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Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism, crony capitalism, SJW:
« Reply #650 on: February 13, 2017, 04:57:38 AM »
****In a previous post on Suicidalism, I identified some of the most important of the Soviet Union’s memetic weapons. Here is that list again:

    There is no truth, only competing agendas.
    All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.
    There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.
    The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.
    Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.
    The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
    For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
    When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.****

The ironic thing is the Left's new insistence that Russia is to be made a villain not because they believe the Soviet propaganda with hook line and sinker but because they are pissed off that Russians may have actually attempted to get hep their girl defeated.  And NOT because of the true nature of Russian propaganda which as per above article foments the anti American LEFT wing ideology.  Just the opposite of what they claim.




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Was Hitler Socialist?
« Reply #652 on: March 18, 2017, 11:01:01 PM »

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Academia Is Our Enemy So We Should Help It Commit Suicide
« Reply #655 on: April 17, 2017, 12:46:37 PM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/04/13/academia-is-our-enemy-so-we-should-help-it-commit-suicide-n2312479

Academia Is Our Enemy So We Should Help It Commit Suicide
Kurt  Schlichter  |Posted: Apr 13, 2017 12:01 AM 

If Animal House were to be rebooted today, Bluto – who would probably be updated into a differently–abled trans being of heft – might ask, “See if you can guess what am I now?” before expelling a whole mass of pus-like root vegetable on the WASPrivileged villains and announcing, “I’m a university – get it?”

At least popping a zit gets rid of the infection and promotes healing. But today, the higher education racket festers on the rear end of our culture, a painful, useless carbuncle of intellectual fraud, moral bankruptcy, and pernicious liberal fascism that impoverishes the young while it subsidizes a bunch of old pinkos who can’t hack it at Real World U.

At least literal boils don’t diss you while demanding you give them free money. We’re expected to shut up and write checks while the universitools ruin our culture. Luckily, due to the happy coincidence of a conservative federal government, technological advances, and the college industrial complex’s inexplicable death wish, we normals now have a chance to lance the boil that is 21st Century academia.

The purpose of universities long ago stopped being education, yet Big Edu and its liberal supporters keep pushing the lie that the only way to prepare young Americans for the future is to tie an anchor around their necks. America’s student loan debt now totals a staggering $1.4 trillion carried by 44 million Americans, and 2016 grads are weighed down with an average $37,712 each. And what do they get for it? Nothing but four years older and considerably dumber. Record numbers are using their degrees in Papuan Feminist Literature and Genderfluid Break Dance Therapy as gateway credentials into the exciting field of brewing caffeinated beverages for grown-ups who didn’t still live on the futon in their mom’s spare bedroom at age 33.

A house, a family, and a future that involves either dignity or success – these are things walking out into society with a meaningless piece of paper and nearly forty grand in debt prevent. But hey – the important thing is that we continue to subsidize one of the Democrats’ key constituencies and its prime breeding ground for the social dysfunction and soft-handed tyranny that are the hallmarks of progressivism. Too bad if it ruins the lives of the young suckers whose parents pushed them onto the conveyor belt that annually pumps out another crop of credentialed indentured servants.

But even sucking the lifeblood out of Millennials is not enough to feed the greedy academic beast. The bright new idea – one embraced by that commie from New England, that other commie from New England who tricked her college into thinking she was an Indian, and that firewater aficionado who lost the election – is “free college.” Let’s set aside the fact that community college exists to give everyone the opportunity to get some higher education; today, it’s job is to occupy high school students for a few extra years by intermittently teaching them the things the incompetence of unionized teachers ensured they didn’t learn in public high schools. The “free college” idea offers those of us who have already paid for our own education the opportunity to pony up for someone else’s. As the grade-inflated bastions of higher learning say to pretty much anyone who hands them a check and keeps his mouth shut about liking America, “Pass.”


If traditional colleges performed some meaningful function that only they could perform, then there might be a rationale for them in the 21st Century. But there’s not. What do four-year colleges do today?

Well, they cater to weenies who feel “unsafe” that Mike Pence is speaking to their graduates. Seventy-some years ago, young people that age were feeling unsafe because the Wehrmacht was trying to kill them on Omaha Beach.

At our nation’s most prestigious university, students are emotionally incapacitated by the fact that other Americans elected someone they dislike. Their reaction is to form a “resistance” that they refer to as “Dumbledore’s Army.” What a bunch of wand-stroking. But there is one good thing about this mortifying childishness – perhaps now, when you meet a grad, he, she, or xe will hesitate for a couple minutes before telling you it went to Harvard.

And in their quest to ensure their students’ perpetual unemployment, colleges are now teaching that punctuality is a social construct. Somewhere, a Starbucks manager is going to hear from Kaden the Barista that, “I like, totally couldn’t get here for my shift on time because, like intersectionality of my experience as a person of Scandinavianism and stuff. I feel unsafe because of your racist vikingaphobia and tardiness-shaming.”


Academia is pricing itself out of reach even as the antics of its inhabitants annoy and provoke those of us whose taxes already pick up a big chunk of the bill even without the “free college” okie-doke. This is where the fortuitous coincidence of two phenomena collide to give us an opportunity to fix our problem. We’re woke to the scam, and we now have a federal government dominated by conservatives that can use the law and the power of the purse to tame the beast. As the same time, technology that will allow no-frills learning is improving every day. What we must do is pass popular laws that make colleges accountable to taxpayers and students, including by shifting some of the student loan risk onto them. We must also protect that whole wacky freedom thing – colleges can always give up all federal funds if they, say, want to force college Christian clubs to accept atheist members. And yeah – that’s a thing.


At the same time, we can use the law to help facilitate the transition away from the current centralized campus with a bloated administration and faculty/four-year booze cruise model. Laws can mandate and regularize credentialing for technology-based learning to help make non-traditional programs a viable and accepted alternative to a traditional degree. Right now, college is less about learning than about creating a cultural signifier – someone who went to college is “one of us.” But that snobby luxury can’t endure when tuition becomes unaffordable for everyone but ultra-rich folks willing to pony up for their spawn’s sojourn on campus. And it’s unnecessary. To the extent college teaches hard skills – I learned how to beer bong like a boss – students can go on-line at a fraction of the cost to get the specific education they need, without spending time and money on nonsense they don’t. Oppression Studies requirements, I’m looking at you.

The quarter million dollar academic vacation model is economically unsustainable and poisonous to our culture. The world of Animal House was a lot more fun when it didn’t mean preemptive bankruptcy for its graduates and the fostering of a tyrannical training ground for future libfascists. It’s time to get all Bluto on the obsolete boil that is academia; time to give it a squeeze.

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Please post on the Education thread and delete here.

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Icelandic Lefty poisons Robert Spencer
« Reply #657 on: May 16, 2017, 02:27:52 PM »
ICELANDIC LEFTIST POISONS ROBERT SPENCER
A new phase in the Left’s campaign of demonizing those whom it hates.
May 16, 2017
 
Robert Spencer
 

 
Last Thursday, I gave a lecture on the jihad threat at the Grand Hotel in Reykjavik, Iceland. Shortly thereafter, a young Icelandic Leftist registered his disapproval of what I said by poisoning me.

It happened after the event, when my security chief, the organizers of the event, and Jihad Watch writer Christine Williams, who had also been invited to speak, went with me to a local restaurant to celebrate the success of the evening.

At this crowded Reykjavik establishment, I was quickly recognized. A young Icelander called me by name, shook my hand, and said he was a big fan. Shortly after that, another citizen of that famously genteel and courteous land also called me by name, shook my hand, and said “F**k you.”

We took that marvelous Icelandic greeting as a cue to leave. But the damage had already been done. About fifteen minutes later, when I got back in my hotel room, I began to feel numbness in my face, hands, and feet. I began trembling and vomiting. My heart was racing dangerously. I spent the night in a Reykjavik hospital.

What had happened quickly became clear, and was soon confirmed by a hospital test: one of these local Icelanders who had approached me (probably the one who said he was a big fan, as he was much closer to me than the “F**k you” guy) had dropped drugs into my drink. I wasn’t and am not on any other medication, and so there wasn’t any other explanation of how these things had gotten into my bloodstream.

For several days thereafter I was ill, but I did get to Reykjavik’s police station and gave them a bigger case than they have seen in good awhile. The police official with whom I spoke took immediate steps to identify and locate the principal suspects and obtain the restaurant’s surveillance video.

Iceland is a small country. Everyone knows everyone else. And so as it happened, I was quickly able to discover the identity, phone number, and Facebook page of the primary suspect, the young man who claimed he was a “big fan.” I don’t intend to call him.  Icelandic police will be contacting him soon enough, if they haven’t done so already.

However, I did look at his Facebook page, and as I expected, I saw nothing that might indicate that he really was a “big fan” of my work, or that he held any views out of the mainstream -- which is, courtesy of Iceland’s political and media elites, dominated entirely by the Left.

The most likely scenario is that this young man, or whoever drugged me, heard that a notorious “racist” was coming to Reykjavik, by chance saw me in the restaurant, and decided to teach me a lesson with some of the illegal drugs that are as plentiful in Reykjavik as they are anywhere else.

I should have seen it coming. After all, my visit had triggered a firestorm of abuse in the Icelandic press, all based on American Leftist talking points. Every story about my visit had the same elements: the notice that the SPLC claims that I purvey “hate speech,” which is a subjective judgment used to shut down dissent from the establishment line; the fact that I am banned from Britain, with no mention of the key detail that I was banned for saying that Islam has doctrines of violence (which is like being banned for saying water is wet) and for the crime of supporting Israel; and the false claim that I incited the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik to kill (in reality, I’m no more responsible for Breivik’s murders than the Beatles are for Charles Manson’s). After the event, one article even featured a big photo of Breivik, but quoted nary a thing I said that evening.

Not a single Icelandic media outlet that ran a story about my coming or about the event itself contacted me for comment, much less for rebuttal to the charges they made against me. One TV station did air an interview with me in which the interviewer refused to believe that I did not feel responsible for the Breivik murders, and asked me about them again and again.

After the event, articles in the Icelandic press included quotes from the 50 protesters, but none included even a single quotation or description of anything we had actually said. None quoted any of the 500 brave Icelanders who braved the hatred of the politically correct elites to come to the Grand Hotel to hear me and Ms. Williams – a staggeringly large number in a country of 300,000 people.

It’s clear: jihad and Islamization are not subjects that Icelandic politicians and media opinion-makers want Icelanders to discuss.

That’s all the more reason why it must be discussed.

But meanwhile, I learned my lesson. The lesson I learned was that media demonization of those who dissent from the Leftist line is direct incitement to violence. By portraying me and others who raise legitimate questions about jihad terror and Sharia oppression as racist, bigoted Islamophobes, without allowing us a fair hearing, the media in Iceland and elsewhere in the West is actively endangering those who dare to dissent. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Center for American Progress and the rest who devote so much money, time and attention to demonizing “Islamophobes” are painting huge targets on our backs.

Of course, they think they’re doing something noble. Not only does the Left fill those whom it brainwashes with hate, but it does so while portraying its enemies as the hatemongers, such that violent Leftists such as the young man who drugged me feel righteous even as they victimize and brutalize conservatives.

There is no doubt about it: I’m certain that whoever poisoned me in Iceland went away feeling happy over what he had done. If he told anyone what he did, I’m sure he was hailed as a hero. I’m also aware that many who read this will be thrilled at the fact that I became seriously ill. That in itself is a sign of how degenerate and evil the Left has become.

All over the West, as Leftist students riot and physically menace conservative speakers and Leftist spokesmen indulge in the most hysterical rhetoric to defame their foes, politicians cower in fear and decline to discuss these issues, only ensuring that the problems I identified when I spoke in Reykjavik will continue to grow in Iceland and elsewhere.

As they were rising to power in Germany, the Nazis indoctrinated their young followers with the same message: those who oppose us are evil. Those who brutalize them are doing a great thing. The Left’s demonization of its opponents today will lead to exactly the same thing. It already has for me, in beautiful Reykjavik.
Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book is The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran. Follow him on Twitter here. Like him on Facebook here.

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Socialism, Communism, requires coercion
« Reply #661 on: November 10, 2017, 10:54:32 AM »
As mentioned in other threads, 'socialism' requires coercion as a necessary feature because being equal runs against the nature of things.  It turns out this is quantifiable by economists (and morticians).  The typical level of mass murder of citizens requires to enforce this unnatural state of things is to kill about 6% of your citizens, not counting deaths in war.  Killing 6% seems to be the ratio needed to get the other 94% in line.

http://caseymulligan.blogspot.com/2017/11/does-communism-have-universal-constant.html



The counts are expressed as a percentage of population. 6% is a typical result.

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some thoughts
« Reply #662 on: November 10, 2017, 03:47:36 PM »
Lets see, in the former Soviet Union those in the Party  admired work but just didn't pay anyone.  They just made everyone work hard for the State or Communist Party by the threat or use of force.

Now Putin allows some individuals to do well as long as he gets his piece of the action with insider dealing but also probably with implied threat of force or of  confiscation.

In the US progressives operate to keep power by using laws to confiscate wealth to bribe just enough of the  voters to keep themselves power .
There are some entities that learn how to profit and promote this.  (the elites etc)

In both cases we are forced to hear propaganda about how it is for our OWN good.

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Re: Socialism, Communism, requires coercion
« Reply #663 on: July 20, 2018, 07:43:18 AM »
From the Left thread:
ccp: "In the make believe delusional world of Leftism."

Their arguments only work with deceit and delusion.

Your wisdom reminds me of a question I wanted to ask, what is the difference, seriously, between communism and socialism?

By connotation, socialism is the benevolent, make believe implementation where communism is the real world, brutal, oppressive version. But in fact they are identical. Socialism goes against all of human nature and therefore requires coercion, oppression and force for its implementation. See Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and all other real world examples.

I would like to hear a real distinction.  My view: Socialism and Leftism all equal Communism. If you don't like how that sounds or what that means, don't vote for it.



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"  My view: Socialism and Leftism all equal Communism  "

In fulfilling the first Vlads prophecy when he returned in triumph to Russia after returning through Finland and jumped on top of an armored vehicle and screamed the words heard loud and clear around the world "long live the *world wide " [not just Russian] "communist revolution!!!"

the new Lefitsts of gaining more and more momentum controlling the Democrats , the media , the academies are really about global revolution - like Obama and the Soros types -  one world wide government with centralized socialism at its core and with them leading it.

We on our side are just trying to keep capitalism freedom and what has been the most successful government formula active keep getting called fascists.

Why they are far more like fascism the we are but of course they learned their propaganda techniques well

Just some food for thought from an average Joe .


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liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism
« Reply #667 on: September 14, 2018, 07:26:56 AM »
"it’s almost as though socialism were nothing more than a scam to trick the people into thinking they could get something for nothing, when actually it enriches the politically well-connected elite at their expense."  - Stephen Green at Instapundit commenting on Venezuela

Yes it is.


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liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism, Jonestown
« Reply #669 on: September 28, 2018, 06:49:54 PM »
40 years after Jonestown on ABC. He was selling Lenin, Marx, Mao, anti-capitalism. The leader was the only one getting fat while the others lacked enough food. They killed and poisoned people that didn't agree with him. What part of this is different than Chavezuela that followed?  Not much.

Coercion is a feature not a bug of collectivism.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/40-years-jonestown-massacre-jim-jones-surviving-sons/story?id=57997006
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Fascism, progressivism, socialism, CRONY GOVERNMENTISM, Elon Musk
« Reply #674 on: December 14, 2018, 07:41:59 AM »
I have certain respect for Elon Musk as an amazing innovator and driving force.

Yesterday I was reading a long piece in Wired about his out of control personality:
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/

Brilliant people do not behave like ordinary people.  Topic for another day.  Here I wanted to put forth this piece that ties Elon Musk's enterprises to government subsidy dollars:
https://mises.org/wire/elon-muskss-taxpayer-funded-gravy-train?fbclid=IwAR0JbjwIkY0NyArD78T6lkQ4lXhn46f0AOK-tscP4Yt-IbfUmgl4KZVXdDo

If these ideas are so great, why do they always need the help of our great (sarc) central planners?

Tesla spends $1 million annually on Washington lobbyists. Its cars are financed by over $280 million in federal tax incentives, including a $7,500 federal tax break and millions more in state rebates and development fees. SpaceX has also received over $5 billion in government support.

Electric cars are not free of emissions; the emissions are back at the power plant, not to mention the power loss on the transmission lines. 

Upgrade the damn grid before we subsidize everything that plugs into it!

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FDR and history
« Reply #675 on: January 13, 2019, 07:07:56 PM »


Brilliant!

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Lucy and Charlie Brown: This time will be different
« Reply #676 on: January 13, 2019, 07:50:29 PM »
https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/01/IMG_9190.jpg?w=960&ssl=1\
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/the-week-in-pictures-government-shutdown-edition.php

This doesn't fit the page well enough to post the cartoon here. Lucy is holding the football for Charlie Brown saying, "I promise; This time socialism will work!"
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Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism, "We can take that."
« Reply #677 on: January 19, 2019, 07:47:32 AM »
This is what they are teaching in our schools.

Chicago Teachers Union members lodged their first demands for a new contract Tuesday—including pay hikes and a host of topics state law bars the labor group from striking over—months before negotiations will likely accelerate with a new administration. . . . “Where will the money come from? Rich people,” CTU Vice President Stacy Davis Gates said. . . . “We have a governor who has committed to legalizing recreational marijuana and putting a tax on it, we can take that as well,” Davis Gates said. “They are also talking about sports betting. We can take that. They’re talking about opening a new casino here in the city of Chicago. We can take that.”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-teachers-union-contract-demands-20190115-story.html?mod=article_inline

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Doug pointed out,

. “Where will the money come from? Rich people,” CTU Vice President Stacy Davis Gates said. . . . “We have a governor who has committed to legalizing recreational marijuana and putting a tax on it, we can take that as well,” Davis Gates said. “They are also talking about sports betting. We can take that. They’re talking about opening a new casino here in the city of Chicago. We can take that.”


That is exactly what my Right leaning teacher sister taught me when I asked her where do the lib teachers and their unions think the money is going to come from to pay for their entitlements.  She said it is always "the rich"

CTU VP Gates left out prostitution.  Make that legal and then the can tax and "take that".

Always class envy. 

As though people who are successful whether they make 10 million per yr or not owe the teachers anything........


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Bret Stephens, Venezuela socialism failure
« Reply #679 on: January 26, 2019, 08:26:44 PM »
I would like to put different excerpts of this in different threads.

Never Trumper Bret Stephens at the NY TIMES gets this right.  I can't wait to see their subscribers' comments on it.

https://outline.com/xw2rgc
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The Swedish example
« Reply #680 on: January 26, 2019, 10:40:04 PM »

How Sweden Overcame Socialism
It’s a model for the U.S., but the lesson isn’t what Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks it is.
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By Jesús Fernández-Villaverde and
Lee E. Ohanian
Jan. 9, 2019 7:06 p.m. ET
Currency notes from Sweden's central bank.
Currency notes from Sweden's central bank. Photo: Johan Jeppsson / Ibl Bildbyr/Zuma Press

Nearly half of millennials say they prefer socialism to capitalism, but what do they mean? “My policies most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told “60 Minutes.” Yet Sweden’s experiment with socialist policies was disastrous, and its economic success in recent decades is a result of market-based reforms.

Until the mid-20th century, Sweden pursued highly competitive market-based policies. By 1970 Sweden achieved the world’s fourth-highest per capita income. Then increasingly radical Social Democratic governments raised taxes, spending and regulation much more than any other Western European country. Economic performance sputtered. By the early 1990s, Sweden’s per capita income ranking had dropped to 14th. Economic growth from 1970 to the early 1990s was roughly 1 percentage point lower than in Europe and 2 points lower than in the U.S.

Before its socialist experiment, Sweden had a smaller government sector than the U.S. By the early 1990s, government spending and transfer payments ballooned to 70% of gross domestic product, and debt had increased to 80% of GDP. Between 1966 and 1974, Sweden lost some 400,000 private jobs—proportionate to 16.7 million in today’s U.S.

In 1991 a market-oriented government came to power and undertook far-reaching reforms. Policy makers have privatized parts of the health-care system, introduced for-profit schools along with school vouchers, and reduced welfare benefits. Since 1997, government ministries that propose new spending plans have been required to find offsetting cuts in their budgets. As a result, public debt has declined from 80% of GDP in the early 1990s to 41%.

To increase incentives to work, Sweden reduced unemployment benefits and introduced an earned-income tax credit in 2007. The electricity and transportation industries were deregulated in the 1990s, and even the Swedish postal system was opened up to competition in 1993. The corporate tax rate was cut from its 2009 level of 28% to 22% today, and is scheduled to decline to 20.4% in 2021.

This policy mix has earned Sweden a Heritage Foundation ranking as the 15th freest economy in the world. The U.S. is 18th. And it’s paid off. Since 1995, Swedish economic growth has exceeded that of its European Union peers by about 1 point a year. Sweden is now richer than all of the major EU countries and is within 15% of U.S. per capita GDP. While Sweden still has a larger government than the U.S., its tax code is flatter. The progressivity of the U.S. tax code distorts incentives. These distortions would become even larger under the tax-increase proposals of democratic socialists like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

There is an example for the U.S. here, but the lesson isn’t what Ms. Ocasio-Cortez thinks. Command-and-control economic policies undermined Sweden’s prosperity, and they would do the same to America’s.

Mr. Fernández-Villaverde is a professor of economics at the University of Pennsylvania. Mr. Ohanian is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and professor of economics at UCLA.




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Re: Swedish ex-PM calls out Sanders
« Reply #684 on: March 07, 2019, 06:10:33 AM »
https://mises.org/power-market/swedish-ex-prime-minister-rebukes-bernie-socialism-only-destroys?fbclid=IwAR2MMZob19mSBIMEG65ZhupsHNXuK-3k2WaqIbD8sm3OPXyycMhS7QqzTfk#.XH2sNMQtPLQ.facebook

The economic argument of our time goes something like this:

The conservative free market side notes that Venezuela implemented all the policies that the Left wants to do here, nationalized important industries, squeezed the money away from the capitalists, redirected to the social programs and they ended up broke and starving.  The 'democratic' socialists here say they want to do socialism the good way.  Venezuela, Cuba and the Soviet Union did it wrong.  The Left here wants to do socialism the way of the Scandinavians. This article (Crafty's link) makes clear that is wrong.  These Scandinavian countries are not socialist.  They did not implement the anti-market, anti-capitalist policies proposed by the American Left.  Te article quotes a former Prime Minister of Sweden and current Prime Minister of Denmark who both strongly correct people like Bernie Sanders.

I would add some other points.

1.  Scandinavians would have been lost their countries twice in the last century without outside (American) help to defeat the Nazis and keep out the Soviets.  We don't have someone else to pay for our national security.

2.  The two largest industries in Norway are oil and natural gas comprising 17% of GDP.  Their current prosperity is gone under American socialist "Green New Deal".

3.  These are historically homogenous societies, and "Scandinavian work ethic" means everyone who can work works.  No one takes a penny of government support unless absolutely needed, and not for a moment longer than needed.  That is changing there and not true here.  The Left is openly selling Americans that someone else via government coercion will pay for your free stuff and expanded social programs, exactly as promised in Venezuela.

4.  Scandinavia did not build their wealth with socialism.  Scandinavia went from poor to rich during times of free markets and small government.  These are provable, historical facts.  It is great to see people like former Prime Minister Carl Bildt point out that Sweden is not a socialist country. Bildt rescued Sweden from stagnation and decline by cutting taxes on business and capital, exactly the opposite of the anti-capitalist policies proposed by AOC, Sanders, Harris.

These countries are not socialist and they are not growing faster or solving their problems better than in the US.
https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/now-even-swedes-are-questioning-the-welfare-state
https://www.ft.com/content/3b9566e4-941a-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee64e
https://slate.com/business/2013/11/swedens-billionaires-they-have-more-per-capita-than-the-united-states.html

Denmark from the article:
As explained by Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen in 2015, countries like his Denmark “[are] far from [socialist planned economies].”  “Denmark is a market economy.”

See Heritage country rankings for economic freedom.  The US ranks 12th, right with Denmark 14, Sweden 18, Norway 24, not with Cuba 178 and Venezuela 179th in economic freedom.
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Why do we want to move down the list toward poverty and disaster when we know exactly how to move up toward greater prosperity?  Venezuela reminds us that it is not just possible but certain to move downward economically when you abandon the principles and policies that bring prosperity.  Without a healthy capital system, Venezuela can't even pump oil much less foster a vibrant entrepreneurial economy.  The American Left recklessly denies that kind of failure can happen here and most conservatives are speechless to counter that wrongful ignorance.
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Socialism and bread
« Reply #685 on: March 07, 2019, 08:59:39 AM »
In socialism, people wait in store lines for bread.

In freedom, bread waits in stores for people.




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from Michael Rieger's piece posted in CD post above
« Reply #689 on: April 19, 2019, 06:04:16 PM »
*****The wide variance between utopian socialism, communism, national socialism, and democratic socialism makes it remarkably easy for members of each ideology to wag their fingers at the others and say, “That wasn’t real socialism.”****

Like the crats saying the socialism in Venezuela is not like what we plan here.  They all claim they will do it better ; do it "right" .



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Discovered previously in these threads, coercion it's a feature, not a bug, of socialism.  Equality it's not the natural state of things. To move against the natural state of things requires force, the force of the state in this case.

Listen carefully to the left today. They are more and more open about coercion in their tactics toward what they call socialism. cf. Green New Deal.

Socialism implemented and enforced by the power of the state is Communism.

It is time to call them out on this. They are not proposing pure, Democratic socialism as they say. They are calling for communism, nothing short of a strict set of rules enforced by an all powerful central government.

Rob Peter to pay Paul with only Paul consenting is not consensual government.  At best it is tyranny by the majority.

DoLucy holding the football for Charlie Brown is the perfect illustration for pure Democratic socialism that they promise. This time we will get it right even though every other time that was not true, because it can't be true.
https://youtu.be/XWGuzwj4DSs

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Re: Fascism, socialism and coercion continued
« Reply #692 on: June 14, 2019, 06:51:06 AM »
People here get it but this message needs to be spread much more persuasively. Socialism doesn't happen without compulsion, the taking away of people's basic liberties.

Remember Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown to kick. She has pulled it away the last six or eight times and he has fallen on his back trying to kick it but she promises that this time will be the good one, just like the peaceful and successful implementation of socialism.

Equal abilities, equal efforts, and equal results, these are not descriptors of the real world. To move away from the natural state of things requires compulsion. To get there requires lowering everyone to the lowest common denominator. To get there you denounce the rich for their economic power but need a different class of power. That class of power becomes ruthless but also becomes the new rich, so you never get there. When will we ever learn?
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Kevin Williamson calls socialism “solidarity that is enforced at gunpoint, if necessary.”

British novelist Kingsley Amis, who was a young Marxist before he became a supporter of Margaret Thatcher and friend of the Adam Smith Institute, said that “if socigalism is not about compulsion, it is about nothing.”

The Adam Smith Institute itself reminds us that “whenever socialism has been tried it has involved compulsion, as it attempts to make people behave in ways they would not freely choose to do.

In the “Dostoevsky Encyclopedia,” author Kenneth Lantz explained that “lacking any spiritual basis for human brotherhood, the socialists must resort to compulsion to establish it.”

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul once asked if violence was inherent to socialism, to which he responded: “I think the answer is absolutely yes.”

And, finally, legendary economist Milton Friedman wraps up our argument.

“The essential notion of a socialist society is fundamentally force,” said Friedman. “If the government is the master, you ultimately have to order people what to do.”

America wasn’t built on coercive government. It was conceived and founded on liberty, and opportunity created by freedom, not artificially manufactured by the state. It has worked far better than any system implemented by man.

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/06/14/question-for-bernie-what-happens-to-those-who-dont-want-to-join-your-commune/ - - -
Look around the world and look through history , Coercive Socialism is not a better system.

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HK protesters work to avoid the surveillance state
« Reply #693 on: June 16, 2019, 02:17:15 PM »
https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/ong-Kong-s-protesters-find-ways-to-outwit-the-14000211.php

Hong Kong's protesters find ways to outwit the surveillance state
Shibani Mahtani, The Washington Post Published 6:13 pm CDT, Saturday, June 15, 2019
 
 
 
 
 
 
HONG KONG - The moment the 25-year-old protester got home from demonstrations that turned violent - tear gas still stinging her eyes - she knew what she had to do: delete all of her Chinese phone apps.

WeChat was gone. So was Alipay and the shopping app Taobao. She then installed a virtual private network on her smartphone to use with the secure messaging app Telegram in an attempt to stay hidden from cyber-monitors.


"I'm just doing anything" to stay ahead of police surveillance and hide her identity, said the protester. She asked to be referred only by her first name, Alexa, to avoid drawing the attention of authorities amid the most serious groundswell against Chinese-directed rule in Hong Kong since 2014.

Protests that expanded over the past week against a bill allowing extraditions to mainland China were marked by something unprecedented: A coordinated effort by demonstrators to leave no trace for authorities and their enhanced tracking systems.

Protesters used only secure digital messaging apps such as Telegram, and otherwise went completely analogue in their movements: buying single ride subway tickets instead of prepaid stored value cards, forgoing credit cards and mobile payments in favor of cash, and taking no selfies or photos of the chaos.

They wore face masks to obscure themselves from CCTVs and in fear of facial recognition software, and bought fresh pay-as-you-go SIM cards.

And, unlike the pro-democracy movement in 2014, the latest demonstrations also have remained intentionally leaderless in another attempt to frustrate police, who have used tear gas and rubber bullets against the crowds.

On Saturday, Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam announced the postponement of the extradition bill, saying she hoped to return peace to the streets of the city. But the measure was not fully withdrawn and Lam still expressed support.

Protesters, meanwhile, have called for another major show of defiance on the streets on Sunday.

Amid the chaos, Hong Kong has offered a picture of what it looks like to stage mass civil disobedience in the age of the surveillance state.

"The Chinese government will do a lot of things to try to monitor their own people," said Bonnie Leung, a leader of the Hong Kong-based Civil Human Rights Front.

Leung cited media coverage of Chinese use of artificial intelligence to track individuals and its social credit score system.

"We believe that could happen to Hong Kong, too," she said.

The core of the protests is over the belief that Beijing - which was handed back control of the former British colony more than 20 years ago - is increasingly stripping Hong Kong of its cherished freedoms and autonomy.

But the identity-masking efforts by the protesters also reflects deep suspicions that lines between China and Hong Kong no longer exist - including close cooperation between Hong Kong police and their mainland counterparts who have among the most advanced and intrusive surveillance systems.

"It is the fundamental reason people are protesting in the first place," said Antony Dapiran, who wrote a book on protest culture in Hong Kong. "They don't trust Beijing, they don't trust their authorities and the legal system, and they don't like the blurring of lines between Beijing and Hong Kong."

For many who had taken to the streets over the past week, the fight was a familiar one.

In 2014, protesters occupied Hong Kong's main arteries for 79 days demanding full universal suffrage in the territory. Prominent student leaders and activists marshaled up support night after night in mini cities that had been set up on Hong Kong's thoroughfares, until they were eventually cleared out by police.

Today, all of the most prominent leaders of that movement - Joshua Wong, only a teenager at the time of the protests, legal scholar Benny Tai and Chan Kin-man, a sociology professor - are in jail.

The masses gathered around government buildings this week were without clear leaders. Demonstrators shared protest tips and security measures with people they had met just hours before to avoid a similar fate. Meetups were primarily planned on Telegram, which became the top trending app on the iPhone app store in Hong Kong in the days leading up to the protest.

"Information on personal safety was passed around on Telegram channels and group chats," said Caden, a 21 year-old Hong Kong student in Indiana who returned home early to participate. When he among estimated 1 million marching on June 7 to begin the protest movement.

On the group groups, Caden received a barrage of advice which included changing your username on Telegram so it sounds nothing like your actual name, changing your phone number associated with app and using SIM cards without a contract.

"We are much more cautious now for sure than in 2014. Back then, it was still kind of rare for the police to arrest people through social media," Caden said, declining to give his full name for fear of retribution. "All of this is definitely new for most people there."

Alexa noticed messages on Facebook, used by an older generation of Hong Kongers, warning people to mask their digital footprints and go cashless.

"People keep telling each other not to take pictures during the protest, and only to take wide shots without people's faces on them," she said.

It marked a huge change in sentiment for her, someone who had been attending peaceful demonstrations in Hong Kong with her family for years.

"We'd always take pictures and upload them to Facebook and so on, it would tell people you are there at the scene," she said. "But by now, everyone [has] equated the bill to cracking down on the Hong Kong legal system. We are all afraid that it won't exist anymore."

Hours before Wednesday's occupation of Hong Kong roads, Hong Kong police arrested Ivan Ip, a coordinator of a Telegram group with thousands of people, in his home. He is currently out on bail.

Telegram also reported a massive cyberattack, which the company said likely originated from China and were timed with the protest.

Samantha Hoffman, a fellow at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's Cyber Center, said data collection methods used in China have specifically been designed to intimidate people from taking part in demonstrations. She described the strategy as "killing the root before the weed can grow."

"It's a form of preemptive security," she said

Still, researchers say it has been difficult to figure out the extent to which Hong Kong Police Force cooperates with the mainland on surveillance technology and tools.

The Hong Kong force says it sends around 150 officials every year for "ideological and practical" training at elite mainland police academies. A larger number also receive regular training in "hand-to-hand combat, interrogation skills, criminal investigation and gun use," according to news releases from the Chinese government.

And when a high speed rail link opened connecting Beijing to Hong Kong, Chinese police were allowed to enforce mainland laws in the rail terminus. The rail link opened last year, marking the first time mainland police were allowed to patrol Hong Kong as part of joint immigration checks.

Maya Wang, a senior China researcher at Human Rights Watch, said there is "very little transparency" about the cooperation between Hong Kong police and mainland authorities.

Wang also noted that Hong Kong is moving ahead with plans for more "smart city" initiatives - with little clarity on which companies would be assisting them in that task.

"People are concerned that their electronic traces can be collected and monitored as the city becomes more digitized," she said. "What about the Chinese companies that are assisting or involved with the collection of data in Hong Kong? Would they be passing that data back?"

Alexa, Caden and other protesters interviewed by The Washington Post say they remain undeterred and will continue to show up at demonstrations. They have masks and goggles prepared, they say, both as a shield against police tactics like pepper spray and also to avoid potential facial recognition or other surveillance software.

"I do not think this is overly cautious. If we read books by George Orwell and we read histories about Communist Parties, of course this is not overly cautious," said Leung of CHRF.

"If I was not some sort of leader or coordinator of the Civil Human Rights Front, I may wear a face mask as well," she added. "I can totally understand why people would want to hide their identities."

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The Washington Post's Timothy McLaughlin in Hong Kong and Lyric Li in Beijing contributed to this report.

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anyone here look like one of the Dem debate moderators
« Reply #694 on: June 28, 2019, 07:27:06 AM »
with bleached white hair:

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/dan-bongino-nice-job-liberals-even-ruined-world-cup/

 :mrgreen:

has she been on MSNBC for an interview yet?

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Fascism, progressivism, socialism, Communism
« Reply #695 on: August 19, 2019, 10:14:55 AM »
Babylon Bee reports:

"The New York Times…prais[ed] the Soviet Union for its unprecedented gender equality at its brutal prison camps. …the Soviets provided forced labor opportunities for people of all races, genders, and orientations, pointing out that while the United States may have won the Cold War and the Space Race, the USSR won the victories that counted: imprisoning all people equally. “They even employed female guards, LGBTQ guards, and guards of color,” the piece read. “From prison guards to prisoners, the Soviets were years and years ahead of the U.S. when it came to equality. …Many people on social media pointed out that gender equality wasn’t really something to be praised when it comes to a totalitarian regime. But the Times simply doubled down, publishing pieces that praised the Soviet Union for.. The wage gap: everybody made almost no money equally…Environmental policy: constant blackouts mean smaller carbon footprint."

Hardly satire when so many points are true.

New board game:



Bernie-opoly:



Babylon Bee again:

"A study performed by researchers at Harvard University found a strong link between supporting the idea of communism and never once having even briefly opened a history book, sources confirmed Tuesday. …“We found that of the people who advocate communism today, over 97% slept all the way through each of their history classes in elementary school, high school, and college,” head researcher Todd Devlin said in a statement accompanying the release of the study’s findings. …The study also found that the majority of modern communists who do happen across a stray piece of information showing the horrors and atrocities of real-life communism are able to quickly rationalize the historical facts away by labeling those examples “not real communism.” "

AOC at BU:


Hat tip Dan Mitchell



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crony governmentism, victims of cronyism subsidies
« Reply #698 on: September 17, 2019, 06:30:36 AM »
It's time to get serious about separation of business and state!

No, stadium subsidies don't pay for themselves. 

The great French economist from the 1800s, Frederic Bastiat, famously explained that good economists are aware that government policies have indirect effects (the “unseen”).  Bad economists, by contrast, only consider direct effects (the “seen”).

Let’s look at the debate over stadium subsidies. Tim Carney of the American Enterprise Institute narrates a video showing how the “unseen” costs of government favoritism are greater than the “seen” benefits.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnJtM4L6lHg
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/

new evidence that cronyism reduces long-term economic growth by discouraging firms’ innovation activities. …The analysis finds that the probability that firms invest in products new to the firm increases from under 1 percent for politically connected firms to over 7 percent for unconnected firms. The results are robust across different innovation measures. Despite innovating less, politically connected firms are more capital intensive, as they face lower marginal cost of capital due to the generous policy privileges they receive, including exclusive access to input subsidies, public procurement contracts, favorable exchange rates, and financing from politically connected banks. …The findings suggest that connected firms out-rival their competitors by lobbying for privileges instead of innovating. In the aggregate, these policy privileges reduce…long-term growth potential by diverting resources away from innovation to the inefficient capital accumulation of a few large, connected firms.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238341

the growing prevalence of cronyism in the United States (ethanol handouts, the Export-Import Bank, protectionism, tax favoritism, bailouts, subsidies, and green energy are just a few examples of how the friends of politicians get unearned wealth).
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/a-very-depressing-chart-on-creeping-cronyism-in-the-american-economy/

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Re: Fascism, liberal and tech fascism, progressivism, socialism, crony capitalism
« Reply #699 on: September 17, 2019, 07:06:19 AM »
" friends of politicians get unearned wealth"

and their relatives, much less them themselves

look at Cao,  Pelosi,  Biden for example.

the cronyism at the local level dwarfs the Fed level.