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Politics & Religion / Re: Trump: Uke war would not have happened if I were still President
« on: February 01, 2023, 09:53:29 PM »
He shouldn't remind us how costly his losing was.
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Politics & Religion / Fair tax continued
« on: February 01, 2023, 11:10:27 AM »
quote author=Crafty_Dog
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"Not exercising the power of the 16th Amendment does not require its repeal."
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My view, if you don't repeal the income tax amendment, it will come back - in addition to the new consumption taxes that for the moment took its place.
I'm not sure why you see that differently. Doesn't all of western Europe have both a consumption tax and an income tax?
If we somehow ever win an election, cf. 2016 and tax reform 2017, isn't it also a certainty we will lose an election sometime after that. (To state the obvious.)
Unfortunately and ironically, when growth policies work, attention shifts to other priorities.
While nobody likes the tax code as is, the vast majority in polling, support progressive taxation.
Almost no one thinks Warren buffett's secretary should be taxed at the same rate as her boss. It's a non-starter politically.
Because of that, both fair tax and flat tax are moot, unicorns and distractions from currently realistic proposals, IMHO.
Also, tax cutting and tax rate cutting will not be center stage in the era of 1.6 trillilso,on dollar deficits.
Realistic proposals:
1. No new taxes.
2. Clean up the tax code.
3. Cut spending first.
4. Return tax law to the lawmakers. Depower the bureaucracy.
5. No tax bills reach the floor that don't enhance economic growth.
6. No tax on inflation, ever.
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"Not exercising the power of the 16th Amendment does not require its repeal."
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My view, if you don't repeal the income tax amendment, it will come back - in addition to the new consumption taxes that for the moment took its place.
I'm not sure why you see that differently. Doesn't all of western Europe have both a consumption tax and an income tax?
If we somehow ever win an election, cf. 2016 and tax reform 2017, isn't it also a certainty we will lose an election sometime after that. (To state the obvious.)
Unfortunately and ironically, when growth policies work, attention shifts to other priorities.
While nobody likes the tax code as is, the vast majority in polling, support progressive taxation.
Almost no one thinks Warren buffett's secretary should be taxed at the same rate as her boss. It's a non-starter politically.
Because of that, both fair tax and flat tax are moot, unicorns and distractions from currently realistic proposals, IMHO.
Also, tax cutting and tax rate cutting will not be center stage in the era of 1.6 trillilso,on dollar deficits.
Realistic proposals:
1. No new taxes.
2. Clean up the tax code.
3. Cut spending first.
4. Return tax law to the lawmakers. Depower the bureaucracy.
5. No tax bills reach the floor that don't enhance economic growth.
6. No tax on inflation, ever.
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Politics & Religion / A lefty look at Trump versus DeSantis
« on: February 01, 2023, 10:36:40 AM »
Author doesn't like either of them but I think he is right that DeSantis has the advantage.
1/3 of Republicans are committed to Trump at this point. That's not very good for a quasi incumbent.
Early announce is a sign of weakness. DeSantis doesn't have to hurry. He already has the national attention.
Also, he just got re-elected. Early announce could backfire.
What he is doing now, governing, is better than early campaigning.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-desantis-is-on-track-to-beat-trump/ar-AA16WQuX
1/3 of Republicans are committed to Trump at this point. That's not very good for a quasi incumbent.
Early announce is a sign of weakness. DeSantis doesn't have to hurry. He already has the national attention.
Also, he just got re-elected. Early announce could backfire.
What he is doing now, governing, is better than early campaigning.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-desantis-is-on-track-to-beat-trump/ar-AA16WQuX
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Politics & Religion / India has the fastest growth in the world...per IMF
« on: January 30, 2023, 09:49:14 PM »
Makes sense to me.
Look how pathetic those US projections are. Who voted for that kind of mediocrity / failure?
Look how pathetic those US projections are. Who voted for that kind of mediocrity / failure?
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Politics & Religion / Tax Policy, 80% federal tax? California cannibus
« on: January 30, 2023, 01:41:13 PM »
https://www.sfgate.com/cannabis/article/jerry-garcia-cannabis-leaving-california-17741843.php
I don't know why they call it legal cannabis. It's not legal until you pay the tax.
I don't know why they call it legal cannabis. It's not legal until you pay the tax.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« on: January 30, 2023, 12:30:22 PM »
Legal analysis, but I wanted to know what he thought happened at Sandy Hook, what he said and why that's a valid opinion to hold and espouse. But skip it if that part of it doesn't interest you.
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Politics & Religion / Omar
« on: January 30, 2023, 08:08:52 AM »
quote author=ccp
Omar has "love " for this country
she is a warrior for Jews
she has not committed crimes ( marrying her brother to illegally get him to US , campaign finance etc )
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This was from childhood, not her fault, but just that they were from the Omar family was a lie to get into the US.
Her Jew and Israel hatred is so deep she's not even aware of it. It's perfectly normal in her circles.
"It's all about the Benjamins, baby," relating to the Israel lobby, is not anti-Semitic? Then why the big public apology - demanded by her own leadership.
Now she's saying the apology was forced, not genuine?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/11/its-all-about-benjamins-baby-ilhan-omar-again-accused-anti-semitism-over-tweets/
Omar has "love " for this country
she is a warrior for Jews
she has not committed crimes ( marrying her brother to illegally get him to US , campaign finance etc )
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This was from childhood, not her fault, but just that they were from the Omar family was a lie to get into the US.
Her Jew and Israel hatred is so deep she's not even aware of it. It's perfectly normal in her circles.
"It's all about the Benjamins, baby," relating to the Israel lobby, is not anti-Semitic? Then why the big public apology - demanded by her own leadership.
Now she's saying the apology was forced, not genuine?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/11/its-all-about-benjamins-baby-ilhan-omar-again-accused-anti-semitism-over-tweets/
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024
« on: January 30, 2023, 07:35:39 AM »"One bad quality, he is a white male. "
still , I hope he does not come out as trans......
Don't ya just know the first woman President will be a former white male.
With Buttigieg, some Democrats wanted a gay white male before we have a female President. Then, based on black Jim Clyburn's endorsement, they picked white male Joe Biden - on merit?! And he admittedly picked his running mate on race and gender, probably in a back room deal with Clyburn.
But if Republicans do that it's racist, and the black candidate gets no additional black votes.
Identity politics is weird, a no-win game for our side.
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024
« on: January 30, 2023, 06:19:24 AM »
And on those areas of concern, it seems DeSantis has been rock solid.
One bad quality, he is a white male.
One bad quality, he is a white male.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues
« on: January 30, 2023, 05:50:17 AM »to get as many illegals here as fast as possible
https://gab.com/Matt_Bracken/posts/109772464658813667
The invasion of America is ongoing, 24/7.
Mostly healthy fighting-age men who do not speak a word of English.
They don't just "appear by magic" at our southern border.
Anybody on the planet can fly to Ecuador with no visa.
From China to Cameroon, they come.
Waiting buses take them to the north of Colombia, where they walk across the Darien Gap in Panama, then they catch river boats to waiting buses that take them to Costa Rica. Then they take more waiting buses country by country right to the U.S. border.
All this is assisted at every stage by the U.N., the U.S. govt, and the NGO "cutouts" who do their bidding. Mayorkas and "Biden" are behind this treasonous invasion up to their eyeballs.
New Ben Bergquam video at link. I was with him, Michael Yon and Oscar Blue in Panama last week.
I agree, treasonous. To the extent we help them, support these countries and organizations doing this and to the extent we aren't doing everything in our power to stop it, it's treasonous.
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024
« on: January 30, 2023, 05:13:18 AM »
"The way I remember her is that she was very much for Jeb! "
- I thought she supported Marco Rubio. As did Pence. And me.
- I thought she supported Marco Rubio. As did Pence. And me.
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024
« on: January 29, 2023, 01:20:58 PM »what are thought about perennial loser Mc Daniels being re elected
she talks the talk (unlike McConnell), but does not walk the walk (like McConnell ).
Nikki is sounding strong of late
but she has some real "splaining" to do on immigration etc.
for me.
But she has some crossover appeal - I think.
Pompeo is great and brilliant but lacks some charisma.
DeSantis still # 1 for me.
Sununu is worth watching
he sounds quite sensible .
Cris Christie - don't waste my time and should waste his either !
Don't know about Kemp or Youngkin on a national stage.
MTG is being quite the political operative with McCarthy et al it seems
pleasantly surprised .
Too bad about McDaniel, we needed new leadership and direction. Same for McConnell.
All Haley or any of them need to say on the border is enforce the and build the rest. If they won't come they won't be the nominee.
We just need someone to walk in with mainstream common sense and win. I wish that with DeSantis but fine with me if it's Haley or one of the others.
Trump was a teaser for what could be accomplished, speaking of flawed candidates. He opened some doors.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Deeply flawed
« on: January 29, 2023, 11:38:04 AM »"Most importantly, how did they only win the races where we had deeply flawed candidates? That goes beyond strange coincidence."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFgDLFBW9UM
Your point here (Fetterman) proves Democrats will vote for a deeply flawed candidate to win the Senate and the agenda. It doesn't refute my point that Republicans won't and didn't.
All the polls had Oz struggling right from the beginning until the end. Wasn't the guy he beat in the primary a more electable Republican? Same with New Hampshire? Same with Georgia? Same with Arizona? Any one or two of those would swing control of the Senate.
Why did Kemp win and Walker lose? Doesn't fit the ballot stuffing theory. All Left activists wanted Stacey Abrams to win.
Back to mocking voting. Tiresome.
I didn't see anything in plan b that addresses any of my problems or fixes what is wrong.
You're going to fix the FBI, get them to do their job by surrendering federal elections to the Left? And state elections, in my case?
You're going to find an enclave within our borders where a hostile federal government cannot bother you? I don't see that working.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Response to Doug, part 1
« on: January 29, 2023, 10:15:36 AM »
Looking forward to response part two. The jury verdict could be wrong and I shouldn't have mentioned it and happy to delete it. I noticed the quick change to 'yell fire' from falsely doing so. You can intentionally invite mayhem without consequence? My point never was about freedom of speech. It was about escorting people like that out of my association, whether it be my living room, my political party or social media if I owned or ran it. He can have his speech but not my podium.
The truth would have been a good defense for him. Just show those 26 are still alive, or maybe that they died of sudden death syndrome pre-vaccine, but I don't think so..
The heart of my point was, what kind of moron thinks Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen, retracts it years later only after he is sued, and what a waste of our limited time it is to care what he thinks or says about anything else. If this denial story is true, I keep trying to get context, I wish to not be any part of repeating, amplifying or drawing attention to anything about him.
The truth would have been a good defense for him. Just show those 26 are still alive, or maybe that they died of sudden death syndrome pre-vaccine, but I don't think so..
The heart of my point was, what kind of moron thinks Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen, retracts it years later only after he is sued, and what a waste of our limited time it is to care what he thinks or says about anything else. If this denial story is true, I keep trying to get context, I wish to not be any part of repeating, amplifying or drawing attention to anything about him.
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Politics & Religion / China Taiwan, Xi puts top brain on 'unification'
« on: January 29, 2023, 08:15:49 AM »
Analysis: Xi puts top brain in charge of Taiwan unification strategy
Nikkei Asia ^
So what role will Wang play in formulating a Taiwan policy during Xi's third term?
One source knowledgeable of China-Taiwan relations noted that Wang will be tasked with writing a theoretical unification strategy fit for the Xi era.
"One may assume that a threat of China using force to unify Taiwan is imminent, but this is not the case. The first step is to launch a new theory that will replace Deng's one country, two systems. Then pressure will be put on Taiwan based on it," the source explained.
The source expects this theory to become a yardstick with which to measure progress and to decide if a military operation is necessary.
Wang is a rare politician. He has served three successive supreme leaders -- Jiang Zemin, who died recently at the age of 96; Hu Jintao, 80; and Xi, 69 -- each time asked to stay on as the leader's brain.
On security issues, Xi is said to respect the advice of the seasoned Wang.
When Xi held talks with the rambunctious Donald Trump, Wang always sat beside him to offer advice. Nobody knew what Trump might say, and Xi needed somebody who could think quickly.
Wang's experience in writing important documents related to security and his past as a professor of international politics at Fudan University prepared him well.
The ability to write in ways that pleases the top leader of the time, however unclear it may seem to outsiders, is perhaps the most important skill to have in the Communist Party.
Huning will serve as deputy director. Wang Yi once served as the director of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, China's government.
As a Politburo Standing Committee member, Wang Huning in one of China's top seven and has a much higher level of authority than Wang Yi, a Politburo member.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Xi-puts-top-brain-in-charge-of-Taiwan-unification-strategy (paywall)
Nikkei Asia ^
So what role will Wang play in formulating a Taiwan policy during Xi's third term?
One source knowledgeable of China-Taiwan relations noted that Wang will be tasked with writing a theoretical unification strategy fit for the Xi era.
"One may assume that a threat of China using force to unify Taiwan is imminent, but this is not the case. The first step is to launch a new theory that will replace Deng's one country, two systems. Then pressure will be put on Taiwan based on it," the source explained.
The source expects this theory to become a yardstick with which to measure progress and to decide if a military operation is necessary.
Wang is a rare politician. He has served three successive supreme leaders -- Jiang Zemin, who died recently at the age of 96; Hu Jintao, 80; and Xi, 69 -- each time asked to stay on as the leader's brain.
On security issues, Xi is said to respect the advice of the seasoned Wang.
When Xi held talks with the rambunctious Donald Trump, Wang always sat beside him to offer advice. Nobody knew what Trump might say, and Xi needed somebody who could think quickly.
Wang's experience in writing important documents related to security and his past as a professor of international politics at Fudan University prepared him well.
The ability to write in ways that pleases the top leader of the time, however unclear it may seem to outsiders, is perhaps the most important skill to have in the Communist Party.
Huning will serve as deputy director. Wang Yi once served as the director of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, China's government.
As a Politburo Standing Committee member, Wang Huning in one of China's top seven and has a much higher level of authority than Wang Yi, a Politburo member.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Xi-puts-top-brain-in-charge-of-Taiwan-unification-strategy (paywall)
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Politics & Religion / Interest now costs more than defense
« on: January 29, 2023, 05:20:13 AM »
https://confoundedinterest.net/2023/01/28/us-paid-853-billion-in-interest-on-its-31-trillion-debt-in-2022-more-than-the-us-defense-budget/
Speaking of morons, what's wrong with the people who run our country, and our voters?
What's the answer? More spending, more borrowing, more debt, more interest, higher interest rates? They are trying to make irrelevant the people who want to fix it.
Speaking of morons, what's wrong with the people who run our country, and our voters?
What's the answer? More spending, more borrowing, more debt, more interest, higher interest rates? They are trying to make irrelevant the people who want to fix it.
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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Harvard Med School teaches
« on: January 29, 2023, 04:17:50 AM »20
Politics & Religion / Sandy Hook
« on: January 28, 2023, 09:31:12 PM »since I never listened to AJ only know of him the way I know of QAnon - through Left wing media
I was curious about his Sandy Hook denial up to 2019 and what that was even all about :
I found this on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_theories
Thank you ccp.
If I read this right, the massacre occurred in 2012.
Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people. Twenty of the victims were children between six and seven years old, and the other six were adult staff members.
The man under discussion denied it and was a large voice on the airwaves. Was sued in 2018. Admitted it happened in 2019. Seven years later!
The man is a moron, or am I missing something .
A jury said his reckless and false speech injured, damaged people.
Falsely holler "fire" in crowded theater? It was something like that. At least a jury thought so.
Who cares what his views on other issues, taxes, spending, cultural issues, defense, border security, gun control.
Main point was already offered. If he is on our side, he makes our side look bad, really bad.
It's been said, a moderated forum is like having invited guests in your living room for discussions on topics of interest.
Whether or not the shootings and deaths occurred seems like an easy enough thing to verify, if so inclined. There were witnesses, death certificates, funerals, loud sounds, blood on the floors and walls. He stuck with massacre denial for seven years? Why wouldn't you ask that guy to leave the discussion? If the massacre really happened, he's a moron, and a jerk. Right?
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Politics & Religion / Re: The Pelosi family (Nancy, Paul, Paul Jr, Gavin Newsome)
« on: January 27, 2023, 07:26:21 PM »
Sounds like he was 100% the victim in this case and deserved empathy, not snark. I apologize if I crossed that line. The correct reaction to most of these stories is to wait and see what the facts are.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:51:41 AM »Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was December 14, 2012
And?
Someone asked.
Unless I missed it, still no answer to what did he say (why did he say it) and when did he retract it?
Forget the dollar amount, was the jury wrong? Were the facts in the case wrong?
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John Lennon, 1968:
"But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow."
- That was advice for the Left. For the right maybe we could draw the line at Sandy Hook deniers. Even if they are really nice people and right most of the time. (I'm not saying he is. I know very little about him.)
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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Pfizer dept of virology? Project veritas
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:36:33 AM »24
Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:15:56 AM »
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was December 14, 2012
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024 and mastubatory wastes of time
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:07:31 AM »Reality check: Trump was a fluke. The PTB will NEVER let an outsider become president EVER again.
They just blatantly stole elections AGAIN in key states like Arizona.
YOU CAN"T GET TO 270 WITHOUT THE KEY STATES THEY CONTROL THROUGH FRAUD.
For sake of argument, let's assume there was cheating in all these close States in the tens of thousands of votes they needed and that swung the 2020 election and the 2022 Senate.
Now back up for a second. Biggest cheat I know of (except for people like Saddam Hussein winning 99% of the vote) was Chavez recall, 2004. My understanding was that real polling was 60/40 against him and the software based, centrally manipulated vote totals were 60/40 for him and he stayed in power.
You argue, I think, that they (Dems / Left) will overcome any margin of vote against them. I argue they can't. They're cheating has been at the margins. They've almost been caught. People are starting to know what to look for if not how to stop them. We may have widespread denial of cheating, but we don't have widespread support for cheating.
So many questions are unanswered. If they can cheat by any amount, how did they lose the House? How did they win the Senate seats in Georgia but lose the governor race by a landslide? Did they forget to change those votes? How did they lose Miami and all the counties of the butterfly ballot debacle?
Most importantly, how did they only win the races where we had deeply flawed candidates? That goes beyond strange coincidence.
On that 60/40 example flipping to 40/60, I argue they cannot do that here now and we need to start winning enough to make sure they never can.
The precedent we should look at in the US is 1984. I get it that the electorate is different now, but that is the type of difference between philosophies that needs to be defined. Reagan won with 58.8% of the vote (roughly the 60/40 split) and the most electoral votes in history.
If you accept the cheating argument, along with early voting ballot harvesting and so on, that they can get a few tens of thousands of votes in a few states when they need them, then we can't shoot for winning in a handful of states by a handful of votes. We need to define the issues in a 60/40 (or 80/20) sort of way.
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Leaving all that aside and assuming it is met with pessimism, then what is plan b?
How many arms and how thick of concrete will I need to keep the Feds outside the perimeter of my currently unlocked and unsecured location?
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Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy, fair tax inclusive, exclusive
« on: January 27, 2023, 07:06:21 AM »
exclusive, inclusive math:
$100 goods + 30% tax = $130 you pay
Of that $130 you pay, 30/130 (23%) is tax.
Proponent/sponsor Rep Carter calls 30% a myth because 23% sounds smaller, but both are true and opponents calling it a 30% national sales tax is true by all current conventions.
Why is that greater than something like 19.8% (?) current actual, I can't remember, but think it has to do with government purchases paying government taxes being a no gain event. These numbers come from the sponsor's site.
The whole thing is a non starter because:
1. You can't repeal the 16th amendment.
The rest of the reasons are academic, moot.
2. The prebates are a mess. How do you know who is low income, everyone might want to be. What is the amount that gets mailed out monthly, quarterly? How many checks? How is it updated? What could go wrong?
3. You can't repeal progressivity. Read any poll, such as 2022 midterms.
4. 30% is too big an incentive for black market, gray market, underground economy, barter, buy from friends or do without.
5. Start making exceptions (food, clothing, medicine, doctor visits) and that rate that's already too high spirals upward. What is the tax on free health care, 30% times nothing, or again, government pays government the tax on underlying value and no money is raised.
6. What percent of Americans favor zero income tax on trillionaires? Not even all trillionaires agree on that!
Proposing new taxes without any indication the old ones will go away is not playing with a little fire; it's more like playing with massive nuclear weapons.
There isn't some easy, magical or painless way to pay for massive, out of control spending. The first step toward a less painful and intrusive tax system would be to spend far less. The cradle to grave government spending approach doesn't lend itself to having a vibrant private sector or a low impact tax system, ever!
$100 goods + 30% tax = $130 you pay
Of that $130 you pay, 30/130 (23%) is tax.
Proponent/sponsor Rep Carter calls 30% a myth because 23% sounds smaller, but both are true and opponents calling it a 30% national sales tax is true by all current conventions.
Why is that greater than something like 19.8% (?) current actual, I can't remember, but think it has to do with government purchases paying government taxes being a no gain event. These numbers come from the sponsor's site.
The whole thing is a non starter because:
1. You can't repeal the 16th amendment.
The rest of the reasons are academic, moot.
2. The prebates are a mess. How do you know who is low income, everyone might want to be. What is the amount that gets mailed out monthly, quarterly? How many checks? How is it updated? What could go wrong?
3. You can't repeal progressivity. Read any poll, such as 2022 midterms.
4. 30% is too big an incentive for black market, gray market, underground economy, barter, buy from friends or do without.
5. Start making exceptions (food, clothing, medicine, doctor visits) and that rate that's already too high spirals upward. What is the tax on free health care, 30% times nothing, or again, government pays government the tax on underlying value and no money is raised.
6. What percent of Americans favor zero income tax on trillionaires? Not even all trillionaires agree on that!
Proposing new taxes without any indication the old ones will go away is not playing with a little fire; it's more like playing with massive nuclear weapons.
There isn't some easy, magical or painless way to pay for massive, out of control spending. The first step toward a less painful and intrusive tax system would be to spend far less. The cradle to grave government spending approach doesn't lend itself to having a vibrant private sector or a low impact tax system, ever!
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Politics & Religion / Re: Ray Epps still free as a bird...
« on: January 27, 2023, 05:49:25 AM »https://ace.mu.nu/archives/402909.php
Any ideas why?
I agree. We won't really understand Jan 6 until we solve the Ray Epps question and a couple other unsolved mysteries like Nancy Pelosi turning down security and her daughter knowing when and where to film Ray Epps. Did that really happen?
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Politics & Religion / Re: DeSantis comes out for change at RNC
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Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy
« on: January 26, 2023, 06:19:59 PM »Confused.
Aren't total federal revenues approximately 20% of GDP?
I will have to find a source for the math. Is the tax on everything? Business purchases, labor, services, government purchases, investments, homes?
It has to raise enough to replace all federal taxes, estate, corporate, individual, FICA, etc. And then you still have state income taxes in 42 states.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy
« on: January 26, 2023, 04:21:28 PM »"The Fair Tax Act, sponsored by Rep. Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (R-Ga.) and introduced this month, would do away with income, payroll, estate and gift taxes, and instead impose a 23 percent national sales tax. It would also eliminate funding for the IRS after fiscal 2027."
- Um, no it wouldn't. Rescinding the 16th amendment would and isn't the least bit realistic. Whomever we elect in 2026 will determine what the 2027 IRS budget will look like. Proposing a 30% national sales tax, bound to be misread, didn't help our cause.
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Where is the 30% number coming from?
My condensed assessment-- very good idea but needs lots of groundwork familiarizing the American people with the idea first.
Some say 23%, some say 30%. Depends on whether you measure inclusive or exclusive. If calculated like a sales tax, it's 30% added to the total.
https://buddycarter.house.gov
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2023/1/26/23563563/fairtax-national-sales-tax-kevin-mccarthy
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Politics & Religion / Re: Dems bomb the "fair tax" on national sales tax,
« on: January 26, 2023, 09:06:57 AM »of course :
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/democrats-hammer-gop-plan-to-impose-national-sales-tax-abolish-irs/ar-AA16K00R
the usual
"this hurts the poor more "
(and indeed that probably is true ! - not that I am against it since I am not for progressive taxation )
Yes. "Of course."
I'm not for progressive taxation either but losing all elections sucks.
From the article:
"The Fair Tax Act, sponsored by Rep. Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (R-Ga.) and introduced this month, would do away with income, payroll, estate and gift taxes, and instead impose a 23 percent national sales tax. It would also eliminate funding for the IRS after fiscal 2027."
- Um, no it wouldn't. Rescinding the 16th amendment would and isn't the least bit realistic. Whomever we elect in 2026 will determine what the 2027 IRS budget will look like. Proposing a 30% national sales tax, bound to be misread, didn't help our cause.
I assume this vote (McCarthy opposes) was part of the Speaker negotiations. Unforced errors. First level thinking. Self inflicted wounds. Maybe we are the stupid party. (
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Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« on: January 26, 2023, 08:38:58 AM »
"Which was more harmful, the idea that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked, or that the mRNA therapy ClotShot was "Safe and Effective"?"
My thinking on this: I reject the comparison. Answer the first on its merits, same for the second.
I will stipulate, everything to do with vaccine information, efficacy and dangers was botched. Blocking truths and valid opposing opinions was wrong and destroyed confidence - perhaps forever. If a perfectly accurate information set came out tomorrow, how would we know?
My question was on the first one. From what I can see, this canary did not go into that coal mine. If he did, I think he would have witnessed unspeakable carnage. If one doesn't have a kind word to say for the grieving, then silence might be a good choice.
To deny basic facts is the Left's approach. It doesn't work for our side. It doesn't advance the search for truth or the pursuit of an honest debate.
I still don't know what he said, why he said it or if he retracted it.
What I know is projection. They call us deniers while they deny so much, from basic economics to unintended consequences, even temperatures. We don't need someone purportedly of the right doing outrageous denial.
His right to speak and his right to be wrong are separate from our choice to associate, repeat, amplify or defend him.
MHO
My thinking on this: I reject the comparison. Answer the first on its merits, same for the second.
I will stipulate, everything to do with vaccine information, efficacy and dangers was botched. Blocking truths and valid opposing opinions was wrong and destroyed confidence - perhaps forever. If a perfectly accurate information set came out tomorrow, how would we know?
My question was on the first one. From what I can see, this canary did not go into that coal mine. If he did, I think he would have witnessed unspeakable carnage. If one doesn't have a kind word to say for the grieving, then silence might be a good choice.
To deny basic facts is the Left's approach. It doesn't work for our side. It doesn't advance the search for truth or the pursuit of an honest debate.
I still don't know what he said, why he said it or if he retracted it.
What I know is projection. They call us deniers while they deny so much, from basic economics to unintended consequences, even temperatures. We don't need someone purportedly of the right doing outrageous denial.
His right to speak and his right to be wrong are separate from our choice to associate, repeat, amplify or defend him.
MHO
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Politics & Religion / Re: 9th Circuit upholds Wealth Tax
« on: January 26, 2023, 06:47:08 AM »
From the article:
"The Ninth Circuit’s three-judge panel ruled that it didn’t matter that the Moores never received any money from their investment. A dividend, stock sale or other realization event wasn’t necessary, the court said, because there is “no set definition of income under the Sixteenth Amendment.” "
- Depends on what the meaning of income is?
They mean, depends on what the changing meaning of income is. Income has had clearly defined meaning since 1913, as the article goes on to point out.
A 3 judge panel, or one swing vote in the 9th Circus changes that? In what kind of country does that happen?
As opposed to the property tax, another wealth tax, the sales tax and income tax are attached to transactions, money changing hands, where the government can rather easily demand and take what it decides is it's share.
With unrealized gains, the taxpayer must pay the tax out of other income, often paying the tax with after tax income. After double taxed income.
What if the taxpayer doesn't have extra 'other income'? Then the tax forces the sale of the asset, changing the ownership of the asset against the will of the (former) owner.
Think family farm, for example. On top of your property tax and all other escalating costs, if large corporations (and foreign powers) are buying up similar properties and driving up the tax value of the rest, this has the power to force the rest to sell to them too. Great.
In America, we used to have at least some protections against that.
The family farm was an example. Same applies to ALL individual or family owned businesses and assets. If all your life is invested in building one business, you don't have other income to pay for what government thinks is the value of your asset. They are already fully taxing the income of the business. This is on top of that.
On my street where lakeshore values have gone crazy, one neighbor whose example is even worse than mine, he paid 33k for his house in the early 1970s. His property tax is now 28k per year. The old properties are in high demand by rich people for teardown. His tax per year is on track to pass his entire purchase price, every year, in a couple years. Now put a "wealth" tax on top of that. A couple million of 'wealth' times say 10% would bring hundreds of thousands in taxes. Out of what? The property does not produce any income. By definition. If it did, we already have at least two taxes on that, federal and state, plus city fees.
Why don't we just handcuff and remove the guy from his home or business, maybe with swastika uniforms, if we want him out and the richer and more powerful and connected in.
The question is, what kind of country do we want?! And who really owns your asset, you or the government?
How about gold? It goes up, you must sell some to pay the tax every year. How much do you have in the long run if they take some every year? How about crypto? They already ask on form 1040 if you bought or otherwise acquired any crypto. If it goes up, you owe. It goes down, you think you're going to get a full tax deduction? Dream on. Deductions are called loopholes and are all under attack.
Do people still think the elections that determine who picks and confirms who sits in the Supreme Court don't matter?
We don't care if Fetterman, Biden and Warlock et al decide who decides what the meaning of income is?!?!
It used to be, if it moves, tax it. Now it's if it exists, tax it.
Pretty soon only the extremely rich will be able to afford being rich.
"The Ninth Circuit’s three-judge panel ruled that it didn’t matter that the Moores never received any money from their investment. A dividend, stock sale or other realization event wasn’t necessary, the court said, because there is “no set definition of income under the Sixteenth Amendment.” "
- Depends on what the meaning of income is?
They mean, depends on what the changing meaning of income is. Income has had clearly defined meaning since 1913, as the article goes on to point out.
A 3 judge panel, or one swing vote in the 9th Circus changes that? In what kind of country does that happen?
As opposed to the property tax, another wealth tax, the sales tax and income tax are attached to transactions, money changing hands, where the government can rather easily demand and take what it decides is it's share.
With unrealized gains, the taxpayer must pay the tax out of other income, often paying the tax with after tax income. After double taxed income.
What if the taxpayer doesn't have extra 'other income'? Then the tax forces the sale of the asset, changing the ownership of the asset against the will of the (former) owner.
Think family farm, for example. On top of your property tax and all other escalating costs, if large corporations (and foreign powers) are buying up similar properties and driving up the tax value of the rest, this has the power to force the rest to sell to them too. Great.
In America, we used to have at least some protections against that.
The family farm was an example. Same applies to ALL individual or family owned businesses and assets. If all your life is invested in building one business, you don't have other income to pay for what government thinks is the value of your asset. They are already fully taxing the income of the business. This is on top of that.
On my street where lakeshore values have gone crazy, one neighbor whose example is even worse than mine, he paid 33k for his house in the early 1970s. His property tax is now 28k per year. The old properties are in high demand by rich people for teardown. His tax per year is on track to pass his entire purchase price, every year, in a couple years. Now put a "wealth" tax on top of that. A couple million of 'wealth' times say 10% would bring hundreds of thousands in taxes. Out of what? The property does not produce any income. By definition. If it did, we already have at least two taxes on that, federal and state, plus city fees.
Why don't we just handcuff and remove the guy from his home or business, maybe with swastika uniforms, if we want him out and the richer and more powerful and connected in.
The question is, what kind of country do we want?! And who really owns your asset, you or the government?
How about gold? It goes up, you must sell some to pay the tax every year. How much do you have in the long run if they take some every year? How about crypto? They already ask on form 1040 if you bought or otherwise acquired any crypto. If it goes up, you owe. It goes down, you think you're going to get a full tax deduction? Dream on. Deductions are called loopholes and are all under attack.
Do people still think the elections that determine who picks and confirms who sits in the Supreme Court don't matter?
We don't care if Fetterman, Biden and Warlock et al decide who decides what the meaning of income is?!?!
It used to be, if it moves, tax it. Now it's if it exists, tax it.
Pretty soon only the extremely rich will be able to afford being rich.
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Politics & Religion / Re: "premise poll"
« on: January 25, 2023, 07:31:39 PM »
I was going to post a different one that I also don't believe. Trump was well below 50% when he should be above 80% if he has the party behind him and DeSantis was above 30% when he should be near zero if the party is clamoring for more of Trump. Leading by a little doesn't make Trump look good.and cherry picking false ones, like Dems do, sounds desperate.
Note to all, if these were true, it tells the score before the game starts
Note to all, if these were true, it tells the score before the game starts
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Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« on: January 25, 2023, 12:48:58 PM »Woke Corp continues to suppress!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3KbzbS_oM
Glad to see you G M! I got as far as I could stand into the video and didn't get my question answered. What is the validity of what he said about the elementary school shooting. Not looking for a lecture on free speech. I favor that. I don't favor giving false speech a bigger megaphone. What exactly did he say? Is what he said true? Did what he questioned need questioning?
Or is he just loud noise in the room making 'our side' look bad.
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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Nuclear Power, smaller
« on: January 25, 2023, 12:35:33 PM »37
Politics & Religion / NYT, Biden docs screw up the Trump case
« on: January 25, 2023, 10:32:00 AM »
How so? Are they admitting Biden will never be prosecuted, therefore there is no case against trump? Pathetic reasoning. What the hell does biden's case have to do with Trump's case? Isn't it just how facts line up with the law, the law being an immovable object?
https://dnyuz.com/2023/01/24/bidens-handling-of-secret-documents-complicates-the-case-against-trump/
https://dnyuz.com/2023/01/24/bidens-handling-of-secret-documents-complicates-the-case-against-trump/
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Politics & Religion / Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« on: January 25, 2023, 10:28:33 AM »
Thank you. Now let's get the word out.
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Politics & Religion / War on rule of law; Deep State, IRS TARGETING, never forget, TTT
« on: January 25, 2023, 06:22:09 AM »
From these threads. Not only was Obama not impeached for this but his VP went on to run and win again - unquestioned - about it.
100% of the conservative groups organizing, for one thing to oppose Obama's reelection, were denied organizing status by the IRS while 100%of the liberal groups were approved. That FACT is on page 188 of the defining Senate report. Besides here, it went no further than that. Nothing like "transparency".
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IRS Targeting - 700 conservative groups were prevented from raising money and participating (against Obama's reelection and policies) by action / inaction of the federal bureaucracy, while the IRS commissioner was visiting the White House 500 times more often than his predecessor.
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Page 188 of the report claiming, "both liberal and conservatives groups received the same bad treatment and were targeted by the IRS" story:
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/REPORT%20-%20IRS%20&%20TIGTA%20Mgmt%20Failures%20Related%20to%20501(c)(4)%20(Sept%205%202014,%209-9-14%20update).pdf
"104 conservative groups were asked 1552 questions. 7 liberal groups were asked a total of 33 questions.
100% of liberal group applications were approved."
[100% of conservative groups were denied approval over that time period.]
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/REPORT%20-%20IRS%20&%20TIGTA%20Mgmt%20Failures%20Related%20to%20501(c)(4)%20(Sept%205%202014,%209-9-14%20update).pdf
100% (all) of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12" were denied tax-exempt status for two years coming into Obama's reelection.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323873904578571363311816922
https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1718.msg120464#msg120464
100% of the conservative groups organizing, for one thing to oppose Obama's reelection, were denied organizing status by the IRS while 100%of the liberal groups were approved. That FACT is on page 188 of the defining Senate report. Besides here, it went no further than that. Nothing like "transparency".
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IRS Targeting - 700 conservative groups were prevented from raising money and participating (against Obama's reelection and policies) by action / inaction of the federal bureaucracy, while the IRS commissioner was visiting the White House 500 times more often than his predecessor.
-----
Page 188 of the report claiming, "both liberal and conservatives groups received the same bad treatment and were targeted by the IRS" story:
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/REPORT%20-%20IRS%20&%20TIGTA%20Mgmt%20Failures%20Related%20to%20501(c)(4)%20(Sept%205%202014,%209-9-14%20update).pdf
"104 conservative groups were asked 1552 questions. 7 liberal groups were asked a total of 33 questions.
100% of liberal group applications were approved."
[100% of conservative groups were denied approval over that time period.]
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/REPORT%20-%20IRS%20&%20TIGTA%20Mgmt%20Failures%20Related%20to%20501(c)(4)%20(Sept%205%202014,%209-9-14%20update).pdf
100% (all) of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12" were denied tax-exempt status for two years coming into Obama's reelection.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323873904578571363311816922
https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1718.msg120464#msg120464
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Politics & Religion / Re: Blue table shows what Gov. DeSantis objected to with "black history"
« on: January 24, 2023, 11:28:14 AM »
Bold to take this on.
Another case where the counterattack writes itself way too easily.
Are people ready to take on woke?
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From the article:
" We proudly require the teaching of African American history. We do not accept woke indoctrination masquerading as education."
- We won't see the first part of that in the attack ads.
Another case where the counterattack writes itself way too easily.
Are people ready to take on woke?
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From the article:
" We proudly require the teaching of African American history. We do not accept woke indoctrination masquerading as education."
- We won't see the first part of that in the attack ads.
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Science, Culture, & Humanities / Ironically, the human brain is far too complex for the human brain to fathom
« on: January 24, 2023, 07:08:36 AM »
hms.harvard.edu
"Many of us have seen microscopic images of neurons in the brain — each neuron appearing as a glowing cell in a vast sea of blackness. This image is misleading: Neurons don’t exist in isolation. In the human brain, some 86 billion neurons form 100 trillion connections to each other — numbers that, ironically, are far too large for the human brain to fathom. Wei-Chung Allen Lee, Harvard Medical School associate professor of neurology at Boston Children’s Hospital, is working in a new field of neuroscience called connectomics, which aims to comprehensively map connections between neurons in the brain. “The brain is structured so that each neuron is connected to thousands of other neurons, and so to understand what a single neuron is doing, ideally you study it within the context of the rest of the neural network,” Lee explained. Lee recently spoke to Harvard Medicine News about the promise of connectomics. He also described his own research, which combines connectomics with information on neural activity to explore neural circuits that underlie behavior.' (Source: hms.harvard.edu)
"Many of us have seen microscopic images of neurons in the brain — each neuron appearing as a glowing cell in a vast sea of blackness. This image is misleading: Neurons don’t exist in isolation. In the human brain, some 86 billion neurons form 100 trillion connections to each other — numbers that, ironically, are far too large for the human brain to fathom. Wei-Chung Allen Lee, Harvard Medical School associate professor of neurology at Boston Children’s Hospital, is working in a new field of neuroscience called connectomics, which aims to comprehensively map connections between neurons in the brain. “The brain is structured so that each neuron is connected to thousands of other neurons, and so to understand what a single neuron is doing, ideally you study it within the context of the rest of the neural network,” Lee explained. Lee recently spoke to Harvard Medicine News about the promise of connectomics. He also described his own research, which combines connectomics with information on neural activity to explore neural circuits that underlie behavior.' (Source: hms.harvard.edu)
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Politics & Religion / Isaac Orr, The High Cost of Solar
« on: January 24, 2023, 05:55:31 AM »
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2023/01/24/sunshine_might_be_free_but_solar_power_is_not_cheap_877463.html
No question he reads the forum.
Actual data from a southern state, solar panels are producing 22% of the time.
From the article:
"families and businesses are forced to pay for two electric systems: one that works when the sun is out, and one that works when it isn’t."
In their actual data, natural gas is only slightly cheaper than nuclear, and coal and solar are more expensive.
If you figure in any value for being carbon-free, there is no excuse for not building more nuclear.
Build more solar and you will have to use fossil fuels for the other 78% of the time. That is not carbon-free!
All that subsidies do is transfer and distort costs causing utilities to make the wrong choices. Choices that produce more carbon, not less.
No question he reads the forum.
Actual data from a southern state, solar panels are producing 22% of the time.
From the article:
"families and businesses are forced to pay for two electric systems: one that works when the sun is out, and one that works when it isn’t."
In their actual data, natural gas is only slightly cheaper than nuclear, and coal and solar are more expensive.
If you figure in any value for being carbon-free, there is no excuse for not building more nuclear.
Build more solar and you will have to use fossil fuels for the other 78% of the time. That is not carbon-free!
All that subsidies do is transfer and distort costs causing utilities to make the wrong choices. Choices that produce more carbon, not less.
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Politics & Religion / Re: Biden Transition and Administration, Jeff Zients
« on: January 23, 2023, 08:52:11 PM »47
Politics & Religion / It's official, Republican tax cuts paid for themselves
« on: January 23, 2023, 01:12:17 PM »
It's official, Republican tax cuts paid for themselves.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves
This should go in the media thread, since they won't cover it.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves
This should go in the media thread, since they won't cover it.
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Politics & Religion / Re: so exactly why did some repubs not vote for her?
« on: January 23, 2023, 01:02:14 PM »
Some thoughts:
1. The term Arizona Republican has meant centrist moderate for decades. cf. Mccain, Flake, Sandra Day O'Connor.
2. Arizona's rapid population growth is made up of people from other places with other voting habits, people from Minnesota, for example. That is why it moved left and became a politically divided state.
3. They omit the other possible reason (cheating) she lost.
4. We heard the good about Kari Lake but they heard the bad, that she's a batsh*t crazy election denier, and supporter of he who shall not be named.
5. To attack 'RINOs' while in a fight to unite is of questionable efficacy.
1. The term Arizona Republican has meant centrist moderate for decades. cf. Mccain, Flake, Sandra Day O'Connor.
2. Arizona's rapid population growth is made up of people from other places with other voting habits, people from Minnesota, for example. That is why it moved left and became a politically divided state.
3. They omit the other possible reason (cheating) she lost.
4. We heard the good about Kari Lake but they heard the bad, that she's a batsh*t crazy election denier, and supporter of he who shall not be named.
5. To attack 'RINOs' while in a fight to unite is of questionable efficacy.
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Politics & Religion / Re: 2024
« on: January 23, 2023, 12:26:43 PM »
It appears Nikki Haley is running.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nikki-haley-teases-presidential-run-would-begin-on-broken-promise
I like her almost as much as DeSantis.
Is Trump damaged goods, more so than at any other times?
Are we setting up a fight no one can win?
Trump got in way too early for two reasons, to show his legal problems to be political, and to intimidate the field.
Does her jumping in as first of the rest show courage or make her cannon fodder?
Will she divide the DeSantis / not Trump vote and help Trump win the nomination, only to lose the general election?
Is it possible they could all remain positive and focused on the prize, and not beat each other to a pulp?
I think she has a great resume and a good conservative attitude toward the issues. I think DeSantis ran a larger, more politically divided state in more troubled times, made more of an impact.
She's female, weird to point that out, and has a little bit of color. )
Very possible that Kamala is the incumbent by 2024. Probably not the nominee if not the incumbent.
Some think it would be nice, 250 years later, if a woman became President. I wish it would be one of ours.
Trump is focused on a rematch with Biden, which is so yesterday.
Among other things, I won't forgive him for his miserable first debate with Biden. No amount of rally ranting will make up for that.
In 1968, when Democrats were tired of LBJ, they were teased with all the younger leaders (RFK was murdered) and ended up with LBJ's vice president as the nominee, Hubert humphrey, and he lost.
In 1980, when Democrats were tired of Jimmy Carter, they stuck with him, and lost.
The table is set in 2024 for a new leader, a real leader, a different kind of leader to emerge. Both DeSantis and Haley have some traditional Republican in them and some potential for the boldness that will be required to lead in these times.
Maybe Trump is the odd man out and the contest becomes between others. Or maybe so many get in that it gets all muddled. We will see.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nikki-haley-teases-presidential-run-would-begin-on-broken-promise
I like her almost as much as DeSantis.
Is Trump damaged goods, more so than at any other times?
Are we setting up a fight no one can win?
Trump got in way too early for two reasons, to show his legal problems to be political, and to intimidate the field.
Does her jumping in as first of the rest show courage or make her cannon fodder?
Will she divide the DeSantis / not Trump vote and help Trump win the nomination, only to lose the general election?
Is it possible they could all remain positive and focused on the prize, and not beat each other to a pulp?
I think she has a great resume and a good conservative attitude toward the issues. I think DeSantis ran a larger, more politically divided state in more troubled times, made more of an impact.
She's female, weird to point that out, and has a little bit of color. )
Very possible that Kamala is the incumbent by 2024. Probably not the nominee if not the incumbent.
Some think it would be nice, 250 years later, if a woman became President. I wish it would be one of ours.
Trump is focused on a rematch with Biden, which is so yesterday.
Among other things, I won't forgive him for his miserable first debate with Biden. No amount of rally ranting will make up for that.
In 1968, when Democrats were tired of LBJ, they were teased with all the younger leaders (RFK was murdered) and ended up with LBJ's vice president as the nominee, Hubert humphrey, and he lost.
In 1980, when Democrats were tired of Jimmy Carter, they stuck with him, and lost.
The table is set in 2024 for a new leader, a real leader, a different kind of leader to emerge. Both DeSantis and Haley have some traditional Republican in them and some potential for the boldness that will be required to lead in these times.
Maybe Trump is the odd man out and the contest becomes between others. Or maybe so many get in that it gets all muddled. We will see.
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Politics & Religion / Facts prove right wing media correct, MSM negligent
« on: January 23, 2023, 10:23:59 AM »
https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/18/cnn-breaks-news-the-federalist-reported-years-ago-on-james-biden/
The Federalist frames this perfectly. CNN admits truth, two years and two elections too late, while they (The Federalist) exposed in a timely manner.
I had a scandal discussion with a friend last week. He brought up 'Santos' to see what I thought about a lying Republican. I said (what ccp just said), yes he should resign, just as soon as soon as Biden and people like Schiff do. Digressing into scandals it turned out this friend knew something of Hunter's troubles but nothing of the brother (turns out there are two brothers of Joe in the Biden crime family).
It frustrates me what liberals (in this case a moderate) don't know about the facts. This friend has an engineering degree, Harvard MBA, is a CFO, subscribes and reads NYT and WSJ plus local paper -he brought up political scandals and hadn't heard of James Biden. Same friend could still remember Neil Bush's involvement in the S&L scandal,1980s, it fit the narrative,, but nothing on this one.
What we have at CNN and all of them is lying by omission and lying by denial of real stories.
Like ccp said, where is the Woodward and Bernsteins on this? NY Post in this case and The Federalist, but no one followed. More than a handful of of deep staters said it was Russian misinformation and that was the end of it. Then we find out it's true and no one cares. We find out our own "intelligence" and "investigative" agencies helped cover it up and there's no outrage!
My question is this, nothing to do with lying Leftists, when do people like this, people who, like us, want to be honest observers, when do they become aware and get tired of being lied to and having facts witheld in their expensive subscriptions?
The Federalist frames this perfectly. CNN admits truth, two years and two elections too late, while they (The Federalist) exposed in a timely manner.
I had a scandal discussion with a friend last week. He brought up 'Santos' to see what I thought about a lying Republican. I said (what ccp just said), yes he should resign, just as soon as soon as Biden and people like Schiff do. Digressing into scandals it turned out this friend knew something of Hunter's troubles but nothing of the brother (turns out there are two brothers of Joe in the Biden crime family).
It frustrates me what liberals (in this case a moderate) don't know about the facts. This friend has an engineering degree, Harvard MBA, is a CFO, subscribes and reads NYT and WSJ plus local paper -he brought up political scandals and hadn't heard of James Biden. Same friend could still remember Neil Bush's involvement in the S&L scandal,1980s, it fit the narrative,, but nothing on this one.
What we have at CNN and all of them is lying by omission and lying by denial of real stories.
Like ccp said, where is the Woodward and Bernsteins on this? NY Post in this case and The Federalist, but no one followed. More than a handful of of deep staters said it was Russian misinformation and that was the end of it. Then we find out it's true and no one cares. We find out our own "intelligence" and "investigative" agencies helped cover it up and there's no outrage!
My question is this, nothing to do with lying Leftists, when do people like this, people who, like us, want to be honest observers, when do they become aware and get tired of being lied to and having facts witheld in their expensive subscriptions?