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Crafty_Dog

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Lloyd de Jongh: Lying about the Talmud
« Reply #1150 on: September 15, 2024, 10:03:31 PM »
I've only skimmed this, but knowing Lloyd as I do, fasten your seat belts for one helluva ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3HvOjQhfQ4

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As usual Democrats accuse us of what they are doing
« Reply #1152 on: September 23, 2024, 10:12:32 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-anti-semitic-revolution-on-the-american-right/ar-AA1r3KBN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=149d4c0e5b234c4e81c4be0eb5bd6c81&ei=12

For sure it is undeniable Jews have a disproportionate influence compared to their numbers on America politics.

That said this is their usual ploy direct from the Soviet Union and Saul Alinsky.

Accuse the other side of what you yourselves are doing.


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Reza Behnam 'Agony and Ecstasy'
« Reply #1153 on: October 08, 2024, 10:00:02 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-agony-and-ecstasy-of-an-empire-the-united-states-in-the-middle-east/ar-AA1rU9Zm

I don't see any other thread this warped interpretation of the Middle East goes under than this.

Anti Semite (no "only anti Zionist" = me -> that is BS -> Anti Semite)

and by extension speaking of how beautiful it is in Oregon while bashing next in line the United States as a parasite in the Middle East  :roll:

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Sid Rosenberg on O'Reilly from Israel
« Reply #1154 on: October 08, 2024, 10:53:57 AM »
https://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=330&pid=40653

Interesting perspectives in Israel

Same there as here:

Liberal Jews the same there as here.



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Anti-semitism & lawfare
« Reply #1156 on: October 15, 2024, 08:10:30 AM »

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Like I said
« Reply #1157 on: October 17, 2024, 03:24:29 PM »
anyone who thinks American Jews are going to vote for any  R   do not understand

you would have to knock them out with chloroform and then use a crowbar to get their hand off the Democrat voting lever.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jewish-voters-say-harris-will-handle-gaza-war-better-than-trump/ar-AA1sqLoG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=3ffb1f7ef5924d7e830444d13e33090a&ei=23

I am saying it again. For most Jews Rs are worse than Nazis.

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1158 on: October 18, 2024, 03:37:17 AM »
This is MSN so Caveat Lector.   

They could just as easily have pointed to, or at least mentioned, the substantial increase in Jews voting for Trump.

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Re: Like I said
« Reply #1159 on: October 18, 2024, 07:14:42 AM »
"anyone who thinks American Jews are going to vote for any  R   do not understand"

5.8 million adult Jews in US.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/the-size-of-the-u-s-jewish-population/

44,000 Biden 2020 margin of victory approximately (in 3 states)
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/

Just losing enthusiasm for the candidate (Harris) affects the vote.  1 or 2% flipping makes a difference. If 5 or 10% vote for neither (instead of voting Democrat) it makes a big difference.

It's very hard to undo visceral hate for Trump - but people are doing it.

I hate inflation.  I hate the borders open and the fiscal catastrophe.  Interest expense on the debt doubled in 4 years.  I don't have any Jewish friends who run their life that way.

What I see is Democrats conflicted with what they know is wrong and as you say, not liking the alternative.
----------------------------------------------------
Kamala on Israel.: 
"Israel has a right to defend itself"... followed by 'not like that!'
"Vice President Kamala Harris warned Israel that there could be consequences if it attacks the Rafah region in the southern Gaza Strip"
Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar went to hide in Rafah.
Sinwar was killed during an IDF operation in Rafah.
VP Kamala Harris congratulates the Israeli kill of Sinwar and takes partial US credit for it.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/10/17/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-on-the-death-of-yahya-sinwar/

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POTH: Today's episode at my alma mater
« Reply #1160 on: October 19, 2024, 07:13:27 PM »


Columbia Bars Vocal Pro-Israel Professor From Campus
The university said Shai Davidai had repeatedly harassed and intimidated employees. He said the university had not done enough to crack down on pro-Palestinian protests.

By Vimal Patel and Sharon Otterman
Oct. 16, 2024


Columbia University has temporarily barred a vocal pro-Israel professor from campus, saying he repeatedly harassed and intimidated the school’s employees.

Shai Davidai, an assistant professor in the business school, has been a polarizing presence on campus since Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas led an attack on Israel that has turned Gaza into a battlefield. He has accused Columbia of not doing enough to crack down on pro-Palestinian demonstrations, which he says are broadly antisemitic and support terrorism. He often makes videos of student activists and administrators and posts them online, actions his critics say blow past the boundaries of civility and policy.

In recent days, Professor Davidai has used his X account, which has more than 100,000 followers, to accuse several student groups of supporting terrorism; posted the name and email address of a Columbia professor he suggested was “OK with rape, murder, torture and kidnapping”; and falsely called Rashid Khalidi, a respected Palestinian scholar at Columbia who is retiring, a “spokesperson for Hamas.”

Last week, on the anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel, Professor Davidai posted videos of himself following around Cas Holloway, the university’s chief operating officer, for several minutes with a camera and peppering him with questions about why pro-Palestinian protests were allowed on campus that day.

“How did you allow this to happen on Oct. 7?” Professor Davidai asked in the video, amid a bustling backdrop of pro-Palestinian chants and activism. He added: “You have to do your job. And I will not let you rest if they won’t let us rest.”

The school said it notified Professor Davidai of its decision on Tuesday.

Professor Davidai, an Israeli citizen, declined an interview request but posted an expletive-laden video on social media on Tuesday night in which he suggested that he would sue the university for its decision and that he was “not going anywhere.”

He said that Columbia had decided to suspend him because he “was not afraid to stand up to the hateful mob.”

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1162 on: October 21, 2024, 06:45:46 AM »
What I find interesting is the split between the orthodox Jews and the non orthodox.

I am mostly secular.  I don't celebrate holidays anymore or go to temple but I still ID as a Jew.

I remember talking with a very liberal - ie democrat partisan Jews who was similar to me as far as being nonsecular.

We actually got into discussion how many Jews annoy us and embarrass us.
Shortly I realized she was talking about the orthodox who are more conservative and can in some locals be seen medieval
garb.  While I was thinking the crazy Democrat partisans.  The ones who elites the well to do the well off the teachers etc.

The ones who are non secular - not me  or CD - who probably were always liberal Democrats seemed to have replaced
being Jewish at the top of their identity with being Democrats.

Responding to Doug's post it is helpful to see 31 % say they will vote Trump but the only way to widen that crack that  is if the economy or something hurts them largely in their own lives and wallets.

Like I have said they all think they are safe from Dems policies, or anti semitism, but they are not. If events truly threaten them personally they might only then break.   My 2 cents.


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Jews for Trump
« Reply #1163 on: October 21, 2024, 10:22:40 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kamala-harris-iran-s-pick-is-the-wrong-choice-for-american-jews-opinion/ar-AA1sF4Zs

In line with Doug's post above.

I wonder if this will translate to state and local races.



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Re: Amsterdam Post-Soccer Game Jew Hunt
« Reply #1166 on: November 08, 2024, 07:13:54 AM »
X is abuzz about this incident where organized gangs of masked presumed Muslims hunted down and beat Jewish soccer fans:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/11/pogrom-in-amsterdam-middle-eastern-migrant-gangs-brutally-attack-israeli-soccer-fans/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pogrom-in-amsterdam-middle-eastern-migrant-gangs-brutally-attack-israeli-soccer-fans

I was mugged in Amsterdam by 'presumed Muslims' some years ago.

Not Jewish but guilty of looking like a tourist/ business traveler.
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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1167 on: November 08, 2024, 07:21:36 AM »

Not Jewish?
Doug,  I thought your full name is MacGoldberg  :-o

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1168 on: November 08, 2024, 12:36:45 PM »

Not Jewish?
Doug,  I thought your full name is MacGoldberg  :-o

))
If not Jewish, perhaps Zionist,
'advocates for a homeland for the Jewish people in the Biblical Land of Israel.'

My family fought and very much risked their lives to rid the world of Hitler and Nazis, to now  be called Hitler and Nazis - by a woman whose ancestors were slave owners.

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1169 on: November 09, 2024, 07:42:51 AM »
WWWOOOFFF!!!

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1170 on: November 11, 2024, 04:50:38 PM »
https://www.wlns.com/news/im-at-a-loss-honestly-people-holding-nazi-flags-harass-citizens-in-mid-michigan/

right wind anti semitism

Biden, Harris, Trump, somebody needs to speak up to this.

I am not clear who is behind the Amsterdam stuff

muslims or neo nazis or both

or how about our great DC law enforcement -  no evidence this is a hate crime

https://pjmedia.com/sarah-anderson/2024/11/11/vandals-attack-beloved-jewish-restaurant-on-dark-nazi-anniversary-n4934185

say what?  so is it usual for people to run around throwing rocks at restaurant windows for any other reason?



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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1171 on: November 11, 2024, 07:27:54 PM »
"I am not clear who is behind the Amsterdam stuff.  Muslims or neo nazis or both"

Everything I've seen suggests Muslims.

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Another look at Jewish voters
« Reply #1172 on: November 12, 2024, 09:29:35 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-polls-jewish-voters-overwhelming-stuck-with-kamala-harris-but-what-about-muslims/ar-AA1tXfKB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=2c18ad58d61d4f1b92862fd679e6f33c&ei=10

If you know any Jewish Democrats - think like someone like Anthony Weiner - they all have T
TDS stage 5.

They have never considered voting for a Republican and consider Rs worse then Nazis not infrequently, or at least up there with them.

Think meathead Rob Reiner who never knew a Dem he did not love.

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Re: Anti-semitism & Jews
« Reply #1173 on: November 12, 2024, 09:49:11 AM »
Trump Won Jewish Neighborhoods Across America
The real facts about how Jews voted in 2024.
November 12, 2024 by Daniel Greenfield

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Trump won the largest Jewish county in the country, the only entirely Jewish town and village, and some of the densest, fastest growing and most Jewish neighborhoods in America.

Borough Park, Brooklyn is the densest Jewish neighborhood in the country. Its two square miles contain nearly 100,000 Jewish people in 23,000 households. 83% are married and only 2% are divorced. 96% are members of synagogues. This was where large crowds protested pandemic lockdowns, tearing down playground fences and burning masks.

Trump won over 90% of the vote in most Borough Park districts. On 14th Avenue and Rabbi Weissmandl Way, Trump won 96% of the vote in one very Jewish district.

In Chicago’s West Rogers Park, a Muslim terrorist shot a Jewish man who was walking to the synagogue on the Sabbath, and then did battle with police while shouting, “Allahu Akbar”.

Trump won the more Orthodox areas of West Rogers Park, which Chicago Magazine described as, “a world of synagogues, kosher bakeries, and Hebrew bookstores” by over 70%.

A pro-terrorist mob descended on the Pico-Robertson community in Los Angeles, and assaulted Jewish community members outside the Adas Torah synagogue while the police did nothing.

Trump won the Pico Robertson community. He also won the adjoining communities of Beverly Hills and the Orthodox Jewish community in the Fairfax area near the Holocaust museum, and which had suffered a BLM pogrom that vandalized synagogues and businesses in 2020. Down in the valley, he also won Valley Village as well as some Jewish areas in Encino and Tarzana.

In Surfside, the most ‘Jewish community’ of the Miami area, where Jews make up a third of the population, Trump won 61% of the vote. In Aventura, Miami, a melting pot of Jews from Latin America, the former USSR and the Middle East, where the majority of the population is Jewish, Trump won 59% of the vote.

These snapshots of some of the densest Jewish communities in the country, in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Florida, show how Jews actually voted on Election Day.

Despite the push polls from liberal Jewish organizations and dubious exit polls, actual precinct data from the largest Jewish neighborhoods in the country shows Jews voted for Trump.

Precinct data, unlike polls, don’t represent some statistical cross-section of the population and can’t be biased, they show how actual Jewish communities voted in a truly objective way.

Closer breakdowns in New York and New Jersey show in depth the impact of the Trump vote in the most Jewish neighborhoods and areas in cities and states.

In Brooklyn, in Crown Heights, the home of the Lubavitch chassidic movement which Trump visited before the election, the area shines bright red amid a seat of blue from the surrounding hipster and black communities. Trump won 74% of the vote in Crown Heights South.

A red beach on the map of Brooklyn represents the chassidic communities of South Williamsburg where Trump won an average of 90% of the vote. Midwood, home to tens of thousands of more Orthodox (but not Chassidic) Jews is another bright stretch of red with Trump winning 90% or more of the votes in many precincts.

In the Syrian Jewish enclaves of Gravesend, Trump won between 85% to 91% of the vote.

But it’s not just religious Jews.

Trump won over 70% of the vote in the Brighton Beach enclave founded by Russian Jews. Queens, home to a large population of older working class Jewish retirees and Russian immigrants (along with working class Irish and Italians of another era) is almost all red.

Trump won some Kew Garden Hills, Queens precincts by over 80%. The New York Times wrote that Kew Garden Hills “supports one of the biggest Orthodox Jewish communities in New York City.”

Moving outside the city and further upstate, in the chassidic town of Palm Tree, NY, Trump won 98% of the vote, by 7489-122 and in the village of New Square, which is also all chassidic, Trump won 3,456 votes to 12 votes for Kamala.

In the larger Rockland County, NY, which has the largest Jewish population of any county in the country at 31%, Trump won a majority of the vote.

While Bruce Springsteen came out of Monmouth County, NJ and campaigned for Kamala, the area is home to the third largest concentration of Jews in the state, it’s also one of the most populated and fastest growing Jewish communities, and Trump won it.

Monmouth County includes the Syrian Jewish area of Deal where Trump held a fundraiser.

Trump won Ocean County and Passaic County, NJ even more decisively 67% to 31%. In Ocean County’s Lakewood township, where Jews make up 2 out of 3 residents, Trump won 99% of the vote. In Bergen County’s somewhat more liberal Teaneck Modern Orthodox Jewish precincts, Trump won 71% of the vote.

While Democrats and the media will go on peddling their own push poll and surveys which will claim that the vast majority of Jews are Democrats (and some will go on believing them), the hard data from election precincts shows very clearly how Jewish neighborhoods voted.

Trump won Jewish neighborhoods across America. These communities are diverse, representing Middle Eastern, Latin American, Russian and Orthodox Jews. Many of these communities do not show up in polls and surveys which capture only a very conventional liberal demographic of third generation Eastern European and German descended Reform Jews.

Democrats, liberal Jewish groups and the media ignore some of the largest and fastest growing Jewish communities in America because they don’t fit the liberal suburban ‘Temple’ template.

The Trump campaign did not make that same mistake and won them.

Pro-Trump Jewish communities can be ignored in polls and surveys, but they can’t be ignored on Election Day. And the most Jewish neighborhoods in America voted for Trump.

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Trump picked up Jews in a few localities
« Reply #1174 on: November 12, 2024, 09:53:50 AM »
well, he probably picked up more Orthodox including in NY and a few in central Jersey

but those are a small minority of Jews:   

How do you explain the overall numbers that do not show a change?

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Re: Trump picked up Jews in a few localities
« Reply #1175 on: November 12, 2024, 10:19:35 AM »
well, he probably picked up more Orthodox including in NY and a few in central Jersey

but those are a small minority of Jews:   

How do you explain the overall numbers that do not show a change?

Better exit analysis will come in a few months. Some of these estimates are going to be off.

I heard 80% of orthodox Jews support Trump but didn't know if that's right and how many people that involves. Doesn't exactly match these numbers or Crafty's post.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/657477/poll-orthodox-jews-trump-harris/

Friends of mine that are centrist, moderate, pro-business, 'socially liberal' Democrat Jews lost faith in Biden, don't support Kamala, but couldn't make the leap to vote for Trump. Too much accumulated hatred for the guy.

Like my congressman Dean Phillips (Jewish) who challenged Biden in the primaries, they want a centrist 'No Labels' alternative to both and didn't get one.

But what is a moderate, centrist position on defeating Hamas? There's no such thing.

One candidate supported Israel and the other tried to thread the needle between death to Israel and supporting them.

Lots of voters were conflicted this year.

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Jews not so for Harris Walz
« Reply #1176 on: November 12, 2024, 10:30:01 AM »
One more on that.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/11/did-walz-cost-harris-the-election.php

The Harris-Walz ticket won Pennsylvania Jewish voters by seven percentage points, 48%-41%, over the GOP ticket of Donald Trump and JD Vance, according to the survey conducted by the Honan Strategy Group for the Teach Coalition, an affiliate of the Jewish Orthodox Union.

However, 53% of Jewish voters said they would have pulled the lever for the veep if Shapiro was her No. 2, while support for Trump-Vance would have dropped to 38%.
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Georgetown Cowers Before Anti-Semites
« Reply #1177 on: November 19, 2024, 02:06:53 PM »
There was a time when a degree from Georgetown, particularly a post-graduate degree, meant something other than quaking before rabid anti-semites:

https://freebeacon.com/campus/i-saw-how-georgetowns-prestigious-school-of-foreign-service-coddles-violent-anti-semites-who-are-plotting-to-transform-us-policy-from-within/