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Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 03, 2011, 01:51:31 PM »
Like with Iraq, Libya and elsewhere, the question is: And replace it with what?

Answer: In Pakistan's case, we whack those responsible for sheltering OBL, seize their nukes and gut every bit of the important military hardware they got from us. Let the pieces fall where they may after we defang the beast.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 03, 2011, 09:28:21 AM »
Pulling the trigger on Bin Laden was a no brainer. Anyone in the seat would have done it, even Biden, once they explained who he was and how he presented a threat to Amtrak.

Will Obama press the fight, meaning "kinetic military activity" against Pakistani intel/military/political figures?

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 03, 2011, 08:09:49 AM »
Will Obama seize the advantage and press the war with the treasure trove of intel we now have?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/02/jackpot-u-s-finds-huge-amount-of-data-on-bin-ladens-computers/

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 03, 2011, 07:50:45 AM »
Seriously, he only played 9 holes of golf that day. Probably the most focused he's ever been on the job. The definite high point of his time as president.


Now, if there is a late night press conference to announce that he's killed the nat'l debt, or 0bamacare at the least.....

19606
Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 03, 2011, 07:47:25 AM »
"For the first time in my adult life.....I am proud of Buraq H. Obama".

19607
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42872032

The euphoric scenes that met the death of Osama Bin Laden will not boost President Barack Obama’s re-election hopes, according to Alastair Newton, a political analyst at Nomura in London.

“The immediate reaction in the US notwithstanding, 'normal business' will soon be resumed in US politics. There will be no change on the fiscal/debt polarization and contrary to some commentators' reaction, definitely no election boost for Obama,” said Newton in an interview with CNBC on Tuesday.

With little or no operational control over al-Qaeda in recent years, Newton believes Osama’s death will have little impact on the terror group’s ability to mount attacks.

“Bin Laden’s role as head of al-Qaeda seems to have been largely symbolic for some years now, he was not responsible for operational planning and decision-making,” he added.

Following the brief rally on news of Bin Laden’s death, stocks gave up gains and Newton told CNBC that he agrees with the market reaction.

“There is no readily identifiable substantive reason for the market rally which the announcement of his bin Laden’s death triggered,” he said.


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Politics & Religion / The big questions
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:26:16 PM »
Who in the ISI and elsewhere is losing sleep over the hard drives seized at OBL's safehouse?

Will Obama use this opportunity to advance America's national security?

19609
Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Economics
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:15:01 PM »
Hard to know how to address this, as for academics they don't care if it works or not in practice, they want to know if it works in theory.  :evil:

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Hmmmmmm. Better hope we've got a bead on Zawahiri before the next media cycle....  :-D

19612

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=27305

“Cheney’s assassination squad just killed bin Laden”

Mark Hemingway:
 

Under Bush, JSOC was routinely smeared by the left and placed at the center of many Bush/Cheney conspiracy theories. Specifically, New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh alleged it was Dick Cheney’s personal assassination squad:

"After 9/11, I haven't written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven't been called on it yet."
 
Hersh then went on to describe a second area of extra-legal operations: the Joint Special Operations Command. "It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently," he explained. "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. ... Congress has no oversight of it."
 
"It's an executive assassination ring essentially, and it's been going on and on and on," Hersh stated. "Under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That's been going on, in the name of all of us."

 
And yet today, many on the left seem to think this all just fine and dandy, now that their guy is in office.
 
Which is cool with me, so long as they continue to miss the bigger picture. Namely, that we notice all this.
 
And bin Laden’s death won’t make a speck of difference for Democrats come November of 2012. When $5 gas, $12 coffee, and $4 bread loaves, and a dying economy take center stage. The President can take credit for military operations whose methods in other contexts (and under different leadership) he’s condemned; he can play with the unemployment numbers to show a decline when we all know the numbers are actually growing; he can pretend that the economy is bouncing back — and the media will dutifully repeat this absurdity.
 
But what he can’t do is hide the inflation; or tell the real unemployed and underemployed that their situation is bettering.

And that means it’s too bad for those beating their chests today that the next election isn’t going to be held this afternoon. And even if it were, I suspect Obama’d lose in a landslide.
 
So we got that going for us.

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Politics & Religion / Why are they upset?, UK edition
« on: May 02, 2011, 02:34:16 PM »
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/UK-Reaction-To-Bin-Laden-Death-Muslims-Urged-To-Remain-Peaceful-Following-Terrorists-Death/Article/201105115984076?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15984076_UK_Reaction_To_Bin_Laden_Death%3A_Muslims_Urged_To_Remain_Peaceful_Following_Terrorists_Death

Appeal For Calm In UK After Bin Laden Death
 10 Comments5:01pm UK, Monday May 02, 2011

Mike McCarthy, North of England correspondent

The head of one of Britain's largest Muslim organisations has urged people to remain peaceful following the death of Osama bin Laden.

 
British Muslims have been urged to 'move on' after the death of Bin Laden



Councillor Salim Mulla, who is chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, told Sky News: "I am appealing publicly to all Muslim communities wherever they may be that there is no backlash. We should now move on."

Cllr Mulla said although he was not critical of the American operation that resulted in the Bin Laden's killing, he thought many Muslims would be "irritated".

He said: "I really hope and pray that there will not be a backlash. I hope it won't happen and I can't see it happening.

"I have been very critical of American foreign policy in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it is time to move on.

"In relation to Osama bin Laden - we believe that the soul of anybody who dies belongs to God and he will now be accountable to God."

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Politics & Religion / Why are they upset?
« on: May 02, 2011, 02:29:43 PM »

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143848


Arabs Riot in Jerusalem Over Bin Laden's Demise, Hamas Angry

 
by Hillel Fendel


Arabs in the village of Silwan, adjacent to the City of David neighborhood in Jerusalem, rioted Monday night in protest over the elimination of Osama Bin-Laden. The rioters were throwing stones at police and attempting to block roads.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead
« on: May 02, 2011, 02:24:45 PM »
Waiting for the "Vast majority of peaceful muslims" to set them straight.....

http://tribune.com.pk/story/161126/hundreds-join-first-rally-to-honour-bin-laden/

QUETTA: Hundreds took to the streets of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said.
 
Angry participants belonging to a religious party in Quetta, the capital of southwestern province Baluchistan, were led by federal lawmaker Maulawi Asmatullah. They also torched a US flag before dispersing peacefully.
 
It was the first rally in Pakistan after the United States announced that bin Laden had been killed in an overnight commando mission in Pakistan.
 
Organisers said between 1,000 and 1,200 people attended the rally, but witnesses put the figure closer to 800.
 
“Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed (Muslim fighter),” Asmatullah said.

QUETTA: Hundreds took to the streets of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said.
 
Angry participants belonging to a religious party in Quetta, the capital of southwestern province Baluchistan, were led by federal lawmaker Maulawi Asmatullah. They also torched a US flag before dispersing peacefully.
 
It was the first rally in Pakistan after the United States announced that bin Laden had been killed in an overnight commando mission in Pakistan.
 
Organisers said between 1,000 and 1,200 people attended the rally, but witnesses put the figure closer to 800.
 
“Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed (Muslim fighter),” Asmatullah said.

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Politics & Religion / HAMAS not happy
« on: May 02, 2011, 11:57:49 AM »
GAZA (Reuters) - The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday condemned the killing by U.S. forces of Osama bin Laden and mourned him as an "Arab holy warrior."
 
"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters.
 
Though he noted doctrinal differences between bin Laden's al Qaeda and Hamas, Haniyeh said: "We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs."
 
(Writing by Dan Williams, Reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi)

But we keep being told that OBL wasn't a real muslim.....

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Politics & Religion / Re: "Palestinans" celebrate bin Laden death
« on: May 02, 2011, 11:51:25 AM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k[/youtube]

Oh wait, they are celebrating the 9/11 attacks. My bad.

Note for Andrew: These are the people that can't say "Palestine" as they are the decendants of the arab invaders of the land Hadrian renamed "Palistinia" to spite the orignal Jewish inhabitants. Just wanted to be clear on this.

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Politics & Religion / Compound in Pakistan was once a safe house
« on: May 02, 2011, 11:21:54 AM »

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/compound-in-pakistan-was-once-a-safe-house-1.802539

Compound in Pakistan was once a safe house

House was not owned by the government and had been rented by Afghan nationals, intelligence official says
By Ashfaq Ahmed, Chief Reporter
Published: 00:00 May 3, 2011


Soldiers of Pakistan Army seen near the house in Abbottabad on Tuesday where Osama Bin Laden was believed to have been residing. The physical security measures of the compound are extraordinary. It has 12-to-18-foot outer walls, topped with barbed wire fencing.
 

Dubai: The compound in Abbottabad where Osama Bin Laden was killed was once used as a safe house by Pakistan's premier intelligence agency ISI, Gulf News has learnt.
 
"This area had been used as ISI's safe house, but it was not under their use any more because they keep on changing their locations," a senior intelligence official confided to Gulf News. However, he did not reveal when and for how long it was used by the ISI operatives. Another official cautiously said "it may not be the same house but the same compound or area used by the ISI".
 
The official also confirmed that the house was rented out by Afghan nationals and is not owned by the government. The house is located just 800 metres away from the Pakistan Military Academy and some former senior military officials live nearby.
 
Abbottabad is a garrison town located just 50 kilometres north of Islamabad and it is a popular summer resort, originally built by the British during colonial rule. The city houses a number of upscale educational institutions and religious schools as well.

Secluded affluence
 
According to the briefing by senior US officials on the killing of Bin Laden, the area is relatively affluent, with lots of retired military staff. It is also insulated from the natural disasters and terrorist attacks that have afflicted other parts of Pakistan — an extraordinarily unique compound. The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built. It is roughly eight times larger than nearby homes.
 
The physical security measures of the compound are extraordinary.
 
It has 12-to-18-foot outer walls, topped with barbed wires. Internal walls sectioned off different portions of the compound to provide extra privacy.
 
Access to the compound is restricted by two security gates and the residents of the compound burnt their trash, unlike their neighbours, who put the trash out for collection.
 
The property is valued at approximately $1 million (Dh3.67 million), but has no telephone or Internet connection.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:55:23 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html


WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden 'protected' by Pakistani security

 Pakistani security forces allegedly helped Osama bin Laden evade American troops for almost 10 years, according to secret US government files.
 
By Tim Ross
5:31PM BST 02 May 2011

American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.
 

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security to help them avoid capture and sent a unit into Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban.
 

The claims, made in leaked US government files obtained by Wikileaks, will add to questions over Pakistan’s capacity to fight al-Qaeda.
 

Last year, David Cameron caused a diplomatic furore when he told Pakistan that it could not “look both ways” on terrorism. The Pakistani government issued a strongly-worded rebuttal.
 

But bin Laden was eventually tracked down and killed in compound located just a few hundred yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy in Abbotabad.
 


The raid by elite US troops was kept secret from the government of Pakistan. Only a tight circle within the Obama Administration knew of the operation.
 
In December 2009, the government of Tajikistan warned the United States that efforts to catch bin Laden were being thwarted by corrupt Pakistani spies.
 
According to a US diplomatic dispatch, General Abdullo Sadulloevich Nazarov, a senior Tajik counterterrorism official, told the Americans that “many” inside Pakistan knew where bin Laden was.
 
The document stated: “In Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden wasn’t an invisible man, and many knew his whereabouts in North Waziristan, but whenever security forces attempted a raid on his hideouts, the enemy received warning of their approach from sources in the security forces.”
 
Intelligence gathered from detainees at Guantanamo Bay may also have made the Americans wary of sharing their operational plans with the Pakistani government.
 
One detainee, Saber Lal Melma, an Afghan whom the US described as a probable facilitator for al-Qaeda, allegedly worked with the ISID to help members flee Afghanistan after the American bombing began in October 2001.
 
His US military Guantanamo Bay detainee file, obtained by Wikileaks and seen by The Daily Telegraph, claims he allegedly passed the al-Qaeda Arabs to Pakistani security forces who then smuggled them across the border into Pakistan.
 
He was also overheard “bragging about a time when the ISID sent a military unit into Afghanistan, posing as civilians to fight along side the Taliban against US forces”.
 
He also allegedly detailed “ISID's protection of Al-Qaida members at Pakistan airports. The ISID members diverted Al-Qaida members through unofficial channels to avoid detection from officials in search of terrorists,” the file claims.
 

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Politics & Religion / "Palestinans" celebrate bin Laden death
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:35:53 AM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k[/youtube]

Oh wait, they are celebrating the 9/11 attacks. My bad.

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Politics & Religion / Re: That's odd , , ,
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:26:16 AM »
Within a mile of a Pakistani officer training school.
 
12-18 foot walls
 
No trash pickup, phone hookup or internet connection
 
Few windows facing to the outside.  Third floor balcony had a 7' privacy wall
 
Roughly 8 times the size of any residence nearby


Sign posted outside saying "ISI safehouse, no kufar allowed".

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:21:02 AM »
Good thing Obama has been so diligent in keeping all his pledges.

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Politics & Religion / The muslim world celebrates!
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:20:12 AM »
I'm expecting the muslim world to publicly celebrate the death of OBL, given he wasn't a muslim anyway, although we had to respectfully bury him like a muslim, although that wasn't good enough for al azhar, oh and the muslim brotherhood is upset, luckily they are a secular group of somekind.....  :roll:


Yup, the joyous crowds of the "Vast majority of peaceful muslims" should be celebrating anytime now......

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Politics & Religion / Targeted killing now ok?
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:07:29 AM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502

U.S. team's mission was to kill bin Laden, not capture
 
WASHINGTON | Mon May 2, 2011 8:46am EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters.

"This was a kill operation," the official said, making clear there was no desire to try to capture bin Laden alive in Pakistan.

(Reporting by Mark Hosenball, writing by Matt Spetalnick)

Ok lawfare advocates, upset at the lack of due process? It appears the US violated all kinds of international law here.

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http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html


Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden
 Article by: ADAM GOLDMAN , Associated Press
Updated: May 2, 2011 - 11:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.
 
Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.
 
The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.

He did? I think not.

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Politics & Religion / Hiding bin Laden: Finger of suspicion at ISI
« on: May 02, 2011, 09:47:41 AM »
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Hiding-bin-Laden-Finger-of-suspicion-at-ISI/articleshow/8141352.cms?intenttarget=no

Hiding bin Laden: Finger of suspicion at ISI
Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN | May 2, 2011, 12.05pm IST

WASHINGTON: Just hours after American Navy Seals shot dead Osama bin Laden in a compound in Pakistan on Sunday, US President Barack Obama shot down the Pakistani security establishment's attempt to claim joint credit for the operation.

In a ten-minute television address, Obama left no doubt that US personnel alone were involved in the action that brought bin Laden to justice. ''Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan,'' Obama said, adding, ''A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability.''

While Obama said ''It's important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding,'' he made no mention of any Pakistani military role in the operation. US officials in background briefing made it clear that no country, much less Pakistan, was informed of the operation.

In fact, there was not even a word of thanks for Pakistan. Instead, Obama said: ''Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al-Qaida and its affiliates.''

The finger of suspicion is now pointing squarely at the Pakistani military and intelligence for sheltering and protecting Osama bin Laden before US forces hunted him down and put a bullet in his head in the wee hours of Sunday. The coordinates of the action and sequence of events indicate that the al-Qaida fugitive may have been killed in an ISI safehouse.

US analysts uniformly suggested that the Pakistani security establishment's claim of a role in the operation is clearly aimed at ducking charges of its military's possible role in hiding bin Laden. ''This is hugely embarrassing for Pakistan,'' was a common refrain on US TV channels throughout the night.

In fact, top US officials have openly suggested for months that the Pakistani military establishment was hiding bin Laden. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton came closest to publicly exposing Pakistan's role last May when she accused some government officials there of harboring Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar.

''I am not saying they are at the highest level...but I believe somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida and where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Taliban are,'' Clinton said on May 10 last year, adding, ''We expect more cooperation (from Pakistan) to help us bring to justice capture or kill those who brought us 9/11.''

Taken together with President Obama's pointed reference to President Zardari and leaving out any mention of Pakistani forces' involvement, it would seem that Washington believes that Pakistan's military intelligence establishment, including the ISI, was sheltering bin Laden. The ISI was accused as recently as last week by the top US military official Admiral Mike Mullen of having terrorist links, and named as a terrorist support entity by US officials, according to the Guantanamo cables.

Lending credence to the charges is the fact that US forces homed in on bin Laden in Abbottabad, which is a cantonment just 50 kms from Islamabad, where the Pakistani military has a strong presence. The place where bin Laden was killed is only kilometers from the Kakul military academy, where many Pakistani military elites, including some of its ISI cadres, graduate from.

While US officials are tightlipped about precise details, analysts are trying to figure out whether the compound that sheltered bin Laden was an ISI safehouse. There is also speculation as to whether Hillary Clinton was referring to this when she made her pointed remarks last May.

US officials have said for years that they believed bin Laden escaped to Pakistan after the American bombing campaign in Afghanistan. But Pakistani officials, including its former military ruler Pervez Musharraf, insisted that he was in Afghanistan, even as Afghan officials would angrily refute it and say he is in Pakistan. In the end, the Americans and Afghans were right on the money.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_brotherhood_bin_laden




CAIRO – Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, a conservative organization with links around the Islamic world, has condemned the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces as an "assassination."

The Brotherhood, which seeks the establishment of a state run according to Islamic principles through peaceful means, is Egypt's most powerful and organized political movement.

The statement Monday said the group "is against violence in general, against assassinations and in favor of fair trials."

Bin Laden and his jihadist allies, however, have repeatedly condemned the Brotherhood's more moderate approach and willingness to work within the system.

The Muslim Brotherhood will be competing for half of Egypt's parliamentary seats in September's elections.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 09:27:41 AM »
ccp,

You talking about Bush 41, 43 or both?

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:58:07 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/04/us/the-1992-elections-news-analysis-the-economy-s-casualty.html

THE 1992 ELECTIONS: NEWS ANALYSIS; The Economy's Casualty

By R. W. APPLE Jr
Published: November 04, 1992

In the end it was the faltering economy, which had bedeviled him all year, that did George Bush in.

From the New Hampshire primary in February, through the party conventions this summer, to the start of the general-election campaign on Labor Day, public opinion held remarkably steady: three-quarters of the American people, according to New York Times/CBS News polls, disapproved of the way the President was handling the economy.

Mr. Bush failed to change their minds with his furious closing onslaught against Bill Clinton's character. More than 7 voters in 10 said in interviews as they left their polling places yesterday that they considered the economy not so good or poor, and a big majority opted for giving the Arkansas Governor a chance to turn it around. Though many had doubts about a man untried on the national stage, they had lost faith in Mr. Bush's ability to do the job, and they found Ross Perot too much of a gamble.
--------Snip--

It was not just the hard economic statistics that dogged the President, not just the shuttered shops and lost jobs from Alameda, Calif., to Zanesville, Ohio, that cost him dear. It was also a pervasive if less quantifiable sense of economic foreboding, a fear that the United States was losing its manufacturing base and economic leadership to Germany and Japan.


The current recession had an extra political cost that earlier ones did not, because it hit not only manual laborers but also large numbers of white-collar, and highly skilled, highly paid blue-collar workers who suspected that their jobs were gone forever.

If there was a leitmotif to the 1992 campaign, it was the comment heard on a thousand doorsteps and a hundred bar stools: "I'm worried my kids will never have it as good as I do."

Such economic worries easily overcame the social concerns that had dominated most of the last six Presidential elections, all but one of them won by the Republicans. Concern about jobs -- and about the closely allied subjects of health care and education -- trumped racial tensions, fears about crime and even fervent appeals to patriotism.

That was especially true among the urban, socially conservative, largely Catholic Democrats who have been voting for Republican Presidential candidates in recent decades -- a pivotal block this year. Exit polling by Voter Research and Surveys, a consortium of the leading television networks, showed that half the Democrats who voted for Ronald Reagan and half those who backed Mr. Bush four years ago came back to Mr. Clinton in yesterday's balloting.

So George Bush suffered the fate of William Howard Taft and Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter, the only other elected Presidents in this century to be turned out of the Oval Office.

In one important sense, his defeat was the most ignominious of all, because he had held such a commanding position, with a stratospheric 88 percent approval rating in March of last year, and allowed it to disintegrate so quickly.

"He was the king of the mountain after the Persian Gulf War," said J. Robinson West, a Republican who served in both the Ford and Reagan Administrations. "He could have achieved almost anything. He was so popular that if he had drawn up a program, gone to Capitol Hill and battled for it, Congress would not have dared defy him. But he didn't do anything at all."

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:46:57 AM »
"Something Bush tried and failed to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

Senior White House officials said early Monday that the trail that led to Osama bin Laden began before 9/11, before the terror attacks that brought bin Laden to prominence. The trail warmed up last fall, when it discovered an elaborate compound in Pakistan.
 
"From the time that we first recognized bin Laden as a threat, the U.S. gathered information on people in bin Laden's circle, including his personal couriers," a senior official in the Obama administration said in a background briefing from the White House.
 
After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, "detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden." (Detainees, like in the Gitmo facility Obama was going to close within the first year of his presidency? Were these detainees waterboarded?-GM)In 2007, the U.S. learned the man's name.
 
In 2009, "we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. They were very careful, reinforcing belief we were on the right track."
 
In August 2010, "we found their home in Abbottabad," not in a cave, not right along the Afghanistan border, but in an affluent suburb less than 40 miles from the capital.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:37:00 AM »
So, from memory, Bush 41 had a national 90% polling the year before he lost re-election to Clinton, yes?

19632
Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:35:21 AM »
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-31/news/mn-457_1_gulf-war

THE GULF WAR: The Home Front : Poll: High Marks for Bush


January 31, 1991


Two weeks into the Persian Gulf War, Californians overwhelmingly approve of President Bush's decision to attack Iraq and of his handling of the crisis in the Middle East, A NEW LOS ANGELES TIMES POLL FOUND. The poll also revealed that 80% of those surveyed across the state give high marks to Bush's performance as president, which is in line with a nationwide survey conducted shortly after the fighting began. Surprisingly, there were no regional differences reflected in the survey, with 70% of those surveyed in both Los Angeles and San Francisco, for example, agreeing with the President's decision to go to war. Only 44% of blacks agreed with Bush's decision to launch hostilities, compared with 80% of whites.

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Politics & Religion / Islamic pandering fail
« on: May 02, 2011, 07:07:46 AM »
http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME.XEF33040.html

BIN LADEN: AL AZHAR, SEA BURIAL IS A SIN

02 May , 13:01

 

(ANSAmed) - CAIRO, MAY 2 - The body of Osama bin Laden must be buried in the ground, and throwing it into the sea would be a 'sin', said Mahmoud Ashour of the Al Azhar Academy of Islamic Research, the most prestigious Sunni educational institute, while speaking to ANSA.
 
The Al Azhar official rejected the idea of sea burial of the Al Qaida leader for "trivial motives", explaining that even when someone drowns, the body must be searched for in order to be able to "bury it in the ground". "They should bury it in the ground without putting anything on the grave," explained Ashour, responding to a question about whether Osama bin Laden's burial could become a sort of pilgrimage site. (ANSAmed).
 

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Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:52:37 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

Senior White House officials said early Monday that the trail that led to Osama bin Laden began before 9/11, before the terror attacks that brought bin Laden to prominence. The trail warmed up last fall, when it discovered an elaborate compound in Pakistan.
 
"From the time that we first recognized bin Laden as a threat, the U.S. gathered information on people in bin Laden's circle, including his personal couriers," a senior official in the Obama administration said in a background briefing from the White House.
 
After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, "detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden." (Detainees, like in the Gitmo facility Obama was going to close within the first year of his presidency? Were these detainees waterboarded?-GM)
In 2007, the U.S. learned the man's name.
 
In 2009, "we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. They were very careful, reinforcing belief we were on the right track."
 
In August 2010, "we found their home in Abbottabad," not in a cave, not right along the Afghanistan border, but in an affluent suburb less than 40 miles from the capital.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:40:02 AM »
So much for the Obama is soft on terrorists mantra.

Yes, his willingness to adopt Bush's policies after running against them as a candidate was welcome indeed.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan
« on: May 02, 2011, 05:26:54 AM »
And Pakistan is shocked, SHOCKED, to find out OBL was hiding in Pakistan.   :roll:

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Politics & Religion / Re: Bin Laden dead?
« on: May 01, 2011, 08:44:26 PM »
Looks like SpecOps did get him. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Nuke hellstorm if Laden caught or killed'

"Al Qaeda terrorists have threatened to unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" on the West if their leader and world's most wanted terrorist Osama bin Laden is nabbed.  ..."

If they had the chance, they'd nuke us no matter Bin Laden's status.

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Politics & Religion / Bin Laden dead
« on: May 01, 2011, 08:03:43 PM »
Fingers crossed!!!!!

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Politics & Religion / The sounds of silence
« on: May 01, 2011, 07:05:32 PM »
https://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-arab-spring-israel-and-the-silence-of-the-academy/34772

The ‘Arab Spring,’ Israel and the Silence of the Academy

May 1, 2011, 11:46 am

By Jacques Berlinerblau



The Arab world is experiencing a series of convulsions resulting in the quotidian slaughter of citizens in Syria, Yemen, Bahrain, Libya and elsewhere. Yet the reaction on American college campuses is comparatively muted.
 
Muted compared to what, you ask? Compared to the tragic shedding of one life in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
 
Having directed Jewish Studies programs in universities for most of my career I can assure you of this: if Israel were to inflict the type of violence on Palestinians that Arab regimes (and Iranian ones) casually inflict on their own dissenting populations in the course of one day, many colleges across America would be virtually shut down.
 
Remember the “Jenin Massacre”? I do. The university where I taught at the time came to a near complete standstill because of the alleged Zionist atrocities committed in the West Bank.
 
During those days of rage I had the misfortune of wandering into a “teach in.” That gathering featured an overheated array of faculty members and “community activists” lecturing at an audience of students (and whether the students had been “urged” or forced to attend by their professors was subsequently a source of unresolved controversy).
 
Needless to say, the conversation on stage did not adhere to academic standards of disinterested inquiry, sober assessment, or rigorous adherence to the facts. I took up the microphone to point that out and was lustily booed and insulted by colleagues (many of whom had been nothing but friendly prior and, strangely enough, after as well). I was eventually escorted out of the auditorium by campus security for my own safety.
 
That was just the beginning. Appeals were made for faculty to integrate the theme of Israeli aggression into their class lectures. As such, everyone from the professor of evolutionary Biology to the specialist in Portuguese literature was asked to link his or her subject matter to the theme of Zionist aggression. Astonishingly, many of them were able to do so.
 
Efforts to psychologically, and even physically, immobilize the campus proceeded apace. “Zionist sympathizers,” were called out, lectures were disrupted, divestment initiatives were pursued, “die ins” were staged—these were the reflexive responses to highly complex problems in the Mideast in April of 2002.
 
Ditto for Israel’s wars with Hezballah and Hamas.
 
I am struck, however, by the relative calm on American campuses as each day brings forth fresh and repulsive evidence of civilian massacres in the Arab world. No demonstrations. No “teach-ins.” No “die-ins.” And there is less calling out of professors who support(ed) these regimes than I would ever have imagined possible.
 
This is not to say that faculty and students are unconcerned. It’s more as if they are speechless, unworded. They are not protesting, as much as they are trying to puzzle this catastrophe through (and let me be the first to say that this is precisely what people on college campuses should be doing).
 
Their speechlessness confirms a truism: the old dominant paradigm for explaining Mideast dysfunction is not working. It is hard to understand what the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has to do with Muammar el-Qaddafi strafing his own citizens or Bashar Assad unleashing his goons on protesters (though whether all of those protesters are offering more democratic alternatives is a conversation I will leave for another day).

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Politics & Religion / The sublime beauty of islamic culture
« on: May 01, 2011, 06:57:12 PM »
Must be some of that "Islam, with its unique religious ontology" I've been told about.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/28/60minutes/main20058368_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

CBS News)  Logan: And I'm screaming, thinking if I scream, if they know, they're gonna stop, you know. Someone's gonna stop them. Or they're gonna stop themselves. Because this is wrong. And it was the opposite. Because the more I screamed, it turned them into a frenzy.

Someone in the crowd shouted that she was an Israeli, a Jew. Neither is true. But, to the mob, it was a match to gasoline. The savage assault turned into a murderous fury.


Logan: I have one arm on Ray. I've lost the fixer, I've lost the drivers. I've lost everybody except him. And I feel them tearing at my clothing. I think my shirt, my sweater was torn off completely. My shirt was around my neck. I felt the moment that my bra tore. They tore the metal clips of my bra. They tore those open. And I felt that because the air, I felt the air on my chest, on my skin. And I felt them tear out, they literally just tore my pants to shreds. And then I felt my underwear go. And I remember looking up, when my clothes gave way, I remember looking up and seeing them taking pictures with their cell phones, the flashes of their cell phone cameras.


Pelley: Ray reported that he found himself with the sleeve of your jacket in his hand. It had been completely ripped from the rest of the jacket.


Logan: I felt at that moment that Ray was my only hope of survival. You know, he was looking at me and I could see his face and we had a sea of people between us, obviously tearing at both of us, beating us. I didn't even know that they were beating me with flagpoles and sticks and things, because I couldn't even feel that. Because I think of the sexual assault, was all I could feel, was their hands raping me over and over and over again.


Pelley: Raping you with their hands?


Logan: Yeah.


Pelley: Nonstop. During this whole time?


Logan: From the front, from the back. And I didn't know if I could hold onto Ray. I'm holding on to him. I didn't wanna let go of him. I thought I was gonna die if I lost hold of him.


But in that moment Ray, a former special forces soldier, was torn away.


Logan: When I lost Ray, I thought that was the end. It was like all the adrenaline left my body. 'Cause I knew in his face when he lost me, he thought I was gonna die. They were tearing my body in every direction at this point, tearing my muscles. And they were trying to tear off chunks of my scalp, they had my head in different directions.


Pelley: Pulling at your hair?


Logan: Oh yeah, not trying to pull out my hair, holding big wads of it, literally trying to tear my scalp off my skull. And I thought, when I thought I am going to die here, my next thought was I can't believe I just let them kill me, that that was as much fight as I had. That I just gave in and I gave up on my children so easily, how could you do that?


Pelley: Your daughter and your son are one and two years old?


Logan: I had to fight for them. And that's when I said, "Okay, it's about staying alive now. I have to just surrender to the sexual assault. What more can they do now? They're inside you everywhere." So the only thing to fight for, left to fight for, was my life.

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Politics & Religion / How to end violent jihad
« on: May 01, 2011, 01:30:28 PM »

19642
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/24/magazine/manager-square-in-the-muslim-city-of-bethlehem.html?pagewanted=9&src=pm


I inquire about the Christians. I try to avoid direct questions, but I ask Freij about the Christians' future prospects in a Muslim world. Are there any similarities between the endangered Copt minority in Egypt and Bethlehem's Christians? "None whatsoever," he replies. He insists that the Christian community is thriving and faces no threats. "Still, many Christians are leaving," he adds upon reflection, confirming my cabdriver's observation.

I know the story well. Christians are nervous. Whether or not Freij decides to run, it is quite possible a Muslim will become the next Mayor. This does not worry the Christians as much as the fact that Hamas and Islamic fundamentalist elements will inevitably make life difficult for them as a minority. Bethlehem University, which is partly supported by the Vatican, has been asked to build a place for prayer to accommodate Muslim students. Koranic words have been scribbled on church walls. A few years ago, a graffito in Beit Zahur, nearby, proclaimed, "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people." To illustrate the extent of Christian fears, a conservative Israeli essayist told me that since the announcement of the redeployment of Israeli soldiers from Palestinian territories, more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of them Christian, have applied for Israeli citizenship.
The writing on the wall is clear. There are Christian mothers who breathe easily once their children are safely abroad. Young Christian couples claim they cannot find adequate housing in Bethlehem and therefore leave. There are numerous Orthodox Palestinian communities in South America. Many Christians apply to emigrate.

I want to ask Freij whether a latter-day Joseph and Mary would come to Bethlehem or whether they would flee to South America instead. I know what he would say.

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Politics & Religion / Re: US Foreign Policy
« on: May 01, 2011, 09:02:47 AM »
"But, I think you could replace the word Pak and replace it with any one of many countries, the resentment and hatred of America because of our unwavering association with Israel is the same."

They hate us because we are disgusting kafirs. We don't beat our women into burkas, we have freedom instead on being "slaves of allah" and we eat pork. Israel is the small satan, we are the great satan. They will not be content until the world bows before islam.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Look at Syria
« on: May 01, 2011, 08:55:40 AM »
I don't think the current offensive against Israel is accidental.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-24-09-07-02

DARAA, Syria (AP) -- The Syrian government pledged Thursday to consider lifting draconian restrictions on political freedom and civil liberties in an attempt to quell a week-long uprising that protesters say has left dozens fatally shot by security forces.

Losing Syria would be very damaging to Iran, so you'll see an offensive against Israel to distract from the protests. Of course, I doubt the chinless one will hesitate to play the Hama card, if needed.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/24/syria-cracks-down-on-protesters-37-dead/

Hama card, now in play.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria-protests-20110501,0,2884901.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fworld+%28L.A.+Times+-+World+News%29

Syrian forces told to use 'any means necessary' to crush rebellion in Dara
A Syrian military source says President Bashar Assad's security forces have been ordered to quell the uprising in Dara 'even if this means that the city is to be burned down.' Tanks destroy a mosque, witnesses say, and at least four people are killed.

I'm sure Obama will issue a very stern statement.

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Politics & Religion / Re: US Foreign Policy
« on: May 01, 2011, 08:34:03 AM »
So, if we officially abandoned Israel tomorrow, what happens then, JDN?

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: April 30, 2011, 05:01:38 PM »
You'd have to have a China policy first. I don't think "PLeeeeeeeeeeze keep buying our debt!!!!!" counts as a policy.

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Politics & Religion / Love letters
« on: April 30, 2011, 02:44:24 PM »
http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/15/jon-huntsmans-love-letters/2/

Don't click if you are diabetic or prone to projectile vomiting.

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Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential
« on: April 30, 2011, 02:18:18 PM »
Huntsman should challenge Obama for the primary then.

"Bootlicking America back to greatness!" Huntsman-2012

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Politics & Religion / America’s Fiscal High Noon
« on: April 30, 2011, 01:05:22 PM »
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/americas-fiscal-high-noon/?singlepage=true


America’s Fiscal High Noon

Beyond today's myriad fiscal woes, we’re just months away from a potential economic Pearl Harbor, and yet all we hear from Obama is happy talk.

April 29, 2011 - by Mary Claire Kendall

Right now, it’s 1941 all over again.
 
We’re just months away from another Pearl Harbor — potentially — and all we hear from President Barack Obama and company, as Governor Haley Barbour (R-MS) puts it, is “happy talk.”
 
According to the unclassified 2009 report “Economic Warfare: Risks and Responses” by financial analyst Kevin D. Freeman, what’s referred to as “Bear Raid II” — phase III of an economic terrorist attack against the United States — is poised to fatally hit the U.S. Treasury and the U.S. dollar, causing the collapse of America’s economy.
 
It was a threat former Secretary of State James A. Baker III underscored on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS on April 10, noting if the dollar was replaced as the global reserve currency, it would be catastrophic for America.
 
Yet red flags galore signal that the train has already left the station.
 
Three weeks ago, George Soros hosted his Bretton Woods II summit, “CRISIS and RENEWAL: International Political Economy at the Crossroads,” focused on reordering the world’s financial architecture. At the same time, our political leaders were haggling over fiscal peanuts — Obama proudly announcing at the 11th hour, crisis averted: the Washington Monument would remain open after all.
 
Three weeks earlier, Obama began bombing Libya. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back energy-wise, sending gas prices soaring, OPEC countries reaping rich rewards. It’s right out of the economic terrorism playbook Freeman writes about.  But wiser heads are beginning to get it. As the Financial Times reports, “The western allies are in a fine Libyan pickle. The real mission of the British and French military ‘advisers’ being dispatched to the rebel camp is to explore what the west might do to get out of it.”
 
Then, just as Americans were wrapping up their taxes, BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South America) met in China, and announced that, it would, in fact, like to displace the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency.
 
At the same time, the International Monetary Fund declared, as reported in Financial Times, “The US lacks a ‘credible strategy’ to stabilize its mounting public debt posing a small but significant risk of a new global economic crisis….”
 
Then, Standard & Poor’s issued its “stark warning” regarding America’s debt on Tax Day, sending stocks plunging. While maintaining our triple-A rating, for the first time since it began rating U.S. debt — the same year as the Pearl Harbor attack — S&P lowered its outlook from “stable” to “negative,” threatening a downgrade within two years. 

And now the dollar has slid to its lowest level in three years given disappointing growth, higher inflation, and the Fed’s cheap money.
 
It’s almost a perfectly executed set-up for this potential economic Pearl Harbor.
 
Wake up, America! It’s no longer OK to say, let’s just issue ourselves another credit card and take some happy pills — or happy spirits — and everything will be fine.
 
Rather, as Republican and Democratic legislators alike ponder the debt ceiling vote, hurtling down the road at a dizzying pace, it’s critical that they admit and confront the reality that, unless we sober up vis-à-vis deficit spending, the party is over.

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