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Walter Russell Mead: Putin going Grozny & Aleppo
« Reply #450 on: March 09, 2022, 03:49:18 AM »
Would like to see some coverage by sources we have heard of , , ,


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Putin’s War Will Get Uglier
He won’t give up power without giving repression every chance to succeed.

By Walter Russell Mead
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March 7, 2022 6:12 pm ET


Vladimir Putin is beginning to understand the immense difficulty of the war he cavalierly launched in Ukraine. He knows now that his corrupt and time-serving generals lied to him about the effectiveness of the military machine they had built. He knows that the flattering “experts” who reinforced his prejudices about the weakness of Ukrainian national identity were talking through their hats. He knows that even German fecklessness has limits and that Americans still know how to fight cold wars. He has no illusions now about the power of Western economic sanctions, and he knows that families all over Russia will soon be mourning their sons as the death toll mounts in Ukraine.


He is no doubt dismayed by the cascade of bad news but appears determined to fight on. This should not surprise us. Mr. Putin also knows that his future in power, his freedom and quite possibly his life depend on the outcome of this war.

And there is something else he knows, or thinks he knows, that many in the West discount. Westerners and especially Americans believe that freedom always wins in the end. That implies Mr. Putin will fail in Ukraine and Putinism will ultimately fail in Russia because that is the way history works.

From where Mr. Putin sits in the Kremlin, however, history seems to teach a different lesson. The empire of the czars was not built on freedom, nor did freedom result when it fell. The Soviet Union that rose from the ruins of Romanov power was not based on the idea of human freedom. Stalin wasn’t deposed by Russians hungry for freedom; he died in bed. The feeble liberals who tried to introduce Western-style democracy into post-Soviet Russia were soon sidelined in the power struggles of the Yeltsin era. Mr. Putin simply does not think that “freedom always wins” and his likely reaction to the failure of his initial strategy for the absorption of Ukraine into his domain will be to double down on repression.

We should not underestimate the power of his belief in the efficacy of the iron fist. He has seen it work in Tibet, Xinjiang and, most recently, Hong Kong. Mr. Putin knows how ugly and effective the process of restoring Bashar al-Assad’s rule across most of Syria has been. He notes that Nicolás Maduro still rules Venezuela, that the Castroite state retains its hold on Cuba, and that North Korea has defied decades of American sanctions. He recalls last year’s democratic rising in Belarus, and he remembers how easy it was for Alexander Lukashenko to crush it. Mr. Putin is unlikely to give up his ambitions in Ukraine, much less his power in Moscow, without giving repression every chance to succeed.


We should not delude ourselves about how far Mr. Putin could go. Since the outbreak of the war, he has been cracking down in Russia—closing the last remnants of a free press, arresting critics and tightening the laws against protest and dissent. But the Soviet era saw much more totalitarian controls and much greater terror than anything that exists in Russia today.

Would Mr. Putin rebuild the Gulag Archipelago and re-create the terror through which Stalin ruled Ukraine? If the alternative is to flee Moscow in disgrace and pass the remaining years of his life as a state pensioner in China, he will almost certainly move in that direction. Mr. Putin cemented his hold on power by deploying ruthless violence against civilians in Grozny to crush the Chechen drive for independence. Why would he yield power without using every available method to hold on?

The question is whether he can succeed. On the one hand, Mr. Putin’s state and the Russian bureaucracy today lack the ideological commitment and the experience of civil war that made Stalin’s Communist Party such an effective instrument of mass repression and terror. Today’s security agency, the FSB, is less powerful than the KGB, much less is it a match for the NKVD of Stalin’s time. There is also a question of how far into the darkness Mr. Putin’s allies are ready to travel with him.

Yet the technologies deployed across China under Xi Jinping make repression and social control much easier than ever. It is in any case easier to build an effective police state than to build a modern army, and the men who enabled Mr. Putin’s march into Ukraine may well continue to support him as he marches deeper into the Russian past.

Mr. Putin’s political career demonstrates three unwavering commitments: to his personal power, to the expansion of Russia, and to the superiority of authoritarian society over the liberal West. Unfortunately for the Russian and Ukrainian peoples, these principles will likely shape his decisions in the days and weeks to come.
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Background on Uke bio facilities
« Reply #451 on: March 09, 2022, 04:40:07 AM »
A lot of OMG is floating around regarding "US bio-labs in Ukraine".  This 2005 document gives background.

The Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program was intended to remediate a growing problem that stemmed from the collapse of the USSR.  Scientists in the former Soviet labs had lost salaries, etc. and some were flowing bio materials and other WMD-related stuff into the black economy. Jihadis were quite interested in how they might use those things.

So CTR funded labs for ex-Soviet scientists outside of Russia proper, with an eye to bio-defense.  I can't speak to anything that happened after, say, 2014 or so, but that was the origin and purpose of the "US bio-labs" whose existence is a hot social media meme today.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005-10/threat-reduction-program-extends-reach-ukrainian-biological-facilities

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Re: Zelinsky just a puppet, not a hero
« Reply #452 on: March 09, 2022, 06:57:29 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500350719639101441

Losing, not winning. At great price.

Elsewhere today on the forum, "If America Is Ever Invaded, You Must Take Up Arms and Fight".  - Charles C.W. Cooke

But when the time comes, you will be told to "accept reality".

Head of Ukraine should surrender, we are told, lay down arms, "accept reality", agree to all Russian terms, because that is best anyway. You'll be "neutral" as a Russian puppet, assuming they let you live.

The invading force is 'surrounding resistance and annihilating it'.  But when it comes here, we will shoot our way out of it?

I say, stop evil sooner.  It's already picking up steam. 

To Zelinsky, America isn't coming. Give up.

In the end, there is no America coming for us either. Retreat isn't going to get us out of this.
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Was Russia promised no NATO eastward?
« Reply #453 on: March 09, 2022, 07:18:17 AM »
Some interesting, detailed history from someone who was at there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4C08m3JOY

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This gets to the essence
« Reply #454 on: March 09, 2022, 07:23:56 AM »

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Re: Background on Uke bio facilities
« Reply #455 on: March 09, 2022, 07:30:22 AM »
Gain of function? I’m sure that if the USG assures us that everything was aboveboard, that’s sufficient!



A lot of OMG is floating around regarding "US bio-labs in Ukraine".  This 2005 document gives background.

The Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program was intended to remediate a growing problem that stemmed from the collapse of the USSR.  Scientists in the former Soviet labs had lost salaries, etc. and some were flowing bio materials and other WMD-related stuff into the black economy. Jihadis were quite interested in how they might use those things.

So CTR funded labs for ex-Soviet scientists outside of Russia proper, with an eye to bio-defense.  I can't speak to anything that happened after, say, 2014 or so, but that was the origin and purpose of the "US bio-labs" whose existence is a hot social media meme today.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005-10/threat-reduction-program-extends-reach-ukrainian-biological-facilities


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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #456 on: March 09, 2022, 07:37:05 AM »
GM:

He is giving the previously unknown to me origin of this.

That is very valuable to know.

Keep in mind that with the War with Islamic Fascism starting in 2001 that the logic of keeping these evil people on OUR payroll continued to apply.

He clearly states he does not vouch for the last eight years.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #457 on: March 09, 2022, 08:06:25 AM »
You’ll note how the narrative changed from “Ukraine bio labs are a conspiracy theory!” To “Oh, those labs! Nothing to worry about!”. Given the very recent unpunished criminality of our USG public health officials, I trust them as much as I trust the Russians.


GM:

He is giving the previously unknown to me origin of this.

That is very valuable to know.

Keep in mind that with the War with Islamic Fascism starting in 2001 that the logic of keeping these evil people on OUR payroll continued to apply.

He clearly states he does not vouch for the last eight years.




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Re: The idiots in DC have decided they want WWIII
« Reply #461 on: March 09, 2022, 12:04:55 PM »
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/101/079/772/original/1e14ab8638f3db01.jpg



https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-blob-wants-war.html

Plan and/or pray accordingly.

From Joe Kent(Currently running for Congress):


Dear Friend,

The establishment wants to lead us into war (again).
The narrative out of Washington, DC feels very similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. We have politicians, members of Congress, now echoing the messaging of Joe Biden’s State of the Union address about building a “coalition” of allies against Russia. Then, they vote to express “solidarity” with Ukraine, laying out ways they can further provoke Russia.

Instead of lawmakers like Jaime Herrera Beutler warmongering and conducting pointless photo ops behind Ukrainian-colored American flags, we need to demand that Joe Biden consult Congress so those who represent the American people can vigorously debate any escalations of force.

The American people want to know what’s on the table and want to have a say, and Congress alone has the power to declare war—but Joe Biden and the establishment across both parties don’t want them to.

It’s easy for them to talk a big talk in DC and act tough on the world stage. But at the end of the day, they have completely incapacitated our domestic energy production and our leverage in dealing with Russia. They’re willing to put our national security in danger, even if it means striking oil deals with despotic governments like Venezuela.

There is nothing but incompetence and weak leadership coming out of our nation’s capital, and that’s a very dangerous combination. It’s time for us, the American people, to have a say in our national security—because no one benefits from war.

Why does his perspective matter?

https://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-545-joe-kent-special-forces-veteran-and-gold-star-husband/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/03/22/feature/navy-cryptologist-shannon-kent-who-died-in-an-isis-suicide-attack-in-syria-was-torn-between-family-and-duty/

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #462 on: March 09, 2022, 02:28:19 PM »
If Russia took Alaska back, that's the only way we could buy oil from ANWR.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #463 on: March 09, 2022, 02:36:04 PM »
If Russia took Alaska back, that's the only way we could buy oil from ANWR.

Don’t give Mordor on the Potomac any ideas.

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Re GM's Reply 461
« Reply #464 on: March 09, 2022, 04:21:24 PM »
And this is what it looks like as it gathers momentum:

PS: The WSJ fails to mention Sec State Blinken's "green light" which kicked off this interaction.


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NATO’s Polish MiG Fiasco
The White House divides the alliance and signals weakness by refusing to let Warsaw send fighter jets to Ukraine.
By The Editorial Board
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March 9, 2022 6:45 pm ET

The U.S. and Europe have shown impressive cohesion since Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, which makes this week’s fiasco over delivering Poland’s MiG fighters to Kyiv so damaging. The message to Mr. Putin is that his intimidation works and NATO can be divided.

On Tuesday Poland said it could transfer around two dozen MIG-29 jet fighters to a U.S. base in Germany, and then to Ukraine, whose pilots can fly the Soviet-era planes with minimal training. On Sunday Secretary of State Antony Blinken had said the U.S. was working with the Poles on the issue and would try to “backfill anything that they provide to the Ukrainians.” Yet Washington later claimed surprise at Poland’s proposal.

“The decision about whether to transfer Polish-owned planes to Ukraine is ultimately one for the Polish government,” said a Pentagon spokesman in a statement late Tuesday. “The prospect of fighter jets ‘at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America’ departing from a U.S. NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance.” He added that the plan lacked “substantive rationale” and was not “tenable.”

Untenable how? After a NATO no-fly zone, which the alliance has refused, the MiGs are Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s top request. The jets won’t decide the war, but his generals must think they’d help if only to deny Russia control of the skies. Any Russian artillery batteries or jets taken off the battlefield could save Ukrainian lives.

What happened between Mr. Blinken’s endorsement and the Pentagon’s rejection? It’s hard not to conclude that the White House blinked for fear of provoking Mr. Putin, who is demanding that the West stop arming Ukraine.

But NATO countries are already sending all sorts of weapons into Ukraine. Is a Polish MiG with a Ukrainian pilot somehow more provocative than a Turkish drone or an American antitank missile? Transferring planes isn’t the same as NATO aviators directly shooting down Russian jets.

Mr. Putin calls anything beyond Western acquiescence and Ukraine’s surrender a provocation. And NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg felt obliged to warn Mr. Putin Tuesday that a Russian attack on supply lines in alliance territory would trigger a collective response: “We are removing any room for miscalculation, misunderstanding about our commitment to defend every inch of NATO territory.”

Poland—which shares a border with Russia, Belarus and Ukraine—doesn’t want the transfer of planes directly to Ukraine from its territory to be perceived as a unilateral provocation. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Wednesday that the decision “must be unanimous and unequivocally taken by all of the North Atlantic Alliance.”

On Wednesday U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin formally nixed the MiG transfer to Ukraine. The failure of Team Biden to back up Warsaw is a failure of U.S. leadership.

There is risk of escalation in any war, and needless provocations should be avoided. But the risk of giving Mr. Putin a veto over NATO actions is that it undermines the credibility of deterrence. As Mr. Putin’s frustration grows, he is bombing cities, and Wednesday bombed a maternity hospital. The death toll is rising.

As he escalates, will he use chemical weapons or tactical nukes? Will NATO refuse to respond then because it fears World War III? The MiG mistake may let Mr. Putin believe his threats will make NATO stand down.

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Stratfor: Unpacking Denazification of Ukraine
« Reply #465 on: March 10, 2022, 03:34:33 AM »
For the record, what he means by Far Right is unclear to me:
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Unpacking Putin's 'Denazification' of Ukraine and My Forecasting Failure
undefined and Stratfor Director of Global Security Analysts at RANE
Sam Lichtenstein
Stratfor Director of Global Security Analysts at RANE, Stratfor
12 MIN READMar 9, 2022 | 21:01 GMT





A photo taken at a Moscow metro station on March 1, 2022, shows a mosaic panel depicting the liberation of Kyiv by Russia's Red Army in 1943.
A photo taken at a Moscow metro station on March 1, 2022, shows a mosaic panel depicting the liberation of Kyiv by Russia's Red Army in 1943.

(ALEXANDER NEMENOV/AFP via Getty Images)

Author's Note: Last week, my colleague wrote why he was wrong about Ukraine. This week, it's my turn. I was also wrong about Ukraine. I thought the Russians would formalize their de facto control of the separatist republics in eastern Ukraine's Donbas region and perhaps grab a bit more territory in the surrounding areas (and near the Crimean Peninsula, which they had already annexed). But I did not think Russia would launch a full-scale invasion. In retrospect, there were many reasons for my analytic failure — not least of which was underestimating Russian President Vladimir Putin's risk tolerance. But one key indicator I undervalued was Putin's focus on the supposed need to ''denazify'' Ukraine in advance of the invasion. Had I given more weight to that variable, I may have forecast differently. Below is an initial review of what ''denazification'' means in this context, how I misjudged the importance of Putin's use of this phrase, and why the choice of this language is so concerning for global security and stability.

Putin's Misdeed: Misusing History
In his Feb. 24 address announcing Russia's ''special military operation'' in Ukraine, Putin offered many justifications for the war, but by far the most direct was the following:

''The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.''

It was a dramatic (and, for many reasons, inherently flawed) allegation that took many observers by surprise, although it was not the first time Putin and other senior officials had leveled variations of this accusation, albeit less explicitly. Perhaps most importantly and prominently, in his controversial July 2021 article ''On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians,'' Putin repeatedly linked the modern Ukrainian state to Nazism, going so far as to accuse the government in Kyiv of creating ''a climate of fear in Ukrainian society, aggressive rhetoric, indulging neo-Nazis, and militarizing the country.'' In retrospect, it appears that Putin was laying the ideological groundwork for the line of argumentation that he and other Russian leaders would repeatedly reference in the intervening eight months. In various iterations, they warned that Ukraine's government was supposedly led by fascists intent on subjugating, if not outright conducting genocide against, ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. In turn, this meant it was incumbent on Russia to defend these peoples — with force, if deemed necessary.

No matter how absurd this argument may seem to most outsiders (for the record, there is absolutely no evidence of mass attacks against ethnic Russians), Russian leaders were able to manipulate elements of truth from Ukrainian society to build and propagate a self-serving narrative. To be sure, Ukraine, like many countries (including Russia) has a right-wing extremist problem, both historically and contemporarily. World War II-era Ukrainian nationalist leaders like Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych and Yaroslav Stetsko remain widely seen as national heroes despite their Nazi sympathies and collaboration. More recently, far-right nationalists like Andriy Biletsky, Serhiy Sternenko and Dmytro Yarosh have made a name for themselves not only by standing up to Russian influence, but for their connections with right-wing violence and extremist groups as well. Meanwhile, ultranationalist political parties like Svoboda operate both as regional outfits and at a national level in Ukraine. Avowed neo-Nazi fighters from groups like the Azov Battalion have also integrated into the Ukrainian armed forces and/or continue to operate in separate paramilitary groups.

Despite their bluster, however, far-right nationalists as a whole (and neo-Nazis more specifically) have minimal influence in Ukraine's national politics or mainstream society. When Ukrainian ultranationalist political parties joined forces with Svoboda to jointly contest 2019 parliamentary elections, they won barely over 2% of the vote; this was even less than in 2014 and fell short of the 5% threshold to even secure a parliamentary seat through a combined party list (while Svoboda on its own only won one constituency). As for Azov, even the largest estimates put the number of its fighters in the low thousands — a figure dwarfed by the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian military personnel and volunteers who have recently joined to defend their country. While any level of right-wing extremism is clearly problematic for the government in Kyiv, it thus hardly amounts to the supposed existential neo-Nazi threat that Russian leaders have made it out to be.

In retrospect, I should have seen this more assertive Russian rhetoric not as merely a lever of influence to try to gain concessions, but instead as a statement of intent.





Ukraine is also hardly the only country with a history of Nazi collaboration during World War II. Many European countries, perhaps none more so than Germany itself, routinely announce investigations into far-right extremists in official posts. In Germany, the far-right Alternative for Germany party (some of whose regional branches and individual members have been linked to extremism) holds at least some political sway, but no one would accuse the government in Berlin of being led by neo-Nazis. Similarly, in Russia, Putin himself exploits grassroots support from far-right nationalists such as Alexander Dugin and Konstantin Malofeev, as well as groups like the Izborsk Club — some of whom and which could easily be labeled neo-Nazis, even if they don't call themselves such.

While right-wing extremist activity in Ukraine is deeply troubling, it is by no means unique to the country, and to argue that today's government in Kyiv is led by neo-Nazis strains serious logic. In their effort to portray Ukrainian society as something akin to a reincarnation of the Third Reich, Russian leaders have grossly exaggerated the significance of right-wing extremism in Ukraine while ignoring the many countervailing forces in the country. And perhaps that is precisely why I discounted Russian neo-Nazi rhetoric in the run-up to the invasion: to me, it just seemed too ridiculous. But even if it appeared that way to me, it was not to Russian leaders, who — whether they truly believed it or not — were building a case for war with the need to ''denazify'' Ukraine as a primary justification.

My Error: Prioritizing Precedent Over New Information

What should have spurred me to adjust my forecast was Putin's Feb. 21 announcement formally recognizing eastern Ukraine's self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk republics as independent states, which enabled Russia to officially station troops in the two territories controlled pro-Russian separatists for military action against Ukraine several days later. In that speech, Putin again escalated his neo-Nazi accusations, saying that ethnic Russians in those territories faced the risk of genocide ''because these people did not agree with the West-supported coup in Ukraine in 2014 and opposed the transition towards the Neanderthal and aggressive nationalism and neo-Nazi which have been elevated in Ukraine to the rank of national policy.''

Hours before his address, Putin's national security leadership team had already said as much to justify Putin's decision, with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov castigating the West by noting ''the fact that [Western leaders] are now trying to prop up an overtly neo-Nazi, Banderite regime in Kyiv is also a manifestation of genocide,'' and that ''in both cases [referring back to the Western-backed independence of Kosovo from pro-Russian Serbian control in 2008], this is an attack against Slavs, against Orthodox Christians, and in Ukraine's case, against everything Russian.''

There was absolutely no evidence of any threat of genocide, but this extreme historical revisionism enabled Putin to portray himself as a liberator, rather than a conqueror (at least to his domestic audience). It also enabled Putin to appeal to his re-engineered version of history in which the modern Russian state denies that the Soviet Union was ever a Nazi collaborator, but instead acted only as a liberator in helping to free eastern Europeans from Nazi occupation, ignoring the Soviet domination that then replaced it.

In claiming ethnic Russians were under threat in Ukraine and then using force to adjust borders, it is Putin who much more closely resembles a certain World War II-era fascist dictator.





From my perspective, this was all absurd, but it was from the same playbook that Putin had previously used — and therefore I mistakenly fit my forecast of what would happen next into the mental model of past Russian behavior. Indeed, Putin justified his 2014 military offensive in Ukraine on the same grounds that ethnic Russians were under threat from the government in Kyiv — the same charge Putin leveled at Georgia's government in 2008 when Russian troops invaded the country ostensibly to protect ethnic Russians in border areas. In both the 2014 Ukraine offensive and the 2008 Georgia invasion, Russian military activity took place beyond the primary territorial disputes (most notably, with the Russian annexation of the Crimean Peninsula in Ukraine — a clear and pure land grab as the territory was separate from the eastern Donbas region where Russian troops were supposedly intervening to protect the local population). However, in neither of these cases did the Russian military expand major operations across the entirety of either country with the goal of regime change. Instead, Russian troops carried out fairly short campaigns (just five days in the case of Georgia) with limited goals of capturing certain territories.

But Ukraine in 2022 was not Ukraine in 2014 or Georgia in 2008. It was one thing for Russian leaders to claim ethnic Russians were being persecuted, but it was quite another to essentially label the Ukrainian government as being led by neo-Nazis hellbent on mass violence. The alleged persecution of ethnic Russians in Ukraine could have still been used to justify a Russian military incursion, but not necessarily anything more; by contrast, the existential threat of a neighboring government being run by warmongering extremists inherently required more aggressive action. No matter how twisted, in the Russian narrative, it would be impossible to level those charges at the Ukrainian state without seeking to fundamentally change the regime — a much more expansive goal than merely intervening to ostensibly protect ethnic Russians. In retrospect, I should have seen this more assertive Russian rhetoric not as merely a lever of influence to try to gain concessions, but as a statement of intent. Russian leaders were preparing for a much larger campaign this time around, but in my analysis, I was giving much more weight to Moscow's older playbook than I should have.

The Dangers of Putin's 'Denazification' Myth

The signals I missed of course became clear in Putin's Feb. 24 speech announcing the Russian military action — which, no matter how he and state propaganda have characterized it, has been shown over the past two weeks to be nothing less than a full-scale invasion of the country with the apparent goal of regime change in Kyiv. In Putin's address, he further manipulated World War II-era history to fit his current objectives, even going so far as to make this cynical appeal to Ukrainian soldiers:

''Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today's neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people's adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.''

Clearly, Putin had moved beyond what more limited goals of territorial control he may have once had to more maximalist objectives. The tragic outcome of that shift has been seen over the past two weeks, with further suffering expected in Ukraine and a cascade of worldwide ripple effects that are only beginning to be fully appreciated. Understandably lost amid these developments has been much of the historical revisionism that was central to Russia's justification for war. Russian troops have trampled on not only Ukrainian sovereignty, but history. It should not be lost on anyone that, in claiming ethnic Russians were under threat and then using force to adjust borders, Putin is the one who much more closely resembles a certain World War II-era fascist dictator who made similar claims about ethnic Germans.

If we cannot agree on the past, we should prepare for a more turbulent future.





It is frequently said that the victors get to write the first draft of history, but in this case, history is being completely rewritten to fit self-serving objectives. While the violent manifestation of that is seen most clearly in Ukraine today, what is to stop Russia from doing the same in a place like Moldova — another country with a pro-Russian separatist region supposedly under threat from the government in Chisinau? And looking elsewhere, China's leaders also indulge in the same sort of widespread historical manipulation that could one day provoke conflict, as do a host of tin-pot dictators who can stir up plenty of regional trouble with fantasies of righting supposed historical wrongs. In short, if we cannot agree on the past and accept revisionist views of history, we should prepare for a more turbulent future.

A world of increasingly frequent and impactful disruptions means that, as an analyst, I must remember the lessons I am taking away from my mistaken Ukraine forecast. Chiefly, this means not merely adding new information into a preexisting mental model of the most likely scenario, but instead routinely reevaluating the likelihood of the baseline scenario itself in light of new information. Even if brief, there was a moment between Putin's Feb. 21 announcement to recognize eastern Ukraine's separatist regions and his Feb. 24 address to announce the invasion where I had that opportunity to recalibrate my assessment. And while I may have missed it, I am pleased to say that some of my colleagues were more prepared. Having an analytic team that constantly questions assumptions and offers diverse (and, yes, divergent) views with well-reasoned arguments is crucial, as forecasting is always more effective when it takes into account various perspectives. When the next question about the potential for conflict escalation inevitably emerges — be it from Russia, China or another country — I know I'll be even more prepared to answer it.
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https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-blob-wants-war.html

Plan and/or pray accordingly.

From Joe Kent(Currently running for Congress):


Dear Friend,

The establishment wants to lead us into war (again).
The narrative out of Washington, DC feels very similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. We have politicians, members of Congress, now echoing the messaging of Joe Biden’s State of the Union address about building a “coalition” of allies against Russia. Then, they vote to express “solidarity” with Ukraine, laying out ways they can further provoke Russia.

Instead of lawmakers like Jaime Herrera Beutler warmongering and conducting pointless photo ops behind Ukrainian-colored American flags, we need to demand that Joe Biden consult Congress so those who represent the American people can vigorously debate any escalations of force.

The American people want to know what’s on the table and want to have a say, and Congress alone has the power to declare war—but Joe Biden and the establishment across both parties don’t want them to.

It’s easy for them to talk a big talk in DC and act tough on the world stage. But at the end of the day, they have completely incapacitated our domestic energy production and our leverage in dealing with Russia. They’re willing to put our national security in danger, even if it means striking oil deals with despotic governments like Venezuela.

There is nothing but incompetence and weak leadership coming out of our nation’s capital, and that’s a very dangerous combination. It’s time for us, the American people, to have a say in our national security—because no one benefits from war.

Why does his perspective matter?

https://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-545-joe-kent-special-forces-veteran-and-gold-star-husband/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/03/22/feature/navy-cryptologist-shannon-kent-who-died-in-an-isis-suicide-attack-in-syria-was-torn-between-family-and-duty/

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WSJ: US moves to deny Russia "Most Favored" status.
« Reply #467 on: March 11, 2022, 05:15:14 PM »
U.S. Moves to Deny Russia ‘Most Favored’ Trade Status
Biden says U.S. will ban imports of Russian seafood, vodka and diamonds, joining other nations increasing the pressure on Putin
Biden Says U.S. Plans to Revoke Normal Trade Relations With Russia
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WASHINGTON—The U.S. moved Friday to sever normal trade ties with Russia—and ban imports of its seafood, vodka and diamonds—as it joined other countries in ratcheting up economic pressure on Moscow for its invasion of Ukraine.

President Biden said the measures would deal “another crushing blow to the Russian economy” and President Vladimir Putin, following other efforts by the U.S. and allies to isolate Russia from international commerce.

“As Putin continues his merciless assault, the United States and our allies and partners continue to work in lockstep to increase the economic pressure on Putin and to further isolate Russia on the global stage,” Mr. Biden said.

Stripping Russia of its most-favored-nation trade status will require a vote of Congress, which the House will take up next week, said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.). The Senate is working on an agreement that it can pass quickly, said a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.).


The proposed legislation would end the U.S. policy of treating Russia as a most-favored nation, a key principle of the World Trade Organization that requires member countries to guarantee equal tariff and regulatory treatment to other members.

Other nations Friday also detailed new efforts to isolate Russia.

The Group of Seven affluent democracies pledged to work toward curtailing the West’s trade with Russia and to curb its access to funding from international financial organizations such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the EU would prohibit the import of key goods in the iron and steel sector from Russia, which she said would deprive the Kremlin of billions of euros of export revenue.

The EU is by far the most important destination for Russia’s exports, purchasing 41% of the total value in 2019, followed by China with 13.4%, according to the WTO.

Ms. von der Leyen said the EU would also ban the export of luxury goods to Russia.

“Those who sustain Putin’s war machine should no longer be able to enjoy their lavish lifestyle while bombs fall on innocent people in Ukraine,” she said.

The U.S. action will deny Russia more than $1 billion in export revenues, a White House policy statement said, adding that the U.S. “retains the authority to impose additional import bans as appropriate.”

The U.S. also on Friday imposed restrictions on exports of luxury goods, such as watches, vehicles and jewelry, to Russia and Belarus. The U.S. export value of the products covered by the restrictions is nearly $550 million a year, the White House said.

The Russian embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The U.S. still has other measures to raise the pressure on Russia. It could expand the sanctions on the banking system, including cutting Gazprombank, a vital part of Russian energy export, out of U.S. dollar access.

Another option: Implementing a blanket ban on exports to Russia, going beyond defense, maritime, luxury goods and sensitive technology sectors that are already banned or severely restricted.

Crab—mainly snow crab and red king crab—represents the bulk of the newly banned imports to the U.S., accounting for $1.1 billion of the $1.2-billion Russian seafood imports in 2021.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February, the U.S. and allied countries have imposed heavy sanctions on Russia. WSJ’s Shelby Holliday dives into how these sanctions are affecting everyone from President Vladimir Putin to everyday Russian citizens. Photo: Pavel Golovkin/Associated Press

A spokeswoman for National Fisheries Institute said the importers’ group would work with the administration on implementation of the latest seafood import ban.


Russia is famed for its vodka, but Americans drink relatively little of the distilled spirit exported from that country. Russia exported about $21 million worth of vodka to the U.S. in 2021 or about 1.4% of vodka imports to the U.S. The U.S. imported $276 million in diamonds from Russia in 2021, most of which were for nonindustrial use.

Overall trade between the U.S. and Russia is modest, with $36.1 billion in two-way-goods trade between the two nations in 2021, making Russia the U.S.’s 23rd-largest trading partner, according to Census Bureau data.

Of that amount, $29.7 billion were imports of Russian products into the U.S., including fuels, precious metal and iron and steel. The import volume is just 6% of the U.S.’s purchases from China in 2021.

Aside from oil and gas, Russia isn’t a major player in world trade. Even so, analysts say the combined impact of other nations will be significant.

“The more countries that take this action, the more effective the sanctions will be,” said Inu Manak, fellow for trade policy at the Council on Foreign Relations. “If allies coordinate in removing Russia’s trade concessions, the impact on the Russian economy will be quite severe.”

The administration has already announced a ban on Russian oil, coal and gas, which make up roughly 60% of the overall U.S. imports from the country.

Ed Gresser, a former official with the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative who now serves as vice president for Progressive Policy Institute, a centrist-leaning Democratic think tank, said the energy-import ban could have an inflationary impact because of Russia’s huge presence in the world energy market.

The other measures announced Friday aren’t likely to have a big effect on consumers “because Russia’s trade with the world is not very large,” he said.

Outside of energy products, other raw materials and commodities, which make up a large part of the remaining U.S. purchases, Russia will continue to enjoy duty-free treatment or insignificant duties even after the end of the most-favored-nation trade status.


The tariff rate on specialty metals such as uranium and palladium, another large import category that includes critical feed for some U.S. industries, will remain zero even if Russia’s status changes.

That’s because the tariff rate list, which is used for countries without most-favored-nation status, was designed to minimize tariffs on American manufacturers reliant on imported materials, while imposing higher rates on consumer products.

The loss of most-favored-trading status means some Russian imports will be subject to higher tariff rates that are currently imposed on North Korea and Cuba. The U.S. imports relatively little from Cuba, and nothing from North Korea.

The proposed legislation also calls for expelling Russia from the WTO. That is a symbolic gesture because the step would require a time-consuming effort to garner the consent of more than 100 member countries.

Meanwhile, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) is proposing tax-code changes aimed at penalizing the Russian government and sanctioned Russians who own U.S. assets.

His plan would deny foreign tax credits and certain deductions for U.S. companies earning income in Russia and Belarus, adding those countries to a list that includes Iran, North Korea, Syria and Sudan.

“If U.S. companies choose to keep paying taxes to Russia—taxes that are funding the bombing of hospitals for women and children—they should do it without a penny of help from American taxpayers,” he said.

Mr. Wyden’s plan would also deny the benefits of the U.S.-Russia tax treaty to sanctioned individuals and entities and give the Treasury Department the ability to add more people to that list. The change would effectively raise taxes on their cross-border dividend and interest payments.

Other measures the U.S. could take include sanctions on sectors such as shipping and insurance and blacklisting additional companies and government officials. Late Friday, the Treasury Department announced a new round of financial sanctions targeting “Russian and Kremlin elites, oligarchs, and Russia’s political and national security leaders” who have supported Mr. Putin.

—Eliza Collins, Richard Rubin, Laurence Norman, Bojan Pancevski and Ian Talley contributed to this article.

Write to Yuka Hayashi at yuka.hayashi@wsj.com, Alex Leary at alex.leary@wsj.com and Anthony DeBarros at Anthony.Debarros@wsj.com

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WRM: The Unappeasable Putin-- good read
« Reply #468 on: March 11, 2022, 06:44:49 PM »
How to Deal With the Unappeasable Putin
The Russian leader, like Mussolini, lacks the military and economy of a great power—and has an impossible political goal.
By Walter Russell Mead
March 10, 2022 12:44 pm ET

Russia is internationally isolated, its forces are stuck in the mud in Ukraine, and it faces the toughest array of economic sanctions ever imposed on a great power. Yet Russian armies continue to advance, China appears to back Vladimir Putin’s play, Ukrainian negotiators are considering concession to some Russian demands, and Europe remains vulnerable to Russian energy blackmail.

So: Is Mr. Putin a political genius we underestimate at our peril, or is he an overrated buffoon who, intoxicated by a long run of good luck, has fatally misjudged his prospects in Ukraine?

History offers another way to think about figures like Mr. Putin. Benito Mussolini had an astonishing career, creating a political movement that ruled Italy for 20 years. His methods often were morally repugnant, but the Fascist movement he created found sympathizers and imitators from Germany to Japan. There was a time when Fascist Italy looked to be leading Europe out of the “decadence” of parliamentary democracy toward a postliberal era.

But Mussolini had an Achilles’ heel. His political project of re-creating the Roman Empire couldn’t be realized. He could build the most powerful political movement in modern Italian history, he could conquer Ethiopia, he could help Franco win the Spanish Civil War, but none of it brought his goal within reach.

Like Mussolini, Mr. Putin has a long record of success. The war in Chechnya was ugly, but he began his time in office by ending what many thought was the inevitable dissolution of the Russian Federation and reasserting Moscow’s control over its restive regions. Coming to power when oligarchs dominated Russian politics, Mr. Putin skillfully played them against one another until he emerged as the unrivaled master of the Russian scene.

He reasserted Russian power in international relations. Post-Soviet Russia was a helpless and weak state, unable to halt the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or to influence American and European power in the Balkans and Central Asia. A combination of adroit diplomacy and the ruthless use of force gave Mr. Putin a de facto veto on NATO expansion after his 2008 invasion of Georgia. In 2014 he snatched Crimea and invaded the Donbas, drawing only halfhearted sanctions from a divided West.

Defying the sanctions, and profiting from the Obama administration’s strategic confusion, Mr. Putin seized the opportunity of the Syrian civil war to support longtime Russian ally Bashar al-Assad, making a mockery of John Kerry’s pompous demand that Mr. Assad had to go. Russia’s new role in Syria gave it an entrée into Middle East politics, which it used to build a close relationship with Israel and the Arab oil producers. Employing mercenary organizations like the Wagner Group, Mr. Putin was able to extend Russian power into Libya and sub-Saharan Africa, forcing the French out of Mali. By selling sophisticated antiaircraft weapons to Turkey, he drove a wedge into NATO even as he cultivated close relations with countries like Hungary and Italy in ways that undercut European Union cohesion.

Like Mussolini, Mr. Putin was fortunate to face an ungifted generation of Western leaders. Nobody will be expanding Mount Rushmore with sculptures memorializing any of America’s post-Cold War presidents, and the generation of European leaders that included figures like Gerhard Schröder and François Hollande will not long be remembered. Playing a weak hand aggressively, Mr. Putin managed to divide and confuse this motley crew long enough to threaten the Western order in Europe and reassert Russia’s place among the great powers.

But as Mussolini discovered, diplomatic and even military victories cannot make an impossible dream come true. Mussolini was unable to build an Italian economy that could support his ambitions or a military capable of rivaling the great powers like Germany and Britain. This is where the limits of Mr. Putin’s achievements also seem to lie. After 20 years in power, he has failed to equip Russia with either the economy or the military that a great power needs. And because his power rests on such narrow and unsatisfactory foundations, his foreign policy remains one of brinkmanship and adventurism that is always vulnerable should his adversaries call his bluff—or if he miscalculates and bites off more than he can chew.

The best way to think about Mr. Putin is as a gifted tactician committed to a strategic impossibility: for Russia to regain the superpower status once held by the Soviet Union. Such leaders are unappeasable because their goals can never be reached. The rise of China, Russia’s continuing demographic decline, and its continuing inability to create a modern and dynamic economy will not end because Russian flags fly over the ruins of Kyiv.

There are two mistakes we can make about figures like Mr. Putin. One is to underestimate their talent for troublemaking if they don’t get what they want. The other is to believe that by giving in to their demands we can quiet them down. The West has made both mistakes with Mr. Putin in the past. We must try to do better now.

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« Reply #469 on: March 12, 2022, 01:37:02 AM »
Daily Memo: Russia Suspends Grains Exports, EU Says No to Fast-Track Membership
Brussels denied Kyiv's request for quick accession.
By: Geopolitical Futures
Reinforcements for Donbass. Russia’s Defense Ministry said more than 16,000 “volunteers” from the Middle East have applied to participate in Russia’s military campaign in Donbass. During a meeting of Russia’s Security Council, President Vladimir Putin said he agreed with the plan to attract foreigners to the fight in Donbass and a proposal to transfer captured Western-made weapons to the militaries of the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics. Meanwhile, the rebels in Donetsk reportedly took control of the Ukrainian city of Volnovakha, located approximately 40 miles (60 kilometers) southwest of Donetsk along the highway linking Donetsk with the key coastal city of Mariupol.

No more grain exports. Russia’s Economy Ministry said it will suspend the export of grains – including wheat, barley and corn – to members of the Eurasian Economic Union until Aug. 31. The move aims to shore up domestic supplies.

No fast-track membership. EU member states on Thursday decided not to grant Ukraine fast-track membership in the bloc. Poland and the Baltic states were in favor of speeding up the accession process, but Western European countries like France and the Netherlands were opposed. On Friday, the European Commission proposed committing another 500 million euros ($550 million) in military aid to Kyiv.

Biden and Erdogan. U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday spoke by phone with his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to discuss bilateral relations and the situation in Ukraine. Erdogan stressed Turkey’s role as a mediator between Ukraine and Russia. He also said Turkey expected to be able to purchase 40 new planes and modernize its existing F-16s as soon as possible, and called for the lifting of sanctions against Ankara’s defense industry
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Daily Memo: Moscow's Plan to Stem the Fallout of Sanctions
Beijing, meanwhile, has expressed its displeasure with the onslaught of Western sanctions targeting Russia's economy.
By: Geopolitical Futures
Coping mechanisms. The Russian government introduced new measures to help the country cope with Western sanctions. They include an exemption on income tax payments on bank deposit interest, a possible ban or limits on foreign trade on certain products, assistance for some airlines, preferential lending for the agriculture industry, additional funding for road infrastructure and retaliatory measures targeting countries that prohibit Russian ships from entering their ports. President Vladimir Putin also approved amendments to the budget and tax codes that significantly expand the powers of the government.

China's stance. Actions taken by the U.S. and NATO have pushed tensions between Russia and Ukraine to a “breaking point,” a spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry said at a press briefing on Wednesday. He called on the U.S. not to undermine China’s rights and interests in managing the Ukraine issue and its ties with Russia. Relatedly, Chinese President Xi Jinping criticized Western sanctions on Russia during a virtual summit on Tuesday with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Xi said measures introduced by the U.S. and the EU will negatively affect global energy security, financial stability and supply chains.

Preparing for the fallout. French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi spoke by phone on Wednesday about the situation in Ukraine and its impact on the EU economy. They attempted to coordinate a common position ahead of the EU leaders’ summit in Versailles on Thursday and Friday, when EU heads of state are expected to discuss new measures to mitigate the economic fallout of the Ukraine war, particularly as it relates to energy.

Truss in Washington. U.K. Foreign Secretary Liz Truss will travel on Wednesday to Washington to meet with U.S. State Secretary Antony Blinken and National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan. They will discuss Ukraine and efforts to reduce energy dependence on Russia. On Tuesday, the U.K. announced that it would phase out Russian oil imports after Washington said it would ban all Russian energy imports.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-threatens-attack-nato-weapons-shipments-ukraine-legitimate-targets

https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/1828007/monkeys-covered-in-gas-playing-with-matches


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https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-blob-wants-war.html

Plan and/or pray accordingly.

From Joe Kent(Currently running for Congress):


Dear Friend,

The establishment wants to lead us into war (again).
The narrative out of Washington, DC feels very similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. We have politicians, members of Congress, now echoing the messaging of Joe Biden’s State of the Union address about building a “coalition” of allies against Russia. Then, they vote to express “solidarity” with Ukraine, laying out ways they can further provoke Russia.

Instead of lawmakers like Jaime Herrera Beutler warmongering and conducting pointless photo ops behind Ukrainian-colored American flags, we need to demand that Joe Biden consult Congress so those who represent the American people can vigorously debate any escalations of force.

The American people want to know what’s on the table and want to have a say, and Congress alone has the power to declare war—but Joe Biden and the establishment across both parties don’t want them to.

It’s easy for them to talk a big talk in DC and act tough on the world stage. But at the end of the day, they have completely incapacitated our domestic energy production and our leverage in dealing with Russia. They’re willing to put our national security in danger, even if it means striking oil deals with despotic governments like Venezuela.

There is nothing but incompetence and weak leadership coming out of our nation’s capital, and that’s a very dangerous combination. It’s time for us, the American people, to have a say in our national security—because no one benefits from war.

Why does his perspective matter?

https://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-545-joe-kent-special-forces-veteran-and-gold-star-husband/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/03/22/feature/navy-cryptologist-shannon-kent-who-died-in-an-isis-suicide-attack-in-syria-was-torn-between-family-and-duty/

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Reminder: the Uke MafiyaState was neck deep in the RussiaGate fraud
« Reply #471 on: March 12, 2022, 10:39:03 AM »

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sperry-ukraine-worked-democrats-against-trump-2016-stop-putin-and-it-backfired-badly


The Uke power structure was neck deep in the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” Fraud. They can die in a fire as far as I am concerned. So sorry Hunter won’t be getting anymore graft for the big guy from that corrupt s-hole.

Putin is a nasty, throat cutting bastard. Unlike our feckless, “everyone gets a trophy” western elites, he probably has gotten his hands dirty for real on behalf of his country. I am willing to bet he won’t be checking his watch at a ceremony for the returning fallen Russian soldiers.

Compared to the western “elites”, he is a genius, but that’s a low bar to step over. The most important thing is Putin actually wants the best for his nation. Wouldn’t it be nice if our leaders did as well?


" Trump should not have said Putin is strategic genius?  For those who compete in combat sports or real combat or war or even competitive tennis, how does it go when you underestimate your adversary?  Generally, you lose. "

I am in this camp about this :

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/02/24/john-kelly-i-dont-get-praising-putin-he-is-a-murderer/

Hitler was genius but I don't recall anyone in the West praising him for it.

"Kelly added, “You know, is Putin smart? Yes. Tyrants are smart. They know what they’re doing. But that’s — I can’t imagine why someone would look at what’s happening there and see it anything other than a criminal act. I don’t get it, Jake."

I get it .
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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #474 on: March 15, 2022, 08:36:05 PM »
VDH was on the Sebastian Gorka show.  I won't do his point justice, but:

It is very important that Putin and Russia are seen as losers in Ukraine, as it pertains to China's point of view. China won't want to partner with them if they are seen as losers on the world stage, weak, inept and bankrupt.  They would be a liability as a partner.

But if Russia comes out a winner in the invasion and survives the sanctions, that is emboldening for China in their pursuit of Taiwan and for a Russian Chinese partnership, which would be a terrible development for the (shrinking) free world.

China likely told Putin to wait until after the Olympics and therefore was aware in advance of this invasion - as they contemplate theirs.

Xi is watching Ukraine closely and weighing his own next move.


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Some creative thinking
« Reply #476 on: March 19, 2022, 03:24:22 AM »
Turkey’s Russian Missiles Could Defend Ukraine
A way to solve the dispute between Washington and Ankara and do poetic justice in the process.
By Paul Kolbe
March 17, 2022 6:21 pm ET


Ukraine needs antiaircraft weapons, and Turkey has one it should get rid of—a Russian-made S-400 system it bought four years ago that triggered an enormous backlash from the U.S., which stopped selling F-35 fighter jets to Ankara in response.



How about a triple play? The U.S. helps Turkey send its S-400 to Ukraine to defend against Russian warplanes, offers the Turks a nice new American replacement, and gets F-35 shipments back on track. This would also help repair the relationship between the U.S. and Turkey in the face of Russian aggression.

Ukraine’s desperate struggle to repel Russia’s invasion depends on denying Russia air dominance. While Ukraine has preserved some air-defense capability, it lacks the means to hold off Russian air power indefinitely. Once Russia rules the Ukrainian skies, Ukrainian ground forces will be exceedingly vulnerable, as will supply lines of arms and aid from the West.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has begged the West for more aircraft and air defense. The onset of Russian air attacks on military airfields and training sites in western Ukraine, along with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov’s warning that Western aid shipments are “legitimate targets,” demonstrates that Ukraine requires better long-range, high-altitude air defenses. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby recently noted that Ukraine needs new ground-based air-defense systems more than it needs Polish MiG-29s, the deal for which was scuttled after the Pentagon said it didn’t consider the deal “tenable.”


Ukraine has limited stocks of Soviet-era S-300 mobile missile systems. These weapons are effective but dated, and Ukraine has had to use them judiciously. Within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, Bulgaria, Greece and Slovakia have S-300s, which could be transferred relatively quickly. Thomas Warrick at the Atlantic Council has suggested that the U.S. include S-300s as part of a lend-lease package for Ukraine, and NATO is reportedly exploring this idea.

When Turkey first signed a deal with Russia for the purchase of S-400 batteries, the U.S. and other allies saw the integration of the Russian system into NATO air defenses as a grave intelligence threat. In response, the U.S. suspended Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program, and Congress eventually subjected Turkey to the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017, which made it ineligible to purchase F-35 fighters to modernize the Turkish air force. One can imagine Vladimir Putin laughing at the discord and damage the sale of S-400s wrought within NATO.

There is no doubt S-400s would bolster Ukraine’s air defense capability, and eliminating them from the Turkish inventory should clear the way for Turkey’s reinstatement in the F-35 consortium and sanctions repeal. The gap in Turkish air defenses can be filled in the short term with U.S. Patriot batteries and eventually with Turkey’s own Siper antiaircraft missiles, which are under development.

It would be symbolic if Russian-made missiles shot down Mr. Putin’s warplanes in Ukraine that are bombing refugees, maternity wards and kindergartens. Having delivered the weapons to Turkey in the first place, Mr. Putin can hardly complain when Turkey sends them to a friend and neighbor to defend against wanton aggression. Indeed, late last year Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov encouraged Turkey to purchase more S-400s: “This kind of cooperation between Russia and Turkey should not be a threat for any country . . . because the system is not offensive, it is defensive.”

Delivering Turkish S-400s to Ukraine would help Ukraine, NATO, the U.S, and Turkey and would harm only Russia. Using Russian-made S-400s, sold to Turkey with the goal of dividing NATO, to shoot down Russian jets bombing Ukrainian cities would be poetic justice.

Mr. Kolbe is director of the Intelligence Project at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He was a Central Intelligence Agency operations officer for 25 years.

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ET: Russia claims to have used hypersonic missile
« Reply #477 on: March 19, 2022, 12:55:58 PM »


Russia said on Saturday that it has used hypersonic missiles to destroy Ukrainian military assets in what marks the first time Moscow has acknowledged using this type of weapon in combat.

The Russian defense ministry said in a March 19 operational update that on Friday it destroyed a large underground storage facility for missiles and aviation ammunition in Ukraine’s Ivano-Frankovsk region, using missiles that can travel at over five times the speed of sound.

Igor Konashenkov, the ministry spokesperson, said that the Kinzhal aviation missile system with hypersonic ballistic missiles was used in the strike.

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Re: ET: Russia claims to have used hypersonic missile
« Reply #478 on: March 20, 2022, 12:20:11 PM »

The important part of the story is what was destroyed by the missile.




Russia said on Saturday that it has used hypersonic missiles to destroy Ukrainian military assets in what marks the first time Moscow has acknowledged using this type of weapon in combat.

The Russian defense ministry said in a March 19 operational update that on Friday it destroyed a large underground storage facility for missiles and aviation ammunition in Ukraine’s Ivano-Frankovsk region, using missiles that can travel at over five times the speed of sound.

Igor Konashenkov, the ministry spokesperson, said that the Kinzhal aviation missile system with hypersonic ballistic missiles was used in the strike.

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« Reply #479 on: March 20, 2022, 01:17:22 PM »
And that was , , , ?

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« Reply #483 on: March 23, 2022, 03:27:36 AM »
Unfortunately, the idea here will be used to push "Racism" charges because the Ukes are white, but glad to see the WSJ realize that provoking mass migration is a purposeful tactic of war.

Putin Uses Refugees as a Weapon
As the burden on Europe grows from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Biden can act boldly to help.
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Updated March 22, 2022 7:18 pm ET


As Vladimir Putin’s Ukraine invasion bogs down, he’s trying to break Kyiv’s resistance by targeting civilians with missiles and artillery. He also hopes to break European support for Ukraine by using the country’s refugees as a political weapon. The U.S. can help Europe share this refugee burden.


That’s the horrible state of war as more than 3.5 million Ukrainians have fled the country since the invasion began, according to the United Nations refugee agency. Another six million or so have left their homes but remain in Ukraine, though they may eventually have to leave too.

Tiny Moldova has accepted nearly 400,000, while Russia and Belarus together have absorbed about a quarter-million. The remaining refugees have gone to countries in the European Union, more than two million to Poland alone. Many of these arrivals will soon move on to other parts of the EU where friends or family already live.

“We can see solidarity from all member states,” said Ylva Johansson, EU home affairs commissioner, on Monday. “This is a new way of doing it without mandatory quotas and instead of working together within the solidarity platform.” She’s right about the EU’s impressive unity and generosity.


Brussels also wisely decided to give Ukrainian refugees the ability to live and work in the bloc for three years. This should ease the financial stress on Europe’s welfare systems, but there could soon be acrimonious fights about how to share the burden that is falling mostly on Ukraine’s nearest neighbors. Poland and Hungary could be overwhelmed if millions more arrive and the rest of the Continent becomes hesitant to take more.

The Biden Administration has given temporary protected status to some 75,000 Ukrainians already in the U.S., and it could simplify requirements for those Ukrainians who haven’t come to America yet but have family in the U.S. Mr. Biden’s visit to Warsaw on Friday presents an opportunity to go bigger: Why not offer to resettle 200,000 or 300,000 Ukrainians currently in Poland? A bipartisan bill in Congress could shape up differently, but setting ambitious terms of the political debate would be morally just and strategically prudent.

The offer would counter Mr. Putin’s transparent strategy to bomb Ukrainians out of their homes and add to their suffering. Easing the refugee crisis in Europe will help women and children as well as the soldiers who stayed behind to defend their country.

As the war drags on, the Russian dictator also wants to burden the European nations whose military and humanitarian support is crucial to President Volodymyr Zelensky’s resistance. He wants France and Germany in particular to pressure Mr. Zelensky into a settlement on the Kremlin’s terms.

The West needs to continue to provide Ukraine with whatever it needs to win a peace it can live with. To that end the West can shelter the country’s women, children and elderly as a defining contrast to Mr. Putin’s barbarism.

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Romania
« Reply #484 on: March 23, 2022, 01:55:45 PM »
Romania's Security and Social Challenges, and Political Benefits, From the Ukraine War
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Refugees from Ukraine walk at the Ukrainian-Romanian border in Siret on March 2, 2022.
Refugees from Ukraine walk at the Ukrainian-Romanian border in Siret on March 2, 2022.
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The war in Ukraine is creating significant social and security challenges for Romania that EU assistance will only partially mitigate, but at the same time, it is leading to temporary political stability. Romania has traditionally been concerned about potential Russian aggression, explaining the country's staunch support for NATO and frequent requests for a greater NATO troop presence in the country. A Russian invasion of Romania is improbable considering that Moscow most likely wants to avoid a direct confrontation with any NATO member states. Still, Romania's hawkish position on Russia and its support for tough EU sanctions against Moscow and an increased NATO presence in the Black Sea region make the country vulnerable to unconventional retaliation from Russia. This could include cyberattacks against Romanian state institutions, infrastructure and private companies. Romania could also be subject to disinformation campaigns and other destabilization attempts from the Russian government or pro-Russian groups, either directly or in neighboring Moldova, which is not a NATO member.

Romania shares a 614-kilometer (about 381-mile) land border with Ukraine, which means that the war is getting closer and closer to Romania as Russia intensifies its attacks in western Ukraine.

Romania also has Black Sea coastline, meaning if Moscow ends up controlling southern Ukraine as a part of a strategy to deprive Kyiv of access to the sea, Romania and Russia will share a larger maritime border. (Russia de facto controls Crimea, on the Black Sea, but Romania and the European Union do not recognize Moscow's claim to the territory.) This will increase the risk of deliberately provoked or accidental confrontation between the Russian and Romanian navies, and potentially constrain Romania's room to explore for hydrocarbons in the Black Sea.

Romania is worried that the Ukraine conflict could extend to neighboring Moldova, because Russia eventually could use the pro-Russia breakaway territory of Transdniestria to launch an assault on the Ukrainian city of Odessa. Even if Russia does not invade Moldova, it could try to destabilize Moldova's pro-European government. This would increase political instability and social unrest in Romania's smaller neighbor that in a more escalatory scenario could spill over from Moldova into Romania. While a part of Romania's political and military establishment supports deepening defense cooperation with Moldova, critics of the idea argue that doing so could lead to unnecessary frictions with Russia.
In mid-March the director of Romania's National Cyber Security Directorate, Dan Cimpean, said the country faced a "spectacular rise" in the number of cyberattacks aimed at its infrastructure since the start of the war.

The Russian threat has reduced internal disputes within Romania's coalition government, ensuring that domestic and foreign policy will not be significantly disrupted, at least temporarily, though economic challenges will grow. Before the start of the war in Ukraine, Romania's coalition government — which includes the center-left Social Democratic Party, the center-right National Liberal Party and the centrist Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania — was riven by ideological and political disputes, which made the government fragile and complicated policymaking. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, however, has resulted in a more cohesive government that is seeking to avoid internal disputes at a time of a major war in the region. While some sporadic disputes will continue to take place, and a Cabinet reshuffle to renew Prime Minister Nicolae Ciuca's team of ministers is possible in the coming months, the external challenges facing Romania will bring temporary stability to the government. This means that Bucharest will not face a political crisis, such as a surprise collapse of the government, and the government will be able to speak with a single voice at the European Union on issues such as applying and enforcing sanctions against Russia, providing financial support to Ukraine, housing asylum seekers, and providing political and financial support to Moldova. But even if Romania's political environment will be more stable, the government will have to confront emerging economic challenges.

The war in Ukraine is contributing to already high energy prices in Romania, which could slow activity in the manufacturing sector, as companies face rising operating costs. High fuel prices meanwhile could negatively impact transportation companies, increasing the probability of supply chain disruptions. And a reduction in disposable income in Romanian households could result in reduced domestic consumption (retail sales already contracted by 1% year-on-year in January), further weakening economic growth and opening the door to social unrest.

The Romanian government is trying to mitigate all these risks by capping energy prices, but this will come at the expense of high public spending that will worsen Bucharest's fiscal deficit.

In the coming months, Romania is likely to need significant institutional, logistical and financial support from the European Union to cope with migrants, but will still face challenges even with EU aid. For decades Romania has faced significant emigration, which means that it has limited experience in receiving large numbers of asylum seekers. While the Romanian government has provided residency rights and housing to migrants from Ukraine who want to stay in the country and free transportation to those who want to go to other parts of the European Union, a significant part of the assistance is coming from nongovernmental organizations and grassroots organizing efforts, resulting in some lack of coordination. As a result, in the coming weeks, Bucharest is likely to ask Brussels for increased logistical and financial help to deal with migrants. The European Union is currently considering legal mechanisms to give asylum seekers coming from Ukraine long-term work and residence permits. Brussels is also looking for ways to make it easier for Ukrainian children to continue their education in the European bloc.
While these EU measures will alleviate the burden on Romania to some extent, the country could struggle to implement these EU measures due to its logistical and institutional shortcomings. In a longer timeframe, there is a risk of isolated episodes of racism and discrimination, which in a more escalatory scenario could grow into larger anti-government protests or even targeted violence if Romanians feel that the migrants are generating crime or competing with them for jobs and state help.

In a March 17 speech, Romanian President Klaus Iohannis said his country will receive "as many refugees as needed."

On March 21, the Romanian government announced that more than 515,000 people had arrived from Ukraine since the beginning of the war, with around 80,000 opting to stay in Romania while the rest continued their journey to other parts of the European Union. According to official figures, of the asylum seekers who chose to stay in Romania roughly 30,000 are children.


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PR problem
« Reply #486 on: March 24, 2022, 07:54:45 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wing-americans-converged-war-175538767.html

NO conservatives like me Tucker etc
are not protecting Putin or are fans of this killer

We are trying to protect the US from causing more harm than good

We are not to be labelled isolationist

because we are being careful about which global problems are in our interests to intervene - or not
we are just trying to avoid what we have had multiple times through our history has been wars that spiraled out of control

WW2 keeps being invoked as the model to compare this situation with.
we must stop them now  - don't be dumb dupe  like a neville chamberlain blah blah blah

I think it could just as easily be more like WW1
where war kept escalating out of control
beyond what it needed to be.




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Re: PR problem
« Reply #487 on: March 24, 2022, 08:12:29 AM »
Exactly.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wing-americans-converged-war-175538767.html

NO conservatives like me Tucker etc
are not protecting Putin or are fans of this killer

We are trying to protect the US from causing more harm than good

We are not to be labelled isolationist

because we are being careful about which global problems are in our interests to intervene - or not
we are just trying to avoid what we have had multiple times through our history has been wars that spiraled out of control

WW2 keeps being invoked as the model to compare this situation with.
we must stop them now  - don't be dumb dupe  like a neville chamberlain blah blah blah

I think it could just as easily be more like WW1
where war kept escalating out of control
beyond what it needed to be.


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WSJ: US and the Black Sea
« Reply #489 on: March 25, 2022, 05:07:20 AM »
Most proposals for military aid to Ukraine involve help from the air, such as establishing a Berlin-style airlift, flying in warplanes from Poland, and creating a no-fly zone over Ukrainian territory. But it would be a serious blunder to neglect the naval aspect of the conflict. Russia certainly hasn’t. According to the Times of London, recent intelligence indicates that Russia has a fleet of warships ready to launch an amphibious assault on Odessa, the last major Ukrainian seaport not in Russian hands or under Russian siege.

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It is vital to Europe’s peace and security that Ukraine not lose what remains of its Black Sea coastline, and that Russia not consider that international body of water its private naval and maritime preserve. The U.S. and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization can protect this strategic flank of Europe and NATO while also relieving Russian pressure on Ukraine short of risking war.

The Black Sea’s importance to Russia’s economy and sovereignty dates from the 19th century. But then the Black Sea and the Turkish Straits, which allowed access to the Mediterranean and beyond, took on growing importance for Russia.

That was thanks to Russia’s export trade in grain and industrial goods—and its imperial designs in Southern Europe, including on the Turkish capital. The issue became so important that nations negotiated international agreements aiming to restrict the Russian navy’s presence in the Black Sea and access to the Turkish Straits, the most recent being the Montreux Convention, which was signed in 1936 by the Soviet Union and nine other countries and is still in effect.

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The Black Sea remains vital to Russia’s national interest. One reason Vladimir Putin invaded Crimea in 2014 was to secure the former Soviet naval base at Sevastopol. It is crucial to confront Russia in this region as part of a broader strategy to help Ukraine—and also as the centerpiece of a new NATO maritime strategy. Here are five steps the U.S. and NATO can take:

First, keep Ukrainian forces supplied with antiship missiles that can deter Russian naval forces and amphibious landings. The Norwegian-made Naval Strike Missile can be launched from either ship or shore. Poland and Romania have bought them from Norway’s Kongsberg Defence and Aerospace. All three countries are NATO members; all three should be working together to build Ukraine’s antiship-missile arsenal, especially after Ukraine’s claim that it was able to destroy a Russian naval vessel near Mariupol using similar weaponry.

Second, make sure Turkey bans passage of Russian warships under Article 19 of the Montreux Convention, which governs access to the Black Sea through the straits, while allowing free passage of U.S. and NATO vessels. Under Article 19, Turkey can deny access to warships of war belligerents as long as Turkey isn’t a party to the conflict. On Feb. 27, three days after Mr. Putin invaded, Ukraine asked Ankara to close the straits to Russian warships. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu acknowledged Mr. Putin’s invasion as an act of war—a major step toward invoking Article 19. A day later, however, Turkey seemed to back away, with words suggesting it would close the straits to all warships, not only those from Russia and Ukraine. Under Article 19, however, Turkey isn’t authorized to close the straits to neutral warships. Adherence to the article requires blocking passage only to Russian and Ukrainian vessels. Turkey’s NATO partners should insist that Ankara carry out Article 19 to the letter.

This will come too late to interfere with the 30 or more Russian warships already blockading the Ukraine coastline. But closing the straits would hamper attempts to reinforce future large naval operations, and signal that the Russian navy can no longer act as if the Black Sea is its private lake.

Third, send a U.S.-led NATO flotilla to show the flag at ports of friendly countries on the Black Sea. Last July NATO conducted an important Black Sea exercise with some 30 vessels from 32 NATO members and other countries, including Ukraine. The NATO presence has since nearly vanished. It’s time to revive a robust Western naval presence.

Fourth, organize a humanitarian sealift with a convoy of ships under NATO escort bringing food and medical supplies to Russian-occupied Kherson. This convoy can show Moscow that although Kherson is currently occupied by Russian troops, it is still Ukrainian sovereign territory.

Fifth, devise a naval strategy for the Black Sea region. A single French frigate visited the region in December 2021 and left the day after the New Year. No major NATO warship has made an appearance since, even as Russia ravages Ukraine. The war is “like a boa constrictor around Ukraine’s neck,” retired Adm. James Foggo, who commanded U.S. and NATO fleets in Europe for almost a decade until 2020, told Reuters. “NATO needs a maritime strategy.”

The fate of NATO’s southern flank may depend on how quickly its leaders, including President Biden, respond to this challenge—at sea as well as on land and in the air.

Mr. Herman is senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and author, most recently, of “The Viking Heart: How Scandinavians Conquered the World.”

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Re: Russia/US-- Regime change
« Reply #493 on: March 27, 2022, 05:04:03 AM »

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Re: Russia/US-- Regime change
« Reply #494 on: March 27, 2022, 05:58:08 AM »
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-poland-putin-russia_n_623f5280e4b067827e394197

This should be our policy in China too.

How’s our track record with that? Should they have honest elections like we do?

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Re: Russia/US-- Regime change
« Reply #495 on: March 27, 2022, 06:06:53 AM »
New policy already walked back by Biden handler cabal.

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Re: Russia/US-- Regime change
« Reply #496 on: March 27, 2022, 06:39:10 AM »
New policy already walked back by Biden handler cabal.

Reminiscent of Reagan, "Mr. Gorbachev... Tear down this wall."

Except this isn't Reagan, he didn't mis-speak, and no one IIRC walked it back.

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Re: Russia/US-- Regime change
« Reply #497 on: March 27, 2022, 07:26:25 AM »
Russia isn’t the Soviet Union. We aren’t the shining city on the hill.

New policy already walked back by Biden handler cabal.

Reminiscent of Reagan, "Mr. Gorbachev... Tear down this wall."

Except this isn't Reagan, he didn't mis-speak, and no one IIRC walked it back.