on voting by felons, strict limitations on how the rolls were purged of ineligible voters, and so on.
Yet, less than two years later, we’re in such crazy times that Republicans proposed to have the Supreme Court federalize elections through lawsuits brought by red states against blue states and — or did they figure their stunt wouldn’t lead to this? — blue states against red states.
It is a lamebrain idea. Fortunately, it had no chance of happening because, under Chief Justice John Roberts, not with a ten-foot pole would the Supreme Court touch a case that involves governmental processes that are inherently political — i.e., consigned by the Constitution and tradition to the political branches of government that are accountable to voters.
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Occasionally, this default position is maddening. The justices end up avoiding some issues they should decide, and too narrowly deciding others. Still, putting aside the chief justice’s jitters over the Court’s reputation for nonpartisanship, the Court’s posture is driven by the admirable principle that a self-determining people should govern itself through its politically accountable elected officials — not the unaccountable judiciary.
The Court made this clear last year in Rucho v. Common Cause, a case in which voters and activist groups from each party — Democrats in North Carolina, Republicans in Maryland — complained about the politicized drawing of districts. As Justice Scalia had explained 15 years earlier in his Veith v. Jubelirer concurrence, “gerrymandering,” the better-known term for this practice, was minted in 1812 — an amalgam of the name of then-Massachusetts Governor Elbridge Gerry and a salamander, the vivid image evoked by an election district Gerry had drawn for blatant partisan advantage. Districting is a quintessential political function, one that defies workable standards of justiciability.
While acknowledging Chief Justice John Marshall’s time-honored Marbury v. Madison proclamation that “it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is,” Scalia also seemed mindful of the equally well-known but more often ignored wisdom of Clint Eastwood: “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
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So do courts. “Sometimes,” Scalia wrote, “the law is that the judicial department has no business entertaining the claim of unlawfulness — because the question is entrusted to one of the political branches or involves no judicially enforceable rights.” Applying this principle, Chief Justice Roberts in Rucho observed that judicial intrusion into district-drawing by legislatures would mark “an unprecedented expansion of judicial power” — and “not into just any area of controversy, but into one of the most intensely partisan aspects of American political life.”
Guess what? In terms of partisan politics, presidential elections are gerrymandering times a hundred. All the more reason to oppose what Roberts, in the redistricting context, described as “the effect of the unelected and politically unaccountable branch of the Federal Government assuming such an extraordinary and unprecedented role.”
Choosing a president is a political process left, at the federal level, to Congress. With due respect to the president, then, “the big one” was never going to be a Supreme Court case. It will be a legislative vote: the one Congress will take on January 6.
Texas and the 18 other red states pleaded with the judiciary to do their heavy lifting for them. Why should the Supreme Court have done that? Why shouldn’t its answer have been, “Hey, senators and representatives of Texas and all the rest of you elected delegations from Republican-leaning states: If you don’t think the votes of 20 million people should count, why don’t you object to them yourselves, in Congress?”
If Texas Republicans want the votes of other states stricken because those states failed to follow the letter of their legislatures’ election laws, let them stand up and object — and in so doing explain why Texas’s own electoral votes should still be counted, even though their own governor unilaterally changed election law.
If congressional Republicans are adamant that the votes of the people of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia are illegitimate, let them stand up and object . . . and see if they ever win another election in those states again.
Let Republicans try to explain to the country why what they propose to do to states that vote for a Democratic candidate won’t result in Democrats disenfranchising states that vote for a Republican candidate.
With President Trump refusing to accept defeat and his core supporters stoked by hysterical claims that the election has been stolen — as opposed to righteous concerns that election integrity needs shoring up — Republicans are walking a razor’s edge. They do not want to court the wrath of Trump supporters, so they are supporting the unsupportable; besides the 18 states, well over 100 GOP House members have now expressed support for Texas’s gambit. They may calculate that this is a cost-free gesture, but it is not: It eggs on the president’s tirades and intensifies his supporters’ “Stop the Steal” zeal.
With the Court declining to entertain the Texas lawsuit, however, and the Electoral College voting on Monday, what then?
Are Republicans ready for what they are teeing up on January 6? Have they thought this through? Are they ready to have the Republican Party identified with the disenfranchisement of millions of Americans? Are they ready for a new kind of “United” States in which we invalidate each other’s votes? In which we roll the dice on how states will coexist once they start trying to disenfranchise each other?
After the Electoral College votes, there will be no more pleading with courts to take the explosive actions. After that, we’re down to plain old self-government by accountable politics. Here’s hoping that’s when we step back from the brink.
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Ever the pithy eloquence from our GM :-D
I confess to having a lot of respect for AM. He has been a bright light of clarity, including legal clarity, for the past four years.
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Ever the pithy eloquence from our GM :-D
I confess to having a lot of respect for AM. He has been a bright light of clarity, including legal clarity, for the past four years.
"With President Trump refusing to accept defeat and his core supporters stoked by hysterical claims that the election has been stolen — as opposed to righteous concerns that election integrity needs shoring up — Republicans are walking a razor’s edge. They do not want to court the wrath of Trump supporters, so they are supporting the unsupportable; besides the 18 states, well over 100 GOP House members have now expressed support for Texas’s gambit. They may calculate that this is a cost-free gesture, but it is not: It eggs on the president’s tirades and intensifies his supporters’ “Stop the Steal” zeal."
I guess we are just supposed to let the left's fraud machine give us a good old prison raping and just shrug our shoulders and walk away as they turn this country into Venezuela Del Norte.
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He knows more about the law than he does about the evidence. His predictions have tended to come true so his take here helps us to keep our expectations low.
There is a conundrum here. Nothing happens judicially until the evidence is overwhelming and people can't be overwhelmed by what investigators won't investigate and media won't allow to be known.
If this was a coordinated attack, that will likely be demonstrated too late when there is no remedy available.
My approach is just wait and see until each deadline passes. Today the Wisconsin Supreme federal district Court heard testimony and saw evidence. Milwaukee was one if the four main cities where these result changing, middle of the night, Biden vote count surges occurred. (Dem judge dismissed it.) Republicans need a win in three States and it has to start with a win in one of them - soon.
Biden did not win 99+% in any precinct or vote batch that included working people, blacks, Hispanics or whites. Anything to the contrary was changed or manipulated. Proving it is another matter.
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When the legal system loses connection to justice, humans will revert to the laws hardwired into them.
Lex Talionis.
He knows more about the law than the evidence. His predictions have tended to come true so his take here helps us to keep our expectations low.
There is a conundrum here. Nothing happens judicially until the evidence is overwhelming and people can't be overwhelmed by what investigators won't investigate and media won't allow to be known.
If this was a coordinated attack, that will likely be demonstrated too late when there is no remedy available.
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"When the legal system loses connection to justice, humans will revert to the laws hardwired into them.
Lex Talionis"
Right. Law of retaliation. The steal lights the fire within us, but it is when they use the ill-gotten power against us that real resistance will emerge.
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"When the legal system loses connection to justice, humans will revert to the laws hardwired into them.
Lex Talionis"
Right. Law of retaliation. The steal lights the fire within us, but it is when they use the ill-gotten power against us that real resistance will emerge.
There are multiple things that could be the final spark into the growing pool of gasoline, but I would bet the attempt to take guns will be it.
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Arizona has a vote fraud hearing this am.
Electoral college meets today, result is predetermined.
Trump lawyers still making moves.
(Georgia Senate elections are Jan 5.)
Tally of the electoral votes cast is Jan 5.
270 wins, Biden has 306 as it stands.
Trump needs result blocked or changed in 3 states to get to the next round.
Trump needs vote blocked in one state SOON to open that possibility.
Most likely 99.9% chance result, Biden is irreversibly inaugurated as more and more evidence of mass fraud continues to emerge. MSM continues to call it baseless allegations while reasonable people reason the result illegitimate. Georgia Senate races determine if we have one party rule. The honor and wisdom of Chuck Schumer (lack thereof) will determine if the filibuster is removed forever. Pack the Court or just wait these justices out, constitutional limits on power are on the way out.
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Summarizing the G M graphic,
Trump was up by 5% in Wisconsin, 8% in Georgia, 10% in Michigan and 15% in Pennsylvania with all the polls closed and the majority of the votes counted, when the (baseless) steal began.
We expected the mail in count to favor Biden by a possible 2 to 1 ratio, 66 to 33, not 99.9 to 0.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/18/election-2020-biden-voters-twice-likely-vote-mail-survey-finds/3394795001/
This is the one in a quadrillion math experiment: Put 67 blue and 33 red marbles in a large jar, shake for three hours, then count them. Repeat until you get the result 100 blue and zero red.
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now acceptable
if done by Democrats
dumb ass Republican governors and state legislatures did not stop this when the writing was on the wall prior to election
MSM
are the ones really destroying our democracy NOT Trump
many on the LEFT will learn the hardway
but the rest of us who know better will all have to suffer now on the way down
Chinese still laugh at us and our stupid politics
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk3LzrjDOfc&feature=emb_logo
Pallets Full of Ballots
is the only way to win.
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https://www.statesboroherald.com/ob/obituary-mr-james-david-jamie-osullivan/
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Huh?
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Huh?
Anything of note in GA related to the election?
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Sorry to be slow but , , , huh?
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https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbarone/2020/12/25/immigrant-voters-trended-toward-trump-n2582092
Really, everyone trended toward Trump, except my friends, white rich suburban men, and the six cities that had the cheat on.
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Who knew.
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President Trump said throughout the campaign that the Democratic Party took African-Americans, Hispanics and Asians for granted, and the message apparently got through to the increasingly powerful voting blocs.
Detailed voter analysis by The New York Times released last week shows a massive influx of votes for Trump from the blocs. While Democrat Joe Biden still got the majority of votes from the groups, in cities like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Miami and Philadelphia huge swaths of the groups voted Republican.
"The red shifts, along with a wave of blue shifts in Republican and white areas, have scrambled the conventional wisdom of American politics and could presage a new electoral calculus for the parties," the Times wrote.
The findings were stunning, and no doubt have thrown the Democratic Party for a loop. Before the 2024 election, Democrats will need to figure out if Trump was the key, or if rank-and-file Democrats really are getting fed up.
Take Cook County, home to Chicago. Mr. Biden won it by 50 percentage points over Trump. Some 2,158 precincts shifted right, compared to the 2016 election. Meanwhile, just 1,508 shifted left.
"In particular, Chicago precincts with a lot of immigrants saw more people turning out than in 2016, and many shifted to Mr. Trump," said the Times.
In areas of the Windy City that include large numbers of people of Mexican descent, Trump received 45% more votes than in 2016, while Biden's share stayed stagnant. Immigrants from Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe also turned out for Trump.
For instance, in Chinatown, Trump's share of the vote increased by 34% while Biden's actually dropped — he received 6% fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Biden's margin among Asians fell 12 percentage points compared to 2016.
Much the same thing occurred in Los Angeles, where the study showed that in 1,544 voting precincts, votes for Trump increased by 78% over 2016. And the number was the same in New York, with precincts heavily populated by Latinos and Asian-Americans also increasing by 78%.
The list goes on and on. Comparing 2020 to 2016, Trump's share of the vote from Latinos and Asians rose by:
59% in Houston
61% in Miami
59% in San Diego
94% in San Jose
70% in Orlando
111% in Philadelphia
33% in Dallas
64% in Phoenix
54% in Las Vegas
The two voting blocs will only get stronger. Right now, about 13% of voters are Hispanic, and 4% are Asian-American, but in 12 years, Hispanic voters are projected to make up 18% of the electorate, and the Asian-American number is set to rise, too.
Florida offers a troubling insight for Democrats. Trump was widely popular among voters of Cuban descent, which helped power him to victory in the swing state. While Biden won Miami-Dade County by 7 percentage points, Hillary Clinton crushed Trump there in 2016 by 29 percentage points.
"But the shift right in areas with high immigrant populations was statewide, not just in Miami, and helped the president win the state with a margin larger than in 2016, though polls had predicted a Biden win," wrote the Times.
"The shift occurred in many precincts with Latino immigrants from Central and South America, including in Fort Lauderdale, north of Miami. And it also encompassed areas that are Latino but not immigrant. In Orlando, precincts with a substantial population of Puerto Ricans shifted red, though less so than the ones in Miami."
Trump also improved his performance in majority black precincts in Miami-Dade County, winning just over 13% of the vote compared to just under 7% in 2016, the Miami Herald reported.
"In Miami Gardens, the largest majority black city in Florida, Trump captured nearly 15% of the vote, compared to just over 7% in 2016, with the vast majority of votes counted," the paper reported.
Trump's good numbers were in part the result of a strong effort by his campaign to connect with potential black voters.
But successful policy measures by Trump and his administration were arguably more effective. Among them were criminal justice reform and an economic policy that resulted in record-low unemployment for black Americans — and more recently a so-called "Platinum Plan" that attempts to provide more access to capital for black-owned businesses and a steady federal funding stream for Historically Black Colleges.
Trump's efforts have won him support from such influential leaders in the black community as former football star Herschel Walker and entertainers Kayne West and Lil Wayne.
The Herald noted that Trump's big numbers among Hispanics helped him win the state.
"Trump's success in Miami-Dade was driven in part by gains in majority Hispanic districts, where he won nearly 55% of the vote, and majority White precincts, where he took nearly 43% of the vote with most results reported," the Herald wrote. "Hillary Clinton won roughly 56% of the vote in these majority Hispanic precincts in 2016 and nearly 60% of the vote in these majority White precincts in 2016."
Meanwhile, reports that Texas is rapidly turning blue might by wishful thinking.
More than 687,000 Californians have moved to Texas over the last decade, according to an analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data from 2010-19. With no state income taxes — one of only a handful of states to offer such a break — Texas is a huge change from high-tax California. That's led to predictions that Texas — with its massive 38 electoral votes — will fall soon.
"The long-anticipated purpling of Republican Texas that was supposed to come as more Latinos joined the electorate was certainly nowhere in evidence on Election Day," the Times wrote.
How'd that work out? "In Houston's 245 precincts with the largest share of Latinos, turnout was up sharply from 2016, and Mr. Trump won nearly two-thirds of the additional votes," said the Times. "Across Texas, the red shifts were most pronounced in precincts with the highest proportion of Latinos. The Democratic margin in 80 percent Latino precincts dropped an average of 17 percentage points."
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/hispanic-asian-vote-shifted-hard-gop-2020-presidential-election
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rump Lost to Himself
His own pollster shows why he became a one-term President.
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Donald Trump launched a personal attack on Mitch McConnell this week after the Senate GOP leader called the former President “practically and morally responsible” for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. Mr. McConnell doesn’t need our defense, but we hope GOP voters aren’t buying Mr. Trump’s attempt to rewrite the history of the 2020 election.
Mr. Trump’s statement didn’t claim that he won the election, but it did begin to burnish the result by taking credit for every GOP victory while boasting that he “received the most votes of any sitting President in history, almost 75,000,000.” Joe Biden still beat him by more than seven million votes.
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As important is why he lost, and for that look no further than Mr. Trump’s own pollster, Tony Fabrizio. His firm’s post-election analysis was first reported by Politico, but it’s worth resurfacing for Republicans to ponder.
Mr. Fabrizio looked at data from exit polls and AP’s VoteCast in 10 highly competitive states that Mr. Trump won in 2016. Mr. Trump lost five of them in 2020—Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin—while winning Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas a second time.
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One stunning conclusion: Mr. Trump lost even though the electorate was more Republican in 2020 than in 2016. Mr. Fabrizio reports that Mr. Trump lost “largely due to a massive swing” among independents and erosion among Republicans. This helps explain how the GOP gained a dozen seats in the House even as Mr. Trump became the first President to lose re-election since George H.W. Bush.
Much of this erosion in support was based on dislike for Mr. Trump personally and the way he handled the Presidency. “While a majority of voters said they didn’t find either Presidential candidate honest or trustworthy, Biden held a double-digit advantage over POTUS,” especially in the five states that flipped to Mr. Biden in 2020, says the Fabrizio analysis.
Mr. Trump was favored 6 to 1 or more among voters on the economy. But the coronavirus was the top voter issue in both groups of states, and Mr. Biden carried those voters 3 to 1. Mr. Trump’s eroded credibility and inability to maintain a consistent Covid message may have been decisive.
More startling is that Mr. Trump “suffered his greatest erosion with white voters, particularly white men in both state groups,” according to the Fabrizio analysis. This offset his double digit gains with Hispanics while he performed about as well with blacks as he did in 2016. The former President also lost ground with nearly every age group in both sets of states, and he “suffered with white college educated voters across the board.”
We rehearse all this not to rub an open political wound. The point is to remember, as time passes and Mr. Trump blames everyone else for his defeat, that 2020 was a winnable race. Mr. Trump had many accomplishments to tout, and voters recognized them. But Mr. Biden’s consistent campaign message of a return to a calmer, more unifying politics resonated with millions of voters who had tired of the constant Trump turmoil.
Mr. Trump didn’t lose to Joe Biden. He lost to himself.
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That and MASSIVE fraud.
rump Lost to Himself
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Mr. Trump’s statement didn’t claim that he won the election, but it did begin to burnish the result by taking credit for every GOP victory while boasting that he “received the most votes of any sitting President in history, almost 75,000,000.” Joe Biden still beat him by more than seven million votes.
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As important is why he lost, and for that look no further than Mr. Trump’s own pollster, Tony Fabrizio. His firm’s post-election analysis was first reported by Politico, but it’s worth resurfacing for Republicans to ponder.
Mr. Fabrizio looked at data from exit polls and AP’s VoteCast in 10 highly competitive states that Mr. Trump won in 2016. Mr. Trump lost five of them in 2020—Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin—while winning Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas a second time.
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One stunning conclusion: Mr. Trump lost even though the electorate was more Republican in 2020 than in 2016. Mr. Fabrizio reports that Mr. Trump lost “largely due to a massive swing” among independents and erosion among Republicans. This helps explain how the GOP gained a dozen seats in the House even as Mr. Trump became the first President to lose re-election since George H.W. Bush.
Much of this erosion in support was based on dislike for Mr. Trump personally and the way he handled the Presidency. “While a majority of voters said they didn’t find either Presidential candidate honest or trustworthy, Biden held a double-digit advantage over POTUS,” especially in the five states that flipped to Mr. Biden in 2020, says the Fabrizio analysis.
Mr. Trump was favored 6 to 1 or more among voters on the economy. But the coronavirus was the top voter issue in both groups of states, and Mr. Biden carried those voters 3 to 1. Mr. Trump’s eroded credibility and inability to maintain a consistent Covid message may have been decisive.
More startling is that Mr. Trump “suffered his greatest erosion with white voters, particularly white men in both state groups,” according to the Fabrizio analysis. This offset his double digit gains with Hispanics while he performed about as well with blacks as he did in 2016. The former President also lost ground with nearly every age group in both sets of states, and he “suffered with white college educated voters across the board.”
We rehearse all this not to rub an open political wound. The point is to remember, as time passes and Mr. Trump blames everyone else for his defeat, that 2020 was a winnable race. Mr. Trump had many accomplishments to tout, and voters recognized them. But Mr. Biden’s consistent campaign message of a return to a calmer, more unifying politics resonated with millions of voters who had tired of the constant Trump turmoil.
Mr. Trump didn’t lose to Joe Biden. He lost to himself.
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Mr. Trump didn’t lose to Joe Biden. He lost to himself.
and that is why he MUST not be the candidate in '24
he is damaged goods
like as somewhere I read recently
Hillary was in '16 -
damaged goods
she was so purely hated by too many
she couldn't even win with all her advantages
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Damaged by the left's hate machine. I am so old, I remember when Reagan was Hitler.
Mr. Trump didn’t lose to Joe Biden. He lost to himself.
and that is why he MUST not be the candidate in '24
he is damaged goods
like as somewhere I read recently
Hillary was in '16 -
damaged goods
she was so purely hated by too many
she couldn't even win with all her advantages
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"Damaged by the left's hate machine."
- True, but also damaged with self inflicted wounds.
" I am so old, I remember when Reagan was Hitler." [And Bush, McCain and Romney were racist, inoculating Trump.]
- Yes. They HATED Reagan. He outsmarted the Soviet Union, the Republican establishment and the Democrats but he was a dunce. He got the best of his critics when he won 49 states in 1984, including [you name it] Massachusetts, California, Illinois, New York, etc. Hard to imagine now. Then then got him by dragging him down with Iran Contra etc. He got them when he won a third term in the name HW Bush. And they won in the end when they got Bush to break his taxes pledge and lose.
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"Damaged by the left's hate machine. I am so old, I remember when Reagan was Hitler."
Reagan had a normal personality
even if we had tweeting back then he would not have tweeted
foolish childish self aggrandizing gifts to the Left every day so they can attack him every day
Now the Trump is gone the media turns to Ted Cruz who made the unforced political error
of gong to Mexico
so they can take the heat off Cuomo
it used to be - hear what idiotic tweet trump made today
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Looking for that Time Magazine article wherein they brag how they rigged the election.
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Looking for that Time Magazine article wherein they brag how they rigged the election.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
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Thank You
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If only Trump had been meek and mild like Mittens Romney!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYtEuuhFRPA
"Damaged by the left's hate machine. I am so old, I remember when Reagan was Hitler."
Reagan had a normal personality
even if we had tweeting back then he would not have tweeted
foolish childish self aggrandizing gifts to the Left every day so they can attack him every day
Now the Trump is gone the media turns to Ted Cruz who made the unforced political error
of gong to Mexico
so they can take the heat off Cuomo
it used to be - hear what idiotic tweet trump made today
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/huge-arizona-gop-leader-kelli-ward-sounds-alarm-dem-secretary-state-hobbs-sneaking-dem-operatives-biased-nfps-maricopa-county-audit/
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Doug spotted this of potentially of great significance:
https://thehill.com/policy/555459-trump-working-with-gingrich-on-policy-agenda-report?rl=1
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/huge-breaking-news-wisconsin-assembly-votes-withdraw-10-electors-joe-biden-2020-election-video/
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Gee If it wasn't the BIG LIE
Trump pushed
and we dupes fell for no one would have noticed this!
Watch 2000 Mules!
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https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104647454/jan-6-2-000-mules-trump-election
says if you monitor people through cell phones
you will find plenty in urban areas who walk by the drop boxes
yet this this criticism is addressed quite clearly in the movie
So barr is telling us that many many people just happen to show up at multiple locations
where there just happen to be drop boxes
in sequence ......
obviously he ain't going agree with anything that makes him look like the dupe he was.
watch and come to your own conclusion
I read Dinesh is coming out with sequel and knowing Dinesh it will further his case and squash some of these criticism
not of course because it will change any never trumper minds
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Barr wasn't a dupe. Barr was there to protect the interests of the Deep State.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104647454/jan-6-2-000-mules-trump-election
says if you monitor people through cell phones
you will find plenty in urban areas who walk by the drop boxes
yet this this criticism is addressed quite clearly in the movie
So barr is telling us that many many people just happen to show up at multiple locations
where there just happen to be drop boxes
in sequence ......
obviously he ain't going agree with anything that makes him look like the dupe he was.
watch and come to your own conclusion
I read Dinesh is coming out with sequel and knowing Dinesh it will further his case and squash some of these criticism
not of course because it will change any never trumper minds
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Barr says Epstein killed himself.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/bill-barr-lied-foia-requests-reveal-no-doj-investigations-election-fraud-2020-election-bill-barr-claimed-video/
Barr wasn't a dupe. Barr was there to protect the interests of the Deep State.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104647454/jan-6-2-000-mules-trump-election
says if you monitor people through cell phones
you will find plenty in urban areas who walk by the drop boxes
yet this this criticism is addressed quite clearly in the movie
So barr is telling us that many many people just happen to show up at multiple locations
where there just happen to be drop boxes
in sequence ......
obviously he ain't going agree with anything that makes him look like the dupe he was.
watch and come to your own conclusion
I read Dinesh is coming out with sequel and knowing Dinesh it will further his case and squash some of these criticism
not of course because it will change any never trumper minds