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Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care
« on: November 06, 2008, 06:24:49 AM »
Crafty just curious as man with children
I am a bit baffled by your contempt for universal health care
I think Americans call these entitlements . I'm canadian so the concept of being turned away at a hospital for monetary reasons
is completely foreign to me. Over crowding yes but not for lack of cash
Do you think your personal wealth should dictate whether your child should live or die?
I find this odd in that The Dog Brother culture is based on the community of the tribe or is it a pack
As a tribe you work together to become stronger you protect the little ones so that they have a chance to grow up to become productive members of the pack
You protect the elderly and infirm because they are your source of knowledge
Even in a pack wolves they protect the young and an older less able pack member is left at the den to guard the pubs or so I' told
Universal health care is not an "entitlement" it is a community decision to look after one another
The US is the only G8 country that does not provide some form of universal health care
I make a good wage and pay a boat load of taxes much more than it would cost for my once yearly trip to the doctor
but when accidents happen like when i tore the cartilage in my knee competing in Bjj in Brazil.
The system was there for me. I saw my GP took a weeks to get in. He refered me to a specialist
took 3 months to see him . Sent me for a MRI 6 weeks, another consultation with the specialist and he booked me for surgery in 6 weeks
got fixed, got some physio, went back to brazil the following july and won.
Total cost to me 0 becuse my employer pays for more health care insurance.
Other wise a couple of 100 for meds, physio and a chiropractor.
Now if that would have happened in the US in lets say the 1980 during the recession when i was an unemployed student
and both my parents had lost there jobs. I would be still limping today.
I can tell you similar stories about the various broken finger, concussions and nasty infections
that were dealt with before they become serious because as an unemployed student all I had to do was go to the local medical clinic and wait my turn
I was told in the US I could have had done in two weeks for 5000. If you are rich no need to wait your turn?
I consider myself a libertarian not interested in being surveilled, counted or have the government telling what to read or who to associate with,
who i can marry or what substance in can put in my body.
I don't want the government listen to my phone calls, reading my mail or seeing what crazy things i look up on the interweb or seeing how i spend my money
But what about my community.
Do my taxes benefit the community?
I say yes because if i had to make a choice between my daughter getting medical attention that would save her life and committing a crime
I think i would be a criminal and crime is an act against the community.
I see universal health care as a decision to strengthen your community
is Canada's system perfect hell no its rationed health care but if you are rich you can always go to the US
I think with Mr Obama you are about to find your community
Best Regards
I am a bit baffled by your contempt for universal health care
I think Americans call these entitlements . I'm canadian so the concept of being turned away at a hospital for monetary reasons
is completely foreign to me. Over crowding yes but not for lack of cash
Do you think your personal wealth should dictate whether your child should live or die?
I find this odd in that The Dog Brother culture is based on the community of the tribe or is it a pack
As a tribe you work together to become stronger you protect the little ones so that they have a chance to grow up to become productive members of the pack
You protect the elderly and infirm because they are your source of knowledge
Even in a pack wolves they protect the young and an older less able pack member is left at the den to guard the pubs or so I' told
Universal health care is not an "entitlement" it is a community decision to look after one another
The US is the only G8 country that does not provide some form of universal health care
I make a good wage and pay a boat load of taxes much more than it would cost for my once yearly trip to the doctor
but when accidents happen like when i tore the cartilage in my knee competing in Bjj in Brazil.
The system was there for me. I saw my GP took a weeks to get in. He refered me to a specialist
took 3 months to see him . Sent me for a MRI 6 weeks, another consultation with the specialist and he booked me for surgery in 6 weeks
got fixed, got some physio, went back to brazil the following july and won.
Total cost to me 0 becuse my employer pays for more health care insurance.
Other wise a couple of 100 for meds, physio and a chiropractor.
Now if that would have happened in the US in lets say the 1980 during the recession when i was an unemployed student
and both my parents had lost there jobs. I would be still limping today.
I can tell you similar stories about the various broken finger, concussions and nasty infections
that were dealt with before they become serious because as an unemployed student all I had to do was go to the local medical clinic and wait my turn
I was told in the US I could have had done in two weeks for 5000. If you are rich no need to wait your turn?
I consider myself a libertarian not interested in being surveilled, counted or have the government telling what to read or who to associate with,
who i can marry or what substance in can put in my body.
I don't want the government listen to my phone calls, reading my mail or seeing what crazy things i look up on the interweb or seeing how i spend my money
But what about my community.
Do my taxes benefit the community?
I say yes because if i had to make a choice between my daughter getting medical attention that would save her life and committing a crime
I think i would be a criminal and crime is an act against the community.
I see universal health care as a decision to strengthen your community
is Canada's system perfect hell no its rationed health care but if you are rich you can always go to the US
I think with Mr Obama you are about to find your community
Best Regards