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We can argue whether they are effective or not
« Reply #804 on: October 16, 2020, 04:56:19 AM »
but if only Trump had simply promoted masks, the social distancing instead of mocking them, and did everything else like he did
then his response to corona would have been far less open to criticism:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/chris-christie-says-he-was-icu-7-days-battling-covid-n1243589

The only way to truly stop its spread is to shut the economy down which is worse then the illness.

otherwise the "contact tracing " with testing might help contain it early ona
but once the cat is out of the bag forgetaboutit.

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Pandemic: Dr. Birx
« Reply #805 on: October 20, 2020, 06:00:43 AM »
March 31, 2020:  Dr. Birx predicts up to 200,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths 'if we do things almost perfectly'.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876

Hmmm.

What she didn't say:  This would be zero if Joe Biden were President - doing exactly the same things.


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other then shutting everything down not sure what Scott wants us to do
« Reply #806 on: October 25, 2020, 10:59:10 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/gottlieb-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/10/25/id/993677/

you can't contact trace millions of people

I do agree with distancing and masks

but what else?

destroy the economy ?



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Trumps inability and hard headedness will be reason he loses
« Reply #810 on: November 01, 2020, 08:53:49 AM »
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Fauci-warns-of-covid-19-surge-offers-blunt-15691371.php


it would be very sad if his inability to admit he could have been more forceful at at least appearing recommend some common sense distancing and masks

causes him to lose but very likely it will

It is hard to say with cases continuing to mount he keeps telling us "nothing there" it does not  look idiotic

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Re: Trumps inability and hard headedness will be reason he loses
« Reply #811 on: November 01, 2020, 10:46:57 AM »
"he could have been more forceful at at least appearing recommend some common sense distancing and masks... "

Fair enough but hard to say people weren't warned of the danger or advised of the precautions to take.

Everyone on this board knew by Jan 23 before WHO said anything:
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1148.msg122641#msg122641

By the end of January, Trump had closed the flights from China. In February I was selling my stocks. By March 12th everyone was scrambling for hand sanitizers  and afraid to walk through airports. By March 16th we had lockdowns.  It was the medical people that played down the masks. President Trump put his very top person at the top of the task force and with the top professionals in the field they talk to the nation everyday.  The network said newspapers were fixated on false stories of millions of deaths, we thought everyone might die.

We hit the number of deaths they said what happen if we did everything perfectly. But it's all Trump's fault. Good grief.

Before coronavirus there was a joke, e can put a man on the moon but we can't cure the common cold. Maybe we should have put a few resources into that. I still think cold viruses are spread by the cold remedy companies.

I posted the Bill Frist speech to the Harvard Medical School from 2005? A crisis for which we were unprepared.   In 2020,  we were still unprepared.

Obama Biden depleted the mask supply. Since it's year four of trump, it's now Trump's fault. Why weren't they warning him of that instead of wiretapping and setting perjury traps.

When it broke out in China, Democrats and media, I repeat myself, we're fixated on fabricated impeachment. Trump's fault.

So the answer must be socialism. That oughta fix it.

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #812 on: November 01, 2020, 02:15:35 PM »
 i am just saying if he did not go around exclaiming corner is turned with huge rallies while I keep anyone with a cough or sniffle out of work for 10 days even when I don't even know if what they have is nothing more than a common cold ......

etc,  we would not see headlines of him telling he is the greatest President juxtaposed with increasing corona case numbers every day

nothing to see folks...........

" We hit the number of deaths they said what happen if we did everything perfectly. But it's all Trump's fault. Good grief."

In all honesty , I don't know.   But the Left certainly is raising the question every minute of every day .


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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #813 on: November 01, 2020, 04:18:48 PM »

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/28/democrats-no-ban-act-coronavirus-china/



i am just saying if he did not go around exclaiming corner is turned with huge rallies while I keep anyone with a cough or sniffle out of work for 10 days even when I don't even know if what they have is nothing more than a common cold ......

etc,  we would not see headlines of him telling he is the greatest President juxtaposed with increasing corona case numbers every day

nothing to see folks...........

" We hit the number of deaths they said what happen if we did everything perfectly. But it's all Trump's fault. Good grief."

In all honesty , I don't know.   But the Left certainly is raising the question every minute of every day .


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not sure why we keep having to hear from this guy Gottlieb
« Reply #814 on: November 03, 2020, 10:44:24 AM »
who ran a biotech newsletter and served as head of FDA for a short time

https://www.newsmax.com/us/scott-gottlieb-covid-19-pandemic-deaths/2020/11/03/id/995038/

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Covid is over!
« Reply #816 on: November 08, 2020, 02:06:58 PM »

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of course AP never mentions TRump once
« Reply #817 on: November 09, 2020, 07:33:40 AM »
Fauci and all the other scientists that said it could not be done

but of Fauci is the one they interview not Trump!

https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-vaccine-effective-early-data-4f4ae2e3bad122d17742be22a2240ae8

This would not have happened without Trump !




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Covid treatment: Proning
« Reply #820 on: November 13, 2020, 08:26:38 PM »
https://www.wired.com/story/proning-covid-patients-seems-to-save-lives-but-how-many/

The method is thought to work by using gravity to pull fluids away from the back of the body, where there’s generally more lung tissue, thereby clearing up more space in the lungs for oxygen.

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Laws are for the little people-COVID
« Reply #823 on: November 18, 2020, 10:38:40 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/391334.php

Obey serfs! Pay no mind to what your betters are doing.


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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #825 on: November 23, 2020, 06:25:38 AM »
"Exponential growth of the coronavirus"

For better or worse that exponent has been at approximately 1 (no growth) since March.  The recent "seasonal" uptick measures at 1.14.

https://mobile.twitter.com/trvrb/status/1327437346065694721/photo/1

https://mobile.twitter.com/trvrb/status/1327437338834702337

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Re: Epidemics: death rate same as pre covid
« Reply #826 on: November 26, 2020, 05:52:24 PM »
https://web.archive.org/web/20201122214034/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

“Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”
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Come on man, look at the data!
« Reply #827 on: November 27, 2020, 02:04:15 PM »
whoops not this data:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

Someone at the publishing department  got a call from Vivek.

what is really obnoxious
is the reason even admitted for the removal from their site - IT DOES NOT FIT THEIR PREFERRED narrative

so truth and honesty is NOT the issue ; free press must be censored - it is their version of events
 only


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How many people are really dying of China Virus?
« Reply #829 on: November 30, 2020, 07:07:27 AM »
(link below)
Censored: How Many People Are Really Dying Of This Pandemic?
by Charles "Sam" Faddis November 28, 2020
 
John Hopkins University Assistant Program Director censored for her analysis of CDC data.
According to the legacy media, there have been more than 250,000 deaths from COVID-19 since the so-called pandemic began. That means to the average American that there are 250,000 plus Americans who are dead today who would otherwise still be with us. Those people were killed by the virus.

That seems a matter of common sense. Is it true?

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Johns Hopkins University, recently critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.” Her conclusion? COVID-19 is having no significant impact on deaths in the United States.

Briand explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States. Briand conducted a detailed review of the available data, relying upon the exact same numbers CDC uses in its calculations. Specifically, she delved deeply into the causes of death listed. What she found, not surprisingly, was that there was a sudden spike in 2020 for deaths linked to COVID-19. That makes sense, since COVID-19 only emerged as a major threat this year.

What she found next, though, was more surprising. While deaths attributed to COVID-19 dramatically increased, deaths attributed to all other causes suddenly plummeted. Most notable perhaps was the decrease in deaths attributed to heart disease. Somehow, suddenly, according to the data, in the midst of worldwide pandemic, Americans were much less likely to have heart attacks or strokes.

The same held true for deaths from diabetes, respiratory ailments, Alzheimer’s and every other disease that had plagued the United States for a generation. COVID-19 might be killing us but it was somehow magically curing us of a wide range of other diseases. And, miraculously, the decrease in deaths from all other causes seemed to match almost exactly the number of deaths reported to be attributable to COVID-19.

https://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/11/28/how-many-people-are-really-dying-in-this-pandemic/
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GPF: The Geopolitics of Vaccine Distribution
« Reply #830 on: November 30, 2020, 08:04:52 AM »
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The Geopolitics of Vaccine Distribution
Inoculations are a welcome development, but the public should temper its excitement.
By: Alex Berezow

The American pharmaceutical firm Pfizer, in collaboration with German firm BioNTech, surprised the world when it announced that its coronavirus vaccine showed 90 percent efficacy in preventing COVID-19. Days later, another American firm called Moderna announced that its vaccine was nearly 95 percent effective. And shortly after that, AstraZeneca announced that its vaccine was 62 percent to 90 percent effective. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration dictates that vaccines be at least 50 percent effective to earn emergency use authorization, and most observers weren’t expecting vaccine candidates to perform much better than that. The reported results, therefore, were a pleasant surprise that excited governments and markets alike.

The magnitude of this accomplishment cannot be overstated. Typically, the timeline from inception to regulatory approval of a new drug is about 10 years. After receiving approval, pharmaceutical firms then prepare for mass manufacturing, which itself could take another decade. However, thanks to a combination of factors – government programs like Operation Warp Speed, expedited regulatory approval and unprecedented global cooperation – the first batches of a COVID-19 vaccine from a trustworthy source will be delivered in less than a year. (China and Russia also claim to have created vaccines, but insufficient data and transparency make most Western scientists skeptical of their efficacy and safety.)

Even so, public excitement is premature. There are months to go before the vast majority of people, including Americans, can expect to receive the jab in their arms. The immediate hurdle is obtaining FDA approval. Though approval should take roughly three weeks as government experts pore over the data, the process could take longer. According to Dr. Henry Miller, a fellow at the Pacific Research Institute and the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology, the FDA has concerns about consistency in the production of the vaccine. In other words, the FDA wants to know if companies can manufacture batch after batch that meets certain quality control measures, such as potency and purity. By the end of December, Moderna plans to have 20 million doses, Pfizer 50 million doses, and AstraZeneca 200 million doses. So, some people should be receiving jabs before the end of 2020. (The regimen requires two shots one month apart, which means the number of people immunized is half the number of doses.) By the end of 2021, there should be billions of doses available from all companies combined.

The Race to a Coronavirus Vaccine
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But manufacturing is just one headache. Another is distribution, which is actually a two-fold problem: (1) Moderna’s vaccine must be kept frozen during long-term storage and shipment, but Pfizer’s vaccine must be kept at a whopping -94 degrees Fahrenheit (-70 degrees Celsius) during shipment; and (2) It’s neither ethically nor strategically clear who should receive the vaccines first.

The Distribution Dilemma

The reason your local grocery store contains relatively fresh food from the other side of the planet is because of something known as the “cold chain,” a series of refrigerated containers that allow perishable food to be shipped without spoiling. Many drugs and especially vaccines require the same thing. However, Pfizer’s vaccine, which consists of an unstable information-containing molecule called RNA encased within an equally unstable bubble of fat, requires storage at -94 F (-70 C). Generally, only research laboratories possess deep freezers that cold; pharmacies and hospitals do not. Pfizer’s solution is to provide special containers that can be packed with dry ice to maintain the requisite temperature, but once the vaccine has been removed and placed inside a regular refrigerator, the shelf life is five days. The Moderna vaccine can be stored and shipped at -4 F and has a shelf-life of 30 days in regulator refrigerators, so it poses a much smaller logistical challenge. AstraZeneca’s vaccine is the easiest to distribute, since it can be shipped at the regular refrigeration temperature of 36-46 F and kept on the shelf for six months.


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The question of who gets the vaccine first will play out initially at the international level. Countries that have made purchase orders will be the first to receive them. For example, according to Mint, the European Union has secured 200 million doses (with an option for 100 million more) for Pfizer’s vaccine, Japan 120 million doses, the United States 100 million doses (with an option for 500 million more), and the U.K. 30 million doses. If all options are exercised, Pfizer simply cannot meet that demand even by the end of 2021, which could mean that rich countries will fight among themselves over who gets what batch when. The U.S. already has a tense relationship with Europe, and a fight over vaccine batches would put more stress on a fragile trans-Atlantic relationship, especially since the country that receives the most vaccine doses has a likelier chance of improving its economy the quickest. Because Moderna, AstraZeneca and other companies will also produce vaccines, these tensions can be eased somewhat, though whichever country serves as a company’s “home” likely will be under substantial pressure to deliver vaccines to compatriots first. This latter point is complicated by the fact that some of these companies are multinational entities and have “homes” in several countries around the globe.

While rich countries duke it out, the rest of the world will have to wait. Money doesn’t solve everything. The logistical challenges posed by the cold chain make it nearly impossible to deliver a vaccine to a region with poor infrastructure and unreliable electricity. Gaps in the cold chain – that is, periods in which the vaccine is not stored at the proper temperature – would destroy the vaccine. (This is to say nothing of criminal activity. Everyone is a potential target of criminal enterprises that offer fake vaccines, of course, but poorer countries are most susceptible since delivery of legitimate vaccines may be months if not years away.)

Internally, countries will be faced with domestic political concerns over vaccine allocation. In the United States, there is tension between federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state governments over the number of doses each state will receive. The incoming Biden administration will be under tremendous pressure to deliver vaccines to Americans first, regardless of any contractual obligations that companies may have. If necessary, the president and Congress may get involved, overriding pharmaceutical companies’ contracts in the name of national security.

After that, there are ethical and strategic decisions to be made over who receives the vaccine first. The state of Washington, for example, has proposed three phases of distribution: First, frontline health care providers, first responders, and vulnerable populations (such as those with underlying health conditions or residents of long-term care facilities); second, the general community; and third, filling any “gaps” in vaccine access (such as in poorer communities). It is likely that many other states will employ a similar strategy.

There’s also the matter of vaccine efficacy. Simply put, some vaccines are better than others. Remember that the vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna are 95 percent effective, but AstraZeneca’s is merely 62 percent to 90 percent effective. Who gets the less effective vaccine? And who makes that decision?

The Amazing Race

The poorest nations are likeliest to get a coronavirus vaccine last. But there’s room for optimism as many other companies will continue developing coronavirus vaccines. Most, like the one made by AstraZeneca, will not require the extreme cold chain that Pfizer’s vaccine needs. In addition, AstraZeneca has pledged to forgo profits until the pandemic is over. The company is also working with nongovernmental organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to provide vaccines to developing countries.

The question about global vaccine distribution has therefore shifted from if to when. But will the vaccine(s) come in time to prevent further economic damage and social unrest? Vaccine delays could create or aggravate default risks in poorer countries, with financial contagion spreading to richer countries. Many people are no longer willing to tolerate lockdowns. All across Europe citizens are protesting additional safety measures, with demonstrations in Italy turning violent last week.

Ancillary effects of lockdowns have created other grievances against governments too. In many places, families and spouses have been separated because of border closures and arbitrary immigration policies. In Indonesia, for example, binational unmarried couples are not allowed to reunite, but elderly foreigners are allowed in as tourists despite the fact that elderly people are the likeliest to die from coronavirus. These policies have resulted in the Indonesian government being inundated with complaints by angry citizens. They reveal the tension between concerns over public health, the economy and the social fabric, and it’s not clear that they can be improved until a vaccine is fully deployed.

Indeed, few societies are willing to control the virus at the cost of ripping the social fabric. The coronavirus has revealed an immense tension between the economic and social pillars of our society. Governments have no good options. Some will be tempted to reimpose lockdowns, justifying them with the claim that they will be eased as soon as a vaccine is available. But this is a false reassurance. For citizens of rich countries, widespread vaccination is still months away. For citizens of poor countries, widespread vaccination may be years away. A restless public is not going to tolerate indefinite lockdowns through 2021, and governments that try to impose them should be prepared for civil unrest.

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #831 on: December 01, 2020, 11:40:36 AM »
Very interesting article Doug.

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Danish study - masks "don't work"
« Reply #832 on: December 03, 2020, 07:31:39 AM »
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4586

from Spectator to demigod Zuckerberg


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Totally safe!
« Reply #833 on: December 04, 2020, 05:36:28 PM »

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GPF: New Avian Flu
« Reply #835 on: December 05, 2020, 04:27:04 AM »
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New Avian Flu Outbreak
The virus has had the biggest impact in Russia and Europe.
By: Geopolitical Futures
New Avian Flu Outbreak
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Over the past few weeks, there has been an increasing number of reports of a new strain of avian influenza, H5N8. The rapid spread has been attributed in part to overlapping migratory patterns across Europe and Asia. The strain is highly contagious and pathogenic, meaning birds that have been infected can experience severe symptoms and a high mortality rate can result. The virus has affected both wild birds and commercial poultry, and farmers across the globe have already culled millions of chickens. In Russia and Europe, producers culled at least 3.4 million chickens by the end of November.

There are two main concerns with the outbreak. The first is the effect on food supplies. The level of food insecurity globally is already rising due to the coronavirus pandemic and climatic events. According to the latest U.N. figures, global food prices reached a six-year high in November. The Food and Agriculture Organization's Food Price Index rose 3.9 points from October to November to 105 points, a 6.5 percent increase year over year. The second concern is the possibility that the flu can be transferred to humans through a mutation in the virus. Such mutations are rare but not impossible, and given the fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic, we are keeping an eye on how this outbreak develops.

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Good news about the flu!
« Reply #836 on: December 06, 2020, 11:40:13 AM »



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Pandemic: Lockdown casualty = Children, 240,000 dropped out of school?
« Reply #839 on: December 08, 2020, 08:24:13 AM »
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/08/lockdowns-have-caused-more-children-to-drop-out-of-school-than-americans-have-died-of-covid/

Also, public school enrollment down significantly.  Doesn't that hurt funding and teachers?

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another media corporate DEm Party set up
« Reply #840 on: December 08, 2020, 01:51:56 PM »
All giving no credit to Trump for vaccine
and all playing PR games

over the distribution (Pfizer guy on CNBC just a while ago stating vaccines will not be available till Feb due to Trump not answering them on distribution

This is all planned by then to make it looks like joe Biden rode in on his white horse with his team of grifters
to fix a problem (that does not exist)
and claim credit to getting the vaccines to "Americans"

And tapper lo cuomo and the rest all in on it to start in few weeks giving Biden and the rest all the credit

for all being full of hot air.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/08/joe-biden-pledges-to-distribute-100-million-covid-vaccines-in-first-100-days/



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Pandemic, students at Indiana and Syracuse
« Reply #841 on: December 08, 2020, 06:48:31 PM »
"What we found is that, actually, the more in-person credit hours a student had, the less likely they were to test positive for COVID-19," said Dr. Lana Dbeibo, assistant professor of clinical medicine and medical director of infection prevention at the IU School of Medicine, and a key member of the IU Medical Response Team.

https://news.iu.edu/stories/2020/11/iu/releases/20-analysis-supports-safety-of-in-person-courses.html

The New York Times reports similar results from Syracuse:

“We have not had a single case that we can trace to a classroom,” said Mike Haynie, vice chancellor for strategic initiatives and innovation at Syracuse University. “It happened in communal living situations and in gatherings that took place off campus.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/06/us/colleges-covid-spring-semester.html
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Re: We knew this
« Reply #844 on: December 10, 2020, 04:24:12 PM »
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/12/09/video-ca-hhs-secretary-admits-outdoor-dining-ban-is-about-control-not-science-n291984

When a Republican makes a gaffe, he or she says something that is false or stupid.

When a Democrat males a gaffe, he or she speaks a truth openly about what they believe or want for us, but don't want us to know.

It's not about science.  It's about control.  Like G M said, we knew that.

Barack Obama was confronted with the fact that higher capital gains tax rates don't raise revenues for the government.  Rather than deny that or change his policy, he responded it was about fairness meaning political gain, not economics.  We knew that, but for one very short moment he spoke the truth.



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