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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #400 on: March 07, 2022, 11:16:19 AM »
Doug,

What do you propose the US does above and beyond what is already being done?

And please do not tell us about re opening oil drilling here
we all know this already
and know the Biden will not allow that

so what else would have us do?

sometimes we can't fix what goes on in other parts of the world without more sacrifice and risk than  it is worth.

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We are saved from Feckless Blinken by the Poles
« Reply #401 on: March 07, 2022, 12:17:14 PM »
Poland Will Not Send Its Fighter Jets to Ukraine Amid Russia Conflict: Official
By Jack Phillips March 7, 2022 Updated: March 7, 2022biggersmaller Print
Poland’s military has not and won’t send its fighter jets to Ukraine to support the country’s military against Russia, said a deputy foreign minister.

Marcin Przydacz, the deputy minister, told Radio Zet that “we will not open our airports and Polish planes will not fight over Ukraine … Polish planes will not fight over Ukraine.” Another government spokesman, Piotr Mueller, said that the move to provide planes was still being discussed within NATO, but added that “at this stage it doesn’t look like such a decision will be made,” according to a translation of his statement, reported by Polish media.

On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that Poland, a member of NATO, has been given the “green light” to send fighter planes to Ukrainian forces.

“In fact, we’re talking with our Polish friends right now about what we might be able to do to backfill their needs if, in fact, they choose to provide these fighter jets to the Ukrainians. What can we do? How can we help to make sure that they get something to backfill the planes that they are handing over to the Ukrainians?” Blinken told CBS News.

Since the conflict started on Feb. 24, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government have repeatedly asked the United States and NATO to send weapons, including fighter planes to defend the country’s airspace against Russia.

“We are working with our American, especially, friends and allies, on the steady supply of all the ammunition and anti-air, anti-tank, and planes to be able to effectively defend our country,” Ukraine’s Ambassador to the United States, Oksana Markarova, said on Sunday.

But over the weekend, Russia’s Defense Ministry issued a warning to other countries about sending fighter planes.

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A Ukrainian man rides his bicycle near a factory and a store burning after it was bombarded in Irpin, on the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, on March 6, 2022. (Emilio Morenatti/AP Photo)
“The use of the airfield networks of these countries to base Ukrainian military aircraft and their subsequent use against the Russian armed forces may be regarded as the involvement of these states in an armed conflict,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told the Interfax news agency on Sunday.

Konashenkov said Russia’s Defense Ministry is aware of “Ukrainian combat planes which earlier flew to Romania and other neighboring countries,” without elaborating.

Meanwhile, there have been calls by Zelensky’s government to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine, which NATO and the White House said would escalate the conflict.

While saying a no-fly zone is not being considered, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters late last week that the move would lead to NATO and U.S. military planes attacking Russian assets in order to enforce such a policy.

On Sunday morning, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) told ABC News that a no-fly zone over Ukraine could lead to a third world war or possibly a nuclear conflict.

“A no-fly zone has become a catchphrase. I’m not sure a lot of people fully understand what that means,” Rubio told ABC News. “That means flying AWACS 24 hours a day, that means the willingness to shoot down and engage Russian airplanes in the sky. That means, frankly, you can’t put those planes up there unless they’re willing to knock out the anti-aircraft systems that the Russians have deployed in, and not just in Ukraine, but Russia and also in Belarus,” Rubio said.
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Quelle surprise-- here is Putin's offer
« Reply #402 on: March 07, 2022, 12:18:20 PM »
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RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR
Russia Says Military Action Will Stop ‘In a Moment’ If Ukraine Meets Certain Conditions
By Zachary Stieber March 7, 2022 Updated: March 7, 2022biggersmaller Print
Russia will immediately stop military action in Ukraine if certain conditions are met, including recognizing portions of eastern Ukraine as independent, a Kremlin spokesperson said March 7.

Ukraine must stop fighting, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, known together as Donbas, as independent territories, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Ukrainian officials are aware of the demands and “were told all this can be stopped in a moment,” Peskov added.

Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Top Russian officials have described the incursion as a “special military operation” aimed at rooting out “Nazis” and forcing Ukraine to disarm over alleged violations of earlier pacts. Ukrainian officials have condemned the invasion as unwarranted, and many Western countries have punished Russia with sanctions over the conflict.

Peskov said Russia will finish “the demilitarization of Ukraine” and that Ukraine should cease fighting.

In addition to altering the constitution to block entrance into any bloc, such as NATO, “we have also spoken about how they should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states,” Peskov added. “And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed the demands to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during a call over the weekend, according to the Kremlin.

“It was stressed that the suspension of the special operation is possible only if Kyiv ceases the military actions and fulfills Russia’s demands that were made perfectly clear,” Russia reported, according to state-run media.

Erdogan urged Putin on the call to agree to a ceasefire while a broader agreement is hammered out, his office said, while also stating he had been able to schedule a meeting in Antalya with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Ukrainian and Russian negotiating teams are scheduled to meet later on Monday.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told reporters before that Zelensky “will certainly not make any concessions that could humiliate Ukrainians in their fight for territorial integrity and freedom.”

Negotiators have met twice since the war started but have failed to reach agreements on anything besides opening humanitarian corridors to allow the evacuation of people from places under attack.

That agreement was partially breached because Russians didn’t adhere to the parameters, according to Ukrainian officials.

A fresh slate of corridors announced Monday was decried by Ukrainian officials because the corridors led to Russia or Belarus.

Zelensky, meanwhile, called for the world to boycott Russian exports, especially oil.

“If the invasion continues and Russia doesn’t give up on its plans against Ukraine, it means that new sanctions, new steps against the war and for the peace are necessary,” he said in a speech.

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Re: Look at the carnage Putin did!
« Reply #405 on: March 07, 2022, 02:29:06 PM »
Hitler had something like 18 million troops. Putin has less than a million, much of which is already bogged down in Ukraine. He also has an economy the size of Italy's. He is europe's problem, not ours.
Ain't no Russian ever called me a deplorable.

Germany had 550,000 troops in 1935. Russia has 6 times as many tanks now as Germany did in 1940. Plus stealth bombers plus nuclear, oops.  Can't we just say both are or were a major threat and have or had similar ambitions.

Funny that today we know we are on the brink of a world War and in the late 30s we did not.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #406 on: March 07, 2022, 02:48:54 PM »
Doug,

What do you propose the US does above and beyond what is already being done?

And please do not tell us about re opening oil drilling here
we all know this already
and know the Biden will not allow that

so what else would have us do?

sometimes we can't fix what goes on in other parts of the world without more sacrifice and risk than  it is worth.

We aren't very far apart on policy.  Hands tied, not fair to ask what I would do and not count anything Biden won't do like drilling.  Needless to say, I don't have the Silver Bullet answer.

Everything short of ground troops and nuclear would be under consideration in phases 1-5 and then reconsider that.

History might show Putin bit off more than he could chew and this fizzles out with medium amounts of carnage and territory lost. History also might say we should have done more  to stop him while we could.

What does China take from this?  Taiwan is not in NATO. Is Taiwan our fault? Did we provoke Xi by helping Taiwan defend itself? Is Taiwan Asia's problem.
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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #407 on: March 07, 2022, 03:17:19 PM »
"Hands tied, not fair to ask what I would do and not count anything Biden won't do like drilling"

well yeah the libs and globalists elites etc did tie are hands......

so be mad at them for believing putin would do nothing while they keep adding more countries to Nato

no one here is saying putin is a nice guy,
who should be called a genius, or we should not criticize him.

there simply is nothing else we can do short of sending in the air force
or other military

so we should we escalate the military in your view ?








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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #408 on: March 07, 2022, 04:02:26 PM »
Arm the Ukes!  Just like we did the Mujahadeen!

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #409 on: March 07, 2022, 04:26:55 PM »

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Re: Quelle surprise-- here is Putin's offer
« Reply #410 on: March 07, 2022, 04:41:55 PM »
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245343

Blood on our hands.


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RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR
Russia Says Military Action Will Stop ‘In a Moment’ If Ukraine Meets Certain Conditions
By Zachary Stieber March 7, 2022 Updated: March 7, 2022biggersmaller Print
Russia will immediately stop military action in Ukraine if certain conditions are met, including recognizing portions of eastern Ukraine as independent, a Kremlin spokesperson said March 7.

Ukraine must stop fighting, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, known together as Donbas, as independent territories, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Ukrainian officials are aware of the demands and “were told all this can be stopped in a moment,” Peskov added.

Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Top Russian officials have described the incursion as a “special military operation” aimed at rooting out “Nazis” and forcing Ukraine to disarm over alleged violations of earlier pacts. Ukrainian officials have condemned the invasion as unwarranted, and many Western countries have punished Russia with sanctions over the conflict.

Peskov said Russia will finish “the demilitarization of Ukraine” and that Ukraine should cease fighting.

In addition to altering the constitution to block entrance into any bloc, such as NATO, “we have also spoken about how they should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states,” Peskov added. “And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed the demands to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during a call over the weekend, according to the Kremlin.

“It was stressed that the suspension of the special operation is possible only if Kyiv ceases the military actions and fulfills Russia’s demands that were made perfectly clear,” Russia reported, according to state-run media.

Erdogan urged Putin on the call to agree to a ceasefire while a broader agreement is hammered out, his office said, while also stating he had been able to schedule a meeting in Antalya with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Ukrainian and Russian negotiating teams are scheduled to meet later on Monday.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told reporters before that Zelensky “will certainly not make any concessions that could humiliate Ukrainians in their fight for territorial integrity and freedom.”

Negotiators have met twice since the war started but have failed to reach agreements on anything besides opening humanitarian corridors to allow the evacuation of people from places under attack.

That agreement was partially breached because Russians didn’t adhere to the parameters, according to Ukrainian officials.

A fresh slate of corridors announced Monday was decried by Ukrainian officials because the corridors led to Russia or Belarus.

Zelensky, meanwhile, called for the world to boycott Russian exports, especially oil.

“If the invasion continues and Russia doesn’t give up on its plans against Ukraine, it means that new sanctions, new steps against the war and for the peace are necessary,” he said in a speech.

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Re: Look at the carnage Putin did!
« Reply #411 on: March 07, 2022, 05:49:21 PM »
Hitler had something like 18 million troops. Putin has less than a million, much of which is already bogged down in Ukraine. He also has an economy the size of Italy's. He is europe's problem, not ours.
Ain't no Russian ever called me a deplorable.

Germany had 550,000 troops in 1935. Russia has 6 times as many tanks now as Germany did in 1940. Plus stealth bombers plus nuclear, oops.  Can't we just say both are or were a major threat and have or had similar ambitions.

Funny that today we know we are on the brink of a world War and in the late 30s we did not.

I looked it up, Nazi Germany had 13.5 million soldiers (roughly). Putin has less than a million. How does he scale it upwards given his financial and demographic constraints?

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Re: Quelle surprise-- here is Putin's offer
« Reply #412 on: March 07, 2022, 06:19:58 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/stunning-admission-ukraine-former-top-level-cia-official

You.Don't.Say.


https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245343

Blood on our hands.


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RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR
Russia Says Military Action Will Stop ‘In a Moment’ If Ukraine Meets Certain Conditions
By Zachary Stieber March 7, 2022 Updated: March 7, 2022biggersmaller Print
Russia will immediately stop military action in Ukraine if certain conditions are met, including recognizing portions of eastern Ukraine as independent, a Kremlin spokesperson said March 7.

Ukraine must stop fighting, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, known together as Donbas, as independent territories, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Ukrainian officials are aware of the demands and “were told all this can be stopped in a moment,” Peskov added.

Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Top Russian officials have described the incursion as a “special military operation” aimed at rooting out “Nazis” and forcing Ukraine to disarm over alleged violations of earlier pacts. Ukrainian officials have condemned the invasion as unwarranted, and many Western countries have punished Russia with sanctions over the conflict.

Peskov said Russia will finish “the demilitarization of Ukraine” and that Ukraine should cease fighting.

In addition to altering the constitution to block entrance into any bloc, such as NATO, “we have also spoken about how they should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states,” Peskov added. “And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed the demands to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during a call over the weekend, according to the Kremlin.

“It was stressed that the suspension of the special operation is possible only if Kyiv ceases the military actions and fulfills Russia’s demands that were made perfectly clear,” Russia reported, according to state-run media.

Erdogan urged Putin on the call to agree to a ceasefire while a broader agreement is hammered out, his office said, while also stating he had been able to schedule a meeting in Antalya with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Ukrainian and Russian negotiating teams are scheduled to meet later on Monday.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told reporters before that Zelensky “will certainly not make any concessions that could humiliate Ukrainians in their fight for territorial integrity and freedom.”

Negotiators have met twice since the war started but have failed to reach agreements on anything besides opening humanitarian corridors to allow the evacuation of people from places under attack.

That agreement was partially breached because Russians didn’t adhere to the parameters, according to Ukrainian officials.

A fresh slate of corridors announced Monday was decried by Ukrainian officials because the corridors led to Russia or Belarus.

Zelensky, meanwhile, called for the world to boycott Russian exports, especially oil.

“If the invasion continues and Russia doesn’t give up on its plans against Ukraine, it means that new sanctions, new steps against the war and for the peace are necessary,” he said in a speech.

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Re: Quelle surprise-- here is Putin's offer
« Reply #413 on: March 07, 2022, 07:22:33 PM »
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/100/904/694/original/c5dbd5583de4fb34.png



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/stunning-admission-ukraine-former-top-level-cia-official

You.Don't.Say.


https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245343

Blood on our hands.


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RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR
Russia Says Military Action Will Stop ‘In a Moment’ If Ukraine Meets Certain Conditions
By Zachary Stieber March 7, 2022 Updated: March 7, 2022biggersmaller Print
Russia will immediately stop military action in Ukraine if certain conditions are met, including recognizing portions of eastern Ukraine as independent, a Kremlin spokesperson said March 7.

Ukraine must stop fighting, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, known together as Donbas, as independent territories, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Ukrainian officials are aware of the demands and “were told all this can be stopped in a moment,” Peskov added.

Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Top Russian officials have described the incursion as a “special military operation” aimed at rooting out “Nazis” and forcing Ukraine to disarm over alleged violations of earlier pacts. Ukrainian officials have condemned the invasion as unwarranted, and many Western countries have punished Russia with sanctions over the conflict.

Peskov said Russia will finish “the demilitarization of Ukraine” and that Ukraine should cease fighting.

In addition to altering the constitution to block entrance into any bloc, such as NATO, “we have also spoken about how they should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states,” Peskov added. “And that’s it. It will stop in a moment.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed the demands to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during a call over the weekend, according to the Kremlin.

“It was stressed that the suspension of the special operation is possible only if Kyiv ceases the military actions and fulfills Russia’s demands that were made perfectly clear,” Russia reported, according to state-run media.

Erdogan urged Putin on the call to agree to a ceasefire while a broader agreement is hammered out, his office said, while also stating he had been able to schedule a meeting in Antalya with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Ukrainian and Russian negotiating teams are scheduled to meet later on Monday.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told reporters before that Zelensky “will certainly not make any concessions that could humiliate Ukrainians in their fight for territorial integrity and freedom.”

Negotiators have met twice since the war started but have failed to reach agreements on anything besides opening humanitarian corridors to allow the evacuation of people from places under attack.

That agreement was partially breached because Russians didn’t adhere to the parameters, according to Ukrainian officials.

A fresh slate of corridors announced Monday was decried by Ukrainian officials because the corridors led to Russia or Belarus.

Zelensky, meanwhile, called for the world to boycott Russian exports, especially oil.

“If the invasion continues and Russia doesn’t give up on its plans against Ukraine, it means that new sanctions, new steps against the war and for the peace are necessary,” he said in a speech.

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Tucker on a rampage!
« Reply #414 on: March 07, 2022, 08:03:38 PM »

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #415 on: March 08, 2022, 06:37:07 AM »
Two different takes on Putin and the strategy to stop him.

How to defeat him, The Atlantic, I don't fully agree::
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-strategy-that-can-defeat-putin/ar-AAUJVFT
 
  - Take all of what he says and add drill, baby, drill to it.

And things will get worse, by Walter Russell Mead:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putins-war-will-get-uglier-ukraine-russia-war-stalin-czars-history-empire-soviet-union-11646688611?mod=djemalertNEWS

WRM is right, Putin will choose double down on military failure in Ukraine and oppression at home.  Only Ukraine surrender (or assassination from within) will stop him.

First article makes the point I'm asking, this is not Czechoslovakia 1938, and G M's point, his army is not the weirmacht (sp?).

Doug:  Is Putin falling into the US trap of Vietnam, Afghanistan etc., if you cannot use nuclear weapons to win the conflict, they are of no value.  He has already threatened their use.  So then it is back to the conventional war and seeing which side has more determination, Ukrainians defending their homeland or a Russian army that doesn't want to be there.

Arm the Ukrainians. Bankrupt Putin. Fight back if he shoots as much as a firecracker across any other border.

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« Reply #416 on: March 08, 2022, 06:43:54 AM »
Two different takes on Putin and the strategy to stop him.

How to defeat him, The Atlantic, I don't fully agree::
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-strategy-that-can-defeat-putin/ar-AAUJVFT
 
  - Take all of what he says and add drill, baby, drill to it.

And things will get worse, by Walter Russell Mead:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putins-war-will-get-uglier-ukraine-russia-war-stalin-czars-history-empire-soviet-union-11646688611?mod=djemalertNEWS

WRM is right, Putin will choose double down on military failure in Ukraine and oppression at home.  Only Ukraine surrender (or assassination from within) will stop him.

First article makes the point I'm asking, this is not Czechoslovakia 1938, and G M's point, his army is not the weirmacht (sp?).

Doug:  Is Putin falling into the US trap of Vietnam, Afghanistan etc., if you cannot use nuclear weapons to win the conflict, they are of no value.  He has already threatened their use.  So then it is back to the conventional war and seeing which side has more determination, Ukrainians defending their homeland or a Russian army that doesn't want to be there.

Arm the Ukrainians. Bankrupt Putin. Fight back if he shoots as much as a firecracker across any other border.

NATO member states in eastern europe are much more likely to be invaded by muslim rape gangs imported by western europe than the Russian army.


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« Reply #418 on: March 08, 2022, 12:11:17 PM »
Very timely post!!!

Here is one of mine from FB in response to another post:

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Mostly agree, but I disagree on one major point.

To summarize my thinking:

America has what we call the Monroe Doctrine (for those of us not familiar with it, look it up) The MD is simple and primal: Don't Stand Too Close To Me-- hence the Cuban Missile Crisis.

We have insisted upon it, and we should respect the concern of others in this regard. In this context it is irrelevant what kind of a man Putin is. Just as we would not want Mexico in military alliance with Russia or China, Russia deserves similar respect for reasons of primal geopolitical principles.

Putin has made clear for some 18 years now that he regarded Ukraine into NATO as a red line violation of his MD space, yet Obama-Biden-Clinton-the State Dept (Nuland-Farkas-Vindman-et al)-the Pentagon have pushed in this direction with an incoherent mix of corruption and weakness (e.g. Sec State Hillary signing off of Russia acquiring 25% of American uranium as Bill grifted big bucks from Russia, while sending only MREs and blankets when Putin seized Crimea, Hunter's grifting operation in Ukraine to the corrupt benefit of his father while disabling American oil and NG energy and strengthening Russian energy etc etc etc)

(Also see a similar push for Georgia that Putin bitch slapped down with his invasion of Ossetia in 2008, also with geopolitical NG pipeline issues being part of the mix)

President Trump got in front of the momentum of this Deep State institutional freight train. He saw that:

Driving Russia into the arms of China would be a geopolitical error of catastrophic proportions AND that strength was required.

To this end he rebuilt American arms and their credibility-- no shame of the Biden exit from Afghanistan for him! Instead he killed Bagdaddy of Isis, Suleiman of Iran, killed 250 Russian Wagner mercenaries in Syria and sent 29 missiles up the ass of a Russian airfield in Syria when they chem attacked Syrian civilians.

HE MADE AMERICA AN ENERGY EXPORTER-- contrast the incoherence of the Dem Deep State on this that now finances Russia's attack!!!
Very much worth noting is how he got in Europe's face on this-- particularly Germany (which in effect in recent days has now admitted he was right) demanding that Germany and other NATO countries meet their commitments to NATO-- all to the howls of the Dems and their running dogs (mocking use of an old Russian communist term here) in the MSM.

It is no coincidence that Uke born Col. Vindman of the NSC (who was offered the Uke Defense Ministry!!!) was a major player in the first Trump impeachment in which he virtue signaled he came forward as a whistle blower because President Trump was violating American policy toward Russia!

The hubris of the Deep State mind revealed is stunning. The American PRESIDENT is the one who sets policy! and Trump ran precisely on finding a way of working with Russia!

And what was at the core of the Trump impeachment? His wanting to get at the core of the Biden & Son grifting operation in Ukraine! And we have the hubris to call them corrupt?!?

(Worth noting is that Pelosi's son and other American ruling class children were in on the corruption in Ukrainian energy sector as well)

THERE WAS A DEAL TO BE HAD: UKE NEUTRALITY IN RETURN FOR RESPECT OF UKE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY. BY REJECTING THIS TEAM BIDEN REJECTED PUTIN'S LONG AND OPENLY DECLARED RED LINE. TEAM BIDEN IGNORED THE WARNING GROWL OF HIS GRADUAL TROOP BUILD UP.

NONE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW WAS NECESSARY BUT FOR THE FECKLESS STUPIDITY OF TEAM BIDEN.

And now we have what we have. There is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. Obama-Biden-Clinton-the State Dept (Nuland-Farkas-Vindman-et al)-the Pentagon have gotten the war that they have pushed for.

Wag the Dog anyone?!?

Watch how this is and will be played in the arena of American electoral politics and decide for yourself!

"The US and Russia have been arming and funding each other’s adversaries/allies since the beginning of the Cold War"

Agree 100%.

"The Russians will not use nukes in response to this or start a full-scale war. They’re bluffing, straight up."

If by "this" you mean giving Migs out of NATO Poland to the Ukes, I disagree.

They HAVE started a full-scale war in response to Obama-Biden-Clinton-the State Dept (Nuland-Farkas-Vindman-et al)-the Pentagon ignoring their clear declaration that Ukraine alliance with the West was a red line for them. PUTIN WAS NOT BLUFFING.

"They believe the West’s resolve can be easily broken through fear and threats of war. Flinching on any front like this sets an irreversible precedent."

Given Biden's incoherent strategy and weakness it is easy to see how Putin got to that conclusion!!! We see now what weakness brings!!!
Thanks in great part to the great courage of the Ukrainian people, Putin has overplayed his hand quite badly. He is clearly showing that he will keep escalating until he has something which he can portray as a victory before his own military and his own people turn on him.

Though blazingly stupid, feckless, and unnecessary as this Wag the Dog war was and is, I agree to flinch now would be great error. Let us continue supplying the brave Uke people! Maybe Congress could get off its fg ass and hold a weekend session when necessary!

But where we disagree is on the point that Tucker is making in the clip above. Just as is proven by the war in progress he was not bluffing when he said that Ukraine alliance with the west was a red line, he is not bluffing when he says that giving the Ukes NATO Migs is a red line.
As the Poles have wisely concluded in ignoring feckless fool Blinken's "green light", this is a bridge too far.

Russian nuke doctrine does call for battlefield nukes and Putin is cornered. You might be right and the Migs would help accelerate his collapse, but you might bewrong and this move could trigger things to a whole other level- quite possibly Russian battlefield nukes- not only between Russia and us, but also our discussion here has yet to take Xi and China, and Taiwan into account.

We do not have the bandwidth for both and are led by people who cannot even depart from Afghanistan without turning it into an epic disaster and shame of American arms.

Meanwhile, there is the small matter of Article Four, Section Four of our Constitution. Time to defend our own borders!!!
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Daily Memo: More Sanctions
Additional measures are in the offing as U.S. destroyers reportedly enter the Baltic Sea.
By: Geopolitical Futures
More sanctions. EU diplomats are expected to expand sanctions against Russia on Tuesday. The new package will target more Russian oligarchs and the maritime shipping industry. However, diplomatic sources claimed that the new measures will not target ports for fear of further compromising energy supplies.

Baltic Sea drills. The Russian Baltic Sea Fleet has started exercises involving anti-ship missile systems after two U.S. destroyers reportedly entered the Baltic Sea.

Mixed signals. The Ukrainian military said that although Russian operations continue, their troop advancement has slowed dramatically. For its part, Russian’s Defense Ministry said its armed forces have taken control of eight new settlements. Moscow, meanwhile, announced a temporary cease-fire to allow for the evacuation of civilians from Ukrainian cities.

Nord Stream 1. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak threatened to halt gas flows through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline. Germany, Russia’s most important European energy customer, ​​responded by calling its bluff, saying Russia may not be able to afford becoming an unreliable supplier.

Hungary and China. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Monday spoke to his Hungarian counterpart, Peter Szijjarto, who expressed a willingness to help Chinese nationals fleeing Ukraine to return to China. Wang said that for China, the situation in Ukraine is regrettable, adding that he hoped the European Union would uphold the spirit of strategic autonomy and play a more proactive role in resolving the crisis and building a European security mechanism in the next step.

Russia’s ally in Sudan. Sudan has reportedly relocated warplanes from Wadi Seidna air base just north of Khartoum to other military airports outside the capital to make room for Russia’s air force, according to an unnamed senior Sudanese air force official. It’s unclear how Russia intends to use the bases.

European carmakers. The war in Ukraine is already hurting European car production thanks to a shortage of wiring harnesses, according to cables and electrical systems company KES. Skoda, the Czech car manufacturer, confirmed as much. Skoda recently decided to stop its activities and its exports in Russia in response to the invasion.

North Korean nukes. Commercial satellite imagery shows construction at North Korea's nuclear testing site for the first time since its closure in 2018, U.S.-based analysts said on Tuesday. Images include construction of a new building and repairs of another. International monitors have also reported that the North's main nuclear reactor facility at Yongbyon appears to be operating fully, potentially creating fuel for nuclear weapons.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #420 on: March 08, 2022, 12:29:30 PM »
"Here is one of mine from FB in response to another post:"


Great analysis.  I disagree in part.  Wonder if you had any noteworthy response or rebuttal to that on FB.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #421 on: March 08, 2022, 12:37:58 PM »
Awaiting response- including yours  :-D

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Re: How we could end up accidentally killing a billion people
« Reply #422 on: March 08, 2022, 12:46:50 PM »
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/nato-involvement-in-ukraine-could-spark-nuclear-genocide-heres-how-it-could-happen/

I'm not sure how that would be accidental - if one of the world's super powers set off nuclear weapons intentionally - in the course of an offensive invasion - of a previously sovereign nation.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #423 on: March 08, 2022, 12:49:57 PM »
Accidental in the sense that each went in thinking the other side would blink first in the game of chicken.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #424 on: March 08, 2022, 12:53:00 PM »
"Here is one of mine from FB in response to another post:"


Great analysis.  I disagree in part.  Wonder if you had any noteworthy response or rebuttal to that on FB.

I like it. Well stated.




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Russia/US-Ukraine, 'Monroe Doctrine' is a factor but not the only factor
« Reply #428 on: March 08, 2022, 02:19:29 PM »
Thanks Marc.

1.  "We have insisted upon it [Backyard / Monroe Doctrine / Don't stand so close to me], and we should respect the concern of others in this regard. In this context it is irrelevant what kind of a man Putin is."

   - Not what kind of man is he, but what kind of behaviors has he exhibited?

As I understand it, the Monroe Doctrine was an American assertion of a right, not a treaty or a binding agreement.  But in that it has served us well (mostly), let's treat it as binding as it applies to Russia and China, as it applies to us.  Assuming this is a (rather unspecific) right of these three countries to be honored by the others, is it unconditional?

I argue no. 

The trouble between Ukraine and Russia is a which-came-first argument, the chicken or the egg.  Ukraine has needed to defend itself and seek help with that because of Russian "Belligerence and bullying" (2007), and Russian invasion (2014), and various troubles in the years in between (a matter of both opinion and of fact). From the Russian perspective, they are provoked into these aggressions because Ukraine is seeking to improve its defenses.

2. The 'Monroe Doctrine' argument as it applies to the US, Russia and China, does it apply to Ukraine?  If not, why not?  Because they are small (larger than France)?  Because they do not have the similar potential to threaten us in our hemisphere so we do not owe them that mutual protection, and can provide them with nothing on their front, and thus we must favor our adversary with restraint? 

3. What is the right of Ukraine to defend itself and seek help in doing that?  Under these circumstances, it's nearly absolute.  They face a potential eternity of generations living under oppression if they fail to fight back or fail to win that fight.

4. Given this war is already underway, a war of Putin's choosing, and our ally(?) is begging for help against our adversary, the aggressor Russia, and the United States is forced to make a choice.  And that choice I believe is, what is in our best interest? All options are on the table.  The American answer at this point is, try to help Ukraine and try to help weaken or stop Russia until the war hostilities subside.

5.  We calculate the implications for the US under all the scenarios, but also, what are the implications for China?  We can do nothing to help Hong Kong because they are certainly in China's [front] yard. We can do nothing to support Taiwan for the same reason.  But we are providing and contemplating more military support for Taiwan.  Is that wrong?  I don't believe so. 

On china's other front, the low level war with India, on a border Google Maps cannot find, under these rules we cannot help emerging power India against rival power China, no matter what happens?  I disagree.  If escalation by China forces us to make choices, we search our mind and our conscience for what is right and what is in our best interest.  The 'Monroe Doctrine' is a factor but not the only factor. 

To at least consider standing up to evil everywhere we find it is a responsibility of a moral people, and also a strategic, survival imperative.
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The Jews in Ukraine
« Reply #429 on: March 08, 2022, 03:27:17 PM »


WSJ
OPINION  COMMENTARY
Why Does Ukraine Have a Jewish President? Ask Isaac Babel
Zelensky’s bravery is reminiscent of the Russian writer’s fierce refusal to curb his independence.
By Ruth R. Wisse
March 7, 2022 12:29 pm ET

Ukrainians and Jews were trapped in a fateful pattern for centuries. Whenever Ukrainians fought for their independence—against the Poles in 1648, the Soviets in 1919 or the Germans in 1941—Jews were the plunder at their disposal. Bohdan Khmelnytsky figures in Ukrainian history as the George Washington of the nation. He figures in Jewish history as the pogrom killer of thousands. How can a Jewish descendant of Holocaust survivors now be the country’s accepted leader?

Our guide to an answer is a native of Odessa, Isaac Babel, one of the boldest writers who ever lived. In 1920, during the first war waged by the newly formed Soviet Union, against Poland over territory that is now Ukraine, Babel served as the embedded correspondent in the First Cavalry army, made up of Zaporizhian Cossacks. His account of that war in the stories of “Red Cavalry” shows why Jews and Ukrainians may be the two peoples readiest to live and die for their freedom—and how their fused spirit lives in Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

As a Soviet functionary charged with forging Soviet unity, Babel was privately taking notes for the great work he intended to write. “Red Cavalry” documents the contrast between the sensitive Jewish narrator and the Cossacks he accompanies into battle. The stories show that an “intellectual with glasses” could find no way to protect the Jews from being crushed between the warring armies. In this work, as in real life, the author and narrator took on the assumed Russian patronym Lyutov, not to deny his Jewishness but better to fulfill his professional role.

The function of the creative writer differed from that of the embedded propagandist. Behind the more obvious contrast between Jews and Cossacks, Babel sensed that the two groups shared a common destiny under the new Soviet regime, which would tolerate neither the Jewish way of life nor the essential autonomy of the horsemen. He was witnessing the imposed death of both these civilizations. Jews suffered the brunt of the violence, but the Cossacks had to submit to foreign codes of conduct and severe limitations on their freedom. Soviet dictatorship bore down equally on both.

Their common fate under communism led Babel to notice other resemblances. The Jews and Cossacks were equally brave. Lyutov is billeted in a Jewish home that has been looted, and on waking where the landlady had bedded him down, he discovers that he has been sleeping beside a corpse. The old man has had his face hacked in two, with “dark blood clinging to his beard like a clump of lead.” The Jewish landlady tells how he had begged the Poles to kill him in the backyard so that she, his daughter, would not see him die. “Now, I want you to tell me where in all the world one could find another father like my father!”

There are no trigger warnings to shield delicate sensibilities. Every murdered Jew in Babel’s writing has wounds in front as a sign of unarmed resistance. The valiant father has his counterpart in a rabbi’s son who leaves home to join the fight, dying with his Hebrew pages and Communist pamphlets strewn around him. And while the physical bravery of the Cossacks makes them more useful in battle, they are not natural soldiers either, since they resist military discipline.

Because Stalin’s suppression had not yet solidified when Babel wrote these stories, he felt unconstrained by any cultural expectations. He extended his writerly respect to the Cossack attributes that Jews thought evil, and he let the Cossacks speak for themselves without romanticizing their sometimes brutal justice. At the same time, while he valorizes the pacific Jews, whom he knew better, he does not sentimentalize their victimhood, and he shows through the self-portrait of Lyutov how the desire to be blameless may not be a virtue.

Lyutov is hardest on himself in these stories. In one, he is shamed for endangering his comrades in arms by not carrying a gun into battle. In another he earns the lasting contempt of a friend when he is too squeamish to pull the trigger on a fatally wounded soldier who begs to be shot. The most trenchant criticism comes when an officer tells Lyutov, “I see right through you. All you want is to have no enemies.” Denying enmity is not morality, but cowardice.

Babel did not realize the high price he would have to pay for writing as a free man. He was arrested, tortured and executed in 1940.

President Zelensky’s readiness to die for Ukraine’s freedom feels much like Babel’s refusal to curb his independence. Likewise, Lyutov’s wanting to have no enemies helps us understand why the Jews who finally reclaimed their sovereignty in Israel would fight so tenaciously to repel the Arab-Muslim aggressors who still deny them their country after almost eight decades. Small nations, such as those of the Ukrainians and Jews, will always seem easy prey.

Among the many appeals Mr. Zelensky has issued, he has asked Jews to “cry out over the murder of civilization.” That he now does it in the name of Ukraine is no anomaly but the sequel to what Isaac Babel described.

Ms. Wisse is a professor emerita at Harvard and author of the memoir “Free as a Jew.”

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #430 on: March 08, 2022, 04:05:04 PM »
 "Because they do not have the similar potential to threaten us in our hemisphere so we do not owe them that mutual protection, and can provide them with nothing on their front, and thus we must favor our adversary with restraint? "

We OWE Ukraine nothing. Not our zoo, not our monkeys. Does bleeding out Putin's forces make sense? To a degree, but it's a dangerous game and if it goes wrong we get WWIII. The people playing it on our side are highly credentialed idiots with decades of failure upon failure on the foreign policy front. We don't let idiots drive tractors in flyover country, but we let them pull stings from the shadows in Washington DC.


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Re: Good thing we'd never have bioweapon labs in Ukraine!
« Reply #432 on: March 08, 2022, 05:47:46 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nuland-warns-russia-may-seize-ukraine-biolabs-stage-false-flag-using-bioweapons



https://www.minotdailynews.com/opinion/national-columnists/2022/03/what-do-ukraine-and-wuhan-have-in-common/

What do Ukraine and Wuhan have in common?
NATIONAL COLUMNISTS
MAR 4, 2022

LAURA HOLLIS

 
Campaigning politicians have always inflated their own importance and the benefits of the policies they espouse — and exaggerated the perils of electing the other guy. It used to be the case that these self-aggrandizing stump speeches were tempered by a (mostly) diligent press that went out of its way to poke holes in those exaggerations and deflate egos with some sharply pointed facts. And Americans have historically trusted their elected leaders to tell the truth in matters of grave national importance.

No more. We are swimming in a cesspool of lies so fetid that it’s almost impossible to know what’s true anymore. This is a consequence of two political parties whose most visible and powerful members lie with impunity, and a national press that abandoned the pursuit of truth years ago in favor of pushing left-wing political propaganda.

Let’s take the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Is this nothing more than naked aggression by a larger country (Russia) run by an ex-KGB agent (President Vladimir Putin) who’s made no bones about wanting some (if not all) of the old Soviet territories back?

That’s the position being pushed by the Biden administration.

Putin, on the other hand, claims not only that parts (if not all) of Ukraine belong to Russia; he has intimated that the United States has been funding the development of possible biowarfare agents at laboratories in Ukraine, and that these pathogens could be used as weapons against Russia.

Until recently, most of us would have tended to believe the statements of our own government over the inflammatory accusations of a former Soviet strongman. But two-plus years of the COVID-19 pandemic has proven that our own government lies to us continuously and repeatedly.

In fact, the similarities between the “Ukraine biolabs” story and the theory that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology are remarkable.

When COVID-19 began spreading throughout China and the rest of the world, the “official” story was that the virus had jumped species (from bat to human, perhaps with an intermediary host) in a wet market in Wuhan. Very quickly, some writers pointed out that the city of Wuhan had an international virology institute. And that bat viruses were being studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that scientists who worked at WIV had published papers in which they described genetically manipulating those viruses to see if they could be made to “jump species” (so-called gain of function research).

Immediately, these statements and the questions they raised were dismissed as “misinformation” or Chinese government propaganda. Broadcast and print media journalists refused to investigate the claims. Those who continued to ask questions were denounced as kooks or “conspiracy theorists.” Social media megacorporations Twitter, Facebook and YouTube removed content and shut down the accounts of anyone who tried to publish information about the “lab leak” theory. America’s COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci was consistently among the most vocal detractors of that theory.

But information continued to seep out. State Department memoranda from 2018 were discovered, warning that research into zoonotic bat viruses being conducted at the WIV lacked adequate safety protocols. Those memoranda mentioned funding by the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, the organization run by Fauci. Fauci was called before Congress and insisted that the NIAID had never funded “gain of function” research. An October 2021 letter from the NIH proved that this was untrue; the NIAID and the NIH had funded gain of function research in Wuhan. Other documents — including Fauci’s own emails — obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests revealed that Fauci and other scientists were seriously evaluating the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, even as they lied to the public and denied it.

What does any of this have to do with Ukraine?

A Washington Post article from 2005 opens with this statement: “The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine’s government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.” The two U.S. senators spearheading that initiative were Richard Lugar, a Republican from Indiana, and Barack Obama, then a Democratic senator from Illinois.

So, “dangerous microbes” are at these Ukrainian laboratories, and the United States government has been providing funding. For what, exactly? To “improve security.”

This hardly inspires confidence.

Right on cue, here come the “official” statements. An article published last week in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists quotes Robert Pope, director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, a “30-year-old Defense Department program that has helped secure the former Soviet Union’s weapons of mass destruction and redirect former bioweapons facilities and scientists toward peaceful endeavors.”

According to Pope, “the labs in Ukraine are not bioweapons facilities … (T)hey are public and animal health labs” that “conduct peaceful scientific research and disease surveillance.” Pope further insisted that all pathogens present at the Ukrainian laboratories were safe as long as they were kept frozen, but power outages caused by damage to the buildings (from warfare, for example) could pose a problem. Furthermore, the safety protocols of the Ukraine labs are not without concern. “They have more pathogens in more places than we recommend,” Pope said, in what sounds like a serious understatement.

Predictably, any suspicions about the work conducted in Ukrainian laboratories and funded by the U.S. government are now being dismissed as “disinformation.” Foreign Policy published an article yesterday insisting that the “Ukrainian lab bioweapons” claims are just “conspiracy theories” being advanced by (of course) the Russian and Chinese governments and (wait for it) QAnon supporters who are spreading misinformation on social media as part of the “dogma for the right wing of the Republican Party.”

Sound familiar?

So, what’s really going on in the Ukrainian laboratories? Who do you believe?

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #433 on: March 08, 2022, 05:48:15 PM »
"Because they do not have the similar potential to threaten us in our hemisphere so we do not owe them that mutual protection, and can provide them with nothing on their front, and thus we must favor our adversary with restraint? "

We OWE Ukraine nothing. Not our zoo, not our monkeys. Does bleeding out Putin's forces make sense? To a degree, but it's a dangerous game and if it goes wrong we get WWIII. The people playing it on our side are highly credentialed idiots with decades of failure upon failure on the foreign policy front. We don't let idiots drive tractors in flyover country, but we let them pull stings from the shadows in Washington DC.


It is ALREADY a dangerous game and doing nothing risks WWIII as well.  I measure the risk by what percent of the globe they control, measured a number of different ways.  They start with eleven time zones, enough nukes to make this conversation real and enough oil and gas to turn the world economy on and off.  Oh, and the Uranium supply. Why is more better?

I spent the afternoon reading about build your own fallout shelters

This to me is more about Russia gaining, than Ukraine losing.  Maybe it turns out that the west having zero reaction to current invasion leads to ... China takes Hong Kong, oops already done, China takes Taiwan, China takes control of South China Sea, America sends war ships there so why shouldn't they, Russia corners Uranium market, oops already done, Russia takes the breakaway Republics of the next first tier neighbor and so on.  Well that's Europe's problem, and Asia's problem?  If so, with Russia, China and who knows who else emboldened, the risk level went up or went down?

Putin gets his way with ALL first tier neighbors because of what the 5th President of the US said in 1823, then what?  Then gets his way with all new first tier neighbors?  Same doctrine?  He can't?  He won't?  That's where we'll draw the big new red line?  Or we still don't care?  We care more about Poland, Romania, Lithuania than Ukraine, how so?  Isn't Finland first tier?  Haven't they been provocative?

Except to say a. Russia is not a threat, and strangely b. we are on the brink of a nuclear war with Russia we will lose, no one answers my question, what is THE lesson in hindsight of WWII.  I say, stop evil sooner.  You say:
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« Reply #434 on: March 08, 2022, 05:52:06 PM »
"Because they do not have the similar potential to threaten us in our hemisphere so we do not owe them that mutual protection, and can provide them with nothing on their front, and thus we must favor our adversary with restraint? "

We OWE Ukraine nothing. Not our zoo, not our monkeys. Does bleeding out Putin's forces make sense? To a degree, but it's a dangerous game and if it goes wrong we get WWIII. The people playing it on our side are highly credentialed idiots with decades of failure upon failure on the foreign policy front. We don't let idiots drive tractors in flyover country, but we let them pull stings from the shadows in Washington DC.


It is ALREADY a dangerous game and doing nothing risks WWIII as well.  I measure the risk by what percent of the globe they control, measured a number of different ways.  They start with eleven time zones, enough nukes to make this conversation real and enough oil and gas to turn the world economy on and off.  Oh, and the Uranium supply. Why is more better?

I spent the day reading about build your own fallout shelter.

This to me is more about Russia gaining, than Ukraine losing.  Maybe it turns out that the west having zero reaction to current invasion leads to ... China takes Hong Kong, oops already done, China takes Taiwan, China takes control of South China Sea, America sends war ships there so why shouldn't they, Russia corners Uranium market, oops already done, Russia takes the breakaway Republics of the next first tier neighbor and so on.  Well that's Europe's problem, and Asia's problem?

Putin gets his way with ALL first tier neighbors because of what the 5th President of the US said in 1823, then what?  His gets his way with all new first tier neighbors?  Same doctrine?  He can't?  He won't?  That's where we'll draw the big new red line?  Or we still don't care?  We care more about Poland, Romania, Lithuania than Ukraine, how so?  Isn't Finland first tier?  Haven't they been provocative?

Except to say a. Russia is not a threat, and strangely b. we are on the brink of a nuclear war with Russia we will lose, no one answers my question, what is THE lesson in hindsight of WWII.  I say, stop evil sooner.  You say:

Pick your fights carefully. Ukraine is not the place to risk global thermonuclear war over. Our problems are here, not over there.

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #435 on: March 08, 2022, 05:55:27 PM »
I thought we were to retreat from the fights at home too.  What ground will we hold soon at this rate?

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Re: Russia/US-- Europe
« Reply #436 on: March 08, 2022, 05:59:02 PM »
I thought we were to retreat from the fights at home too.  What ground will we hold soon at this rate?

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”

― Claire Wolfe

We are close to the end of that stage.

NoGo zones aren't just for muslim enclaves in euro-stan. It's a tactic that can work anywhere.

Plan accordingly.




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The idiots in DC have decided they want WWIII
« Reply #437 on: March 08, 2022, 06:11:35 PM »

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Re: The idiots in DC have decided they want WWIII
« Reply #438 on: March 08, 2022, 06:32:43 PM »
https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-blob-wants-war.html

Plan and/or pray accordingly.

From Joe Kent(Currently running for Congress):


Dear Friend,

The establishment wants to lead us into war (again).
The narrative out of Washington, DC feels very similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. We have politicians, members of Congress, now echoing the messaging of Joe Biden’s State of the Union address about building a “coalition” of allies against Russia. Then, they vote to express “solidarity” with Ukraine, laying out ways they can further provoke Russia.

Instead of lawmakers like Jaime Herrera Beutler warmongering and conducting pointless photo ops behind Ukrainian-colored American flags, we need to demand that Joe Biden consult Congress so those who represent the American people can vigorously debate any escalations of force.

The American people want to know what’s on the table and want to have a say, and Congress alone has the power to declare war—but Joe Biden and the establishment across both parties don’t want them to.

It’s easy for them to talk a big talk in DC and act tough on the world stage. But at the end of the day, they have completely incapacitated our domestic energy production and our leverage in dealing with Russia. They’re willing to put our national security in danger, even if it means striking oil deals with despotic governments like Venezuela.

There is nothing but incompetence and weak leadership coming out of our nation’s capital, and that’s a very dangerous combination. It’s time for us, the American people, to have a say in our national security—because no one benefits from war.

Why does his perspective matter?

https://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-545-joe-kent-special-forces-veteran-and-gold-star-husband/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/03/22/feature/navy-cryptologist-shannon-kent-who-died-in-an-isis-suicide-attack-in-syria-was-torn-between-family-and-duty/


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Re: The idiots in DC have decided they want WWIII
« Reply #439 on: March 08, 2022, 07:01:40 PM »
https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-blob-wants-war.html

Plan and/or pray accordingly.

From Joe Kent(Currently running for Congress):


Dear Friend,

The establishment wants to lead us into war (again).
The narrative out of Washington, DC feels very similar to the lead up to the Iraq War. We have politicians, members of Congress, now echoing the messaging of Joe Biden’s State of the Union address about building a “coalition” of allies against Russia. Then, they vote to express “solidarity” with Ukraine, laying out ways they can further provoke Russia.

Instead of lawmakers like Jaime Herrera Beutler warmongering and conducting pointless photo ops behind Ukrainian-colored American flags, we need to demand that Joe Biden consult Congress so those who represent the American people can vigorously debate any escalations of force.

The American people want to know what’s on the table and want to have a say, and Congress alone has the power to declare war—but Joe Biden and the establishment across both parties don’t want them to.

It’s easy for them to talk a big talk in DC and act tough on the world stage. But at the end of the day, they have completely incapacitated our domestic energy production and our leverage in dealing with Russia. They’re willing to put our national security in danger, even if it means striking oil deals with despotic governments like Venezuela.

There is nothing but incompetence and weak leadership coming out of our nation’s capital, and that’s a very dangerous combination. It’s time for us, the American people, to have a say in our national security—because no one benefits from war.

Why does his perspective matter?

https://sofrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-545-joe-kent-special-forces-veteran-and-gold-star-husband/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/03/22/feature/navy-cryptologist-shannon-kent-who-died-in-an-isis-suicide-attack-in-syria-was-torn-between-family-and-duty/

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Re: Good thing we'd never have bioweapon labs in Ukraine!
« Reply #440 on: March 08, 2022, 08:22:15 PM »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1500499205663645700.html


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nuland-warns-russia-may-seize-ukraine-biolabs-stage-false-flag-using-bioweapons



https://www.minotdailynews.com/opinion/national-columnists/2022/03/what-do-ukraine-and-wuhan-have-in-common/

What do Ukraine and Wuhan have in common?
NATIONAL COLUMNISTS
MAR 4, 2022

LAURA HOLLIS

 
Campaigning politicians have always inflated their own importance and the benefits of the policies they espouse — and exaggerated the perils of electing the other guy. It used to be the case that these self-aggrandizing stump speeches were tempered by a (mostly) diligent press that went out of its way to poke holes in those exaggerations and deflate egos with some sharply pointed facts. And Americans have historically trusted their elected leaders to tell the truth in matters of grave national importance.

No more. We are swimming in a cesspool of lies so fetid that it’s almost impossible to know what’s true anymore. This is a consequence of two political parties whose most visible and powerful members lie with impunity, and a national press that abandoned the pursuit of truth years ago in favor of pushing left-wing political propaganda.

Let’s take the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Is this nothing more than naked aggression by a larger country (Russia) run by an ex-KGB agent (President Vladimir Putin) who’s made no bones about wanting some (if not all) of the old Soviet territories back?

That’s the position being pushed by the Biden administration.

Putin, on the other hand, claims not only that parts (if not all) of Ukraine belong to Russia; he has intimated that the United States has been funding the development of possible biowarfare agents at laboratories in Ukraine, and that these pathogens could be used as weapons against Russia.

Until recently, most of us would have tended to believe the statements of our own government over the inflammatory accusations of a former Soviet strongman. But two-plus years of the COVID-19 pandemic has proven that our own government lies to us continuously and repeatedly.

In fact, the similarities between the “Ukraine biolabs” story and the theory that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology are remarkable.

When COVID-19 began spreading throughout China and the rest of the world, the “official” story was that the virus had jumped species (from bat to human, perhaps with an intermediary host) in a wet market in Wuhan. Very quickly, some writers pointed out that the city of Wuhan had an international virology institute. And that bat viruses were being studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that scientists who worked at WIV had published papers in which they described genetically manipulating those viruses to see if they could be made to “jump species” (so-called gain of function research).

Immediately, these statements and the questions they raised were dismissed as “misinformation” or Chinese government propaganda. Broadcast and print media journalists refused to investigate the claims. Those who continued to ask questions were denounced as kooks or “conspiracy theorists.” Social media megacorporations Twitter, Facebook and YouTube removed content and shut down the accounts of anyone who tried to publish information about the “lab leak” theory. America’s COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci was consistently among the most vocal detractors of that theory.

But information continued to seep out. State Department memoranda from 2018 were discovered, warning that research into zoonotic bat viruses being conducted at the WIV lacked adequate safety protocols. Those memoranda mentioned funding by the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, the organization run by Fauci. Fauci was called before Congress and insisted that the NIAID had never funded “gain of function” research. An October 2021 letter from the NIH proved that this was untrue; the NIAID and the NIH had funded gain of function research in Wuhan. Other documents — including Fauci’s own emails — obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests revealed that Fauci and other scientists were seriously evaluating the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, even as they lied to the public and denied it.

What does any of this have to do with Ukraine?

A Washington Post article from 2005 opens with this statement: “The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine’s government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.” The two U.S. senators spearheading that initiative were Richard Lugar, a Republican from Indiana, and Barack Obama, then a Democratic senator from Illinois.

So, “dangerous microbes” are at these Ukrainian laboratories, and the United States government has been providing funding. For what, exactly? To “improve security.”

This hardly inspires confidence.

Right on cue, here come the “official” statements. An article published last week in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists quotes Robert Pope, director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, a “30-year-old Defense Department program that has helped secure the former Soviet Union’s weapons of mass destruction and redirect former bioweapons facilities and scientists toward peaceful endeavors.”

According to Pope, “the labs in Ukraine are not bioweapons facilities … (T)hey are public and animal health labs” that “conduct peaceful scientific research and disease surveillance.” Pope further insisted that all pathogens present at the Ukrainian laboratories were safe as long as they were kept frozen, but power outages caused by damage to the buildings (from warfare, for example) could pose a problem. Furthermore, the safety protocols of the Ukraine labs are not without concern. “They have more pathogens in more places than we recommend,” Pope said, in what sounds like a serious understatement.

Predictably, any suspicions about the work conducted in Ukrainian laboratories and funded by the U.S. government are now being dismissed as “disinformation.” Foreign Policy published an article yesterday insisting that the “Ukrainian lab bioweapons” claims are just “conspiracy theories” being advanced by (of course) the Russian and Chinese governments and (wait for it) QAnon supporters who are spreading misinformation on social media as part of the “dogma for the right wing of the Republican Party.”

Sound familiar?

So, what’s really going on in the Ukrainian laboratories? Who do you believe?

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Re: Good thing we'd never have bioweapon labs in Ukraine!
« Reply #441 on: March 08, 2022, 08:24:31 PM »
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https://www.minotdailynews.com/opinion/national-columnists/2022/03/what-do-ukraine-and-wuhan-have-in-common/

What do Ukraine and Wuhan have in common?
NATIONAL COLUMNISTS
MAR 4, 2022

LAURA HOLLIS

 
Campaigning politicians have always inflated their own importance and the benefits of the policies they espouse — and exaggerated the perils of electing the other guy. It used to be the case that these self-aggrandizing stump speeches were tempered by a (mostly) diligent press that went out of its way to poke holes in those exaggerations and deflate egos with some sharply pointed facts. And Americans have historically trusted their elected leaders to tell the truth in matters of grave national importance.

No more. We are swimming in a cesspool of lies so fetid that it’s almost impossible to know what’s true anymore. This is a consequence of two political parties whose most visible and powerful members lie with impunity, and a national press that abandoned the pursuit of truth years ago in favor of pushing left-wing political propaganda.

Let’s take the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Is this nothing more than naked aggression by a larger country (Russia) run by an ex-KGB agent (President Vladimir Putin) who’s made no bones about wanting some (if not all) of the old Soviet territories back?

That’s the position being pushed by the Biden administration.

Putin, on the other hand, claims not only that parts (if not all) of Ukraine belong to Russia; he has intimated that the United States has been funding the development of possible biowarfare agents at laboratories in Ukraine, and that these pathogens could be used as weapons against Russia.

Until recently, most of us would have tended to believe the statements of our own government over the inflammatory accusations of a former Soviet strongman. But two-plus years of the COVID-19 pandemic has proven that our own government lies to us continuously and repeatedly.

In fact, the similarities between the “Ukraine biolabs” story and the theory that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology are remarkable.

When COVID-19 began spreading throughout China and the rest of the world, the “official” story was that the virus had jumped species (from bat to human, perhaps with an intermediary host) in a wet market in Wuhan. Very quickly, some writers pointed out that the city of Wuhan had an international virology institute. And that bat viruses were being studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that scientists who worked at WIV had published papers in which they described genetically manipulating those viruses to see if they could be made to “jump species” (so-called gain of function research).

Immediately, these statements and the questions they raised were dismissed as “misinformation” or Chinese government propaganda. Broadcast and print media journalists refused to investigate the claims. Those who continued to ask questions were denounced as kooks or “conspiracy theorists.” Social media megacorporations Twitter, Facebook and YouTube removed content and shut down the accounts of anyone who tried to publish information about the “lab leak” theory. America’s COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci was consistently among the most vocal detractors of that theory.

But information continued to seep out. State Department memoranda from 2018 were discovered, warning that research into zoonotic bat viruses being conducted at the WIV lacked adequate safety protocols. Those memoranda mentioned funding by the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, the organization run by Fauci. Fauci was called before Congress and insisted that the NIAID had never funded “gain of function” research. An October 2021 letter from the NIH proved that this was untrue; the NIAID and the NIH had funded gain of function research in Wuhan. Other documents — including Fauci’s own emails — obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests revealed that Fauci and other scientists were seriously evaluating the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, even as they lied to the public and denied it.

What does any of this have to do with Ukraine?

A Washington Post article from 2005 opens with this statement: “The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine’s government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.” The two U.S. senators spearheading that initiative were Richard Lugar, a Republican from Indiana, and Barack Obama, then a Democratic senator from Illinois.

So, “dangerous microbes” are at these Ukrainian laboratories, and the United States government has been providing funding. For what, exactly? To “improve security.”

This hardly inspires confidence.

Right on cue, here come the “official” statements. An article published last week in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists quotes Robert Pope, director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, a “30-year-old Defense Department program that has helped secure the former Soviet Union’s weapons of mass destruction and redirect former bioweapons facilities and scientists toward peaceful endeavors.”

According to Pope, “the labs in Ukraine are not bioweapons facilities … (T)hey are public and animal health labs” that “conduct peaceful scientific research and disease surveillance.” Pope further insisted that all pathogens present at the Ukrainian laboratories were safe as long as they were kept frozen, but power outages caused by damage to the buildings (from warfare, for example) could pose a problem. Furthermore, the safety protocols of the Ukraine labs are not without concern. “They have more pathogens in more places than we recommend,” Pope said, in what sounds like a serious understatement.

Predictably, any suspicions about the work conducted in Ukrainian laboratories and funded by the U.S. government are now being dismissed as “disinformation.” Foreign Policy published an article yesterday insisting that the “Ukrainian lab bioweapons” claims are just “conspiracy theories” being advanced by (of course) the Russian and Chinese governments and (wait for it) QAnon supporters who are spreading misinformation on social media as part of the “dogma for the right wing of the Republican Party.”

Sound familiar?

So, what’s really going on in the Ukrainian laboratories? Who do you believe?

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Re: Good thing we'd never have bioweapon labs in Ukraine!
« Reply #442 on: March 08, 2022, 08:26:59 PM »
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/08/obama-led-ukraine-biolab-efforts/

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https://www.minotdailynews.com/opinion/national-columnists/2022/03/what-do-ukraine-and-wuhan-have-in-common/

What do Ukraine and Wuhan have in common?
NATIONAL COLUMNISTS
MAR 4, 2022

LAURA HOLLIS

 
Campaigning politicians have always inflated their own importance and the benefits of the policies they espouse — and exaggerated the perils of electing the other guy. It used to be the case that these self-aggrandizing stump speeches were tempered by a (mostly) diligent press that went out of its way to poke holes in those exaggerations and deflate egos with some sharply pointed facts. And Americans have historically trusted their elected leaders to tell the truth in matters of grave national importance.

No more. We are swimming in a cesspool of lies so fetid that it’s almost impossible to know what’s true anymore. This is a consequence of two political parties whose most visible and powerful members lie with impunity, and a national press that abandoned the pursuit of truth years ago in favor of pushing left-wing political propaganda.

Let’s take the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Is this nothing more than naked aggression by a larger country (Russia) run by an ex-KGB agent (President Vladimir Putin) who’s made no bones about wanting some (if not all) of the old Soviet territories back?

That’s the position being pushed by the Biden administration.

Putin, on the other hand, claims not only that parts (if not all) of Ukraine belong to Russia; he has intimated that the United States has been funding the development of possible biowarfare agents at laboratories in Ukraine, and that these pathogens could be used as weapons against Russia.

Until recently, most of us would have tended to believe the statements of our own government over the inflammatory accusations of a former Soviet strongman. But two-plus years of the COVID-19 pandemic has proven that our own government lies to us continuously and repeatedly.

In fact, the similarities between the “Ukraine biolabs” story and the theory that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology are remarkable.

When COVID-19 began spreading throughout China and the rest of the world, the “official” story was that the virus had jumped species (from bat to human, perhaps with an intermediary host) in a wet market in Wuhan. Very quickly, some writers pointed out that the city of Wuhan had an international virology institute. And that bat viruses were being studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that scientists who worked at WIV had published papers in which they described genetically manipulating those viruses to see if they could be made to “jump species” (so-called gain of function research).

Immediately, these statements and the questions they raised were dismissed as “misinformation” or Chinese government propaganda. Broadcast and print media journalists refused to investigate the claims. Those who continued to ask questions were denounced as kooks or “conspiracy theorists.” Social media megacorporations Twitter, Facebook and YouTube removed content and shut down the accounts of anyone who tried to publish information about the “lab leak” theory. America’s COVID czar Dr. Anthony Fauci was consistently among the most vocal detractors of that theory.

But information continued to seep out. State Department memoranda from 2018 were discovered, warning that research into zoonotic bat viruses being conducted at the WIV lacked adequate safety protocols. Those memoranda mentioned funding by the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, the organization run by Fauci. Fauci was called before Congress and insisted that the NIAID had never funded “gain of function” research. An October 2021 letter from the NIH proved that this was untrue; the NIAID and the NIH had funded gain of function research in Wuhan. Other documents — including Fauci’s own emails — obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests revealed that Fauci and other scientists were seriously evaluating the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, even as they lied to the public and denied it.

What does any of this have to do with Ukraine?

A Washington Post article from 2005 opens with this statement: “The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine’s government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.” The two U.S. senators spearheading that initiative were Richard Lugar, a Republican from Indiana, and Barack Obama, then a Democratic senator from Illinois.

So, “dangerous microbes” are at these Ukrainian laboratories, and the United States government has been providing funding. For what, exactly? To “improve security.”

This hardly inspires confidence.

Right on cue, here come the “official” statements. An article published last week in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists quotes Robert Pope, director of the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, a “30-year-old Defense Department program that has helped secure the former Soviet Union’s weapons of mass destruction and redirect former bioweapons facilities and scientists toward peaceful endeavors.”

According to Pope, “the labs in Ukraine are not bioweapons facilities … (T)hey are public and animal health labs” that “conduct peaceful scientific research and disease surveillance.” Pope further insisted that all pathogens present at the Ukrainian laboratories were safe as long as they were kept frozen, but power outages caused by damage to the buildings (from warfare, for example) could pose a problem. Furthermore, the safety protocols of the Ukraine labs are not without concern. “They have more pathogens in more places than we recommend,” Pope said, in what sounds like a serious understatement.

Predictably, any suspicions about the work conducted in Ukrainian laboratories and funded by the U.S. government are now being dismissed as “disinformation.” Foreign Policy published an article yesterday insisting that the “Ukrainian lab bioweapons” claims are just “conspiracy theories” being advanced by (of course) the Russian and Chinese governments and (wait for it) QAnon supporters who are spreading misinformation on social media as part of the “dogma for the right wing of the Republican Party.”

Sound familiar?

So, what’s really going on in the Ukrainian laboratories? Who do you believe?

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« Reply #443 on: March 08, 2022, 09:31:10 PM »
RZESZOW, Poland—In the space of two weeks, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has set off one of the largest and fastest arms transfers in history.

By road and rail, the Czech Republic sent 10,000 rocket-propelled grenades to Ukraine’s defenders last week alone. In Poland, the provincial airport of Rzeszow located about 60 miles from the Ukrainian border has been so crowded with military cargo jets that on Saturday some flights were briefly diverted until airfield space became available.

On the country’s highways, police vehicles are escorting military transport trucks to the border, with other convoys slipping into Ukraine via snow-covered back roads through the mountains.


Ukrainians in Kyiv unloaded a shipment of military aid, delivered in February as part of U.S. security assistance.
PHOTO: VALENTYN OGIRENKO/REUTERS

The race to deliver arms to Ukraine is emerging as a supply operation with few historical parallels. Western allies, having ruled out putting troops on the ground in Ukraine, have been attempting to equip the country’s thinly spread and outmatched military, some of its soldiers fighting without boots.


With Russian warships holding the Black Sea coast, and Ukraine’s airspace contested, the U.S. is rushing to truck weapons overland before Russia chokes off the roads as well. Pentagon officials said most of what will total $350 million in arms and assistance the Biden administration pledged late last month has been delivered. Congress is considering authorizing billions more. The Defense Department has described its efforts as unprecedented.

Governments once reluctant to transfer arms and antagonize Russia are joining the fray. Sweden, though historically nonaligned, has pledged 5,000 antitank weapons. Berlin—which only three weeks ago was blocking Estonia from transferring German-made howitzers to Ukraine—is now sending more than 2,000 antitank and antiaircraft weapons. Italy, long a passive player in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, has also promised weapons, and Spain has offered grenade launchers.

Ukrainians Seek Safety as Russia Presses Its Attack

The mass flight from the fighting in Ukraine continued as Russian forces launched strikes on cities and military targets.
Residents fled Irpin, Ukraine, on Monday.People leaving Irpin, Ukraine, located just west of the capital of Kyiv, on foot Tuesday.Rescuers inspected a school building in Chernihiv, Ukraine, that was damaged by shelling, in a photo provided by Ukrainian authorities on Monday.A woman was carried across a river under a damaged bridge in Irpin, Ukraine, on Monday.Refugees from the fighting in Ukraine outside an immigration office in Brussels, Belgium, on Monday.A reception center for refugees from Ukraine at Poznan University of Technology in Poznan, Poland, on Monday.An elderly woman was evacuated from Irpin, Ukraine, by ambulance on Tuesday.A Polish soldier helped a child off a train from Lviv, Ukraine, at the station in Przemysl, Poland, on Monday.Men received weapons training in Lviv, Ukraine, on Monday.A resident took shelter in the basement of a building in Irpin, Ukraine, on Monday.
 
People leaving Irpin, Ukraine, located just west of the capital of Kyiv, on foot Tuesday.MANU BRABO FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
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The allied effort is buttressed by ordinary citizens in Europe and the U.S., who say they are buying hunting-grade gear online—to circumvent rules against shipping military equipment—and funneling it to friends headed into Ukraine. In Warsaw, a 67-year-old woman is in charge of smuggling night-vision goggles to the country’s defenders. Packed hotels near the Polish-Ukrainian border cater to men asking each other how they can ship body armor to major cities, before Russian troops seize the roads.

Still, Ukrainians say it isn’t enough. In videos posted to social media from his office in Kyiv, with the Ukrainian capital almost encircled by Russian forces, President Volodymyr Zelensky has urged the West to send more weapons and enforce a no-fly zone to stop Russia from carrying out more air attacks on civilians. He pleaded last weekend to members of Congress for combat jets and missiles.

Such appeals are coming not just from the top. Frontline fighters in Ukraine’s Territorial Defense units have used social media to put out a shopping list of their needs, including helmets, binoculars, range finders along with more basic needs such as instant noodles or Q-Tips.

“We need more,” said Andriy Malets, a 53-year-old entrepreneur who signed up to help defend the town of Kryvyi Rih but said he was forced to wait because his local unit has five volunteers for every available gun. Instead, he said, people in Kryvyi Rih now spend their time making Molotov cocktails.


With many types of military aid not yet arrived, many civilians in Ukraine are making Molotov cocktails.
PHOTO: LORENA SOPÉNA/ZUMA PRESS

The infusion of hundreds of millions of dollars in weaponry has little precedent in modern times, said Filip Bryjka, a security analyst at the Polish Institute of International Affairs. There hasn’t been a Western arms push of such speed and scale in Europe since President Harry S. Truman asked Congress to send $400 million in military and economic assistance into Greece and Turkey in the first months of the Cold War, said Mr. Bryjka, who wrote a recent analysis of Poland’s role in arms transfers to Ukraine.


The dollar value, U.S. and allied officials say, is almost certain to grow if the war continues. On Capitol Hill, legislators are considering a bill for when the $350 million designated for Ukraine runs out. That legislation provides $12 billion for Ukraine and its Eastern European allies, roughly half of which would be dedicated to supporting Ukraine militarily.

Ukrainian officials, in negotiations with Poland and the U.S., have pushed for NATO allies to provide Soviet-era jet fighters that Ukrainian pilots could fly, alongside more antitank missiles, Turkish drones, and heat-seeking missiles capable of shooting down combat helicopters or planes.


U.S. troops have set up bases at Rzeszow. Poland and at two small airfields, both not far from Poland’s border to Ukraine.
PHOTO: SEAN GALLUP/GETTY IMAGES

“We are happy but we are not satisfied,” said one senior Ukrainian official. “What we have is not enough because Russian troops are still in Ukraine.”

U.S. officials warn that the pace of resupply would likely slow if Russian forces grab control of the highways and cities of western Ukraine, where the weapons are received from convoys rolling in from Poland, Slovakia and Romania. But judging the pace of Russia’s advance and when the supply lines may be cut is hard to assess, defense officials have said.

A large amount of the gear going to Ukraine comes from NATO members in Central Europe that were once part of the former Soviet Union or allied with it. The U.S. says that Washington and its NATO allies have sent 17,000 antitank weapons into Ukraine, mostly provided by the Czech military.


Civilians fled the city of Sumy as Ukraine and Russia agreed on a limited cease-fire there; residents said soldiers ransacked their homes in Irpin; Ukrainian President Zelensky posted defiant video messages. Photo: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images
Some of the efforts have been financed by a crowdfunding campaign, which raised $20 million from individual donors in the Czech Republic. The country’s government put up another $30 million to buy arms that have virtually all been dispatched.

“Everything that Ukraine’s allies ask us to do, we do it ASAP,” said Czech Deputy Defense Minister Tomas Kopecny. “When it’s used in Ukraine it means it’s not used in our country.”


Although the transport planes and trucks are highly visible, the operation to supply Ukraine in many countries has been shrouded in secrecy. Some Central and Eastern European countries worry overt shipments could provoke Russia. “Most countries prefer not to share details because they are afraid of how Russia could react,” said Mr. Bryjka. “And they don’t want to make Russia’s intelligence work easier.”

The shipments are also operating through an area that Washington doesn’t expect to stay open much longer. Kyiv, which U.S. officials thought would fall early in the war, has held off Russian advances, allowing western militaries to ship in gear more easily than they expected.


Ukrainian women on Monday reviewed how to use weapons in case they are called to fight the Russian invasion.
PHOTO: COZZOLI/FOTOGRAMMA/ZUMA PRESS

Ukrainians living outside the country are using the same opening to drive in military gear bought with their own money to soldiers fighting in the war. While President Biden was delivering his State of the Union address last week, promising aid for Ukraine, Oksana Prysyazhnyuk, a Ukrainian energy executive in New York state, was watching, while texting friends on the front. “Maybe you can find someone who can provide helmets and bulletproof vests because the demand for them is absolutely huge,” a Ukrainian stationed near the front line texted her.

“They are going to war with bare hands,” Ms. Prysyazhnyuk said. “They don’t even have winter boots.”

One senior Ukrainian military official, who spoke Tuesday from his base outside Kyiv, disagreed. He said there were now no major equipment shortages among his troops. Asked what kind of support he would like to see from the West, he backed Mr. Zelensky’s call for a no-fly zone over Ukraine and added: “I’d like to see more Russians in graves.”

Write to Matthew Luxmoore at Matthew.Luxmoore@wsj.com, Drew Hinshaw at drew.hinshaw@wsj.com and Nancy A. Youssef at nancy.youssef@wsj.com


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Biden, back in 1997 on NATO expansion
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?86974-1/nato-expansion

Before he developed his “stutter”.

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Zelinsky just a puppet, not a hero
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