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Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Europe
« on: February 01, 2013, 04:36:52 PM »
Europeans are going to wish they'd kept their guns about the time their Islamist populations reach about 30%........multi-culturalism is a great idea, until you get a significant minority population that doesn't share your view of a multi-cultural world, and finally gains the numbers to flex their muscle.  Then it becomes cold hard reality that, perhaps, a little xenophobia might be healthy thing......Kind of like a cultural immune system.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: January 31, 2013, 01:04:55 PM »
For another thread perhaps, what I intended with 'America's Inner City', but most of what is wrong in inner Chicago has nothing to do with gun laws either way.  Yes, guns laws have left the law abiding and the innocent unarmed and exacerbated the crisis, but the shootings - the willingness to kill and risk life in prison and to be killed yourself at the rate of over 500 per year(!) - has to do with a cultural problem caused by multi-generational government inference in the finances and structure of the family more than by anything else IMHO.

An adult male, who does not have the responsibility of helping raise and support his family, to get to bed early and set an alarm clock for work, will go do what?  Almost anything.  Gang, drug, street fight, armed robbery, turf war, murders, yes.  Start a white collar investment company that caters to all the thriving and growing small businesses in the neighborhood and marry his college sweatheart? Probably not, if those of you further away from these neighborhoods have seen the youtubes of the cultural climate their.

The murders are the symptom of the dysfunction, not the cause or the main problem. 

The 500+ per year murders in just one, out of control city are in a different category of crime IMO than the mental health related, mass, copycat shootings of strangers for final attention that started this current, anti-2nd amendment, ball rolling.
I would add twin problems of multgenerational government interference both on the welfare/assistance front, and on the backend, by generations of incarceration, crime and poverty, resulting from those communities being heavily targeted for enforcement of the nations drug laws.  Whether one believes in the objectives of the 'war on drugs' or not, one is forced to acknowledge that the unintended consequences is generations of inner-city youth left to be reared by single-mothers while their fathers, uncles, and brothers have been indoctrinated into a violent prison gang culture, cycling in and out of incarceration, and bringing that culture of violence to the next generation of males, who's only view of male role models are those same men who have been reared in violent prison culture.

If we're looking at one single factor that explains why the US has 3 times the homicide rate of the UK, for example, we must plant it squarely at the feet of unintended consequences for American drug control policies.......Likely 75% of all US homicides are directly or indirectly a result of the illegal drug trade.....Likely an even higher percentage of the homicides in Chicago, for example.

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Politics & Religion / Assassination of US citizens in US?
« on: January 24, 2013, 02:59:30 PM »
Crafty, if you haven't seen this give it a glance......The HEAD of the FBI in a hearing of congress.......Answers the question of whether it had been addressed in recent hearings that he's not SURE if it's been addressed whether the government has the authority to assassinate US Citizens INSIDE the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWyPsD5eEA

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Politics & Religion / Re: NY Gun Control FAIL
« on: January 18, 2013, 04:05:54 PM »
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116

Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement

Updated at 05:45 PM todayTags:new york city, albany, gun control, new york news, jim hoffer
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NEW YORK (WABC) -- It appears someone forgot to exempt police officers from the ban of ammunition clips with more than 7 bullets in New York State's new gun control law.


It's a big oversight that apparently happened in the haste by the Cuomo Administration to get a tough package of gun-control measures signed into law.

On Tuesday, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the sweeping gun measure, the nation's toughest. It includes a ban on the possession of high-capacity magazines.


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More: Get AlertsSpecifically, magazines with more than 7 rounds will be illegal under the new law.

The problem as the statute is currently written does NOT exempt law enforcement officers.

The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity.

Unless an exemption is added by the time the law takes effect in March, police would technically be in violation of the new gun measure.

Within the last hour, the Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

A spokesman for the Governor's office called us to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included."



I think it's very important that they don't exempt the police..........If you only need 7 rounds to defend yourself, that should be sufficient.  I saw that as a 15 year police veteran.  What's good for the goose......


As to gun registration, it's necessary to impose mandatory registration before confiscation can occur.  If you allow people the illusion that they can keep their guns if they register them, they will register them.  Then you can come back and confiscate what is registered.  If you simply demand they turn them in, the non-complicance rate will be extraordinarily high and currently the government has no idea where all those guns are.

Imagine the logistics involved for the NYPD to find 7 rnd. mags for their duty weapons and collecting all the non-standard mags. They're in crisis at 1PP over this, I'll bet.

Absolutely........Considering GLOCK doesn't make 7 round magazines that i'm aware of.

And to go and amend the law makes them look like hypocrites.

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Politics & Religion / Re: NY Gun Control FAIL
« on: January 18, 2013, 12:13:37 PM »
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116

Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement

Updated at 05:45 PM todayTags:new york city, albany, gun control, new york news, jim hoffer
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Jim Hoffer
More: Bio, Blog, Facebook, Twitter, Stories by Jim Hoffer, News Team Eyewitness News
NEW YORK (WABC) -- It appears someone forgot to exempt police officers from the ban of ammunition clips with more than 7 bullets in New York State's new gun control law.


It's a big oversight that apparently happened in the haste by the Cuomo Administration to get a tough package of gun-control measures signed into law.

On Tuesday, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the sweeping gun measure, the nation's toughest. It includes a ban on the possession of high-capacity magazines.


Related Content
More: Follow us @EyewitnessNYC
More: Get AlertsSpecifically, magazines with more than 7 rounds will be illegal under the new law.

The problem as the statute is currently written does NOT exempt law enforcement officers.

The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity.

Unless an exemption is added by the time the law takes effect in March, police would technically be in violation of the new gun measure.

Within the last hour, the Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

A spokesman for the Governor's office called us to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included."



I think it's very important that they don't exempt the police..........If you only need 7 rounds to defend yourself, that should be sufficient.  I saw that as a 15 year police veteran.  What's good for the goose......


As to gun registration, it's necessary to impose mandatory registration before confiscation can occur.  If you allow people the illusion that they can keep their guns if they register them, they will register them.  Then you can come back and confiscate what is registered.  If you simply demand they turn them in, the non-complicance rate will be extraordinarily high and currently the government has no idea where all those guns are.

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Politics & Religion / Re: History of Gun Control
« on: January 16, 2013, 02:36:12 PM »
On a side note, it appears that the Chinese actually have an official training program for mass executions.......Note the standardized techniques used in the above executions.

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one." -Vladimir I. Lenin






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Politics & Religion / Re: The death of the rule of law
« on: January 15, 2013, 05:57:12 PM »
Half this country is increasingly populated by people who desire a benevolent messianic figure as government leader, ala Hugo Chavez.  Their notion of government is mother and father to provide for them craddle to grave.   That represents an irreconcilable difference with the other half of us with a diametric opposition to despotic figures, benevolent or otherwise.  At it's root is a fundamental disagreement over the very definition of the words 'right' and 'liberty'.....Positive and Negative Liberty....With the left viewing it through the lense of socialism, ones 'liberty' being some service or benefit OWED to them by the government.....One has a 'right to free healthcare', One has a 'right to social safety net', One has a 'right to protection from the government'.......With the rest of us viewing liberty as being FREE from government intervention, 'One has freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of property, freedom of association, right to bear arms'.........These two views are not compatible.


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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: January 15, 2013, 11:25:26 AM »
I would say that a significant MAJORITY of Americans support our gun rights and a significant minority would entertain notions of resistance.

I would say you're right......If even 1% of gun owners took significant action, that would be about 1 million men and women (by way of comparison there are only 800,000 police officers.......1.4 Million Active Duty military and 1.4 Million reserve).......To complicate the numbers further, many of those MOST likely to resist are among those 800,000 police officers AND 3 million active and reserve (among the most conservative members of society)........
'One in Three Americans Personally Own a Gun'

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Further, that the majority of active duty military personnel are disproportionately from states MOST likely to be involved with any resistance of the federal government on the matter.
http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/E8F05D884C7E78E45A200DC953ED3854.gif

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http://www.westernjournalism.com/the-left-is-convinced-americans-wont-fight-for-2nd-amendment-rights/

The Left Is Convinced Americans Won’t Fight For 2nd Amendment Rights

January 7, 2013 By Doug Book 85 Comments










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Once cowed at the thought of provoking Second Amendment supporters, leftists will soon attempt to ban “assault weapons” (and much more) as legislation offered by Dianne Feinstein makes its way to the Senate floor. It seems that D.C. liberals have finally become convinced that American gun owners are too cowardly, too lazy or too dependent upon the generosity of Big Brother to fight for their Second Amendment rights.
 



During the past four years, the gun banning-Left have watched as American buyers broke sales records in the purchase of semi-automatic rifles.  Opting for these and other powerful, efficient weapons, it is estimated that some 100 million private citizens are now in possession of over 300 million firearms. And these numbers continue to grow with each passing month.
 
Yet it’s against this backdrop of America’s unprecedented determination to assert the fundamental permanence of Second  Amendment guarantees that Diane Feinstein, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama and others will choose to implement gun bans, demand the federal registration of firearms, and even legislate outright confiscation.
 
Maybe Democrats are confident that fallout from Sandy Hook will provide the floor votes necessary to  disarm the American people. But if the Left is willing to risk picking this fight with millions of American gun owners, it must also believe something far more important—that Americans who have spent years arming themselves against the ultimate expression of tyranny by their own government–the overthrow of the Second Amendment– will choose to not fight when the time finally comes.
 
For decades, the Left have watched Americans simply “lie down” before every imaginable outrage and legislative assault on our liberty. The Constitution has been prostituted by power-hungry, America-hating Marxists in Congress, on the federal bench and in the White House. Elected officials have laughed when asked to provide Constitutional authority for the passage of massively unpopular pieces of legislation. Tax dollars are insolently manipulated to purchase votes, grease the skids of questionable legislation, and add to the wealth of bureaucrats and elected officials. And through it all, Americans are robbed of more and more liberty as we do nothing but “vote ‘em in and cuss ‘em out” every two years.
 
Liberals have come to depend upon the willingness of Americans to subordinate their desire for liberty to the wishes and whims of the political ruling class. The cowardly are rewarded for relenting while those with the courage to question dictatorial authority and refuse to submit are accused of domestic terrorism. And all who press their own beliefs—or worse, those of the nations’ Founders– are met with ridicule or intimidation in what was at one time a nation of free, thinking individuals.
 



In short, the Left has come to expect cowardice or disinterested submission from a people trained for decades to accept as given that the good intentions of their elected betters are sufficient to fulfill the requirements of constitutional authority.  And it’s a safe bet neither Democrats nor RINO’s will expect anything different from the majority of Americans this time around as Feinstein and Company legislate last rites and a funeral for the Second Amendment.
 
We know what the Left believe. We’ll soon find out if they are right.
 
Photo credit: Rev. Xanatos Satanicos Bombasticos (ClintJCL) (Creative Commons)

I think they seriously underestimate the divide in this country, and the degree to which one half of this country resents them and outright despises what they perceive as the excesses and overreach of their political ideology in power.  I think they don't realize that a significant minority of Americans see the union as nearly irreparably broken already, and are already expecting that this is going to come to a head somehow in the very near future.  They live in a different circle, a different culture, that allows them to believe they are compeletely triumphant and that now they can remake America and the world in their image without any resistance whatsoever.   I suspect that the reality will not be quite that.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Yeager shoots mouth off, loses CCW permit
« on: January 11, 2013, 07:40:38 PM »
http://www.wsmv.com/story/20559778/tn-firearms-instructor-gains-attention-from-youtube-rant


 Yeah, I remember watching that yesterday on Yeager's facebook page........You know that moment when you realize you're watching a car wreck happening and there's nothing you can do to stop it?  Yeah......It was one of those obvious moments of 'Oh my god, this isn't going to end well'.,........But if Yeager's goal was to become the lightening rod for this entire conflict, he succeeded in that in spades.......yikes!

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: January 10, 2013, 09:27:58 PM »
I've seen some VERY heated responses to this today by people who lack confidence that we remain a nation of laws.

Though this is "just" a cartoon, it skates pretty close to the edge of the legal ice , , ,  http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2013/01/10/

It's kind of a scary time.......For the first time in my life I am actually concerned that the rantings of folks like Alex Jones might come to pass in some fashion or another (despite the fact that I still think he's nuts).......Why would the VP invoke the notion of Executive Order on the subject unless they are trying to provoke some kind of response?  I seriously get the impression that they not only want to pass laws, they want to ensure that we know they are in charge and they can do whatever they want.  There is an arrogant swaggering quality to all of this.

In fact, having browsed some of the forums, the leftists are on there trying to provoke 'treason talk' with jibes of 'bring it on, I can't wait to see them drop JDAMS on your heads'........It's all taking on a rather 'Belfast' quality.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: January 07, 2013, 08:15:29 PM »
Nice post sgtmac.  Valid points for sure on the effects of the failed war on drugs.  Your final point though is what I think is the key to it all: "...the destruction of the black family is the root of the violence..."  

It is hard to establish cause and effect relationships.  My view is that destruction of the inner-city family, too often black, was accelerated by our welfare state that often required removal of the father in order to qualify for the 'assistance'.  Mothers had babies that guaranteed subsistence checks.  'Fathers' had idle time on their hands in place of the responsibility of supporting family.  Able bodied men didn't get the assistance that we pay a single woman with children.  The quickest and easiest appearing money in the neighborhood is in drugs, and illegal trafficking is enforced with violence.
EXACTLY!  Alienation/Resentment+Institutionalized Poverty+Promise of Black Market Profit+Draconican Response+Children raised without fathers=Multi-generational poverty and violence.

There are so many angles present that one could spend years studying the interlocking roots of the problem.......One thing is certain, however, the dynamics making comparing Canada, UK and Australia to the US apples and bananas........Because we don't have a violent crime problem, we have a very specialized problem that they don't remotely have within their demographic.  The UK is 92% European descent, comparable to the State of Wyoming, Vermont or New Hampshire, who have homicide rates of 1.4 per 100,000, 1.1 per 100,000 and 1.0 per 100,000, respectively, IDENTICAL to the UK's 1.4 per 100,000...........Comparing apples to apples we find the homicide rates are IDENTICAL, demographic to demographic, regardless whether it's unarmed UK or heavily armed (60% of the population armed) Wyoming........When people try to kill each other they succeed....Heavily armed folks are no more likely to try to kill each other because they are heavily armed than unarmed folks.........Attacking the tools do nothing to solve the reason why they are trying, and hence, don't solve the problem.

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Politics & Religion / Re: More twaddle from a Georgetown Law Prof
« on: January 03, 2013, 08:38:19 PM »

Who Pays for the Right to Bear Arms?
By DAVID COLE
Pravda on the Hudson
Published: January 1, 2013

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IN the days following the Newtown massacre the nation’s newspapers were filled with heart-wrenching pictures of the innocent victims. The slaughter was unimaginably shocking. But the broader tragedy of gun violence is felt mostly not in leafy suburbs, but in America’s inner cities.

The right to bear arms typically invokes the romantic image of a cowboy toting a rifle on the plains. In modern-day America, though, the more realistic picture is that of a young black man gunned down in his prime in a dark alley. When we celebrate gun rights, we all too often ignore their disproportionate racial burdens. Any effort to address gun violence must focus on the inner city.

Last year Chicago had some 500 homicides, 87 percent of them gun-related. In the city’s public schools, 319 students were shot in the 2011-12 school year, 24 of them fatally. African-Americans are 33 percent of the Chicago population, but about 70 percent of the murder victims.

The same is true in other cities. In 2011, 80 percent of the 324 people killed in Philadelphia were killed by guns, and three-quarters of the victims were black.

Racial disparities in gun violence far outstrip those in almost any other area of life. Black unemployment is double that for whites, as is black infant mortality. But young black men die of gun homicide at a rate eight times that of young white men. Could it be that the laxity of the nation’s gun laws is tolerated because its deadly costs are borne by the segregated black and Latino populations of North Philadelphia and Chicago’s South Side?

The history of gun regulation is inextricably interwoven with race. Some of the nation’s most stringent gun laws emerged in the South after the Civil War, as Southern whites feared what newly freed slaves might do if armed. At the same time, Northerners saw the freed slaves’ right to bear arms as critical to protecting them from the Ku Klux Klan.

In the 1960s, Huey P. Newton and the Black Panther Party made the gun a central symbol of black power, claiming that “the gun is the only thing that will free us.” On May 2, 1967, taking advantage of California’s lax gun laws, several Panthers marched through the State Capitol in Sacramento carrying raised and loaded weapons, generating widespread news coverage.

The police could do nothing, as the Panthers broke no laws. But three months later, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed into law one of the strictest gun control laws in the country.

The urban riots of the late 1960s — combined with rising crime rates and a string of high-profile assassinations — spurred Congress to pass federal gun control laws, banning interstate commerce in guns except for federally licensed dealers and collectors; prohibiting sales to felons, the mentally ill, substance abusers and minors; and expanding licensing requirements.

These laws contain large loopholes, however, and are plainly inadequate to deal with the increased number and lethality of modern weapons. But as long as gun violence largely targets young black men in urban ghettos, the nation seems indifferent. At Newtown, the often all-too-invisible costs of the right to bear arms were made starkly visible — precisely because these weren’t the usual victims. The nation took note, and President Obama has promised reform, though he has not yet made a specific proposal.

Gun rights defenders argue that gun laws don’t reduce violence, noting that many cities with high gun violence already have strict gun laws. But this ignores the ease with which urban residents can evade local laws by obtaining guns from dealers outside their cities or states. Effective gun regulation requires a nationally coordinated response.

A cynic might propose resurrecting the Black Panthers to heighten white anxiety as the swiftest route to breaking the logjam on gun reform. I hope we are better than that. If the nation were to view the everyday tragedies that befall young black and Latino men in the inner cities with the same sympathy that it has shown for the Newtown victims, there would be a groundswell of support not just for gun law reform, but for much broader measures.

If we are to reduce the inequitable costs of gun rights, it’s not enough to tighten licensing requirements, expand background checks to private gun sales or ban assault weapons. In addition to such national measures, meaningful reform must include initiatives directed to where gun violence is worst: the inner cities. Aggressive interventions by police and social workers focused on gang gun violence, coupled with economic investment, better schools and more after-school and job training programs, are all necessary if we are to reduce the violence that gun rights entail.

To tweak the National Rifle Association’s refrain, “guns don’t kill people; indifference to poverty kills people.” We can’t in good conscience keep making young black men pay the cost of our right to bear arms.


David Cole is a professor of constitutional law and criminal justice at the Georgetown University Law Center.

IMHO David Cole is partially right.........And wrong when he invokes poverty as the reason for the high homicide rates in certain US populations.  Poverty alone does not create violence, and no reputable study has shown a legitimate correlation between poverty and violent crime.

The root of violence in African American communities is associated with poverty, but not caused by it.......the dirty secret is that US drug policies, not poverty, not guns, are the direct link to the extraordinarily high homicide rates in African American communities in particular and the US in general........Specifically the way in which the 'drug war' has been fought since the early 1960's.........

Drug laws and law enforcement targeted black drug dealers with often violent tactics that would never have been tolerated in white communities, incarcerating large numbers of poor blacks in numbers vastly disproportionate to white criminals, and the result was the institutionalization and indoctrination into violent prison culture of generations of black men.......Leaving generations of black families broken, and generations of black children without fathers.

The result of that indoctrination in to prison gang culture?  The bringing of that culture back to the streets where it was adopted as violent streets gang culture by the children of those men.........A culture that has perpetuated along with the illegal blackmarket drug trade.
 
If we want to know what has made America the violent country it is today..........One thing and one thing only........75% of the homicide rate of this country is a direct or indirect consequence of the drug war.........And if we weren't warehousing record numbers of Americans since 1992 with mandatory minimum sentences we'd be seeing higher rates than we are now.  Without the 75% of the homicides attributed to the drug war, we'd have a homicide rate equal to Great Britains..........1.4 per 100,000..........A rate you see in the US among groups of similar socioeconomic and ethnic backgrounds..........Britain is 92% European heritage..........So is the state of Wyoming, Vermont and New Hampshire, all have lax gun laws, all have populations 92% give or take European........All with homicide rates of 1.4 per 100,000 or less.

Poverty is a contributor..........But not the cause.  There are plenty of places in the US with high poverty rates and low homicide rates.  Brownsville, Tx is a prime example of a medium sized American city with 92% hispanic minority population, high poverty and a homicide rate actually BELOW the national average....Poverty doesn't drive homicide rates..........In a general sense, a marginalized population that perceives itself victimized by the larger population and viewing the official law enforcement/judicial system as illegitimate correlates to high homicide rates.

One can examine hispanic communities to really see the dichotomy of American society......In places like Brownsville, with long established community ties, violence is low........In places where newly transplanted Hispanic immigrants find themselves in conflict with the same black communities and gang culture that have resulted from the drug war, we see extraordinarily high homicide rates.  In areas along the US/Mexican border along major drug distribution routes, large influxes of drug money has driven extraordinarly high homicide and violence rates.

South Africa may be the best example of this........A larger marginalized minority (in their case a majority) population and a homicide rate over 10 TIMES the US rate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp7KTVbJj3Y


Being indoctrinated in to violent prison gang culture and the destruction of the black family is the root of the violence far more than 'guns' or poverty.

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I'll never forget doing a psychiatry rotation when we as medical students were invited to listen to an interview of a teenager with diagnosed boderline personality disorder.

It was quite chilling listening to him describing with glee in his eyes a scene from Rambo (I never could sit through the entire movie so I never verifed the scene) when Rambo holds his huge knife blade up to someone's throat and said, " I can kill you anytime I want".

This kid then stated, "I think THAT is the coolest thing I HAVE EVER SEEN!"

I don't want a  ban a guns but if it does happen, damnit, we need to censure Hollywood and tax the shit out of the entertainment hypocrits who deliver huge quantities of endless violence, sadistic, gore and thrive quite well doing so.
 Borderline?  Odd diagnosis for someone who sounds clearly Anti-Social.  Borderlines are usually self-destructive, usually female, hallmarked by drug abuse, promiscuity and instable interpersonal relationships jumping from idealization to devaluation......Their violence is usually self-directed OR turned directly toward the person closest to them.......Now if he was self-cutting after his boyfriend left him, i'd think it was BPD.  But that's just from the small description of his statement, that may be no indicative of his overall behavior.......But the statement is definitely not prototypical BPD.......That's best summed up with the classic 'I HATE YOU.....Don't leave me!'.

As far as Hollywood is concerned, it's hard to take the idea that violent media makes people violent when violent crime and homicide rates have been on the decline for over 25 years to the point that they are now nationwide below Pre-1960 levels.  Logic would dictate MORE violent media, MORE violent video games, would lead to MORE violent crime, if there is a causal link........but the opposite seems to be the trend.

That also goes for guns and gun laws.......With MORE guns, MORE guns being carried, MORE shall-issue CCW laws, MORE CCW holders.........Homicides have been on the decline in the US nationwide.........Even mass shootings have seen a slight decline over the last 40 years.

These mass shootings are likely tied to another psychiatric phenomenon, however, and that is Aspergers syndrome/Autism spectrum disorder..........Which seems to be a consistent diagnosis among the vast majority of these shooters, more than a coincidence, but given the statistical anamoly of these events, one should not throw them on to the multitudes of those with Aspergers who are violent to no one.  It does seem statistically significant, however.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: December 31, 2012, 10:19:32 AM »
Haven't seen you in these parts for quite some time SgtMac.  Welcome back.

Thanks, glad to be back.  Hope to see you out in Fayetteville in March.....God willing and the creek doesn't rise.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff )
« on: December 17, 2012, 07:42:47 PM »
I truly fear the passions are present to drive the agenda that has long laid dormant waiting for the right tragedy to exploit.  The only strategy that gun owners can have is somehow shape the debate toward a compromise that will leave gun rights intact while providing the public the belief that something substantative has been done.  They were waiting for the right tragedy, and boy they found it.  I fear a new AWB with no sunset provision is on the horizon, how soon depends on whether Republicans will cave in the house.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People
« on: October 22, 2010, 04:57:06 PM »
What if I'm a doctor with a gun?  :-D

Ironically enough, the late great Col. Jeff Cooper gave a lecture for a meeting of doctors a few years back that dissent in some ways from the ADA stance.   It's an excellent speech!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGYttXa0d1k&feature=player_embedded

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Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters
« on: October 22, 2010, 04:53:46 PM »
Beck's greatest sin seems to be that he has become an effective advocate against the modern left.......which is unforgiveable and a call for complete demonization from the MSM machine. 

The goal seems to be make Beck a poster child for the entire Tea Party movement.......utilizing the Alinksyesque stragegies for fixing individuals as representatives of a movement, polarizing and attack those individuals as surrogates for the movement.

Unfortunately for the left, folks like Beck have learned their lessons from the radical left, and are effectively utilizing some of those 'community organizing' lessons against the left......and have been quite effective at it.

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Politics & Religion / Re: States' Rights
« on: September 03, 2009, 09:54:37 AM »
BTW I would like to note my approval of the BO Administration's decision to respect States' right to decriminalize pot.

Yeah, if he were to stop drug prohibition madness it'd change my opinion of him significantly.

He would give lip service to it, but ultimately doing so would actually serve the purpose of shrinking the power of the federal government, and that's one thing you can count on BO ever doing!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs
« on: September 03, 2009, 09:45:12 AM »
I've been a police officer for 12 years and i've finally come to the conclusion that the WODs is a failure, and ultimately misguided.  I still pursue drug offenders, because in the present situation drug and crime are inextricably tied together so that fighting drugs IS fighting crime (because of the illegal nature of drugs and what is required to get them).......but it doesn't have to be that way if we eliminate the profit of drugs via some measure of decriminalization.

It's a costlier and costlier endeavor to pursue the WOD, with no hope of winning.  There has to be another way.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« on: July 27, 2009, 02:18:12 PM »
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The Gates Arrest: Sgt. Crowley’s Nightmare Is All Too Real
Posted By Jack Dunphy On July 25, 2009 @ 12:34 am In . Feature 01, Crime, Politics, Race Issues, US News | 106 Comments

I had a terrible nightmare last night: I dreamed I was driving along in my patrol car when I responded to a fairly routine radio call. Someone had reported a possible burglary, and when I went to the home to investigate I encountered not the burglar I was led to believe I would find but rather the home’s resident, an Ivy League professor who, while indignantly challenging my authority to inquire into the reported crime, couldn’t resist doing so without calling my intelligence into question, accusing me of racial bias, and even going so far as to insult my sainted mother. When the verbal provocations escalated further and crossed the line into illegal conduct, I slapped the handcuffs on the man and hauled him down to the station house. A frothing media maelstrom then ensued, with reporters clogging the streets outside my home and traipsing across the lawn and through the shrubbery with their cameras and their boom microphones and their incessant, impertinent questions. Finally, the president of the United States was on television telling the entire world how stupid I am.

Then I woke up.

I am in a sense fortunate in that I work in an area where I’m as likely to encounter an extraterrestrial as an Ivy League professor, but like most police officers I can nonetheless sympathize with Cambridge Police Department sergeant James Crowley, for whom there will be no waking from the nightmare for some time to come. But, except for the notoriety and lofty position of the reported “burglar” (one of America’s preeminent black scholars, and all that), the scenario presented to Sgt. Crowley is fairly typical, one that every cop has experienced many times. A well-meaning neighbor has seen something she perceives as out of the ordinary and has asked the police to investigate. If more people were disposed to act this way, America’s crime rate would plummet overnight.

The first question to be asked about Sgt. Crowley’s initial response is, was it lawful and reasonable? Clearly it was both.  A cornerstone U.S. Supreme Court decision, [1] Terry v. Ohio, held that an officer may stop and detain a person he reasonably believes to be involved in criminal activity. Here, Sgt. Crowley answered a citizen’s report of a possible burglary. Such reports are granted a presumption of reliability under the law, so Sgt. Crowley was on solid ground in approaching the home and, upon seeing a man inside who matched the description provided by the witness, asking him for his identification. A police officer responding to such a report must, for his own safety, assume the report to be accurate until he can satisfy himself that it isn’t. The cop who blithely handles every call assuming it to be a false alarm will likely not survive to handle many of them. In fact, many police officers faced with the identical facts would likely have ordered Henry Gates out of the home at gunpoint.

Sgt. Crowley did not go so far as that (imagine the furor if he had), but he exercised a measure of caution by following Gates into the home as Gates retrieved his identification. Gates insists Crowley needed a warrant to enter the home but he is mistaken, as even the most liberal judge would find that Crowley was faced with sufficiently exigent circumstances, viz. a possible burglar who may have attempted to arm himself or flee, to justify a warrantless entry.

Mr. Gates, who [2] admits he asked his limo driver to force open a stuck door, is surely accustomed to a certain amount of bowing and scraping in the circles in which he travels, and it must have come as a shock when he was surprised by a cop who neither knew nor cared that he occupied such an exalted position. He apparently never stopped to consider that he and his driver may have been seen by someone who would misinterpret their actions and report them to the police. No, to Mr. Gates the first and only explanation for the sudden appearance of a white police officer at his doorstep was that the cops had come to hassle him because he’s black.

The next question is whether Mr. Gates’s language and behavior that Sgt. Crowley described in his police report fell within the proscribed conduct of the Massachusetts statute against disorderly conduct. This is where the two accounts diverge most dramatically. Mr. Gates [3] addressed the issue with CNN’s Soledad O’Brien, who, reading from the [4] police report, said, “[Sgt. Crowley] described you as behaving in a tumultuous manner.”

“Yeah,” Gates responded with a chuckle, “look at how tumultuous I am. I’m five foot seven, I weigh a hundred-fifty pounds.” He said this as though it’s inconceivable that someone of those proportions might behave in manner that could be characterized as “tumultuous,” an assertion that any police officer, and for that matter just about anyone not affiliated with an Ivy League university, knows is preposterous. That Gates’s behavior at the scene of his arrest might differ from that which he exhibited on a nationally televised interview was an issue that went unexplored.

But there is a way we might learn, as best we may, of what really occurred that day on Harvard Square. Mr. Gates says he’s considering a lawsuit against Sgt. Crowley and the Cambridge Police Department, during which, one presumes, we would hear testimony from all the various parties and witnesses. If Mr. Gates is to prevail in such an action he would have to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Sgt. Crowley fabricated the case against him, and did so in the knowledge that the incident had been witnessed by several other police officers, including a black sergeant from his own department and some officers from the Harvard campus police with whom he is presumably unacquainted. Also called to testify would be the woman who made the initial call to the police and some or all of the “at least seven other passers-by” referred to in the police report. And the arrest, which was undoubtedly vetted all the way up the police department’s chain of command, was nonetheless allowed to proceed despite the certain knowledge that Harvard Law School professor Charles Ogletree and a phalanx of briefcase-bearing shiny suits would soon descend on the police station and start tossing about their habeas corpus this and their mens rea that, and that they would spare no effort or expense in ferreting out any weaknesses the case may have.

Sure, professor, Sgt. Crowley made it all up. Arresting Mr. Gates may have been arguably imprudent, but it wasn’t illegal.

If I may presume to offer Sgt. Crowley a bit of advice, I would encourage him to invest in a small digital tape recorder such as the one I carry while on duty. I have done so for many years and it has often proved invaluable, as in the case when some of my colleagues and I were accused of all manner of heinous conduct by a young man we had arrested for carrying a gun. Among the allegations was that we had used the notorious “N-word,” which, though one can’t walk a block in some parts of Los Angeles without hearing the denizens use it a dozen times, is nonetheless held as a near-capital offense when spoken by a police officer.

The time came for my interview with the internal affairs investigators, for whom I played the tape. It revealed, among other inconsistencies in my accuser’s tale, that it was he and not we who had so liberally used the accursed word, and that he used it, in the span of about 45 seconds, as a noun, a verb, an adjective, an adverb, and as something of an all-purpose interjection, a linguistic feat I suspect I may never see equaled. I was cleared of the charge, but I still listen to that tape every now and then just for its entertainment value.

Sgt. Crowley, you can pick up one of those recorders for less than a hundred dollars. Don’t you wish you had bought one earlier?

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URLs in this post:
[1] Terry v. Ohio: http://supreme.justia.com/us/392/1/case.html
[2] admits: http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks
[3] addressed the issue: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2009/07/23/bia.henry.gates.cnn?iref=videosearch
[4] police report: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html


Indeed!

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Hillary will push a hawkish, pro-Israel stance until it blows up with Obama firing her or her resigning in protest, setting up her 2012 campaign.

I never expected Lady Macbeth to stop scheming just because Obama threw her a bone......OUT DAMN SPOT!

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Politics & Religion / Re: Food testing?
« on: June 14, 2009, 04:01:28 PM »
Is this some sort of joke?
Is this routine for presidents to have someone test the food for poison?

Do we have a king or a President?
 
"President Obama's French food tested by 'taster' 
 
Jun 7 10:12 AM US/Eastern
A US "taster" tested the food being dished up to President Barack Obama at a dinner in a French restaurant, a waiter said on Sunday.
"They have someone who tastes the dishes," said waiter Gabriel de Carvalho from the "La Fontaine de Mars" restaurant where Obama and his family turned up for dinner on Saturday night.

"It wasn't very pleasant for the cooks at first, but the person was very nice and was relaxed, so it all went well," he said on the Itele news channel.

Asked by AFP to comment, the restaurant confirmed the report.

Copyright AFP 2008, AFP stories and photos shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium"

Folks are surprised Papa Doc Barack thinks he's a king?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Order of Ascendancy
« on: June 14, 2009, 03:59:57 PM »
Thanks for compliments but I was dead serious with my Biden comment.  In my quest for more positive things to say about our President, Barack Hussein Obama, here are the top 5 reasons I toast his good health, safety and security, hoping for a full Obama term:

Order of Presidential Succession
 The Vice President:  Joseph Biden
 Speaker of the House: Nancy Pelosi
 President pro tempore of the Senate:  Robert Byrd
 Secretary of State:  Hillary Rodham Clinton
 Secretary of the Treasury: Timothy Geithner


Do they all ride to work in the same clown car?

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People
« on: June 14, 2009, 03:58:45 PM »
The good news is that blue helmets and berets make good targets.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: December 29, 2008, 05:53:58 PM »
It's really bothersome to have rockets rain down on you day and night. If it were only during the day you could get some sleep at night or if only at night, you might get some work done during the day. But day and night is inadmissible. No wonder the IDF struck back.

I think that is why the world is objecting; no one questions the right of Israel to exact retribution, but it seems to be a disproportionate reaction.  If I read correctly, less than
5 Israeli's have been killed and/or injured, yet there are over 400 dead and hundreds of wounded Palestinians, many of them innocent women and children.
Not to mention supplies, first aid, etc. not getting through; is there any wonder why Israel is being condemned?
When you are attacked in such a manner, a 'proportionate' response isn't what is called for.....a PUNITIVE response that is overwhelming is what is called for.  The goal is to make the price of attacking you so terrible as to be beyond the desire of your enemy to want to pay.  5/500 seems reasonable in that context.  You kill 5 of my people, i'll slaughter 500 Hamas security personnel. 

More to the point, if Hamas terrorists didn't want civilians getting killed, they wouldn't hide amongst them.  The IDF doesn't hide amongst it's civilians to do it's fighting, they meet their enemy where he lives to PROTECT Israeli civilians.  Innocent civilians are dying SOLELY because of the desire of terrorists to hide themselves amongst them.


The terrorists WANT Palestinian civilian casualties for propaganda purposes....but those in the media who aren't smart enough to put the blame squarely on their shoulders do nothing but aid the terrorists.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People
« on: December 29, 2008, 12:26:13 PM »
Nice find!!!  A logical knock out!!!  Now if only the world was a logical place we could put our 2nd amendment worries to rest.  Keep up the good fight!!
Unfortunately we live in a world that is peopled by folks who would gladly sell individual liberty to the most charming strongman in exchange for charming declarations that he'll endeavor to ensure that they are secure, and that their yoke is no tighter than he deems 'necessary'.

The desire to sell individual freedom, for the illusions that someone else will worry about their problems for them, is too strong for too many people.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: December 29, 2008, 12:19:21 PM »
"I am baffled why you would post such twaddle"

I did a search as to possible reasons why Israel is attacking Gaza now, and this came up so I thought I would post it.

Actually I wondered if actions were now because of impending change in *American* political power not because of Israeli politics.

Are they doing it before BO gets in as part of a calculation?

BO clearly has ties to the anti semitic Black camp.  Though he does have/had a lot of Jews working for his interests and hopefully they will keep him from selling out Israel - but we will see.

 
Clearly a change in the American situation must be a concern, and is likely calculated in to the response.  But the REASON for the attack is quite clear....Hamas' continued threat to Israel and the continuing launch of rockets in to Israel's civilian areas.

I imagine that if the US had a (more) unfriendly neighbor across the border in Mexico, and they allowed the launching of rockets in to US southern cities....I DOUBT our response would be anything so measured.  Mexico would likely cease to exist as a separate entity.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 28, 2008, 03:14:10 AM »
Wow.....it's awesome that Obama wants to throw spitballs in the dark with taxes and hope it accomplishes......something?  :?

Well, he does promise 'Hope and Change'........he doesn't promise whether or not that 'change' is going to be for the better.

Obama's 'Change' mantra reminds me of the old doctor joke.



Doctor: Well, I have good news and bad news.

Family: Well, what's the good news, Doctor?

Doctor: The good news is the patient is stable.

Family: Well, what's the bad news?

Doctor: The bad news is he's dead.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 22, 2008, 01:03:52 AM »
**And Michelle Obama panders to this lunacy, without criticism.**

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33695-2005Jan24?language=printer

washingtonpost.com
Study: Many Blacks Cite AIDS Conspiracy
Prevention Efforts Hurt, Activists Say
By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 25, 2005; Page A02


More than 20 years after the AIDS epidemic arrived in the United States, a significant proportion of African Americans embrace the theory that government scientists created the disease to control or wipe out their communities, according to a study released today by Rand Corp. and Oregon State University.

That belief markedly hurts efforts to prevent the spread of the disease among black Americans, the study's authors and activists said. African Americans represent 13 percent of the U.S. population, according to Census Bureau figures, yet they account for 50 percent of new HIV infections in the nation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Nearly half of the 500 African Americans surveyed said that HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, is man-made. The study, which was supported by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, appears in the Feb. 1 edition of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes.

More than one-quarter said they believed that AIDS was produced in a government laboratory, and 12 percent believed it was created and spread by the CIA.

A slight majority said they believe that a cure for AIDS is being withheld from the poor. Forty-four percent said people who take the new medicines for HIV are government guinea pigs, and 15 percent said AIDS is a form of genocide against black people.

At the same time, 75 percent said they believe medical and public health agencies are working to stop the spread of AIDS in black communities. But the responses, which varied only slightly by age, gender, education and income level, alarmed the researchers.

"As a researcher knowing that these beliefs were out there, I wasn't as surprised as people I share the study with," said Laura Bogart, a behavioral scientist for the Rand Corp., who co-authored the study with Sheryl Thorburn, associate professor in the College of Health and Human Sciences at Oregon State.


"But the findings are striking, and a wake-up call to the prevention community," Bogart said. "The prevention community has not addressed conspiracy beliefs in the context of prevention. I think that a lot of people involved in prevention may not be from the community where they are trying to prevent HIV."

The findings were also no surprise to Na'im Akbar, a professor of psychology at Florida State University who specializes in African American behavior.

"This is not a bunch of crazy people running around saying they're out to get us," Akbar said. The belief "comes from the reality of 300 years of slavery and 100 years of post-slavery exploitation."

Akbar cited the Tuskegee experiment conducted by the federal government between 1932 and 1972. In it, scientists told black men they were being treated for syphilis but actually withheld treatment so they could study the course of the disease.

Today, he said, African Americans are more likely to live in communities near pollution sources, such as freeways and oil refineries, and far from health care centers. "There are a lot of indicators that our lives are not valued," Akbar said.

Phill Wilson, executive director of the Black AIDS Institute in Los Angeles, said past discrimination is no longer an excuse for embracing conspiracies that allow HIV to fester.

"It's a huge barrier to HIV prevention in black communities," Wilson said. "There's an issue around conspiracy theory and urban myths. Thus we have an epidemic raging out of control, and African Americans are being disproportionately impacted in every single sense."

Black women made up 73 percent of new HIV cases among women in 2003, and black men represented 40 percent of new cases, according to the most recent federal figures available. Among gay men, blacks represented 30 percent of new infections, and adolescents ages 18 to 24 accounted for nearly 80 percent of new HIV cases.

"The whole notion of conspiracy theories and misinformation . . . removes personal responsibility," Wilson said. "If there is this boogeyman, people say, 'Why should I use condoms? Why should I use clean needles?' And if I'm an organization, 'Why should I bother with educating my folks?' The syphilis study was real, but it happened 40 years ago, and holding on to it is killing us."
There seems to exist a belief in victimhood......one certain 'groups and individuals' seem to wish to exacerbate for political POWER!

In other words, to believe that you have control over the world around you as an individual, takes your support away from those who practice IDENTITY POLITICS!  So the PIMPS of identity politics have to foster a MYTH that YOU as an individual are a POWERLESS VICTIM of forces beyond your control......and only your political SUPPORT of a larger than life Messiah (ENTER OBAMA STAGE RIGHT) can SAVE YOU from those EVIL FORCES OF THE WORLD!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 21, 2008, 07:05:50 PM »
Crafty,

Done...

GM,

Quote
“’Racism’” is the trump card in the indictment of Republicans,” points out Dr. Thomas Sowell of the Hoover Institute. “But the cold fact is that the whole Jim Crow era in the South was dominated by Democrats.”

And?

If the Dems were so bad back then, why have they managed to maintain a lock on the African American electorate for so long? And why have Republicans struggled to bring African Americans "back" to the party?

The truth?  Though it is entitlements and government programs post-1960's that is largely responsible for destroying the fabric of black america.....those entitlements are also addictive to those who are short-sighted.  Entitlements are a drug, an opiate used to keep a people loyal while simultaneously keeping them in bondage.

Moreover, telling the TRUTH about entitlements is NEVER a popular position......especially to those receiving them.  A pleasant lie is ALWAYS more palatable than the TRUTH!  There's your answer.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 05:58:26 PM »


Apparently, you haven't read any of my posts in detail. The questioned I posed was "What do people really think he is capable of doing?", to which I have yet to receive an answer. I just don't buy that the guy is somehow going to re-work the  fabric of our country and make it a socialist, terrorist loving state, as some have argued. This is not the same as saying he's going to be a good/great president, or asking "What's the worst he could do."

My argument (and if you read all my posts re: the subject, you would have gleaned as much) is that all politicians are crooked, and we should start paying attention to that fact on both sides of the aisle.

And, I ask, "Do people really believe that our elected officials and their constituents are going to let Obama do whatever he wants?"

I do want to know what's the worst he could do, but not in the rhetorical. What do people think Obama is truly capable of? Is he dangerous? On what do you base that opinion? I want to know. 
Again, what you're saying, despite your protestations otherwise is 'Hey, what's the worst he could do?'...........as the MOST POWERFUL PERSON ON THE PLANET?!


Really? Well, I find that kind of sad, because it tells me that you've lost faith in the process. I find the political system deeply flawed, but that doesn't mean I'm disengaging from it.
  I see you only put part of what I said in that quote.....discussing McCain isn't necessary in order to discuss Obama.....and bringing up McCain on your part is an attempt to divert attention away from the point of this thread, which is Obama.  THAT is the context of that quote. 

And if you believe that the POTUS is irrelavent, why are you bothering to vote at all?  Because the notion of 'What's the worst he could do?' suggests YOU'VE lost faith in the process......which is supported by the assertion 'all politicians are crooked'. 


Where do you get this? I've met more than a handful of Obama supporters, and I have yet to come across this sentiment.
I get this from the rabid emotional attachment that folks have made with Obama....it's not a rational choice that they wish to defend with 'He will do this, he will do that!'  They've decided on him, they're not sure why (or they're not being honest) and any discussion of why is met with 'Oh yeah, well McCain!'.

I'm concerned about Kool-Aid drinkers as well. I just happen to think everyone does it, on both sides of the aisle. That doesn't mean I support it, condone it, or want to drink any. Anyways, I like lemonade.
Yeah?  Who is the Messianic figure that Conservatives have crowned Saint?  Even Reagan was a man......not in the same league as Saint Obama the Faultless!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 03:02:57 AM »
IMO Racism  no matter the flavor is morally equivalent and maybe those who suffer it themselves should know bettter.   Be kind to the stranger because you were a stranger in a strand land etc.   Practically it is worse for the person in power to be racist than those not in power to be racist  because of the size of the impact.


And yet.....isn't electing someone president giving them power?  I'm starting to suspect that what Obama does or does not believe in, is or is not, or what he WILL do in office is entirely irrelavent to his supporters.  I suspect the REALITY, and you can correct me if i'm TRULY wrong......the reality is how 'Voting for Obama' makes his supporters FEEL about themselves as 'enlightented human beings'.  That's why any discussion of him is utterly ignored, because it isn't about HIM......it's really about THEM and what they feel voting for Obama says about them as a HUMAN BEING!  In their minds they 'feel' voting for Obama is 'right'......and any rational discussion of the man is entirely side-stepped because their EMOTIONS have already made up their minds.


Now i've already pretty much acccepted the idea that Obama is going to win........the Republican party allowed the MSM to pick it's candidate, John McCain, who is really nothing but a strawman candidate they wanted for Obama or Hillary.   McCain generates zero excitement from his base, while Obama leaves his mesmerized by his messianic bearing.  So he's going to be elected president....ONCE! 

So i'm not really even INTERESTED in discussing John McCain.....i'm FAR more interested in what has turned presumably intelligent human beings in to SUCKERS for this guy Obama!

Quote from:
"I cried all night. I’m going to be crying for the next four years. What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history. ...The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance." -Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.


http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

Yeah, Jesse......i've got a feeling we're ALL going to end up crying for the next four years!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:58:07 AM »
Just so I clearly understand you point not voting for Senator McCain is the same as joining a cult and drinking cyanide? It is not possible that  someone could make a logical informed choice to vote differently?

I don't think anyone was arguing SH was good for Israel. The issue being Palestinian suicide bombers are extremely painful but they are not an existential threat to Israel the way a  nuclear Iran would be.

"Not that he's impeccable, but so far the biggest thing I've heard negative about him is that he has a bad temper"

Does a bad temper excuse  calling his a wife a trollop and a four letter word? How does adultery fit into having a moral compass?   

Michelle Obama never said she was ashamed of her country.    The opposite of "really proud" is not shame. It was not great comment but not the same as saying she was ashamed of her country

There are logical thoughtful reasons to vote  for McCain. Variations of Barak is evil and scary because he greeted is wife with a terrorist  fist pump or accepted $200 from someone from Weather Underground etc  are not really great arguments

 We can play this game with McCain  and argue about his moral compass which is much less interesting than arguing the issues

 "John McCain has called off a fundraiser(but kept the money) at the home of a Texas oilman who joked about rape during a 1990 gubernatorial run in the state.

The Texan, Republican Clayton Williams, made the joke during his failed campaign against Democrat Ann Richards. Williams compared rape to the weather, saying, "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

"He also compared Richards to the cattle on his ranch, saying he would "head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt."


:The campaign said it would not return money Williams had raised for McCain because the contributions came from other individuals supporting McCain and not from Williams. Williams told his hometown newspaper, the Midland Reporter-Telegram, that he had raised more than $300,000 for McCain."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/14/mccain-cancels-event-over_n_107139.html


On a positive note no matter who wins --we will  at least  have a president who believes in evolution .
NOT voting for John McCain has nothing to do with it........but I THROUGHLY believe buying in to this Obama cult of personality has PLENTY of analogy with Jim Jones.......you take a charismatic one term senator who missed more votes than he was present for, who throws the words 'Hope and Change' around without actually explaining what they mean.......and then a bunch of of people start believe he's some sort of Messiah?!  PLEASE!  I expect him very shortly to start walking in to the audience and HEALING PEOPLE WITH HIS BARE HANDS!


Again, the silliness of this discussion is that ANY discussion of 'OBAMA' merely finds the retort of 'Well, what about McCain?'  Well WHAT ABOUT HIM?  He's not my first choice......but one things for sure, he spent YEARS in a HANOI HELLHOLE when he was OFFERED a chance to leave, but without his fellow prisoners......HE stayed, and that tells me McCain is at least a LOYAL and HONORABLE MAN!

Obama?  He spent his youth doing drugs and then discovered that he could embrace identity politics and use it to buy him wealth and POWER!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:52:44 AM »
SB Mig, Take your last post on Obama and apply those same questions to Mcain and what say ye?

I honestly think you find very little scandal, charecter flaws or skeletons in his closet.......
Not that he's impeccable, but so far the biggest thing I've heard negative about him is that he has a bad temper :|
Yea there are some questionable right wing extremist pastors that try to align themselves with him.....the thing is though, is that he has no personal association to them.......Please though do expound on the negatvies that you know of on John Mcain......
                                                           TG
  Maybe he used a racial slur to one of his torturers at the Hanoi Hilton once.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:49:31 AM »
Crafty,

I am not defending or supporting the senator.

Honesty and integrity are two things that I find lacking in the majority of our politicians. Actually, I can't think of a political figure in the past 20 years without major character/personality deficits, questionable business practices, or who is not morally ambiguous at best. Politics is a business. And that business is all about staying in office, no matter what.

Obama's background is questionable at the very least, but just as politically transparent as any number of other politicians. His constituents are made up of a mix of lower/mid/upper class voters, of different races. His associations are strictly political capital. Of course he's going to attend a particular type of church, if that is going to get make him popular or get him votes. If you want to be popular with a certain crowd (in his case, liberal voters) you hang out with the people that can help you get popular. And guess what? It will, at some point, come back to bite you in the ass.

Do I think he should be commended on him choice of friends or business partners? No. Does he know some sketchy people? Hell yes. Is that o.k.? Hell no. But really, honestly, how many political figures don't have skeletons in their closet (or living room for that matter)? Do Obama's associations make him anymore questionable than any number of other politicians? I'd say it's about a 50/50 on that one. I mean, just look at the amazing political scandals of the past 12 months, on both sides of the aisle.

I am more concerned about this perception that by virtue of Obama's past, his administration is somehow going to ride roughshod all over the country. Do people really believe that an individual has that much power in today's day and age? I mean, checks and balances? Anyone? And if they do hold this belief, where did it come from? Why would Obama's presidency be any more politically effective/powerful/dangerous than the current administration's? And if people do have concerns about unchecked presidential power, perhaps they should have been complaining (as some have in these forums) over the past 8 years.

I would ask those who are concerned about who gets voted-in the following:

When was the last time a president came into office with unchecked power, completely changed the fabric of our society, our political standing in the world, and ignored anything that the voting public or Congress said? I'm going to go with....never.

I just find the "sky is falling" scenarios ridiculous. IF Obama gets voted in, we are not going turn into a communist, socialized medicine, far left, terrorist loving society. Let's give ourselves a little more credit than that.




  Your equivocation is a defense......simply saying 'Yeah, well, but all politicians' is a DODGE!  Not ALL politicians are running for President of the United States.  Moreover, the faux parity i've seen offered by the MSM attempting to carry Obama's water is ridiculous.........ask a question about Obama's RELIGIOUS guru of 20 years gets a silly attempt to create false parity with McCain and John Hagee or some guy who introduced him once at a speech.  It's absurd.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:45:45 AM »
The man's mentor, Frank something, is/was a formal member of the US Communist Party; there is his friendship with unrepentant Weather underground terrorists, there is his association with Rev Wright's church (which praises and honors Louis Farrakan), his wife's shame in our country, etc etc etc.  Then there is the matter of the man's voting record, and his positions.

Does not the confluence of all these things raise a warning flag for you as to the man's inner compass?  And does not our President's inner compass matter?
Sad to say, Crafty......but there are a large number of Kool-aid drinkers in this country who have jumped on the 'Cult of Obama Personality' bandwagon, and who are willing to IGNORE any inconvenient truths!  Not just disagree with the facts, but flat out DECLARE THEM IRRELAVENT!

'What's the worst damage that he could do.....he and Michelle look like a cute couple, and that's good enough fore me!'

These folks think they're voting on American IDOL Crafty!  I'm truly frightened.....not of Obama, but at the stupidity of my fellow citizens!

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:43:19 AM »
Quote
...far left radicals who also appears to have embraced a black nationalist ideology when it was politically convenient on the local level in Hyde Park Chicago.  Over the years Barry has surrounded himself with left wing terrorists, black seperatists and assorted fringe fruitcakes and nutjobs...

So the thing I always wonder when people make this argument is, "What are you afraid of?"

Do you really think that somehow, IF he's voted into office, the US is going to suddenly become a far left, radical, black separatist state? That people are suddenly going turn to Islam? I just don't get the fear factor. Do you honestly think that career politicians are going to take whatever bill he puts in front of them and ignore their constituents? That the entire country will suddenly go all glassy eyed and let the administration run all over them? I just don't buy it.


  First of all

A) Where did you get 'Islam' from my post?

B) So your argument is really going to be 'Who cares, what's the worst damage he could do?'?!



"What is the concern? His questionable acquaintances? His lack of a moral compass? His willingness to do/say/try anything to get elected? If those are the arguments, we might as well empty the US Congress and start over."

ALL OF THE ABOVE!  What do you think he's running for? THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICE ON THE PLANET!  And your argument is REALLY going to be 'HEY, WHAT'S THE WORST HE COULD DO?!'  That's kind of sad.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 20, 2008, 02:38:57 AM »
Do you honestly  think Obama believes the government gave black people HIV ? Do you honestly think most of Obama's supporter believe that. I'm positive   Neo Nazi/KKK vote  will all be for McCain . It is not really a good reason to vote for Obama.
You're positive of that why?  Because McCain is white?  The reality is that Neo-Nazis/KKK are anti-government in general....and for all practical matters are in agreement with the Nation of Islam on most topics, especially when it pertains to their anti-semetic views.

Does Obama believe it?  Can't say if he truly believes it or has just used it to gain political support in Chicago area politics......but it's clear most of his supporters/pastor etc believe, or at least CLAIM to believe it, so the difference about whether Obama believes it or not is moot as he surrounded himself with people who believe it and proclaim it as true.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Michelle Obama on the view
« on: June 19, 2008, 02:29:53 AM »
I actually really like Michelle Obama. She is a strong woman who made her family her #1 priority.  However, I  wouldn't vote for President based on the first lady. I have always though Laura Bush was very classy as well .

"On the morning that the Times ran a front-page story about Michelle Obama's recalibrating her image in the wake of conservative attacks, the potential first lady appeared friendly, well spoken, likable, if understandably measured, on "The View." It was a big moment for her, what Times writer Jodi Kantor dubbed "the television equivalent of a Broadway debut." No scandal, no surprises, really, but there was the expected discussion of her pride comment, to which Obama responded:

"Of course I am proud of my country. Nowhere but America could my story be possible. I'm a girl who grew up on the South Side of Chicago, my father was a working-class guy who worked his shift all his life, and because of his hard work he sent not just me but my brother to Princeton ... I am proud of my country without a doubt."

In a first-lady lovefest, Michelle expressed her gratitude to Laura Bush for defending her about those comments, and she gave props to Hillary: "Hillary Clinton says she created 18 million cracks on a ceiling, and we need to keep pushing it and pushing it. Because it's only until women like her step out, take the risk, take those hits, and it's painful. And it's hurtful, but she has taken them so that my girls when they come along they won't have to feel it as badly."

Most important, however, is that Obama greeted the guests with her signature fist bump (also known, in some circles, as a terrorist fist jab!). She admitted, like the adorable square she is, "I got this from the young staff … it's the new high-five."


http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59twO1fJwtQ
  "For the first time in my adult life I am really proud to be an American" -Michelle Obama

I think it's time America put the kool-aid down and became honest about who and what Barry and Michelle Obama really are....they far left radicals who also appears to have embraced a black nationalist ideology when it was politically convenient on the local level in Hyde Park Chicago.  Over the years Barry has surrounded himself with left wing terrorists, black seperatists and assorted fringe fruitcakes and nutjobs, and now he wants to simply avoid any discussion of that.  And strangely the media is content to oblige him by NOT discussing anything Barry feels uncomfortable with.

Barry has convinced a significant number of American citizens that he should be president because he is 'clean and articulate' and can come up with interesting variations of saying he's about 'hope and change' in very inspiring speeches....that actually saying NOTHING at ALL!  Now those brain-washed kool-aid drinkers speak of Obama as if he were a MESSIANIC FIGURE!   

PUT THE KOOL-AID DOWN AMERICA! 

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: June 19, 2008, 02:26:31 AM »
***Did Bush risk American lives and his political life to save Jews?***

Yes, I think that was part of the calculation in invading Iraq.  Obviously it hasn't worked as well as thought, but he certainly is risking American lives right now.   And I think if he had more political backing he would bomb the shit out of Iran's nuclear facilities, but America has turned weak.

******Would McCain?***   

In my mind I believe he would, absolutely.

As for Alan Dershowitz he can't see without his Democrat/liberal colored glasses.  So of course he will back the Democrat - he *always* does.  I have never heard him say a kind word for any Republican.  He could be an editorialist for the NYT.



http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html
Chief of staff of former secretary of state reveals that large number of senior Israeli officials warned Bush administration that invasion of Iraq would be destabilizing to region. 'The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy - Iran is the enemy,' he says

Yitzhak Benhorin

Instead invading Iraq to protect Israelis ( I am not arguing against the invasion of Iraq) why didn't Bush invade Iran move the embassy to Jerusalem.    The idea that Bush invaded Iraq for Israel is generally used as anti-Israel attack  and I don't think there is much truth to it. 

The Dershowitz quote I was referring to was ---

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1211688000&en=2f1c1073322ca17f&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin
"Mr. Dershowitz, who supports Mrs. Clinton, says he tells voters that Mr. Obama, Mrs. Clinton and Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, are all pro-Israel and to reject false personal attacks on Mr. Obama."


And here in lies the democrats strategy.......run against Bush (who, by the way isn't running in 2008).  Clever.

As for the notion that Israel did not view Saddam Hussein as the enemy, that's preposterous, and Dershowitz is out of his mind.  Am I the only one that remembers that Saddam Hussein was paying large sums of cash to the families of suicide bombers who killed Israeli citizens?

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Politics & Religion / Re: The 2008 Presidential Race
« on: September 14, 2007, 06:38:52 PM »
I'm putting my support behind Fred Thompson....this country needs another Ronald Reagan.....not the pack of Jimmy Carter's and Mrs. Bill Clinton's also running in this race.

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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Evolutionary biology/psychology
« on: April 21, 2007, 06:24:22 PM »
Along the line of evolutionary biology/psychology, but from a purely philosophical vantage point, has anyone read Robert Pirsigs follow up to 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' entitled 'Lila: An Enquiry into Morals'?  It deals with the concept of how universe developed morality, and what morality actually is.

In short, Pirsig developed a metaphysics of morality, where by the universe has an inate desire to move from a state of lower quality to a state of higher quality.

Pirsig developed a hirearchy of quality

inorganic quality
organic quality
social quality
intellectual quality
dynamic quality

inorganic to organic (why the universe develops life from lifelessness)
organic to social (organisms evolve from singular entities in to group entities)
social to intellectual (organisms develop reason and rationality)

In short, Pirsig stated that each level of quality is in conflict with the lower level and the higher level.

For example, organic quality are all the adaptations that the individual organism has adapted to continue to survive at that level.  The organic level of quality is always in conflict with inorganic quality (death...returning to static inorganic quality) on the one end, and social quality (the group) on the other.

It is the conflict of these qualities, which are adaptive when viewed from below and maladaptive when viewed from above (such as extreme aggression is viewed as a detriment by social quality.....but is adaptive when keeping the organism alive).

Pirsig, from a wide perspective I think, was taking in the direction that the sciences were viewing up close....how each of these phenomenon, which appear disconnected when viewed through the microscope of science, fit together when viewed from a big picture perspective.



Taking Pirsigs metaphysics of moral quality as template, a whole host of moral questions can be answered.  Stealing, for example, has biological quality....it allows an individual biological entity to gain a resources advantage.  From a purely biological perspective there is nothing immoral about stealing.

From a social level of quality, which is a higher level of quality than biological, stealing throws the social order in to chaos, as a society cannot exist without bounderies to individual behavior.  Once a society is seen by the individuals to be unable to maintain social order on biological quality, the individual biological entities see no benefit to continuing to abide by social order, which results in a deteroration of the social order.

The next evolutionary rachette step of morality is always more moral than the lower one.  Biological order is a lower level of quality from Social order.....Social order is a lower set of quality from Intellectual.

Pirsig used the example of Fascism versus Communism.  Fascism represented social order, the subservience of the individual to the state.  Communism, however, represented an idea, an intellectual idea.  As such, Communism was a higher level of quality than Fascism, and hence more moral.  Likewise western liberal democracy, being an intellectual idea manifested as government, is a higher level of quality that Fascism.

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People
« on: April 21, 2007, 06:09:40 PM »
****And now the spineless coward....I mean anti-gun point of view****


Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms
POSTED: 3:31 p.m. EDT, April 20, 2007

By Tom Plate
Special to CNN
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Editor's note: Tom Plate, former editor of the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times, is a professor of communication and policy studies at UCLA. He is author of a new book, "Confessions of an American Media Man."

Read an opposing take on gun control from Ted Nugent: Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster

LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Most days, it is not at all hard to feel proud to be an American. But on days such as this, it is very difficult.

The pain that the parents of the slain students feel hits deep into everyone's hearts. At the University of California, Los Angeles, students are talking about little else. It is not that they feel especially vulnerable because they are students at a major university, as is Virginia Tech, but because they are (to be blunt) citizens of High Noon America.

"High Noon" is a famous film. The 1952 Western told the story of a town marshal (played by the superstar actor Gary Cooper) who is forced to eliminate a gang of killers by himself. They are eventually gunned down.

The use of guns is often the American technique of choice for all kinds of conflict resolution. Our famous Constitution, about which many of us are generally so proud, enshrines -- along with the right to freedom of speech, press, religion and assembly -- the right to own guns. That's an apples and oranges list if there ever was one.

Not all of us are so proud and triumphant about the gun-guarantee clause. The right to free speech, press, religion and assembly and so on seem to be working well, but the gun part, not so much.

Let me explain. Some misguided people will focus on the fact that the 23-year-old student who killed his classmates and others at Virginia Tech was ethnically Korean. This is one of those observations that's 99.99 percent irrelevant. What are we to make of the fact that he is Korean? Ban Ki-moon is also Korean! Our brilliant new United Nations secretary general has not only never fired a gun, it looks like he may have just put together a peace formula for civil war-wracked Sudan -- a formula that escaped his predecessor.

So let's just disregard all the hoopla about the race of the student responsible for the slayings. These students were not killed by a Korean, they were killed by a 9 mm handgun and a .22-caliber handgun.

In the nineties, the Los Angeles Times courageously endorsed an all-but-complete ban on privately owned guns, in an effort to greatly reduce their availability. By the time the series of editorials had concluded, the newspaper had received more angry letters and fiery faxes from the well-armed U.S. gun lobby than on any other issue during my privileged six-year tenure as the newspaper's editorial page editor.

But the paper, by the way, also received more supportive letters than on any other issue about which it editorialized during that era. The common sense of ordinary citizens told them that whatever Americans were and are good for, carrying around guns like costume jewelry was not on our Mature List of Notable Cultural Accomplishments.

"Guns don't kill people," goes the gun lobby's absurd mantra. Far fewer guns in America would logically result in far fewer deaths from people pulling the trigger. The probability of the Virginia Tech gun massacre happening would have been greatly reduced if guns weren't so easily available to ordinary citizens.

Foreigners sometimes believe that celebrities in America are more often the targets of gun violence than the rest of us. Not true. Celebrity shootings just make better news stories, so perhaps they seem common. They're not. All of us are targets because with so many guns swishing around our culture, no one is immune -- not even us non-celebrities.

When the great pop composer and legendary member of the Beatles John Lennon was shot in 1980 in New York, many in the foreign press tabbed it a war on celebrities. Now, some in the media will declare a war on students or some-such. This is all misplaced. The correct target of our concern needs to be guns. America has more than it can possibly handle. How many can our society handle? My opinion is: as close to zero as possible.

Last month, I was robbed at 10 in the evening in the alley behind my home. As I was carrying groceries inside, a man with a gun approached me where my car was parked. The gun he carried featured one of those red-dot laser beams, which he pointed right at my head.

Because I'm anything but a James Bond type, I quickly complied with all of his requests. Perhaps because of my rapid response (it is called surrender), he chose not to shoot me; but he just as easily could have. What was to stop him?

This occurred in Beverly Hills, a low-crime area dotted with upscale boutiques, restaurants and businesses -- a city best known perhaps for its glamour and celebrity sightings.

Oh, and police tell me the armed robber definitely was not Korean. Not that I would have known one way or the other: Basically the only thing I saw or can remember was the gun, with the red dot, pointed right at my head.

A near-death experience does focus the mind. We need to get rid of our guns.


I'm amazed by his attempt to turn cowadice in to virtue...then convince us that we should endorse it as our national motto.  Funny how where I live, where most folks own and carry guns legally, we don't get mugged in alleyways.  His 'logic' tells him that if he makes guns illegal, there won't be any crime.  That tells me his logic is broken, and painted by his irrational fear of inanimate objects.

Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and the Right to Bear Arms are not apples and oranges issues.......they are apples and the apple tree issue.  All of those rights, government itself, springs from the barrell of a loaded gun.  In America, we decided those guns should be in the hands of the populace. 

This Tom Plate wants to buy himself the illusion of security by selling some Liberty back to the government....assuming, of course, that the benevolent government will keep all his other rights exactly in place.  What Tom Plate fails to realize is that the other freedoms he takes for granted, have been protected by the blood and arms of better men than him.  Only a society where good men sacrificed, would a base coward like Tom Plate have the liberty to pen such a diatribe against liberty itself.  You're welcome, Tom.

Liberty is for the brave.  Cowards will always sell liberty to anyone who will promise security and make the trains run on time.  Bread and Circus

Keep in mind that Liberty dies in this country when this man's opinion becomes that of the majority.

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Politics & Religion / Re: "Gun Town"
« on: April 21, 2007, 05:55:31 PM »
Meanwhile, how's that gun ban in Washington DC doing since 1976?

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Yeah, well....if we teach our children to passive enough, we can be an example to the whole world, then we can all join hands in perfect harmony.....right?  :|

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Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People
« on: April 14, 2007, 07:16:01 PM »
Hopefully this is something John Stossel is working on. He's a breath of fresh air in the MSM.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/

He recently pointed out that swimming pools in the home are much more dangerous than guns in the home.
To children under the age of 10, swimming pools are vastly more dangerous.  Approximately 110 children under the age of 10 are killed a year by handguns in the home in the US....each of them a tragedy, but an exceedingly rare tragedy given the nearly 300 million people in the US.

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In 1997 alone (the last year for which data are available), 742 children under age 10 drowned in the United States. About 550 of those--about 75 percent of the total--drowned in residential swimming pools. According to the most recent statistics, there are about 6 million residential pools, meaning that one child drowns annually for every 11,000 pools.

About 100 children under 10 died in 1998 as a result of guns. About two-thirds of those deaths were homicides. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the United States. Doing the math, there is roughly one child killed by guns for every 1 million guns. Thus, on average, if you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20010728/ai_n13920419   


Backyard swimming pools are 100 times more dangerous to children under 10 than loaded firearms in the homes.....yet, I haven't seen a push for swimming pool registration, waiting periods, mandatory swimming pool locks, or outright swimming pool bans.

Anti-gun groups recommend that parents ask other parents if they own a gun before letting their children come over to play.....maybe they should be asking if they own a swimming pool.

Hopolophobia strikes again. 

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Politics & Religion / Re: 300
« on: April 08, 2007, 08:28:50 PM »
Whatever the motivation, people need to wake up to the threat from the global jihad.
I'm not so confident we will.  I fear western civilization has become so complacent and spoiled in our decadent lifestyles, that most of us are willing to entertain the promise of peace at any cost, even if the reality is simply to let the wolf in the door, so long as the wolf is using pretty flowery promises of peace.  I fear we are willing to trade the future of western civilization for a few more years of ease.

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