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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1500 on: November 26, 2021, 06:50:46 AM »
"(Please help find article claim in the published data.)"

Yes, please!




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New England Journal of Medicine study on Natural Antibodies
« Reply #1504 on: November 28, 2021, 01:40:53 AM »
I'm told the NEJM is a serious publication:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

Final two paragraphs:


Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death than primary infections. Four reinfections were severe enough to lead to acute care hospitalization. None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death. Reinfections were rare and were generally mild, perhaps because of the primed immune system after primary infection.

In earlier studies, we assessed the efficacy of previous natural infection as protection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-22,3 as being 85% or greater. Accordingly, for a person who has already had a primary infection, the risk of having a severe reinfection is only approximately 1% of the risk of a previously uninfected person having a severe primary infection. It needs to be determined whether such protection against severe disease at reinfection lasts for a longer period, analogous to the immunity that develops against other seasonal “common-cold” coronaviruses,4 which elicit short-term immunity against mild reinfection but longer-term immunity against more severe illness with reinfection. If this were the case with SARS-CoV-2, the virus (or at least the variants studied to date) could adopt a more benign pattern of infection when it becomes endemic.4

Laith J. Abu-Raddad, Ph.D.
Hiam Chemaitelly, M.Sc.
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Covid vaccines State of Texas study, Unvaccinated death rate 40 times higher
« Reply #1509 on: December 02, 2021, 09:18:17 AM »
13 page pdf, take a look, I think this is important.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/Cases-and-Deaths-by-Vaccination-Status-11082021.pdf

Some observations:
1. Most recent data is probably the most relevant to right now, meaning delta.  One chart shows Jan 15 (this year) to Oct 1.  The next shows just Sept 4 to Oct 1.  Less data, but more recent and more likely to be delta variant data, which was not what I was seeing when I took the jab.
2.  As always, they don't differentiate between "unvaccinated" and already had covid and have natural immunity probably much greater than vaccination.  That means to me, the truly unvaccinated have even worse odds than the conclusions here.
3.  From elsewhere, Texas is 64% vaccinated.  https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/texas
4.  Picking one conclusion, the death rate in the 50-64 range (age range of people I know not taking the vaccine), in most recent data set, unvaccinated 45 times more likely to die from covid.
5. Overall the death rate is 40 times higher for the unvaccinated.
6.  Nothing in this goes into damage from the vaccine.
7. Plenty of defects in the data but that would go both ways.

Listening to conservative radio and other sources I came to believe the vaccine is not very effective against 'Delta'.  This data indicates the vaccine is VERY effective in cases and deaths (obviously far from perfect), not at all what I expected.

Is anyone seeing actual data otherwise?  Do you see large defects in this study?
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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1510 on: December 02, 2021, 07:55:35 PM »
My understanding is that for the middle-aged and up "unantibodied" the vaccines may well be a very good idea.  I took my 89 year old mother to get her vax.  OTOH for 20s on down I'm not seeing it, ESPECIALLY for children.

However, I AM natural antibodied and as such that decision is not for me.

Regarding MY status, I am of the opinion that naturals are BETTER than the vaxxes and have no intention of vaxxing under the current known/perceived facts..

I continue to hammer that essentially all of the data on vaxx efficiency is contaminated by the commingling of the unantibodied and the naturals..



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WSJ: The Promise of mRNA
« Reply #1513 on: December 03, 2021, 07:35:11 PM »
The Vast Promise of mRNA Technology
The Covid vaccine platform offers real hope for treating many other diseases, including cancer. How an immigrant from Hungary played a prominent scientific role.


By
Allysia Finley
Dec. 3, 2021 6:31 pm ET


Are Covid-19 vaccines a failure? That’s the view in some media quarters amid breakthrough infections and new virus variants. It’s also false. Vaccinated people are more prone to mild infections than public-health authorities initially anticipated. But the shots continue to provide strong protection against serious disease, and the mRNA vaccines in particular—Pfizer/BioNTech’s and Moderna’s—are adaptable to new variants.
More important, the drama over vaccines has masked a bigger and untold story, which is the vast promise of mRNA technology. Messenger RNA has shown enormous potential for medical applications beyond Covid to other infectious diseases, as well as vaccines and treatments for conditions from cancer to multiple sclerosis. Its development is a tale of scientific perseverance and serendipity that deserves more attention, with a prominent role by an American immigrant from communist Hungary.

The Omicron variant is an example of mRNA’s promise and adaptability. Omicron has some 30 mutations on its spike protein that could make it harder for vaccine-induced antibodies to recognize and neutralize the virus. But mRNA vaccines can be reformulated for the new variant.



BioNTech and Pfizer say they could begin shipping vaccines that target Omicron within 100 days if protection from their existing vaccines declines substantially against the new variant. Moderna has already started testing booster shots designed to anticipate mutations. It also says it would rapidly advance an Omicron-specific booster shot, which could be available early next year.


That quick pivot would be impossible with conventional vaccine technologies, which usually take between six and 36 months just to manufacture and deliver. It can take many more years to design vaccines. With mRNA, vaccine makers only need about six weeks to adapt a shot and then take it from the lab to production.

Messenger RNA delivers the genetic code instructing human cells how to create a protein—in this case, the coronavirus spike, which binds to the ACE2 receptor on human cells. The mRNA is enveloped in lipid nanoparticles, which are fatty blobs that protect the genetic motherload from degradation and facilitate its entry into cells. Once the mRNA is injected into the muscle, human cells become vaccine mini-factories that churn out pseudovirus particles, which in turn prompt the immune system to produce antibodies that respond when confronted with the real thing. The vaccines also induce T cells, which provide a backup defense to antibodies. If a virus mutates, scientists can easily swap new genetic code into the mRNA.

The Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccines are the first commercially approved mRNA products, but they were made possible by decades of experimentation, innovation and determination. Geneticists established the existence of mRNA in the early 1960s. RNA regulates how genes are expressed and is a single-stranded molecule similar to the double-helix DNA. Messenger RNA carries the instructions from DNA to the protein-making machinery in cells, known as ribosomes.

That’s where Katalin Kariko comes in. The 66-year-old Hungarian-born biochemist, now a scientist at BioNTech, first began working with RNA as a graduate student in the late 1970s at the University of Szeged. Researchers were interested in manipulating what is known as small RNA to generate antiviral effects. In 1985 the biological center where she was a researcher ran out of funding, and her postdoctoral position was terminated.

She applied for three research positions in Europe but wasn’t eligible for funding. Then she landed a postdoctoral position at Temple University. She and her husband sold their car for £900 (about $1,200), sewed the notes into their 2-year-old daughter’s teddy bear—Hungary didn’t allow citizens to take cash out of the country—and moved to Philadelphia.

Years later the University of Pennsylvania hired her as an adjunct professor. At the time, she envisioned using mRNA to create therapeutic proteins that could substitute for medications. But because she failed to obtain grants, she was passed up for promotions. Government, nonprofit institutions and investors were skeptical about mRNA since the genetic material was considered fragile and produced too little protein to be effective. “For two years every month I submitted for a grant and got none,” Ms. Kariko says in an interview. Research on mRNA “was a backwater.”

Relying on senior faculty to support her research, she was determined to show that mRNA could be used for medical treatments. For a time she collaborated with a cardiologist on designing mRNA coded for proteins that could prevent blood clots after heart-bypass surgery. Later she worked with a neurologist to design mRNA that would instruct cells to create an enzyme that produces nitric oxide, which could dilate the brain’s blood vessels to relieve a hemorrhage.

One day she bumped into the immunologist Drew Weissman at a copy machine. “He was interested in doing a vaccine, and he says he was working with Anthony Fauci. I didn’t know who Fauci was. He was not in the television at the time,” she says. “Drew said he wanted to make a vaccine that can be therapeutic and prophylactic.”

She performed many experiments in animals and on cells cultured in Petri dishes. Yet when Dr. Weissmann tested her synthetic mRNA, it triggered an inflammatory response from human immune cells.

Eventually, Ms. Kariko and Dr. Weissman discovered by experimentation that swapping out uridine, one of mRNA’s component “letters,” for a chemically similar compound called pseudouridine blunted the inflammatory response. “This produced 10 times more protein,” she says. Starting in 2005 they published a series of papers describing their discovery.

The studies caught the attention of stem-cell biologist Derrick Rossi, who had the idea of using mRNA to reprogram human adult stem cells. He shared his idea with his Harvard Medical School colleague Timothy Springer, an immunologist. Mr. Springer had even more ambitious ideas to commercialize mRNA and approached Robert Langer, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology biomedical engineering professor with expertise in drug delivery and tissue engineering. With funding from biotech venture capitalists, Moderna was founded in 2010.

Meantime, Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci, a husband-and-wife immunologist team from Germany, were also working on mRNA. The couple envisioned using mRNA for immunotherapies, which mobilize the immune system to fight cancer. In 2008 they launched BioNTech.

BioNTech and Moderna both licensed the Kariko-Weissman innovation and have spent more than a decade building on it. Beyond a genetic sequence that encodes a protein, mRNA also includes elements that provide an instruction manual to the human cell machinery.

Every cell has the ability to make proteins, Dr. Sahin, CEO of BioNTech, says. “But the regulation of the ‘translation’ is a complex process.” By translation, he means the process by which mRNA is converted into a protein. “You have to imagine that the ribosome where the mRNA is translated is a privileged place in the cell. Not every mRNA can go there,” he says; mRNA needs “a passport to reach the ribosome. And when it is in the cell, there are many other mRNAs produced by the cell. So there’s a competition for how long the mRNA can stay at the ribosome and be translated. And it makes a difference whether the mRNA stays long enough to make five copies of a protein or 20 or 100 copies of a protein.”

Scientists don’t only have to design the genetic sequence for the proteins they want cells to create. They also have to create the “passport” to tell the cell’s machinery to create more or less of a protein.

BioNTech is working on “self-amplifying” mRNA that can produce large amounts of protein from a small amount of mRNA. This could enormously improve manufacturing efficiency—effectively moving more mRNA production from the lab into human cells—and the efficacy of future vaccines and treatments.

In 2018 BioNTech paired with Pfizer to develop a flu vaccine. With conventional flu shots, viruses are injected and fertilized in chicken eggs. Scientists harvest the fluid containing the virus and inactivate it, a cumbersome process that takes at least six months. Scientists have to guess the strains likely to be predominant at least eight months before flu season. That’s one reason flu vaccines are only 50% effective at preventing illness on average.

An mRNA flu vaccine could improve that efficacy by better matching the strains in circulation. And mRNA generates a stronger immune response than the inactivated viruses. Pfizer and BioNTech started a flu-vaccine trial in September, and Moderna launched one in July.

Moderna is also advancing vaccines for other infectious diseases, including Zika, HIV, Epstein-Barr, CMV, human metapneumovirus, parainfluenza virus and respiratory synclinal virus. The last three are respiratory viruses that can cause severe illness in children and people over 65. Moderna aims to combine vaccines for seasonal flu, RSV and Covid-19 into a single shot.

Before the pandemic, Moderna and BioNTech were each working on using mRNA for therapeutic purposes. Moderna paired with AstraZeneca on an mRNA therapy to regenerate heart tissue patients with heart failure. Their mRNA encodes a protein called vascular endothelial growth factor A, which promotes new blood-vessel growth. A phase 1 trial completed in early 2019 showed the mRNA, after being injected into the skin of men, caused a localized production of the protein without severe side effects. Last month they reported positive early results from a Phase 2 trial.

As Mr. Rossi recognized a decade ago, mRNA also offers the potential to reprogram cells. “We have shown that mRNA can be used to take a blood cell and generate a stem cell,” Dr. Sahin says. “This opens up the potential to address various diseases including aging and tissue repair.” Future mRNA uses could include stimulating the production of cartilage to ease arthritis and collagen to reduce wrinkles.

Autoimmune diseases, in which the immune system attacks parts of the body, are another promising area of research. BioNTech this year published a study that showed an mRNA vaccine has potential to treat multiple sclerosis without suppressing the immune system like existing therapies do.

BioNTech’s main focus is cancer. It has 21 mRNA products in its clinical pipeline that use 11 different approaches to killing cancer cells. One of Ms. Kariko’s first projects at BioNTech involved injecting mRNA coding for cytokines—proteins that control the immune response—into the surface of a tumor. That makes “the cold tumor hot, so that immune cells migrate there so they can see the metastatic tumor there and kill it.”

Another approach is cancer immunotherapy personalized for the patient. Dr. Sahin explains how it works: After taking a biopsy, “we identify the mutations” and use machine learning “to select those mutations that are the best suited to detect the patient’s tumor. And then we prepare mRNA for the patient. This is something we can do in less than six weeks.”

The patient is then injected with mRNA that codes for “neoantigens” on the tumor, which turbocharges the immune system to attack it. BioNTech has already begun Phase 2 trials for personalized melanoma and colon-cancer therapies, with initial results expected next year. It is also working on using mRNA to prevent relapses by inducing T cells to patrol throughout the body and kill hidden cancer cells that metastasize.

While Moderna and BioNTech were pioneers in mRNA, large drug makers including Pfizer, Sanofi and Merck are now investing heavily in the technology, which means more advances may come even sooner. Venture capitalists are pouring money into mRNA startups such as Strand Therapeutics and Kernal Biologics.

Not all experimental mRNA products will succeed. “There are many times I thought something was a good idea and then I realized it was not feasible,” Ms. Kariko concedes. But as her career shows, “there are windows of opportunities from closed doors.”

Ms. Finley is a member of the Journal’s editorial board

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WSJ: Vaxx spreads faster than Wuhan/Delta
« Reply #1514 on: December 04, 2021, 03:08:34 AM »
What Spreads Faster Than Covid? Vaccination.
Our last pointless ideological fight may be over whether the vaccinated are spreaders.

By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
Dec. 3, 2021 6:14 pm ET


It deserves a wow. Some 57% of the human population has received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, and 45% are fully vaccinated, in less than a year.

This means the vaccine has spread approximately twice as fast as the virus, never mind that the virus itself is an exceptionally fast spreader that organizes its own distribution without help from trained administrators and sub-zero storage.

Add that infection also offers a kind of vaccination, so now two kinds of resistance to Covid-19 have been spreading with unprecedented rapidity through the human population.


Numerous were the complaints about how Delta spoiled the summer even for vaccinated people, but it’s not clear why this was so. Vaccination takes away Covid’s deadliest property, its novelty to the human immune system, turning it into the equivalent of a cold or flu. Nobody lets the prospect of a cold or flu spoil their holiday (though perhaps they should for the sake of their elderly in-laws).


The point is not frivolous. It suggests why, rather than a dark new chapter, the Omicron variant may be our last big wallow in hysteria, from which we will awake slightly red-faced in the morning.

Start with numbers and remind yourself that what turned Covid into a global catastrophe wasn’t its unusual deadliness—in unvaccinated people, it appears to be roughly twice as deadly as the flu when unvaccinated apples are compared to unvaccinated apples; in vaccinated people it appears to be significantly less deadly given that our standard flu mortality estimate of 0.1% arises in a U.S. population in which vaccination approaches 70% for the riskiest age brackets.

The big disturber of our equanimity was Covid’s rapid spread—with so many of us getting our high-risk first exposure in a compressed period of time, straining the world’s hospitals.

With flu, the U.S. government estimates that 5% to 20% of us (with or without symptoms) are infected each year; about half of us are vaccinated. With Covid, a government-sponsored study recently estimated that 100 million were infected in 2020, or 30% of the U.S. population, at a time when almost nobody was vaccinated.

This speed of transmission is what keeps throwing the world for a loop; moreover, it seems indisputable in retrospect that we squandered our best point of leverage by failing to focus on protecting the elderly and those at highest risk.


Indeed, so much of what we became hysterical about—mask wearing and vaccine hesitancy as applied to the low-risk—was a poor substitute for communicating about and acting on distinctions in risk.

The worst part is we knew better on day one, but political imperative did not favor realistic communication about risk or prioritization.

Maybe the last of these pointless battles is the current ideologized argument over whether the vaccinated contribute significantly to transmission. The science is inconclusive, but a vaccinated person with Delta might be far less infectious than an unvaccinated person with Delta and still about as infectious as an unvaccinated person with the original Wuhan variant, which had no trouble circling the globe.


In any case, the bigger factor now is behavior, with social distancing falling by the wayside for an increasingly low-risk population. It’s clearer than ever that few of us will escape infection regardless of vaccination status. An extraordinarily safe assumption is that a more communicable variant, if that’s what Omicron is, won’t be “contained.” Hand-wringing about whether Omicron should have been identified sooner seems a tad unrealistic when ever-advancing immunity (natural and vaccinated) guarantees that a huge majority of infections will elude detection among millions of mild colds and flus or when devoid of symptoms altogether.

The shrinking number of Americans who are both high-risk and unvaccinated may be fools but the consequences fall mostly on themselves. In such a world, the idea that everybody’s vaccination status is everybody else’s business rests on increasingly forlorn assumptions.

A second blessing is that evolution gives the virus a reason to become less deadly and disabling, rather than the opposite, though we can never rule out bad luck. In recent weeks, meanwhile, I can’t help but notice the media finally noticing the dead end China set for itself. The Chinese people are falling behind the world in acquiring the powerful hybrid immunity that comes from effective vaccines plus exposure to the evolving virus.

Beijing started out with few good options but would have been wise to throw in its lot with the West on vaccine development. Now its slowly souring bet on zero Covid can only further alienate the country from a world that won’t soon be forgetting where this plague originated.





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WSJ: Vaccines or Naturals?
« Reply #1522 on: December 09, 2021, 06:49:45 AM »
Covid-19 Vaccines or Infections: Which Carries the Stronger Immunity?
Evidence grows that infections provide as much protection as vaccines, prompting some experts to suggest a nuanced approach to vaccine mandates
Vaccination is a far safer, more reliable strategy for acquiring immunity, given the risks of serious illness or death from infection. FREDERIC J. BROWN/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

By Denise Roland Follow
Nov. 27, 2021 5:30 am ET


Evidence is building that immunity from Covid-19 infection is at least as strong as that from vaccination. Scientists are divided on the implications for vaccine policy.

The role of immunity from infection, which scientists have been trying to figure out since the outset of the pandemic, has gained fresh significance amid the controversy over vaccine mandates.

Vaccines typically give rise to a stronger antibody response than infection, which might make them better at fending off the virus in the short term. Infection triggers a response that evolves over time, possibly making it more robust in the long term. A combination of both types appears to be stronger than either alone. But the jury is out on whether one form is stronger than the other, and whether their relative strength even matters for vaccine policy.

The comparison is further complicated by the emergence of new variants, such as that identified this month in southern Africa, which may be more contagious and be better at evading vaccines.

One thing is clear: Vaccination is a far safer, more reliable strategy for acquiring immunity, given the risks of serious illness or death from infection. But viewpoints splinter about whether people who have had Covid-19 before need a full course of vaccination, and whether documented prior infection should count as proof of immunity—as is the case in some other countries, including much of Europe.

Immunity from infection hasn’t been studied as extensively as vaccine-mediated immunity. But over the course of the pandemic, clues have emerged to suggest the two are at least equivalent.

Several peer-reviewed studies conducted in the early part of the pandemic, before widespread vaccination, found that people infected during the first waves were around 80% less likely to test positive during the next surge. Those studies spanned healthcare workers in the U.K., the Danish population and patients at the Cleveland Clinic, a large health system with facilities mostly in Ohio and Florida.

A recent Israeli study found that people who had been vaccinated with two shots of the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE —the most commonly used there—were 13 times more likely to later get infected than those with a prior infection. The study, which hasn’t been peer reviewed, tracked confirmed infections between June and August this year for people who had been either vaccinated or infected in January or February.

It also suggested that immunity from infection is longer lasting than that from vaccination.

More real-world evidence would be needed to make the case that immunity from infection is superior to that from vaccination, said David Dowdy, associate professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

A factor that may have exaggerated the protective benefit of infection in the Israeli study was that vaccinated people could be more likely to travel abroad and bring the virus back to their vaccinated families, pushing case numbers up in that group, he said.

Data from the U.K.’s Office for National Statistics showed that, between May and August, a prior infection offered around the same level of protection against the Delta variant as vaccination with either the Pfizer shot or the one developed by AstraZeneca PLC and the University of Oxford.


Some studies suggest the opposite. One, conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that, among people hospitalized with a respiratory illness, Covid-19 was over five times more common among those who were unvaccinated and had an earlier infection compared with those who were fully inoculated and hadn’t had the virus before. Critics say the study, which hasn’t been peer reviewed, had flaws that likely overestimated the relative strength of vaccination.

The CDC said in a recent review of the current scientific evidence that both fully vaccinated and those previously infected with the virus have a low risk of subsequent infection for at least six months.

“It is complicated but…we’re at a state in the world where [vaccination and prior infection] seem equally protective,” said Monica Gandhi, professor of medicine and associate chief of the University of California San Francisco’s division of HIV, infectious diseases and global medicine.

The two forms of immunity appear to have different strengths. Vaccination with mRNA vaccines produced higher concentrations of neutralizing antibodies—the type that prevent the virus from entering cells—than infection, although levels waned in both groups, according to a recent paper published in the journal Nature by researchers at the Rockefeller University in New York.

The new coronavirus variant has sparked fears of further travel restrictions.

Immune memory, however, appears to be stronger following infection. The Rockefeller research group found in an earlier study, also published in Nature, that the antibodies produced by memory B cells—which quickly multiply in subsequent encounters with the virus—continued to evolve at least a year after infection. The study on vaccinated people found that the antibodies produced by their memory B cells didn’t change much over time.

One possible reason for the difference, they said, was that pieces of virus remain in the body for weeks after infection, whereas vaccine particles fade away faster. The upshot: The immune memory of people who have been infected is ready to produce a broader array of antibodies than of people who have been vaccinated.

Michel Nussenzweig, the professor who led the Rockefeller research, said the papers suggest that vaccination likely offers better protection from infection but that this protection wanes rapidly. However, the quality of long-term immune memory, which is key to responding to infection and staying out of the hospital, is superior in people who have had an infection, he said.

So-called hybrid immunity—that in people who have had both vaccination and infection—has been shown to be strongest of all. The Rockefeller researchers found that vaccination boosted levels of antibodies in the blood and memory B cells in people who had been infected before. The effect also appears to work in the other direction: A study of vaccinated people who were infected during a July 4 holiday weekend outbreak in Cape Cod found that they produced high levels of antibodies and T-cells directed against the virus. That study, led by researchers at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, hasn’t been peer reviewed.


Questions remain, though, about whether people who have had Covid-19 need a full course of vaccination. A study from New York University found that although one dose of the Pfizer vaccine significantly increased antibody levels in people with a prior infection, a second dose produced a more muted response.

Another study from researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York found that a single dose of the Pfizer or Moderna Inc. vaccines produced more antibodies in people who had previously had Covid-19 than two doses did in those who had never encountered the virus. It also found that people with prior infection report more unpleasant side effects from vaccination. The authors concluded that offering a single shot to those who had already had Covid-19 wouldn’t negatively affect their antibody levels and would spare them from needless pain. The NYU and Icahn studies haven’t been peer reviewed.

Some doctors say the mounting evidence on the role of immunity from infection supports a more nuanced approach to vaccine policy.

Among them is UCSF’s Dr. Gandhi, who supports a single dose of vaccine in people who have had the virus. She also thinks prior infection should carry weight when it comes to vaccine mandates. “Mandating [vaccination] so that someone [unvaccinated] loses their job if they have a proven prior infection is going too far,” she said.

Marty Makary, a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, also advocates a case-by-case approach to vaccination in people who have already had Covid-19, especially among children. “There’s no scientific basis for vaccinating people who had the infection,” he said. “It’s not clear to me that the benefits of vaccination in someone who has circulating antibodies outweighs the risk.”



Lockdowns, vaccine requirements and travel restrictions have swept Europe amid rising Covid infections and concerns over a variant detected in South Africa, highlighting new challenges ahead for the U.S. as officials want to avoid more shutdowns.

Yet others say universal vaccination—as recommended by the CDC—still makes sense. That is mainly because the vaccines are safe and have been shown to enhance the immune response of people who have been infected before.

One issue with a more targeted approach is that immune responses to infections vary, and there is no way to sort out people whose infection led to a strong response from those who didn’t. Although responses to vaccination also differ, the dose is fixed, making it less variable, they say.

“The risk of vaccination is extraordinarily low,” said Tom Frieden, former director of the CDC and chief executive of Resolve to Save Lives, a nonprofit initiative that works on strengthening epidemic preparedness. “The benefit is high and the uncertainty with infection makes it so that you can’t make that a replacement to vaccination.”

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1523 on: December 09, 2021, 08:32:49 AM »
one can watch cable news and keep driving one self nuts with the 24/7 daily rehash
of cherry picked data analyses and pundits
health "experts" etc

I just got the damn 3rd shot
and am glad

the rest of the country can keep yelling screaming wringing their hands back and forth

Frankly my dears , I don't give a shit anymore

thank you for listening

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VAXX worsens omincron response?
« Reply #1525 on: December 13, 2021, 09:04:33 PM »

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Reinfections of Natural Antibodies de minimis
« Reply #1526 on: December 13, 2021, 09:05:34 PM »


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Another Israeli study
« Reply #1528 on: December 14, 2021, 08:50:04 AM »


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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1530 on: December 15, 2021, 02:11:30 PM »
".And a prominent and early supporter of the natural origins narrative, Columbia University virologist Ian Lipkin, changed his mind about the virus’s origin after the Wuhan Institute admitted it conducted its coronavirus experiments at a BSL-2 lab.

“It shouldn’t have happened,” Lipkin stated. “People should not be looking at bat viruses in BSL-2 labs.”

Lipkin said that he now considers a lab leak to be a viable theory, saying that his “view has changed.”

Well Ian Lipkin will not be invited back on DNC shill Erin Burnett any time soo.

he will not get free tickets to an NBA game
may lose is tenure at Columbia
and get "fact checked on Fakebook".

here he is on DNC propagandist fake jurnolisters show [for the last time]:

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1355390535385501698

AND HE BETTER NOT SET FOOT BACK IN PRC.

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1531 on: December 16, 2021, 12:22:02 AM »
As previously mentioned Ian Lipkin was a college buddy in my freshman and sophmore years.  At the time he went by Wally".  We use to jam together on guitar, with him taking lead.

Glad to see him rediscovering his integrity!



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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1534 on: December 18, 2021, 01:18:51 PM »
Laura had a researcher who developed the "RNA platform "

on last night (but I cannot find it posted now no link here )

He along with a researcher who did the "best meta analysis"
explained how a recent study was shut down by Merck for lack of study medicine.

They said the reasons for stopping it had to be a lie ( or gross negligence) and suspect a cover up.

It is possible that it is Merck's interests to stop that research for the this very cheap generic drug (ivermectin ) in order to push the more expensive drugs they are researching later.

(or the med est. is covering this up for political reasons?)

he also said omicron is much less serious than delta or previous strains and to his knowledge only 10 deaths so far -> WOLRD WIDE ! And this would be a blessing if this milder variant takes hold to replace earlier more dangerous strains.

One thing I do not disagree with he said the 300 mcgs per kg (ivermectin) is "small".
When I have used ivermectin  for parasites it is 200  mcgs/kg that we use, so I do not think this is a "small dose". It is the usual therapeutic dose.

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html#dosage

I have not been offering ivermectin
at this point, but my mind is open.

I don't trust Merck after yesterday's interview.





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Dems covid handling a disaster
« Reply #1535 on: December 21, 2021, 05:48:10 AM »
Had scratchy throat low grade fever
and mild headache and feeling washed out
yesterday

called and googled around

  no home or PCR tests available in my area for 8 days.....

thanks Joe and Phil (Murphy).
   

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Re: Dems covid handling a disaster
« Reply #1536 on: December 21, 2021, 06:56:10 AM »
Had scratchy throat low grade fever
and mild headache and feeling washed out
yesterday

called and googled around

  no home or PCR tests available in my area for 8 days.....

thanks Joe and Phil (Murphy).  (Gov NJ)

Operation Warpspeed is currently on vacation in Mara Lago. Current occupant is more interested in trans bathrooms than public health.

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1537 on: December 21, 2021, 06:59:51 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-origin-covid-mps-told/

Lab leak? Yes, and wouldn't be a global pandemic without '"gain of function".

China and Fauci lied and millions died.

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correction of my 12/18 post
« Reply #1538 on: December 21, 2021, 07:45:46 AM »
".One thing I do not disagree with he said the 300 mcgs per kg (ivermectin) is "small".
When I have used ivermectin  for parasites it is 200  mcgs/kg that we use, so I do not think this is a "small dose". It is the usual therapeutic dose."

I meant to say , "I DO DISAGREE".


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Army creating omni vaccine?
« Reply #1540 on: December 22, 2021, 05:45:15 AM »
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

I note that at long last someone is acknowledging my point about the corruption of vaxx efficacy rates by including people with natural antibodies:

"The vaccine’s human trials took longer than expected, he said, because the lab needed to test the vaccine on subjects who had neither been vaccinated nor previously infected with COVID.

"Increasing vaccination rates and the rapid spread of the Delta and Omicron variants made that difficult. "
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Re: Epidemics: 28% of young blacks in NY are vaccinated
« Reply #1542 on: December 22, 2021, 06:43:13 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

Someone please send NYT login codes to me by private message.  )

Interesting that Trump pushed the vaccine and has now had his booster, and the young and black, not a traditional conservative base group, are among the most unvaxxed.

Someone please check the narrative.

I can't see the article but what this statistic says to me is that young blacks are among the most skeptical of government knows best message, a core tenet of conservatism, no matter the merits of the vaccine.

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Re: Army creating omni vaccine?
« Reply #1543 on: December 22, 2021, 08:00:54 AM »
"I note that at long last someone is acknowledging my point about the corruption of vaxx efficacy rates by including people with natural antibodies"

   - That's right.  With the whole world as a sample size, it is so strange that our data is so flawed and lacking.

Among both the vaxxed and the unvaxxed are those with natural immunities.

Twice I have shown my vaccine card to enter a (choral music) event, proving that I have, what, 1/13th the protection of someone unvaccinated who recently recovered from Covid?  Next time, if they scrutinize carefully enough, they will kick me out for not having a booster - an alpha booster that doesn't stop the spread of delta or omicron. 

Everything is based on rear view mirror data.  By the time I took the alpha vaccine, the threat was delta and now it is 80% omicron with no data yet showing that bug is more dangerous than the flu, or walking to the store.

A new vaccine protecting against Omicron is great news!  Why are they requiring me to take the old one that doesn't?

Heart disease and cancer both kill more people than covid.  We focus on covid deaths because they are more avoidable.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

Speaking of data and avoidable transmission, Covid killed fewer people at its peak than abortion:
https://christianliferesources.com/2021/01/19/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-1973-current/
Liberal silence on that is deafening.
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Harris exposed to corona - so she hops on plane to fly to other side of country
« Reply #1546 on: December 23, 2021, 10:03:57 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/23/kamala-harris-flees-d-c-for-los-angeles-after-close-contact-with-infected-staffer/

she should stay put and quarantine
not jump on airplane to fly 3,000 miles

what the hell is so pressing she needs to be in California anyway that she cannot do from DC
via online phone etc?

yet Americans should not get together for the holidays for any risk at all.  :roll:

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Biden did not do enough?
« Reply #1548 on: December 23, 2021, 02:55:06 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/us/biden-omicron-measures-experts/2021/12/23/id/1049818/

At this point after 2 yrs

I feel there is no real stopping this
might as well run its course
and high risk people take more precautions

all these measures apart from vaccination to prevent severe infections
can't stop this.

a President Houdini would not have been able to do more

we have to hope for God to kill off the virulent strains and the scientists to save us from this

like in the War of the Worlds.....

and make China pay for this.....