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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1050 on: January 01, 2024, 08:25:48 AM »
"  Joe Biden won the presidency in 2020 by 44,000 votes and presumably won the Jewish vote by millions."

 :cry:

not optimistic that would change much

it is nearly impossible to change a Jewish Libs devoutness to the DNC.

 :cry:

I am heartbroken at that fact.

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1051 on: January 01, 2024, 11:13:12 AM »
"  Joe Biden won the presidency in 2020 by 44,000 votes and presumably won the Jewish vote by millions."
 :cry:
not optimistic that would change much
it is nearly impossible to change a Jewish Libs devoutness to the DNC.
 :cry:
I am heartbroken at that fact.

Voters without a party, some people and some groups are becoming disaffected with the Democratic party. That doesn't make their revulsion of Trump and Republicans go away. One friend in particular is very interested in the no labels movement.  But centrists are not all aligned with each other either.  A Biden voter is possibly lost but not to be a Trump voter.  They search for another way but political parties are hard to form and maintain. Next comes the calculation of a wasted vote and it can become a binary choice once again.

It's going to be a very strange political year.
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« Reply #1052 on: January 04, 2024, 11:05:32 AM »

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Conservatives & Antisemitic Jiu Jitsu
« Reply #1053 on: January 04, 2024, 11:35:32 AM »
This iron should indeed be struck while hot:

January 4, 2024
Beating the Anti-Semites
By J.R. Dunn

A few years ago, I was nearly shot by a local anti-Semite. I was working at my computer when there was a sharp roar and I looked up to see that a bullet hole had magically appeared in my wall a couple feet above my head. My neighbor, toying with an AR while drunk, popped a cap by accident -- or at least that was his story. This particular individual was a rabid anti-Semite who belonged to a Christian Identity cult group, was an avid reader of the Protocols and similar trash, and had a habit of setting up a desk in front of his house to harangue passersby about the grand Jewish conspiracy.

A few years earlier, I had a female acquaintance who fancied herself a writer. She was a non-citizen, an immigrant of German background. When she learned that I was working on a book about the Holocaust, she went into overdrive in an effort to get me to drop it. As events wore on, certain remarks and references fell into place, making it apparent that Daddy had been an active SS officer, that he had been assigned to one of the camps, and that, in any case, the Jews got what was coming to them. (“They were taking over the banks! Something had to be done!”) She’d hit the immovable object, and spent the next year or so trying her damndest to sabotage the book’s publication and otherwise interfere with my writing career (The heavy irony here is that many of the people she was contacting were themselves Jewish).

You can gather from this that my esteem for these types is less than zero. So you can imagine my thoughts concerning the fact that anti-Semitism is now being mainstreamed by the universities, the Democrats, and the Left in general.

The U.S. will never become a new Reich. In our 250-year history, Jews have been killed by mobs exactly twice – Leo Frank, lynched by a mob in Atlanta in 1915 for a crime committed by somebody else (a Black man who confessed on his deathbed), and Yankel Rosenbaum, murdered by a Black mob egged on by Al Sharpton and David Dinkins in Crown Heights, Brooklyn in 1991. Anti-Semitism is not an American disease (the way anti-Catholicism is). It has required the import of European leftism to bring the ancient evil of Jew-hatred into the mainstream.

Which does not mean that action should not be taken. These people don’t just disappear even after their efforts have been stymied. The shooter was arrested, but pled out to a lesser charge and received probation. He fled the neighborhood shortly afterward. The wannabe writer applied for and got American citizenship (after years of disparaging the U.S. in favor of Deutschland, Canada, and even Yugoslavia). While they’ll never take control of the country (pesthole states such as California or Michigan may be another matter), they can cause plenty of social damage and human misery, particularly since neither the authorities nor the institutions (e.g., Harvard and MIT) show any inclination to control them.

We cannot simply leave it to the Jewish community. Jews survived in the Old World largely by taking their beatings and walking away. They were so outnumbered, and their oppressors so barbaric (the Cossacks, the Cathars, the Prussians, etc.) that they were left with little choice. As a result, Jewish culture has settled for an ingrained quietism, a fatalism that has not yet been left behind even after a century and more of American life.

But the U.S. is a different place, and these are different times. It’s often said that the Jews are canaries in the coal mine, representing the first warning sign of encroaching tyranny. Anti-Semites are threats to us all, whether they ‘re from Harvard, the NAACP, or the East Pancake, Arkansas, Aryan Liberation Front.

The first step is that Jews must abandon the Left. As I’ve mentioned previously, Jews became involved with the Left largely due to historical accident. Jewish emancipation in Western Europe during the 19th century coincided with the rise of the Left. They were natural allies, European Jews looking for support from all quarters while the leftists as political outcasts were eager to recruit anyone. Supporting Jewish hopes was a small price to pay, particularly since they could be cast aside as soon as leftists gained power, which is largely what occurred. Leftists have maintained the loyalty of the Jews by hiding their true feelings.

Anti-Semitism within the American Left is largely the product of intersectionality, the concept that all aspects of leftist activism – Blacks, Latins, gays, Muslims, and whatever -- are interwoven and must be mutually supportive. All leftists must accept and support all left-wing constituencies no matter what contradictions might exist. Civil rights activists must support abortion, union members must support gun control, and gay rights activists must support the Palestinians (despite the fact that they’d one and all be given a brief flying lesson if they were to be caught out in much of the Muslim world). This is how the Left asserts itself and gains power. It’s a Third Millennial version of the Popular Front politics of the mid-20th century, in which liberals, communists, social democrats and what have you were all called to do their part in fighting the bourgeois (which, in practice, meant putting the commies in power).

It follows from this that any leftist who buys into intersectionality – which is all of them – is objectively (as any good Trotskyite would put it) an anti-Semite. You can’t duck this or contradict it. If you support the American Left, then you support Hamas, which supports annihilating Jews “from the river to the sea.” There are consequences for holding such ideas, and those consequences will be forthcoming.

The flip side of this is that no American Jew who supports his community, who values his heritage, can honestly call himself a leftist. This despite the fact that most American Jews (the ultra-orthodox excepted) were raised in liberal-left traditions. It’s a difficult thing to overturn the convictions of a lifetime, but it has to be done. As it stands, American Jews are in the ghastly position of collaborating with those out to destroy them

Conservatives need make it easier. While it’s clear that the American center right has always been open to anyone no matter what their ethnic or religious background – as we saw, for a while anyway, with the neocons -- little effort has been made at outreach (likely because conservatism up until the mid-20th century was a WASP phenomenon, and WASPs just didn’t do outreach, whether to Blacks, Jews, Italians, or – God forbid – the Irish). This is over. The remnants of the WASP ascendancy have largely declared war on MAGA populism, so we won’t be losing much by brushing aside what remains. That includes eliminating the last vestiges of anti-Semitism (which do exist, as anyone who has ever confronted a Zero Hedge comment thread is well aware). We can start by hard-pedaling the simple truth that anti-Semitism is now leftist.

We need to inform the Jewish community as to what we can offer them -- our protection, above all, assurances that we will stand by them, as Americans, against any enemies that threaten them, whether domestic or emerging from some third-world hellhole. We must also make the effort to understand Jewish concerns and considerations. The Jews have one of the longest and deepest moral traditions in the human record, much of it in writing in the form of the Talmud. It wouldn’t hurt anybody to become more familiar with it.

In this, as in much else, the Left has abandoned the moral high ground. Last week they opened up new horizons in hypocrisy and contradiction by accusing Donald Trump of familiarity with Mein Kampf after weeks of failing to let out a peep against the droves of campus punks calling for genocide against the Jews.  (Not to mention even younger ones in grammar schools.) They are vulnerable here. I’ll only add that by allying with the Jewish community, populist conservatism will dominate American politics for the rest of the century.

It’s time for American Jews to walk away, and for populist conservatives to pick up the sword of St. Michael.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/01/beating_the_antisemites.html?fbclid=IwAR1nG-3LpNjGKafiXNxKFuagEF3InGI5Xq4UeLygTZN7FV-QiimyIU34yj8

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Israeli comedian vs heckler
« Reply #1054 on: January 05, 2024, 07:54:47 AM »

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WSJ: Give Sinwar the Eichman treatment
« Reply #1055 on: January 12, 2024, 05:37:37 AM »
Give Yahya Sinwar the Eichmann Treatment
A public trial of Hamas’s leader would educate the world about its atrocities.
By Warren Kozak
Jan. 11, 2024 6:39 pm ET


Two top Palestinian commanders—Hezbollah’s Wissam Hassan Al-Tawil and Hamas’s Saleh al-Arouri—were both killed over the past two weeks in suspected Israeli airstrikes.

Hamas’s figurehead and the suspected mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack, Yahya Sinwar, is still at large, but it’s fair to assume he is high on Israel’s list of targets. After the horrific massacres that have galvanized and united the Jewish world, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called Mr. Sinwar a “dead man walking.”

Once found, many expect Israel to dispatch Mr. Sinwar with haste. But what if he were captured alive, brought back to Jerusalem, and put on trial like Adolf Eichmann more than 60 years ago?

Eichmann, a high-ranking Nazi SS officer, was the primary organizer of the mass murder of millions of Jews, a task he appeared to relish. At the end of the war he was captured by U.S. forces, but he escaped and changed his identity. In 1950, with the help of Catholic Bishop Alois Hudal, he escaped to Argentina.

A decade later, Mossad agents confirmed that Eichmann was leading a quiet life near Buenos Aires, working as a factory foreman and taking public transportation to and from work every day. It would have been much easier for Israeli agents to kill this monster quietly on a dark street and be on their way. It certainly would have been justified.

But Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion understood that only 15 years after the gas chambers shut down, the world and Israel itself needed to hear exactly what had happened to the Jews of Europe from 1933 to 1945.

Ben-Gurion saw that young Israelis, who were raised to be fiercely proud of their Jewish identity and willing to defend it, had begun to think of Holocaust victims as weak and didn’t understand the degrading system the Nazis used to exterminate millions of Jews. Ben-Gurion even delayed Eichmann’s trial to wait for television to come into operation in Israel so the entire country would be able to watch.

Mossad captured Eichmann alive in 1960 and brought him back to Israel on an El Al plane—no easy feat. Israel was condemned by much of the world for a governmental kidnapping of a foreigner, notwithstanding his horrific past.

The prime minister’s gamble paid off nevertheless. The 1961 trial drew hundreds of reporters and the world watched as witness after witness described in excruciating detail what it was like to arrive in packed boxcars at Auschwitz, Treblinka or Buchenwald with their families and children. Witnesses told heartbreaking stories of standing in long lines waiting to be separated from their loved ones for the last time. Able-bodied men were sent to the right to work as slave laborers; the elderly, young and women were sent to the left, directly to the gas chambers.

As they listened, all eyes were drawn to Eichmann, a nondescript man sitting in a glass booth, squirming at times, his mouth twitching, as he was forced to hear these accounts.

A similar trial with Mr. Sinwar in the glass booth would give his victims of Oct. 7 an opportunity to confront this man and tell the world stories of the horrors he oversaw. It would also demonstrate Israel’s adherence to international law. One criticism of Israel in the Eichmann trial was that the defendant hadn’t technically committed any crime in Israel itself. This certainly isn’t the case with Mr. Sinwar, who was already tried in an Israeli court and convicted in 1989 for the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians. He received four life sentences but was released in 2011 with more than a thousand other prisoners in exchange for one kidnapped Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit.

Protesters around the world and especially on college campuses have supported and even glorified the Oct. 7 attacks. They should also be forced to hear what happened that day from the survivors, especially the women who were raped by Hamas terrorists. The world should hear what happened to the old people and the babies. The world should be able to judge the small man in the glass booth who perpetrated these disgusting crimes. Then the world might finally understand what really happened.






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Re: Is MY right or is it Anti-semitism?
« Reply #1061 on: February 02, 2024, 10:52:22 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-border-convoy-descends-into-antisemitism/ar-BB1hFieS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=4a6b4bf767c94b97873ba28d7fdfca9b&ei=17

If he would substitute the word liberal or leftist for Jewish, it might make a better point. I dont know who they are, soros?, but what does Jewish have to do with it, if true.

You could say they were short or tall too, but what does thay have to do with it. What matters is they are Leftists funding the invasion, if true. My two cents.

Mentioned previously, he lost me in his ad hominem takedown of Gov Abbott. We could all do more but dont conflate friend with enemy, IMHO.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2024, 10:55:51 PM by DougMacG »

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1062 on: February 03, 2024, 08:10:07 AM »
As a lone Cassandra with a remarkable record of ignored-until-too-late prescience, I can understand why MY can go over the top sometimes.   Also, it is fair to remind ourselves that the group which he/the convoy guy criticizes self-identifies as Jewish.

That said, this is a serious error which is not acceptable- as Doug quite rightly points out.

All this is quite frustrating for me as a Jew.

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1063 on: February 03, 2024, 08:50:49 PM »
Posted by MY today:

https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/5219420/https-open-substack-com-pub-michaelyon-p-texas-update

Actually this is even a better rejoinder than mine.

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Re: Is MY right or is it Anti-semitism?
« Reply #1064 on: February 03, 2024, 10:45:25 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-border-convoy-descends-into-antisemitism/ar-BB1hFieS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=4a6b4bf767c94b97873ba28d7fdfca9b&ei=17

If he would substitute the word liberal or leftist for Jewish, it might make a better point. I dont know who they are, soros?, but what does Jewish have to do with it, if true.

You could say they were short or tall too, but what does thay have to do with it. What matters is they are Leftists funding the invasion, if true. My two cents.

Mentioned previously, he lost me in his ad hominem takedown of Gov Abbott. We could all do more but dont conflate friend with enemy, IMHO.

I used to follow him closely because, as Marc notes, he has caught on trends long before others, and isn’t shy about saying so. However his aggressive, dire, and un-nuanced opining too closely mirrors “Progressive” tactics & pronouncements. Aren’t we not only supposed to be better than that, but this equal and opposite stuff starts feeling like a marketing effort: “I’m the antithesis of these awful people so please click here to support my work.”

As for his dire predictions … he’s pretty darn dire about everything he writes about. As much of what he speaks to is ugly to begin with, it’s not much of a surprise when in becomes uglier. And hey, if it doesn’t get uglier … it falls by the wayside and isn’t touted as prescience. A lot of it seems like mix of cocktail party card tricks/cold mind reading sorts of techniques applied to writing.

Throw in some off the cuff stuff he writes when something is breaking or he feels the need to get something off his chest that comes off shrill, poorly written, poorly argued, and seems like he’s channeling Hunter Thompson on a bender … after a stroke affecting his speech center, and I started giving him a pass. His willingness to embrace stereotypes and riff of them shamelessly without clarifying his position or apologizing for prejudices that emerge when writing in haste and I stopped following him regularly.

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Columbia Law Student Senate Won’t Allow Anti-Semitism Club
« Reply #1065 on: February 09, 2024, 07:45:57 AM »
Columbia won’t allow a student anti-semitism club to be formed. I’ve been on all sides of this issue in my roles over the years, including the faculty sponsor* of a club. There are student clubs for EVERYTHING, some issue oriented, some interest oriented, some farcical, some social, and so on. I never heard of one getting turned down, though I suppose if one was blatantly racist or something they’d have some ‘splaining to do.

Forming a club to battle anti-semitism ought to be a slam dunk. At Columbia Law, alas, it is not:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/columbia-law-school-rejects-club-formed-to-combat-antisemitism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=columbia-law-school-rejects-club-formed-to-combat-antisemitism

*Some of my student computer lab employees wanted to form a social club and basically obtain student club funds to do so. They were computer geek types and their club was intentionally farcical, calling themselves the [School Name] Pagans.

As some might surmise, my politics aren’t in line with many I work with. Indeed, there was a nasty flyer circulating around campus quite some time ago that identified me as a “ultra-right wing martial arts expert.” As such I used to enjoy watching the cognitive dissonance cross people’s face when I’d identify myself as the faculty advisor to the Pagan’s club….



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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1066 on: February 09, 2024, 06:28:54 PM »
 :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o