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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1500 on: January 06, 2019, 08:35:04 AM »
Clarification, that report is dated Oct 13, 2006.  Senator Obama voted for a border barrier then for the US southern border - just as he does now for his own, Washington DC residence.

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Minneapolis’ ‘Little Mogadishu’ 56% Increase Violent Crimes, Somali Gangs
« Reply #1502 on: January 07, 2019, 06:22:59 AM »
Minneapolis’ ‘Little Mogadishu’ Sees 56 Percent Increase in Violent Crimes Caused by Somali Gangs

http://tennesseestar.com/2019/01/02/minneapolis-little-mogadishu-sees-56-percent-increase-in-violent-crimes-caused-by-somali-gangs/
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Why are we bringing human trafficking Somali gangs and Somali terrorists to Minneapolis?

What could possibly go wrong?

In a high rise of public housing subsidies, no one questions what role welfare plays in the dysfunctional society ruled by gangs.

Instead we get Israel hating Ilhan Omar who married her brother to come here elected to Congress to represent Minneapolis ripping the Middle East's only democracy.
https://twitter.com/ilhanmn/status/269488770066313216?lang=en

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Lindsey good ally (when he wants to be )
« Reply #1503 on: January 11, 2019, 07:32:55 AM »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/01/11/wow-lindsey-graham-has-some-advice-for-trump-about-democrats-and-the-wall-n2538885

Agree no "deals"

they either put up or shut up and proceed with wall one way or other .

Time to stop giving in to the extortion


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1505 on: January 11, 2019, 04:04:07 PM »
"Hard line enforcement cuts illegal African migration to Europe to a trickle."

To the LEFT it makes no difference

"walls don't work"   when the evidence refutes this
then the answer is "there is no crises on the border"

when that doesn't make sense the answer is

"it is immoral or cruel to stop poor folks who are looking for a better life"

When even that does not work

"most illegals overstay their visas"

and then do not offer the obvious answer  to the question as to , why are you  not closing THAT  loophole d

Since in the words of Oprah , we can't die off fast enough we have to be overrun - one way or another.
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another Leftist argument
« Reply #1506 on: January 12, 2019, 07:17:11 AM »
courtesy of USA today :

no point in building wall because the illegals are building tunnels.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/amid-border-wall-debate-third-025943458.html

actually this is not new.  We have seen drug smuggling tunnels for many years,

The Left does not compromise.  If we don't stop compromising we will continue to lose
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Re: Immigration issues, tunnels
« Reply #1507 on: January 12, 2019, 12:36:27 PM »
Requiring the digging and re-digging of tunnels is one way of slowing them down, reducing the flow.  A barrier stops the massive caravans from attacking agents with rock throwing and mostly stops the flow families and infants and the deaths that have come from that.

A physical barrier is one big piece of the enforcement puzzle.  We will still need 24/7 surveillance, horizontally and vertically.   After the barrier is up we have to look for ladders and tunnels, ultralights and private planes, mini-tramps and pogo sticks.  See the Steve McQueen motorcycle jump in the Great Escape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccVu992CYE

I assume tunnels can be found with surveillance technology and efforts.  Listen to the ground and watch activity from above with drones and satellite imagery.  

Get the military involved if necessary.  How about if we have the US patrol both sides of the barrier if the government of Mexico will not cooperate.
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1508 on: January 12, 2019, 05:51:55 PM »
"Listen to the ground and watch activity from above with drones and satellite imagery"

the technology must be far greater then during WW1
in the trenches
listening for tunnels

we should deal with them now like we did then
or on the Pacific Islands in WW 2;  blast them shut or use flame throwers .

i would think that would put a near complete end to the bullshit

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Re: Immigration issues, tunnels
« Reply #1509 on: January 12, 2019, 06:24:36 PM »
Requiring the digging and re-digging of tunnels is one way of slowing them down, reducing the flow.  A barrier stops the massive caravans from attacking agents with rock throwing and mostly stops the flow families and infants and the deaths that have come from that.

A physical barrier is one big piece of the enforcement puzzle.  We will still need 24/7 surveillance, horizontally and vertically.   After the barrier is up we have to look for ladders and tunnels, ultralights and private planes, mini-tramps and pogo sticks.  See the Steve McQueen motorcycle jump in the Great Escape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccVu992CYE

I assume tunnels can be found with surveillance technology and efforts.  Listen to the ground and watch activity from above with drones and satellite imagery.  

Get the military involved if necessary.  How about if we have the US patrol both sides of the barrier if the government of Mexico will not cooperate.

Try digging a tunnel into a wealthy leftist's estate, see how far you get.


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Re: Immigration issues, physical barrier
« Reply #1511 on: January 15, 2019, 10:56:43 AM »
Photo from Drudge.  Imagine hiking along the Mexican side of the US/Mexico border and seeing this, or seeing open land with no fence or maybe just a ranchers fence.  Try to figure out in which scenario one a potential intruder might be more tempted to cross.  Or maybe you are border, which is safer for you and easier to defend?




Elsewhere in America in the rich elite suburbs or Wzashington DC I presume, Elizabeth Warren likes her iron fence with a big, beautiful gate.  If not the bad guys, I suppose it keeps the neighbors' kids out.
https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/01/GettyImages-1076221824.jpg
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The high water mark for immigration enforcement
« Reply #1513 on: January 20, 2019, 02:57:40 PM »
let alone reform.

This is it folks:

https://www.westernjournal.com/wapo-urges-pelosi-take-trumps-deal-pressure-splits-dem-leadership-others/

Nothing about visas overstaying
people walking or flying in to have babies
nothing to stop the extended family from being brought over
nothing about stopping people from hiring illegals
nothing about shipping out those who are here illegally
or "sanctuary " enclaves
the tying it up in courts for years

W already gave up and concluded we have to change and win the hearts ande minds of the entitlement crowd over to the Repub Party

The chance of that is infinitely small if not zero.


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To all rinos Mark Levin explains
« Reply #1514 on: January 26, 2019, 11:15:06 AM »


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Another one of the Mario's so virtuous kids
« Reply #1516 on: January 27, 2019, 06:03:08 AM »
offering *free* tuition to illegals:

due to stuff like this we have another 12,000 + already in another caravan coming north .  

OTOH this new illegal transfer of future low wage workers and democrats certainly sticks it to the MSM that , yes , we do have an emergency on our Southern border
and yes Trump needs to declare an emergency
and after the Obama appointed judge in Oregon or Hawaii or DC or San Francisco blocks it then get it up the SCOTUS asap.

Too bad RBG wasn't replaced yet.
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A bit of double speak in SOTU on immigration
« Reply #1517 on: February 07, 2019, 11:58:19 AM »
""Legal-good/illegal-bad is actually the default setting for mousy and irresolute Republican politicians: Demonstrate toughness to voters by demanding better enforcement, while swearing your allegiance to the continued importation of 1 million legal immigrants (and hundreds of thousands of “temporary” workers) every year, thus soothing employers looking for cheap labor and showing the New York Times how non-racist you are"

yup:


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/donald-trump-wants-increased-immigration/


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1519 on: February 14, 2019, 08:05:34 AM »
I'd rather this be kept in the Homeland Security thread.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1520 on: March 06, 2019, 11:37:51 AM »
Trump should just declare emergency and build the wall
If the legislative branch refuses to fix or enforce laws
then it is his job as chief law enforcement person to do so.

Yeah I know the Obama political activist judges will hold it up....  blah blah blah

Graham is holding hearing but as he points out Dems have no interest so nothing will come of it except as always a show for the the 10 % of the media on our side to play and the 90 % on the other side to ignore , deny , obfuscate and spin.

and the crises continues

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they illegals pour in thanks to lower courts activism. Dan Horowitz
« Reply #1521 on: March 11, 2019, 12:31:55 PM »
Everyone in the world simply come in and make a claim - get release into the country - and you in.


https://www.conservativereview.com/news/everyone-sleeps-courts-abolishing-immigration-enforcement/

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Does he still get to vote?
« Reply #1522 on: March 13, 2019, 02:23:54 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/380204.php

Because that's what is important to the left.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1523 on: March 13, 2019, 09:47:37 PM »
 :cry: :cry: :cry: :x :x :x :x :x :x

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1524 on: April 03, 2019, 05:28:11 AM »
Julian Castro: Decriminalize immigration.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/04/02/julin-castro-unveils-plan-decriminalize-illegal-immigration-grant-citizenship-path-millions

Doug:  Stop committing immigration crimes.  The laws are in place for a reason.

"Illegals" commit one crime when they come in and a second crime when 92% don't show up for their court date.  Another potential crime is that many or most have paid money to illegal border gangs to secure their entry.  Presenting false ID is a fourth crime committed by people "who have done nothing wrong".  Just living by the laws of where you come from, cf. Somali female genital mutilation, is another issue.  Bringing in previously eradicated public health risks is yet another reason for immigration laws and enforcement.

Leftists / Dems resent the term shitholes when a leader allegedly utters it but consider these places all unlivable every time someone tries to flee them.

Trump has hit 50% Hispanic approval in two polls.  Border enforcement will begin when actual Hispanic vote goes 51% Republican.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-50-hispanic-voters-approve-of-trump-gop-regains-ballot-lead
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-everything-president-1497644182-htmlstory.html

Visa overstays are another part of it.  Isn't that where the 9/11 hijackers came from?

Borderless anti-sovereignty Leftists turn moderates like me into MAGA hat sympathizing zealots.
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Byron York today:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-how-bad-does-border-have-to-be-for-democrats-to-admit-its-an-emergency
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Glenn Beck:  Chicago Marxists are Pulling the Strings on the Attack on our Border

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD7XgFaCpdk


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Immigration percentages
« Reply #1530 on: April 17, 2019, 10:37:21 AM »
"They're not criminals", the Left maintains.  Yet:

1.  They broke the law by coming in.  Strike one.
2.  In many cases they did business with the criminal gangs that in fact control the border.  Strike two.
3.  They falsely claim asylum.  85% of those claiming asylum are not deemed eligible for asylum.  Strike three.
4.  92% of those who awaiting their hearing disappear and don't show up for their hearing. 
5.  Of the illegals transported in to stay with family already here, 76% of those households already house illegals.
6.  Of the so-called families coming in, thousands of children have admitted to border agents the man claiming it's his family is not their father.

I heard these from good sources but many are disputed by politiFact and others.  This is an area where google search bias makes it nearly impossible to find information not in line with the narrative. I would like to get accurate numbers and good source links on all of this.  Doug

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1531 on: April 17, 2019, 01:22:22 PM »
"1.  They broke the law by coming in.  Strike one.
2.  In many cases they did business with the criminal gangs that in fact control the border.  Strike two."

True, but of little persuasive power with the mindset here that is the fundamental problem.  How to get through?  Tucker Carlson sometimes focuses with questions: How many do you think should come in?  Is there a number which is too many for you?  Why?  Do you know how many we legally let in?  Should we choose those who benefit America or something else?

"3.  They falsely claim asylum.  85% of those claiming asylum are not deemed eligible for asylum.  Strike three."

I thought the number was 95%, but how to deal with the Due Process argument that until they are determined not admisable they get to stay?  What about the Ninth's creation of habeas corpus for illegals?!?

"4.  92% of those who awaiting their hearing disappear and don't show up for their hearing."

Ask this:  What do you think should be done about this?
 
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"6.  Of the so-called families coming in, thousands of children have admitted to border agents the man claiming it's his family is not their father."

"I heard these from good sources but many are disputed by politiFact and others.  This is an area where google search bias makes it nearly impossible to find information not in line with the narrative. I would like to get accurate numbers and good source links on all of this.  Doug"

Very important point!!!

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1532 on: April 17, 2019, 02:07:43 PM »
Anyone think they work so hard to hide the information on illegals because it validates their positions?



"1.  They broke the law by coming in.  Strike one.
2.  In many cases they did business with the criminal gangs that in fact control the border.  Strike two."

True, but of little persuasive power with the mindset here that is the fundamental problem.  How to get through?  Tucker Carlson sometimes focuses with questions: How many do you think should come in?  Is there a number which is too many for you?  Why?  Do you know how many we legally let in?  Should we choose those who benefit America or something else?

"3.  They falsely claim asylum.  85% of those claiming asylum are not deemed eligible for asylum.  Strike three."

I thought the number was 95%, but how to deal with the Due Process argument that until they are determined not admisable they get to stay?  What about the Ninth's creation of habeas corpus for illegals?!?

"4.  92% of those who awaiting their hearing disappear and don't show up for their hearing."

Ask this:  What do you think should be done about this?
 
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"6.  Of the so-called families coming in, thousands of children have admitted to border agents the man claiming it's his family is not their father."

"I heard these from good sources but many are disputed by politiFact and others.  This is an area where google search bias makes it nearly impossible to find information not in line with the narrative. I would like to get accurate numbers and good source links on all of this.  Doug"

Very important point!!!




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disease from the immigrants coming north
« Reply #1536 on: April 24, 2019, 07:40:58 PM »
Why now after hundreds of years:

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/health/2019/04/23/remember-kissing-bug-cdc-confirms-one-found-delaware/3548857002/

CDC will do the politically correct and not the health correct thing here.


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1538 on: May 03, 2019, 06:27:27 AM »
"""https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-parents-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/?fbclid=IwAR2JTL6f5duyPT10rOcJpsZ2iK8ysQHULgZJKfQkr6IZ91HTPGXfMPydRgo"""

they ain't going to get that south of the border
does the phrase anchor babies mean anything or is that simply racist hate speech?

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1539 on: May 09, 2019, 06:59:19 PM »
Hey ccp,. They are building the wall as we speak.  )

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-now-money-256-202612485.html

And preparing for the fight against a one judge injunction.
https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-now-money-256-202612485.html
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1540 on: May 10, 2019, 05:25:02 AM »
" . Hey ccp,. They are building the wall as we speak.  )

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-now-money-256-202612485.html

And preparing for the fight against a one judge injunction.
https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-now-money-256-202612485.html"

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We read of daily records being set of the number people flooding the border

ZERO! anything   being done to stem the tide of visa overstays - not even talked about and the media of course , like good Democrat soldiers ignore it .

report 1% of the entire population of Guatemala arrived to US  just since September!

EVen Nicky Haley headline telling how great unlimited immigration is good for us!!!!

State after state being turned blue

Trump is trying in his clumsy way but that is it.



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Trump to unveil an immigration "plan" today
« Reply #1541 on: May 16, 2019, 06:09:38 AM »
unveiling of the Jarod's (documented as the genius *) plan today:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/16/donald-trump-unveils-2020-immigration-plan-on-thursday/

*  Nicki Halley;  2018;   [who incidentally thinks we need open borders; 2019 news report]

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Re: Trump to unveil an immigration "plan" today
« Reply #1542 on: May 16, 2019, 07:08:13 AM »
Better than illegal immigration.
We need skilled workers.
Identifies workers in the trades, not gender studies and social justice majors.
More likely to assimilate when they come from all over.
Bureaucracy will slow the flow.
Allows Trump to beat the anti-immigrant charge, and build the wall.
Helps Trump win reelection.
It won't pass anyway.


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1543 on: May 16, 2019, 07:30:24 AM »
" .It won't pass anyway.  "

not through a Dem Congress

I have not seen the details of this plan.
the meat is in the details .

That is why I am totally suspicious of Schiestre Schumer "supporting Trump's tariffs against the Chinese communist tyrants.)
   he must be praying it slows the economy and causes a crash or separates farmers and others to get pissed at Trump
prior to the election .   Schumer is that big of a partisan prick as we all know.

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immigrants to be "dumped" in California not Florida
« Reply #1544 on: May 20, 2019, 07:31:12 AM »
I am totally confused as to what this is all about from the start.  I thought we are keeping illegals out not busing them around.

https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-administration-no-plans-send-migrants-florida/

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DNA testing reveals a THIRD of migrants faked family relationship
« Reply #1545 on: May 20, 2019, 08:34:47 AM »
DNA testing reveals a THIRD of migrants faked family relationship
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7045351/Rapid-DNA-testing-reveals-migrants-faked-family-relationship-kids.html

Leftists rush to re-unite gang members with their hostage children.

The status quo at the border is humane?  For whom?

When you have no fence around your swimming pool you are liable for trespasser drownings.  Attract nuisance law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1546 on: May 20, 2019, 08:38:11 AM »
watch , if trump gets abortion ban exception for rape or incest
the allegations of rape will sky rocket.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1547 on: May 20, 2019, 11:10:55 AM »
That belongs in the Abortion thread please.


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some caravan funding from US and GB
« Reply #1549 on: June 06, 2019, 03:58:20 PM »