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Title: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2021, 11:25:37 AM
WSJ

By Chad Day and Rebecca Ballhaus
Feb. 1, 2021 12:25 am ET

Former President Donald Trump started the year with at least $31 million in cash to wield through his new political-action committee as he seeks to remain the leader of the Republican Party.

The money is in the coffers of Mr. Trump’s newly formed leadership PAC called Save America, which in the weeks after the Nov. 3 election began receiving donations in response to fundraising messages asking for money to overturn his election loss.

The PAC has raised $31.5 million since its formation on Nov. 9, according to filings made Sunday with the Federal Election Commission that cover the period through the end of last year. The PAC’s only expenditures since the election have been a little more than $340,000 in fundraising costs.

The Save America funds will be key to Mr. Trump’s efforts to retain his grip on the Republican Party as he considers running for president again in 2024.

Mr. Trump could use the money to support his preferred candidates or back primary rivals to Republicans he is unhappy with. He has privately expressed interest in unseating the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach him alleging he incited the mob to storm the Capitol on Jan. 6 and prevent Congress from certifying President Biden’s victory.

One of the 10, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R., Ill.) on Sunday launched his own initiative, called Country First, that seeks to rally Republicans who are opposed to Mr. Trump’s brand of politics.

A representative for Mr. Trump didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Trump’s PAC, which has wide legal latitude in its spending, could also finance travel for Mr. Trump and his allies, pay for advertising and be used to keep certain advisers on payroll. Since his presidency ended, he kept a handful of former White House and campaign aides, including press aide Margo Martin and adviser Jason Miller.

Save America is emerging as the former president winds down the various arms of his 2020 reelection effort, which include his campaign and two committees that jointly raise funds with the Republican National Committee.


Separately, the campaign and joint-fundraising committees combined had about $74 million in cash on hand, filings show. About $60 million of that is sitting in an account for one of the joint-fundraising committees that could transfer money to Save America.

The remaining campaign funds have more restricted uses under FEC rules and could be used in the event that Mr. Trump runs for president again or to pay down the 2020 campaign’s $2.7 million in outstanding debts.

After his defeat, Mr. Trump remained a formidable fundraiser, bolstered by dozens of text and email appeals to raise money for his efforts to overturn the election. All told, Mr. Trump and the RNC raised more than $255 million online between Election Day and the end of the year, according to an FEC filing from Republican online donation platform WinRed.

Trump Victory, one of the joint-fundraising committees with the RNC, raked in some major donations in that period. Fresno developer Richard Spencer gave $11,200 on Dec. 2; Utah attorney Douglas Nielson gave $25,000 on Dec. 16; and investor Lee Beaman gave $28,800 on Dec. 2.

The committee also received $25,000 from the National Fraternal Order of Police PAC on Dec. 2.

The campaign’s primary expenses between Nov. 24 and the end of last year, the period covered by the latest FEC filings, were $11.1 million in contribution refunds; $6.5 million in online and text message advertising; another $5.1 million in advertising specifically related to election recounts and $3.4 million in legal fees related to those efforts, according to the records. Among the legal payments was $1 million to Kasowitz, Benson, Torres, the law firm founded by Mr. Trump’s former longtime lawyer, Marc Kasowitz.

The campaign also paid $63,000 to a firm owned by Rudy Giuliani, who spearheaded Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election. Representatives of Mr. Giuliani at one point sought for the campaign to pay him up to $20,000 a day. The campaign shows no other payments to Mr. Giuliani.


Trump Victory gave refunds to some major donors, the records show, including $210,000 to longtime donor and real-estate developer Geoff Palmer; $180,000 to venture capitalist Walter Buckley; and $94,000 to former Facebook executive and virtual-reality pioneer Palmer Luckey.
Title: Citizen Trump on his acquittal
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 14, 2021, 07:15:11 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/read-donald-trumps-full-statement-on-impeachment-trial-acquittal_3695848.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-02-14
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 15, 2021, 07:19:35 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/02/15/trump-rides-through-peaceful-and-patriotic-trump-rally-in-west-palm-beach/
Title: Citizen Trump rejects Nikki Haley
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/18/thursday-evening-dispatch-nikki-haley-donald-trump-2024-andrew-cuomo-ted-cruz/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=recaps&pnespid=i.lhtaZaVwKNgywpLq8BTOxaMsNaYG1aeGEcl7rT
Title: DJT bend over here it comes
Post by: ccp on February 22, 2021, 07:49:33 AM
https://www.dailynews.com/2021/02/22/supreme-court-allows-release-of-trump-tax-returns-to-ny-prosecutor-2/

How fast do we think before it is leaked?

A month ,  a week ,  a day, an hr,  15 seconds?

Does anyone think CNN NYT or WP would not pay big money for this ?

And get the "scoop" and "dirt"

And after it happens does anyone think anyone will go to jail for the leak ?

Title: Citizen Trump on the SCOTUS tax record decision
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 23, 2021, 04:46:14 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/read-trumps-full-response-to-supreme-court-tax-return-decision_3706593.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-02-23
Title: Pompeo at CPAC
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 28, 2021, 01:40:50 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pompeo-touts-success-of-trumps-america-first-foreign-policy-achievements-at-cpac_3713900.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-02-28
Title: Re: Pompeo at CPAC
Post by: DougMacG on March 04, 2021, 09:40:23 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pompeo-touts-success-of-trumps-america-first-foreign-policy-achievements-at-cpac_3713900.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-02-28

I like Pompeo a lot and give him an A+ for content, always.  That said, he looked a little nervous or uncomfortable delivering this type of speech.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2021, 10:01:53 AM
I think he would make an outstanding president, but not a candidate likely to win.
Title: Citizen Trump blasts Biden for spiraling fustercluck at border
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 05, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/05/trump-blasts-biden-for-spiraling-tsunami-at-the-border-in-blistering-statement/
Title: Re: Citizen Trump blasts Biden for spiraling fustercluck at border
Post by: G M on March 05, 2021, 04:24:01 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/05/trump-blasts-biden-for-spiraling-tsunami-at-the-border-in-blistering-statement/

It's not a crisis if it's part of your plan.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 06, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9332069/Trump-supporters-clash-ANTIFA-Trump-Tower-MAGA-fans-unfurl-huge-flag-Pelosi-demon.html
Title: Citizen Trump to launch social media platform
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 21, 2021, 03:25:54 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/21/trump-launch-social-media-platform-will-redefine-g/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=manual&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=f%2BdnBDM1s26F8ZDd8vdz6vC4QHj5FrVhaPFssmnw8x5aabl9KBZCBe%2FrZ9gjWqPV&bt_ts=1616356114170
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 24, 2021, 07:27:08 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-reveals-what-he-wrote-to-biden-in-white-house-note_3745932.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&email=craftydog@earthlink.net&utm_campaign=mb-2021-03-24
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 27, 2021, 07:38:40 AM
Sounded good in an audio interview with Laura Ingraham the other night.  Respect to Laura for politely cutting off the beginning of an election rehash with a reminder that he should have had a strong legal team ready.  That said, overall he sounded good and centered.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-sat-down-with-4-ohio-us-senate-hopefuls-during-fundraiser_3751178.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-03-27

https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/27/trump-considering-visit-us-border/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=0LZg_PlEXQKNfLaTqaDfPGweoRMUnKwZM_QYeuqm
Title: Citizen Trump launches new website
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 31, 2021, 07:01:50 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/trump-launches-new-personal-website_3754717.html?utm_source=morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-03-31&mktids=fe49f386b7eb9e9cb345af51b7d738f6
Title: Citizen Trump: Boycott baseball and woke companies
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 03, 2021, 07:16:48 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/02/donald-trump-boycott-baseball-woke-companies-opposing-georgia-election-law/
Title: Actually, not a bad strategy for him
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 08, 2021, 05:02:54 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/8/trump-relaunch-make-america-great-again-rallies-se/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=wr8hPsvblLm%2BqSra9ALLwUiwl%2BfVx%2BNXEmAjZV1n2dbCKQ0PcV0gRYm4wAn67mk1&bt_ts=1620495214026
Title: arrest of Trump coming
Post by: ccp on May 14, 2021, 08:01:37 AM
https://populist.press/palm-beach-preparing-for-possible-trump-arrest/



with the  blowhards screaming thru their blowhorns
  "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"

they are not even honest enough to include in the sub microscopic print
   (unless you are a Democrat, hahahahha)
Title: Re: arrest of Trump coming
Post by: DougMacG on May 14, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
https://populist.press/palm-beach-preparing-for-possible-trump-arrest/

with the  blowhards screaming thru their blowhorns
  "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"

they are not even honest enough to include in the sub microscopic print
   (unless you are a Democrat, hahahahha)

Reminds me of the arrest of Bill Clinton, the arrest of Hillary Clinton, the arrest of Barack Obama and the arrest of Joe Biden, even the arrest of Hunter Biden.  Never happened.  But there is one difference ...
Title: Citizen Trump's response to criminal investigation
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 20, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-issues-blistering-response-ny-attorney-generals-criminal-investigation-announcement?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-FP&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=2021-05-19&ats_es=%5B-MD5-%5D
Title: wonder what a judge would think of this
Post by: ccp on May 20, 2021, 03:34:21 PM
https://populist.press/ag-investigating-trump-criminally-busted-on-camera/

she actually ran a campaign for a DOJ position to look for a crime on a sitting president and now private citizen

I could only imagine Dershowitz's take as a defense attorney
How bout Andrew McCarthy's opinion from a prosecutor

when does a prosecutor's conduct cross the line?

Title: Prof. Alan Dershowitz read the forum and offers his opinion ie: my question
Post by: ccp on May 29, 2021, 01:23:45 PM
ccp on 5/20/21:

https://populist.press/ag-investigating-trump-criminally-busted-on-camera/

she actually ran a campaign for a DOJ position to look for a crime on a sitting president and now private citizen

I could only imagine Dershowitz's take as a defense attorney
How bout Andrew McCarthy's opinion from a prosecutor

when does a prosecutor's conduct cross the line?
https://populist.press/ag-investigating-trump-criminally-busted-on-camera/

she actually ran a campaign for a DOJ position to look for a crime on a sitting president and now private citizen

I could only imagine Dershowitz's take as a defense attorney
How bout Andrew McCarthy's opinion from a prosecutor

when does a prosecutor's conduct cross the line?

Prof Dershowitz responds  :-D :wink:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dershowitz-newsmax-trump-newyork/2021/05/29/id/1023195/

waiting for Andrew McCarthy's opinion as a prosecutor now we have defense lawyers opinion.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 29, 2021, 07:17:54 PM
Andy McCarthy is a deep state shill. Zero credibility in my book.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 29, 2021, 08:04:51 PM
Don't know why you are so hard on him.  He wrote a lot of high quality legal analysis during the Russia fraud against Trump and much more.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 29, 2021, 09:20:11 PM
Don't know why you are so hard on him.  He wrote a lot of high quality legal analysis during the Russia fraud against Trump and much more.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=211011

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/andy-mccarthy-dismisses-trump-slamming-fbi-doj-over-election-claims-cases-are-being-thrown-out-because-theres-no-proof/ar-BB1bvilm
Title: Speaker of the House Trump?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 31, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/05/30/the-gamechanger-from-my-exclusive-interview-with-former-president-donald-j-trump-n2590183
Title: Barr ignored Trump’s orders, protected Antifa
Post by: G M on June 03, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/revealed-bill-barr-chris-wray-worked-block-trumps-efforts-go-antifa-video/

I can’t wait for Andy McCarthy’s National Review article defending this....
Title: Citizen Trump on CRT
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 19, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/a-plan-to-get-divisive-radical-theories-out-of-our-schools_3864977.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-06-19&mktids=039af16e1b036edcdfda3bac9f3b78d2&est=EkrNBjpHruL3RROW%2B68GaF7UrAnE%2BPEzaYUbmcuZxaHCK%2BMnjec5n9wvUgb2gNbZWGo6
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 22, 2021, 05:18:35 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/22/trump-says-its-up-to-the-public-to-decide-whether-hes-reinstated-if-election-audits-prove-massive-fraud/
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 30, 2021, 07:03:28 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/newsmax-fox-news-trump-viewers/2021/06/29/id/1026867/
Title: Citizen Trump: I built the wall
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 30, 2021, 11:13:47 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/30/donald-trump-i-built-the-wall-biden-built-a-humani/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=6rQMchzNElW5Qx6yu30uxt7AhvR3OaYo9losuiHnSSStobYf1OwxBs1RjAB2Bpup&bt_ts=1625065133376
Title: Citizen Trump's class action suits against FB and Twitter
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 07, 2021, 05:44:20 PM


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9765073/Trump-announce-class-action-lawsuits-today-against-Facebook-Twitter.html
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 11, 2021, 09:48:19 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/11/trump-cpac-speech-faults-facebook-twitter-meddling/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=ri%2B7r6KD1OpbB9DHlRZh8Yk7XgKDVejmoTDPwVAGbngDg%2BjjLIgjmwO4dNKsKhNb&bt_ts=1626052583741
Title: WSJ: Citizen Trump can win his suit against the Goolag
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 12, 2021, 08:25:37 AM
The media has panned Donald Trump’s First Amendment lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter and YouTube: “sure to fail,” “as stupid as you’d think,” “ridiculous.” Mr. Trump’s complaint omits important precedents, facts and claims for relief, but there’s a strong case to be made that social-media censorship violates the Constitution. If his lawyers do better in court than in their initial filing, Mr. Trump can win.

It’s true that the First Amendment ordinarily applies to the government rather than private companies. But the central claim in Mr. Trump’s class-action lawsuit—that the defendants should be treated as state actors and are bound by the First Amendment when they engage in selective political censorship—has precedent to back it up. Their censorship constitutes state action because the government granted them immunity from legal liability, threatened to punish them if they allow disfavored speech, and colluded with them in choosing targets for censorship.

The Supreme Court held in Norwood v. Harrison (1973) that the government “may not induce, encourage, or promote private persons to accomplish what it is constitutionally forbidden to accomplish.” As Jed Rubenfeld and I argued in these pages in January, that’s what Congress did by passing Section 230(c)(2) of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which permits tech companies to censor constitutionally protected speech and immunizes them from state liability if they do so.

The high court has repeatedly held that federal immunity pre-empting state law can transform a private party’s conduct into state action subject to constitutional scrutiny. In Railway Employees’ Department v. Hanson (1956), the justices found state action in union-employer agreements because Congress had passed a statute immunizing such agreements from liability under state law. In Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives Association (1989), the court again found state action in a private company’s conduct because federal laws immunized companies from liability if they tested employees for drugs.

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Prominent congressional Democrats have also issued severe, explicit and repeated threats to retaliate against social-media giants if they fail to remove “hate speech” and “misinformation” that the government can’t directly censor under the Constitution. These threats have worked.

In an October 2020 hearing, as Mr. Trump’s lawsuits note, Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut told CEOs Jack Dorsey of Twitter and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook: “The president has used this microphone to spread vicious falsehoods and apparent attempt to overturn the will of the voters.” In the same hearing, he threatened “a breakup of the tech giants” and “Section 230 reform,” including “possible repeal.” Mr. Zuckerberg has called such regulations an “existential threat” to Facebook. In January both sites banned Mr. Trump.

The Supreme Court held in Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963) that the First Amendment was violated when a private bookstore stopped selling works after officials deemed them “objectionable” and threatened prosecution. In Carlin Communications v. Mountain States Telephone & Telegraph Co. (1987), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that a telephone company was acting as a state agent when it acceded to government threats to stop carrying offensive content on paid dial-in lines.


Even if Messrs. Zuckerberg and Dorsey didn’t fear these government threats, the Second Circuit held in Hammerhead Enterprises v. Brezenoff (1983) that if government officials’ comments “can be reasonably interpreted as intimating that some form of punishment or adverse regulatory action will follow the failure to accede to the official’s request,” that’s enough to constitute state action. The Ninth Circuit has held that it doesn’t matter if the threats were the “real motivating force” behind the private party’s conduct.

A growing body of evidence suggests that social media companies have voluntarily worked with Democratic officials to censor content the latter disfavor. In Brentwood Academy v. Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association (2001), the high court held that state action exists if the private party’s conduct results from “significant encouragement, either overt or covert,” or if the private party is a “willful participant in joint activity with the State or its agents.”

According to allegations in other pending lawsuits, Twitter formed “trusted partner” relationships with state officials to remove content identified by the officials as election misinformation—when in reality the content was simply critical of state policies.

In September 2020 Mr. Zuckerberg acknowledged that Facebook “works with” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to remove Covid-related content. The company’s official policy states that it is “advised” by public-health authorities about what Covid content should be blocked. For months, while officials including Anthony Fauci proclaimed that the Wuhan lab-leak theory was “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory,” Facebook blocked any mention of that theory as “misinformation.”

But after Dr. Fauci and the administration retreated from this position, Facebook almost immediately lifted its ban. Recently published email exchanges between Mr. Zuckerberg and Dr. Fauci reveal no evidence of direct instruction from the government on this point but make a case for Facebook’s willful participation in a joint activity with the government.

Mr. Trump’s lawsuits don’t go as far as they could have in establishing a pattern of willful participation, but their discovery phase will almost surely reveal additional examples. Social-media companies are privately owned, but when they collude with officials to block disfavored content, they are serving as the government’s censorship bureau and must answer to the First Amendment.


Mr. Trump has another path to legal victory even if he loses on the state-action claim. State legislatures, most recently in Florida, have begun to impose nondiscrimination and common-carrier requirements on Big Tech platforms. Opponents say these laws violate the companies’ First Amendment rights. But if so, how could similar nondiscrimination laws have been imposed for decades on telephone companies? Opponents also say these laws are pre-empted by Section 230. But as Justice Clarence Thomas observed in his concurrence in Biden v. Knight First Amendment Institute, Section 230 is arguably unconstitutional if interpreted to pre-empt state laws against viewpoint discrimination. Mr. Trump failed to assert this claim under Florida law, though he could amend his complaint before trial to do so.

Mr. Trump’s critics are mistaken to think the claims he raises are completely novel. But the case is unprecedented in another way—the staggering scale of Big Tech’s power to restrict speech. No company in U.S. history has so comprehensively silenced elected officials or prevented them from communicating with citizens. Worse, they did so at the behest of, and in careful coordination with, government leaders in the ascendant opposition party as it gained power.

In 1924 Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover warned against the concentration of corporate power in the radio industry: “We cannot allow any single person or group to place themselves in a position where they can censor the material which shall be broadcasted to the public.” Almost a century later, the danger he foretold has been realized. Mr. Trump’s case provides an opportunity to address it.

Mr. Ramaswamy is author of “Woke Inc.: Inside Corporate America’s Social Justice Scam.”

Title: Move on from Trump or lose?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 17, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/the-latest-stolen-election-stunts-lesson-move-on-from-trump-or-lose/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Saturday%20New%202021-07-17&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Title: Re: Move on from Trump or lose?
Post by: G M on July 17, 2021, 07:27:07 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/the-latest-stolen-election-stunts-lesson-move-on-from-trump-or-lose/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Saturday%20New%202021-07-17&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart

Deep State Andy pushing the Deep State line of bullshit.

As usual.
Title: Citizen Trump on the Filibuster
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 19, 2021, 01:08:54 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-labels-mcconnell-a-stupid-person-for-refusing-to-eliminate-filibuster/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=News-Roundup20210719New%20Campaign&utm_term=NewsRoundup-Smart
Title: I'm guessing respect for Bolton declined too
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 23, 2021, 04:14:11 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/19/john-bolton-touts-polls-showing-donald-trumps-base/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=dive_deeper&utm_term=newsletter&bt_ee=wDWXMeZdJeghYh561oI9mwE35ry2bBIP7tKL4xPpSaxQtMMX6FdK5LbFKgJSTrr2&bt_ts=1627062914723
Title: If true, not a stupid idea
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 18, 2021, 07:03:32 PM
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/
Title: Re: If true, not a stupid idea
Post by: DougMacG on August 19, 2021, 08:07:25 AM
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

Public statements are how you talk to your enemy, Putin, China, Mullahs of Iran, Kim Jung Un and Taliban, not where you divulge your actual plans.  To not know that, especially about Donald Trump, is beyond belief. 

Blaming this on Obama, on Trump, on the Afghans while 'taking responsibility' is the blathering of a failed man and failed administration.

The 'meme' about Taiwan is eerily true and China and every adversary knows it.

The Leftist media helped Reagan, Bush Cheney, Trump win peace by calling Republican Presidents into warmongers.  Peace through the deterrence of tyrants is the only real peace.  Truman couldn't buy that kind of fear bombing a city.

From an adversary point of view, the people here who 'know' Trump for example, the American press, think he can't be trusted with the nuclear codes because he might bomb an enemy over a misunderstanding.  That keeps misunderstandings to a minimum.  One or two acts of strength validate the perception, firing air traffic controllers, invading Grenada, killing Soleimani.  Trump's first call during transition was to Taiwan.  A gaffe?  Those things are noticed by (Brezhnev), Putin, Kim, Xi and Khairullah Khairkhwa and reinforce the perception of strength.  With Biden they see nothing but weakness, the masks, hiding in basements, couldn't even pick his own VP, and retreat policy overseas - right in the middle of the 'fighting season'.  Only question remaining, what will go wrong next.
Title: trump's announced pull out a ruse
Post by: ccp on August 19, 2021, 09:12:57 AM
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

"if true"

frankly I do not believe it
Trump wanted to pull all us forces out of Syria against all military advise
as a known example to the contrary


Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 19, 2021, 01:51:29 PM
Don't we still have troops there?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 19, 2021, 02:38:53 PM
  I think so

 I recall Trump wanted *all of them* out against all military advice.
  Did not one general later admit he jockeyed things around so some would be there?

I don't have time to look up now.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 19, 2021, 03:30:38 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/04/the-realists-are-wrong-about-syria/

I frankly do not buy Trump was fainting to get the Afghan leadership
out when he wanted to pull out of Afghanistan

Trump is blunt
does not play games like that in MHO
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 19, 2021, 06:32:35 PM
I'm thinking he is one seriously devious fk in strategy and negotiations.  He is very Boydian, he gets inside people's OODA loops.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump: "Everything Woke turns to sh*t"
Post by: DougMacG on August 24, 2021, 05:57:15 AM
https://spectator.org/everything-woke-turns-to-shit/
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 24, 2021, 04:51:34 PM
 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1430283220294189060
Title: Conrad Black: Miss Trump yet?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 31, 2021, 06:40:14 AM
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-evicting-donald-trump-was-clearly-a-catastrophe
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 22, 2021, 05:03:20 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/trump-announces-launch-of-social-media-app_4060417.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-10-22&mktids=8f2917eb8209fa7a6955b10c86ca3dab&est=C5xXjFb%2BCTJ8QRDnEPdZsuIZZ0p4MuB3yseBwA1tJ6f3G92NTd%2B3oru07yZKW7iqGfK1 :mrgreen:
Title: VDH -> where does Trump go from here?
Post by: ccp on November 05, 2021, 04:11:23 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/03/trump-nearing-the-crossroads/

VDH did read my email to him!

 :wink:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 05, 2021, 05:37:07 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: VDH -> where does Trump go from here?
Post by: G M on November 05, 2021, 05:49:24 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/03/trump-nearing-the-crossroads/

VDH did read my email to him!

 :wink:

"Open borders, huge deficits, the Afghanistan catastrophe, looming stagflation, empty shelves, bottlenecked ports, soaring energy prices, toxic critical race theory, the disastrous previews of the Green New Deal, a weaponized federal government, and the addled decline of Biden himself have done more than just collapse support for the president and his policies."

Well written line!
Title: Speaker Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 10, 2021, 10:00:06 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10289793/Gaetz-says-talking-Trump-making-House-speaker-years-midterms.html
Title: trump to netanyahu "f u"
Post by: ccp on December 10, 2021, 03:51:58 PM
more moronic stuff from Trump because he was insulted :

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/netanyahu-israel-trump-biden/2021/12/10/id/1048211/

netanyahu is not your stooge , stooge
Title: Trump. comments on Jews Israel etc
Post by: ccp on December 18, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bandies-anti-semitic-tropes-224031396.html

as a Jew I am not offended by these statements at all.
I only wonder if the Democrat Jews hate Israel as much as they hate America

Jews do not control the world
but anyone with half a  brain can see we do have an enormous clout in our politics
financial  sector and in corporate media sectors etc

much more then would be expected for 2.4% of the total US population






 
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 18, 2021, 12:03:59 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on December 18, 2021, 12:22:46 PM
and certainly in our legal area
too

be a doctor or lawyer was the creed !
Title: Re: Trump. comments on Jews Israel etc
Post by: DougMacG on December 18, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bandies-anti-semitic-tropes-224031396.html

as a Jew I am not offended by these statements at all.
I only wonder if the Democrat Jews hate Israel as much as they hate America

Jews do not control the world
but anyone with half a  brain can see we do have an enormous clout in our politics
financial  sector and in corporate media sectors etc

much more then would be expected for 2.4% of the total US population

Also agree.  It's not anti-semitism; he's making a valid political observation.  It's the columnist who is making an accusatory  opinion under the heading of "news".

They have risen to levels in important industries higher than "then would be expected for 2.4% of the total US population"...

  - Isn't that a compliment?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on December 19, 2021, 08:06:17 AM
".They have risen to levels in important industries higher than "then would be expected for 2.4% of the total US population"...

  - Isn't that a compliment? "

Absolutely, but I would feel better about it if most of those were not crazy rabid Democrat partisans.

The of the most viscous political conivers are many fellows in my group.



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 19, 2021, 08:49:34 AM
Caught him on Bartiromo this morning. 

Good.
Title: America and the World need an American President who says THIS
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 19, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/19/trump-demands-china-pay-60t-reparations-pandemic/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=m7Q3%2BpQe5Jh%2BZVrQRB0GfJpO7lQX%2F4xLhjKOc5Ybj3tmX%2BjcD%2B94HCfKig3zGJbR&bt_ts=1639932234942
Title: Re: America and the World need an American President who says THIS
Post by: DougMacG on December 20, 2021, 08:35:01 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/19/trump-demands-china-pay-60t-reparations-pandemic/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=m7Q3%2BpQe5Jh%2BZVrQRB0GfJpO7lQX%2F4xLhjKOc5Ybj3tmX%2BjcD%2B94HCfKig3zGJbR&bt_ts=1639932234942

Yet the current occupant doesn't even point out the obvious.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 20, 2021, 02:20:49 PM
That is what happens with the compromised.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on December 20, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
it really is UNBELIEVABLE to think
one of the great pandemics

was "man made"
in a lab

No surprise China would cover it us the liars they are.

We are told labs all around the world are doing the same kind of research ..........  :-o

And Fauci who said such lab work is worth the risk
  now denies all of it.

If we can't trust our own front medical man on this who can we trust ?

We know China will exterminate anyone along with their family if the speak the truth.


Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on December 20, 2021, 06:29:48 PM
"man made" in a lab

  - Let's call the release an accident, but they closed off Wuhan, Hubei to the rest of China but let the virus travel to the rest of the world.

"Fauci who said such lab work is worth the risk
  now denies all of it."

  - He told us a mask won't help before he told us to double mask.  Now he IS science.  Meanwhile our $6 trillion government gives us us thousands each in dollars but not one good mask. Which one solves the problem, money in your pocket or an N95 over your face?  Count on them to do whatever is wrong.
Title: MY not a fan
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 21, 2021, 04:30:42 AM
https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/1447192/trump-pushes-experimental-drugs-pretends-he-saved-the-world
Title: Rove: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 23, 2021, 09:30:41 AM
Complete and Total Trump Campaign!
The former president’s obsession with the 2020 election may lead to GOP losses in the next two.
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President Trump has formally endorsed 85 Republican candidates so far this year, probably far more than any other president so soon after leaving office. He’s backed incumbents, primary challengers and candidates in open races for everything from the Senate and House down to state representatives and even a small-town mayor’s office, often with statements offering his “Complete and Total Endorsement!”

Mr. Trump is likely doing this to maintain his hold over the GOP and keep open the possibility of a 2024 White House run. He also gets to enjoy a steady stream of supplicants arriving at his Mar-a-Lago estate or Bedminster, N.J., golf course to seek his backing.

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Some recipients of his endorsements are Trump populists. Others are more-traditional Republicans, a few of whom didn’t seek his affirmation and learned about it from Twitter. Many are in strong GOP districts or states and lack serious Democratic opposition, leaving the impression that Mr. Trump wants to pad his win-loss record.

Settling scores is a high priority for the former president. Ohio Rep. Anthony Gonzalez supported Mr. Trump’s impeachment following the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. Mr. Trump endorsed his primary opponent, a Trump White House staffer named Max Miller, and Mr. Gonzalez subsequently announced he wouldn’t run in 2022. The Ohio Legislature then cut up the seat in redistricting, putting Mr. Miller in a Democratic-leaning district. Mr. Trump is backing primary opponents to other Republican House members who supported his impeachment, but that hasn’t led to any other withdrawals so far.

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That may be because Mr. Trump’s endorsement is hardly a guarantee of an election victory for his chosen candidate. Take two cases earlier this year. The former president endorsed a Republican in a Texas special congressional election, Susan Wright, who lost in July to another Republican, state Rep. Jake Ellzey. In the Pennsylvania Senate GOP primary, Mr. Trump’s endorsed candidate, Sean Parnell, ended his campaign in November after losing a child-custody case in which his former wife alleged he abused her and their children.


More primary defeats may be coming for Trump-backed candidates. In the Alabama Senate GOP primary, Mr. Trump endorsed Rep. Mo Brooks, who has failed to ignite much enthusiasm. Mr. Brooks’s opponent, former Business Council of Alabama president and ex-Senate aide Katie Britt, has outraised and outcampaigned him and is supported by the state’s powerful Alabama Farmers Federation. Mr. Trump was reportedly impressed when he met Ms. Britt and her husband, former New England Patriots offensive tackle Wesley Britt, at an August rally in Alabama, causing him to question his decision to back Mr. Brooks. The latest poll has Mr. Brooks at 31% and Ms. Britt at 26%, pointing toward a runoff.

Still, Mr. Trump’s political sway won’t be measured only in primary victories but also in how many of his favorites fare in general elections in swing states and competitive districts. All these candidates face a critical choice: Should they focus on Mr. Trump’s claims that the 2020 election was stolen to protect their endorsement? Or should they make their race about providing a check on President Biden and risk incurring Mr. Trump’s wrath?

This question faces dozens of Republican candidates in Senate, House and gubernatorial races, but the clearest test of Mr. Trump’s message will be races for secretary of state in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan. He backs candidates who are making the alleged theft of the 2020 election their main issue. Is this smart? A Public Religion Research Institute poll from November suggests it isn’t. Its results show that 31% of Republicans, 72% of independents, and 92% of Democrats—and 67% of the overall electorate—rightly don’t believe the 2020 election was stolen. These three secretary of state contests will show the strength of Mr. Trump’s possible 2024 messaging.

Where many politicians are parsimonious about endorsements, carefully weighing the risks and rewards of tying their brand to the fortunes of lesser-known candidates, Mr. Trump has defied convention. His endorsement seems often to depend on how vocally a candidate is willing to support his claim that the 2020 election was stolen through widespread fraud, and not so much on a candidate’s viability. This leaves Mr. Trump backing candidates who will likely falter in the general election.


In his business career, Mr. Trump put his name on everything from steaks to menswear to vodka, with mixed results. Now he risks more than diluting his personal brand. Mr. Trump could help some Democrats hang on in an otherwise devastating election cycle in 2022 by forcing their opponents to harangue voters about an unpopular topic. If the GOP can’t learn to shake the Trump obsession with alleged election fraud, the former president could even hand Democrats the White House—again.

Mr. Rove helped organize the political-action committee American Crossroads and is author of “The Triumph of William McKinley” (Simon & Schuster, 2015)
Title: Truth to this?:Trump came out in support of vaccines after compliment from Biden
Post by: ccp on December 24, 2021, 05:54:26 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-surgeon-general-suggests-former-101700122.html

certainly plausible.........
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 24, 2021, 09:49:43 AM
Nah, as Michael Yon has pointed out prior to Biden shout out, he has been making these noises all along.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on December 24, 2021, 11:19:14 AM
The vaccines were his only covid era accomplishment, and he is nothing if not a proud man. 

The Abraham Accords were in 2020 as well, but the work for that was done earlier.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 24, 2021, 06:12:36 PM
"The Abraham Accords were in 2020 as well, but the work for that was done earlier."

You saying Obama-Biden get credit here?!?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on December 24, 2021, 07:02:31 PM
"The Abraham Accords were in 2020 as well, but the work for that was done earlier."

You saying Obama-Biden get credit here?!?
.

No.  Jared Kushner and Trump definitely did this along with the other parties. Just saying almost nothing got done once covid hit.  My guess is the ground work for this was done in the first 3 years.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 25, 2021, 01:58:12 AM
Ah.
Title: Citizen Trump wins two lawsuits
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 06, 2022, 12:19:40 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-wins-former-president-victorious-two-major-nyc-lawsuits/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2022-01-02&utm_campaign=evergreen
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 23, 2022, 12:13:36 PM
https://rumble.com/vspnhd-trump-summarizes-bidens-disastrous-first-year.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR36nDE6CWihhOd5pMgV7_VvLB_OYi9c6ohqZPORnbeyW6FPhYE_U9oJvBY
Title: Citizen Trump building huge war chest
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 02, 2022, 03:17:31 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/1/trump-groups-rake-campaign-cash-former-president-r/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=rRCWVGZEyU9bjQXM1EjblulaUeSVZADkqrgwuQzehqnRfzF%2FT8IVYCt97QiFXTtK&bt_ts=1643800015165
Title: Kilmeade hits Citizen Trump over AZ claims
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 07, 2022, 09:08:34 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-host-brian-kilmeade-hits-trump-on-arizona-election-claim-that-s-an-outright-lie/ar-AATAo6u?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Kilmeade hits Citizen Trump over AZ claims
Post by: G M on February 07, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-host-brian-kilmeade-hits-trump-on-arizona-election-claim-that-s-an-outright-lie/ar-AATAo6u?ocid=msedgntp

BS. Plenty of evidence that Trump won AZ.

People don't care about the 2020 fraud? BS!
Title: phone call records disappear?
Post by: ccp on February 11, 2022, 11:38:03 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-records-obtained-jan-195326169.html
Title: POTP: Trump's classified records
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 12, 2022, 11:11:40 PM
A lot of cheap shots, misdirect, and anonymous accusations by highly partisan actors here presented as fact, but somehow one suspects some of it to be true.

Where were these people during Hillary's reign?

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15 boxes: Inside the long, strange trip of Trump’s classified records
The journey underscores how defiantly and indiscriminately Trump violated the Presidential Records Act
Congress to investigate Trump's handling of White House records
The House Oversight Committee announced on Feb. 10 that it will investigate the Trump administration's handling of White House documents. (Reuters)
By Ashley Parker, Jacqueline Alemany, Josh Dawsey and Tom Hamburger
Today at 11:42 a.m. EST



For the 15 boxes of documents — some classified and marked “top secret” — the long journey from former president Donald Trump’s gilded Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach, Fla., to a secure facility in the Washington area began last summer, when the National Archives and Records Administration contacted Trump’s team to alert it that some high-profile documents from his presidency appeared to be missing.

But it was not until the end of the year that the boxes were finally readied for collection, according to two people familiar with the logistics, one of whom described the ordeal as “a bit of a process.”

At one point, Archives officials threatened that if Trump’s team did not voluntarily produce the materials, they would send a letter to Congress or the Justice Department revealing the lack of cooperation, according to a third person familiar with the situation.

“At first it was unclear what he was going to give back and when,” said one of these people, who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to share candid details of a sensitive situation.

Trump was noticeably secretive about the packing process, and top aides and longtime administrative staffers did not see the contents, the people said.

Finally, on Jan. 17, a contractor dispatched by the Archives arrived at Mar-a-Lago to load the boxes into a truck and transport them a thousand miles north, eventually landing at a sensitive compartmented information facility — known as a SCIF — in the greater Washington area. Trump’s assistant had been looped in on the emails handling the logistics, and both Trump’s team and the National Archives described the in-person handover as amicable. Trump said in a statement it was “without conflict” and “very friendly.”


“This unfortunate attempt by the media to twist a story, along with the help of anonymous sources, is just another sensationalized distraction of an otherwise uneventful effort to persevere the legacy of President Trump and a good faith effort to ensure the fulfillment of the Presidential Records Act,” Trump spokesman Taylor Budowich said in a statement Saturday. “Sadly, the business of ‘news’ has become reliant on the next manufactured Trump ‘investigation,’ and so here we are. It’s a disgrace.”

The tale of these 15 boxes — and the material contained within — underscores how defiantly and indiscriminately Trump violated the records law, which requires that the White House preserve all written communication related to a president’s official duties and then turn it over to the National Archives. Instead, starting in his presidency and continuing into his post-presidency, documents both classified and mundane — as well as official gifts, which are governed by similarly stringent rules — were treated with the same disregard and enveloped in the same chaos that characterized his term in office.

A trucking administrator at Bennett, a Georgia transportation firm that handles a lot of government contracts, said that under traditional circumstances, shipment of these sorts of materials would be handled through a secure transfer — including GPS tracking of the vehicle and a team trained to handle sensitive information.


But it remains unclear what protocols were followed because, as one person familiar with the transfer said, “Nothing about this is normal.” Officials have not identified what company handled the Mar-a-Lago shipment.

“He would roll his eyes at the rules, so we did, too,” said Stephanie Grisham, the former Trump White House press secretary who has become an outspoken Trump critic since the Jan. 6 insurrection on the U.S. Capitol. “We weren’t going to get in trouble because he’s the president of the United States.”

Grisham, the author of “I’ll Take Your Questions Now: What I Saw at the Trump White House,” recalled one instance in which she expressed concern about violating the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from engaging in some forms of political activity. Grisham said that Trump told her: “Who’s the boss of the Hatch Act? It’s me. So say whatever you want.”


That cavalier attitude about the rules extended to Trump’s treatment of documents, which he routinely ripped up and threw away, forcing aides to retrieve them and send them to the White House Office of Records Management to be taped back together to comply with the Presidential Records Act, which dates to 1978.

'He never stopped ripping things up': Inside Trump's relentless document destruction habits

Trump had a ripping process so distinctive that several aides instantly recalled it — two large, clean tears that left paper in quarters — and the remnants were strewn on desks, in trash cans and on floors, from the Oval Office to Air Force One. As president, Trump also regularly retired to his private residence with reams of official documents, often leaving them to pile up until records staff came searching for them.


Boxes sit in a truck outside the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House complex on Jan. 14, 2021. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
When the Archives sent a tranche of documents to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection, some of them had been ripped up and taped back together. And some no longer existed at all; when the committee requested certain documents focused on Trump’s campaign to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election results, some of the relevant materials had already been shredded, according to a former senior administration official.


A forthcoming book by New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman also reports that while Trump was president, White House residence staff members from time to time found clumps of paper clogging a toilet, leading them to believe that Trump was flushing documents.

Trump was warned by his first two chiefs of staff — Reince Priebus and John F. Kelly — about complying with the records act, as well as by Donald McGahn, his White House counsel.

And in 2020, when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) ripped up a copy of Trump’s State of the Union address after he delivered it, Trump seemed to exhibit at least some awareness of the Presidential Records Act, incorrectly claiming Pelosi had committed a crime.

“I thought it was a terrible thing when she ripped up the speech,” Trump said at the time. “First of all, it’s an official document. You’re not allowed. It’s illegal what she did. She broke the law.”


This past week, The Washington Post reported that Archives officials — suspecting that Trump may have violated laws dealing with the handling of government documents — asked the Justice Department to examine the issue. It is unclear whether the department will launch a full investigation, but the query prompted discussions between federal law enforcement officials about whether they should investigate Trump for a possible crime, though such a prosecution would face a high legal bar.

Trump’s haphazard treatment of documents, including sensitive ones, continued throughout his administration, right up until his frenzied and begrudging departure.


Workers cart boxes into the West Wing of the White House, as offices in the White House complex are being packed up and moved out on Jan. 15, 2021. (Gerald Herbert/AP)
Trump — who spent the weeks after Election Day furiously working to overturn the results of a free and fair election — procrastinated packing to leave until the very last minute. His obsession with falsely claiming the election was stolen also made his staff reluctant to broach the question of packing, fearful that doing so would draw his ire, said one former White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share details of private conversations.


Ultimately, Trump arrived at Mar-a-Lago with the array of documents and other items that should have been turned over to the Archives. In a statement, the Archives said Trump’s representatives have said they are “continuing to search” for documents that belong to the government.

As Trump settled into his post-presidency, officials from the Archives realized that they had never received certain prominent documents from his White House — some of them totems of the many scandals and controversies that clouded his four years in office.

Trump's troubles on the record-keeping front are getting thornier

Among the gifts, mementos and papers that were sent back: correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, which Trump had once touted as “love letters”; a letter that President Barack Obama left for Trump, part of an Inauguration Day tradition in which the outgoing president leaves a warm missive for his successor; and a National Weather Service map of Hurricane Dorian, which Trump had altered with a black Sharpie in a widely mocked attempt to claim he had not been wrong about the storm’s path.


Grisham said she believes that Trump deliberately kept certain keepsakes, regardless of the Presidential Records Act. “He was beyond proud of those Kim Jong Un letters,” she said. “He talked about them all the time, showed them to people all the time. He took those letters because he wanted them.”

Trump also brought with him to Mar-a-Lago a number of gifts he had received while president — a concern aides had flagged in the final weeks of his administration, because gift rules dictate that most such presents also need to be given to the Archives.

A model of an Air Force One redesign he had proposed — repainting the baby-blue plane with in bold hues of red, white and blue — now sits on a coffee table in the middle of his members-only club’s sumptuous lobby room.

In his private Mar-a-Lago office, Trump has displayed a miniature version of one of the black slats from the wall he promised to build at the nation’s southern border, and which became a rallying cry for him and his conservative base.


President Donald Trump holds up a letter purportedly from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as he leads a meeting of his Cabinet on Jan. 2, 2019. (Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Also hanging there is a high-quality laser print of “The Republican Club” by artist Andy Thomas, which depicts a trim-looking Trump — clad in his signature red tie and drinking a Diet Coke — chatting with former Republican presidents. The painting was given to him by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and previously hung in the West Wing. On a different part of the wall is another large photo — of Marine One hovering in front of Mount Rushmore, when the former president visited there to celebrate the Fourth of July — that previously hung in the hallway of the West Wing.

“The Clintons had to return gifts, and there were lots of presidents who didn’t write anything down, or who didn’t keep emails, but I don’t know of a story since 1978 of a president leaving with this much material,” said Julian Zelizer, a presidential historian at Princeton University. “I can’t give you someone worse than Trump.”

With the boxes’ journey coming to a close, Trump advisers have scrambled to do damage control. They have asked the Archives to dispute the spate of recent reporting on the myriad ways Trump ignored the Presidential Records Act and to declare that Trump has done nothing wrong, according to two people familiar with the entreaties, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share details of private discussions.

But so far, the Archives has declined.

“We pursue the return of records — Presidential or federal — whenever we learn that records have been improperly removed or have not been appropriately transferred to official accounts,” Archivist of the United States David S. Ferriero wrote in a note to employees this past week. “ … Whether through the creation of adequate and proper documentation, sound records management practices, the preservation of records, or their timely transfer to the National Archives at the end of an administration, there should be no question as to the need for both diligence and vigilance.”

Matt Zapotosky and Alice Crites contributed to this report
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 14, 2022, 04:42:30 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-us-tinderbox-trucker-protests-damage-canada-2022-2?fbclid=IwAR38GRH5IauaO6NsLl_9uQCiQPxws5AvLMeb1eIer9qXRoANupDGxOC3mL4
Title: This does not sound good , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 15, 2022, 01:54:08 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-accounting-firm-mazars-usa-recants-financial-statements/?fbclid=IwAR2LotzJzIiH-whvdUyO4NbP6e6MzyqtcMt-uSnr-xdrJFJq3kGamVuWvDw

Or can this be seen as abandoning ship in the face of a legal lynching headed Trump's way?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on February 15, 2022, 06:10:14 AM
"Or can this be seen as abandoning ship in the face of a legal lynching headed Trump's way?"

i wonder the same

Is it not just a wee bit curious the day after announcements about Hillary campaign paying to commit espionage on Trump this comes out.

It is though the prosecutors determined to do something fast to put this out in public so the MSM can run with this as headlines
and continue to ignore the Hillary corruptions story

Hard to believe this is just a fortunate coincidence
especially seeing how JURNO/LAWYER LISTERS work.
Title: Bragg skeptical about case against Trump
Post by: ccp on February 23, 2022, 02:48:51 PM
this story may not make it onto the CNN news cable platform tonight

if it does there will be a lot of sour faces:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics/manhattan-district-attorney-prosecutors-resign-trump-organization/index.html

I want to see Erin Burnett making faces
or how about Wolf looking so stern
or John Berman
or Jake Tapper
or Gloria Barger

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 23, 2022, 02:51:24 PM
For those inside the game, that is a very significant development.
Title: Barr
Post by: ccp on February 27, 2022, 07:00:40 AM
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/bill-barr-reportedly-burns-his-bridges-in-scathing-tell-all-sounds-off-on-trumps-erratic-personal-behavior-and-pettiness/

"“The election was not ‘stolen,’” Barr wrote. “Trump lost it.”

I don't agree
but it was too late to do much about the election
the 1/6 thing was a waste of time and just gave fodder to the LEFT

"“One Damn Thing After Another”

This is definitely something I agree with .  And time to move on is very true for me.
Title: Citizen Trump's Virtues
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 04, 2022, 03:09:32 PM
https://americanmind.org/salvo/trumps-virtues/?utm_campaign=American%20Mind%20Email%20Warm%20Up&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=205720555&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_MFs5rint76a9yPZwCO8gyNMIGH-b7BBidfYH2uMN1jhtkMqhrjU4hY8Ud-1fpBZhDz1nZinwLsY9NGcjFuPvs7Vfghw&utm_content=205720555&utm_source=hs_email
Title: Pence thinking of '24
Post by: ccp on March 09, 2022, 03:08:52 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/is-mike-pence-preparing-a-kamikaze-campaign/

there is no precedence in my life time for so many people from a president's  administration  and speaking out about the ex pres.


it is a parade

no it is not simply "mean tweets..."



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 09, 2022, 04:28:29 PM
He sure burnt a lot of bridges in his relationships with people who worked for him , , ,
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on March 09, 2022, 04:43:38 PM
He sure burnt a lot of bridges in his relationships with people who worked for him , , ,

Pence burnt them all in one day.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 09, 2022, 04:47:39 PM
Pence has not a prayer haha.

He is too Beta.  He lacks what it takes to swim in the pirana (sp?) infested waters of American identity politics.

Still, the list of people who used to work for Trump and now turn on him is unnecessarily long.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on March 09, 2022, 04:50:08 PM
How many were turncoats before day one? Like Bill Barr, as an example.

Pence has not a prayer haha.

He is too Beta.  He lacks what it takes to swim in the pirana (sp?) infested waters of American identity politics.

Still, the list of people who used to work for Trump and now turn on him is unnecessarily long.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 10, 2022, 02:14:03 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/is-mike-pence-preparing-a-kamikaze-campaign/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202022-03-09&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Title: another ex Trump guy torches Trump
Post by: ccp on March 10, 2022, 02:20:42 PM
this is what happens when your ego forces you shove a person into the dirt because they do not agree with you
and you go out and humiliate them on person.

they hit back :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-trump-national-security-advisor-231023716.html

mean tweets = stupid tweets
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 10, 2022, 03:18:56 PM
Unclear on your point here CCP.

Are you saying Bolton's analysis was correct or that he would not be speaking up now had Trump fired him with grace?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on March 10, 2022, 03:30:33 PM
trump fired him with grace?

i don't recall it that way

 Bolton has gone on my shit list, no doubt

but I suspect something went on that Trump  personally offended him to the extent that he has a need to return the favor....

or is Bolton  just a media money hound ?

do you think I am evaluating this wrong?  just my take .



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 10, 2022, 08:55:47 PM
"had Trump fired him with grace" is a use of the subjective.  The intended meaning is precisely that he did not.  :-D
Title: Re: Citizen Trump v. Bolton
Post by: DougMacG on March 10, 2022, 09:10:47 PM
It's disappointing that so many of these working relationships go bad personally.  In general, that reflects poorly on Trump, but in this case, some of the fault might lie with Bolton.  They were bound to have disagreements.  Bolton was a hawk and Trump was a saber rattler but really wanted no wars on his watch.  I think they were on opposite sides of the argument on Syria.

From afar, it looked like Bolton would do well to remember who is boss and who is adviser.  But when you are treated badly in public, the only way to defend yourself is through freedom of speech - so we'll see where this goes.  Bolton served his purpose for Trump, having a hawk in the room while dealing with Un, Xi, Vlad and others.  But it was bound to fall apart.  That did not happen gracefully.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 10, 2022, 09:18:25 PM
Well assessed, well described.
Title: Citizen Trump interview deleted by Youtube
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 12, 2022, 03:14:12 AM
https://rumble.com/vx3vv3-trump-predicted-big-tech-would-censor-this-interview.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR1rY8AdkHwo7yiBZOtRkpEoGh5VE2RMlpYvvQxGMMTe4IrdgAGPMZRgufQ
Title: Trump guilty beyond a reasonable doubt !!
Post by: ccp on March 24, 2022, 05:55:38 AM
BLASTS the headlines at such notably objective "news" outlets:

CBS news
NYT
WP
Seattle Times
The Hill

says the lawyer lister from Harvard and NYC, who like Weissman, went bananas (TDS) and thus came out of retirement
 to look for "crimes" on Trump.

I bet he made a bundle while doing his search and destroy
This is the latest legal specialty while Trump is alive - they must teach it a Columbia and NYU law;
lawyers who spend every waking hour going after a politician who is not from their beloved Democrat party.

As for the news outlets they must have the jornolisters connect to one another via a single email chain
so the story blasts out over every Lib , Republican hating Democrat propaganda outlet.










Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 24, 2022, 12:28:22 PM
I would note that prosecutors who do not indict are supposed to STFU.  Serious violation of professional ethics here that somehow seems to go unnoticed.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on March 24, 2022, 02:02:51 PM
I would note that prosecutors who do not indict are supposed to STFU.  Serious violation of professional ethics here that somehow seems to go unnoticed.

Ethical rules, laws it all goes out the window because Orange Man Bad!

Trump may be the cleanest politician in American history.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on March 24, 2022, 02:09:03 PM
good point

but what good is the NY Bar if loaded with the same shysters?

"no controlling legal authority!!!"

ha ha ha ha ha

I suppose the DA could do something?

good luck with that.........

and of course the profs are in on it.....






Title: Trump sues back
Post by: ccp on March 24, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
the "no controlling authority " gal.

Of course the timing is no coincidence

Not clear who is trying to fight for the headlines first


Trump team or the shysters:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-sues-hillary-clinton-173916750.html

Title: Citizen Trump sues the Dowager Empress of Chappaqua
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 24, 2022, 03:38:46 PM
Trump Sues Hillary Clinton, Christopher Steele Over Russian Collusion Allegations
By Zachary Stieber March 24, 2022 Updated: March 24, 2022biggersmaller Print
Former President Donald Trump on March 24 sued former Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and the man who compiled the infamous Steele dossier on him while being paid by her campaign.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in Florida, says Clinton and ex-British spy Christopher Steele, along with around 30 others, carried out a plot to “weave a false narrative” that Trump was colluding with Russian actors.

“The actions taken in furtherance of their scheme—falsifying evidence, deceiving law enforcement, and exploiting access to highly-sensitive data sources—are so outrageous, subversive and incendiary that even the events of Watergate pale in comparison,” the 108-page suit states.

“Under the guise of ‘opposition research,’ ‘data analytics,’ and other political stratagems, the defendants nefariously sought to sway the public’s trust,” it added. “They worked together with a single, self-serving purpose: to vilify Donald J. Trump. Indeed, their far-reaching conspiracy was designed to cripple Trump’s bid for presidency by fabricating a scandal that would be used to trigger an unfounded federal investigation and ignite a media frenzy.”

Steele compiled a dossier based on what he claimed were sources inside Russia. His main source was revealed in 2020 to be Igor Danchenko, who has been investigated by federal agents for possibly being a Russian spy.

Steele was paid by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Clinton’s campaign for his work, which was released to select reporters ahead of the 2016 election.

Trump ended up winning the election over Clinton but was dogged by the collusion allegations for years after becoming president. Special counsel Robert Mueller ultimately found no evidence of conspiracy or coordination between Trump or his campaign and Russians.

Many claims contained in the dossier were later confirmed as false while others have never been proven.

Clinton, Steele, and the DNC were named as defendants in the suit.

Others include Fusion GPS and its operatives, who helped produce and distribute the dossier; Danchenko and Clinton lawyer Michael Sussman, both charged with lying to the FBI as part of special counsel John Durham’s investigation; former FBI officials James Comey and Andrew McCabe; and former FBI agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok.

Kevin Clinesmith, the former FBI lawyer who doctored an email to say a former Trump campaign associate was not a CIA asset when the original missive said he was, is also a defendant.

The defendants either did not immediately respond to requests for comment or couldn’t be reached.

The complaint alleges crimes including conspiracy, theft of trade secrets, and obstruction of justice.

The complaint seeks damages amounting to at least $24 million and a jury trial.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump sues the Dowager Empress of Chappaqua
Post by: DougMacG on March 24, 2022, 04:53:59 PM
This is fantastic.  Impeached twice, Trump deserves vindication and closure.  And maybe they'll both be too busy to run for President. 

At the end it says, "complaint seeks damages amounting to at least $24 million and a jury trial".

  - 24 million seems low and I think he meant to say they seek television rights to a jury trial.

Prove the case beyond a preponderance of the evidence(?) in civil court.  It's beautiful.  He deserves his day in court.
 Pass the popcorn.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump - hitting all the right notes
Post by: DougMacG on March 30, 2022, 07:17:09 AM
Interview with Just the News, Trump hits all the right notes.  Too bad we don't like the singer.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-doctrine-20-former-president-lays-out-plan-reverse-biden

No, it's not too early to lay out the post Biden agenda. More should be doing it.
Title: Gingrich McCarthy
Post by: ccp on March 30, 2022, 08:17:58 AM
"No, it's not too early to lay out the post Biden agenda. More should be doing it."

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/newt-gingrich-says-house-gop-creating-new-contract-america

I feel Kevin is redeeming himself from earlier flubs
and appreciate his very hard work / efforts lately
he is molded more into a warrior for our side

as for the timing of the agenda not sure
if too early or not

later maybe better
to keep dems from having as much time along with the propagandist media
to  lie cover up switch bait
turn into racism
etc
the policy proposals

on the other hand they have their plants
so they will try to co opt policies in their own way and make it look like they were for. them all along
like Clinton did with an adoring MSM letting the dirtball get away with it.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 04, 2022, 05:45:28 AM
https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-two-key-tech-execs-quit-truth-social-after-troubled-app-launch-2022-04-04/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily-briefing
Title: No mean tweets!
Post by: G M on April 05, 2022, 03:43:40 AM
https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mean-tweets-filled-up-29-full-shelves-instead-biden-shortages-war.jpg?w=480&ssl=1

(https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mean-tweets-filled-up-29-full-shelves-instead-biden-shortages-war.jpg?w=480&ssl=1)
Title: Twitter still a no?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 06, 2022, 10:10:48 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitter-no-plans-to-bring-trump-back-after-elon-musk-joins-board_4386454.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-04-06-3&utm_medium=email&est=QUPBcEcktRCaZ35MbanNgTpIk8pfDGWn4EIBLYo4AKALdgGPal9jNLfBJUAbV%2BWcGr8R
Title: Citizen Trump w Piers Morgan
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 27, 2022, 04:42:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXezcmXLgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvqYOwgR9I



Title: NY Grand Jury wrapping up
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 29, 2022, 08:54:30 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/29/nyregion/trump-investigation-alvin-bragg-grand-jury.html?fbclid=IwAR05c1BVW-yiF2bXtQd9JEMAx3BKhllnZKFbGetWvfhTT3bGVxmjjcaVIVc
Title: Cleanest president in American history!
Post by: G M on May 02, 2022, 12:30:47 PM
https://ace.mu.nu/archives/398943.php
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on May 02, 2022, 01:24:02 PM
"Cleanest president in American history!"

oh absolutely

that is why he compares himself to Abe Lincoln.  :roll:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 02, 2022, 01:28:42 PM
"Cleanest president in American history!"

oh absolutely

that is why he compares himself to Abe Lincoln.  :roll:

What president has ever been investigated to this degree?
Title: Citizen Trump hits the fat one down the middle of the plate pitched by Magoo.
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 07, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/maga-is-saving-america-trump-says-in-response-to-bidens-criticism_4449514.html?utm_source=China&utm_campaign=uschina-2022-05-07&utm_medium=email&est=P%2FA05vKlC0QnN1SmPoBIbxYvtrnfdqN03YK2IzYGfDo8gcSE9WIhjcNdfPOe4eQKObLT
Title: Citizen Trump: Where do I go to get my reputation back?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 22, 2022, 07:23:56 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-after-testimony-shows-clinton-behind-russia-allegations-against-him-where-do-i-get-my-reputation-back_4482068.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-05-22-ai&est=oXX9YSsxSoCwswmDlFbzCJo%2FJJGtn5HjRb29%2FXJtuKdIEgv08eQCzd3tkO2m6erBgonf

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-lawyers-demand-intelligence-agencies-punish-ex-employees-who-claimed-russians-were-behind-hunter-biden-laptop_4481368.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-05-22-ai&est=KI3mz6IDllmNncvQ2nz9pY8gVCe3JUbWzllF0OI4kdZAgWjYeNKLoCMO%2Fa%2FJ%2FfvnK648
Title: Re: Citizen Trump: Where do I go to get my reputation back?
Post by: G M on May 22, 2022, 07:31:10 AM
Where do we go to get our constitutional republic back?


https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-after-testimony-shows-clinton-behind-russia-allegations-against-him-where-do-i-get-my-reputation-back_4482068.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-05-22-ai&est=oXX9YSsxSoCwswmDlFbzCJo%2FJJGtn5HjRb29%2FXJtuKdIEgv08eQCzd3tkO2m6erBgonf

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-lawyers-demand-intelligence-agencies-punish-ex-employees-who-claimed-russians-were-behind-hunter-biden-laptop_4481368.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-05-22-ai&est=KI3mz6IDllmNncvQ2nz9pY8gVCe3JUbWzllF0OI4kdZAgWjYeNKLoCMO%2Fa%2FJ%2FfvnK648
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 29, 2022, 06:53:56 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/29/trump-liz-cheney-wyoming-rally/?utm_medium=email&pnespid=urBiEylVMKAWwOXBqWzkFYrQoAixTJhqfe7g3u1wtBdmfqMN_Qp9hDel1NpyDDdxYFqi.zS7

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-to-launch-non-woke-streaming-service-featuring-canceled-shows_4499024.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-05-30-ai&est=PzC4RM0qVvFJKMROoCq5PAUwIlDEqZmIl7KDqKYMfyXNl43GWxd9uo98ZPcFnGRh69uH
Title: Citizen Trump demands equal time
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 18, 2022, 06:50:41 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/i-demand-equal-time-trump-slams-highly-partisan-jan-6-hearings_4539806.html?utm_source=China&utm_campaign=uschina-2022-06-18&utm_medium=email&est=Rw%2FYZXTdMX3o4CHnDKs3LFCGIoXjVdC82ofosXH2eKgWW%2BPGktxdHpeZ4%2Bdqv1v5P90f
Title: Joe Rogan on Trump
Post by: ccp on July 05, 2022, 08:09:38 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/07/05/joe-rogan-reveals-if-he-will-host-donald-trump-on-podcast/

Rogan backed Bernie Sanders ?   :-o in '20

I don't listen to Rogan at all
do not really care what he thinks
but many do.

Rogan:

"He claimed that the 76-year-old ex-president was so divisive that people “abandoned their own ethics and morals” in order to criticize him, adding that Trump was an “existential threat to democracy itself.”

I don't agree with this. Trump just exposed the LEFT out into the open.
Some could also argued the Right abandoned their ethics and morals to sweep Trumps egomanic impulses under the rug

For me I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat if he IS the candidate but otherwise
I hope he is not.

Rogan who would not vote for Trump or Biden

So then goes out and votes for Sanders is very strange if you ask me.
Title: Kelly Anne Conway lets rip
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 07, 2022, 08:34:47 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/6/kellyanne-conway-2020-campaign-debacle-kushner/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=CyyoqGJ7GhBucPQFG%2FmYs2uoQf4ujC7%2FhniwkYT7mzHVmZgr%2FI3bsw3NL9eAwTHV&bt_ts=1657197553516

BTW I super heartily concur with her comments on Jared scoring billions in investment from the Saudis.  How is this different from what Hillary and Bill did?  What Hunter did?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on July 07, 2022, 09:04:07 AM
"Mr. Kushner has formed a private equity firm that reportedly received a $2 billion investment from the Saudi kingdom’s sovereign wealth fund. "

Just as, or more obnoxious then Hunter accepting cash from foreigners and governments

Jarrod

like father like son

did good with Abraham accords so we read
but like a good stereotyped shyster made sure he cashed in while working for Mid East peace;
as if he was not rich enough......

Halley called him a "genius".

She has zero chance .......


Title: Ivana dies
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 14, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/14/ivana-trump-first-wife-former-president-has-died-h/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=evening&utm_term=evening&utm_content=evening&bt_ee=mPaj6mP66D0ARGuRSVoMW%2F%2Fx6IWKfKOMcXB3FvaJcYWOF6GN2rZezg5q7U7wRk5p&bt_ts=1657830344178
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on July 14, 2022, 01:54:58 PM
Wow

I think it was her who first called him

"THE Donald"
Title: Citizen Trump looks to fall 2022 launch for 2024
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 14, 2022, 04:37:44 PM
Donald Trump looks to fall launch for 2024, potentially upending midterms
Some Republicans fear an announcement will undercut them at a time when they have a strong chance of retaking the House and Senate
By Michael Scherer and Josh Dawsey
Updated July 14, 2022 at 1:47 p.m. EDT|Published July 14, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EDT


For nearly a year, a kitchen cabinet of Donald Trump confidants have told the former president not to announce his 2024 comeback candidacy before the midterms, arguing that he could be a drag on 2022 candidates and would be blamed if Republicans underperformed.

But Trump has continued to regularly push for an early announcement in private meetings, as potential 2024 rivals become more aggressive amid signs of weakening support among his base. Now an increasing number of allies are urging him to follow his instincts as a way to shore up his standing in the party and drive turnout to help the GOP take over the House and Senate next year.

The former president is now eyeing a September announcement, according to two Trump advisers, who like some others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. One confidant put the odds at “70-30 he announces before the midterms.” And others said he may still decide to announce sooner than September.


Trump has begun talking with advisers about who should run a campaign, and his team has instructed others to have an online apparatus ready for a campaign should he announce soon, two people familiar with the matter said. He also has begun meeting with top donors to talk about the 2024 race, one of these people said, while on trips to various places across the country.

“If Trump is going to run, the sooner he gets in and talks about winning the next election, the better,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who recently golfed with Trump in New Jersey. “It will refocus his attention — less grievance, more about the future.”

Graham has embraced an argument once dismissed inside much of the party, contending that Democrats are going to use Trump’s unpopularity among some voter groups to try to drive turnout no matter what he does. If he gets in the race soon, they argue, he will be better positioned to drive turnout on the Republican side in the midterms.

“You might as well get the benefit if you’re going to take the lashes too,” said Tony Fabrizio, a Trump pollster working for multiple Senate candidates this cycle. “If you want to energize the base and get the base out, no one does it better than Trump.”

Candidate challenges, primary scars have Republicans worried about Senate chances

Others have argued that Trump’s direct insertion into the midterm campaign will only play into Democratic plans to make the election a referendum on the extremism of Trump’s “Make America Great Again,” or MAGA, movement. Republicans believe they are on track for a banner midterm year, a result of massive dissatisfaction with inflation, President Biden’s job performance and the direction of the country.

A Trump spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

Public and internal party polls in several key states show that Trump rates behind even Biden, who has suffered a historic collapse in public support since taking office. Trump lost a recent hypothetical head-to-head poll against Biden in New Hampshire and trails Biden in favorability in Wisconsin, both sites of marquee Senate contests this fall.


A May presentation for donors to Herschel Walker’s Senate campaign in Georgia, obtained by The Washington Post, showed Biden and Trump with similar favorability ratings in the low 40s, about a half-dozen points below those of Walker and his opponent, Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D). In early 2021, the Battleground Survey by the National Republican Congressional Committee found that Trump’s unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than his favorable ratings in core districts.

Trump has also slipped some among GOP voters, though he remains easily the most formidable Republican candidate in a primary, according to public polls.



The Jan. 6, 2021 House committee held its latest public hearing on July 12, focusing on how President Donald Trump summoned far-right militant groups to D.C. (Video: Mahlia Posey/The Washington Post, Photo: Demetrius Freeman/The Washington Post)
Trump’s decision to enter the race, some in the party fear, could scramble the dynamics in the final months of the House and Senate campaigns.

“Of all the selfish things he does every minute of every day, it would probably be the most,” said one prominent Republican strategist, speaking on the condition of anonymity to offer a candid assessment. “Everything we are doing that is not talking about the economy is going to be a disaster.”


After earlier threatening to kick off his campaign in July, Trump has decided in recent weeks to stage a series of what aides dub policy speeches as he continues to plan the structure of his next campaign. He gave a speech on crime Friday in Las Vegas, where he resurfaced his old idea that drug dealers should be given the death penalty. Further speeches are being planned.

He plans to return to Washington for the first time since leaving office on July 26 to deliver a speech at a conference by the America First Policy Institute, a think tank founded by his former advisers that he has helped to fund. The event will mark a reunion of sorts for the Trump administration, bringing together eight former Trump Cabinet-level officials and multiple former senior White House officials for panel discussions on topics like voting, immigration, national security and health care.

“With Republican victories in 2022 and 2024 we can restore tough-on-crime policies and much more,” Trump said in Las Vegas. “Leave our police alone. Let them do their job. They know what to do. Let them do it.”


Trump began talking privately about an imminent presidential campaign announcement last August, in response to Biden’s chaotic withdrawal of military forces from Afghanistan. Several advisers told Trump not to act, since an early 2024 campaign announcement would limit his ability to access funds in his Save America PAC, which has been paying for his staff and events, trigger equal time rules on television and allow Democrats to reframe the election away from Biden’s unpopular presidency.

The private discussions succeeded in delaying an announcement, but they did not dissuade Trump from continuing to push forward. In recent months, rivals also considering 2024 campaigns have received more attention and the investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol has raised awareness of his attempts to subvert the 2020 election result. Trump has also faced other investigations, particularly in New York and Georgia, that have only accelerated his desire to run, advisers said.

Democrats, in the meantime, have developed a party-wide strategy aimed at tagging Republican candidates in close elections as “MAGA Republicans,” a phrase they have poll-tested as off-putting for swing voters. In recent weeks, they have argued that the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the nationwide right to abortion, the continued GOP resistance to some gun regulations despite mass shootings and the ongoing investigation into the Capitol riot all show a broader extremism across the Republican Party.


Attendees listen to a prayer during a July 9 Trump rally in Anchorage. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
“The Jan. 6 hearings have disturbed America. It is real we see movement in these numbers,” said John Anzalone, a Biden pollster. “If Donald Trump gets in before the midterms, every Republican congressman and candidate is going to have to answer these questions.”


Democrats are hopeful, for instance, that Republican candidates in competitive contests will be forced to say whether they support Trump in the 2024 presidential primaries — a choice that could alienate either the former president’s supporters or otherwise persuadable voters who have voted in two consecutive elections against Trump’s brand of politics.

“Senators as well as Senate candidates have told me recently that voters are ready to turn the page on Trump, and that he’s more of a head wind than a tail wind these days,” said Dan Eberhart, a Republican donor who has met with a number of GOP senators.

Several Republican House strategists remain hopeful that a Trump announcement would not undermine the party in November. Republicans won a net gain of 14 seats in the 2020 congressional elections, despite Trump appearing on the same ballot and losing the national popular vote by about 7 million votes. Polls have shown economic concerns and inflationary pressures dominate the electoral landscape to the detriment of Democratic candidates.


Some people around Trump have warned that he could make a mistake if he does not try to insert himself more forcefully into the midterm campaigns. National polls over the past year, including surveys by the Pew Research Center, CNN and the New York Times, have found that only about half of Republican and Republican-leaning voters want Trump to be the party’s 2024 nominee.

“When Republicans have these massive wins in the midterms, if President Trump has not yet announced for 2024, the haters and the establishment Republicans and their allies in the media will say they can win in 2024 without him, and that the party should go and find somebody else,” said Jason Miller, a longtime spokesman and adviser, who now runs the Gettr social media network. “They will try to get that narrative to hold, and the Democrats will gladly amplify it.”

The shadow race is underway for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination

But others, such as Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and longtime adviser Kellyanne Conway, have repeatedly cautioned Trump against announcing a bid now. Both have argued that he doesn’t want to be responsible for any losses in the Senate, and McDaniel has told others that the party will stop paying his legal bills if he becomes the nominee.


“Some like to deny him credit when candidates win and blame him when candidates lose, but President Trump knows he can’t control the quality and energy of a candidate or his or her campaign,” Conway said.

Trump continues to dominate early polling for the 2024 Republican primary, though potential rivals such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis have received encouraging signs at Republican events by winning informal straw polls. A growing group of candidates, including his former vice president, Mike Pence, Sen. Tom Cotton (Ark.) and Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, have been making advanced plans for a campaign. Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) has also left open the possibility of a 2024 presidential campaign, recently telling others he is “humbled” by the attention paid to him.

A group affiliated with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), an oft-discussed presidential or vice-presidential candidate, has launched about $2 million in television ads in key states such as Georgia and Nevada that show him speaking directly to the camera about local Republican Senate candidates, with more reservations expected over the coming months.


Former president Donald Trump speaks at the July 9 rally in Anchorage. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
For Trump, an early announcement, well ahead of the traditional post-midterm window for a presidential campaign, could come with significant risk inside the party.

“It’s a big jump ball if we win the Senate. If we lose by one Senate seat, which is a very strong possibility, he’s just giving people an excuse to blame him,” said another longtime adviser, pointing to the GOP’s loss of Georgia’s two Senate seats in an early 2021 runoff. “If we lose Georgia again, he’ll get blamed. He’ll get none of the credit and he’ll get all of the blame. He knows that.”

Other advisers have warned that Trump still may upend even the planning of his own team by announcing for president with little warning. These same people said they believe an announcement in August, when many Americans are on vacation and tuned out of the news, is unlikely. Several advisers said Trump spent hours in recent weeks, particularly on the weekend, just polling advisers about what he should do.

“You can only hold him off so long,” the adviser said. “One day he’ll wake up and say, ‘Put it out.’”

Title: Jason Miller
Post by: ccp on July 14, 2022, 05:26:48 PM
“When Republicans have these massive wins in the midterms, if President Trump has not yet announced for 2024, the haters and the establishment Republicans and their allies in the media will say they can win in 2024 without him, and that the party should go and find somebody else,” said Jason Miller, a longtime spokesman and adviser, who now runs the Gettr social media network. “They will try to get that narrative to hold, and the Democrats will gladly amplify it.”

 I think this is nuts

" “If Trump is going to run, the sooner he gets in and talks about winning the next election, the better,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who recently golfed with Trump in New Jersey. “It will refocus his attention — less grievance, more about the future.”

good luck with that ......

--------------------------------------------------------------

REMEMBER TRUMP NEVER POLLS ABOVE 45% (at best)

THIS IS NOT A WINNING FORMULA

MAYBE NO REPUBLICAN CAN .....

 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

the 1/6 committee circus only has him seething to get in and fight even more .....

we are so "f..d"
 
Title: Re: Jason Miller
Post by: G M on July 14, 2022, 08:43:03 PM
Sure, it's Trump's fault and not massive voter fraud!

 :roll:


“When Republicans have these massive wins in the midterms, if President Trump has not yet announced for 2024, the haters and the establishment Republicans and their allies in the media will say they can win in 2024 without him, and that the party should go and find somebody else,” said Jason Miller, a longtime spokesman and adviser, who now runs the Gettr social media network. “They will try to get that narrative to hold, and the Democrats will gladly amplify it.”

 I think this is nuts

" “If Trump is going to run, the sooner he gets in and talks about winning the next election, the better,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who recently golfed with Trump in New Jersey. “It will refocus his attention — less grievance, more about the future.”

good luck with that ......

--------------------------------------------------------------

REMEMBER TRUMP NEVER POLLS ABOVE 45% (at best)

THIS IS NOT A WINNING FORMULA

MAYBE NO REPUBLICAN CAN .....

 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

the 1/6 committee circus only has him seething to get in and fight even more .....

we are so "f..d"
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on July 15, 2022, 05:04:45 AM
".Sure, it's Trump's fault and not massive voter fraud!"

I agree but would it not be nice to have someone who can win the popular vote like W did in 2004.

WE only won in 2000 and 2016 by electoral college

Trump cannot win the popular vote despite fraud.....

That is my thought.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on July 15, 2022, 07:14:04 AM
You understand that the PTB do not intend to ever allow anyone outside the DC Uniparty to ever win the presidency again, right?


".Sure, it's Trump's fault and not massive voter fraud!"

I agree but would it not be nice to have someone who can win the popular vote like W did in 2004.

WE only won in 2000 and 2016 by electoral college

Trump cannot win the popular vote despite fraud.....

That is my thought.
Title: Mulvany does NOT want Trumpster to run again
Post by: ccp on July 20, 2022, 05:58:46 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/19/mulvaney-i-hope-trump-doesnt-run-gop-doesnt-need-his-baggage/

that said ,
he will run.

It ain't about the party or us
it's as always, about him in his mind.
Title: James Woods nails it
Post by: G M on July 21, 2022, 07:19:24 AM
https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/111/593/693/original/22b2f4fcc0351caa.png

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/111/593/693/original/22b2f4fcc0351caa.png)
Title: Wait, I thought James Wood is a genius
Post by: ccp on July 21, 2022, 07:52:50 AM
funny James
Wood who has an IQ ~ 180 and
thinks 2020 was the most crooked election in US history...
How could such a smart man be stupid enough to simply believe the "LIES from Trump and Bannon" that claimed the election was stolen when there is no shred of evidence this occured?

If one were to believe the media,
people like James Wood (and myself and everyone on this board )
who think that

only think that  because we are gullible fools who  believed Trump and Bannon "LIES";

they "LIED TO US" and we fell for it

 :wink:

It is not we could see the irrefutable evidence  for ourselves  :wink:

Kudos to one of the few actors who will speak the obvious politically incorrect truth

I am now a  life long fan of Mr. Woods.

I wonder if he could ever get another role in Hollywood?



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 21, 2022, 02:36:17 PM
1) Trump prepared poorly for the post election legal fights that were sure to come;

2) He lost something like 60-65 lawsuits, most of them quite laughable at best, stupid tin foil at worst.  This presents serious credibility problems for those of us who seek to make the case for electoral fraud.

3) Off the top of my head, Peter Navarro made the case best.

4) Off the top of my head, during the JS Show Trial, Trump should have been hammering home that he offered 20,000 Nat. Guard to Pelosi on J4.  Instead, he has allowed the Show Trial to damage his brand.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on July 21, 2022, 03:49:01 PM
".Trump prepared poorly for the post election legal fights that were sure to come;"

it seems that Gulliani, Sid Powell (and the pillow guy  :-o) etc put the cart before the horse

they knew there was fraud and thought all they need do is investigate

they may not have realized how far the left would go to block any investigations

or how hard it would be to get witnesses to come forward

they misjudged the difficulty of proving anything with Democrat lawiors mobsters blocking everything in their path

I know what it is like proving anything against well financed well connected mobsters myself....

That is why I thought 2000 mules was genius because it could track people who did not want to be tracked and map out where they were going and the locations and the connections
 despite everyone lying code of silence money flowing and Lawsters working to block any and all legal chance of real investigation
etc.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 21, 2022, 04:15:26 PM
The whole point of mass mail ballots and ballot harvesting is to make proof of fraud impossible in the time frame involved.  To not have seen this in advance is a big fukkup
Title: Citizen Trump at CPAC
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 06, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-wins-cpac-straw-poll-desantis-takes-second-place/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=28643481
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2022, 07:09:36 AM
https://twitter.com/MonaSalama_/status/1556949726884397064?s=20&t=VaHE4vt0z6RBdQV52A-isQ
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 09, 2022, 07:30:02 AM
I am thinking the raid will enrage him so he will not wait till after November to announce.

Some on cable think this is part of the Dem strategy - get him back into the ring before the election
so they can make it all about him

Title: this could also go in civil war thread
Post by: ccp on August 09, 2022, 07:34:06 AM
Like Laura said last night -

this is an assault on 80 million people not just Trump

whether you like the guy or not , whatever you think about Trump personally, we all liked his policies

I agree

I take this invasion of his home over some purported documents - personally
Title: Re: this could also go in civil war thread
Post by: DougMacG on August 09, 2022, 10:27:19 AM
Like Laura said last night -

this is an assault on 80 million people not just Trump

whether you like the guy or not , whatever you think about Trump personally, we all liked his policies

I agree

I take this invasion of his home over some purported documents - personally
.

This, plus 87,000 new "IRS" agents, it ought to be enough to get people favoring freedom energized.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/86-852-new-irs-employees
Title: Re: this could also go in civil war thread
Post by: G M on August 09, 2022, 10:41:36 AM
Like Laura said last night -

this is an assault on 80 million people not just Trump

whether you like the guy or not , whatever you think about Trump personally, we all liked his policies

I agree

I take this invasion of his home over some purported documents - personally
.

This, plus 87,000 new "IRS" agents, it ought to be enough to get people favoring freedom energized.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/86-852-new-irs-employees

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/113/030/127/original/8fb64411469379e2.png

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Title: Re: this could also go in civil war thread
Post by: DougMacG on August 09, 2022, 10:58:20 AM
In a red state you might double that number since they are all going to red states.

They aren't being hired to scrutinize public employee unions.

It is inflationary by definition.  Spend more public money, produce fewer goods.

What is the good or service produced if you assign a team of your best people to work for years complying with an IRS audit?  Big money spent, higher costs.  No new goods produced.

For me, avoid audit means avoid income.  Don't sell properties, etc.  Nothing slows an economy like assets frozen in place.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2022, 12:17:20 PM
"I am thinking the raid will enrage him so he will not wait till after November to announce.  Some on cable think this is part of the Dem strategy - get him back into the ring before the election so they can make it all about him"

One reason of several for sure.
Title: Re: this could also go in civil war thread
Post by: G M on August 09, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
The process IS the punishment.

The wealthy have teams of CPAs and tax attorneys.

For the middle class, just spending the money for legal defense will economically destroy you, even if you are cleared. Even tax experts can't agree on what the tax code says.

In a red state you might double that number since they are all going to red states.

They aren't being hired to scrutinize public employee unions.

It is inflationary by definition.  Spend more public money, produce fewer goods.

What is the good or service produced if you assign a team of your best people to work for years complying with an IRS audit?  Big money spent, higher costs.  No new goods produced.

For me, avoid audit means avoid income.  Don't sell properties, etc.  Nothing slows an economy like assets frozen in place.
Title: MY fantasy
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2022, 01:30:46 PM
https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/2551380/what-if-this-was-a-trap-for-fbi-and-they-just-took-the-bait
Title: Re: MY fantasy
Post by: G M on August 09, 2022, 01:43:29 PM
https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/2551380/what-if-this-was-a-trap-for-fbi-and-they-just-took-the-bait

Not entirely.

I know of a LEO who served a search warrant at a residence and got jammed up over a pretty minor thing that was captured on the home camera system. What Yon says is possible.

The fantasy part is that Trump was this cagey. If he was, he'd still be in the white house.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 09, 2022, 04:04:14 PM
Can't disagree, but I was enjoying the fantasy , , ,
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on August 09, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
Can't disagree, but I was enjoying the fantasy , , ,

No one is coming to save us.

Plan accordingly.
Title: Re: MY fantasy
Post by: G M on August 10, 2022, 07:10:26 AM
https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/2551380/what-if-this-was-a-trap-for-fbi-and-they-just-took-the-bait

Not entirely.

I know of a LEO who served a search warrant at a residence and got jammed up over a pretty minor thing that was captured on the home camera system. What Yon says is possible.

The fantasy part is that Trump was this cagey. If he was, he'd still be in the white house.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11098825/Trump-says-Mar-Lago-staff-lawyers-blocked-watching-raid-agents.html

Title: ET: MAL raid improperly intrusive
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2022, 08:17:21 AM
FBI’s Trump Home Raid Improperly Intrusive, Circumstances Indicate: Lawyers
By Petr Svab August 9, 2022 Updated: August 10, 2022biggersmaller Print


There’s reason to suspect that the FBI search of the Florida residence of former President Donald Trump was improperly intrusive, according to several lawyers. The raid prompted a rebuke from Trump and Republicans more broadly and further escalated political tensions in the nation.

About two dozen FBI agents entered Trump’s Palm Beach resort of Mar-a-Lago around 9 a.m. on Aug. 8 and left about 10 hours later with “a handful of boxes of documents,” one of Trump’s attorneys on scene, Christina Bobb, told The Epoch Times.

“I didn’t actually get to oversee the search, they wouldn’t let anybody see what they were doing,” she said.

It isn’t clear what legal basis the FBI had for the raid. The agents had a search warrant signed by a judge, however, the affidavit explaining the basis—its probable cause—was filed under seal and Trump’s lawyers weren’t allowed to examine it, Bobb said.

In general, the agents were looking for “what they deemed to be presidential records,” she said.

“I don’t think there was anything of substance.”

Trump’s legal team will take steps to obtain the affidavit, she said.

There has been a dispute between National Archives and Trump about whether he has documents that should be stored at the archives under the U.S. Presidential Records Act.

Trump has been cooperative on that front, Bobb said, and previously had invited the FBI to Mar-a-Lago to examine the White House records he had in storage at the time.

“Nothing had been hidden and nothing had been kept secret from them, which makes this all the more ridiculous,” she said.

Potentially Illegal

“I’m stunned and dismayed,” commented Marc Ruskin, 27-year FBI veteran and former federal prosecutor.

“The disregard for traditional norms and apparent lack of concern with the appearance of impropriety is indicative of an abandonment of even a veneer of independence and objectivity,” he told The Epoch Times.

Former federal prosecutor Mike Davis went even further, saying the raid may have been illegally invasive.

“Under the case law, you can’t do a home raid if you can secure the documents through less intrusive means,” he told “Bannon War Room” on Aug. 9.

The FBI had to first determine that requests for the documents or even subpoenas wouldn’t be sufficient, said Davis, who formerly advised Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) on judicial nominations and now heads The Article III Project.

“There’s zero evidence” that Trump wouldn’t have cooperated, he said.

“There was no allegation or evidence that he [Trump] was destroying any of this evidence or putting it into the wrong hands. This is banana republic-level tactics from the Biden Justice Department.”

Even if Trump took classified documents, he took possession of them when he was still chief executive and had the authority to declassify them, Davis said.

Bobb suggested that the invocation of classified documents was a disingenuous attempt of “shrouding this in a national security blanket.”

“They don’t want to disclose what they’re doing, because what they’re doing is wrong. And so they want to hide it behind the premise of  ‘Oh, it’s a matter of national security and classified documents, so we can’t disclose to you what we’re doing or why we’re doing it. But just trust us. We’re not lying to you,’” she said.

“Well, no, the American people aren’t going to stand for that anymore.”

Even if the DOJ tried to charge Trump with withholding documents, it wouldn’t hold up, Bobb said, because the statute in question requires a “willful” violation and Trump would have had to have “some malicious intent” to take specific documents.

“They would have to lay the foundation that Donald Trump actually packed up his own office” or ordered somebody what specifically to take, she said.

History of Missing Documents

If Trump had documents that should go to the archives, it would add him to a lineup of former government officials.

Former FBI Director James Comey took his handwritten notes when he was fired by Trump in 2017. His home wasn’t raided. He handed the notes to FBI agents who came to interview him.

The Obama administration didn’t just fail to hand over documents, tens of thousands of its documents went missing or were destroyed. No homes were raided.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to hand over tens of thousands of emails and documents from her server, claiming they were of a personal nature. The FBI was able to retrieve some of the documents, revealing that many were work-related. Moreover, the documents were under congressional subpoena at the time when a Clinton aide deleted them.

Immediate Skepticism

The raid prompted an immediate wave of skepticism, particularly because the FBI and the Department of Justice (DOJ) have a history of breaking protocol, misrepresentations, and even forging of evidence, in their case against Trump and members of his campaign.

“After six years of unfounded, absurd investigations of President Trump, the presumption is that any investigation of President Trump is politically motivated, and the burden of proof is on FBI/DOJ to prove otherwise,” Will Chamberlain, senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project, wrote in an Aug. 9 tweet.

In 2017, the FBI and DOJ obtained two extensions of a spying warrant on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page although the warrant was based on false or unsubstantiated allegations. The FBI later acknowledged that spying based on the extensions was illegal.

The FBI also has a history of harsh treatment of people associated with Trump. His aides have been arrested at gunpoint, handcuffed, and “perp-walked,” and their homes and offices have been raided in pursuit of trivial or nonviolent offenses, even when the targets were cooperating with the government.

Shoe on the Other Foot

The Trump raid increased the already polarized political playing field, as Republicans can now argue that home raids of former presidents are acceptable.

“They’re setting a very dangerous precedent where you can do a home raid of a former president of the United States,” Davis said, noting that such a thing has never happened “in our 250 years as a republic.”

Already, Republican lawmakers are promising to subject the DOJ and the FBI to intense scrutiny, with the expectation of reclaiming the majority in the House after the November midterms.

“When Republicans take back the House, we will conduct immediate oversight of this department, follow the facts, and leave no stone unturned,” House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in an Aug. 8 statement.

“Attorney General Garland: preserve your documents and clear your calendar.”

Judge’s Epstein Connection
The search warrant was issued by U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart in the Southern District of Florida. Reinhart was a senior prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida when the office reached a non-prosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein, who was later indicted for sex trafficking children and died by apparent suicide in a New York jail.

Upon leaving office, Reinhart went into private practice and represented multiple Epstein associates and employees in civil cases against Epstein by his alleged victims.

Reinhart was appointed a magistrate judge in 2018 by the district judges in the Southern District of Florida.

The warrant was issued on Aug. 5, the day after FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee and was questioned about multiple whistleblower reports alleging politicization of the bureau. Wray cut the questioning short because he said he had to urgently travel. Flight records indicate he flew in the FBI private jet to his vacation retreat in the Adirondacks, according to New York Post columnist Miranda Devine.
Title: FBI need to start wearing body cams
Post by: ccp on August 10, 2022, 08:23:52 AM
security cameras forced off......

maybe it is time that Feds who search personal property should be wearing body cams

like the local police

why are they exempt?



Title: Eric Trump on the raid
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2022, 08:30:08 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11099205/Eric-Trump-reveals-REALLY-happened-FBI-raid.html

Better reporting from the Brits than our Pravdas , , ,
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 10, 2022, 09:44:31 AM
Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com, the former president's son said the 30 agents who arrived at the property asked staff to turn security cameras off – but they refused.

 :-D
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 10, 2022, 09:52:38 AM
I might also add I have noticed
The Daily Mail is more objective then the UK communist version of NYT or WP,
"The Guardian"

who are in jihad against conservatives

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 10, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Agreed.

BTW,

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/trump-shatters-fundraising-records-bidens-fbi-raids-mar-lago/
Title: Re: FBI need to start wearing body cams
Post by: G M on August 10, 2022, 11:58:56 AM
security cameras forced off......

maybe it is time that Feds who search personal property should be wearing body cams

like the local police

why are they exempt?

The same reason they don't record interviews. They want to be able to testify against you without anything contradicting them.
Ask Gen. Flynn how that works.
Title: The FBI would NEVER plant evidence!
Post by: G M on August 10, 2022, 12:03:31 PM
Cernovich Retweeted
Julie Kelly:
Blue checks: THE FBI WOULD NEVER PLANT EVIDENCE

Whitmer defense this am: FBI informant planted explosives material in truck of defendant so FBI could confiscate the evidence upon arrest.

Except when they do.

Coming soon: Deep State Andy explains how manufacturing evidence actually protects individual freedoms.
Title: Kimberly FBI listening devices ?
Post by: ccp on August 11, 2022, 08:28:06 AM
my thoughts exactly

either they planted devices or were retrieving them:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/kimberly-guilfoyle-fbi-listening-devices/2022/08/10/id/1082617/

probably no security cameras in Melania's closet
so another possible reason to go there
though that would be a bit sloppy to place it there now
Title: Trump video, 3 minutes, "A Nation in Decline"
Post by: DougMacG on August 11, 2022, 08:53:32 AM
https://youtu.be/RsOXP-HrNWc    3 minutes long

John Podhoretz (no Trump fan), "the most effective short piece of political communication since Reagan in 1979-80".

Notice what’s not said in this spot:
Nothing about the stolen 2020 election. (Notice also the production techniques, of transitioning from black and white to color about halfway through.)

It’s almost as if Trump knows what he’s doing.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/trump-from-here.php
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 11, 2022, 09:05:44 AM
".It’s almost as if Trump knows what he’s doing."

exactly

crazy delusional maga explanation :

Trump is a genius who set the raid up to generate more support from his base.....


 :roll:

more like he only released the video he had been painfully trying to hold till after an election
[against his demon like urge to fight fight fight
stay in the limelight etc }

more quickly because he could not control it any longer ......

I still wish we did not have Trump as the leader
but now we may be more stuck then before ..... don't know
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on August 11, 2022, 09:12:33 PM
You guys better wrap your heads around the fact that the Deep State isn't EVER going to give up power peacefully.

No matter what.
Title: Who is lying Garland or Trump?
Post by: ccp on August 12, 2022, 01:07:40 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-loses-over-nuclear-docs-130804653.html

I don't trust either.

why didn't he just return the materials if that was the problem?

now we go through the same back and forth while the country rots

oi vey!

he we go again

Title: for yr and half he had these documents?
Post by: ccp on August 12, 2022, 01:39:10 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-removed-eleven-sets-of-classified-documents-during-mar-a-lago-search-report/

so what if he declassified them (so he claims now)

why does he need to have these in Mar a Lago?
nuclear documents ? -  if true

it is hard to believe no one asked to return for a 1 and 1/2 yr and now he states "all they had to do was ask"

I can't believe Trump
here

I just don't know

will have to continue to wait and see

lets just have deSantis as our choice......

 :cry:
Title: Re: for yr and half he had these documents?
Post by: DougMacG on August 12, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
ccp:  "will have to continue to wait and see"


Yes.  It will be a long time,  if ever,  before we know everything.

The accusers start with zero trust.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/trump-investigated-espionage-act-violation-unsealed-fbi-warrant

Like the "golden showers",  the premise is beyond absurd.

The President has the power to declassify.   He couldn't have taken them if he wasn't President at the time.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 12, 2022, 01:56:54 PM
What I'm getting is that

a) As part of the negotiations, the Feds knew where the documents were and that they were under lock and key and that there was no legit concern about them being disappeared;

b) the next logical step was a subpoena, not a search warrant;

c) by way of reference:  https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oann.com%2Ftrump-blasts-fbi-raid-points-out-obama-never-turned-in-his-records%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3bkSbtjmBN-4WsONTlD5qxls_mgxd5UspNGh0EzyKE6O6G4eeiLJmoXz4&h=AT3CHp8YxNioO3bCT-BKNqWsX3v4U7VXKE9HKnd2Raw2RzhVHPjLiVeCJ96QOwYE3uXoRfQWf31wyQapoWQBwd1yqk1OoctNdZBWYPgkE3WiUnyjebo8EAzzEz4A6XGqWg&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT3jSolQGLyEXe4bArBhUXkCqcpbHW8bcfRo4aTEco6erdxYRI1dl5kifcrJJi-OVLzanomPse1Jn38efI132Hr7z_W5pS66_6_va3kSLUq9e-7FnvVUpIlQz6ZucXSa79nqKv0w9qyTLtJoXPExGxKpgPb0ueyVh2mbYVTOIRVMhJva_cBEALbLqxdLgIWVTJORyapdsxo1_Q
Title: John Turley
Post by: ccp on August 12, 2022, 02:04:09 PM
one of my favorite -

when he or she speaks I LISTEN:

stated just earlier on Fox
that a lock on closet door in your home is not sufficient security for high rated top secrets documents

and said there are secure places in local court houses for such things while disputing where they best belong

I can't find a video of him saying that just now

someone was paid informant who knew where these boxes were

another mysterious leaker informant etc .......



Title: They Are Playing With Primal Forces
Post by: G M on August 12, 2022, 09:04:55 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/attempt-prosecute-donald-trump-unleashing-more-our-political-system-can-handle
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 12, 2022, 09:49:57 PM
Trump Has Not Sealed Up Anything

Former President Donald J. Trump takes the stage at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Dallas, Texas, August 6, 2022. (Go Nakamura/Reuters)
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By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY
August 12, 2022 6:30 AM
The former president needs to re-create voters’ iconoclastic thrill of supporting him.
For sheer drama in the Politics section, nothing is better than Donald Trump. Yes, as soon as the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, all the news interest about Ron DeSantis seemed to evaporate instantly. Yes, almost the entire conservative ecosystem immediately shifted into its own “Democracy is Dying” melodrama. Yes, even many Trump-shy Republicans started to speculate that a bit of overreach by the Biden admin would backfire and renew the bond between Trump and Republicans. And yes, Trump is a gift to the media hungry for clicks, ready outrage. Everyone in the White House press corps and on cable news is anxious to sign their second or third deal for a book in lurid red, white, and black colors. On the night of the search, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee said on Hannity, “I hope that right around Christmas, Donald Trump, after these midterms, he announces he will run for president, and we rally around him, and say he is the candidate.”

So is that it? Trump by acclamation?

No. Not quite.

It’s true that populist leaders like Donald Trump do forge unique bonds with their supporters, bonds that transcend merely transactional politics. That is why you hear pro-Trump commentators saying that this wasn’t just an attack on Trump, but on all Americans who support him. And Trump showed that he has the game mastered when he turned around and explained that he now understands how innocent people can plead the Fifth.

But Trump cannot play the victim card all the way to the White House. There is a double-edged nature to his complaints about the 2020 election, or about legal troubles that he is in now. Supporters may instantly sympathize with Trump and intuitively understand why he is undergoing these trials. But Trump needs to show himself triumphing over them to be a credible leader.

Trump will also need to re-create the magic that propelled him in 2016. His supporters anticipated and greatly enjoyed delivering his election as a shock to all of polite Washington, a shock that not only humiliated Democrats, but also humbled many Republicans, too. Trump will have to find a way to make a sequel even more exciting than last time. Part of his 2016 appeal was his willingness to tell truths that Washington would not accept: that America was getting little for the war on terror. Trump needs to re-create the iconoclastic thrill of supporting him, the empowering sense that he is an instrument for crushing the establishment in both parties.

Trump’s first term also will have inevitably disappointed some of the people who projected their hopes onto him. He had promised to “change” once in office and be less outrageous. He didn’t, and many suburban women voters punished him in 2018 and 2020. He promised to fulfill the long-nursed fantasy among some Republicans and many populists to put a businessman at the top of Washington. The economy was good until the pandemic started, but Trump frequently seemed like a boss who had lost control of his underlings. A real boss wouldn’t have let a subordinate department like the FBI soak up so much of his energy.

Finally, Trump needs to be what he was in 2015 and 2016; he needs to run on policies that people like. In his first run, Trump promised to build a wall and revive American manufacturing. He promised to confront China. The fact that the Biden administration is building some parts of the wall and passed the CHIPs act, hoping to kick-start a semiconductor industry in America as a hedge against Chinese adventurism or blockades of Taiwan, is a testament to how successful Trump was at raising the salience of these issues.

But he needs to do it again. DeSantis has shown a keen eye in joining battles that conservatives already feel engaged in — with woke teachers or corporations. But the Trump who won the presidency in 2016 had a talent for feeling out the secret hurts and aspirations of the electorate available to Republicans, especially their wounded pride in their communities.
Title: The right thing to say
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 15, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/15/trump-offers-justice-department-help-country-lower/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=FuugbFIoTTPIfr9DvbqU2LThD7Z%2BbXtlfq7F4b44euDH6CY%2BEu4NCDy0y9wfgPkN&bt_ts=1660580702571
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on August 15, 2022, 01:45:11 PM
“If there is anything we can do to help, I, and my people, would certainly be willing to do that,” Mr. Trump told Fox News Digital. “I will do whatever I can to help the country.”

He said he has “not heard yet” from Justice Department officials whether they will accept his offer.

through
Merrick's proxies:

sign plea bargain  that he will not run in '24 or ever again
then charges will be dropped .....

what in the world could Trump otherwise do that would otherwise satisfy DOJ?



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 15, 2022, 02:27:11 PM
Kabuki theater.
Title: WSJ: Citizen Trump vs. Elaine Chao
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 31, 2022, 04:08:28 PM
Is the WSJ remembering all the facts here?  Wasn't there something about the Chao family scoring a $500M contract with the Chinese to build ships for them? 

Anyway, that aside, IMHO the WSJ scores here:
===================================

Donald Trump’s Vendetta Politics
The former President smears Elaine Chao because her family is ethnic Chinese.
By The Editorial BoardFollow
Aug. 31, 2022 6:44 pm ET


One reason Democrats are thrilled to keep Donald Trump at political center stage is because they know they can count on him to continue his revenge campaign against fellow Republicans. Even by that all-too familiar standard of behavior, the former President’s smears against his former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao are especially ugly.

Mr. Trump has been pursuing a vendetta against Mitch McConnell since the Senate GOP leader denounced the former President’s role in the events of Jan. 6. Mr. Trump calls him “a broken down hack politician,” despite Mr. McConnell’s role in keeping a Supreme Court seat open in 2016 for Mr. Trump to run on. The Court issue was crucial to Mr. Trump’s victory, and Mr. McConnell was indispensable in getting his judicial nominees through the Senate.

***
Mr. McConnell is wise to ignore Mr. Trump’s attacks. But that may be why Mr. Trump has recently dragged in Ms. Chao, who is Mr. McConnell’s wife. On Aug. 20 in a post on Truth Social, his social-media site, Mr. Trump said Mr. McConnell “should spend more time (and money!) helping [Republicans] get elected, and less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China!”


The money line is itself rich since Mr. Trump spends almost none of his own campaign stash helping other Republicans. But the political-action committee affiliated with Mr. McConnell is spending tens of millions to elect candidates Mr. Trump endorsed and who have been struggling in the polls.


On Aug. 24 Mr. Trump escalated with a statement that “The Democrats have Mitch McConnell and his lovely wife, Elaine ‘Coco’ Chao, over a barrel. He and she will never be prosecuted, as per the last paragraphs of this story.” He then linked to a story in The Federalist, an online publication, that was full of guilt by innuendo.

Ms. Chao came to the U.S. as a child from Taiwan, not China. You may have heard there’s a difference. She’s one of six daughters of James S.C. Chao, who founded the Foremost Group, a U.S. shipping company based in New York. It’s an immigrant success story. Ms. Chao’s sister Angela is now CEO, but Elaine is neither an employee nor an owner.

The company specializes in bulk-commodity ships that carry grain and other freight. Foremost Group ships travel often to Chinese ports because much of the world’s commodity trade goes to and from China. The destinations are set by the owner of the commodities. You can’t be in the global shipping business and not travel to Chinese ports.


Some Foremost ships were built in China over the years, but we’re told the company currently has no such contracts. The company does have contracts for ships made in Japan. Angela Chao was also on the board of the Bank of China, a commercial bank, not the central bank. But countless American firms have done business with Chinese companies since the country opened up in the 1980s and there was hope for its economic and political reform.


Those hopes have been undone by President Xi Jinping and his Politburo. But doing business with China remains legal, as Mr. Trump underscored when he struck his “phase one” trade deal with Mr. Xi in 2019. Is Mr. Trump now claiming that any American who does business in China is a traitor or in bed with the Communist Party? It’s hard to believe Mr. Trump would make these accusations if Ms. Chao wasn’t ethnic Chinese.

If he believes what he says, then why did Mr. Trump invite Ms. Chao to join his cabinet? The Foremost Group’s commercial history and business with China were all known at the time. Mr. Trump also praised Ms. Chao for doing “an incredible job” as late in his term as July 2020. In April 2020 he said she was doing a “fantastic job.” Ms. Chao’s real offense, apart from being married to Mr. McConnell, is that she resigned from the cabinet after the Jan. 6 riot. Mr. Trump can’t abide that stand on principle.

Democrats in Congress tried to dig up dirt on Ms. Chao and her family, but they came up empty. They triggered a Department of Transportation Inspector General probe into several charges of misconduct. But in March 2021, after Ms. Chao had left office, the IG report concluded: “This report does not make any conclusion regarding the compliance of the Secretary or any other Federal employee with any ethical principle or rule.” It closed the probe after it found no prosecutorial interest by the Biden Justice Department.

***
Beyond the unfairness to Ms. Chao, all of this relates to Mr. Trump’s role in the GOP. Instead of focusing on President Biden, Mr. Trump cares above all about settling scores with members of his own party. His politics is always about himself, not a larger cause. His vendettas have already hurt Republican prospects in 2022 by blackballing good candidates and letting Democrats divert attention from Mr. Biden’s failures. No wonder Democrats are thrilled to have Mr. Trump around
Title: Re: WSJ: Citizen Trump vs. Elaine Chao
Post by: G M on August 31, 2022, 04:16:26 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/24/trump-is-right-mitch-mcconnell-and-elaine-chao-spent-decades-getting-rich-on-china/

Is the WSJ remembering all the facts here?  Wasn't there something about the Chao family scoring a $500M contract with the Chinese to build ships for them? 

Anyway, that aside, IMHO the WSJ scores here:
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Donald Trump’s Vendetta Politics
The former President smears Elaine Chao because her family is ethnic Chinese.
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One reason Democrats are thrilled to keep Donald Trump at political center stage is because they know they can count on him to continue his revenge campaign against fellow Republicans. Even by that all-too familiar standard of behavior, the former President’s smears against his former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao are especially ugly.

Mr. Trump has been pursuing a vendetta against Mitch McConnell since the Senate GOP leader denounced the former President’s role in the events of Jan. 6. Mr. Trump calls him “a broken down hack politician,” despite Mr. McConnell’s role in keeping a Supreme Court seat open in 2016 for Mr. Trump to run on. The Court issue was crucial to Mr. Trump’s victory, and Mr. McConnell was indispensable in getting his judicial nominees through the Senate.

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Mr. McConnell is wise to ignore Mr. Trump’s attacks. But that may be why Mr. Trump has recently dragged in Ms. Chao, who is Mr. McConnell’s wife. On Aug. 20 in a post on Truth Social, his social-media site, Mr. Trump said Mr. McConnell “should spend more time (and money!) helping [Republicans] get elected, and less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China!”

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On Aug. 24 Mr. Trump escalated with a statement that “The Democrats have Mitch McConnell and his lovely wife, Elaine ‘Coco’ Chao, over a barrel. He and she will never be prosecuted, as per the last paragraphs of this story.” He then linked to a story in The Federalist, an online publication, that was full of guilt by innuendo.

Ms. Chao came to the U.S. as a child from Taiwan, not China. You may have heard there’s a difference. She’s one of six daughters of James S.C. Chao, who founded the Foremost Group, a U.S. shipping company based in New York. It’s an immigrant success story. Ms. Chao’s sister Angela is now CEO, but Elaine is neither an employee nor an owner.

The company specializes in bulk-commodity ships that carry grain and other freight. Foremost Group ships travel often to Chinese ports because much of the world’s commodity trade goes to and from China. The destinations are set by the owner of the commodities. You can’t be in the global shipping business and not travel to Chinese ports.


Some Foremost ships were built in China over the years, but we’re told the company currently has no such contracts. The company does have contracts for ships made in Japan. Angela Chao was also on the board of the Bank of China, a commercial bank, not the central bank. But countless American firms have done business with Chinese companies since the country opened up in the 1980s and there was hope for its economic and political reform.

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Those hopes have been undone by President Xi Jinping and his Politburo. But doing business with China remains legal, as Mr. Trump underscored when he struck his “phase one” trade deal with Mr. Xi in 2019. Is Mr. Trump now claiming that any American who does business in China is a traitor or in bed with the Communist Party? It’s hard to believe Mr. Trump would make these accusations if Ms. Chao wasn’t ethnic Chinese.

If he believes what he says, then why did Mr. Trump invite Ms. Chao to join his cabinet? The Foremost Group’s commercial history and business with China were all known at the time. Mr. Trump also praised Ms. Chao for doing “an incredible job” as late in his term as July 2020. In April 2020 he said she was doing a “fantastic job.” Ms. Chao’s real offense, apart from being married to Mr. McConnell, is that she resigned from the cabinet after the Jan. 6 riot. Mr. Trump can’t abide that stand on principle.

Democrats in Congress tried to dig up dirt on Ms. Chao and her family, but they came up empty. They triggered a Department of Transportation Inspector General probe into several charges of misconduct. But in March 2021, after Ms. Chao had left office, the IG report concluded: “This report does not make any conclusion regarding the compliance of the Secretary or any other Federal employee with any ethical principle or rule.” It closed the probe after it found no prosecutorial interest by the Biden Justice Department.

***
Beyond the unfairness to Ms. Chao, all of this relates to Mr. Trump’s role in the GOP. Instead of focusing on President Biden, Mr. Trump cares above all about settling scores with members of his own party. His politics is always about himself, not a larger cause. His vendettas have already hurt Republican prospects in 2022 by blackballing good candidates and letting Democrats divert attention from Mr. Biden’s failures. No wonder Democrats are thrilled to have Mr. Trump around
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 31, 2022, 06:42:28 PM
Quite the whitewash by the WSJ!!!
Title: Citizen Trump rally in PA 9/3/22
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 04, 2022, 08:50:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzKMx73b14
Title: Citizen Trump's 1998 predictions- pretty amazing, Pravdas befuddled
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 18, 2022, 08:38:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfzYEj_A8rc
Title: Barr sticks up for Trump against NY AG
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 21, 2022, 02:53:49 PM


https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-ag-trump-lawsuit-political-hit-job-lefts-desire-punish-him-bill-barr?fbclid=IwAR0yvVv-UtOhRIyi9RypkOfsnL-aq2t9Bo1-iT4LVloIqsQ4NADKFhRQewA
Title: ET: Citizen Trump says US must confront China over Fentanyl
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 12, 2022, 07:58:05 AM
Trump Says the Biden Administration Must Confront China Over US Fentanyl Crisis
By Frank Fang October 10, 2022
Former President Donald Trump says it is imperative that the Biden administration confronts China now over the U.S. fentanyl crisis.

“Must immediately meet with China on Fentanyl, and what they are doing in pouring it into the U.S. It is ripping our Country apart,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social account on Oct. 6.

Trump estimated the U.S. death rate caused by fentanyl to be around 250,000 people a year. While official reports have indicated the rate to be increasing, the U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported that death involving fentanyl rose 23 percent to 71,238 in 2021. The CDC estimated that a total of 107,622 drug overdose deaths last year.

This crisis “CANNOT CONTINUE,” Trump added.

Fentanyl is now the leading cause of death for Americans aged between 18 and 45, surpassing suicide, car accidents, and COVID-19, according to a December 2021 report from the U.S. advocacy group Families Against Fentanyl.

Most states in the United States are seeing a surge in fentanyl deaths. According to the group’s report published in February, fentanyl fatalities doubled in 30 states, tripled in 15 states, and nearly five times in six states, in the last two years. Alaska, Colorado, Louisiana, Mississippi, California, and Texas are the six states seeing a nearly five-fold increase in fentanyl deaths.

Epoch Times Photo
U.S. Customs and Border Protection seized approximately 47,000 rainbow-colored fentanyl pills, 186,000 blue fentanyl pills, and 6.5 pounds of meth hidden in a floor compartment of a vehicle at the Nogales port of entry on the southern border with Mexico on Sept. 3, 2022. (U.S. Customs and Border Protection)

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is 100 times more potent than morphine and 50 times stronger than heroin.

Trump’s urgent call came a week after China’s ambassador to the United States Qin Gang defended the Chinese regime in an interview with Newsweek, saying that the U.S. fentanyl crisis “was not created by China.”

Qin accused “some Americans” and the U.S. media of making “false and misleading claims” about how “China is the primary source of fentanyl in the United States.”

Last month, Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) told The Epoch Times’ sister media outlet NTD that Qin has tried to lobby congressmen sitting on the House Intelligence Committee, getting them to defect blame away from China for causing the flow of illicit fentanyl into America.

China
Qin’s claims are not supported by facts, considering findings by two U.S. government reports.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), in its January 2020 report (pdf), laid out clearly that China was the “primary source” of fentanyl trafficked into the United States.

“China remains the primary source of fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances trafficked through international mail and express consignment operations environment, as well as the main source for all fentanyl-related substances trafficked into the United States,” the DEA report says.

Eight months before the publication of the DEA report, the Chinese regime designated fentanyl and many of its analogs as controlled substances, meaning that the production and sales of these opioids would be banned.

The DEA officials expressed optimism about the communist regime’s drug control measure, saying in the report that it had the “potential to severely limit fentanyl production and trafficking from China.”

But in February, the Commission on Combating Synthetic Opioid Trafficking, established by the 2020 defense policy bill, published a report saying that transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) in Mexico are buying precursor chemicals from China.

“Instead of shipping finished product to the United States, chemical and pharmaceutical businesses (or individuals within them) in the PRC [People’s Republic of China] either knowingly or unknowingly started sending other, controlled and uncontrolled chemical precursors from the PRC to Mexican TCOs that illegally synthesize fentanyl for U.S. markets,” the Commission’s report says.

The report singled out two particular TCOs—the Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel.

The report added that Chinese regional officials “eschew enforcement” of the drug control measure and other regulatory efforts because they have a greater interest in seeing pharmaceutical and chemical sectors in their regions grow, which prop up local economies. Moreover, corruption could also have played a role in diminishing the ban’s effectiveness in fentanyl production, according to the report.

“They [China] need to take industry oversight and enforcement of rules more seriously. Authorities will need to penalize those who break rules or continue to engage in illegal activity,” the report says.

With precursor chemicals from China, the two Mexico cartels can make “an unlimited amount” of fentanyl, DEA Administrator Anne Milgram told CBS in August. She added that the two TCOs “are killing Americans with fentanyl at catastrophic and record rates like we have never seen before.”

“We have to stop it before it comes from China to Mexico to the U.S.,” Milgram said.

Biden’s Border
U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) seized 12,303 pounds of fentanyl during the current fiscal year, which started in October last year. That amount was up from 10,586 pounds of seized fentanyl in the fiscal year 2021, 4,558 pounds in the fiscal year 2020, and 2,633 pounds in the fiscal year 2019.

On Oct. 4, DEA agents announced that a New Jersey woman had been arrested in Manhattan, who was concealing 15,000 candy-colored fentanyl pills inside a LEGO box. The DEA said it was the largest fentanyl bust ever in New York City.

Many Republican lawmakers say President Joe Biden’s border policies are fueling the lethal influx of fentanyl.

Some GOP lawmakers have introduced bills aimed at tackling the fentanyl crisis. In September, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas) introduced legislation that would make the distribution of fentanyl resulting in death a felony murder offense.

On Sep. 30, Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) introduced a bill that would grant agents within the Homeland Security Investigations, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, independent authority to enforce America’s drug laws.

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has said that Republican lawmakers will act decisively to deal with the crisis, should the GOP retake Congress in November.

“The number of Americans dying from Chinese fentanyl amounts to a commercial jet crashing every single day,” McCarthy wrote on Twitter on Sept. 16.

“This is a crisis. China must be held accountable—and Republicans will act decisively if we are entrusted with a majority in the next Congress.”
Title: Trump "announcement "
Post by: ccp on October 25, 2022, 08:55:13 AM
"https://republicbrief.com/crowd-erupts-at-trump-rally-after-trump-makes-presidential-announcement/"

every time he speaks we are to read he has announcement

just announce he is running already and get it over with
stop. playing dumb ass games

please give us DeSantis

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 25, 2022, 09:05:17 AM
I saw he made some asinine comment at a recent rally along the lines of arresting someone and sending them to jail/prison where rape/fear of rape would get them to talk or something like that.
Title: Re: Trump "announcement "
Post by: DougMacG on October 25, 2022, 09:15:18 AM
"https://republicbrief.com/crowd-erupts-at-trump-rally-after-trump-makes-presidential-announcement/"

every time he speaks we are to read he has announcement

just announce he is running already and get it over with
stop. playing dumb ass games

please give us DeSantis

There are some legalities about formally declaring candidacy.  Also politically, we don't need to feed the narrative this midterm is a referendum on Trump.

He is making his intentions to run clear.  I no longer think that will clear the field.  For one thing, Trump proved it takes two terms, with a willing Congress, to get anything good and lasting done.  He had two years...

Trump needs his new candidacy to make sure his inevitable legal issues all look political.

Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit blog) mentioned preferring DeSantis for the reason above, it takes two terms.

Trump started his mission to drain the swamp without really knowing one person of like mind who could take their place.  At least DeSantis has run a major state and hopefully can assemble a team.
Title: Citizen Trump on alcohol
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 03, 2022, 07:25:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Zw2fUlmxg&t=3s
Title: who would ever have thought?
Post by: ccp on November 04, 2022, 01:23:13 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/04/report-donald-trump-considering-november-14-date-2024-campaign-announcement/

caveat emptor - vanity fair piece - Trump - DeSantis :

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/donald-trump-ron-desantis-florida-rally

but we know Trump hates DeSantis who has (wisely in MHO) not sucked up to him
as he does with everyone .
Title: So much for the Trump-DeSantis ticket?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 06, 2022, 02:05:20 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-promotes-new-nickname-for-ron-desantis-before-sunday-florida-rally/ar-AA13MBxx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fe48743b2c5d41e78560d2386c9fd723

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/right-wingers-turn-on-trump-for-mocking-desantis/ar-AA13MVaE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4964ba8b07be4622b93a3fd8bcb4a60b
Title: Re: So much for the Trump-DeSantis ticket?
Post by: DougMacG on November 06, 2022, 06:44:27 AM
Citizen Trump is making or about to make two big mistakes that will affect his political future.
1)  Calling his R (potential) opponents names again means he hasn't grown since 2016,
2)  If he announces for President, that timeframe may very well be AFTER the Georgia runoffs in December.  He screwed up Georgia last time costing Republicans the Senate and Americans the economy and more.   Don't screw this up again.  Trump is not liked in Georgia and Georgia, in this cycle, is mission critical to the nation.

When he was President, I argued his interests were same as America's.  As a candidate if he puts his personal strategy ahead of the party and the country I, for one, will not forgive him.

Trump clearly wants to be an announced candidate at the time his (wrongful?) indictments come down making them political.  At least until it happens that's not our problem.  Keeping the focus on the Biden-Warnock economy until the mid term is called is priority one, and will affect the governability of the nation for the next 6 years.  If Trump can't grasp that and put himself second to that for a month, he will lose support again.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 06, 2022, 07:37:03 AM
Assuming they happen, when are the GA runoffs?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 06, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
"When he was President, I argued his interests were same as America's.  As a candidate if he puts his personal strategy ahead of the party and the country I, for one, will not forgive him."

Watched his rally in Pa last night on Newmax

it seemed like the whole first hour before he even got subject of Mastriano and Oz
was about HIS grievances - "they raided my beautiful home "  and , they even went through Ivana's [bleep] next to her dress and her gorgeous high heels "

 :roll:

still looking like he is way ahead of competitors for '24.
 :cry:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 06, 2022, 02:06:49 PM
My wife will vote against him in the primaries, and likely I will too.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 06, 2022, 02:33:30 PM
I will
not sure about my wife but probably

what about your mother ?

Title: Citizen Trump: Enough about me. What do you think about me?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 06, 2022, 02:46:31 PM
My mom is getting too old to follow these things.
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Donald Trump Rallies for . . . Donald Trump
Even before the midterms, he’s mocking his potential presidential competitors, Ron DeSantis and Mike Pence.
By The Editorial Board
WSJ
Nov. 6, 2022 4:36 pm ET




Donald Trump’s allies are saying the former President who lost in 2020 is going to announce as early as next week that he’s running for the White House again in 2024. In case you doubt it, Mr. Trump is already mocking his fellow Republicans and potential competitors before Tuesday’s midterm election.

Mr. Trump held a rally Saturday in Latrobe, Pa., ostensibly to boost turnout for GOP Senate candidate Mehmet Oz and nominee for Governor, Doug Mastriano. Mr. Trump endorsed both men in the primaries, and Mr. Mastriano is trailing in the polls. Mr. Oz is in a tight race with Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, and his defeat could cost the GOP control of the Senate. There’s little doubt that David McCormick, who lost narrowly to Mr. Oz after Mr. Trump’s endorsement, would be winning handily against the far-left Mr. Fetterman.

But as usual with Mr. Trump, the rally turned out to be less for Mr. Oz than for . . . himself. During the rally Mr. Trump showed the results of a recent poll for the GOP presidential nomination in 2024.

“We’re winning big, big, big in the Republican Party for the nomination like nobody’s ever seen before,” Mr. Trump said as the numbers went on screen. “There it is, Trump at 71. Ron DeSanctimonious at 10%.”


That was a shot at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is running for re-election in Florida, which is now Mr. Trump’s home state. Mr. DeSantis is ahead in the polls, but the election isn’t over. Perhaps Mr. Trump thinks that if he can reduce the Governor’s margin of victory on Tuesday Mr. DeSantis will be less likely to challenge him for the nomination.

Mr. Trump kept going, mocking his former Vice President, who is also considering a run for the White House. “Mike Pence at 7—oh, Mike’s doing better than I thought,” he said.

Then he brought up Ted Cruz, the Texas Senator who ran against Mr. Trump in 2016 and could run again.

“Ted Cruz is doing a good job, by the way. He didn’t like me for a while but we got to be friends, right? Could’ve put him on the Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump said. “If I’d put him on the Supreme Court, I would have had 100% of the people in the Senate voting in favor, to move him out. Okay? Even the Democrats would’ve voted for him. Okay? But he’s great and he’s smart and he’s good.” That shot at Mr. Cruz’s unlikability is best understood as a warning not to run or Mr. Trump will return to calling him “lyin’ Ted.”

Mr. Trump wants to clear the GOP presidential field, and he knows that Mr. DeSantis has emerged in the last two years as his strongest potential opponent. A declaration so soon after the election, if he does declare next week, will also be an attempt to deter a possible Justice Department indictment.


But his focus on his own prospects, and criticizing his fellow Republicans even before a crucial midterm election, is one more reminder that Mr. Trump’s only abiding principle is what’s good for Donald Trump.
Title: Georgia Runoff
Post by: DougMacG on November 06, 2022, 07:06:30 PM
Assuming they happen, when are the GA runoffs?

Georgia Runoff:  Dec. 6, 2022
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/19/potential-senate-georgia-runoff-elections-explained/10542142002/

Herschel (or the socialist) needs 50% + 1 vote or this goes to runoff.
Title: Trump : if Desantis runs he can hurt himself badly
Post by: ccp on November 08, 2022, 01:29:00 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/11/08/trump-warns-desantis-he-could-hurt-himself-very-badly-by-running-in-2024/

" Trump then threatened to expose some dirt on his fellow Republican.  I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife,” Trump said without elaborating.

he says this on election day ?

mark my words - if trump is elected he will bring us down in a second term


Title: Re: Trump : if Desantis runs he can hurt himself badly
Post by: DougMacG on November 08, 2022, 05:25:52 PM
"mark my words - if trump is elected he will bring us down in a second term"


   - I actually think he might govern well in a second term but we can't take 6+ more years of his lips moving.

Title: OMFG
Post by: ccp on November 09, 2022, 06:40:39 AM
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-11-08/as-america-votes-trump-sows-doubt-in-election-results
Title: Michael Goodwin NYPost columnist
Post by: ccp on November 09, 2022, 07:16:57 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/ron-desantis-shows-hes-future-of-the-gop/
Title: Re: Michael Goodwin NYPost columnist
Post by: DougMacG on November 09, 2022, 07:50:49 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/ron-desantis-shows-hes-future-of-the-gop/

Yes, great night personally for DeSantis (and Rubio), but red states red and blue states blue doesn't mean he could win nationwide.  Pockets of good news, far, far away from me, but I find this election result overall to be the most disturbing of my lifetime.
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"To think we could beat a stroked out person with heart failure who walks around with a hoodie and never had a real job ....

people could simply not stomach Oz"



   - Maybe yes on both but I think no.  I think Fetterman in his verbal nonsense, like Biden, made clear he would be a reliable Dem vote and Oz made clear he would be a reliable R vote.  And Pennsylvania chose the former and so goes the nation.

How could it be more clear today, in all 50 states, that Dem policies lead to failure?

People want failure.  People want economic carnage, out of control inflation, gangs and fentanyl in control of the border and the country, I don't know how to stop it.

It may still turn out Republicans take both the House and Senate, but this is still the biggest disappointment in memory.

If these circumstances don't change liberal leanings, what will?  Nothing.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 09, 2022, 08:28:16 AM
agree

""To think we could beat a stroked out person with heart failure who walks around with a hoodie and never had a real job ...."

of course I meant we could NOT beat...."

I knew we were in for a disappointing night when I went to be ~ 10:30 pm and the CNN were smiling and jolly .

Doug wrote :

"- I actually think he might govern well in a second term but we can't take 6+ more years of his lips moving."

his policies match my values
but he cannot govern well

bullying endless confrontation etc is not governing......

he never had even 45% approval nationally has he

even W back in '04 was over 50 % vs Kerry

but it may too far gone now
with all the foreign born, the ballot harvesting
prolonged election periods
and the media tech in the mix ......

I think if we rid of Trump we have a better shot
next time

new glass ceiling cracked - first Senator to wear hoodie in Senate chamber -    Lord - save us .
Title: WSJ: Tired of Losing so much
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 09, 2022, 07:08:28 PM
Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser
He has now flopped in 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022.
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Former President Donald Trump speaks during an Election Night at Mar-a-Lago event in Palm Beach, Nov. 8.
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What will Democrats do when Donald Trump isn’t around to lose elections? We have to wonder because on Tuesday Democrats succeeded again in making the former President a central campaign issue, and Mr. Trump helped them do it.

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Trumpy Republican candidates failed at the ballot box in states that were clearly winnable. This can’t be what Mr. Trump was envisioning ahead of his “very big announcement” next week. Yet maybe the defeats are what the party needs to hear before 2024.

Looking at the Senate map, the message could not be clearer. In New Hampshire, the Trump-endorsed Republican Don Bolduc lost to Sen. Maggie Hassan, 53% to 45%, as of the latest data. At the same time voters re-elected Republican Gov. Chris Sununu by 16 points.

“Don Bolduc was a very nice guy, but he lost tonight when he disavowed, after his big primary win, his longstanding stance on Election Fraud,” Mr. Trump said. “Had he stayed strong and true, he would have won, easily.” We doubt New Hampshire voters simply wanted Mr. Bolduc to stay kooky.

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In Arizona the Trump-endorsed Republican Blake Masters trails Sen. Mark Kelly, 51% to 47%. This is a state successful Gov. Doug Ducey won by 14 points in 2018. Mr. Ducey could have won the Senate seat, but Mr. Trump pledged to go to war with him because Mr. Ducey refused to entertain 2020 fraud theories.

In Pennsylvania, the Trump-endorsed Republican Mehmet Oz lost to John Fetterman, 51% to 47%. This is a tough state for the GOP. But Mr. Fetterman was a weak candidate: He’s a lefty with a record of wanting Medicare for All and a ban on fracking, and he’s recovering from a stroke. David McCormick would have been a better Republican nominee, but he wouldn’t say the 2020 election was stolen, so Mr. Trump endorsed Mr. Oz.

In Georgia, the Trump-endorsed Republican Herschel Walker trails Sen. Raphael Warnock, 49.4% to 48.5%. This is going to a December runoff, which Mr. Walker could win. But Gov. Brian Kemp won re-election by eight points. Mr. Walker’s flaws as a candidate were obvious, but Mr. Trump helped clear the primary field and other candidates opted out.


In Ohio the Trump-endorsed Republican J.D. Vance won a solid victory over Rep. Tim Ryan, 53% to 47%, while Republican Gov. Mike DeWine won by 26 points. Mr. Vance was a poor fundraiser. As of Oct. 19 he’d pulled in $12 million to Mr. Ryan’s $47 million. What saved him was $32 million from the Senate Leadership Fund (SLF), a Super Pac aligned with Mitch McConnell. Mr. Vance trailed in the polls until mid-October.

Doug Mastriano, Pennsylvania’s Trump-endorsed gubernatorial choice, lost by 14 points. Tim Michels in Wisconsin and Tudor Dixon in Michigan fumbled winnable gubernatorial races. Also in Michigan, Mr. Trump helped John Gibbs beat GOP Rep. Peter Meijer in the primary in the Grand Rapids seat because Mr. Meijer voted to impeach him. Mr. Gibbs lost by 13 points. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler also voted to impeach Mr. Trump, who helped Joe Kent beat her in a primary. Mr. Kent is trailing in that Washington state district.

Mr. Trump could have stayed quiet in the final weeks of the campaign except to spend money to help his candidates. But he did little of the latter and instead staged rallies that played into Democratic hands. His rally in Latrobe last week might have hurt Mr. Oz with suburban voters who cost Mr. Trump the state in 2020.

Since his unlikely victory in 2016 against the widely disliked Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump has a perfect record of electoral defeat. The GOP was pounded in the 2018 midterms owing to his low approval rating. Mr. Trump himself lost in 2020. He then sabotaged Georgia’s 2021 runoffs by blaming party leaders for not somehow overturning his defeat. That gave Democrats control of the Senate, letting President Biden pump up inflation with a $1.9 trillion Covid bill, appoint a liberal Supreme Court Justice, and pass a $700 billion climate spending hash.

Now Mr. Trump has botched the 2022 elections, and it could hand Democrats the Senate for two more years. Mr. Trump had policy successes as President, including tax cuts and deregulation, but he has led Republicans into one political fiasco after another.

“We’re going to win so much,” Mr. Trump once said, “that you’re going to get sick and tired of winning.” Maybe by now Republicans are sick and tired of losing.
Title: Trump on next week’s announcement: ‘Why would anything change?’
Post by: DougMacG on November 09, 2022, 08:24:17 PM
Trump on next week’s announcement: ‘Why would anything change?’
   - The Hill

The GA runoff, you egocentric moron.  For the same reason he waited until after the midterms, ... NEXT WEEK IS NOT AFTER THE MIDTERMS. 

I watched PBS part of the election night.  Their 'experts' were saying Walker had the advantage in the runoff IF control of the Senate is on the line because Georgia is a red state.  (cf. Kemp won by 8 points.)

We want a referendum on Biden, not on Trump.

So DT, just STFU for a few weeks, for the country, and for your next administration should you win.  Blow this (again) and you leave the stage in shame (again).
Title: MSM "Trump advisors " saying ship is sinking
Post by: ccp on November 10, 2022, 10:25:31 AM
Trump is raging
ship sinking

Trump yelling at everyone

always on lib stations from *unnamed " " advisers"

a high up source told Acosta or Haberman ..... yada yada
Title: Life after Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 10, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2022/11/life-after-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR1I7LSAN9lVweLKrO7PxoXwCni9n1UZK9PrQUkYfDdK_0-YZUUJEBMuqLw
Title: Dems pray for Trump to declare
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 10, 2022, 01:50:34 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/nov/10/you-can-do-it-georgia-dems-want-trump-launch-2024-/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=evening&utm_term=evening&utm_content=evening&bt_ee=0dZ%2BfJgDZprmwU81bkFiWSmljrBj%2FyviwP78zEiqQvwzbPQGjNrW0gERWSQb6SCw&bt_ts=1668115535808
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 10, 2022, 02:14:04 PM
"Georgia Dems welcome idea of Trump launching 2024 bid"

I didn't think that the Dems trying to make the election about Trump would work

but I read that in the battle ground states Dems actually backed the Trump candidate
and most if not all lost

he never got over 45 % ever
in polling

a person who can really govern and get over 50% in this country today - not sure if possible
but we must thrive to do that.

that could be a good goal


Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 11, 2022, 05:32:32 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-escalates-criticism-of-ron-desantis-with-new-attacks/ar-AA13YJ5L?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=524335511b1f4ee58fbe31fd6c0e139d
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 11, 2022, 05:46:41 AM
no doubt he will announce his run

and here we go

all over again
Title: no end in site with the wacko
Post by: ccp on November 11, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
not the way to woo oriental voters

https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-turns-rage-on-va-gov-youngkin-says-name-sounds-chinese/

time for the RNC to step up
before he does any more damage to us

he will only get more crazy as time goes on and he feels like a threatened little boy

 :-(
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 11, 2022, 09:38:35 AM
no doubt he will announce his run
and here we go
all over again


It's different this time. He is doing all this from a position of weakness, and it shows.  Looks to me like he lost more than half his base in the midterms, which was already far less than half the nation.

Both he and McConnell put themselves above party and country.

Trump was waiting until after the midterms.  Guess what, it's not after the midterms. 

Screwing up the Georgia runoff and the US Senate, again, draws attention to the fact he screwed it all up last time.  He put self before party and country and many of us won't forgive him.

Calling DeSantis "DeSanctimonious" and taking credit for his success is cheap and petty, and it shows.  Endorsing The gubernatorial candidate is what he was supposed to do.   It helped bring DeSantis a very narrow victory, while on his own he earned a giant one.

"Average Governor"? DeSantis is an agent of change and stood up to the wrongful policies of the Biden administration.  He won a swing state by a million and a half votes - while the rest of the nation is stuck in their old habits.

Trump is not dealing with Jeb Bush this time or Bush fatigue or the label he put on him that Jeb couldn't shake.  It's Trump fatigue this time versus the shiny newcomer.  Advantage DeSantis.  Trump actually elevates him by doing this.

The betting odds tell the story that Trump already knows.  DeSantis is now in favor and Trump is tanking.
Wide screen, must scroll right to see the names and the trend:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhH126TXwAA4k1-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Citizen Trump vs. Candace Owens
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 11, 2022, 07:44:42 PM
https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/3043340/flame-war-vax-pushing-trump-vs-candace-owens
Title: jeff lord: why promote Desantis> The left will go after him the same as DJT
Post by: ccp on November 11, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
https://spectator.org/desantis-trump-myth/

some one once posted the same argument against DeSantis (or ANY republican )

this argument is  flawed and the thinking of a loser.

We need a candidate who could gain over 50% approval .  I don't know if DeSantis can but Trump certainly has never demonstrated he can.

Morris keeps telling us how Trump has proven himself.
What that he can get 45 % of the vote (at most) while only able to win if he gets enough electoral college votes while always losing the popular vote ?

We are already assuming (with him at least) we will never win the popular vote .  That is losing mindset at the start.

We can and must pursue winning
not only the electoral college but also the popular vote.

Lets start with that
problem with Trump IS his personality



Title: AMcC: Trump is fuct
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 12, 2022, 08:16:05 AM
Trump Makes His Indictment a Certainty

Former president Donald Trump speaks in support of candidates Doug Mastriano and Mehmet Oz at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., September 3, 2022. (Andrew Kelly/Reuters)
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If the former president is no longer a viable candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, then the Biden DOJ has no incentive not to charge him.
When we recorded the McCarthy Report on Thursday, I told Rich Lowry I was still pegging at 70 percent or higher the likelihood that former president Donald Trump would be indicted by the Justice Department. A day later, I’m now certain he’ll be indicted. The question is whether it will be just one indictment or more.

Trump has jumped the shark, as the kids used to say. His gratuitous attacks on two successful, popular Republican governors — both of whom, unlike him, could conceivably defeat President Biden or some other Democratic nominee in the 2024 election — have ended his chances of capturing the GOP presidential nomination two years from now. If the rant aimed at Florida’s Ron DeSantis wasn’t bizarre enough for you, the one launched at Virginia’s Glenn Youngkin was certain to be described as racist in our current age of hair-trigger sensitivity — though, for what it’s worth, I sense that the former president is losing his grip and that the racism charge assumes that more thought went into his “Young kin . . . Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?” eruction than actually did.

As we discussed on the podcast, I’d already concluded that Trump had worn out his welcome. What was amusingly outrageous and boldly anti-conventional in 2015–16 is now just tired — more moronic than cringe-making because he long ago exhausted our capacity for cringing.

What does this have to do with his potential indictment, which is more a question of when than if at this point? Well, everything.

The Justice Department would prefer to make a January 6 case against Trump. Prosecutors are pushing in that direction, but it’s a tough case to make (the meanderings of California federal judge David O. Carter notwithstanding). They can’t tie Trump actionably to the violence of the riot, and they’ve already taken the position in other January 6 prosecutions that he was not a co-conspirator, just a pretext for a forcible attack that militia-type groups were already planning. That leaves the possibility of indicting him for obstruction of Congress and conspiracy to defraud the United States, but such charges would raise profound questions about whether the Justice Department was, in effect, criminalizing political speech and the far-fetched legal theories of John Eastman et al.

While that investigation marches on, though, Trump has given Democrats a gift: The Mar-a-Lago documents case, which arose due to bouts of gratuitous, self-destructive behavior similar to what we’ve seen the last couple of days, is a comparative slam dunk. That’s why a magistrate-judge authorized a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago upon finding probable cause that Trump had committed three felonies (mishandling classified information, conversion of government documents, and obstruction) — based on which the FBI conducted a search that yielded scads of incriminating documents, thereby making the case even stronger.

Given all of this, prosecutors are doubtless convinced that they have a case they could indict at any time. But they have also taken actions in recent weeks that underscore how serious they are about prosecuting the former president.

For example, they gave immunity to Kash Patel, a top Trump aide and former administration official, in order to force him to testify in the grand jury about his dubious public claims that Trump had declassified the highly sensitive documents he foolishly hoarded at his Palm Beach, Fla., estate. Prosecutors hate to confer immunity, which in most cases eliminates the possibility of prosecuting the immunized person; they do it only when they believe it necessary to make a criminal case against a more significant target.

The Justice Department has also taken legal steps to force testimony about potentially privileged conversations from two high-ranking Trump White House lawyers, Pat Cipollone and Pat Philbin. (The DOJ had already gotten grand-jury testimony from Marc Short and Greg Jacob, two top aides to former vice president Mike Pence.) Ordinarily, the Justice Department, in its capacity as the chief counsel for the executive branch, takes pains to avoid setting precedents that could undermine executive privilege and the principle that top executive officials are generally immune from testifying about the activities of the administrations they served. Yet here, caution is being thrown to the wind. This is rational only if the Biden Justice Department has decided that prosecuting Trump is worth the risk of making law that could redound to the detriment of the incumbent and future presidents.

And let’s not forget Atlanta. Fulton County district attorney Fani Willis, a partisan Democrat, is working toward a potential racketeering case against Trump and his allies for pressuring Georgia officials to invalidate Biden’s narrow popular-election victory in the state. If Trump is going to be charged in any event, the Biden Justice Department will want to be in the lead, not playing second fiddle to Willis and potentially having its case damaged if her office makes a hash of things.

All of these indicators — and they are not the only ones — point to a federal indictment of the former president. That’s why I’ve rated it a high probability. There has always been one factor pushing in the other direction, though: electoral politics. Democrats want Trump to be the 2024 GOP nominee. On that score, they have been understandably confident that he could win the Republican nomination and that they would then crush him in the general election — where his presence on the ticket would supercharge Democratic turnout, raising the realistic possibility of complete Democratic control of Congress, in addition to the White House.

For all the vigor the Biden Justice Department is clearly pouring into the effort to build criminal cases against Trump, the administration would undoubtedly rather run against him.

These two possible outcomes are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Still, for as long as it appeared that the Republican presidential primaries would end in Trump’s routing the field, or at least remaining competitive to the end, the Biden administration had an incentive to table any Trump indictment. If the DOJ were to charge Trump while the Republican primaries were ongoing, that would give Republicans — all but the most delusional Trump cultists — the final push they needed to abandon Trump and turn to a different candidate, who could (and probably would) defeat Biden (or some other Democrat) in November 2024. Of course, once Trump had the nomination sewn up, the Biden administration could indict him at any time, whether before or after defeating him in the general election.

Just as this calculus motivates the Justice Department to delay any indictment, it provides a powerful incentive for Trump to run — and, indeed, to launch a campaign early (maybe as early as next week) so he is positioned to claim that a likely future indictment is just a politicized weaponization of law enforcement aimed at taking out Biden’s arch-enemy.

Yet, again, all of these calculations have hinged on one thing: Trump’s remaining a plausible Republican nominee. And he’s not one anymore.

Though it may not yet have been obvious on Wednesday, Trump’s culpability in the GOP’s disastrously poor midterm showing — the much-anticipated red wave’s reduction to a red ripple — had already turned the tide away from him. Many of my friends believed it had knocked him down to a merely formidable candidate rather than the prohibitive favorite. I’d have gone further, taking the view that there were now enough fed-up Trump supporters and Republicans who adamantly oppose Trump that he would not only lose the primary but probably be knocked out early. When I assumed he was still thinking rationally, I supposed that Trump knew this, too — I figured he was mainly running in hopes of staving off indictment and trying to get his media venture (which is facing an uphill financing challenge and a possible securities-fraud investigation) up and running.

All of that is academic now. Trump is toast after his unhinged tirades against DeSantis and Youngkin. Attacking such unpopular Republicans as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger is one thing, and attacking Mitch McConnell (or was it “Coco Chow”?) is just par for the course. But going after DeSantis and Youngkin, accomplished rising stars who give the disheartened GOP hope that better times may be around the corner, is just flat-out nuts. And nobody who’s not flat-out nuts wants any part of flat-out nuts.

If Trump is not a viable candidate for the GOP nomination, then his political usefulness to Democrats is deeply diminished, and federal prosecutors will see no reason not to indict him as soon as they have all their evidentiary ducks in a row. They certainly don’t want Fani Willis or some other ambitious Democratic state prosecutor to beat them to the punch. So at this point, we’re down to the matter of whether the Biden Justice Department can make the January 6 case, or whether it contents itself with the strong Mar-a-Lago case.

As Rich and I discussed on the podcast, some calculate that an indictment of Trump would revive him politically. There is a certain surface appeal to this view, but it is ultimately wrong. It would be right if we were talking about allegations akin to those at issue in Russiagate — a manufactured political narrative substituting for evidence. Such a baseless case would make Trump stronger, because it would be a patent abuse of prosecutorial power.

But here we are talking about actual, egregious misconduct. A January 6 prosecution of Trump might be a reach legally, but the country was repulsed by the Capitol riot — as compared to being bemused, then annoyed, by the fever dream of Trump–Russia “collusion.” As for the Mar-a-Lago probe, Trump has handed the Justice Department on a silver platter simple crimes that are serious and easy to understand. Beyond that, the DOJ also has a convincing story to tell: The government didn’t want to do it this way; National Archives officials pleaded with Trump to surrender the classified material voluntarily, asking for it back multiple times even after it became clear that he was hoarding it; the DOJ resorted to a search warrant only when Trump defied a grand-jury subpoena (with his lawyers’ falsely representing that there were no more classified documents in Trump’s possession other than the ones they’d returned); even then, prosecutors went through a judge to get the warrant rather than acting on their own; and even after the search, there remain significant concerns that classified information is still missing. Even someone initially sympathetic to Trump who did not want to see a former president get prosecuted would have to stop and ask, “What else were they supposed to do when he was being so lawlessly unreasonable, and when national security could be imperiled if classified intelligence falls into the wrong hands?”

The cases the DOJ is now investigating are nothing like Russiagate. They can’t be dismissed as a hoax. Trump is not going to be helped politically by prosecutions that most people will see as meritorious, even if the prospect of a prosecution and the soapbox it will give the former president rub them the wrong way.

The tricky question is whether Attorney General Garland will appoint a special counsel. There are reports that he is contemplating doing so, in order to give himself some insulation from the inevitable claim that politics is driving the Trump investigations. This would be smoke-and-mirrors: A special counsel would still report to the AG, and there are plenty of well-regarded former prosecutors who are Democratic (or at least anti-Trump), such that there would be no substantive difference between a special counsel and the Biden DOJ prosecutors now running the investigation — many of whom would no doubt get themselves appointed on the special counsel’s staff.

Here’s Garland’s problem, though: If he were to appoint a special counsel for Trump, he would come under intense pressure — including from House oversight committees that will likely soon be in Republican control — to appoint a special counsel for what should be called “the Biden family investigation” but is branded the “Hunter Biden investigation” for trivialization purposes. Rest assured that President Biden does not want a special counsel who might actually conduct an independent investigation of the millions of dollars from foreign sources (some hostile to the U.S.) that were generated by leveraging his political influence. Note, moreover, Garland’s repeated insistence that there is no need for a special counsel because the “Hunter” probe is in the capable hands of David Weiss, the Delaware U.S. attorney to whom the Trump Justice Department assigned the case. (Of course, Weiss doesn’t report to the Trump Justice Department anymore, does he?)

I suspect that Garland will forgo a Trump special counsel in order to make his refusal to appoint one for Biden (a matter in which he has an actual, profound conflict) appear more even-handed. That would be a tougher call if Trump were a viable GOP presidential candidate, and if there were a realistic possibility that an indictment of Trump would look like partisanship rather than good-faith law enforcement. But by his bizarre behavior, the former president has negated such considerations.

You don’t have to like this. I don’t like it. I was really hoping Donald Trump would see the light and think better of a presidential run, and that the Biden Justice Department would decide that the downsides of a Trump prosecution — the reminder of the DOJ’s comparative kid-glove treatment of Hillary Clinton, the deepening of the partisan divide over our two-tiered justice system — outweighed any law-enforcement benefits. Alas, this is not a matter of what we’d like, but of what we should expect will happen. Trump has seen to that.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 12, 2022, 08:29:23 AM
the minute he announces we will

see the endless 24/7 DOJ investigations leaks reports

grandstanding by shysters

and media shysters (media burnett cooper wallace etc )

attacking him day and night

they likely are only holding till he announces

hey his announcing is great for DEms great for corporate media

Title: Citizen Trump vs. Candace Owens 2.0
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 12, 2022, 09:21:36 AM
Begin at 02:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEeqggxG0Y&t=37s
Title: Re: Citizen Trump vs. Candace Owens 2.0
Post by: DougMacG on November 14, 2022, 08:47:44 AM
Begin at 02:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEeqggxG0Y&t=37s

Strange behavior by the ex-President.  Can't keep track of who is allies are.  Must feel the indictment(s) coming.

Tatum and Owens responded appropriately.  Youngkin said, "I don't roll that way".  DeSantis ignored Trumps jabs.

It's time for new leadership.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 14, 2022, 09:33:28 AM
I noticed on Levin last night
they referred to the leader of the Repub party but would not mention Trump by name

Mark has been a big supporter of Trump

but I think he has FINALLY come to my conclusion

Trump will bring us down
I cannot see him winning  in '24
but of course what do I know 2 y from now

do any of us really want to go through 2 more yrs of defending this guy no matter what?
( I am panicky at the thought)

I would rather defend our principles

not HIM.

There are others beside DeSantis who could emerge

who will have much better chance of winning
over 50%

in m very humbles opinion.



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 14, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
ccp:  "I would rather defend our principles
not HIM."


I've been confronted by liberal friends and acquaintances so many times,
"Do you (really) support Trump?"

My answer has been:
"I have a set of principles and I judge these people by whether they support me, not the other way around."

One friend (wife of friend) said, name something good about him (Trump when he was President).  I said, the black unemployment rate is at the lowest level in our lifetime.

In hindsight I humbly think that was rather prescient.  The George Floyd incident happened shortly after that.  All those 'racial tensions' were happening in the context of black unemployment plunging and real wages surging.

Back to ccp:  "There are others beside DeSantis who could emerge
who will have much better chance of winning
over 50% "


I like almost all of the people commonly mentioned, just trying to sort out who will be most electable and who will govern best if elected. 

Mike Pence is fine with me but I doubt he will catch on.  Mike Pompeo, ditto.  Nikki Haley, yes.  DeSantis is the top of my list on both counts.  That is four I would put ahead of Trump, for starters.

Lindsey Graham, no.  Chris Christy, no.

The trick will be to not have 4 or 17 of them splitting the not-Trump Republican vote.

Then the hate game will start against DeSantis or whoever.  (It's already started.)  But doubtful a similar Access Hollywood tape will emerge ("I grab their pu**ies and they like it") and hard to call him an idiot with his background of Yale, Harvard, US Navy, US Congress, nice family, and second term Governor navigating a major state competently through covid, hurricanes, tax cuts, in-migration and prosperity.  And he stands up to hostile media without lowering himself to their level or Trump's.

The worst I heard about him was that he didn't want to sexualize K-3rd grade children in the Florida elementary school math curriculum.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 14, 2022, 11:09:51 AM
"I have a set of principles and I judge these people by whether they support me, not the other way around."

THIS.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 14, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Doug,

it seems your liberal friends do not even notice his policies
they only notice HIM

he has made a point to put himself in the center of everything

as a result all anyone can think about is HIM

I am not saying that your friends are going to like any Republican

but their pure utter hatred and distaste for him are such that is all they see, hear, can think about

reminds me of a friend  at a  wedding some yrs back  , and  after we all got a bit intoxicated I thought he was going to lose his mind when speaking  about Trump.

all he could say was how he just  could not accept the idea that THAT GUY
could be President

It was a Jewish Democrat's TDS on full display - think Rob Reiner when he speaks of Trump
and that is what it was like

as for the policies he would not have agreed with any but the focus on him is /was simply a distraction

with
the independents though it makes a difference

they might be more inclined to swing our way if not such a personal monstrosity as our front man

it ain't just mean tweets







Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 14, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
They don't notice his policies, and they don't notice the results of his policies, because 93% of the coverage is negative (when it isn't 100% negative) and they don't report things like lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates in our lifetimes.  Or real wages growing.

Now we've had 19 months of real wages declining.  How many times have you heard that this busy election season? 

Imagine that happened under Trump!  Or DeSantis...
-------------------------

I mentioned criteria for the candidates, who can get elected and who can govern well.  Intertwined in that is, who can bring the most people over to our side - permanently.  And especially in our weakest areas, the under 30 voters and unmarried women (many of which are under 30).
Title: Michelle Tafoya open letter to Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 15, 2022, 05:09:11 AM
https://micheletafoya.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-donald-trump

An Open Letter to Donald Trump
If you really love America…

Michele Tafoya
Dear President Trump:

I’m going to take a lot of heat for this, but here it goes:

Please don’t run for President again.

You probably don’t care about my opinion. In your eyes — and I’m guessing here — I’m just a washed-up, has-been sports reporter who’s got a little podcast. In short, “a loser.”

But you should care about my opinion. After all, I’m an American, and you say you love America.

And if you genuinely love America, you should put her future above your own.

You did some great things for the United States during your four years in the White House. And you accomplished a lot in spite of the fact that you were constantly fighting headwinds.

For those who are in Trump-Achievement-Denial, here’s a small sample of some things you got done:

On National Defense:

Politico said, “Defense policy documents are so abundant they could wallpaper the Pentagon. But the Trump administration’s National Defense Strategy stands out as one of the most important defense policy shifts of the last generation, reorienting the American military to confront rising and increasingly aggressive powers Russia and China.”

On the Economy:

More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.

Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.

The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.

Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.

On Energy:

You approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. You made America energy independent.

On International Relations:

Your administration brokered the Abraham Accords, formally normalizing diplomatic relations between Israel and a pair of Arab states.

Indeed, you advanced some sound policies.

But your politics were messy.

And when you were defeated by Joe Biden in 2020, your politics went from messy to absolute mayhem.

There is no question Biden has made an unmitigated disaster of the country. People want change… but not chaos.

Chaos has worked for you. You’ve mastered the art of creating what I’ll call, “constructive chaos”. When you defeated Hillary Clinton, your disruptiveness was bold and welcome.

But America is tired. We are tired of disorder. We want normalcy. We want unity. We want some peace and quiet. We want decency.

We’ve endured the lock-down state of the Pandemic.

We’ve endured an inexcusable, unacceptable crisis at our Southern Border.

We’ve endured a self-inflicted energy crisis.

We’ve endured inflation and soaring gas prices, and we’re bracing for a winter of very cold, expensive discontent.

We’ve endured the fracturing of our people through identity politics.

We’ve endured failing schools.

We’ve endured the cancellation of comedy and conversation.

We need a break. We need a break from Biden… and from you.

Mr. President, if you run again, there will be a re-litigation of January 6. There will be screaming and yelling about “Mega-Maga” republicans. There will be name-calling. There will be insults. Civility will take another brain-rattling hit. There will be more division. (And people will point to your age. You will be 78 in 2024. We have seen how age can lead to cognitive declines.  No one is immune.)

About half the country loves you. The other half can’t stand you or are afraid of you.

Meanwhile, there is a deep bench of promising young, diverse candidates that America, on the whole, may be willing to consider.

Ron DeSantis

Marco Rubio

Nikki Haley

Tim Scott

Glenn Youngkin

Kristi Noem

You can be the king maker.

You are still incredibly popular with millions and millions of people, many of whom want you in the picture — just not running again.

We have a unique opportunity to elect someone without the baggage that you carry.

In the words of George Washington, Consider Mar A Lago your vine and fig tree where you can “spend the remainder of (your) days in peaceful retirement, making political pursuits yield to the more rational amusement of cultivating the earth,” whatever that means to you.

Thank you for your attention.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 15, 2022, 07:17:18 AM
I agree with article posted above
but we all know Trump will not listen

in same vein VDH was on Megyn Kelly podcast last night in lengthy interview discussing Trump

VDH refers to Trump as a tragic figure who has 2 out of 3 qualities to govern but lacking the third

is the problem . This is long listen maybe close to an hour but great if one is. a VDH fan like me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 15, 2022, 07:32:29 AM
I agree with article posted above
but we all know Trump will not listen

in same vein VDH was on Megyn Kelly podcast last night in lengthy interview discussing Trump

VDH refers to Trump as a tragic figure who has 2 out of 3 qualities to govern but lacking the third

is the problem . This is long listen maybe close to an hour but great if one is. a VDH fan like me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305

Similarly to VDH I recall Larry Elder asking Thomas Sowell in 2016 if Trump was qualified to be President and Sowell said no.  (I posted this more accurately at the time.)  Paraphrasing from memory, a person with his personality shouldn't have his finger on the button.  Elder was stunned and after an awkward silence drew it out from Sowell that he probably would vote for Trump given the alternative.

VDH wrote in his explanation for leaving National Review, Trump has skills we don't have, meaning the pundit class and ordinary politicians.

I take that to mean, draw attention and make a point that is widely heard and talked about.  Note that I don't recall hearing a complete sentence from Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell this entire election season even though they are probably out there speaking every day.

But for reasons already well posted, it's time for new leadership.  If none emerges we lose and the country loses.  But all the reasons this SHOULD HAVE been a red wave are still out there for someone to articulate, and this ship is not going to turn around with Joe Biden at the helm and Chuck Schumer as first mate.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 15, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
Agree.
Title: 9 PM tonight
Post by: ccp on November 15, 2022, 02:25:07 PM
just thinking.

what when he announces
all the networks and Fox simply ignore it?

no news on it on cable
newspapers ignore  big tech ignores

my guess is they will ignore any speech but just bash his run

since good for ratings.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 16, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
Ivanka gone?  Don Jr. gone?

==========================

Former president Donald Trump announced his long-rumored third presidential run on Tuesday from Mar-a-Lago, ensuring a tumultuous road for the Republican party leading up to the 2024 nomination.

“Ladies and gentleman, distinguished guests and my fellow citizens, America’s comeback starts right now,” Trump told the hundreds of supporters gathered in the Mar-a-Lago ballroom for the announcement.


Trump began his remarks by touting his first-term successes, focusing in particular on economic growth and foreign policy, and drawing a contrast between America’s standing on the world stage when he left office and the debased position he argued the Biden administration has put the country in since.

“The world was at peace, the country was prospering and we were on track for an amazing future,” Trump said. “Under our leadership we were a great and glorious nation. We were a strong nation and a free nation. But now we are a nation in decline. We are a failing nation.”

He claimed that he built the wall at the southern border, even though it remains unfinished, after which he clarified that he wants to continue to add onto it. Trump suggested the U.S. should model its drug crime enforcement on China’s authoritarian system and hand out the death sentence for dealers. In the same breath, however, Trump slammed President Xi Jinping, who he called the “king” of China.

“I call him king. He said, ‘no, no, I’m not king.’ I said yes, you are the king–you’re president for life. It’s the same thing,” Trump said.

Trump’s campaign filed the requisite paperwork with the Federal Elections Committee minutes before he was scheduled to take the stage at Mar-a-Lago to make the announcement. Trump Save America Joint Fundraising Committee was listed as an affiliated organization with the campaign.

The widely expected announcement comes after a poor showing for Trump-endorsed candidates in the midterms, which weakened the former president’s status as a kingmaker in the party and the presumptive 2024 nominee. Numerous polls of likely 2024 primary voters taken in the wake of the midterms have shown Florida governor Ron DeSantis making gains on Trump, and in some cases overtaking him.

Trump told a story similar to his 2016 and 2020 platforms of America’s descent under progressivism.

“Two years ago, we were a great nation. And soon we’ll be a great nation again. The decline of America is being forced upon us by Biden and the radical left lunatics running our government right into the ground,” he said.

Some Trump loyalists were surprisingly not in the audience. For instance, Florida Republican Matt Gaetz, after urging Trump to announce his run a day before the midterms, told reporters Tuesday that he could not attend the launch due to inclement weather. Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. were also absent from the speech.

“I love my father very much. This time around, I am choosing to prioritize and the private life we are creating as a family. I do not plan to be involved in politics,” she said. “While I will always love and support my father, going forward I will do so outside the political arena. I am grateful to have had the honor of serving the American people and I will always be proud of our Administration’s accomplishments.”

Trump bragged about his endorsement success rate in the midterms, which he claimed were “232 wins and 22 losses.” However, the candidates he picked in swing states, crucial to capture in order to secure a GOP-controlled Congress, failed to deliver. The most significant losses were Pennsylvania senate and governor, Arizona senate and governor, Nevada senate, Michigan governor, and New Hampshire senate.

At an Ohio rally for Republicans J.D. Vance and Mike DeWine on the eve of Election Day, Trump hinted that he would make a “very big announcement” the following week, so as not to “detract from the importance of tomorrow.” Trump reportedly faced pressure from some associates to postpone his presidential run until after the Georgia senate runoff race.

Jason Miller, a close Trump ally, said on Newsmax recently: “Everything comes down to Herschel Walker and Georgia. And if we can pull that off, we might get … Chuck Schumer packing from the [Senate] majority leader’s office.”
Title: The LEFT could not be happier
Post by: ccp on November 16, 2022, 07:21:30 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-running-for-president-2024_n_633c7706e4b0e376dbfb6a39
Title: One promise Trump did not keep:
Post by: DougMacG on November 16, 2022, 10:22:55 AM
One promise Trump did not keep:

"You're going to get tired of winning!"

It's been 6 years.  I'm not tired of winning.

Yes, we won with Trump in 2016 and broke open the 'blue wall'.  We won on the economy, until covid.  We won on foreign policy for the moment stopping Putin, Xi, Un, bringing forward the Abraham Accords and avoiding new wars.

But we lost to the FBI.  We lost the House in 2018. We lost the Presidential reelection - to a dunce.  We lost the Senate.  We lost the Georgia runoffs.  We didn't identify the fraud, still.  We won Virginia Gov, and now lost the midterms bigtime.

We lost to Gov. Whitmer in Michigan by 11 points.  Whitmer wouldn't let people go out in their boat during covid.  And we lost to her.  Michigan is mission critical.  Lose it and you fire your leadership.  We lost to Fetterman by 4 1/2 points!  Ditto.  PA is mission critical.  Fire your leadership.

Look at it the other way around.  If the Republicans had won the best case red wave (that they should have), who would be taking all the credit?   Trump.  So now we hold him accountable.  He picked out some winners but he also picked out Oz, Bolduc, Masters and Walker, and they lost - critical races that change the direction of the country.  Walker could still win, and I hope he does, but he didn't win in November and Trump has been no help in winning Georgia, another state it's mission critical to not screw up.

I'm tired of losing.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: DougMacG on November 16, 2022, 10:36:04 AM
"Ivanka gone?  Don Jr. gone?


   - Seems to me Jared is a very smart guy.  [Maybe] when he took the Saudi money, he was committed to not come back to politics. 

Doesn't Don Jr have marital problems, again? 

Also, weren't they running the family business - that's allegedly about to be indicted?

Very likely it's as simple as it appears.  Trump doesn't have the family fully behind this new effort.

Also possible is my theory.  This effort and this timing is aimed at countering the alleged incoming indictment(s).  Since they are political in motivation, the Mara Lago documents and the decision to put all his business dealings under the microscope, now those people need to look at the political consequences and Trump can plead the political defense.

Even Dems think prosecuting will help him with his base.

Dem leadership and Biden especially (if he is still alive) may want Trump as the easiest to beat nominee, but the people other than his supporters want him to disappear.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on November 16, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
yup

heard most of the speech but after an hour got totally bored

and thought we have heard all this before

was it Fox news where they were repeating
"if only " he keep on track

and not screw it up with tweets and big stupid insults

well this time

he will NOT get that chance to screw us up again

and the Dems will be VERY disappointed they will not have him and us to kick around anymore

Dough wrote :

"Also possible is my theory.  This effort and this timing is aimed at countering the alleged incoming indictment(s)."


nah !! Trump said it is not about him - it is about "us"
LOL COL talk about shysters - he will fade
he will go further nuts when he is finally awakened to the reality
and the rest of Trump die hards go the way of his family - down the road

Title: election over truth can be told Wash compost
Post by: ccp on November 17, 2022, 08:25:43 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/11/16/shocker-wapo-sheepishly-admits-the-fbi-found-no-nuclear-secrets-or-anything-else-in-mar-a-lago-raid-n1646445

dirty shysters ...... :x

on to the next lawfare anti Trump Maga bs

from Garland and the rest of the shyster crew
Title: garland wants special counsel for Trump
Post by: ccp on November 18, 2022, 11:02:38 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/merrick-garland-special-counsel-donald-trump/2022/11/18/id/1097086/

Title: Whither Citizen Trump?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2022, 05:18:04 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/11/15/will-trump-ride-off-into-the-sunset-or-play-the-broken-hero/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons&fbclid=IwAR0y-LeDS3k36HS6CkfecG81XSIIhTYHSnVKoilob7wJcx186v7Fr3iTqi4
Title: VDH Trump High Noon comparison
Post by: ccp on November 23, 2022, 07:45:20 AM
this is the scene VDH always alludes to with his hero cowboy
metaphor of Trump :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxH8b0nnl4Y

Not sure to me that Trump is exactly like Gary Cooper's character in the movie but point well taken

Gary Cooper and his hero movies are some  of my favorites
  Sergeant York , Lou Gehrig , etc . 

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 23, 2022, 08:11:43 AM
I think of our troops having seen their efforts repeatedly thrown away, having their honor besmirched as racists and extremists, and who now do not re-enlist, nor do their children.
Title: Andrew Weissman - weird dude
Post by: ccp on November 26, 2022, 06:53:37 AM
"I was described by Steve Bannon ... as a pit bull," former top Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissman tweeted. "Jack Smith makes me look like a golden retriever puppy."


https://amgreatness.com/2022/09/06/former-feds-give-justice-department-a-bad-name/

if Weismann loves him then you know he must be a Dem in disguise as a non partisan
DC lawyers tell us how great Jack Smith is    :roll:

is this shysters calling the kettle black?
Title: Citizen Trump and Nick Fuentes
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 26, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-condemned-for-dining-with-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/ar-AA14AgUc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7756977b4f5f4ab9e59e497579b6a54a

The flatulence continues:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/huge-hole-blown-into-trump-s-claim-he-didn-t-know-dinner-mate-nick-fuentes/ar-AA14zXKM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=514dafd978394502a8667b00b98c0c4f

Title: Mike Pompeo reads this board
Post by: ccp on November 27, 2022, 06:22:48 AM
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has also teased a potential 2024 run, took a jab at the former president last week as well.

“We were told we’d get tired of winning,” Pompeo said in a tweet. “But I’m tired of losing. And so are most Republicans.”

I remember Doug posted this a week or two ago.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 27, 2022, 09:18:32 AM
Quite the zinger!
Title: Democrats in Congress have Trump's tax returns
Post by: ccp on December 01, 2022, 06:12:30 AM
shysters and their accountants

hard at work emulating Lavrentiy Beri (in search of a crime)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/house-democrats-now-have-donald-trumps-taxes-treasury-department-indicates
Title: Trump did not order IRS audits
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 02, 2022, 12:56:28 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/dec/2/watchdog-report-shows-trump-didnt-order-irs-audits/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=qwgzTSkwCifZgyP9sSSbeJD7mD%2FlJx2nsIklmkqpxriR1V7EfJaB110n3n6If0XJ&bt_ts=1670003221706
Title: surprise surprise surprise Trump
Post by: ccp on December 06, 2022, 03:24:26 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-organization-tax-fraud-trial-jury-verdict_n_638dfc28e4b09eeedb9f57f3f

ok, but now lets provide EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW

evidence overwhelming that Hunter guilty
and his old man was part of it

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW 

(if you don't have a bunch of shysters playing shyster games - Larry Lib et al.)

Title: PP
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 07, 2022, 06:51:35 PM
What Did Trump Really Say About the Constitution?
Trump's comments were ridiculous, but as usual his deranged critics went even further overboard with their denunciations.

Thomas Gallatin


Donald Trump's Achilles heel is his own narcissistic self-assurance, which translates into him always being right when he decides that he is. Which is always.

The 2020 election had plenty wrong with it. From media and Big Tech interference to bulk-mail balloting, it was not a fair election, even if most of the problems were arguably "legal."

Trump, however, cemented in his own mind and in the minds of his most faithful followers that there was no possible way he could have lost the election. To this day, Trump has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on his claim that the election was "rigged" and "stolen," though he and his legal team tended to focus on counting votes instead of the aforementioned real problems. Furthermore, any Republican or conservative who dares to question Trump's claim is immediately smeared as a RINO and part of the problem.

Trump's MO has long been to never admit defeat. While this may be a calculated tactic to show toughness for making business deals, it is not a characteristic of good leadership. Yes, there is a long line of leaders throughout history who shared this "my way or the highway" ethic, but most of them were tyrants who always placed their own interests ahead of the rights and needs of the people.

The United States of America is not a democracy but a republic. Our system of government rests upon the populace electing representatives whose power is both delineated and limited by the Constitution. Superseding all elected officials' authority is the Constitution. It is the standard for governance of the people. So, when individuals seeking power appear to call for all or parts of the Constitution to be ignored, changed, or terminated, this should immediately raise red flags.

Over the weekend, just in time for the critical Georgia Senate runoff, Trump issued his latest 2020 election fraud rant by posting on his social media site Truth Social the following message:

So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?

He added:

A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections.

Trump was responding to new Twitter owner Elon Musk's release of the "Twitter Files" exposing internal documents that show how the company colluded with Democrats and federal law enforcement to censor damaging stories — primarily the one about Hunter Biden's laptop revealing Joe Biden's corruption — ahead of the 2020 election. Twitter's collusion with Democrats is indeed a scandal that is still being unpacked. Big Tech clearly interfered in the 2020 election on behalf of Joe Biden and the Democrats. This interference may have swung the election in Biden's favor, as there have been reports indicating that a significant number of Biden voters would not have voted for him if they had known the Hunter Biden laptop story was not fake news but genuine.

However, election interference and election fraud are not synonymous.

Russia interfered in the 2016 election, but that does not mean that Trump's election victory was fraudulent or illegitimate. Trump won legitimately no matter how much the Washington establishment, the Leftmedia, and Democrats angrily denied it as they fomented their baseless Russian collusion conspiracy theory.

It's understandable that Trump, after seeing Twitter's latest revelation, would see this as vindicating his loudly expressed claims of the 2020 election being rigged and stolen. "You can see why President Trump is pissed. He should be," argues Ben Shapiro. But his response is "jumping on a rake with both feet." Instead of the story being Twitter's malfeasance, now the Leftmedia can more easily ignore that and focus on Trump's would-be authoritarianism.

Besides, feelings don't make facts, and try as he might, Trump was not able to provide the necessary facts to prove his voter fraud allegations in court. That's primarily because he was barking up the wrong tree.

Trump is playing that classic political game: conflation. Musk revealed that interference took place, not fraud. Nothing Musk revealed shows that voter fraud occurred in 2020. None of the "Twitter Files" show any illegally cast ballots, voter suppression, rigged voting machines, or intentionally uncounted ballots. Trump has made all these claims in support of his "stolen election" assertions, though he failed to deliver legitimate legal evidence to prove any of them in a court of law, at least on a scale significant enough to change the results in even one state.

But of course, to Trump, if he believes it, then that's all the evidence he needs.

The way forward, however, is not to endlessly litigate the past as if it could be changed but to push for election integrity and better voter information so future contests are trustworthy. Yet here we are once again contending with apocalyptic headlines about Trump and the Constitution.

Did Trump really call for the "termination" of the Constitution? The short answer is "No." Trump always has been rather imprecise with his language, and as some have keenly observed, "listen to what he means, not what he says." Thus, it's easy to see how some concluded that he was attacking the Constitution.

"The fake news is actually trying to convince the American people that I said, I wanted to 'terminate' the constitution," Trump later asserted. "This is simply more disinformation and lies."

In reality, Trump was attempting to argue that the 2020 election's "massive fraud" was so egregious that it served to not only undercut all the rules regulating America's electoral system, it also effectively allowed for "terminating" those election stipulations within the Constitution. Therefore, the only remedy Trump sees is to throw out the declared 2020 election winner, Biden, and have himself recognized as the winner, or hold a new election.

The trouble Trump runs into is there is nothing within the Constitution that would support his desired action. The Founding Fathers were clearly not foolish men. Indeed, they designed a government around the very insightful conclusion that, given the opportunity, men are naturally more bent toward doing evil rather than doing good. They therefore designed a system to limit evil's power while also keeping open the opportunity for powerful good.

Here's where Trump's assertion that the "Founders ... would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections" falls apart. Of course the Founding Fathers would not condone election fraud, but they also recognized that, due to the nature of mankind, the complete elimination of all fraud was a pipe dream. Hence the justice system the Founders established in order to tackle instances where fraud arises.

The Founders' answer to Trump's fraud complaint would be consistently as it has been: Take your case and your evidence to the courts. Trump did, at least with some of his claims, and failed to prove his fraud allegations.

He then pivoted and sought to "prove" his fraud claims in the court of public opinion, where he has failed to convince anything approaching a majority of the American public. Indeed, as more investigations have been done, no smoking gun of "massive fraud" — in the sense of illegal voting or vote counting — has been demonstrably proven. Allegations are not proof. Those who originally gave it at least some sympathetic credence have become tired of the mostly vacuous claims. It's time to move on, many of them advise.

They can't because he won't. As veteran journalist Brit Hume put it, "It's one more example of the burden that Donald Trump imposes on the party he is associated with."

Again, that's Trump's Achilles heel. He can't admit defeat. Ever. He's made the "stolen election" one of the main features of his 2024 campaign platform, which is why he decided to weigh in on the "Twitter Files" revelation. No one is happier about his tirade than leftists who can make hay out of it.
Title: Dumping Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 16, 2022, 08:25:15 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/another-top-conservative-outlet-jumps-on-trump-with-sorry-donald-column/ar-AA15kFsS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b119d83ee60a4796bbf5fda0567a28e4
Title: report: Trump cards sell out
Post by: ccp on December 17, 2022, 10:46:45 AM
https://gazette.com/news/us-world/trump-digital-trading-cards-sell-out-potentially-raising-4-45-million/article_917b586d-4706-50dc-9b11-de4f71ef425e.html

not clear to who
possibly one rich person

 :-o :-o
Title: Citizen Trump's new free speech policy platform
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 17, 2022, 11:57:38 AM
https://nationalfile.com/trump-unveils-new-free-speech-policy-platform/
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on December 17, 2022, 12:02:19 PM
Bravo!!  you found it.
Was just looking for it again today and could not find this.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 17, 2022, 12:20:10 PM
I got into a very interesting convo with someone who works at this site.

I have begun perusing it regularly.
Title: Citizen Trump and gay marriage at Mar al Lago
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 18, 2022, 02:42:58 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/16/celebration-same-sex-marriage-mar-a-lago-00074441
Title: MSN: Jared & Ivanka done with Daddy Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 25, 2022, 02:04:10 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/donald-trump-s-dinner-with-kanye-west-is-reportedly-what-pushed-ivanka-jared-kushner-out-for-good/ar-AA15CXxb?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aeb28758406c4e0da034abf4d3048622
Title: Citizen Trump on Jared & Ivanka
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 27, 2022, 10:02:57 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/trump-makes-announcement-on-if-jared-kushner-ivanka-joining-2024-campaign_4947197.html?utm_source=News&src_src=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-12-27-2&src_cmp=breaking-2022-12-27-2&utm_medium=email&est=wzMvjyhbJsw2%2FFW1rL6OPTM5fpe%2BNDOnqIflK2gj0l6OxPA%2F1FCScHqij23lv3ge9Yoh
Title: Citizen Trump and allies turn on Hannity
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 29, 2022, 07:25:43 AM
Seriously?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-his-allies-turn-on-lapdog-hannity-throw-him-in-the-garbage/ar-AA15M7H3?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1afd81e368dd4ddfbc05f0970bbaaa64
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on December 29, 2022, 08:33:18 AM
I thought Hannity was really being consistent

If I recall correctly he was against the whole election denial thing from day #1 after the election results were finally in.
I distinctly remember he said "the horse has already left the barn" and more or less  fighting possible fraud is  now too late and after the fact.

He probably then went along with those looking for election fraud evidence
but since nothing could be "proven " to the extent that anything could or would be done

he was more or less proven correct ( at least that nothing was going to come of it)

So I think his testimony was consistent.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 29, 2022, 03:30:03 PM
Yet another example of Trump turning on a loyal supporter , , ,
Title: Citizen Trump's tax returns
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 30, 2022, 03:47:30 PM
I would have thought the concept of non-cash expenses would have been front and center here , , ,

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/trump-tax-returns-released-show-he-and-wife-melania-had-negative-income-in-4-of-6-years_4953311.html?utm_source=Goodevening&src_src=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2022-12-30&src_cmp=gv-2022-12-30&utm_medium=email&est=CQHFVUjFw4wn7v3qNEq1L5ji1OgdNgBOfibjord8%2BZr73kmMK%2FeMC0Z%2F0is%2FHjxr7nmG
Title: Citizen Trump's NFT cards drop in value
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 02, 2023, 05:34:02 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/trump-s-nft-trading-cards-drastically-drop-in-value-after-just-one-week/ss-AAVAr13?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8c868dc87a8546d0a53afa05994ad41e
Title: He is not without a point here
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 02, 2023, 05:43:24 AM
second

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-turns-on-his-own-supporters-over-abortion/ar-AA15SWI5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=53cb19b9210e4131b94abe7b5d4092a0
Title: Dick Morris hawking his book; The Return ; just prior to Nov'22 election
Post by: ccp on January 03, 2023, 10:44:35 AM
on C span 10/28/22

Fast forward to minute 5 through ~ 8

https://www.c-span.org/video/?523812-1/the-return

predictions are like a holes

Title: Re: Dick Morris hawking his book; The Return ; just prior to Nov'22 election
Post by: DougMacG on January 03, 2023, 11:31:12 AM
Well he called that one, the election was beyond belief.
Title: D. Morris
Post by: ccp on January 03, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
the pitiful part he still shows up on Newsmax to tell us how Trump will crush it in '24.

it is like Rove coming on Fox giving his opinion forever.

the same old blowhards .....
Title: Boebert and Gaetz out Trump Trump
Post by: ccp on January 04, 2023, 01:35:59 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/sad-matt-gaetz-mocks-trumps-11th-hour-plea-for-mccarthy-says-the-never-kevin-contingent-is-holding-firm/


https://www.mediaite.com/trump/sad-matt-gaetz-mocks-trumps-11th-hour-plea-for-mccarthy-says-the-never-kevin-contingent-is-holding-firm/

no one offers a viable alternative to McCarthy  .

how many people would even. want to be chair ?
Title: Truth Social -> Trump as House Speaker
Post by: ccp on January 06, 2023, 07:00:22 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1611143745109430274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1611143745109430274%7Ctwgr%5E71fae39a4a841ef81b4baa9ad7bb07fb46671b2f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2589373419838969817.ampproject.net%2F2212151632002%2Fframe.html

not exactly in the mood for humor .....

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/44c9a6d5-5ebc-4f5c-9af7-6ebc9d158fcd
Title: Re: Truth Social -> Trump as House Speaker
Post by: DougMacG on January 06, 2023, 09:53:40 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1611143745109430274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1611143745109430274%7Ctwgr%5E71fae39a4a841ef81b4baa9ad7bb07fb46671b2f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2589373419838969817.ampproject.net%2F2212151632002%2Fframe.html

not exactly in the mood for humor .....

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/44c9a6d5-5ebc-4f5c-9af7-6ebc9d158fcd

Humor but not 212 votes in the house (for Trump for Speaker).

Gridlock is the best thing that's happened in the House in 4 years.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on January 06, 2023, 10:07:16 AM
not a fanboy for McConnell but this is what he must have been seeking to avoid

in the omnibus bill

one can only imagine how Gaetz and Boebert could hold up everything coming from the House

to the extent of helping the Dems.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 10, 2023, 02:37:06 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/former-trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-sentenced-to-five-months-in-rikers/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=30211145
Title: Dersh to Greta : Trump is no longer in danger of documents indictment
Post by: ccp on January 11, 2023, 08:33:29 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/newsmaxtv-dershowitz-mar/2023/01/10/id/1103871/
Title: Citizen Trump vs former supporters
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 17, 2023, 10:01:13 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/donald-trump-supporters-turn-on-him-over-vaccine-defense-sold-out-so-hard/ar-AA16rt8Y?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2a4e18c9989a495886e60a5d04669d56
Title: On top of the $$ to Princeling Jared, this is not a good look
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 17, 2023, 10:03:43 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/court-proceedings-reveal-mbs-paid-trump-millions-in-the-past-two-years-human-rights-group/ar-AA16rEaV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a4cde56894e84328b20d85443a43eee5
Title: princeling JarOdd kushner
Post by: ccp on January 17, 2023, 11:17:36 AM
agree

that Kushner S Arabia dealing look VERY shady at best .

in recent Rep James Comer interview on Chuck Todd who of course is always prepared to mug and Republican who comes on his show,

Chuck Todd in typical *straw man * argument that Bill Maher rightly points out that when Dems are in trapped losing argument  they always resort to  divert attention to something else away from what they are clearly wrong about .

they will then immediately interject :
"well... what about ..." ( fill in the blanks with any argument they can think of ).

When Rep. James Comer pointed out about Hunter Biden taking bribes etc Todd said what about JarOD Kushner who made deals getting richer through the Saudies.

Comer did not really answer that well
and should have come back precisely to the saying it is a  straw man argument and does not clear Hunter and family from possible /probable crimes.

In addition, I frankly do think Kushner SHOULD be investigated as well and it would not have bothered me if Comer simply said this .

Did Kush trade political influence for his own personal financial gain as
evidence is suggests?

Title: Citizen Trump echoes DeSantis on Chinese purchase of US farmland
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 19, 2023, 05:20:33 AM
Trump Vows to Ban Chinese Investment in US Farmland if Reelected
By Eva Fu January 18, 2023 Updated: January 18, 2023biggersmaller Print

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Former President Donald Trump has promised to ban Chinese nationals from buying U.S. farmland or other critical industries if he retakes the White House.

In a nearly three-minute campaign video released on Jan. 18, Trump sounded the alarm that China’s extensive economic influence in the country risks the United States falling under the communist regime’s control.

“China does not allow American companies to take over their critical infrastructure and America should not allow China to take over our critical infrastructure,” he said in a speech recorded from Mar-a-Lago, emphasizing a need for “aggressive new restrictions on Chinese ownership of any vital infrastructure in the United States, including energy, technology, telecommunications, farmland, natural resources, medical supplies, and other strategic national assets.”

Chinese investors were the largest foreign buyer of U.S. real estate by dollar amount between March 2021 and March 2022, with $6 billion spent over the period, according to the National Association of Realtors.

Recent years have seen growing outcry over Chinese land acquisitions to build energy infrastructure or located near U.S. military bases, with opponents saying such purchases may allow the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) the ability to disrupt the country’s critical infrastructure and spy on defense facilities.


Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential presidential rival for Trump, last week said he’s considering a ban on Chinese entities buying property in his state for economic and security reasons because “we do not need to have CCP influence in Florida’s economy.”

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), a federal panel in charge of screening foreign investments for security risks, in December ruled that it didn’t have jurisdiction to review a controversial Chinese corn mill project in North Dakota, located within 15 miles of the Grand Forks Air Force base, which houses sensitive drone, satellite, and surveillance technology. The project has received heavy pushback from Republican lawmakers and locals who say the plant jeopardizes economic and national security.

But the focus on land alone is far from enough to combat the threats posed by the Chinese regime, Trump said.

“The fact is we should be very concerned about all Chinese communist activity in the United States,” he said. “As I’ve long said, economic security is national security.”

Aside from barring Chinese purchases in essential U.S. industries, Trump believes the United States “should begin the process of forcing the Chinese to sell any current holdings that put our national security at risk.”

“If we don’t do this, the United States will be owned by China, which would make them very happy. When I’m president, I will ensure that America’s future remains firmly in American hands, just as I did when I was president before. It’ll happen again and our country will be stronger than ever.”

During his time in office, Trump broke with previous administrations by adopting a tough-on-China approach, focused on addressing the array of national security threats posed by the CCP. The Trump administration put strict curbs on Chinese telecom giant Huawei over security concerns, which crippled the firm’s global business, imposed a ban on U.S. investments in Chinese military-linked firms, and sought to ban Chinese-owned TikTok and WeChat social media apps due to data security risks.

Some aspects of Trump’s approach to China have been adopted by the Biden administration, which has emphasized reducing supply chain reliance on China.
Title: The Soap Opera continues
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 23, 2023, 07:33:38 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-issues-warning-to-donald-trump/ar-AA16DcTk?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a92936610f194fb3927be05522964d7c 
Title: Atlanta DA want Grand Jury report kept secret
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 24, 2023, 07:21:19 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/atlanta-da-doesn-t-want-the-public-to-see-the-special-grand-jury-report-into-trump-s-efforts-to-overturn-georgia-s-2020-vote/ar-AA16Hmcl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0cb39954b507424f9020cadf069690a0
Title: NRO: Trump losing it
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 25, 2023, 05:12:17 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/01/trump-has-completely-lost-his-grip-on-reality/?bypass_key=bW9RR0g0VlR6TytUQ2pWb0syaU93UT09OjpaREpPV0daeVFUWkllR2sxYWpKSmFWUk5iRkJzUVQwOQ%3D%3D&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202023-01-25&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart
Title: Trump still has a ton of cheer leaders
Post by: ccp on January 26, 2023, 09:59:02 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-newsmax-directv/2023/01/26/id/1105988/

so, big deal , Trump calls ATT cancel of Newsmax "disgusting"

so does every other Republican and Conservative already

this is not news and I don't care what he tweets or whatever he does on Truth Social

Can't we just have some new people .... and that include McConnell McDaniels , etc
Title: Seriously Donald?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 26, 2023, 12:11:53 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/world-reacts-to-donald-trump-cheating-news/ar-AA16Jg89?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1c55bf863a194253bcd0544427a0ebf4
Title: huge news !
Post by: ccp on January 29, 2023, 04:51:34 PM
"Trump Says Beating of Nichols 'Never Should Have Happened"

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/memphis-police-trump/2023/01/29/id/1106334/

[me -> duh]
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 30, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
Well, it needed to be said.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on January 30, 2023, 08:44:26 AM
would he have said it if the cops were white?

 :-P

just kidding
Title: Trump: Uke war would not have happened if I were still President
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 01, 2023, 05:40:24 PM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-invasion/2022/02/24/id/1058297/

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/trump-says-will-bring-back-peace-through-str-1633240.html
Title: Re: Trump: Uke war would not have happened if I were still President
Post by: DougMacG on February 01, 2023, 09:53:29 PM
He shouldn't remind us how costly his losing was.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on February 02, 2023, 07:06:18 AM
just wondering

what would have Trump done if Russia did invade Ukraine on his watch?

or as he suggests we can certain Putin would not have invaded
due to either his * fear * of Trump
or because they are close buddies

Title: Citizen Trump develops his platform
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 04, 2023, 11:43:50 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/03/donald-trump-fbi-justice-department-china/?utm_medium=email&pnespid=q7ZrVSRaN.0F3ebY.jrkDciIpwmwX8N1cuq_mOhsqg9mFBeQFDXegD8yFahNObfd.0wKw2JV
Title: Trump: Desantis with high school girls as teacher
Post by: ccp on February 08, 2023, 05:25:53 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11724111/Trump-posts-photos-Ron-DeSantis-allegedly-drinking-high-school-girls.html

DeSantis could come back
and show pics of Trump Stormy
and the lady who alleges rape and Trumps statements to Billy Bush
and friendship with Epstein

just what the party does not need
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 14, 2023, 09:16:14 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mark-levin-severely-disappointed-upon-learning-trump-wants-to-give-desantis-a-mean-nickname/ar-AA17tszw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5a50a656c3ea455598803c9f4277136f
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on February 14, 2023, 09:49:44 AM
well what does Mark expect?

why the surprise?

this fits Trump's character to a T.

don't need to read Maggie Haberman who sole reason for living and professional JURNO lister life is to bash Trump (just look at her articles - daily anti Trump for yrs)
to know this is true

I noticed when asked about Mike Pompeo or Nik Haley
his comment was only "they are very ambitious"

that will change if they become real threats to his ego
but he has reserved insults because he does not see them as real threats

not true with Desantis
Title: Citizen Trump going to Palestine
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 18, 2023, 03:48:28 PM
Astute move.

Trump to Visit Ohio Train Derailment Site Because Washington ‘Leaders’ Are ‘Too Afraid’
Former President Donald Trump arrives for a "Save America" rally ahead of the midterm elections at Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, Pa., on Nov. 5, 2022. (Angela Weiss/AFP via Getty Images)
Former President Donald Trump arrives for a "Save America" rally ahead of the midterm elections at Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, Pa., on Nov. 5, 2022. (Angela Weiss/AFP via Getty Images)
Tom Ozimek
By Tom Ozimek
February 18, 2023Updated: February 18, 2023
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Former president Donald Trump has announced he will visit East Palestine, Ohio next week, while his son said that if leaders in Washington are “too afraid” to see the aftermath of the train derailment and toxic chemical spill with their own eyes, then “real leaders” will have to step up to the plate.

While the scope of Trump’s visit to East Palestine has not been specified, Don Trump Jr. first made the announcement in a post on Twitter.

“Breaking News: Trump will visit East Palestine, Ohio next week. If our ‘leaders’ are too afraid to actually lead real leaders will step up and fill the void,” he wrote.

Trump himself later took to Truth Social to say he’ll be traveling to the afflicted Ohio community on Feb. 22.

“The people of East Palestine need help. I’ll see you on Wednesday!” Trump wrote.

The visit from the 45th president to East Palestine comes as the Biden administration faces criticism for what some are calling a slow response to the Feb. 3 derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals.

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg didn’t address the incident until ten days after the train derailed in a fiery crash that sent a black cloud into the air over East Palestine from burning vinyl chloride.

rain Derailment Ohio
Portions of a Norfolk and Southern freight train that derailed Friday night in East Palestine, Ohio, are still on fire at mid-day, on Feb. 4, 2023. (Gene J. Puskar/AP Photo)
Also, a day after alerting Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine that the derailment and chemical spill doesn’t qualify for an emergency declaration, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) announced it will send a team to the disaster site.

‘Trump Effect’
On the same day that Trump Jr. announced that the former president would visit the derailment site, the Biden administration said it had “mobilized a robust, multi-agency effort to support” residents of East Palestine.

George Papadopoulos, a former member of a foreign policy advisory panel to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, linked the Biden administration’s decision to provide FEMA aid to the former president’s decision to visit the site.

“Trump announces he is visiting East Palestine. Up until that moment, Biden allocated exactly $0 in emergency relief to its affected population. One hour later? FEMA declares they are sending federal resources,” Papadopoulos wrote in a tweet.

“That’s the Trump effect. America first, always!” he added.

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Former President Donald Trump speaks at the America First Policy Institute Agenda Summit in Washington, on July 26, 2022. (Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images)
Toxic Concerns
Vinyl chloride has a range of potential impacts on animal and human health, including cancer of the liver and other organs.

Fearing an uncontrolled explosion, crews also deliberately engineered a controlled burn of vinyl chloride, which sent more smoke into the air.

Fallout from the derailment prompted the temporary evacuation of East Palestine’s 5,000 or so residents.

Some locals have reported that their pets and livestock have shown concerning symptoms like vomiting and liquid diarrhea.

Multiple residents have also complained of headaches, vomiting, skin rashes, and blood in the stool.

Train Derailment Ohio
A black plume rises over East Palestine, Ohio, as a result of a controlled detonation of a portion of the derailed Norfolk Southern trains, on Feb. 6, 2023. (Gene J. Puskar/AP Photo)
In the wake of the disaster, at least five lawsuits have been filed against Norfolk Southern, the railroad that operated the derailed train.

The company announced this week that it was setting up a $1 million fund to help the community. Norfolk Southern also said it was continuing to remove spilled contaminants from the ground and streams and monitoring air quality.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has been screening homes in East Palestine for air quality and testing water for contaminants.

EPA said in a Feb. 17 update that over 500 homes have been tested for indoor air quality.

“To date there have been no detections of vinyl chloride or hydrogen chloride above levels of concern,” the agency said.

The agency also said that 38 private wells have been sampled as of Feb. 17, with another 9 scheduled for later.

‘Hard’ to Trust the Government
EPA Administrator Michael Regan visited East Palestine on Feb. 16, where he walked along a creek that still reeks of chemicals after the derailment that caused a fire and sent a cloud of smoke over the town.

“This incident has understandably shaken this community to its core,” Regan said at a press conference.

Epoch Times Photo
Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Michael Regan (L) walks with staff through East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 16, 2023. (Lucy Schaly/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette via AP)
While recognizing that trust in the government was sparse in East Palestine, Regan urged residents to have confidence in the air screening and water testing in homes, wells, and the municipal water system.

Regan said that testing of municipal water found no contamination. Still, he urged residents who use private wells to continue using bottled water and get their wells tested.

The official told wary locals to “trust the government” as he sought to reassure them that their water is fit for consumption and the air safe to breathe.

However, he acknowledged, “that’s hard. We know that there is a lack of trust, which is why the state and the federal government have pledged to be very transparent.”

Epoch Times Photo
Booms are placed in a stream that flows through the center of East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 15, 2023. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
Trust the Science, Trust the Ratings
During his visit, Regan was asked by a concerned resident if he and other officials would allow their own children to drink the town water.

“If those homes have been tested by the state and given a clean bill of health, yes, as a father, I trust the science,” Regan said.

“Based on the work that the state has done to test the water, the air and the water are safe for those residents that we have deemed being safe,” Regan said, encouraging such individuals to “come back” to their homes.

He added that residents whose homes or wells have not been tested should contact the EPA to get them checked out.

But he insisted that he would “trust the ratings.”

Epoch Times Photo
Ohio EPA officials tour the damage in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 16, 2023. (Lucy Schaly/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette via AP)
“If we say that the water is safe, and the air is safe, we believe it because we tested it and the data shows it,” Regan said.

Residents Report Symptoms
Since the accident, some residents have reported headaches and feeling dizzy; others have complained about vomiting and blood in the stool, among other symptoms.

Regan said that anyone who experienced any kind of adverse reaction should seek medical attention.

“We ask that they contact the local and state health agencies because we want that information, we want to hear from people,” he said.

He was quick to add, however, that he’s confident in the safety of areas tested by EPA and deemed safe.

“We believe that because the science and the data proves that,” he said. “But that is not to discount any experience that any resident is having,” he added.

Asked about reports that “a lot” of residents had developed rashes and that one person said they were coughing up blood and had trouble breathing, Regan repeated his recommendation to seek medical attention.
Title: Citizen Trump: Never Closer to WW3
Post by: Crafty_Dog on February 21, 2023, 05:24:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkQG2PBQ_48

I thought he was pretty effective with this one.
Title: Not clear to me why this is a crime
Post by: ccp on March 11, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
https://apnews.com/article/michael-cohen-trump-hush-money-grand-jury-17644c5a78cf64bea1d3849a976f8d03

is this considered obstruction of justice?

so man commits infidelity with a willing person
has her sign a confidentiality agreement and pays her to keep quiet and she accepts
then breaks the agreement -  I just don't get what the bid deal is.

what a pathetic little mouse this guy Cohen is.  No shame.  Grovels on left wing media
and they bring him on shamelessly like they did Presidential candidate Avenati  :roll:
Title: Re: Not clear to me why this is a crime
Post by: G M on March 11, 2023, 03:34:20 PM
The legal doctrine of "Orange Man Bad" applies, as always.



https://apnews.com/article/michael-cohen-trump-hush-money-grand-jury-17644c5a78cf64bea1d3849a976f8d03

is this considered obstruction of justice?

so man commits infidelity with a willing person
has her sign a confidentiality agreement and pays her to keep quiet and she accepts
then breaks the agreement -  I just don't get what the bid deal is.

what a pathetic little mouse this guy Cohen is.  No shame.  Grovels on left wing media
and they bring him on shamelessly like they did Presidential candidate Avenati  :roll:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 11, 2023, 05:39:15 PM
CCP:

Amen.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 17, 2023, 05:04:09 PM
https://rumble.com/v2dmfkw-report-manhattan-da-wants-to-indict-and-handcuff-trump-next-week.html?fbclid=IwAR2Sq2NJY8e86UsuD3cBZeU3jyCUOEWazMwwTnEhe3evis4qUZDcoHNnk78
Title: circus event to begin soon
Post by: ccp on March 18, 2023, 08:41:15 AM
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/03/18/heres-what-will-happen-if-trump-is-arrested-next-week-n1679475

CNN MSPCP NYT WP AP NPR PBS ABC NBC CBS all ready with camera crews jornolisters
alerted getting ready to broadcast 24/7 screaming about this "glorious "
"first ever " "historic" event . [ deep state soros msm Dem party joke]

will the beady eyed Vanderbilt invite Stormy back on or simply continue to have barrister Cohen on over and over again  while trying to looks serious about this and while he of course knows is BS . [no slander folks !  :roll:]

some statements from liz maybe
Max boot [what a hoot] nicolle wallace [something about the name wallace... chris
george etc]
and kinzinger [the righteous one paid and bought by CNN]
etc

all celebrating upbeat with smiles laughter excitement on "getting orange man"

I am so sick of them .....
thank you for my ANTITRUMP DS SYNDROME rant . I feel better for 5 seconds.

"antitrump derangement syndrome" is brought on by 24/7/365 TDS forced upon the country


Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 18, 2023, 05:12:53 PM
As I just posted there, I'd like to suggest that we follow this litigation in the Lawfare thread, leaving this one for other Trumpian matters.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 18, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/donald-trump-reinstated-on-facebook-and-instagram_5046423.html
Title: NRO: Why leaders are not supposed to be demagogues
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 22, 2023, 03:29:36 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/why-leaders-are-not-supposed-to-be-demagogues/?lctg=547fd5293b35d0210c8df7b9&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MJ_20230322&utm_term=Jolt-Smart

OTOH , , ,
Title: Re: NRO: Why leaders are not supposed to be demagogues
Post by: G M on March 22, 2023, 04:45:39 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/why-leaders-are-not-supposed-to-be-demagogues/?lctg=547fd5293b35d0210c8df7b9&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MJ_20230322&utm_term=Jolt-Smart

OTOH , , ,

Jeb!

We should have clapped.

Such bullshitte.
Title: not sure if this is real
Post by: ccp on March 24, 2023, 09:55:13 AM
for all I know could be AI:

https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/trump-shares-pic-holding-baseball-bat-near-das-head/
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 24, 2023, 11:54:22 AM
Turley is a serious player.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 24, 2023, 03:46:23 PM
Apparently Trump himself posted the picture of himself with the baseball bat next to a photo of Bragg.

Unhinging rapidly.  DeSantis increasingly likely to take the nomination.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 29, 2023, 07:18:22 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/with-untested-cases-challenging-trump-legal-experts-weigh-in-on-his-greatest-vulnerabilities_5155299.html?utm_source=China&src_src=China&utm_campaign=uschina-2023-03-29&src_cmp=uschina-2023-03-29&utm_medium=email&est=3sdsjgmqmr%2FU%2BMZrpUnCmP8SYXEEzIjQ9sF7KxtmC0UZsR7MqWhTd0i8QCbd%2BzPdhvYe
Title: anyone want to bet me
Post by: ccp on March 31, 2023, 06:00:58 AM
the mugshot will be leaded to some lucky LEFT wing outlet?

a lot money to be made for it.
nah, no one gets bribed for "leaks"
Title: Chappelle on Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on March 31, 2023, 07:02:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QiyRqGelufo
Title: WSJ
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 01, 2023, 08:36:01 AM
Pandora’s Donald Trump Prosecution
The first indictment of a former U.S. President is a sad day for America.
By The Editorial BoardFollow
March 30, 2023 9:03 pm ET


The news late Thursday that a Manhattan grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump is a sad day for the country, with political ramifications that are unpredictable and probably destructive. If there was ever a case that opens Pandora’s box, the first indictment of a former President in U.S. history is it.


The indictment itself remains under seal, so we can’t examine the specific charges and evidence. But we know the charges relate to hush-money payments in 2016 to adult film actress Stormy Daniels about her alleged affair with Mr. Trump. Perhaps Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has new evidence that will be compelling.

But nearby, Ethan Greenberg and Sam Braverman offer speculation based on experience about the potential violations and pitfalls of the case in court. Their analysis doesn’t inspire confidence that this will go down well with the country, or even perhaps inside the courtroom.

As these columns have made clear, we believe any prosecution of a former President should involve a serious offense. The evidence should also be solid enough that a reasonable voter would find it persuasive. The last thing a politically polarized America needs is a case in which partisans line up on either side like a political O.J. Simpson trial. The prosecution must be seen by most of the country as an example of fair-minded justice.


That is doubly so when the case involves a former President who is also running again for the same office, as Mr. Trump now is. Add that the prosecutor belongs to the same Democratic Party as the current President whom Mr. Trump is running against, and the suspicion of a political prosecution will be rampant. This is why we urged Mr. Bragg not to revive a seven-year-old case that federal prosecutors declined to act on.

Mr. Trump made clear in a statement that he will make the prosecution part of his campaign—calling it a Democratic effort to deny him another presidential term. Democrats have “done the unthinkable,” he said, “indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant Election Interference.”

He will add this to the list of false Russian collusion claims, two failed impeachments, and the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago document raid. Whether that political defense succeeds will depend on how the case evolves in court in what will be a media circus for the ages. Mr. Trump’s reckless personal behavior has made himself vulnerable as usual, but Democratic excess could rescue him again.

And there is no doubt that Mr. Bragg is doing what most Democrats want. They want Mr. Trump in the dock and at the center of the political debate. Even if he’s not convicted, they figure the indictment and spectacle will help him become the Republican nominee. They think he is the easiest candidate to beat because he motivates Democrats and divides Republicans and independents. That is certainly the lesson of the GOP election disappointments of 2018, 2020 and 2022.

Democrats also know that the indictment will put GOP challengers to Mr. Trump in a difficult position. They will have to take a stand on this prosecution, and maybe on others to come. They will be asked constantly about Mr. Trump, and not about the failures of the Biden Presidency that the country should be debating.

The danger for America is the precedent this prosecution sets. Mr. Bragg is busting a political norm that has stood for 230 years. Once a former President and current candidate is indicted, some local Republican prosecutor will look to make a name for himself by doing the same to a Democrat. U.S. democracy will be further abused and battered. Mr. Bragg, the provincial progressive, is unleashing forces that all of us may come to regret.
Title: Re: WSJ
Post by: G M on April 01, 2023, 09:15:08 AM
Autodelegitimization

If government is not seen as legitimate, then all it has left is naked force. This is why they are so desperate to disarm us.


Pandora’s Donald Trump Prosecution
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The indictment itself remains under seal, so we can’t examine the specific charges and evidence. But we know the charges relate to hush-money payments in 2016 to adult film actress Stormy Daniels about her alleged affair with Mr. Trump. Perhaps Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has new evidence that will be compelling.

But nearby, Ethan Greenberg and Sam Braverman offer speculation based on experience about the potential violations and pitfalls of the case in court. Their analysis doesn’t inspire confidence that this will go down well with the country, or even perhaps inside the courtroom.

As these columns have made clear, we believe any prosecution of a former President should involve a serious offense. The evidence should also be solid enough that a reasonable voter would find it persuasive. The last thing a politically polarized America needs is a case in which partisans line up on either side like a political O.J. Simpson trial. The prosecution must be seen by most of the country as an example of fair-minded justice.

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That is doubly so when the case involves a former President who is also running again for the same office, as Mr. Trump now is. Add that the prosecutor belongs to the same Democratic Party as the current President whom Mr. Trump is running against, and the suspicion of a political prosecution will be rampant. This is why we urged Mr. Bragg not to revive a seven-year-old case that federal prosecutors declined to act on.

Mr. Trump made clear in a statement that he will make the prosecution part of his campaign—calling it a Democratic effort to deny him another presidential term. Democrats have “done the unthinkable,” he said, “indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant Election Interference.”

He will add this to the list of false Russian collusion claims, two failed impeachments, and the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago document raid. Whether that political defense succeeds will depend on how the case evolves in court in what will be a media circus for the ages. Mr. Trump’s reckless personal behavior has made himself vulnerable as usual, but Democratic excess could rescue him again.

And there is no doubt that Mr. Bragg is doing what most Democrats want. They want Mr. Trump in the dock and at the center of the political debate. Even if he’s not convicted, they figure the indictment and spectacle will help him become the Republican nominee. They think he is the easiest candidate to beat because he motivates Democrats and divides Republicans and independents. That is certainly the lesson of the GOP election disappointments of 2018, 2020 and 2022.

Democrats also know that the indictment will put GOP challengers to Mr. Trump in a difficult position. They will have to take a stand on this prosecution, and maybe on others to come. They will be asked constantly about Mr. Trump, and not about the failures of the Biden Presidency that the country should be debating.

The danger for America is the precedent this prosecution sets. Mr. Bragg is busting a political norm that has stood for 230 years. Once a former President and current candidate is indicted, some local Republican prosecutor will look to make a name for himself by doing the same to a Democrat. U.S. democracy will be further abused and battered. Mr. Bragg, the provincial progressive, is unleashing forces that all of us may come to regret.
Title: stormy owes DJT 600K
Post by: ccp on April 05, 2023, 06:08:52 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/stormy-daniels-must-pay-122-020415118.html

I wonder how many strips shows or stormy coffee mugs that is.

https://www.google.com/search?q=stormy+daniels+mugs&rlz=1C5GCEM_enUS1001US1001&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA6Zmp6pL-AhUFjIkEHSP7C4oQ0pQJegQIAxAC&biw=1440&bih=789&dpr=2
Title: Stormy Daniels
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 07, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/appeals-court-orders-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-almost-122000-in-legal-fees_5172923.html?utm_source=News&src_src=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2023-04-05-2&src_cmp=breaking-2023-04-05-2&utm_medium=email&est=PD7u8G7K54PL6E6c29qoLCy4oIXaezdwWNvLHh2vE2G2sK55qC18RWnHUIh%2Bsm8ybz9C
Title: NRO: Stormy the Extortionist
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 07, 2023, 06:57:32 PM
Yes, Trump Was Extorted
By RICH LOWRY
April 7, 2023 6:30 AM

Let’s acknowledge what Stormy Daniels did.
It’s not as though he was the innocent victim, but when Donald Trump and his legal team say that Stormy Daniels extorted him, they are right.


From one perspective, this is another perversity of the case — Stormy Daniels engaged in a kind of extortion, and yet Trump is the one the authorities have tried their utmost to nail to the wall.

There’s been a lot of focus on the timing of the $130,000 payment to Daniels near the end of the 2016 campaign. Trump’s pursuers say this shows how the hush money was all about making the story go away right before the election. But the timing was also a function of Daniels and her side realizing that right after the release of the Access Hollywood tape was the point of maximum leverage to make an extortionate demand.

“Pay me or I will expose you” is undoubtedly a form of blackmail. Now, there’s a fuzzy line between negotiations toward a deal involving a payment in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement, which happens all the time, and illegal threats.

Make no mistake, though, the difference between what Stormy Daniels was doing in 2016 and what gets people prosecuted for extortion is one of degree, not of kind.

The prosecutor Mark Pomerantz, who ended up quitting Bragg’s office to write a book making the case for prosecuting Trump, at one point contemplated using the idea that Daniels extorted Trump against him, bizarrely enough. “If Daniels had been extorting Trump,” Reuters explains, “then the money could be considered criminal proceeds and efforts to conceal that it came from Trump could constitute money laundering.”

The cases of extortion involving illicit affairs that show up in the press tend to involve prostitutes or strippers who threaten to use a tape or some other evidence to expose a john, and typically engage in harassment or other threats related to their demands.


In a typical case, a couple of years ago, a prostitute in the St. Louis area tried to get $15,000 from a married man by threatening to post a secret recording of their tryst with another woman. She got three payments of $2,200 out of him, but when she wanted more and posted the video, he went to the FBI.

In Pennsylvania not too long ago, a prostitute was charged with blackmailing the president of the Pennsylvania Bar Association.

The Eliot Spitzer scandal involved an extortion scheme. One of the hookers threatened to expose him to the public and his family, and he regularly paid her off between 2014 and 2016 to the tune of $400,000. She was charged with blackmail, and ended up pleading guilty to another charge, bringing the case to a close.

Celebrities are flypaper for extortion plots. Kevin Hart was extorted (in a murky case). So was Dana White. So was Mark Jackson. So was Danny Cipriani, an English soccer player.

Of course, one of the lessons here is that the prostitute, stripper, or porn star with whom someone has an affair may be less than totally reliable.

The Stormy Daniels demand wasn’t as sleazy or coercive as those that result in extortion charges, and she had a lawyer helping in her effort to pressure Trump. (Although lawyers can run afoul of extortion law, as former Daniels lawyer Michael Avenatti spectacularly demonstrated during his self-immolation; the line between tough bargaining and blackmail is a contested one.)

And Trump and his allies, in effect, legitimated the extortionate demands made against him by planning for them, bargaining over them, and paying them off without a peep to the authorities or any complaint until well after the fact.

It takes two to tango — the women made the demands, and Trump paid up because it was worth it to him to make these stories go away.

Again, he was no victim, but the women who cashed in were no victims, or saints, either.

“I don’t think that his crimes against me are worthy of incarceration,” Stormy Daniels told Piers Morgan in an interview.

How high-minded. But what crimes is she thinking of? Daniels threatened Trump with exposure, got a handsome payoff to keep quiet, and ended up talking anyway.

That’s pretty much a master class in how to make an extortionate demand work.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on April 08, 2023, 07:36:29 AM
good article and I might add, if I am not mistaken Lowry is a virulent anti Trumper
Title: Barr on Trump's legal troubles
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 10, 2023, 05:44:27 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-ag-bill-barr-braggs-case-against-trump-a-political-act-will-gravely-weaken-trump_5182407.html?utm_source=News&src_src=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2023-04-10-1&src_cmp=breaking-2023-04-10-1&utm_medium=email&est=v6TtKURnroluGGjawj04O%2B7Zi5cv4vniBxyw6xu8bxK%2FZUOgutbEnkxgaPlnHqeiVJfw
Title: she knows
Post by: ccp on April 11, 2023, 01:38:27 PM
sssshhhh- 

'She Knows' has the inside skinny on Melania / Donald:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/donald-trump-reportedly-made-very-182619657.html

ooooh aaaaah

let stop posting so I can call all my friends and share the hot gossip

 :wink:
Title: Citizen Trump sues Michael Cohen
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 12, 2023, 05:05:32 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/donald-trump-files-500-million-lawsuit-against-former-lawyer-michael-cohen/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=31143557
Title: Citizen Trump business empire expanding
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 15, 2023, 08:04:45 PM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trumps-financial-report-shows-his-business-empire-expanding_5195086.html?utm_source=Goodevening&src_src=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2023-04-15&src_cmp=gv-2023-04-15&utm_medium=email&est=0Zq9b5mUyHC2QBJZ84sVDs9xDTeXE4G8QnuEmq3g7omlFk%2BwQz8RcYC52bYtJtpcxErY
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 17, 2023, 01:22:07 PM
Is Alvin Bragg’s Case Against Trump Constitutional?
Biden—and all future presidents—should hope for a ruling that it falls foul of the Supremacy Clause.
By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Kristin A. Shapiro
April 17, 2023 3:24 pm ET


Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s indictment of Donald Trump could mean trouble down the road for Joe Biden. “I think our Republican AGs and DAs”—attorneys general and district attorneys—“should get creative,” Mike Davis, a Republican former Senate staffer, told the New York Post. Rep. James Comer told Fox that he’s heard from at least two prosecutors who “want to know if there are ways they can go after the Bidens now.”

Mr. Biden himself is currently safe under the accepted view that sitting presidents are immune from prosecution. But under the Trump precedent, what’s to stop an ambitious Republican prosecutor somewhere from bringing dubious state charges against him before a hostile jury after he leaves office? Likewise for his successors of either party. Every four to eight years, prosecutors would order up a presidential ham sandwich. Presidents might end up having to flee the country when they leave office.

But there’s a way Mr. Trump could stop the madness that would serve his own interests as well as his successors’. His lawyers should file a notice in the Southern District of New York to remove the case to federal court under a unique legal defense: immunity under the U.S. Constitution’s Supremacy Clause.

The clause provides that federal laws, including the Constitution, “shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.” The Supreme Court stated in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) that “it is of the very essence” of the federal government’s supremacy “to remove all obstacles to its action within its own sphere, and so to modify every power vested in subordinate governments, as to exempt its own operations from their own influence.” The justices invalidated Maryland’s tax on the Bank of the United States on grounds that the power to tax the federal government would make a state “capable of arresting all the measures of the government, and of prostrating it at the foot of the states.”


One pivotal aspect of the Supremacy Clause is its provision of immunity to federal officers from state criminal prosecution for actions relating to their federal duties. The seminal case is In re Neagle (1890), in which the justices held that California couldn’t criminally prosecute a federal marshal for killing a man in defense of Justice Stephen Field. If a federal officer “can be arrested and brought to trial in a state court for an alleged offense against the law of the state, yet warranted by the federal authority they possess,” the court found, “the operations of the general government may at any time be arrested at the will of one of its members.”

To be sure, the case against Mr. Trump involves conduct that wasn’t “warranted by the federal authority” he possessed. But there is a strong argument that Supremacy Clause immunity should extend to any state criminal prosecutions of federal officers undertaken because of their federal service, even if the charged conduct is unrelated to their federal duties. Permitting states to burden former federal officers on account of their federal services offends the Supremacy Clause’s core principles and makes it easy for aggressive state prosecutors to circumvent. As the Supreme Court warned in Neagle, “unfriendly” states could administer the law “in such a manner as to paralyze the operations of the government.” That threat exists anytime former or current federal officers are targeted for criminal prosecution because of their federal service. A president or other official can’t lead effectively under constant threat of retaliatory prosecution.


Mr. Trump’s foes like to say that no one is above the law; and Mr. Biden’s enemies would no doubt adopt the same slogan. But Supremacy Clause immunity wouldn’t vitiate that principle. It wouldn’t prevent federal prosecutions, and it would protect against state criminal prosecutions only when the prosecutor targeted the defendant for his federal service. Mr. Trump could still be prosecuted if he shot a passerby on Fifth Avenue.

A recognition of Supremacy Clause immunity in this context would involve an inquiry into a prosecutor’s state of mind, something courts are reluctant to undertake in most contexts. But not all—courts are regularly required to determine, for example, whether a prosecutor has engaged in racial discrimination in jury selection, or whether a state criminal prosecution is motivated by a desire to harass the defendant.

First Amendment case law also recognizes, in the context of protecting core constitutional rights, the impermissibility of disparate law-enforcement treatment. In Nieves v. Bartlett (2019), the high court held that probable cause isn’t sufficient to block a retaliatory-arrest claim “when a plaintiff presents objective evidence that he was arrested when otherwise similarly situated individuals not engaged in the same sort of protected speech had not been.”


An inquiry into whether a state criminal prosecution was undertaken because of the defendant’s federal service would involve judicially manageable questions such as whether a reasonable prosecutor would bring the charges and whether there are indicia of political retribution. Mr. Trump has a strong argument here. Does anyone believe he’d be prosecuted for anything having to do with Stormy Daniels if he hadn’t become president?

Federal officers, including former officers, have a statutory right to remove state civil or criminal cases against them “for or relating to any act under color of such office” to federal court (emphasis added). The U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted this language broadly, explaining in Willingham v. Morgan (1969) that “the test for removal should be broader, not narrower, than the test for official immunity” because the purpose of the statute “is to have the validity of the defense of official immunity tried in a federal court.”

In Jefferson County v. Acker (1999), the justices permitted removal of state actions against two federal judges seeking collection of a state occupational tax. The court explained that, even though the tax was imposed on the judges personally, it was effectively a tax on the performance of their federal duties, thereby providing the “essential nexus” between their official duties and the state prosecution.

Mr. Trump has 30 days after his arraignment—until May 4—to invoke the federal-officer removal statute. Because a novel and important constitutional issue would be at stake, the case could easily reach the Supreme Court, and it would be wise for the federal courts to delay any state trial until Mr. Trump’s immunity defense is resolved. With only 21 months remaining in his term, Mr. Biden might find himself quietly rooting for a decision in his predecessor’s favor.

Mr. Rivkin served at the Justice Department and the White House Counsel’s Office in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. Ms. Shapiro served as an attorney-adviser at the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel during the Trump and Biden administrations and is a senior fellow at the Independent Women’s Forum. Both practice appellate and constitutional law in Washington.
Title: Citizen Trump= Samson?
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 18, 2023, 08:52:11 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnnantz/2023/04/18/trump-might-be-a-modern-samson-n2622078
Title: rape allegations
Post by: ccp on April 27, 2023, 06:20:47 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jury-probably-decided-trump-fate-013257966.html

Of course I don't know
but I don't believe her

sounds totally coached by lawyers what to say
do we know of any lawyers that would like to frame DJT?

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 27, 2023, 11:48:28 AM
25-30 years ago?!? 

Fizz off!!!
Title: Citizen Trump is an anus who does not understand the American Creed
Post by: Crafty_Dog on April 29, 2023, 09:40:27 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/trump-snaps-at-bill-maher-and-demands-hbo-be-forced-to-put-on-counter-programming/ar-AA1awEul?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=48857996d5654e559a3c94160be3ee86&ei=13
Title: not every woman likes to be grabbed by their private parts
Post by: ccp on May 09, 2023, 03:11:30 PM
I don't believe
she was raped
but molested or grabbed

certainly does seem quite plausible from a guy who is ON
TAPE boasting about it (billy bush tape) and is known to lie

The LEFT now has THIS to TELL us 24/7 !

please can we get rid of Trump ?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 09, 2023, 04:52:28 PM
If I may, a tangent:

"not every woman likes to be grabbed by her private parts".

Thank you.
Title: Re: not every woman likes to be grabbed by their private parts
Post by: G M on May 10, 2023, 06:46:08 AM
https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=852,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/137/454/170/original/60a812d53f00197b.png

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=852,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/137/454/170/original/60a812d53f00197b.png)

I don't believe
she was raped
but molested or grabbed

certainly does seem quite plausible from a guy who is ON
TAPE boasting about it (billy bush tape) and is known to lie

The LEFT now has THIS to TELL us 24/7 !

please can we get rid of Trump ?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on May 10, 2023, 07:17:55 AM
listening to the breakdown of the case
it is clear this was a get trump political tool
of the lawsters

Levin had good analysis last night.

that said the LEFT now can go on and on about this for eternity
and more easily ignore the flood of immigration
and Comer's Hunter / Joe report on their corruption

 :roll:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 10, 2023, 07:41:32 AM
https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=852,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/137/454/697/original/7f210ab0a55b3f08.jpg

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=852,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/137/454/697/original/7f210ab0a55b3f08.jpg)

listening to the breakdown of the case
it is clear this was a get trump political tool
of the lawsters

Levin had good analysis last night.

that said the LEFT now can go on and on about this for eternity
and more easily ignore the flood of immigration
and Comer's Hunter / Joe report on their corruption

 :roll:
Title: To a TDS friend
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 10, 2023, 09:33:47 AM


Dershowitz says he has a very good chance of prevailing on appeal.

Working from memory as to what he said:

a) Serious statute of limitations issues- hell they can't even pin down what year the alleged events happened.  27 years ago?  29 years ago?

b) Serious issues about the "evidence" that the judge admitted;

c) Serious issues about the witnesses allowed to testify;

d) On my own I would note the champerty issue:  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champerty  This may have something to do with why she brought it up now after all these years.  We saw similar horseshit with the Kavanaugh accusations.

e) hard to believe the jury pool made it possible to have an unbiased jury;

f) then, given the track record of all concerned with the plethora of events with Bill Clinton, there is the matter of consistency in application of standards.

g) Then there is the matter of the plausibility of her accusation of actual rape in the dressing room of a major department store.  The jury disbelieved her rape charge, yet gave her credibility on the grabbing her by the pussy charge.  Where is the logical consistency here?

ALL THAT SAID, OF COURSE IT IS PLAUSIBLE THAT HE GRABBED HER BY PUSSY!

THAT SAID, UNDER THE RULE OF LAW IT IS CRAP TO BRING SUCH A CHARGE NEARLY 30 YEARS LATER.

GIVEN THE SIX YEARS OF THE DEEP STATE OPERATING OUTSIDE THE RULE OF LAW TO BRING HIM DOWN, AT THIS POINT MY STARTING POINT IS TO DISRESPECT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THEY SAY.

QUITE DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO MATTER TO YOU.

Cornered into the choice I'd certainly vote for him over the corrupt and COMPROMISED BY CHINA AND UKRAINE President Biden-- this apart from his senility and AmINO values (America In Name Only)-- if only to bring an end to the invasion of our country (7+M and counting!) the geopolitical disaster heading our way, and the racial marxism.

At present I root for DeSantis.
Title: Even more disgusting lawster change in law in NY
Post by: ccp on May 10, 2023, 10:04:26 AM
this was almost certainly passed to get Trump

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-signs-adult-survivors-act

lets also no forget Conway became anti Trump after he was not offered administrative job :

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/carroll-v-trump-the-rape-case-that-started-at-a-resistance-party

RULE OF LAW  now the rule

RULE OF LAWYERS

the shysters of the profession
Title: Candidate Trump on the Second Amendment
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 11, 2023, 03:58:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZwpsKS3Cw&t=17s 
Title: Who could have seen this coming? Today's episode 3.0
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 11, 2023, 05:34:24 PM
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/05/11/yikes-e-jean-carroll-tweeted-a-bunch-of-creepy-stuff-including-sex-tips-she-learned-from-her-dog/?bcid=114c7a4042a4225acea7caf4796fd0c144ca8d0f2c7569463432bc31fef89f42&utm_campaign=nl&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twtydaily
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on May 11, 2023, 09:25:12 PM
sorry this is not admissible evidence
in a case against Trump ......

too prejudicial and has no bearing on situation from 27 yrs
ago.  :wink:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 12, 2023, 06:20:37 AM
Of course that is how the judge ruled, but I would submit it has quite a bit to do with the credibility of the accuser.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 12, 2023, 06:30:27 AM
Of course that is how the judge ruled, but I would submit it has quite a bit to do with the credibility of the accuser.

Wow, it's like the same kangaroo kourt lawfare tactics used against Alex Jones was used against Trump. Who could have foreseen this?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 12, 2023, 06:59:18 AM
OK, I'll bite.  How are the two cases the same?
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 12, 2023, 07:21:42 AM
OK, I'll bite.  How are the two cases the same?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnYVPq7Q4c

Start at 6:45

Robert Barnes explains.
Title: Champerty
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 12, 2023, 09:14:09 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rape-sexy-trump-accuser-bankrolled-billionaire-hoax-funding-linkedin-founder

PS:  Looks like ZH may be blurring the lines here on the rape charge, but as far as I can tell the champerty issue remains.
Title: humorous but
Post by: ccp on May 13, 2023, 08:42:00 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/05/12/trump-rolls-out-new-shirt-aimed-at-taunting-cnn-n2623198

but hardly going  to be the "great uniter " that the major blowhard, Dick Morris
speaks of ....... :roll:

In addition again he promotes himself not the policies or ideology....  :roll:
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 13, 2023, 09:35:30 AM
Point taken, but can be defended on OODA loop grounds.   What is CNN to do now?  Give up the ratings machine that he is, or ???
Title: Carroll now thinks she should get 10 mill more
Post by: ccp on May 23, 2023, 08:00:20 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/columnist-adds-trumps-post-verdict-215011265.html

I wonder.
When the first case gets overturned on appeal
can he sue her and her lawyers

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 23, 2023, 01:04:17 PM
Trump is right.  Whacko nut job.
Title: Intriguing , , ,
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 24, 2023, 06:36:47 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/24/donald-trump-tells-ag-merrick-garland-he-wants-to-/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=IMcfrHA9aA9LfekMOgKJ4giIVke9esdGx7vFKlFp689IL6Q8ogHMsFqDKnCw02KP&bt_ts=1684932042214
Title: Re: Intriguing , , ,
Post by: G M on May 24, 2023, 06:39:30 AM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/may/24/donald-trump-tells-ag-merrick-garland-he-wants-to-/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_campaign=newsalert&utm_content=newsalert&utm_term=newsalert&bt_ee=IMcfrHA9aA9LfekMOgKJ4giIVke9esdGx7vFKlFp689IL6Q8ogHMsFqDKnCw02KP&bt_ts=1684932042214

If only Comrade Stalin Garland knew!
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on May 27, 2023, 12:52:19 PM
oooohh aaaahhh

this is very big deal :

Michael Cohen has secret tape of Trump discussing "hush money to his playboy girlfriend

the scandal  of the century;  this must be illegal - ask Larry lib to find a way

they got him now  :wink: :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll: :roll:

write aaron katersky of ABC non news

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/secret-audio-tape-reportedly-among-013705352.html

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on May 27, 2023, 01:55:20 PM
Are the walls closing in?


oooohh aaaahhh

this is very big deal :

Michael Cohen has secret tape of Trump discussing "hush money to his playboy girlfriend

the scandal  of the century;  this must be illegal - ask Larry lib to find a way

they got him now  :wink: :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll: :roll:

write aaron katersky of ABC non news

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/secret-audio-tape-reportedly-among-013705352.html
Title: Citizen Trump backs impeached TX AG Paxton
Post by: Crafty_Dog on May 28, 2023, 09:31:47 AM


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/missing-in-action-trump-fumes-at-texas-gov-greg-abbott-for-abandoning-his-impeached-ag-ken-paxton/ar-AA1bNFny?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c0b2453ae96411d958f55935b441811&ei=10
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on June 06, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/revealed-mar-a-lago-wasn-t-the-first-time-trump-evidence-was-flooded/ar-AA1ccvoJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=22f0654691d342edb9502d5af3e4003c&ei=16
Title: Citizen Trump, another take on the document case
Post by: DougMacG on June 22, 2023, 06:20:34 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/06/19/frankly_jack_smith_i_dont_give_a_damn_149370.html#2
Title: Re: Citizen Trump, another take on the document case
Post by: G M on June 22, 2023, 10:09:26 AM
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/06/19/frankly_jack_smith_i_dont_give_a_damn_149370.html#2

Again, who has the ultimate declassification authority?

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: ccp on June 22, 2023, 11:10:39 AM
"Again, who has the ultimate declassification authority?"

well,
ex presidents do not.

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: G M on June 22, 2023, 11:12:55 AM
"Again, who has the ultimate declassification authority?"

well,
ex presidents do not.

Was Trump president went he took the documents?
Title: Ex Trump Press Secretary says Trump showed docs to Mar a Lago guests
Post by: Crafty_Dog on July 05, 2023, 04:31:10 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-press-secretary-trump-showed-docs-to-mar-a-lago-guests-has-no-respect-for-classified-information/ar-AA1dt3D0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6aba72a93d76478aba2c5ed775e1e09a&ei=10
Title: Servants: The Achilles heel of the rich and powerful
Post by: Crafty_Dog on August 08, 2023, 01:26:16 PM
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/wanderland/the-achilles-heel-of-the-rich-and-powerful/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paidsocial&utm_campaign=PROS-NEWS_TheDispatch_Internal_Meta_CVR_Web_Subscribe&utm_audience=PROS_US_18%2B_Both_Facebook_Subscribe_Open&utm_content=PROS_IMAGE_LAND_Newsletter_46436&fbclid=IwAR3I-4ECBCqpIxyeqJJ-WcB3Z6JcLBrONTUJ7y8WGSvXFQi1UtBGcHoa5SI
Title: Jared equity fund funded almost all from Arab countries
Post by: ccp on August 16, 2023, 01:07:51 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ive-never-seen-anything-economic-184852509.html

Of course Rattner another Democrat liberal

but I agree this has poor optics

and maybe more
Title: Citizen Trump with Tucker
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 02, 2023, 01:25:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIsemTMgyO0
Title: Trump: Alex Soros :
Post by: ccp on September 11, 2023, 02:22:37 PM
" spoiled little degenerate "

https://www.dailyfetched.com/trump-torches-declares-alex-soros-a-spoiled-little-degenerate-we-cant-let-him-win/

while I wholeheartedly agree I must note :

the exact same thing can be said of Trump.

And there my folks lies the problem and

that is why we need to be rid of him.

Title: Trump states in public my views
Post by: ccp on September 18, 2023, 08:31:12 AM
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-759484

of course the "anti semite" trope will make the MSM waves

I am not offended by this at all.
It is frankly obvious to me this has merit.

I wonder how Mark Levin will handle this.
He once lamented few yrs back how the liberal Jews came over from Europe and "brought their socialism ( probably would say Communism now ) with them".

We see Jewish attorney after another lambasting Trump
We see the 29 out of 40 ish Jewish legislative members doing the same.
We see many Jews in media doing the same.
We see the Zuckerbergs Soros doing the same.

We see the MSM still hitting Netanyahu more then not.

Civil war amongst Jews exists here and in Israel

Probably most prominent Conservative Jews , I suspect will ignore this, afraid to chime in .

We will see.



Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on September 18, 2023, 03:43:54 PM
"I am not offended by this at all.  It is frankly obvious to me this has merit."

Yup.
Title: Trump goes to civil trial
Post by: DougMacG on October 02, 2023, 07:10:17 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/donald-trump-new-york-ag-letitia-james-civil-trial

David Letterman starts the questioning:
https://youtu.be/wVsAir5fDbs?si=Payne
Title: John Kelly
Post by: ccp on October 04, 2023, 08:23:51 AM
recently I posted how I greatly respected him

not sure what to make of this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/crybaby-turncoat-general-is-writing-new-book-about/

he has either had enough of living with Trump in person or on TV OR/AND he finally accepted the $$$ to write bad things about orange haired man
 :-o
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 04, 2023, 09:05:36 AM
I posted about this moments ago on the 2024 thread due to its implications for the election.
Title: Financial times, Trump valuations were right
Post by: DougMacG on October 06, 2023, 04:26:50 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/5ee4d2de-5b66-4425-8ece-250491724212
--------------------
(Doug) Let's assume there is a perfect number for valuation which of course is hogwash. If there is a perfect number, there is no way for any of the parties to know it, and it changes every minute or second.

When an owner is asked to Value his property or holding, because he must err, he must err on the high side.  Any error on the low side potentially takes money out of his own pocket. Same for interpretations of square footage and other features. The article indicates that in the science of valuation one of the tools used is Imagination. The owner of a property likely has more imagination for his property than a disinterested party.

Stated here before by others, there is no reason to believe the bank or insurance company or any other party did not do valuations of their own. Due diligence and fiduciary responsibility.  To take the owner's word for it would be malfeasance, negligence, incompetence.
Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on October 06, 2023, 04:35:39 PM
Paywalled.
Title: Citizen Trump-Zelensky
Post by: Crafty_Dog on November 07, 2023, 03:52:55 AM
Actually, this is an appropriate response.

https://resistthemainstream.com/trump-responds-to-zelenskyys-invite-to-visit-ukraine/?utm_source=newsletter1
Title: Pravda on the Potomac drops some acid and trips out
Post by: Crafty_Dog on December 01, 2023, 11:01:44 AM


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/30/trump-dictator-2024-election-robert-kagan/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzAxMzIwNDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzAyNzAyNzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MDEzMjA0MDAsImp0aSI6IjcwODAxOTg1LTNmMDktNGQwMi1hZGNjLTJhZmM1ODFmNTlhNCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDIzLzExLzMwL3RydW1wLWRpY3RhdG9yLTIwMjQtZWxlY3Rpb24tcm9iZXJ0LWthZ2FuLyJ9.F5JfhkmeIYSVv33y2b0e3-7mMd_pxzZS6-7mcPPVb5c
Title: This is the law clerk who has been thorn in DJT side
Post by: ccp on December 03, 2023, 10:09:47 AM
friend of Schumer:

https://aussiecelebs.com.au/chuck-schumer-girlfriend-allison-r-greenfield-wikipedia/
Title: Leaker of Trump's tax returns gets wrist slap
Post by: ccp on January 28, 2024, 09:02:24 AM
One defense is Charles Littlejohn did what he thought was the right thing to do when committing the crime:

A lawyer for Littlejohn said a five-year sentence—the maximum—would be “extreme” and unjustified. “He did what he thought was right at the time, but now fully acknowledges that he was wrong,”

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/investigators-sought-jeff-bezos-tax-return-leaker-they-stumbled-upon-donald-trumps-ff01cc5f

Title: justice for once
Post by: ccp on January 29, 2024, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-irs-contractor-sentenced-to-5-years-in-prison-for-leaking-trump-tax-records/ar-BB1hraOb?ocid=msedgntphdr&cvid=b02f2a482bde402f81a56ac78b77a780&ei=21

of course NYT gets off scott free

yes I know
the benefits of the public right to know supercedes the crime in releasing he information
Title: !!!
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 29, 2024, 05:01:02 PM
YAY!
Title: the rape allegation smear
Post by: ccp on January 30, 2024, 03:25:34 PM
clearly political
clearly either bogus or exaggerated

from what this non attorney arm chair headline readers sees both this Joe Tacopena
and this Habbas attorneys were both way over their heads and bungled the defense.
OTOH not clear how much good attorneys would have made a difference with DNC opposition from the filing of the case to the Judge to probably most of the jurors

Have to admit Nikki sounded stupid the other day she has full faith in the jury awarding 82 million in damages when even the plaintiff attorney was only asking for 10 million.

Sounds like the opposite of jury nullification if you ask me.
(no one did but I will post anyway)

yeah sure a "jury of his peers"

Title: Re: Citizen Trump
Post by: Crafty_Dog on January 30, 2024, 04:04:26 PM
What I have seen of Habbas has left me underwhelmed.

That said, the statute upending the statute of limitations, the indictment, the judge, and the jury made the outcome a forgone conclusion.
 
Title: Cohen's Perjured Testimony re Citizen Trump
Post by: Body-by-Guinness on March 28, 2024, 12:02:56 PM
As Trumps NY "hush money" trial looms in April, it's well worth remembering these Cohen tidbits as he'll be a prime witness:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/2018-letter-michael-cohens-lawyers-admitting-trump-knew/