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BLM in the schools
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George Friedman: The Crisis of the Univsersity
« Reply #452 on: August 27, 2020, 05:33:38 PM »
    The Crisis of the University and the Liberal Arts
Thoughts in and around geopolitics.
By: George Friedman

In my book “The Storm Before the Calm,” I predicted that one of the main battles of the next cycle would be the future of the university. The coronavirus pandemic has accelerated the timetable dramatically, so the crisis is now, and its manifestation is financial. Only schools with significant endowments can do without tuition for any length of time. This means many of the more than 5,000 universities in the United States will not be able to open this year and the rest will be teaching at distance.

For about 20 years, on and off, I was a professor of political philosophy. So believe me when I say the financial problems of the university come from how Americans see the university. The professors who teach the students are oddly deployed. They have the responsibilities of teaching, researching and serving on committees to manage the department. They also have a guarantee of academic freedom. Once tenured, after about seven years of service, they can no longer be fired except for cause. This guarantees them academic freedom, to challenge accepted truths and stand against conventional wisdom. One of the less appetizing aspects of American life (or all life) is the periodic fashions that hold certain ideas to be unacceptable. During various times in history, including our own, those holding these ideas were hunted down and banished. Academic freedom was meant to be a bulwark against conformity.

There is perhaps no place in which conformity rages more than in the university. Outsiders do not get tenure, and having gotten tenure they don’t get to sit on the cool committees that run the place, nor do they get to go to faculty parties, which on reflection is another benefit of being intellectually boorish. This affects teaching and research. As a professor, I taught between zero and nine hours per week during my career. After factoring in the holidays, professors are working part-time. Yes, there are office hours and times saved for grading papers – for which God frequently provides graduate assistants in better universities – but the teaching load is remarkably light even at its heaviest.

This is meant to free professors for research. But there is no quality control on research. In my academic career, I wrote two books and a bunch of articles. No one really read any of them, which was a mercy since they were really bad. But I made full professor on the strength of that, and at that point, I could climb no higher and could not be fired.

All of this is financed by federally backed loans – which permits universities to raise the price of entry, knowing that students will borrow money to pay the costs, which cover staff as well as the land the campus is built on. The university could easily sell that land and move into prefab buildings in the inner city, but then their entire marketing strategy would collapse. For students, the attraction of college is that it offers a chance not to think about the meaning of life, as the liberal arts demand, but to enjoy the company of their contemporaries, drink heavily and spend a couple of weeks pounding out bad papers for which they get high grades because they will at some point evaluate their professors, and hilariously the professors care.

This is financially unsustainable and quite unlike European universities. The university emerged in Europe to teach the tradition of ideas, not for vocational training. This inevitably attracted the high born, who could afford it. It was the origin of the liberal arts as a mode of thought. It was designed to keep tradition of knowledge derived from Plato and Aristotle alive through the ages, albeit in the hands of the literate aristocracy. That higher education has since been democratized is good, but it’s unclear whether the average American 19-year-old is able or willing to grasp the truth and the beauty of the liberal arts.

It is intellectually unsustainable too. The founding mission of the university was to preserve and transmit tradition to the future. The university has adopted other tasks such as engineering, social work and kinesiology. All are useful and necessary, but the liberal arts have gotten lost. Technology is critical, but it derives from a tradition few know and which is indispensable for us to know who we are and what our obligations are.

Those who study the liberal arts are the few. The many must study the useful and necessary crafts. Philosophy and mechanical engineering occupy different realms. What will emerge from this, I suspect, will be not a university encompassing everything that generates student loans, but a recognition that while all must know of the liberal arts, few can or want to master them. It is not the university but knowledge that we must care about, and we must not confuse teaching with research, or animal husbandry with the history of ideas. Both are needed. They do not enrich each other as much as divert resources. Schools of philosophy should be modest, small and filled with 40-year-olds. Schools of biology should be ambitious, large and filled with 20-year-olds. It will not be a measured or deliberate approach that will take us here. It will be closures and the drying up of funds.   





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WSJ: Bad Teaching is Tearing America apart
« Reply #456 on: September 14, 2020, 04:46:38 AM »
Bad Teaching Is Tearing America Apart
Education’s dumbing down frays the bonds of citizenship and is hardest on the poor, says E.D. Hirsch, the man who wrote the book on cultural literacy.
By Naomi Schaefer Riley
Sept. 11, 2020 4:49 pm ET

If you have school-age children, the pandemic-induced move to online classes may give you an unusual window into their education. E.D. Hirsch expects you’ll be surprised by “how little whole-class instruction is going on,” how little knowledge is communicated, and how there is “no coherence” from day to day, let alone from year to year.

The current fashion is for teachers to be a “guide on the side, instead of a sage on the stage,” he says, quoting the latest pedagogical slogan, which means that teachers aren’t supposed to lecture students but to “facilitate” learning by nudging students to follow their own curiosity. Everything Mr. Hirsch knows about how children learn tells him that’s the wrong approach. “If you want equity in education, as well as excellence, you have to have whole-class instruction,” in which a teacher directly communicates information using a prescribed sequential curriculum.

Mr. Hirsch, 92, is best known for his 1987 book, “Cultural Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know.” It is an argument for teaching “specifics,” followed by a lengthy list of them—thousands of historical figures, events, concepts and literary works with which, in Mr. Hirsch’s view, educated Americans should be familiar. Heavily weighted toward Western history and civilization, the list provoked charges of elitism. Yet Mr. Hirsch is singularly focused on helping disadvantaged kids. They “are not exposed to this information at home,” he says, so they’ll starve intellectually unless the schools provide it.

He continues the argument in his new book, “How to Educate a Citizen,” in which he describes himself as a heretofore “rather polite scholar” who has become more “forthright and impatient because things are getting worse. Intellectual error has become a threat to the well-being of the nation. A truly massive tragedy is building.” Schools “are diminishing our national unity and our basic competence.”

Mr. Hirsch is nonetheless cheerful in a Zoom interview from a vacation home in Maine, his armchair perched next to a window with a water view. An emeritus professor at the University of Virginia, he normally resides in Charlottesville, where he continues his research and acts as the chairman of the Core Knowledge Foundation.

He cites both history and neuroscience in explaining how education went wrong. It began in the 1940s, when “schools unbolted the desks and kids were no longer facing the teacher.” Instead children were divided into small groups and instructed to complete worksheets independently with occasional input from teachers. “That was also when our verbal test scores went down and the relative ranking of our elementary schools declined on a national level.” On the International Adult Literacy Survey, Americans went from being No. 1 for children who were educated in the 1950s to fifth for those in the ’70s and 14th in the ’90s. And things have only gotten worse. Between 2002 and 2015, American schoolchildren went from a ranking of 15th to 24th in reading on the Program for International Student Assessment.

The problem runs deeper than the style of instruction, Mr. Hirsch says. It’s the concept at its root—“child-centered classrooms,” the notion that “education is partly a matter of drawing out a child’s inborn nature.” Mr. Hirsch says emphatically that a child’s mind is “a blank slate.” On this point he agrees with John Locke and disagrees with Jean-Jacques Rousseau, who thought children’s need to develop according to their nature. Both philosophers make the “Cultural Literacy” list, but “Locke has to make a comeback” among educators, Mr. Hirsch says. “The culture is up for grabs, and elementary schools are the culture makers.”

Mr. Hirsch is a man of the left—he has said he is “practically a socialist.” But he bristles at the idea that kids should read only books by people who look like them or live like them. He recalls how reading outside his own experience enabled him “to gain perspective.” Growing up in Memphis, Tenn., in the 1930s, he says, “there was no one I knew who wasn’t a racist.” In his teens, he picked up Gunnar Myrdal’s “An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy” (1944), which “allowed me to escape.” The Swedish sociologist’s survey of American race relations “made a huge impact” on Mr. Hirsch. “I take it as an illustration of how important knowledge is and how important it is to not necessarily become a member of your culture.”

That’s no less true in 21st-century America. “The idea that identity and ethnicity are inborn and indelible from birth is a false view that leads to group hostility,” Mr. Hirsch says. “The idea that there can be an American culture that everyone joins seems to be anathema to some academic thinkers,” Mr. Hirsch says. “But I can’t believe it’s anathema to any normal person in the country who isn’t some social theorist.” It’s fine for children to embrace their particular heritage, he says, but also vital to create an “American ethnicity.” The purpose of elementary schools “is to make children into good citizens.”

That requires knowledge that is “shared nationally, if you’re going to read and write and communicate with one another.” He’s dismayed that people keep getting hung up on the particulars. “I’m fine with arguing about whether it shall be Toni Morrison or Herman Melville. Who cares?” He calls elementary school “a nonpartisan institution,” a view that may seem quaint in an era when schools are adopting ideological curricula like the “1619 Project” and teachers are displaying “Black Lives Matter” banners as their Zoom backgrounds.

Mr. Hirsch wants to correct some of these excesses. He dedicates “How to Educate a Citizen” to the late political scientist Richard Rorty, who died in 2007. Rorty “made a distinction between the political left and the cultural left,” says Mr. Hirsch, who considers himself a man of the former but not the latter. He commends to me a 1994 New York Times article, “The Unpatriotic Academy,” in which Rorty wrote: “In the name of ‘the politics of difference,’ [the left] refuses to rejoice in the country it inhabits. It repudiates the idea of a national identity, and the emotion of national pride.” Mr. Hirsch agrees and longs for the “willingness to sacrifice for the good of society that was very strong” during his early years. “Patriotism is important because we want to make our society work.”

Mr. Hirsch also takes issue with grade schools’ focus on “skills.” Whether it is imparting “critical thinking skills,” “communication skills” or “problem-solving skills,” he says such instruction is a waste of time in the absence of specific knowledge. He describes the findings of the National Academy of Sciences on the subject of the “domain specificity of human skills.” What this means, he explains in the new book, “is that being good at tennis does not make you good at golf or soccer. You may be a talented person with great hand-eye coordination—and indeed there are native general abilities that can be nurtured in different ways—but being a first-class swimmer will not make a person good at hockey.”

He cites the “baseball study,” conducted by researchers at Marquette University in the 1980s, which found that kids who knew more about how baseball was played performed better when answering questions about a text on baseball than those who didn’t understand the game—regardless of their reading level. The conventional response in education circles is that standardized tests are unfair because some kids are exposed to more specific knowledge than others. In Mr. Hirsch’s view that’s precisely why children should be exposed to more content: Educators “simply haven’t faced up to their duty to provide a coherent sequence of knowledge to children.”

There are now about 5,000 schools in the U.S. that use some form of the Core Knowledge curriculum, developed by Mr. Hirsch’s foundation. And research suggests Mr. Hirsch is right. A recent large-scale randomized study of public-school pupils in kindergarten through second grade found that use of the Core Knowledge Language Arts curriculum had statistically significant benefits for vocabulary, science knowledge, and social-studies knowledge.

Even in poor neighborhoods, kids at Core Knowledge schools perform well and are admitted to competitive high schools. From the South Bronx Classical Charter School to the public schools in Sullivan County, Tenn., Mr. Hirsch is clearly proud that his ideas have helped the least privileged kids in America.

He questions the idea that children who are exposed to more “experiences” are at an automatic advantage. “That’s what fiction is for,” he quips. And not only fiction. “The residue of experience is knowledge,” he says. “If you get your knowledge from the classroom, it’s just as good as if you got it from going to the opera. Poor kids can catch up.”

Asked about the effect of the pandemic and lockdown on children’s emotional well-being, Mr. Hirsch shrugs, then offers an anecdote from a principal at a Core Knowledge school. Before classes began one morning, a second-grade girl approached him and said: “I’m so excited for today.” When the principal asked why, she said, “Because today we are going to learn about the War of 1812.”

“Gee, I wonder what that’s about,” the principal said.

“I don’t know,” the girl replied. “But today I’m going to find out!”

For Mr. Hirsch, the lesson is clear. No matter the circumstances, “kids delight in learning things.”

Ms. Riley is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a senior fellow at the Independent Women’s Forum.


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write off student loan debt per Dems
« Reply #457 on: September 17, 2020, 03:42:50 PM »
aka

taxpayers eat 50K per student:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/democrats-senate-chuck-schumer-elizabeth-warren/2020/09/17/id/987488/

also a nod to colleges and universities
that just keep upping their bills.

so long as they keep up leftist woke teaching ..........

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Re: write off student loan debt per Dems
« Reply #458 on: September 18, 2020, 06:08:23 AM »
aka

taxpayers eat 50K per student:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/democrats-senate-chuck-schumer-elizabeth-warren/2020/09/17/id/987488/

also a nod to colleges and universities
that just keep upping their bills.

so long as they keep up leftist woke teaching ..........

Since the govt is already 4 trillion in deficit, they can"t really 'cancel' debt, they can only transfer it to others  - including the same people they say no longer owe the money.

It penalizes those young voters who already paid off their obligations.  Now they owe for their classmates' overpriced education too. They either become new Republicans or are just chumps.
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Re: Education, 9 years of Common Core
« Reply #459 on: September 20, 2020, 01:26:56 PM »
9 Years Into Common Core, Test Scores Are Down, Indoctrination Up: Common Core sucked all the energy, money, and motivation right out of desperately needed potential reforms to U.S. public schools for a decade.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/05/9-years-common-core-test-scores-indoctrination/

Math achievement is at a 20 year low.
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2018/10/17/math-scores-slide-to-a-20-year-low.html?cmp=eml-enl-eu-news2&M=58642882&U=987573&UUID=0d3e884f4a62f5edab8873cacf59ebb9

4th graders reading decline:
https://thefederalist.com/2017/12/08/post-common-core-u-s-kids-slide-another-academic-measure/

So you’re saying everything is proceeding as planned?   - Glenn Reynolds


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academics feeding the frenzy
« Reply #461 on: September 24, 2020, 06:35:01 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/outrageous-ohio-state-university-president-sends-ignorant-unhinged-text-message-parents-following-breonna-taylor-decision/

I have been thinking about my own education and it was about a quarter of a century ;

I cannot recall even ONE instance of a teacher or professor at any level who ever mentioned politics one way or the other.  Not one.

College is now an indoctrination system for the Democrat Party


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Critical race propaganda in education
« Reply #462 on: October 08, 2020, 06:24:26 AM »
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/tackle-critical-theory-the-k-12-classroom-start-colleges-education

of  course Columbia was happy to have Jewish philosopher Max Horkheimer, another of the self righteous :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Horkheimer


Like Mark Levin says
the Jews brought their communist like socialist views from Europe with them to the US

me :   thanks for your gift.    :roll:

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Re: Critical race propaganda in education
« Reply #463 on: October 23, 2020, 04:38:49 PM »
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/tackle-critical-theory-the-k-12-classroom-start-colleges-education

of  course Columbia was happy to have Jewish philosopher Max Horkheimer, another of the self righteous :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Horkheimer

Like Mark Levin says
the Jews brought their communist like socialist views from Europe with them to the US

me :   thanks for your gift.    :roll:

Nice answer to this here:  [UK]
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/10/my-new-hero-kemi-badenoch.php

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what would happen if Joe wipes out student debt
« Reply #464 on: October 26, 2020, 05:10:52 PM »
would it wipe out the creditors?

would colleges and universities eat the cost?

no , money would be confiscated from those who have more money to pay off the creditors:

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/738506646/student-debt-forgiveness-sounds-good-what-might-happen-if-the-government-did-it




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Re: Education
« Reply #466 on: October 28, 2020, 09:03:44 AM »
funny is it not

how whenever student debt is spoken about by Democrats ad nauseam, we never (as far as I know) hear then state we should hold the institutions administrators or employees who have increased the student  fees much faster than inflation , should be the ones who are held accountable

it is always someone "rich" ( code word for all taxpayers ) should pay them everything they ask



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Re: Education, Harvard Law anti-constitutionalism?
« Reply #469 on: December 03, 2020, 06:06:01 PM »
Optimistic thinking, some years ago, that the 'education' thread wasn't put under 'politics'.

This is a Harvard Law Professor.  If not adherence to a constitution, what are they teaching?
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Harvard law professor Michael J. Klarman writing in the November 2020 Harvard Law Review:

The second way to pursue a fairer Senate apportionment would be simply to ignore the constitutional provision mandating two senators for every state as a particularly egregious example of dead-hand control. The Senate could then be reapportioned through statute or perhaps a national referendum. Ignoring a clear constitutional provision would trouble many Americans, but the Court has done this itself more than once when societal consensus strongly backed the move ...

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of course his being democrat has nothing to do with his opinion
« Reply #470 on: December 04, 2020, 07:10:40 AM »
talking about Klarman
above

lawyer
Harvard
political correctness
Jewish

would love to see his opinion if the the Senate would become more REpublican not Democrat if his dreams come true

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Re: Education, 22% fewer HS grads enter college
« Reply #471 on: December 11, 2020, 06:58:49 AM »

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Re: Education
« Reply #472 on: December 11, 2020, 12:44:09 PM »
22 % less go to college

watch

what do you think the response from  college administrations will be ?

It SHOULD be they start reducing their fees and reduce salaries

Instead it will be to lobby for more State and Federal money
and future President Gaffe will be right there to accommodate them .


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Re: Education, public school curriculum
« Reply #474 on: January 15, 2021, 05:16:46 AM »
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/we-are-all-white-supremacists-now.php

Here are some of the things that will no longer be covered in the public school curriculum:

* World War I
* World War II
* The Holocaust
* The Civil War
* The American Revolution
* Communism
* Notable Americans like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

You may ask, what in God’s name do the standards cover? The usual:

* Systemic racism in the U.S., rooted in our founding
* How freedom and democracy have included or excluded certain groups throughout our history
* Developing a “respectful awareness” of the LGBTQ+ community
* The Reconstruction period, specifically successful efforts to disenfranchise newly freed Black Americans and connecting this history to persistent discrimination and inequity in the present
* An analysis of the ideology of Manifest Destiny and its relationship to whiteness, Christianity, and capitalism

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If Dems Support 'Equity,' Why Are They Silent on School Choice?
« Reply #475 on: January 29, 2021, 06:07:45 AM »

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Seattle schools teach K-5 students to pick gender, disrupt nuclear family
« Reply #476 on: February 04, 2021, 08:15:29 AM »
Do we even call this education?  TAKE BACK OUR KIDS.

Seattle schools teach K-5 students to pick gender, disrupt nuclear family

This week, Seattle Public Schools (and other area schools) are teaching students in kindergarten to pick their gender, combat a so-called hetero-patriarchal society, and disrupt the nuclear family structure. The lessons are part of the Black Lives Matter at School movement.

The radical, political agendas on gender identity and the family structure have some parents livid. These topics are not age appropriate

https://mynorthwest.com/2533338/rantz-seattle-schools-kindergartner-pick-gender-blm/
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Yes, part of the published "Black Lives Matter" movement is to disrupt the traditional family.  Now it's in the K-5 curriculum.

If you believe in old fashioned things like FAMILY, you are losing.

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"Dr." (in name only) J Biden
« Reply #477 on: February 09, 2021, 04:32:59 PM »
advocates for free tuition at community colleges:

https://www.newsmax.com/us/jill-biden/2021/02/09/id/1009344/

but costs already are not much:

https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-community-college

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Red state kids three times as likely to be in school as blue state kids
« Reply #478 on: February 11, 2021, 10:55:02 AM »

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At some point the warning this is bad for the kids becomes the reality, this was bad for the kids.

Maybe 'we' can target blue state kids with a pro freedom and liberty argument. The Leftist government school cabal is losing their grip.

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Woke revolution looms for [your] schools
« Reply #479 on: February 14, 2021, 09:43:30 AM »
https://www.startribune.com/woke-revolution-looms-for-minnesota-schools/600020000/?refresh=true

Woke revolution looms for Minnesota schools

[The article covers Minnesota, but the movement is national, and then some.]

From the article:
"parents, are you ready for the coming "woke" invasion of your child's public school?

By 2022, as your first-grader is learning that two plus two is four, the Minnesota Department of Education intends to mandate that she also learn to recognize "stereotypes," "biased speech," and "injustice at the institutional or systemic level."

Your middle schooler will be drilled in how his identity is a function of his skin color.

Your high schooler will be required to explain how Europeans invented "whiteness" and that America's 19th-century westward expansion was the shameful product of "whiteness, Christianity and capitalism."
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By high school, students must "explain" — parrot back is more like it — "the social construction of race" and "assess how social policies and economic forces offer privilege or systematic oppressions for racial/ethnic groups."

Katherine Kersten writes for Center for the American Experiment.  Donate here:
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[Doug]  We can't concede the state governments, the departments of education and the local school board to the Leftist "woke" crowd.  Stand up and start stopping them.  "Fight like Hell."  [Can I say that here?]


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Re: Education
« Reply #480 on: February 14, 2021, 10:46:11 AM »
"Fight like Hell."  [Can I say that here?]

Only if you become a Democrat

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math teaching is racist
« Reply #481 on: February 16, 2021, 06:48:53 AM »
if one teaches that 2+ 6 equals 8. one is a white supremacist

and black children should not be tested on their answer as that is also racist:

https://www.breitbart.com/education/2021/02/16/oregon-educators-making-math-students-show-their-work-is-white-supremacy/

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Re: Education
« Reply #482 on: March 18, 2021, 08:21:53 PM »
Get these people away from our children.  Putting all whites [or blacks or any other group based on skin color] together in a box and stereotyped is racist.

Shame on them.

https://www.city-journal.org/critical-race-theory-in-wake-county-nc-schools






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Rorschach test in school
« Reply #488 on: March 31, 2021, 01:31:32 PM »
but instead of accepting the answer from the student
the teacher projects his on racial bias:


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/03/31/teacher-bullies-student-for-his-colorblind-attitude-towards-race-n1436539

Well I see a girl with red hair and a girl with black hair

 so does that mean I am racist?

student was being smart and tried to be neutral
   "I see a girl"

this should be the desired answer
  but the racist teacher tried to push his own agenda into this .

sickening
enough already

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Re: Education
« Reply #491 on: April 16, 2021, 08:00:54 AM »
Just like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers.

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Re: Education
« Reply #492 on: April 16, 2021, 08:54:59 AM »
Just like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers.

Makes sense, but I can't imagine what protection for not working is in a California teacher's contract.  It should say, if you want this kind of pay, retirement, benefits for classroom teaching, you will have to - teach, which might reasonably include being in the same room as - children.

I wonder what the Soviet leaders thought when they saw the new US President stand up to a powerful public employee union.

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WSJ: School Choice in Indiana (federalism at work)
« Reply #493 on: April 23, 2021, 03:20:12 AM »

Ten years ago in these columns, we hailed Indiana for its leadership in establishing one of America’s most ambitious school voucher programs. On Thursday the Indiana Legislature built on that achievement by approving a budget that will take the program to 48,000 students a year from about 37,000.

The choice provisions in the budget have three main components. The first would lift the income cap for eligibility to $145,000 a year from $96,000. This would make as much as 90% of the population eligible for the program. The bill would also increase the voucher amount to 90% of tuition support levels, and eliminate the existing tiered system.

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Amid Covid, a Breakthrough for School Choice?


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Another provision would establish Education Savings Accounts for children with special needs. The budget also increases the per student grants for charter schools to $1,000 next year and $1,250 in the second year from $750 today. All this became possible when lawmakers learned last week that increased tax revenue meant they had more than $2 billion to work with than they’d previously thought.

The teachers unions are unhappy. Their beef is that money to expand choice is taken from traditional public schools. And this year they lobbied local school boards to pass resolutions opposed to school choice.



But that common union line about choice robbing public schools isn’t true. Though the final breakdown of the $1.9 billion in extra education spending won’t be known until after parents have made their choices for their children, the nonpartisan Legislative Services Agency does a projection of how the money will be distributed based on anticipated student enrollment. According to this projection, 92% of Indiana students will be in traditional public schools, and 93% of all education funding will go to these schools.

This is before the $3 billion in federal funding that Indiana will receive from the latest Covid spending bill, almost all of which will go to the public schools. The budget further covers the $600 million gap needed to make teacher pay in the state competitive, as identified by the Next Level Teacher Compensation Commission last year.

Since 2011, when Indiana pushed through its first voucher plan, more than a quarter-million Hoosier students have benefited. In an interview with Today’s Catholic, former Gov. Mitch Daniels explains the moral logic of choice this way: “Providing poor and minority families the same choice of schools that their wealthier neighbors enjoy is the purest example of ‘social justice’ in our society today.”

The good news is that Republicans such as Todd Huston and Rep. Bob Behning in the state House and Rodric Bray, Brian Buchanan and Jeff Raatz in the Senate have stepped up to reject the idea that unions should have a monopoly over K-12 education dollars. Once again Hoosiers are leading the way in establishing an education system that gives parents and children a choice.

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Virginia to eliminate accelerated math courses
« Reply #494 on: April 23, 2021, 08:58:30 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses-equity
Virginia moving to eliminate all accelerated math courses before 11th grade as part of equity-focused plan
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Are you kidding.  This was probably the only thing they did right in my early schooling.  I had math aptitude but really didn't learn to read and write until way after college.  During those crucial school years when I was doing the minimum to get by, I still went to a math class that featured the best of the math teachers and put me in the room 1 hour a day with the top students.  Just being there and doing the required work opened doors for years to come.  Try to name a subject or career where math is not a key building block.

One part of it was social, your friends in a big school tend to include people who go to the same class with you year after year, and those kids tend to be going places, more likely to go to college, into good professions, less likely to end up as bums, losers, failures. 

Another big part of it is to deal with the boredom that comes with good students being underchallenged.  Most time in most lectures, it seems, is spent having someone who doesn't interest you tell you either things you already know or things you think you don't want to know.  The higher the student, the more bored they are with ordinary classes.  I remember this especially in Business school.  They would teach mundane concepts endlessly to the C level student, and write the test questions to the A level and beyond.  You had to fight through hours of monotony to find the 3 or 4 things needed to rise from B or C to the goal of getting the lowest possible A (we didn't have + or - in college).  Anyway, having more math training coming in than most business students made getting high grades in college possible, which opened doors and options for life. 

The idea this can all be individualized instead of grouping people of like abilities into a classroom setting is intriguing.  If the teaching lobby believes videos and interactive computer work can replace old fashioned classroom teaching, that's great, let's fire the teachers.

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Re: Virginia to eliminate accelerated math courses
« Reply #495 on: April 23, 2021, 09:33:49 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

It's supposed to be a cautionary tale, not an objective.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses-equity
Virginia moving to eliminate all accelerated math courses before 11th grade as part of equity-focused plan
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Are you kidding.  This was probably the only thing they did right in my early schooling.  I had math aptitude but really didn't learn to read and write until way after college.  During those crucial school years when I was doing the minimum to get by, I still went to a math class that featured the best of the math teachers and put me in the room 1 hour a day with the top students.  Just being there and doing the required work opened doors for years to come.  Try to name a subject or career where math is not a key building block.

One part of it was social, your friends in a big school tend to include people who go to the same class with you year after year, and those kids tend to be going places, more likely to go to college, into good professions, less likely to end up as bums, losers, failures. 

Another big part of it is to deal with the boredom that comes with good students being underchallenged.  Most time in most lectures, it seems, is spent having someone who doesn't interest you tell you either things you already know or things you think you don't want to know.  The higher the student, the more bored they are with ordinary classes.  I remember this especially in Business school.  They would teach mundane concepts endlessly to the C level student, and write the test questions to the A level and beyond.  You had to fight through hours of monotony to find the 3 or 4 things needed to rise from B or C to the goal of getting the lowest possible A (we didn't have + or - in college).  Anyway, having more math training coming in than most business students made getting high grades in college possible, which opened doors and options for life. 

The idea this can all be individualized instead of grouping people of like abilities into a classroom setting is intriguing.  If the teaching lobby believes videos and interactive computer work can replace old fashioned classroom teaching, that's great, let's fire the teachers.


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Three Bad Ideas
« Reply #498 on: May 13, 2021, 04:37:07 AM »
Haven't watched this yet but it seems promising:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b3Ob4CK4Xs