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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #652 on: June 10, 2024, 08:00:44 AM »
This looks to be HUGE.

This is a subject of great interest to me.  With all the antibiotics lurking in our beef, poultry, and pork, our good intestinal flora is under regular assault. 

A particular brand of probiotics is my counter.

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #653 on: June 11, 2024, 06:14:04 AM »
Yes interesting

I am not clear how it targets only pathogenic resistant bugs however.

There are various mechanisms that drug resistant bacteria evade the effects of antibiotics and this drug must target these in some way.

I am still very cautious about good vs bad bugs and the concept of pro biotics

not that there is not something to it but I am still not aware we understand it very well to be making recommendations.   

of course, I am no expert in the field and I have not been keeping up with it except for a review course online the past yr.


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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #654 on: June 12, 2024, 05:10:56 AM »
I just go by personal empirical experience in selecting the particular blend that I use.

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CDC now recommending gays take doxycycline for every risky sexual behavior
« Reply #655 on: June 19, 2024, 11:38:32 AM »
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/rr/rr7302a1.htm?s_cid=rr7302a1_w

Why don't we simply make all antibiotics otc for this population to take with every sexual encounter?

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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/rr/rr7302a1.htm?s_cid=rr7302a1_w

Why don't we simply make all antibiotics otc for this population to take with every sexual encounter?

It's as if there is something unnatural about this.

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saw this and think it does have potential
« Reply #657 on: June 22, 2024, 05:57:53 AM »
https://apnimed.com/apnimed-presented-positive-phase-2b-results-on-ad109-an-investigational-oral-drug-for-obstructive-sleep-apnea-for-the-first-time-at-ats-2023/

With the literal epidemic of obesity comes an epidemic of sleep apnea

Many tolerate the CPAP device and many hate it.
This drug, if it really works may well be a viable alternative.

private company
for now


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WT: Donor pigs
« Reply #659 on: July 25, 2024, 07:47:12 AM »
Farm raises clean, gene-edited pigs to grow kidneys, hearts for humans

BY LAURAN NEERGAARD ASSOCIATED PRESS BLACKSBURG, VA. | Wide-eyed piglets rushing to check out the visitors to their unusual barn just might represent the future of organ transplantation — and there’s no rolling around in the mud here.

The first gene-edited pig organs ever transplanted into people came from animals born on this research farm in the Blue Ridge Mountains — behind locked gates, where entry requires washing down your vehicle, swapping your clothes for medical scrubs and stepping into tubs of disinfectant to clean your boots between each air-conditioned barn.

“These are precious animals,” said David Ayares of Revivicor Inc., who spent decades learning to clone pigs with just the right genetic changes to allow those first audacious experiments.

The biosecurity gets even tighter just a few miles away in Christiansburg, Virginia, where a new herd is being raised — pigs expected to supply organs for formal studies of animal-to-human transplantation as soon as next year.

This massive first-of-its-kind building bears no resemblance to a farm. It’s more like a pharmaceutical plant. And part of it is closed to all but certain carefully chosen employees who take a timed shower, don company-provided clothes and shoes, and then enter an enclave where piglets are growing up.

Behind that protective barrier are some of the world’s cleanest pigs. They breathe air and drink water that’s better filtered against contaminants than what’s required for people. Even their feed gets disinfected — all to prevent them from picking up any possible infections that might ultimately harm a transplant recipient.

“We designed this facility to protect the pigs against contamination from the environment and from people,” said Matthew VonEsch of United Therapeutics, Revivicor’s parent company. “Every person that enters this building is a possible pathogen risk.”

The Associated Press got a peek at what it takes to clone and raise designer pigs for their organs — including a $75 million “designated pathogen-free facility” built to meet Food and Drug Administration safety standards for xenotransplantation.

Thousands of Americans each year die waiting for a transplant, and many experts acknowledge there never will be enough human donors to meet the need.

Animals offer the tantalizing promise of a ready-made supply. After decades of failed attempts, companies including Revivicor, eGenesis and Makana Therapeutics are engineering pigs to be more like humans.

So far in the U.S. there have been four “compassionate use” transplants, last-ditch experiments into dying patients — two hearts and two kidneys. Revivicor provided both hearts and one of the kidneys. While the four patients died within a few months, they offered valuable lessons for researchers ready to try again in people who aren’t quite as sick.

Now the FDA is evaluating promising results from experiments in donated human bodies and awaiting results of additional studies of pig organs in baboons before deciding next steps.

They’re semi-custom organs — “we’re growing these pigs to the size of the recipient,” Mr. Ayares said — that won’t show the wear and tear of aging or chronic disease like most organs donated by people.

Transplant surgeons who’ve retrieved organs on Revivicor’s farm “go, ‘Oh my God, that’s the most beautiful kidney I’ve ever seen,’” Mr. Ayares added. “Same thing when they get the heart, a pink, healthy, happy heart from a young animal.”

The main challenges: how to avoid rejection and whether the animals might carry some unknown infection risk.

The process starts with modifying genes in pig skin cells in a lab. Revivicor initially deleted a gene that produces a sugar named alpha-gal, which triggers immediate destruction from the human immune system.

Next came three-gene “knockouts,” to remove other immune-triggering red flags. Now the company is focusing on 10 gene edits — deleted pig genes and added human ones that together lessen risk of rejection and blood clots plus limit organ size.

They clone pigs with those alterations, similar to how Dolly the sheep was created.

Twice a week, slaughterhouses ship Revivicor hundreds of eggs retrieved from sow ovaries. Working in the dark with the light-sensitive eggs, scientists peer through a microscope while suctioning out the maternal DNA. Then they slip in the genetic modifications.

“Tuck it in nice and smooth,” murmurs senior researcher Lori Sorrells, pushing to just the right spot without rupturing the egg. Mild electric shocks fuse in the new DNA and activate embryo growth.

Mr. Ayares, a molecular geneticist who heads Revivicor and helped create the world’s first cloned pigs in 2000, says the technique is “like playing two video games at the same time,” holding the egg in place with one hand and manipulating it with the other.

The company’s first modified pig, the GalSafe single gene knockout, now is bred instead of cloned. If xenotransplantation eventually works, other pigs with the desired gene combinations would be, too.

Hours later, embryos are carried to the research farm in a hand-held incubator and implanted into waiting sows


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WSJ: New Blood Tests
« Reply #661 on: July 30, 2024, 11:59:16 AM »


The Blood Tests That Can Flag Your Hidden Heart Disease Risk
Doctors say these tests can offer a better indication of potential problems than some better-known measures
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July 30, 2024 8:01 am ET


Two blood tests you probably haven’t heard of might predict your risk of heart disease better than standard tests do.

The first measures a protein called apolipoprotein B, or apoB for short, that contributes to artery-blocking plaque. The other test, for lipoprotein(a), measures a type of bad cholesterol.

High levels of each have been linked to increased risk of heart disease.

A growing number of specialists and primary care doctors say these tests can help give you a more precise and earlier indication of possible heart problems than more common tests for things like LDL, the best-known bad cholesterol marker. In some cases, these lesser-known tests identify at-risk people whose standard lipid tests look normal.

Proponents say the tests should supplement, not replace, your standard lipid panel, which is generally recommended every one to six years for adults.

Other doctors are wary of ordering the tests, citing a lack of consensus on what constitutes normal levels and whether and how to treat them—not to mention the extra cost. U.S. medical organization guidelines don’t universally recommend them.

How these tests could help
A growing body of research on apoB suggests it is a better predictor of heart disease risk than the better-known LDL cholesterol.

Up to 20% of patients with normal LDL cholesterol levels will have high levels of apoB, says Dr. Marc Penn, a cardiologist and a medical director at laboratory testing company Quest Diagnostics.

“You’re actually getting a much better assessment of the number of particles that are carrying cholesterol in the blood that could potentially lead to atherosclerosis” when measuring apoB, says Dr. Shriram Nallamshetty, a preventive cardiologist at the Palo Alto VA Medical Center.

Similarly, high lp(a) levels, which are thought to start between 30 and 50 mg/dL and affect roughly 20% to 30% of people, have been linked to increased risk for heart attack, stroke and other cardiovascular diseases.


The apoB protein binds to the surface of round lipoprotein particles that carry triglycerides and ‘bad’ cholesterol to help form artery-blocking plaque.  ILLUSTRATION: QUEST DIAGNOSTICS
You can lower your apoB levels by taking certain drugs, like statins, and through dietary changes, such as limiting saturated fats.

Your lp(a), by contrast, is genetic and doesn’t change much over the course of your life. But if tests show high levels, you can lower your heart-disease risk in other ways, such as with medication or changes to diet and exercise.

Buddy Touchinsky, a chiropractor who runs an integrative medicine practice in Pennsylvania, decided last year to start running both tests on every patient. Last year, Touchinsky’s own lp(a) test revealed a level significantly above the high-risk threshold.

“If I would have started more aggressively treating this 20 years ago, maybe I wouldn’t have any plaquing in my arteries at all,” says Touchinsky.

Touchinsky was able to bring down his apoB level by reducing his consumption of foods like red meat, butter and full-fat dairy, upping his exercise and taking a low-dose statin, as well as another cholesterol-lowering drug called ezetimibe.

Who should get them
Doctors disagree about who should get these tests.

“Some people are doing everything they can to be healthy already and have a lot of anxiety,” says Dr. Nalin Dayawansa, a research and interventional cardiology fellow at the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, Australia. “A lot of that information is just noise and wasted money if it doesn’t directly influence what you do.”

The American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association don’t recommend them for everyone. Instead, they recommend lp(a) testing for adults with a family history of premature heart disease, or if you have atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease that isn’t explained by common risk factors like smoking.

These groups say that measuring apoB may have advantages for some people, especially if you have high levels of triglycerides, or fat, in the blood.

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Health Thread, Mental Health, The times they are a changin'
« Reply #662 on: October 13, 2024, 01:19:40 PM »
73% of Boomer males: "No matter what psychological challenges I face, I will not let them define me." 

72% of Gen Z females: "Mental illness is an important part of my identity."

https://x.com/eyeslasho/status/1844932708474016215

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Grain of Salt Sized Implant Restores Vision
« Reply #663 on: October 28, 2024, 04:56:57 PM »
My wife has eye issues that make driving among other things difficult, which this piece holds out some hope for:

OPICSEXPERTSEVENTSVIDEOS
The Clinically Blind See Again With an Implant the Size of a Grain of Salt
Shelly Fan
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Shelly Fan
October 28, 2024
 
Seeing is believing. Our perception of the world heavily relies on vision.

What we see depends on cells in the retina, which sit behind the eyes. These delicate cells transform light into electrical pulses that go to the brain for further processing.

But because of age, disease, or genetics, retinal cells often break down. For people with geographic atrophy—a disease which gradually destroys retinal cells—their eyes struggle to focus on text, recognize faces, and decipher color or textures in the dark. The disease especially attacks central vision, which lets our eyes focus on specific things.

The result is seeing the world through a blurry lens. Walking down the street in dim light becomes a nightmare, each surface looking like a distorted version of itself. Reading a book or watching a movie is more frustrating than relaxing.

But the retina is hard to regenerate, and the number of transplant donors can’t meet demand. A small clinical trial may have a solution. Led by Science Corporation, a brain-machine interface company headquartered in Alameda, California, the study implanted a tiny chip that acts like a replacement retina in 38 participants who were legally blind.

Dubbed the PRIMAvera trial, the volunteers wore custom-designed eyewear with a camera acting as a “digital eye.” Captured images were then transmitted to the implanted artificial retina, which translated the information into electrical signals for the brain to decipher.

Preliminary results found a boost in the participants’ ability to read the eye exam scale—a common test of random letters, with each line smaller than the last. Some could even read longer texts in a dim environment at home with the camera’s “zoom-and-enhance” function.

The trial is ongoing, with final results expected in 2026—three years after the implant. But according to Frank Holz at the University of Bonn Ernst-Abbe-Strasse in Germany, the study’s scientific coordinator, the results are a “milestone” for geographic atrophy resulting from age.

“Prior to this, there have been no real treatment options for these patients,” he said in a press release.

Max Hodak, CEO of Science Corp and former president of Elon Musk’s Neuralink, said, “To my knowledge, this is the first time that restoration of the ability to fluently read has ever been definitively shown in blind patients.”

Eyes Wide Open

The eye is a biological wonder. The eyeball’s layers act as a lens focusing light onto the retina—the eye’s visual “sensor.” The retina contains two types of light-sensitive cells: Rods and cones.

The rods mostly line the outer edges of the retina, letting us see shapes and shadows in the dark or at the periphery. But these cells can’t detect color or sharpen their focus, which is why night vision feels blurrier. However, rods readily pick up action at the edges of sight—such as seeing rapidly moving things out of the corner of your eye.

Cones pick up the slack. These cells are mostly in the center of the retina and can detect vibrant colors and sharply focus on specific things, like the words you’re currently reading.

Both cell types rely on other cells to flourish. These cells coat the retina, and like soil in a garden, provide a solid foundation in which the rods and cones can grow.

With age, all these cells gradually deteriorate, sometimes resulting in age-related macular degeneration and the gradual loss of central vision. It’s a common condition that affects nearly 20 million Americans aged 40 or older. Details become hard to see; straight lines may seem crooked; colors look dim, especially in low-light conditions. Later stages, called geographic atrophy, result in legal blindness.

Scientists have long searched for a treatment. One idea is to use a 3D-printed stem cell patch made out of the base “garden soil” cells that support light-sensitive rods and cones. Here, doctors transform a patient’s own blood cells into healthy retinal support cells, attach them to a biodegradable scaffold, and transplant them into the eye.

Initial results showed the patch integrated into the retina and slowed and even reversed the disease. But this can take six months and is tailored for each patient, making it difficult to scale.

A New Vision

The Prima system eschews regeneration for a wireless microchip that replaces parts of the retina. The two-millimeter square implant—roughly the size of a grain of salt—is surgically inserted under the retina. The procedure may sound daunting, but according to Wired, it takes only 80 minutes, less time than your average movie. Each chip contains nearly 400 light-sensitive pixels, which convert light patterns into electrical pulses the brain can interpret. The system also includes a pair of glasses with a camera to capture visual information and beam it to the chip using infrared light.

Together, the components work like our eyes do: Images from the camera are sent to the artificial retina “chip,” which transform them into electrical signals for the brain.

Initial results were promising. According to the company, the patients had improved visual acuity a year after the implant. At the beginning of the study, most were considered legally blind with an average vision of 20/450, compared to the normal 20/20. When challenged with an eye exam test, the patients could read, on average, roughly 23 more letters—or five more lines down the chart—compared to tests taken before they received the implant. One patient especially excelled, improving their performance by 59 letters—over 11 lines.

The Prima implant also impacted their daily lives. Participants were able to read, play cards, and tackle crossword puzzles—all activities that require central vision.

While impressive, the system didn’t work for everyone. The implant caused serious side effects in some participants—such as a small tear in the retina—which were mostly resolved according to the company. Some people also experienced blood leaks under the retina that were promptly treated. However, few details regarding the injuries or treatments were released.

The trial is ongoing, with the goal of following participants for three years to track improvements and monitor side effects. The team is also looking to measure their quality of life—how the system affects daily activities that require vision and mental health.

The trial “represents an enormous turning point for the field, and we’re incredibly excited to bring this important technology to market over the next few years,” said Hodak.



https://singularityhub.com/2024/10/28/the-clinically-blind-see-again-with-an-implant-the-size-of-a-grain-of-sand/

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #664 on: October 30, 2024, 07:17:12 AM »
My wife stresses greatly with driving at night and avoids it.

I will share this with her.

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eye chip and glasses
« Reply #665 on: October 30, 2024, 09:37:04 AM »

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Hard to Profit from Good Metabolic Health
« Reply #666 on: October 31, 2024, 08:36:18 AM »
Six minute vid where an MD states the healthcare industry is set up to ignore and avoid simple fixes offered by practicing good metabolic health and instead take an interventionist approach where cutting, medicating, and the interventions favored by big pharma and big gov are favored:

https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1838748074597917096

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #667 on: October 31, 2024, 09:57:46 AM »
a lot of "we need to do" _____ what?

we can outlaw all plastics sugar meat salt etc.

that should be easy

every single corner of the US has a restaurant that would have to close down

we can outlaw cars and have everyone go back to walking and bicycles


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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #668 on: November 01, 2024, 10:39:11 AM »
a lot of "we need to do" _____ what?

we can outlaw all plastics sugar meat salt etc.

that should be easy

every single corner of the US has a restaurant that would have to close down

we can outlaw cars and have everyone go back to walking and bicycles

Is this in response to the metabolic health video I posted? If so it seems we watched two different videos.

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #669 on: November 01, 2024, 10:49:49 AM »
yes

the woman in the video pointed out many concerns but no specific remedies.

I am saying the problems she points out involve the whole economy

so what does she propose we do?

just asking.

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #670 on: November 01, 2024, 11:52:31 AM »
yes

the woman in the video pointed out many concerns but no specific remedies.

I am saying the problems she points out involve the whole economy

so what does she propose we do?

just asking.

Focus on metabolic health proactively rather than interventionist health reactively, and have medical schools offer metabolic health coursework so that MDs, particularly GPs, have the tools to counsel patients on effective metabolic health strategies that will delay or obviate the need for surgical or pharmacological interventions down the line was my takeaway.

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Sugar and its Impact on Health
« Reply #671 on: November 01, 2024, 02:42:36 PM »
Only read the abstract, but it seems quite interesting, particularly the impact of prenatal sugar. When I was a kid, sugar was considered bad for teeth, but beyond that ubiquitous. Wish I’d had more sense about this stuff 50 years ago when sugar habits get established:

Abstract

We examined the impact of sugar exposure within 1000 days since conception on diabetes and hypertension, leveraging quasi-experimental variation from the end of the United Kingdom’s sugar rationing in September 1953. Rationing restricted sugar intake to levels within current dietary guidelines, yet consumption nearly doubled immediately post-rationing. Using an event study design with UK Biobank data comparing adults conceived just before or after rationing ended, we found that early-life rationing reduced diabetes and hypertension risk by about 35% and 20%, respectively, and delayed disease onset by 4 and 2 years. Protection was evident with in-utero exposure and increased with postnatal sugar restriction, especially after six months when solid foods likely began. In-utero sugar rationing alone accounted for about one third of the risk reduction.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn5421

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weight recurrence after GLP-1 drugs
« Reply #672 on: November 15, 2024, 12:56:37 PM »
I am not sure why this is surprising

It is not isolated to GLP 1 drugs.

Most people regain the weight after any "diet" or other medicine:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14082287/ozempic-weight-loss-weight-on.html

These medicines are not miracle cures they are miracle treatments.  Yes people can have side effects or they do not work for everyone.   

Who would have guessed?    :roll:



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Carter outlived metastatic melanoma
« Reply #675 on: December 30, 2024, 06:42:31 AM »
This is so true
God bless the geniuses who came up with these therapies:

https://www.newsmax.com/us/jimmy-carter-democrat-president/2024/12/29/id/1193263/

This was unheard of not too long ago.....

McCain who passed in '18, I am reviewing, also survived melanoma but then died of glioblastoma a different form of cancer of the brain.

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This has to be one of the most diabolical marketing gimmicks
« Reply #676 on: January 08, 2025, 05:11:10 PM »
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-07-23/smart-vapes-with-games-could-lure-youth-uc-riverside-experts-say?utm_campaign=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

nicotine is very addictive and for many more so than opioids .

my God is there no end to the evil in this world of those taking advantage of others?

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Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc)
« Reply #677 on: January 09, 2025, 09:25:37 AM »
My son is sucked into vaping.

It pains me deeply.

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*predatory journals"
« Reply #678 on: January 11, 2025, 09:30:33 AM »
estimate ~ 1,500 in 2021:

From American College of Physicians:

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/ANNALS-24-03636?_gl=1*1yiuupw*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3MzI2NTczOTguQ2owS0NRaUFnSmE2QmhDT0FSSXNBTWlMN1ZfR3hTNUtDVTR3WjNfVjg3NTZNNXNYdGVTRTI5b1o1akdoYVQtdTBGbm42V1hySUl3bHNzRWFBb29mRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_dc*R0NMLjE3MzI2NTczOTguQ2owS0NRaUFnSmE2QmhDT0FSSXNBTWlMN1ZfR3hTNUtDVTR3WjNfVjg3NTZNNXNYdGVTRTI5b1o1akdoYVQtdTBGbm42V1hySUl3bHNzRWFBb29mRUFMd193Y0I.*_gcl_au*NzE2MjE4NTQwLjE3MzM5NDg3NDY.*_ga*ODMyOTg3MTYzLjE2MzE3NDAxNzM.*_ga_PM4F5HBGFQ*MTczNjM2ODAxMC42NDIuMS4xNzM2MzY4MDUyLjE4LjAuMA..&_ga=2.196013100.1448210503.1736368011-832987163.1631740173&_gac=1.83917163.1732657398.Cj0KCQiAgJa6BhCOARIsAMiL7V_GxS5KCU4wZ3_V8756M5sXteSE29oZ5jGhaT-u0Fnn6WXrIIwlssEaAoofEALw_wcB

So for example, when we see the supposed treatments offered all day long advertised on TV, Cable, internet claiming support by (x) # of studies or published in some sort of journal buyer be very ware!  As the Sharks on Shark Tank once pointed out most of these are con scams.

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PBMs
« Reply #679 on: January 14, 2025, 08:37:31 AM »
Headlines beams PBMs inflated medicine costs by 7.3 billion dollars.
But I am not at all clear what the details are.  Is that there total take?  Did they also save some buyers money at the same time?  No explanation just the gotcha headline.

If so I am suprised it is only that much.  Out of total expenditures this accounts to only 1.5 % of drug costs.  Not much if you ask me. 

I have not been a fan of PBMs due to lack of transparency but that said this sounds a bit like a hit piece without real facts.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-ftc-finds-major-pharmacy-162405328.html

Overall estimated spending on prescriptions meds in US since 1990:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/184914/prescription-drug-expenditures-in-the-us-since-1960/

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Wanted: A Million Peptide Antimicrobial Database
« Reply #680 on: Today at 05:09:23 AM »
Pathogens are developing antibiotic resistance. The solution? Develop a database of pathogen destroying peptide chains:

How Scientific Incentives Stalled the Fight Against Antibiotic Resistance, and How We Can Fix It
Peptide-DB: A Million-Peptide Database to Accelerate Science
MAXWELL TABARROK
DEC 13, 2024

Back in July, Macroscience announced an open RFP for short papers on “negative metascience”, diagnosing places where the infrastructure for science has broken down, and how we might do better.

We’re publishing the first of these — from Maxwell Tabarrok on peptides and antibiotic resistance — today. Enjoy!

Introduction

For all of human history until the past 100 years, infectious diseases have been our deadliest foe. Even during the roaring 1920s, nearly one in a hundred Americans would die of an infectious disease every year. To put that into context, the US infectious disease death rate was 10x lower during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2021. The glorious relief we enjoy from the ancient specter of deadly disease is due in large part to development of antibiotic treatments like penicillin.

But this relief may soon be coming to an end. If nothing is done, antibiotic resistance promises a return to the historical norm of frequent death from infectious disease. As humans use more antibiotics, we are inadvertently running the world's largest selective breeding program for bacteria which can survive our onslaught of drugs. Already by the late 1960s, 80% of cases of Staphylococcus aureus, a common and notorious bacterial infection agent, were resistant to penicillin. Since then, we have discovered many more powerful antibiotic drugs, but our use of the drugs is growing rapidly, while our discovery rate is stagnating at best.

As a result, antibiotic resistance is spreading. Today, certain forms of Staphylococcus aureus, like MRSA, are resistant to even our most powerful antibiotics, and the disease results in 20 thousand deaths every year in the US.

The most promising solution to antibiotic resistance comes from dragon blood.

Komodo dragons, native to a few small islands in Indonesia, are the world’s largest lizards. They eat carrion and live in swamps, and their saliva hosts many of the world’s most stubborn and infectious bacteria. But Komodos almost never get infected. Even when they have open wounds, Komodo dragons can trudge happily along through rotting corpses and mud without a worry.

Their resilience is due to an arsenal of chemicals in their blood called antimicrobial peptides. These peptides are short sequences of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. These chemical chains glom onto negatively charged bacteria (but not neutrally charged animal cells) and force open holes in the membrane, killing the infectious bacterium. Humans have peptides too, and we use them for everything from regulating blood sugar with insulin to fighting infections.

Peptides are especially promising candidates for antibiotic-resistant pathogens for two reasons. One is that they are easily programmable and synthesized. Their properties and structure are the result of chaining amino acids together in a line, so it’s easy to work with them computationally and apply machine learning and bioinformatics. The second reason is that peptides are resistant to resistance. Researchers can use them to target much more fundamental properties of bacteria, whereas antibiotics target particular molecular pathways that are often closed by a single, small mutation. For example, bacterial membranes are almost universally negatively charged; it is a feature of their physiology which is not easily mutated away. Therefore, peptides which use this negative charge to seek out and destroy invading bacteria are difficult to avoid, even after those bacteria evolve through generations of intensive selective breeding as a result of being targeted.

Even though peptides are short, usually less than 50 amino acids, the combinatorial space of peptide sequences is vast. It’s difficult to search through this space for peptides that are effective against the resistant superbugs which threaten to return us to the medieval world of deadly infections. However, searching for these peptides is a well-defined problem with easy-to-measure inputs and outputs. The fundamental research problem is perfectly poised to benefit from rapid advances in computation. The cutting edge of research in this field involves building machine learning models to predict which sequences of amino acids will be bio-active against certain pathogens, similar to Deepmind’s AlphaFold, then developing those peptides and testing the model’s predictions.

But progress in this field is slower than we need it to be to meet the challenge of antibiotic resistance. This isn’t just due to inherent difficulties in the science, though of course those do exist. Progress towards antimicrobial peptides is slowed by scattered, poorly maintained, and small datasets of peptide sequences paired with experimentally verified properties. Machine learning thrives on big data, but the largest database of peptides only has a few thousand experimentally validated sequences and only tracks three or four chemical properties, like antimicrobial activity and host toxicity. These properties are often difficult to compare to other sources.

Most importantly, there is almost zero negative data in these sources. Scientists test hundreds or thousands of peptides to find one which is active against some pathogen, and then they publish a paper about the one which succeeded. That success might go into the database, but all of the preceding failures are kept in the file drawer, even though they are, at current margins, far more valuable for machine learning models than one more success data point.

Making a better dataset is feasible and desirable, but no actor in science today has the incentives to do it. Open data sets are a public good, so private research organizations will tend to underinvest. The non-pecuniary rewards in academia like publications and prestige are pointed towards splashy results in big journals, not a foundational piece of infrastructure, like a dataset.

This problem is solvable with an investment in public data production. A massive, standardized, and detailed dataset of one million peptide sequences and their antimicrobial properties (or lack thereof) would accelerate progress towards new drugs that can kill antibiotic-resistant pathogens. This would replicate the success of datasets like the Protein Structure Initiative and the Human Genome Project and put us on track to defeat these drug-resistant diseases, before they roll back the clock on the medical progress of the past century.

What Are Peptides, and How Do They Work?

Proteins are the machinery of biology: they constitute the motors, factories, and control surfaces of cellular life. Some proteins are incredibly complex, like this motor protein made of thousands of amino acids.


Peptides are a particular kind of protein. They are short and simple without many moving parts. Instead of using intricate and specialized binding sites like larger proteins, peptides just use thousands of copies of themselves and preferential chemical attractions to perform various tasks in the human body, like regulating blood sugar or pain sensitivity.

Antimicrobial peptides are peptides whose specific purpose is killing pathogens that are invading the body. These are subjects of active research in microbiology. Our body employs lots of antimicrobial peptides naturally. Peptides like Defensin or LL-37 are most frequently found on our skin or in our mouths and noses as the first line of defense against all of the pathogens we come into contact with.

Much is still unknown about exactly how peptides work and how to target them, but antimicrobial peptides tend to have a positive charge and two different surfaces along their structure that either attract or repel water. This attracts them to pathogenic bacteria, which have negatively charged membranes. Then, the hydro-phobic and -philic surfaces of the peptide interact with the membrane to drill holes in it, and the cell collapses and dies. Lower concentrations of peptide may not kill the invading pathogens, but they will slow down their metabolic processes, giving a head start to the rest of our immune system.

Eukaryotic membranes, which normal human cells are made of, have different fats on their membranes, which means they are much closer to neutrally charged and aren’t as vulnerable to the attacks that peptides make on cell membranes. Peptides can also target gram-positive vs gram-negative bacteria; they can preferentially attract to bacteria with thin, single-layer membranes or thick, multilayered ones. This specificity is important because it can help preserve non-pathogenic, beneficial bacteria while still attacking invaders.

None of this targeting is perfect. Peptides are sent out millions at a time and, since they get stronger as the concentration on a cell increases, small differences in chemical preference lead to big differences in activity. Some of our cells will bump into these peptides by chance and potentially be affected, but hundreds of times more peptides will be reliably attracted to targets like negative charge and particular chemicals on the cell walls of bacteria. This is similar to how traditional antibiotics work: There is some degree of targeting, but a heavy dose of antibiotics will still harm beneficial bacteria and human cells. That tradeoff is often worth it to fight off a deadly disease.

Peptides have two big advantages over antibiotics. The first advantage is resistance to resistance. Antibiotics often target very narrow biochemical reaction pathways into a bacteria’s metabolism or particular proteins found in the cytoplasm of pathogens, whereas peptides target general properties of a bacteria’s entire membrane, like charge or lipid composition. This gives antibiotics a slight advantage in specificity, but it also makes antibiotics easy to resist. Changing one residue in a target protein is a lot easier than changing the electric charge over the entire bacterial surface. This general targeting has allowed antimicrobial peptides to be effective first defenses against pathogens for millions of years without changing much.

The second advantage of peptides is that they are easy to synthesize and mass manufacture. Biology has done most of the heavy lifting for us here. Proteins are so versatile and fundamental to so many biological processes that nearly every cell has completely general purpose protein factories. We can take single-celled organisms that are simple and easy to grow, like yeast, insert the right DNA instructions, add sugar, and the yeast will start pumping out copies of the desired protein. There are dozens of companies that will synthesize custom proteins on demand for reasonable prices. By rapidly synthesizing and testing hundreds of different peptides, you can screen for effective and non-toxic treatments and scale them up in six or seven days. This is a stark contrast to small molecule antibiotic manufacturing, where figuring out how to synthesize a particular chemical can take years of trial and error, and making that synthesis efficient can take even longer.

The broad-spectrum chemical warfare and mass manufacturing ease of antimicrobial peptides makes them a promising avenue for combating antibiotic-resistant pathogens. Their ability to disrupt fundamental properties of bacterial cells, rather than specific molecular pathways, suggests that peptide-based treatments could remain effective over longer periods compared to traditional antibiotics, and the ease of synthesis means that new treatments can be made in weeks instead of years when the need does arise.

The Frontier of Research

Peptides have verified effects on the toughest antibiotic-resistant infections including MRSA, on viral infections like HIV, on fungal infections, and even on cancer. But they still aren’t common on pharmacy shelves or in hospital treatment. Some current clinical trials will change this, but the main barrier is still in the fundamental research.

Peptides are chains of chemicals where each link is chosen from 1 of 20 amino acids. Thus, the combinatorial space of possible peptides is incomprehensibly massive. We have mapped a tiny fraction of this space. Only a few thousand peptides are registered in databases, and there are even fewer with all the important information on not only antimicrobial activity, but also specific targeting and host cell toxicity. Much of the research on peptides has started by indexing naturally occurring peptides which takes advantage of evolution’s exploration of this combinatorial space over billions of years, but it’s still nowhere close to comprehensive.

The frontier of research in this field uses machine learning to explore the vast space of possible peptides and filter them down to the most promising candidates, similar to Google’s AlphaFold, which used machine learning algorithms to improve the prediction of a protein’s 3D structure based on the sequence of amino acids that make it up. Machine learning models of peptides also try to improve predictions based on the amino acid sequence of a protein, but they more directly target the medical properties of the peptides, rather than just trying to predict their 3D structure. Machine learning prediction on peptides may also be more tractable than AlphaFold because peptides are so much shorter than most proteins.

Based on a database of a few thousand peptide sequences, researchers have used machine learning techniques to predict brand new peptides that are active against MRSA, HIV, or cancer, and often at higher rates than naturally occurring analogs. One way they did this is by splicing, shuffling, and combining some of the existing sequences into new ones. Other approaches apply successive filters to the database and then combine the properties of those filtered sequences into a new peptide. Both of these approaches created peptides with high degrees of activity against multi-drug-resistant infections like Staphylococcus aureus.

All of this research is very promising, but it’s still moving slow because of one main constraint: data.

The Problem

Machine learning needs data. Google’s AlphaGo trained on 30 million moves from human games and orders of magnitude more from games it played against itself. The largest language models are trained on at least 60 terabytes of text. AlphaFold was trained on just over 100,000 3D protein structures from the Protein Data Bank.

The data available for antimicrobial peptides is nowhere near these benchmarks. Some databases contain a few thousand peptides each, but they are scattered, unstandardized, incomplete, and often duplicative. Data on a few thousand peptide sequences and a scattershot view of their biological properties is simply not sufficient to get accurate machine learning predictions for a system as complex as protein-chemical reactions. For example, the APD3 database is small, with just under 4,000 sequences, but is among the most tightly curated and detailed. However, most of the sequences available are from frogs or amphibians due to path-dependent discovery of peptides in that taxon. Another database, CAMPR4 has on the order of 20,000 sequences, but around half are “predicted” or synthetic peptides that may not have experimental validation, and contain less info about source and activity. The formatting of each of these sources is different, so it’s not easy to put all the sequences into one model. More inconsistencies and idiosyncrasies stack up for the dozens of other datasets available.

There is even less negative training data; that is, data on all the amino-acid sequences without interesting publishable properties. In current machine learning research, labs will test dozens or even hundreds of peptide sequences for activity against certain pathogens, but they usually only publish and upload the sequences that worked. Training a model without this data makes it extremely difficult to avoid false positive predictions. Since most data currently available is “positive” — i.e, peptides that do have antimicrobial properties — negative data is especially valuable.

Expanding the dataset of peptides and including negative observations is feasible and desirable, but no one in science has the incentive to do it. Open data sets are a public good: anyone can costlessly copy-paste a dataset, so it is difficult and often socially wasteful to put it behind a paywall. Therefore, we can’t rely on private pharmaceutical companies to invest sufficiently in this kind of open data infrastructure. Even if they did, they would fight hard to keep this data a trade secret. This would help firms recoup their investment, but it would prevent other firms and scientists from using the data, undercutting the reason it was so valuable in the first place.

Non-monetary rewards like publications and prestige are pointed towards splashy results in big journals, not toward foundational infrastructure like an open dataset. Scientists are often altruistic with open datasets and tools that they’ve developed for personal use. In the field of antimicrobial peptides, researchers host open peptide databases and prediction tools free for anyone to use. They are motivated by a genuine desire to see progress in this field, but genuine desire doesn’t pay for all of the equipment and labor required to scale up these databases to ML-efficient size.

The most common funding mechanisms for researchers in this field reinforce the shortfall in data infrastructure investment. Project-based grants, like the NIH’s R01, are focused on specific research questions or outcomes. These grants usually have relatively short timelines (e.g., 3-5 years) and emphasize novel findings and publications as key metrics of success.

This emphasis on short-term project-based grants stems from a desire for measurable outcomes, accountability, and novelty. University tenure committees and academics themselves heavily weigh high-impact publications and grant funding. Building infrastructure, while valuable to the scientific community, typically generates fewer publications, is often seen as less prestigious or less interesting, and has more spillover benefits that aren’t credited. NIH program officers also want clear metrics of their impact, and the higher-ups need to convince Congress that they aren’t wasting billions of dollars by enforcing accountability of their funding decisions to those metrics. Accountability is easier with smaller projects that have a shorter gap between investment and return. Mistakes are less damaging when the funding amounts are small and more of the responsibility for funding decisions lies outside of the NIH, in expert external review panels. Another important metric targeted by the NIH is novelty. The NIH and its remit from Congress explicitly prizes novelty of research and its results. Internal and external calls for the NIH to pursue more “high-risk, high-reward” research reinforce this desire for discrete projects with novel designs over and above expansions of already established scientific techniques.

The million-peptide database project is not a high-risk high-reward experiment, or a counterintuitive result that can turn into a highly cited paper or patent. Instead, it’s a massive scale-up of established procedures for synthesizing and testing peptides that will be more expensive and time-consuming than a project-based grant and have a less legible connection to the metric of success tracked by academics, the NIH, and Congress.

The Solution: A Million-Peptide Database

The data problem facing peptide research is solvable with targeted investments in data infrastructure. We can make a million-peptide database

There are no significant scientific barriers to generating a 1,000x or 10,000x larger peptide dataset. Several high-throughput testing methods have been successfully demonstrated, with some screening as many as 800,000 peptide sequences and nearly doubling the number of unique antimicrobial peptides reported in publicly available databases. These methods will need to be scaled up, not only by testing more peptides, but also by testing them against different bacteria, checking for human toxicity, and testing other chemical properties, but scaling is an infrastructure problem, not a scientific one.

This strategy of targeted data infrastructure investments has three successful precedents: PubChem, the Human Genome Project, and ProteinDB.

The NIH’s PubChem is a database of 118 million small molecule chemical compounds that contains nearly 300 million biological tests of their activity, e.g. their toxicity or activity against bacteria. This project began in the early 2000s and was first released in 2004. More than the peptide database proposed here, PubChem is about aggregation and standardization rather than direct data creation. It combined existing databases, and invited academics to add new molecules to the collection. This was still incredibly useful to the chemistry research community. With a budget of $3 million a year, PubChem exceeded the size of the leading private molecule database from Advanced Chemistry Development by around 10,000x and made the data free. PubChem is credited with supporting a renaissance in machine learning for chemistry.

Another success is the Human Genome Project. This 13-year effort began in the early 1990s and cost about $3.8 billion. Unlike PubChem, the Human Genome Project couldn’t rely on collating existing data, and had to industrialize DNA sequencing to get through the 3 billion base pairs of human DNA in time. Over the course of the project, the per-base cost of DNA sequencing plummeted by ~100,000-fold. By 2011, sequencing machines could read about 250 billion bases in a week, compared to 25,000 in 1990 and 5 million in 2000. Before the HGP, gene therapies were less than 1% of clinical trials; today they comprise more than 16%, all building off the data infrastructure foundation laid by the project.

Perhaps the closest analog to the million-peptide database proposal is ProteinDB, a database of around 150,000 complex proteins and their 3D structure. This open data base began as a project of the Department of Energy’s Brookhaven laboratory in the early ‘70s and has evolved into an international scientific collaboration. ProteinDB is like PubChem, in that it has become the primary depository for protein structure discoveries, but it is also like the Human Genome Project in that it was paired with a large data generation program: the Protein Structure Initiative (PSI). The Protein Structure Initiative was a $764 million project funded by the U.S. National Institute of General Medical Sciences between 2000 and 2015. The PSI developed high-throughput methods for protein structure determination and contributed thousands of unique protein structures to the database. By 2006, PSI centers were responsible for about two-thirds of worldwide structural genomics output. The hundreds of thousands of detailed 3D protein structures in the databank were the essential training data behind the success of AlphaFold.

These projects cut against the NIH’s structural incentives for smaller, shorter, investigator-led grants, but they still succeeded. PubChem was housed within the National Library of Medicine, which already had a mandate for data infrastructure, and received dedicated funding through the NIH Common Fund rather than competing with R01s. It also managed some of the drawbacks of data infrastructure projects in legibility and credit assignment by creating clear metrics of success around database usage, downloads, and a formal citation mechanism for database entries. Similarly, the Protein Structure Initiative was funded through the National Center for Research Resources, another NIH division with an explicit focus on research infrastructure.

The Human Genome Project overcame its barriers through a strong presidential endorsement and dedicated Congressional funding that bypassed normal NIH processes. It sustained this political momentum by developing clear technical milestones, like cost per base pair, that could be evaluated without relying on traditional academic metrics.

Here’s how a scientific funder like the NIH can adapt the success of ProteinDB, the Protein Structure Initiative, PubChem, and the Human Genome Project to create a million-peptide database:

Like PubChem, start by merging and standardizing existing peptide datasets, and open them to all. This alone would be a big help for machine learning in peptide research. A researcher today who wants to use all available peptide data in their model has to collect dozens of files, interpret poorly documented variables, and filter everything into a standardized format. Hundreds of researchers are currently duplicating all of this work for their projects. Thousands of hours of their time could be saved if the NIH or NSF paid to organize this data once and for all and opened the results to all interested researchers. Setting a Schelling point for all future data additions would also help keep the data standardized as the dataset grows.

Collecting existing data won’t be nearly enough to get to a million-peptide database. The next step, like the Protein Structure Initiative and the Human Genome Project, is to industrialize peptide testing. Mass-produced protein synthesis and testing are already well-established techniques in the field, so this project won’t need any 100,000x advances in technology to succeed like the HGP did. A scientific funding organization like the NIH only needs to support scaling up these existing techniques. Researchers can already test tens or hundreds of thousands of peptides simultaneously.

Industrializing peptide testing is more complicated than the demonstrations in individual research papers, because we need to screen for lots of variables in addition to a single measure of anti-microbial activity as the above research projects are doing. We want to know about the peptide’s activity against a broad range of bacteria, viruses, fungi, and cancer cells, we want to know about the peptide’s effects on benign human cells or beneficial bacteria so it doesn’t do too much collateral damage, and we want to know about the peptides that failed to have any interesting effects so our machine learning models know what to avoid. For peptide testing to match the scale needed by machine learning models, it needs to be funded beyond the resources available for a single paper.

This effort requires a purpose-made grant from a scientific funding agency like the NIH or the NSF, not a standard PI-led research project. The focus here should not be papers, citations, or prestige; just data. With a grant like this, a million-peptide database is achievable well below the budget and timeline standard set by the Protein Structure Initiative and the Human Genome Project.

Retail custom proteins cost $5-$10 per amino acid. At an average peptide length of 20 amino acids, that’s around $200 per peptide. That cost is just for the synthesis, not all of the time and labor required for testing, so a reasonable upper bound on the cost of a million-peptide database is $350 million. Even this large upper bound cost is likely justified by the potential impact of antimicrobial peptides. The direct treatment costs for just six drug-resistant infections is around $4.6 billion annually in the US, with a far greater cost coming from the excess mortality and damaged health.

The actual cost is likely considerably less than this $350 million upper bound. Performing protein synthesis in house and in-bulk rather than buying retail can greatly reduce costs. Additionally, these synthesis costs are for the highest-quality resin synthesis. High throughput methods, like SPOT synthesis, can be less than 1% of the cost per peptide, and allow researchers to synthesize thousands of peptides at once. Clinical use of the tested peptides would probably require retesting them with more expensive, higher purity methods, but you’d only need to retest the few most promising candidates. For the purpose of supplying millions of data points to a machine learning model, the purity of this high throughput method is more than sufficient.

Other methods use mass-produced DNA plasmids to induce bacteria like E. Coli to produce peptides on long chains attached to their membrane which, if they’re antimicrobial, end up killing the host cell. Researchers can then blend up all of the E. Coli and check which of the DNA plasmids copied themselves and which did not. The plasmids that didn’t reproduce are the ones which encoded antimicrobial peptides and prevented their host bacteria from multiplying. This method allowed University of Texas researchers to test 800,000 peptides at once, at a cost significantly lower than any other high throughput testing method. The downside is that you never get to isolate the actual peptide from the bacterial culture, which limits the types of tests you can run. But scaling up this process could easily generate hundreds of thousands of peptide candidates with some verified anti-microbial activity that can then move on to more detailed tests.

The time required to build a million-peptide database is also reasonable, perhaps less than five years. A single researcher can synthesize 400 peptides on a 20×20 cm cellulose sheet in 6 days using SPOT synthesis and can probably perform tests for antimicrobial activity, human toxicity, and other traits in another week. With an automated pipetting machine the yield increases to 6-8 thousand peptides in the same six days. A rate of 8,000 peptides synthesized and tested every two weeks would get to a million peptides in 1,800 days, just under five years. Most importantly, almost all of these processes are highly parallelizable, so scaling up the number of peptides you want to test doesn’t necessarily increase the amount of time it takes if you can set up another researcher or pipetting machine working in parallel.

The failure of standard scientific incentives to fund the creation of the peptide database is solvable. A single concentrated effort over several years would lay a foundation for a machine learning renaissance in antimicrobial peptide research, as PubChem, the HGP, and ProteinDB did for their respective fields.

Conclusion

The specter of infectious disease that haunted humanity for millennia is threatening to return. Our century-long respite from the constant threat of deadly infections is at risk as antibiotic resistance spreads. Already, antibiotic-resistant infections claim over 1.2 million lives annually worldwide. Peptides, in dragon blood and human spit, have been nature’s first line of defense against these infections for millions of years. We can learn from and improve upon nature’s example, making new effective treatments for some of the world’s deadliest and intransigent diseases.

More than simply preserving the 20th century safety that antibiotics created, peptides can exceed the effectiveness and versatility of antibiotics. Peptides are just short proteins and proteins are the machinery of all living things. Peptides can thus help prevent not only bacterial infections, like antibiotics, but also viruses, fungal infections, and cancer. Peptides are also programmable and easy to manufacture. Once we figure out how the properties of a peptide change as we substitute different amino acid building blocks, we will be able to design, test, and mass manufacture new treatments within weeks, rather than the decades it takes for new antibiotics to come to market.

The path towards this future is clear. Machine learning prediction on the sequence of amino acids is a promising and tractable way to advance our understanding and control over the properties of antimicrobial peptides. The most difficult scientific bottlenecks with this strategy have been crossed; all we need now is scale.

That means we need data. The existing data infrastructure for antimicrobial peptides is tiny and scattered: a few thousand sequences with a couple of useful biological assays scattered across dozens of data providers. No one in science today has the incentives to create this data. Pharma companies can’t make money from it and researchers can’t get any splashy publications. This means researchers are duplicating expensive legwork collating and cleaning all of this data and are not getting optimal results as it’s simply not enough information to fully take advantage of the machine learning approach.

Scientific funding organizations like the NIH or the NSF can fix this problem. The scientific knowledge required to massively scale the data we have on antimicrobial peptides is well-established and ready to go. It wouldn’t be too expensive or take too long to get a clean dataset of a million peptides or more with detailed information on their activity against the most important resistant pathogens and its toxicity to human cells. This is well within the scale of successful projects that these organizations have funded in the past like PubChem, the HGP, and ProteinDB.

We can meet this challenge and solve it quickly if we target our resources towards building open data infrastructure that thousands of research projects will use. Let’s not wait while antibiotic-resistant pathogens get stronger.

https://www.macroscience.org/p/how-scientific-incentives-stalled


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Fascinating.