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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 22, 2008, 06:04:39 PM »
**After having been throughly mislead by the MSM and the "peace" movement, i'd cite the misreporting of the Tet offensive as a perfect example, the public opinion was affected by the psyops. It's the same steady drumbeat of doom that was tried to undercut this war. Do you really think the public would have supported cutting off aid to South Vietnam if they knew the horrors that would follow?**


Sadly, yes, I do think the public would have still supported cutting off aid to South Vietnam.  Nobody here cared/cares about the "masses of brown people" (your words) or black people (see Darfur).

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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 22, 2008, 05:43:31 PM »
Admiral Fallon is truly a diamond in the rough; you might remember he was an advocate of a speedier withdrawal of
troops from Iraq in contrast to Bush and General Petraeus and that Admiral Fallon finally resigned in protest over the Bush's Iran policy?  I fully agree, BO would do well to listen to his advice.  Admiral Fallon is a man of experience and an individual willing to stand up and express an opinion against the norm.

Marc, perhaps I don't fully understand your point opening point.  Yes, our country is a democracy, a republic, and our cornerstone is the Bill of Rights; we are truly blessed.  Therefore of course we can say whatever we want to say; the Supreme Court has held that the right of free speech is an basic right and rarely can it be abridged. 

Two people, two parties can disagree.  Vietnam War protesters truly thought they were doing the right thing; maybe they were, maybe they weren't, but they changed history.   Some conservatives wanted to invade North Vietnam and bring China into the fight.  Again, maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong.  But their voice was drowned out by the majority - the people who opposed the war in Vietnam.  In a democracy as ours people are entitled, they are encouraged to speak out and express their opinion.  And there is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion or criticism diametrically opposed to our President, our Congress, or our Military's thoughts. They exist to serve the American people.  Perhaps these individuals are "despicable" only because you disagree with them???  However, in contrast to your opinion, I think they cannot and should not be held accountable for expressing their right to free speech.  It the end, I truly believe it is what has made our country special and unique.  Try "free speech" in China, N. Korea, Russia........

I do think lies are wrong, distortions are subjective, hatred of Bush is wrong (I don't agree with him, but like Bush, I have many conservative friends with whom I disagree and yet I still respect.  Further he is our President; the Office as well deserves respect)
and lust for power - well that has been going on by politicians and individuals for hundreds of years; hard to stop.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 22, 2008, 12:44:15 PM »
**A bit of historical perspective on how the dems are the best friends are enemies could ever ask for.**

Al-Qaeda's No. 2 Applauds Democrat War Bill
By Amanda B. Carpenter (more by this author)
Human Events
Posted 05/08/2007 ET
Updated 05/08/2007 ET

Over the weekend, the second-highest ranking member of al Qaeda called Democrat-led initiatives to end the war symbols of American defeat in Iraq.

In a 67-minute interview released on May 5, known terrorist Shaykh Ayman al-Zawahiri said legislation to tie war funding with a timetable for withdrawal, “reflects American failure and frustration.”

Last week, President Bush vetoed a bill delivered to him from the Democrat Congress that did this. Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D.-Calif.) House has since failed to overturn his veto and now negotiations to proceed appear to be in a stalemate.

Zawahiri lamented that “this bill will deprive us of the opportunity to destroy the American forces which we have caught in this historic trap” but said it proved jihad “is moving from the stage of defeat of the Crusader invaders and their traitorous underlings to the stage of consolidating Mujahid Islamic Emirate.”

Zawahiri said the withdrawal legislation helped to “raise the banner of Jihad as it makes its way through a rugged path of sacrifice.”

A senior government official said it was “stunning” that Zawahiri was watching Congress so closely.

The video was likely encouraged by comments from Democrat leadership. In an April 19 press conference Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) told media, “This war is lost.”

Two days later, in a statement issued from the Islamic State of Iraq, al Qaeda used Reid’s declaration as evidence of their success. “In the past few days it became clear to every watcher and observer the magnitude of damage that hits the American administration and the defeated declarations of its leaders about the situation in the field in Iraq,” it said. “A serious statement came from ‘Harry Reid’ the Democrat majority leader in the Congress who said: "'the war is in Iraq is hopeless and that the situation in Iraq is similar to Vietnam War.'”

The Vietnam War was ended with the 1973 Foreign Assistance Act that cut funding for operations in the region. The end effect of the Foreign Assistance Act was best captured in a photograph taken by Hubert Van Es that showed hundreds of Vietnamese civilians queuing up for the last American helicopter out of Saigon. Soon, without American troops or any resources to protect the Vietnamese, the Communists took over South Vietnam and millions were killed by the Khmer Rouge communist regime in the power vacuum left by American withdrawal.

Similar actions could be taken by al Qaeda forces, who have failed to hold territory in Iraq and Afghanistan or disrupt American-led political processes there, should U.S. troops withdraw from the region.

Throughout the 2004 presidential election, Democrat candidate Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) was also quoted by name in communications from Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri.


Miss Carpenter is congressional correspondent & assistant editor for HUMAN EVENTS. She is the author of "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy's Dossier on Hillary Rodham Clinton," published by Regnery (a HUMAN EVENTS sister company).

As we appropriately leave it to the people/gov't of Iraq to decide their fate, I think one should remember that so too was the Vietnam War left to the people.  The American people voted overwhelmingly to get out of Vietnam.  It was democracy in action.  Of course we have a right to speak and to disagree with policy - that's what people do in a democracy.

As for the Khmer Rouge reference, I am a bit confused.  The Khmer Rouge were in Cambodia, not Vietnam.  They never killed Vietnamese and no "power vacuum" was left in Cambodia since we had no power in Cambodia.  No doubt the Khmer Rouge were terrible; but note it was the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (the same army we fought) in 1979 who attacked and destroyed the Khmer Rouge; let's be fair; it was the Vietnamese were the saviors of Cambodia, not the U.S.


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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 22, 2008, 09:56:42 AM »
Marc,

Frankly, I have not read it so clearly put that our longstanding and official policy was that if the people/gov't of Iraq says that we should go, then we should go.  That is reassuring.

As for McCain, he does raise some good points.  And, I think he definitely has more experience in foreign matters especially as it relates to military actions.  But I think America is tired; like Vietnam, they simply want out albeit with some honor.

As for translations, I have done a little, and have a friend who is an expert (Caucasian guy (PhD. Yale) doing Chinese and Japanese) doing mostly legal work.  He finds the nuances frustrating/challenging and needs a rest every thirty minutes during depositions because he is exhausted concentrating so much.  That being said, this subject matter was not scientific or legal; rather it was straightforward and the German Magazine has confirmed that they will stand by their article and translation.  I think the "spin" came after.

And yes, I agree the Sunnis hope/pray we remain.  Yet I find it odd, a few years ago the Sunnis were our enemies.  Now of course we worry about the Shia.  Sometimes I think we replaced one bad apple with another.  I am not sure which apple is more rotten.  I always thought there was some truth to the comment, "sure he's a dictator, but he's our dictator."  I worry that in 5-10 years the Shia will only be worse and Iraq in general will suffer more than they ever did before.

james

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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 22, 2008, 06:50:19 AM »
Where do you get the idea that the Iraqis clearly and unequivocally want us out?

Ahhhh I think it was the Iraqi Parliament over one year ago that clearly stated they
wanted a timetable for withdrawal - the sooner the better.  And of course this
past week, Maliki jumped on board and clearly (before the spin) stated he
wanted a timetable for our withdrawl within the next two years.  Elections are
in the fall, the people of Iraqi want our withdrawal; they simply want "termination
of foreign presence on Iraqi lands and to restore full sovereignty".  Either Maliki
gets on board or he might be out.  Similar to President Johnson; he too may finally bow
to the people and leave office.

It's not the U.S. commander's on the ground's decision; they don't get a vote.  The
vote belongs to the Iraqi people.  It's their country; we are merely a visitor.  Like the
analogy I gave above, visitors are great, but they can overstay their welcome.  Sometimes,
they need to be sent packing.

McCain never seems to address the issue of the Iraqi people's desire.  His only concern
seems to be with the U.S. commander's opinion and us saving face.  But it is the people's
choice, we finally got out of Vietnam (what a mess) because the people demanded it.
Now it seems the American people and the Iraqi people are demanding the same.

My question below was do you think McCain will comply if the Iraqi government demands
a short term withdrawal plan regardless of U.S. commander's opinion on the ground?

Whose country is it?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq
« on: July 21, 2008, 08:08:35 AM »
I'm curious, since Iraq seems to clearly and unequivocally wants us out, be it
14 months or 16 months (BO's timetable)  and that day comes and Iraq's government
says, "please leave, begin now to withdraw all your troops immediately",
however the U.S. commander's on the ground say this is a big mistake,
do we immediately obey the Iraqi government and leave? 

McCain, who might be President at that time, seems to give credence to the opinion of the
U.S. commander's on the ground, however it seems to me that it is the Iraqi's country, their choice
as to when we leave - whether we are ready or not or whether we think it is
appropriate is not relevant; it's their country - their sole decision.

I don't get the debate.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: July 20, 2008, 03:12:50 PM »
Assuming we entered the Iraq war to free the Iraqi people from a dictatorship and establish democracy
for the people of Iraq, then I guess we all agree Obama's foreign policy plan.  It also is the will
of the Iraqi people.

I am sure we all read this weekend how Nouri Maliki "praised the Democratic presidential candidate's
plan for withdrawing U.S. troops over a 16 month period."  Embracing Obama's plan, he said, "that,
we think, would the right time frame for a withdrawal."  Further, he said that the best time
for withdrawal would be, "as soon as possible".   He further said, "...the people and the government
are in general agreement: The tenure of the colalition troops in Iraq should be limited."

Quite clear; even the Iraqi's want us out ASAP.  And even the Iraqi's want us out in 16 months or
less.  We've overstayed our welcome.  It's like having guests; I love to have guests; I tell them please stay for
a week or two, but after a month or so I am looking for a way to kick them out.  They are no longer welcome.

Now it's odd, McCain believes "our withdrawal must be conditioned on the opinion of the U.S. commander's
on the ground as to when they think it is the right time".  Frankly, I don't get it.  We came, we ousted the dictator,
and we established elections.  The freely elected government now wants us out - period, regardless
of what the U.S. commander's on the ground want.  Iraq wants us to leave; is that clear enough?  And who cares
what the U.S. commander's on the ground want?  The country and the decisions belong to the Iraqi's not the U.S.

It's 100% the Iraqi's choice right?  Even if they want us 100% out, ASAP, no remaining bases, etc. it's THEIR 100% choice, right?   Frankly, while we can advise, we don't get a vote on the matter.  It's their country.  Not ours - we are guests.  And our welcome is over.  It's really quite simple; it is time to get out and as to whether we are ready or not doesn't matter.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: July 20, 2008, 08:51:21 AM »
Ahhh GM, this is getting fun.

Taking in order:

1.  Don't get your first point regarding treatment of GI's (it was bad) in relationship to my point about targeting a military target.  My point was that the Japanese didn't target civilians like the USA did.

2. "Masses of brown people" (I haven't heard that in a while) "in mass graves don't bother the left..."  actually it does, but at that point, the war was over - we had our butts kicked.  As for "mass graves" what do you think Napalm does?  Or fire bombing?  Or nuclear war?  It leaves mass graves of civilians.

3. Yep, war is brutal; no disagreement there.  A better option?  Find someone smarter than me.  But I think it was/is wrong to focus on killing civilians like America did through fire bombing and nuclear.  Why not stick to the military targets?  It's a little more humane.

4. "choose between dead enemy civilians and dead US Troops, I'd choose for dead enemy civilians.   I make no apologies if that's the only choice."  I guess this is the main difference between you and I.  I mean why not kill the woman and children in Iraq on sight if it saved a few American soldiers?  Heck, by your definition if it helps the war effort, maybe we should target woman and children if it saves a American lives.  Do anything to win, huh?  If we lost WWII who do you think would have been on trial as war criminals.  We are lucky, we either win and act noble, or we lose (Vietnam) and run fast.

5. We rebuilt German and Japan and western Europe...  Hmmm, and you think we did that only out of love and kindness???  Please... We, the USA needed the deterrence against Russia.  Also, we needed trading partners; who was left?  And we needed military bases to protect the US.  We never gave a hoot about Japan's defense; it was mostly for our benefit to stop Communism.  I mean look at Japan; if it wasn't for our demanding (spoils of war?) huge property worth billions of dollars in Japan for our military bases right after WWII we would have been kicked out a long time ago.  Would you believe it; Japan even pays us billions of dollars to keep our troops there - we are sort of like mercenaries.  And this was all done from agreements enforced upon them after the war 50+ years ago.  And our troops still can't keep their pants on off base.  If the Japanese people voted today, we would be sent packing. 

   As for my "noble" comment, what would America do?  Would WE allow a foreign power to station troops on our property?  Ha, we don't even allow them in our hemisphere.  We like two sets of rules, one for us and one for everyone else.  Russia is recently upset we are planning a missile system in their backyard, but we say, "don't worry...." but if they tried to do that in Mexico we would send troops to stop them if necessary.  Again, two sets of "convenient" rules.  Again, a benefit of being the biggest kid in the sandbox, but that doesn't make it right.

6. Japanese American Citizens in Prison camps.  Actually, a lot of Democrats and Republicans supported putting the Japanese in prison camps.   But the German's were safe in America despite all their atrocities during the war.  Now that's true racism.  And yes, other countries have racism too, they just don't deny it or ignore it like we do and act noble about it.  It's the hypocrisy I hate.

7.  "Too old" That sounds like blatant ageism to me".  I love old people, but Yep, I think he is too old to be our President.  And yep, it is blatant ageism.  IBM wouldn't hire him to be their president; he's too old.   Microsoft wouldn't hire him to be their president, he's told old....... Heck, no major USA or International Company or Consulting firm would hire him to be their president because he is too old.  Simply put, he's past his prime for the job.  And I can't think of a job that is more important.  We need someone at their best.  So why would America hire him to be our President?



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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: July 20, 2008, 07:53:59 AM »
***Again, as for CCP, you got to love it; Obama as President, Hilary as the Vice President, and
Bill (Mr. President) as the VP's wife.  Would you want to be President???***

It will certainly keep Rush Limbaugh rolling in dough.

I would like to have the qualities to be President.  But I don't.  First and foremost I like my sleep. 

I have a feeling BO is going to choose Colin Powell as his running mate.  I think Powell would do it from what I read.  



Actually CCP I didn't mean it personally.  What I meant was I don't think anyone would want to be President with Hilary as VP and worse, her husband being a former President, lurking around in the background and stealing the show.

As for Colin Powell, I think he is an outstanding individual, but I would be very surprised if Obama chose a black running mate.  Our country is not there yet; a black President and a black VP would never win.  But Powell is great, heck, if McCain chose Powell for VP that is a good reason to vote for McCain.

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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: July 19, 2008, 10:23:55 PM »
JDN,

Before you defend Imperial Japan, you might want to read up on the "Rape of Nanjing/Nanking".

You are right.

But, if you want to bring the subject up, Pearl Harbor was an attack on a Naval Base...a military
operation against military personnel.

But what was My Lai...etc..............And from what I heard from my slightly older friends,
who did serve in Vietnam, we didn't follow the Geneva Convention....And do you really
think Naplam discriminated between troops and woman and children???

And the fire bombing of Tokyo??? 250,000 mostly women and children dead???
Were pretty good at killling woman and children.  But maybe that's just war?

And the atomic bombs, again 500,000 dead, again mostly woman and children???
There were few if any troops in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.  There was no industrial complex there.........
Just families.

Please don't act so noble.  We do what it takes to win, but we are no better than anyone
else.

Not to mention putting in prison American Citizens by the thousands whose only "crime"
was that they were of Japanese ancestry.  Odd, my Grandfather (a doctor) was a German
living in Wisconsin but he never go arrested.  Nor did my Mother.  A little bit of racism again???
America likes to blame the "other guy" especially if they are Black or Asian or Islamic or Mexican.

America likes to to take the high road, but usually (WWII Europe was different) we have
a monetary self interest, not idealism at heart.  We just like to "justify" our wars, paint the
other guy as the "bad guy" rather than calling a spade a spade.  It's more politically correct.
And it sure sells better.

As for Obama, I am not saying he is a panacea.  But McCain?  Too old, that is a big deal to me,
and frankly, if his daddy wasn't an high ranking admiral, McCain would be a nobody.  He is
an opportunist.  He dumps his wife for a younger and more important, richer (and smart) woman. 
All his life he has succeeded through using people.  Yes, he has experience, and frankly,
he is not a bad guy, but.....couldn't the Republicans do better???

But back to America.  Nothing wrong, we simply do what we need to do that being what's good for
America.  But please don't cloak it behind righteousness, goodness, and democracy.  We do it
because it benefits America.  Period.  As does everyone else; we just happen to be the biggest
and baddest kid on the block.  That doesn't always make us right.

As for CCP I take full credit; don't blame OR give credit to Obama   :-)

Again, as for CCP I agree, I don't know what in the world Obama is doing giving a major speech in Germany.
I agree, maybe he should win the election first???  By no means a given - I think it will be close.

Again, as for CCP, you got to love it; Obama as President, Hilary as the Vice President, and
Bill (Mr. President) as the VP's wife.  Would you want to be President???   :roll:




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Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena
« on: July 19, 2008, 09:30:12 AM »
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/18/gaffemaster-alert-the-pearl-harbor-bomb/

Gaffemaster Alert: The Pearl Harbor Bomb
POSTED AT 10:10 AM ON JULY 18, 2008 BY ED MORRISSEY   


Barack Obama must have gone off script again in West Lafayette, Indiana on Wednesday.  When addressing the crowd on national security, Obama mangled the attack on Pearl Harbor.  For a Hawaii native, this tops the Young Gaffer list of historical fumbles (via Dean Barnett):

But it is wonderful to be back in Indiana. In a few moments, we’ll open up the discussion. But I want to offer a few comments about some of the emerging threats that we face in the 21st century and offer some ideas about how we can face those threats.

Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.

Just to clarify: a whole lot of bombs fell on Pearl Harbor.  And the threat wasn’t the bomb, it was the empire that send massive waves of planes to drop them on our Pacific Fleet.  Those bombs fell because we didn’t adapt to the threat, and in fact we kept telling ourselves that we could talk the Japanese out of their policy of aggression and empire.  We came within a few aircraft carriers of losing the Pacific out of our willful blindness to the nature of the Japanese.

The same can be said for the “nuclear annihilation” Obama also mentions.  The threat wasn’t nuclear annihilation as such; that was part of the threat, not the entire threat itself.  The real threat came from another kind of empire, one that wanted to conquer from within as well as without — and the American Left after 1969 spent most of its time arguing that they threat didn’t really exist, that Soviet Communism wanted peaceful coexistence, and that socialism and Communism was the achievement of Utopia.  After Jimmy Carter’s disastrous cheek-kissing with Leonid Brezhnev and the invasion of Afghanistan that followed, America woke up and put adults in charge - and within a decade, the Soviet Union collapsed of its own contradictions and rot.

This gaffe goes beyond placing Auschwitz and Treblinka in western Germany or putting American troops in Poland during World War II.  It speaks to a fundamental superficiality of Obama, a man who seizes tropes and themes with little understanding of their significance or their details.   Obama reveals himself as a man who doesn’t understand threats at all, and whose instinctive responses would make them far worse.

I am not sure about this idea that I must always agree or support "America, right or wrong".  Somehow, we always justify our actions because "we are the good guys" and never even look at the opposite side's perspective. 

You said, take Japan for example.  "...we couldn't talk the Japanese out of their policy of aggression and empire."  Mind you, England had an empire, France had an "empire"; frankly, what were we doing in the Philippines?  But we never objected to their/our empires.  A little racism maybe???  Or was it a money issue like it usually is in America?  Or like a kid in the sandbox who was there first and wants to keep all the good toys...

But my real Japan question/point is that in July 1941 we placed a tight embargo on Japan's oil.  Now for example let's say someone did that to us today.  And remember, Japan has no natural resources to speak of - it is a small island dependend upon trade.  Now if someone did that to us today, how long would it last before we came out shooting?  And I bet we would justify it based upon those $%^#$% other guys placing an embargo upon our oil.   We would bomb the heck out of them and say they are the bad guys and that they started it; somehow we would justify our actions.  But fairness should work two ways.

Or we sabre rattle and vehemently criticize various Arab states for providing guns and resources to our enemies in Iraq, but wasn't it our guns and supplies that helped the Afghanistan's defeat the Russians.  Now it's OK if we provide weapons, supplies and money, against the Russians, but it's not OK if someone does the same thing against us???  Isn't there some hypocrisy there?  Now I'm not saying we shouldn't object and stop them, just don't do it on moral grounds and act like we are innocent.

I think one should try to be a little objective rather than always assume our way is the only way and always the best way.  I always hated the expressions, "America, right or wrong", or "America, love it or leave it".  Sometimes we are wrong and sometimes things need to change.  And sometimes, just because we are the biggest kid on the block, it doesn't make it right to always use force.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues
« on: July 19, 2008, 08:35:45 AM »
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301187812262475

Anchors Away!

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Journalism: Barack Obama is headed overseas, with the three network anchors trailing behind him like groupies ga-ga over a rock star. And they say that media bias is just a myth.


Obama will begin his travels Friday with a visit to Europe and continue on to the Middle East. These are not normal campaign stops for a man running for president. But Obama is no common man — at least as the media see him.
They have uncritically anointed him a savior and are eager to be in his presence as he makes his "historic" trip. NBC News anchor Brian Williams, ABC anchor Charles Gibson and CBS anchor Katie Couric will be on hand, and they'll scratch and claw each other to get that exclusive interview.
Obama's arrogance — playing president and planning to speak in front of Berlin's symbolic Brandenburg Gate — is unseemly enough. But the media fawning is a disgrace. Other than those reporters assigned to John McCain, do they even know that Obama's opponent in the fall has made not one, but three trips overseas since March?
Not only did the anchors pass on those tours, their respective networks "provided little if any coverage of any of them," according to an analysis by the Media Research Center. When McCain was in Europe and the Middle East for a week in March, the networks that will immortalize Obama's triumphant tour carried only four full stories on the trip.
"CBS did not even send a correspondent along" and offered "only one report consisting of only 31 words" over 10 seconds for "the entire week Sen. McCain was abroad," the MRC reports.
The media, which seem endlessly interested when Obama downs a hot dog or picks up a basketball, and which feel a collective tingle in their legs whenever he speaks, couldn't even limit their description of the junior senator's haircut to 31 words.
Network chiefs say they need to be with Obama on this trip to record how he performs on the world stage. That's plausible. We'll believe it, though, only if Obama commits a gaffe and the press actually does more than gloss over it.
The liberal national media are free to put all their resources into Obama coverage, encourage Americans to vote for him and ignore McCain entirely. Our Constitution gives them the liberty to do just that. What rankles us is the facade of objectivity they put up. All we're asking for is some honesty.

Maybe that is because Sen. McCain is soooooo boring???  I mean listen to him speak; even his supporters
fall asleep.  The networks are a business.  They go where the ratings will be.  Who/What does
America want to watch???  What will drive ratings?  And it isn't McCain.

And good grief, McCain is over 70 years old!  Most people retire at 65; most top investment firms
and nearly all top accounting firms have mandatory retirement at 60 - they want fresh new ideas
and energy from people at their prime.  I mean we all should love and respect our Grandfather, but ...

ps  Didn't Sen. McCain earlier criticize Obama for not going overseas and on at least two occassions didn't he taunt
Obama to do so?  I guess Obama just listened and followed his advice.  And now McCain complains that Obama
gets all the attention???  hmmm 

1813
Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: July 15, 2008, 02:28:48 PM »
I guess many so called "immigrants" might argue that in fact it's their land in the first place.
They might also argue that while a few may be "citizens" they are still not equal.

I think it's hard to support one's government when you are told that while you may
be allowed to be a citizen, all men (citizens) are not created equal.

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Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« on: July 15, 2008, 06:52:53 AM »
That is consistent with islamic theology. Loyalty to the "umma" over all others. The bitter fruit of multiculturalism.

And you are saying, it is better to keep the race/group pure?

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Politics & Religion / Re: Memorial Day
« on: May 23, 2008, 06:57:54 PM »
Crafty,

I am one of those $%^& "democrats" you talk about.  And, I am against the war in Iraq...

That said, as I went to dogbrothers.com this evening; I almost cried and my wife actually did;
what a beautiful picture to remind us of the ultimate sacrifice our soldiers have given in
this war and (as you pointed out) in previous wars.  Also, although rarely mentioned
in the news, many, thousands have been injured; they ALL should be honored.

james

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