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« Reply #301 on: February 25, 2022, 06:29:42 AM »
All this avoided if only we ruled out Ukraine joining NATO?  We broke Budapest agreement?

No.  Russia broke the agreement with the 2014 invasion seizing Crimea.  There is no such thing as an agreement that binds only one side to it.

Sovereign Ukraine had a right to protect itself against its aggressive evil neighbor including pursuing weapons and new defense treaties.

Trump should not have said Putin is strategic genius?  For those who compete in combat sports or real combat or war or even competitive tennis, how does it go when you underestimate your adversary?  Generally, you lose.

If nothing else, Putin has ego.  Obama dissed him in 2012 for the world to see, not a geopolitical threat in 20 years.  Obama thought he was mocking Romney. Forgot he had to Leader of the Free World if he won.  By 2014 Putin invaded Ukraine and took Crimea.  Take that! He waited out Trump, got the one that challenged him "toe to toe" and took the rest of what he wanted in Ukraine.

Underestimating the damage Putin can do is naive.  Appealing to his sense of global, moral and historic responsibility was beyond stupid, and sending Kamala there to settle the whole thing when he already knew their attack plan was beneath worthless.
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Even Politico sees it.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/24/putin-was-playing-biden-all-along-00011555
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« Reply #302 on: February 25, 2022, 06:32:06 AM »
"More than 150 senior Russian officials sign open letter condemning Putin's invasion of Ukraine"

Wow , there is at least some freedom of speech in Russia !

This never would have happened under Stalin
they would have all knew to do so would mean either instant death
 or a "vacation" to the "archipelago"

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« Reply #303 on: February 25, 2022, 06:39:36 AM »
".All this avoided if only we ruled out Ukraine joining NATO? "

Rubio on last night stated

Putin wants Nato out of baltic countries, estonia, latvia, lithuania, romania as well

not just guarantee - no nato in ukraine

oddly bugaria is a Nato country but appears to be closely linked to putin regime

there are 30 countries in NATO:

https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html

we should form a South Pacific TO

to counteract the CCP

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #304 on: February 25, 2022, 06:56:37 AM »
Can't remember the source, but one observer says build a thousand new nuclear plants in US and Europe if you want to cripple Putin's power.  (famous people reading the forum).

The number is figurative, the concept is spot on.  People are burning fossil fuels to power their grid.  Eliminate that and what happens to the world price of gas and oil, and the European dependence on Russian gas and oil?

This is in hindsight if you think Putin is done or in foresight if you think he has just started, or if you actually care about human caused climate change.

Joe Biden just paid for Putin's invasion a thousand times over with his failed energy policies.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #305 on: February 25, 2022, 07:22:54 AM »
I am still betting on fusion

though I will be long gone before that is commercially viable
from what little I have read about it.

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« Reply #306 on: February 25, 2022, 07:36:47 AM »
" Trump should not have said Putin is strategic genius?  For those who compete in combat sports or real combat or war or even competitive tennis, how does it go when you underestimate your adversary?  Generally, you lose. "

I am in this camp about this :

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/02/24/john-kelly-i-dont-get-praising-putin-he-is-a-murderer/

Hitler was genius but I don't recall anyone in the West praising him for it.

"Kelly added, “You know, is Putin smart? Yes. Tyrants are smart. They know what they’re doing. But that’s — I can’t imagine why someone would look at what’s happening there and see it anything other than a criminal act. I don’t get it, Jake."

I get it .
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« Reply #307 on: February 25, 2022, 09:14:50 AM »
The Uke power structure was neck deep in the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” Fraud. They can die in a fire as far as I am concerned. So sorry Hunter won’t be getting anymore graft for the big guy from that corrupt s-hole.

Putin is a nasty, throat cutting bastard. Unlike our feckless, “everyone gets a trophy” western elites, he probably has gotten his hands dirty for real on behalf of his country. I am willing to bet he won’t be checking his watch at a ceremony for the returning fallen Russian soldiers.

Compared to the western “elites”, he is a genius, but that’s a low bar to step over. The most important thing is Putin actually wants the best for his nation. Wouldn’t it be nice if our leaders did as well?


" Trump should not have said Putin is strategic genius?  For those who compete in combat sports or real combat or war or even competitive tennis, how does it go when you underestimate your adversary?  Generally, you lose. "

I am in this camp about this :

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/02/24/john-kelly-i-dont-get-praising-putin-he-is-a-murderer/

Hitler was genius but I don't recall anyone in the West praising him for it.

"Kelly added, “You know, is Putin smart? Yes. Tyrants are smart. They know what they’re doing. But that’s — I can’t imagine why someone would look at what’s happening there and see it anything other than a criminal act. I don’t get it, Jake."

I get it .
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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #308 on: February 25, 2022, 10:03:12 AM »
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Daily Memo: Russian Troops Move on Kyiv
Ukraine's president has offered to negotiate with Vladimir Putin.
By: Geopolitical Futures

Events in Ukraine. Russian troops are continuing to strike at various targets on Ukrainian territory, including the capital, Kyiv, where explosions and occasional gunfire were heard throughout Friday. According to Russia’s Ministry of Defense, Russian troops also gained control of the Hostomel airfield near Kyiv. In a video message, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy offered to negotiate directly with Russian President Vladimir Putin. For more Ukraine updates, visit our Breaking News page.

European retaliation. After an extraordinary meeting of EU leaders Thursday night, top EU diplomats are expected to approve a new package of sanctions on Friday. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz reiterated that excluding Russia from the SWIFT banking network should be reserved as a last resort, a position shared by the French foreign minister. Italy also opposes the measure but said it was willing to deploy an additional 3,400 military personnel to NATO’s eastern flank.

French mediation. French President Emmanuel Macron said he spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday evening after the emergency summit of EU leaders. Macron said he reached out to Putin at the request of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

Putin talks. Putin also spoke by phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad, who expressed strong support for Moscow’s military operation in Ukraine and condemned the destabilizing policies of the United States and NATO. Separately, the Russian president spoke with Chinese President Xi Jinping and reportedly said he was ready to communicate with Kyiv. He also held talks with Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi about Ukraine as well as efforts to reinstate Iran’s nuclear deal.

Washington's role. The U.S. has been busy meeting with allied nations over Ukraine. On Thursday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke with his counterparts from Israel and the United Arab Emirates. He also held talks with India’s external affairs minister, who spoke with Putin the same day. In a conversation with Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, Blinken thanked Ankara for its support of Kyiv.

Gas flows. Despite the instability in Ukraine, Gazprom is continuing to supply Russian gas to Europe through Ukrainian territory as normal. The transport of Russian gas via Ukraine's transmission system actually increased by 20 percent – almost 100 million cubic meters – on Friday compared with the previous day.

Diversification. German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck said Berlin was considering ways to enact laws that will help Germany diversify its energy supplies in order to reduce its dependence on Russian coal and natural gas. Part of its plan is to build more liquified natural gas terminals for receiving supplies and to expand so-called solidarity contracts to places like Poland, Italy and France.

Stability in the Balkans. NATO and the European Union Force in Bosnia-Herzegovina announced the deployment of four more companies, totaling 500 troops, to Bosnia in response to the potential spread of instability from the Ukraine crisis. The mission called the deployment a precautionary step. Anonymous Western officials reportedly said the move was in response to deteriorating security conditions globally coming from not just Ukraine but also Russian influences in Bosnia’s Serb-dominated entity as well as Montenegro and Serbia.

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« Reply #309 on: February 25, 2022, 10:04:55 AM »
second post

"The Uke power structure was neck deep in the “Russia, Russia, Russia!” Fraud. They can die in a fire as far as I am concerned."

Fair point!!!

Yet what message will China take from a successful cost-free Russia conquest as it contemplates Taiwan?

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« Reply #310 on: February 25, 2022, 10:06:54 AM »
Fusion, yes, but right now you build what is available right now, the cleanest, safest, most economical source.

Remember we only have 10 years to act, 20 year ago, or something like that.

For Putin in the short term, we should put American drilling, fracking and exporting on steroids.  Wouldn't be bad to get the Saudis on board as well.
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Interesting that Hunter's connection to Burisma is tied to the pro-Russian side of Ukraine politics.

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« Reply #311 on: February 25, 2022, 11:10:24 AM »
Who offered Col. Alexander “Flounder” Vindman a job as Ukrainian Defense Minister?


Fusion, yes, but right now you build what is available right now, the cleanest, safest, most economical source.

Remember we only have 10 years to act, 20 year ago, or something like that.

For Putin in the short term, we should put American drilling, fracking and exporting on steroids.  Wouldn't be bad to get the Saudis on board as well.
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Interesting that Hunter's connection to Burisma is tied to the pro-Russian side of Ukraine politics.

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« Reply #312 on: February 25, 2022, 11:39:20 AM »
Good question. 

Do we have an answer?


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WSJ: Europe stays in bed after its wake up call
« Reply #314 on: February 26, 2022, 10:17:53 AM »
Europe Stays in Bed After Its Ukraine Wake-Up Call
Leaders understand what’s at stake in the conflict but are in denial about what a solution requires of them.

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German chancellor Olaf Scholz talks about the Russian invasion of Ukraine in Berlin, Feb. 24.
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To describe an event as a “wake-up call” implies the call’s recipient will stay awake rather than roll over and fall back asleep. Which will it be for Western Europe now that Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has finally happened?

Give Europe credit for at least answering the phone. Leaders, particularly in Germany, seem to have been genuinely embarrassed by their weak and disorganized initial response when it became clear in January that an invasion was impending. The weeks since have seen steady improvement, although from a very low baseline.

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz deserves half a cheer more than he generally receives for his handling of this crisis. All signs had pointed to paralysis. His new government, in office barely a month when the Ukraine emergency started, is composed of three parties: Mr. Scholz’s soft-on-Russia center-left Social Democrats, known by the German initials SPD; the human-rights idealists of Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock’s left-wing Green Party; and the pro-business pragmatists of Finance Minister Christian Lindner’s Free Democrats. Even that description of countervailing impulses oversimplifies the problem. In practice, there are six or seven “parties” in Germany’s government given the complex divisions within each party on foreign-policy matters.

Outsiders (my fellow Americans, this means you and me) frustrated with Mr. Scholz’s slowness to work with NATO allies on sanctions, military aid to Kyiv and the like might have underestimated these coalition-building challenges. From this perspective it’s near miraculous that Mr. Scholz announced on the first morning after Russia’s move into Eastern Ukraine this week that he would block the opening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

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That project is overwhelmingly popular among German voters. Its salesman in chief is the country’s last SPD chancellor, Gerhard Schröder. Willy Brandt’s “Ostpolitik” of rapprochement with Moscow in the late 1960s is the only original foreign-policy idea the SPD ever had, and pressure within the party to stick to that line is immense. Despite these headwinds, Mr. Scholz formed a tenuous consensus for a somewhat harder line on Russia.

But Mr. Scholz still only gets half a cheer, because this amounts to an enormous political effort to settle debates Berlin ought to have resolved 14 years ago, when Mr. Putin first started attacking Russia’s neighbors. Worse, the one strategic issue Berlin has managed to settle, it settled in exactly the wrong way.

That’s energy policy. Climate protection might as well be the established religion in Germany, complete with tithes in the form of consistently high energy prices. German politicians and citizens agree they want their future to be zero-carbon. They’ve all gotten a crash course the past month in how quickly that domestic-policy virtue signaling transmogrifies into a strategic vulnerability.

Germany remains heavily dependent on natural gas, which found favor there in recent decades as a lower-emissions “transition fuel” while Berlin ditched coal and nuclear but before enough windmills and solar panels were installed to power Europe’s largest economy. Germany remains heavily dependent on Russian natural gas because successive German governments tried as hard as possible to discourage themselves and the rest of the world from investing in non-Russian production and shipping.

Answering the Ukraine wake-up call here would mean adopting a new understanding of how this bunch of policies, once viewed solely through a domestic lens, affect national security or conflict with other values such as “solidarity” with Ukraine. A simple step, and a sign Germany is starting to get it, would be to delay the shutdown of the country’s remaining three nuclear plants scheduled this year.

Yet across multiple conversations with foreign-relations and economic experts here over the past two weeks, the only thing everyone agreed on is that nuclear power won’t return to Germany. The political consensus against it is too strong. Most of the experts understand, more or less, how dangerous this antinuclear policy is. Politicians and voters are in denial.

This isn’t to pick only on the Germans. Across Europe the same problem repeats itself. The U.K. is only now starting to discuss the vulnerability of its financial system to Russian money launderers and asset hiders because London has not previously been willing to jeopardize an economic model that relies excessively on its broad financial-services industry to generate jobs, gross domestic product and tax revenue. Cracking down on Russia there might require substantial regulatory and enforcement changes touching the entire industry. Italy faces German-style energy vulnerabilities thanks to its own hostility to nuclear power.

Waking up suggests not only a change in mental state from asleep to alert, but also a change in physical position from horizontal under the duvet to upright and dressed for the day. Alertness is not necessarily Europe’s shortfall here. Europe’s problem is that as awake as it is regarding the Putin threat, it still doesn’t want to get out of bed.

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Russia/US--Ukraine
« Reply #315 on: February 27, 2022, 01:07:24 PM »

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« Reply #316 on: February 27, 2022, 03:39:10 PM »
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The Economic Retaliation Against Russia Takes Shape
The headline measures involved SWIFT and restricting Moscow’s ample international reserves.
By: Antonia Colibasanu

The economic retaliation against Russia for invading Ukraine is starting to shape up. The United States announced on Feb. 24 that along with Canada, the United Kingdom and the European Union, it would impose a variety of sanctions against Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, military chief Valery Gerasimov and hundreds of members of the Russian parliament and Security Council, as well as a variety of businessmen and oligarchs, have been put on an asset freeze and travel ban list.

But among the most important measures is the disconnection of Russian banks from SWIFT, a member-owned association connecting more than 11,000 banks, financial institutions and corporations in more than 200 countries and territories, allowing them to communicate rapidly, securely and inexpensively. (Because SWIFT was formed in Belgium, it must comply with EU regulations. This is why even though the U.S. in theory could have pressured SWIFT to move even more quickly against Russia, it needed the EU on board.) It is a critical service provider, having a systemic role in supporting payment systems worldwide. In practical terms, SWIFT allows bank customers from corporations to students to pensioners to make daily transactions. It connects your account in your bank to another account in another bank, making rapid payments possible.

If all Russian banks are excluded from SWIFT, it will be extremely difficult for Russia to make financial transactions of nearly any kind internationally, let alone circumvent sanctions. In terms of registered users, it is the second-largest country in the association after the U.S. That includes about half (or roughly 300) of Russia’s financial institutions.

The obvious question the SWIFT issue raises is whether Europe, which is highly exposed to Russia’s economy, particularly on energy, might be shooting itself in the foot. But SWIFT notably doesn’t monitor the details of every transaction, and in any case, Western press releases all noted that only “select” banks would be disconnected. It’s possible the EU – led by Germany, a huge buyer of Russian hydrocarbons – has given itself room to continue to buy some Russian energy. Such things are still negotiated and details will be released soon.

Even so, the inability to use SWIFT for regular payments will hurt European economies operating in Russia. Energy firm BP, for example, is already considering divesting. London-listed Coca-Cola HBC, which bottles Coke for Russia, Ukraine and much of Central and Eastern Europe, employs 7,000 people. French yogurt maker Danone controls Russian dairy brand Prostokvashino and gets 6 percent of total sales from the country. (This is to say nothing of the many Asian companies operating in Russia that will likewise be affected.)

The belief is that the measures will hurt Russia much more than Europe. But as important, they are meant to buy time for businesses to adapt and react to changes affecting their operations. This is the EU after all. That means the process will be slow. It will take days or weeks for this to go into effect.

Fear, of course, moves faster, especially for Russian citizens who don’t know what to expect next. They have understandably rushed to banks and ATM machines to withdraw money. (Mastercard, Visa and ApplePay will no longer work for them once the SWIFT measures are implemented.)

However, Russia is insulated from its expulsion somewhat by the System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS), its homegrown version of SWIFT. Only about 20 percent of all domestic transfers are conducted through SPFS currently, but that figure will surely grow. It has plenty of drawbacks – it doesn’t work on the weekend, and messages are limited to a much smaller 20KB – but it has virtually no international exposure, and Belarus said in December that it would leave SWIFT for the SPFS.

Russia hopes expansion won’t stop there. Since 2019, Moscow has been planning to link the SPFS to Eurasian Economic Union members (Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan) as well as Iran, India and Turkey. Russia is also reportedly seeking to integrate the SPFS with the China-based Cross-Border Inter-Bank Payments System (CBIBPS), something that may be accelerated considering the current urgency.

But the SPFS’ success elsewhere will depend entirely on the state of the Russian economy. So far, things aren’t looking great: Many people are cashing in their deposits, and international businesses are thinking of leaving the country. Most withdrawals are taken out in dollars and euros. International companies closing down businesses will transfer their funds abroad in foreign currencies and those adapting will likely set up reserves in dollars or euros, all considered more reliable in times of crisis in Russia. All this is putting inflationary pressure on the Russian ruble. Uncertainty is unfriendly to the currency of an already weakened economy.

This is why, for the time being, the more potentially devastating sanctions involve restrictions on how Russia’s central bank can deploy its international reserves. They will certainly be implemented more quickly than SWIFT restrictions, and they will prevent Russia from using its reserves to combat inflation. (Note: Russia currently holds about $640 billion in reserves, more than half of which is held in foreign currencies. Demand for the Russian ruble is already low after three days of war in Ukraine. Moscow would need to increase liquidity to counteract this pressure – sell some of the dollars, euros or gold it held internationally and counter the increase in demand for foreign currency against the rubble on its internal market. But that will, of course, now be more difficult.)

More details will come out about the sanctions regime, which could always change, but from what we can tell so far they are bad for Russia and Russia alone. They introduce the prospect of hyperinflation – with no ability to use reserves to deter the already growing inflation, short of crucial imports, Russian production would become more expensive. Printing money will become the only solution, but the limited ability to pay for producing goods and services and mass unemployment will be just around the corner. Little wonder, then, that President Vladimir Putin has already asked for negotiations.

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« Reply #318 on: February 27, 2022, 04:04:28 PM »
GM:  Reluctant to run with that without some sort of confirmation , , ,  Any other sources on this?

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« Reply #319 on: February 27, 2022, 04:45:35 PM »

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« Reply #320 on: February 27, 2022, 05:08:17 PM »
Intriguing, but

a) It is only the Uke's word, and

b) I am blocked from seeing past the first two paragraphs.  Are you able to paste the whole article?

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US importing 600,000 barrels of oil per day from Russia
« Reply #321 on: February 28, 2022, 11:48:42 AM »
From 'Energy Independence' to this:

Paraphrasing Trump, 'You're gonna get tired of losing.'
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"U.S. is a net importer of crude oil"

US importing 600,000 barrels of oil per day from Russia

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/02/21/russia-is-a-major-supplier-of-oil-to-the-us/?sh=41c547d18c35

The 1970s called and wants their domestic and foreign policies back.

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GPF: Russia-Balkans
« Reply #322 on: February 28, 2022, 11:51:22 AM »
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What the Ukraine War Means for the Balkans
This is a region where separatist rhetoric can quickly turn violent.
By: Antonia Colibasanu
The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development is hosting the Western Balkans Investment Summit on Monday, with the leaders of Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Serbia all in attendance. The EU enlargement commissioner, Oliver Varhelyi, will also address the summit.

Important though the EBRD is – it’s the largest institutional investor in the region, having provided more than 15 billion euros ($17 billion) in funds to date – sometimes a summit is just a summit. But in light of the war in Ukraine, and the amount of attention the West is paying these countries, it reveals the fragility of the region.

On Feb. 24 – the day the EBRD announced the summit, and the day the invasion in Ukraine started – the European Union Force in Bosnia and Herzegovina (EUFOR) said it increased the number of peacekeepers in the country (some 500 soldiers comprising four companies) as a “precautionary measure” – less as a direct response to Ukraine and more as a way to get ahead of destabilized international security. Rumors about an additional deployment of troops at short notice abound, often citing unnamed EU officials.

Bosnia isn’t the only country in the region hosting peacekeeping forces. In Kosovo, the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) includes roughly 4,000 troops. They were last on alert in September 2021 when tensions rose between Serbia and Kosovo. Last week, there were fears of renewed tensions after Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic announced his country would not impose sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine – because Moscow did not sanction Belgrade in 1990 and has supported Serbia’s territorial integrity by not recognizing Kosovo’s independence. On Sunday, Kosovo asked the United States to establish a permanent military base in the country and speed up its integration into NATO after confirming it too will impose sanctions against Russia.

The Balkans are famously unstable. Bosnia, for example, consists of two autonomous entities: the Serb-majority Republika Srpska and the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, populated mainly by Bosniaks and Croats. Its government was structured by the Dayton Agreement in 1995, the idea being that it would be the best way for three embittered ethnicities to share power after the war. But bad blood persists, and little progress has since been made. With the economy going from bad to worse, the only thing the Croats, the Bosniaks and the Serbs living in the country seem to have in common is migrating to Western Europe where they can hope for a decent living. They blame politicians for not doing much for the stability of the country.

Ethnic Groups of Former Yugoslav States
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They may have a point; politicians rarely speak about socio-economic problems, preferring instead to cast blame and stoke their nationalist and separatist bases. In fact, EUFOR’s decision to deploy more troops comes only a few weeks after renewed ethnic tensions, thanks largely to calls from Milorad Dodik, the Serb member of the tripartite presidency, for an independent Republika Srpska.

The Serb Republic isn’t the only concern. Croat political parties have threatened to boycott elections in October if the electoral law isn’t amended to increase Croats’ presence in national institutions. On Feb. 19, the Croatian National Assembly, an umbrella organization that represents most Bosnian Croat political parties, threatened to launch legal procedures to create its own entity if its conditions are not met.

On Feb. 22, just after the EU discussed the situation in Bosnia, Croatia called for the next EU summit in March to discuss the political impasse in the country. The problem is that discussing doesn’t really solve the matter. Instead, the opponents of the West are taking all such summits as good excuses to increase their own rhetoric. Just as the EU foreign ministers were discussing the situation in Bosnia, Dodik accused the U.S. and the Europeans of favoring Bosnia's Muslim majority, the Bosniaks, in a way that destabilizes the country in the long run.

Which is why the war in Ukraine matters here. Russia is hugely influential in the Balkans, and Moscow has made similar comments as Dodik for years. Dodik has a good working relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and the Russian Embassy in Sarajevo has repeatedly said Russia would “react” if Bosnia ever took steps to join NATO. (Relatedly, this is why Kosovo’s recent request to join NATO is so consequential.) More important, Russia is Bosnia's biggest investor, and the country relies exclusively on Russia for its natural gas. Not to mention the years of strategic partnership between Russia and Republika Srpska that involved everything from helping Dodik politically to regular training of the republic’s security forces. In December 2021, Russia even promised to support Bosnian Serbs in their disputes over power-sharing in the country.

The conflict in Ukraine began with Russia recognizing the independence of the two separatist republics. A renewed crisis in the Balkans could start with Dodik thinking it’s time for Russia to recognize the independence of Republika Srpska. He has expressed support for the Russian invasion and said he is dissatisfied with Bosnia’s decision to cosign the EU statement condemning it. It’s certainly possible that he is stoking tensions to help carry him through elections, which he is wont to do, but considering the economic and political fragility of Bosnia, political chatter can turn into something much more violent.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe, Ruble, dollar sanctions
« Reply #323 on: March 01, 2022, 07:02:11 AM »
Ya, from money threD:
In Putin's words...on the US $
https://twitter.com/i/status/1195282924624465927
Vladimir Putin: "The Dollar Enjoyed Great Trust Around The World. But For Some Reason It Is Being Used As A Political Weapon, Imposing Restrictions. Many Countries Are Now Turning Away From The Dollar As A Reserve Currency. US Dollar Will Collapse Soon."
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That is in response to this, which is response to his act of war:
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1. Western nations dropped economic sanctions of historic scale on Russia that are hobbling its financial system and effectively reversing 30 years of post-Cold War engagement. The economic moves by the U.S. and Europe, in response to the invasion of Ukraine, reverberated Monday through Russia’s economy, which was largely cut off from much of the West, and hindered the ability of Russia’s central bank to manage the country’s financial system and mitigate the damage. Western banks and businesses added to the governments’ actions by halting operations in Russia and sales to Russian companies. Many cited the risks of potentially violating sanctions. In just days, Russia has been all-but-unplugged from a global system that powered its transition from a closed, government-controlled economy to a more modern one that yielded Western goods, foreign travel and a middle-class lifestyle. (Source: bloomberg.com, wsj.com)

2. The U.S. and European Union blocked Russia’s central bank from using its emergency reserves to protect the economy from the Western pressure campaign, a salvo the bank’s governor said risked triggering a financial crisis. The coordinated action blocks the central bank from selling dollars, euros and other foreign currencies in its reserves stockpile to stabilize the ruble. Announcing the move Monday in Washington before U.S. markets opened, U.S. officials said they intended the sanctions to stoke already surging inflation, and the actions against the Bank of Russia are intended in effect to neutralize the country’s monetary defenses. The sanctions also target another major government stockpile of assets, a key sovereign-wealth fund called the Russian Direct Investment Fund, and prevent Moscow from using other government and private banks to sidestep sanctions on its financial system, the officials said. (Source: wsj.com)

3. U.S. payment card firms Visa and Mastercard have blocked multiple Russian financial institutions from their network, complying with government sanctions imposed over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. Yesterday, Visa said it was taking prompt action to ensure compliance with applicable sanctions, adding that it will donate $2 million for humanitarian aid. Mastercard also promised to contribute $2 million. "We will continue to work with regulators in the days ahead to abide fully by our compliance obligations as they evolve," Mastercard said in a separate statement late on Monday. The government sanctions require Visa to suspend access to its network for entities listed as Specially Designated Nationals, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. The United States has added various Russian financial firms to the list, including the country's central bank and second-largest lender VTB. (Source: reuters.com)

4. Shipping giant Maersk will temporarily halt all container shipping to and from Russia, deepening the country’s isolation as its invasion of Ukraine sparks an exodus of Western companies. The West has imposed heavy restrictions on Russia to close off its economy and block it from the global financial system, effectively making it "uninvestable" and encouraging companies to halt sales, cut ties and dump tens of billions of dollars worth of investments. (Source: reuters.com) 
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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #325 on: March 01, 2022, 07:54:30 AM »
"At present, NATO has 30 members. In 1949, there were 12 founding members of the Alliance: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom and the United States. The other member countries are: Greece and Turkey (1952), Germany (1955), Spain (1982), the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland (1999), Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia (2004), Albania and Croatia (2009), Montenegro (2017) and North Macedonia (2020)."

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_52044.htm




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Re: Russia/US-- Europe ... might start a nuclear war
« Reply #329 on: March 01, 2022, 10:52:42 AM »
(What is GAE?)
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Every time I hear, 'we've got Putin backed into a corner", I wonder, is that a good thing?


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Re: Euro vaginitis strikes again!
« Reply #332 on: March 01, 2022, 01:38:05 PM »

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #333 on: March 01, 2022, 01:40:44 PM »
Grrr , , , a fair point , , , grrr

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe ... might start a nuclear war
« Reply #334 on: March 01, 2022, 02:13:14 PM »
(What is GAE?)
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Every time I hear, 'we've got Putin backed into a corner", I wonder, is that a good thing?

Globalist American Empire
Alternately Gay American Empire as the only flag they have any attachment towards is the rainbow flag.

As Sun Tzu said "Give Putin a golden bridge to exit Ukraine from, lest he crash your grid and turn your cities into radioactive glass".

That may not be a direct quote.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #335 on: March 01, 2022, 02:29:25 PM »
The danger of course is that he takes that bridge as a green light to "victory".

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #336 on: March 01, 2022, 02:43:24 PM »
The danger of course is that he takes that bridge as a green light to "victory".

Unlikely. The Russian performance has been seriously lacking. Russia has invested roughly half its military might in this operation, the losses they have taken at this point will have an adverse impact they will feel for years.



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Re: Russia/US-- Europe ... might start a nuclear war
« Reply #339 on: March 01, 2022, 09:21:48 PM »
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220228-belarus-approves-hosting-nuclear-weapons-russian-forces-permanently

(What is GAE?)
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Globalist American Empire
Alternately Gay American Empire as the only flag they have any attachment towards is the rainbow flag.

As Sun Tzu said "Give Putin a golden bridge to exit Ukraine from, lest he crash your grid and turn your cities into radioactive glass".

That may not be a direct quote.

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Poland
« Reply #341 on: March 02, 2022, 06:37:51 AM »
ASSESSMENTS
How the Ukraine War Will Impact Poland
6 MIN READMar 1, 2022 | 22:00 GMT





Refugees from Ukraine line up to enter Poland on Feb. 28 at the border crossing in Medyka, Poland.
Refugees from Ukraine line up to enter Poland on Feb. 28 at the border crossing in Medyka, Poland.

(WOJTEK RADWANSKI/AFP via Getty Images)

While Poland faces no immediate threat of Russian military aggression, it is exposed to unconventional attacks from Moscow that will keep tensions high in the coming weeks. The events in Ukraine could also negatively impact the Polish economy, while the influx of migrants from Ukraine could produce a nationalist backlash. Poland's primary geopolitical concern is a potential Russian attack, which explains why it is one of the most hawkish EU and NATO member states when it comes to calling for sanctions against Russia. But Poland faces no immediate threat of Russian invasion because it is covered by NATO's collective defense framework, and Russia is not interested in going to war with the alliance. Russia's response to EU sanctions, however, will likely include unconventional aggressions such as cyberattacks against governments and businesses and disinformation campaigns. So while Poland faces no direct military threat from Russia, the risk of other forms of warfare will remain high for several weeks.

Russia's actions in Ukraine are likely to cause Poland to increase its military spending. The country already is one of the few NATO member states that meets the alliance's target of spending at least 2% of its gross domestic product on defense spending. Russia's invasion of Ukraine will make it easier for Poland's military establishment to convince politicians to increase defense spending, and will also motivate the government to spend more on cybersecurity.

In the short term, the events in Ukraine will reduce tensions between Poland and the European Commission and pause threats from Brussels to cut Warsaw's funding. For years, Brussels has accused Warsaw of increasing political control of the judiciary and pressuring independent media, while Warsaw has accused Brussels of interfering in Polish domestic affairs. This is a risky confrontation for Warsaw, because the commission has threatened to suspend EU funding, of which Poland is a net receiver. The need to show a united front against Russia and Poland's exposure to events in Ukraine, however, will likely result in a truce between Brussels and Warsaw that will reduce the risk of cutting much-needed EU funding for Poland, at least temporarily.

In mid-February, the European Court of Justice ruled that a mechanism to link the disbursement of EU funds to respecting the bloc's values and norms is legal. This gives the European Commission leverage in its dealings with member states that refuse to comply with the bloc's rules.
Despite a temporary truce with Brussels, EU sanctions against Russia and the probable collapse of the Ukrainian economy will negatively impact Poland. Trade between Russia and Poland is not particularly strong, but Poland imports goods such as fertilizers and chemicals from Russia and exports agricultural products to Russia, all of which could be affected by the combination of trade sanctions and the negative economic impact of war on the Russian economy. In recent years Poland has reduced its reliance on Russian natural gas by increasing its liquefied natural gas imports, which means that it is in a relatively good position to withstand eventual reductions in Russian exports to Europe. But if the Ukraine crisis continues to result in higher oil prices around the world, it could have an inflationary impact on Poland. In the meantime, trade between Poland and Ukraine is relatively small, with only about 2% of Poland's exports going to Ukraine. Still, should the war with Russia continue for several weeks, it would probably have a severe impact on the Ukrainian economy that will in turn have a negative impact on Polish exports at a time when Poland is still recovering from the COVID-19 pandemic.

In late 2021, the Polish government announced that it will not sign another long-term supply contract with Russian energy giant Gazprom after its current contract expires at the end of 2022. Instead, Warsaw plans to replace Russian natural gas imports with LNG imports, supplies from the upcoming Baltic Pipe (which will transport natural gas from Norway) and spot deals. In addition, Poland plans to supply the parts of the country that are the farthest away from its LNG terminal through the upcoming Poland-Slovakia gas interconnector, which will become operational in late 2022.

On Feb. 21, Polish Deputy Prime Minister Jacek Sasin said that natural gas storage facilities in Poland are 80-90% full, which would delay for weeks the impact of Russia cutting its supplies to the country.

The increase in migrants from Ukraine could over time produce a nationalist backlash in Poland. While in the short term Polish authorities and local communities will welcome these migrants out of solidarity, in the long run, a significant spike in the arrival of Ukrainians could produce mixed results in Poland. On the one hand, it could help Poland mitigate the demographic impact of low fertility rates and high emigration rates by providing a significant influx of young Ukrainians seeking to enter the Polish workforce. On the other, it could also generate a nationalist reaction in Poland, especially in rural areas in the east of the country where the standards of living are lower and where some of the migrants at least initially will likely be housed. Poland's nationalist government is critical of immigration, which means that after the Ukraine crisis is over Polish authorities could take a stricter stance on Ukrainian immigrants. Poland will hold a legislative election in late 2023, and immigration is likely to be a central issue of the electoral campaign.

According to the United Nations, more than 520,000 people have left Ukraine since the beginning of the war with Russia, with more than half of them going (280,000) to Poland and the rest opting for Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Moldova. While most of them are Ukrainian nationals, there are also thousands of nationals from African and Middle Eastern countries who were studying or working in Ukraine; their arrival is more likely to provoke a nationalist backlash in Poland.

Around 1.5 million Ukrainian nationals currently live in Poland. Poland's growing economy, higher standards of living and cultural similarities with Ukraine are some of the main reasons for migration. According to EU data, most Ukrainian migrants are under 40 years of age.
More than a million Polish citizens left the country in the decade that followed Poland's EU accession in 2004. Poland's fertility rate stands at 1.4 children per woman, one of the lowest in the world. If it remains unchanged, this combination of high emigration and low fertility rates will result in the aging and reduction of Poland's population in the coming decades.

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We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #342 on: March 02, 2022, 09:37:21 AM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=258&v=2jy3JU-ORpo&feature=emb_logo

Luckily, we have very smart people running things on our side, so there is no way this could happen!


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Re: We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #345 on: March 02, 2022, 11:03:49 AM »
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017/february/escalate-de-escalate

"Today the communist ideology is gone, but the Soviet threat perception remains the same—Russia considers the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) its main enemies."

   - We are such a threat to them; we might attack unprovoked at any time.  Oh wait, is it the other way around?

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Re: We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #346 on: March 02, 2022, 11:08:32 AM »
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017/february/escalate-de-escalate

"Today the communist ideology is gone, but the Soviet threat perception remains the same—Russia considers the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) its main enemies."

   - We are such a threat to them; we might attack unprovoked at any time.  Oh wait, is it the other way around?

We have been encroaching on them since the end of the Cold War, just exactly as we promised we wouldn’t.

It doesn’t matter if we agree with their worldview, Russia sees NATO as a threat and and has made very clear for a long time where their red lines were.


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Re: We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #347 on: March 02, 2022, 11:15:27 AM »
From Matt Bracken:


You might not agree with an adversary (Russia in this case), but to dismiss and ignore their legitimate security concerns is dangerously stupid. It is always wise to look at a war or a potential war from the other side's perspective, if only to improve the effectiveness of your own efforts.

Russia is not Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya or Serbia, easy (and safe) for America and NATO to slap around. Russia has the most powerful nuclear force on the planet. Miscalculation over Ukraine can rapidly escalate into full-blown war and a nuclear exchange. For Russia, Ukraine joining NATO is a redline worth going to war over. We ignore this at our own peril.

In 1962, we already had medium-range nuclear-armed ballistic missiles in Turkey. When the USSR obtained a client state (Cuba) 100 miles from Florida, they thought it would be fair turnabout to also have their own MRBMs in range of America. (ICBMs were not yet available.) When the missiles were discovered in Cuba, the result was that America was outraged, rightly, and we very nearly had a nuclear exchange.

It was not "JFK backed down Khrushchev!" as American media portrayed it. Diplomats and generals on both sides later wrote that we came within a hair-breadth of a full nuclear exchange. In the deal that was worked out, we also (quietly) removed our MRBMs from Turkey. Part of the agreement was that the USSR would not crow about how they forced us to move our missiles out of Turkey.

Today Russia looks at Ukraine, and they see it as the 1942 invasion route of the Nazis, which came very close to cutting off their Caspian oil, which would have caused the rapid collapse and defeat of the USSR. The idea of NATO forces prepositioned across Ukraine, directly on the Russian border, armed with tanks and MRBMs, is a redline they have repeatedly said they could not tolerate.

The Russians think: at least the Germans had to fight their way to Ukraine and and then across it. How much worse to have NATO forces already in Ukraine, poised in striking range with missiles and tanks, ready to nuke Moscow in minutes, and occupy or destroy the Caspian oil fields in days?

We teased Ukraine into believing that if they were compliant with American, EU and NATO desires, they'd eventually join both groups. Instead, Russia was provoked into removing the possibility of NATO forces ever being positioned in Ukraine by their own invasion. This was all entirely foreseeable.

Imagine Khrushchev saying to JFK: "Our Cuban allies requested these armaments to protect them from continued Yankee aggression. So screw you, our missiles will stay in Cuba." It would have meant nuclear war. This is how dire the Russians consider even the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO as a full partner.

We ignore their perspective at our own peril.



https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2017/february/escalate-de-escalate

"Today the communist ideology is gone, but the Soviet threat perception remains the same—Russia considers the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) its main enemies."

   - We are such a threat to them; we might attack unprovoked at any time.  Oh wait, is it the other way around?

We have been encroaching on them since the end of the Cold War, just exactly as we promised we wouldn’t.

It doesn’t matter if we agree with their worldview, Russia sees NATO as a threat and and has made very clear for a long time where their red lines were.

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Re: We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #348 on: March 02, 2022, 11:18:02 AM »
Like the way we went after Chechnya, Georgia, Caucasus, Crimea and all of Ukraine?  Oh wait...

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Re: We are on the razor’s edge of this
« Reply #349 on: March 02, 2022, 11:26:08 AM »
Like the way we went after Chechnya, Georgia, Caucasus, Crimea and all of Ukraine?  Oh wait...

Trump deterred Putin. Stolen elections have consequences.

What should the US and/or NATO do?