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Re: India/Indian Ocean (and India-afpakia and India-China)
« Reply #550 on: May 02, 2022, 06:40:19 PM »
So who is buying Russian stuff. Note: the USA buys more than India and Europe buys a lot. Yet they pressure India to stop buying!


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GPF: India Powers Down
« Reply #551 on: May 06, 2022, 02:25:57 PM »
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Energy disruptions are threatening the country's economic recovery.
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Although India has some of the world’s largest coal reserves, its massive power consumption means that it also must import coal to meet its energy needs. India is facing a two-part coal conundrum: supply shortages and rising prices. Oil and natural gas prices were already rising as economies across the globe came back online from the pandemic. Between the recovery and the price hikes provoked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, many countries turned to cheaper energy alternatives, including coal. This, in turn, pushed up coal prices.

The situation is concerning for the Indian economy on several fronts. April’s power demand was well above peak consumption last summer, and power plants are now in a weaker position to meet upcoming summer demand. Coal shortages and slumping inventories have created electricity shortages in major Indian cities, including New Delhi, where hospitals have been affected. Sixty percent of households in India have already experienced some level of daily power cuts. The government is making plans to increase domestic coal output and reduce coal supplies to the non-power sector. The supply cuts will affect aluminum smelters, steel mills and other industrial activities, risking the country’s economic recovery.


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Re: India/Indian Ocean (and India-afpakia and India-China)
« Reply #555 on: May 23, 2022, 05:20:43 AM »
MY goes pretty fg far out there sometimes.  I ran my post of yesterday by a certain Indian born and raised (now American citizen with security clearance) friend yesterday and he concurred with what MY says in the post.

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Foreign Affairs: India's Last Best Chance
« Reply #556 on: June 04, 2022, 01:49:57 PM »

India’s Last Best Chance
Choosing the West Over Russia Could Make New Delhi a Great Power
By Lisa Curtis
May 31, 2022

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/india/2022-05-31/indias-last-best-chance
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India’s neutrality over the war in Ukraine has exposed its vulnerability. New Delhi depends on Russia for military supplies, and so, even though Russia is blatantly violating Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty in an attempt to re-create its erstwhile empire, India has opted to stay silent. It has done so even though India, as a former colony, knows all too well what it’s like to be the victim of imperialism. It has done so even though its own territorial integrity is threatened by another authoritarian power—namely, China. India, it seems, feels caught in a vise grip by Moscow.

To some extent, New Delhi’s concerns are understandable. Russian President Vladimir Putin has not been shy about cutting trade with states that condemn his invasion. But viewed more broadly, New Delhi’s approach is shortsighted and risky. It ignores the dangerous precedent that Russia’s reckless behavior is setting in other parts of the world. It provides diplomatic cover to China—Moscow’s most conspicuous international backer—to also ignore Russia’s bad behavior. And although criticizing the invasion might worsen relations with Russia, refusing to take a stand could alienate an even more powerful country: the United States.

The prospect of upsetting Washington should be particularly concerning for Indian policymakers. The United States has become one of New Delhi’s most important partners, particularly as India tries to stand up to Chinese aggression in the Himalayas. But although Washington is not happy that New Delhi has refused to condemn Russian aggression, Indian policymakers have calculated that their country is so central to U.S. efforts to counterbalance China that India will remain immune to a potential backlash. So far, they’ve been right; the United States has issued only muted criticisms of Indian neutrality. Yet Washington’s patience is not endless, and the longer Russia prosecutes its war without India changing its position, the more likely the United States will be to view India as an unreliable partner. It may not want to, but ultimately New Delhi will have to pick between Russia and the West.


It should choose the West. The United States and its allies can offer India more—diplomatically, financially, and militarily—than can Russia. They can better help New Delhi stand up to China. In the short term, this reorientation may make procurement difficult for India’s military, but Russia’s invasion has already weakened Moscow’s ability to provide India with supplies. New Delhi, then, has little to lose by throwing its lot in with the United States and Europe, and it ought to use Russia’s invasion as an opportunity to boldly shift away from Moscow.

GO WEST

When it comes to the war, India is something of an outlier among the world’s democracies. The United States, Canada, almost all of Europe, and multiple countries in Asia and the Pacific—including Australia, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea, and Taiwan—have condemned and sanctioned Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. India, by contrast, has remained neutral.

Indeed, New Delhi has arguably even supported Moscow. Unlike most of the world, it has actively increased its economic ties to Russia since the war began. According to The New York Times, India’s crude oil purchases from Russia went from 33,000 barrels per day in 2021 to 300,000 barrels a day in March and then to 700,000 a day in April. Indian importers are purchasing Russian liquified natural gas on the so-called spot market at reduced prices. India’s buys are still far smaller than those made by European countries, but the latter states are working to drastically reduce their dependence on Moscow. India, by contrast, has handed Russia a possible lifeline. It’s no surprise, then, that Moscow has praised New Delhi for, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov put it, “taking this situation in the entirety of facts, not just in a one-sided way.”

For now, U.S. officials have been tolerant of India’s behavior. They understand that the country relies on Russian military hardware, and they recognize that India cannot break its dependence overnight. But there’s a difference between neutrality and support, and as Russian atrocities mount and India continues to import large amounts of Russian crude oil and gas, Washington may begin to see New Delhi as an enabler. To preserve the United States’ deepening relationship with India, U.S. policymakers will want to ensure that India is not facilitating Russia’s invasion.

They will also want New Delhi to turn to other military suppliers. If India doesn’t do so, it will become more difficult for the United States to increase its transfer of sophisticated defense technologies to New Delhi, since Washington cannot expose its high-tech equipment to Russian systems. Under the U.S. Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, India could even face economic penalties for its ties to Moscow. India recently purchased an S-400 air defense system from Russia, and unless U.S. President Joe Biden decides to waive the penalties for national security reasons, Indian officials could be hit with restrictions on access to U.S. loans from U.S. financial institutions and prohibitions on bank transactions subject to U.S. jurisdictions, among other sanctions. The White House appeared to be on a path to waive the sanctions, but that was before Russia’s February 24 invasion of Ukraine. Now, it is no longer clear what the administration will do.


New Delhi has arguably supported Moscow.

Thankfully for Indian-U.S. relations, there are signs that India may be starting to reduce its military ties with Moscow. The country has been gradually cutting its defense imports from Russia over the last several years, and Indian media recently reported that the country has cancelled plans to upgrade its Russian Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft because the war has made it harder for Moscow to supply New Delhi with spare parts. This month, India halted negotiations with Russia to acquire ten Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters, also over concerns about Moscow’s ability to fulfill the order. But 80 percent of the country’s current military stocks still consist of Russian-origin equipment.

For India, curtailing dependence on Russian military gear is not just the right move for moral reasons. Ultimately, it will also help advance the Indian’s military modernization goals. As Russia becomes poorer and increasingly isolated, it will be less and less able to assist the Indian military (a fact that the canceled orders illustrate). That’s because Russia will have fewer high-quality weapons to sell, and it will need to focus more on replenishing its own military stocks, particularly as it loses access to critical Western technologies. New Delhi, then, should move quickly to find other countries that manufacture spares and upgrades for Russian-made equipment. And over the long term, India should focus on building up domestic military production so that it becomes less dependent on other countries for its national defense.

CARROTS WITHOUT STICKS

India has refused to condemn Russia’s invasion for reasons beyond just its military needs. Moscow has long offered diplomatic support to India, including over the issue of Kashmir, and New Delhi is reticent to antagonize a friend. But in recent years, Russia has become far less dependable. For example, Russia has recently made overtures to Pakistan, perhaps India’s biggest antagonist. Last year, Lavrov visited Islamabad, and he pledged that Moscow would boost military cooperation and construct a $2.5 billion gas pipeline between Pakistani cities—Russia’s first major economic investment in Pakistan in 50 years.

Even more alarming for New Delhi was the release of Beijing and Moscow’s historic joint manifesto. Announced on February 4, following a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, the 5,000-plus word document heralded an era of newly deep Chinese-Russian relations. For India, this partnership could not come at a worse time. In June 2020, Beijing and New Delhi came to blows after China spent months deliberately building up its forces at several points along the Line of Actual Control that divides the two nations. The resulting fight killed 20 Indian soldiers and at least four Chinese troops—the first deaths along the disputed border since 1975.

Following the clash, New Delhi turned to Moscow for diplomatic assistance, hoping that Russia could defuse tensions and prevent an all-out conflict. Indian officials calculated that Russia had more influence and leverage with Beijing than did any other country, and that it might therefore be able to get China to step back. And Moscow did host a virtual Russia-China-India trilateral meeting of foreign ministers shortly after the fight.


Moscow has long offered support to India, and New Delhi is reticent to antagonize a friend.

But ultimately it was Washington that backed India with robust material and moral support in its time of crisis. It publicly vowed to stand with India in the country’s efforts to protect its territorial sovereignty, and it expedited the leasing of two MQ-9B surveillance drones. It gave winter military gear to Indian troops. Most important, Washington enhanced information and intelligence sharing with New Delhi. This marked a turning point in Indian-U.S. relations. Before the clash, Indian policymakers had actively debated whether India could count on the United States for support in a conflict with China. Washington’s response made it clear that the answer is yes.

In the years since, ties between the two countries have only grown stronger. The U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy, released in mid-February, made clear that India plays a critical role in Washington’s efforts to compete with Beijing. The Biden administration further affirmed U.S.-Indian ties in April by hosting a 2+2 dialogue between the U.S. secretary of state, the U.S. secretary of defense, and their Indian counterparts. It added a virtual meeting between U.S. President Joe Biden and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the last minute, further signaling the importance of U.S.-Indian relations.

The United States’ allies have largely followed its lead. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson made a visit to India in April to advance negotiations on a British-Indian trade deal and to streamline licensing for British military exports. Three days later, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen visited New Delhi, where she and Modi agreed to establish a joint trade and technology council and to resume negotiations on an EU-Indian free trade agreement.


Washington should not pressure India to criticize Russia.

These steps have all signaled to India that it is welcome to partner with the West. But if the United States wants to move New Delhi further into its camp and away from Moscow’s, it should take additional measures. Washington could give New Delhi even more access to sensitive U.S. technologies that would enhance Indian defense capabilities. It could also provide incentives to U.S. private companies to co-develop and co-produce additional high-tech military equipment in India. It might make its military gear more affordable for India. Recent media reports indicate Washington may be getting ready to take a step in this direction by providing a $500 million Foreign Military Financing package to incentivize India to purchase U.S. weapons. (Given India’s robust defense requirements, however, this is still a small amount.)

What Washington should not do is pressure India to criticize Russia. New Delhi strongly values having an independent foreign policy, and so it would bristle at being told how to act. But U.S. officials can be clear that they will offer India more help, more quickly, if the country reduces its reliance on Russian military systems.

The United States can also help woo India by encouraging the Quad to cooperate on Ukraine in policy domains where all members can agree. During the 2+2 talks, for example, Indian and U.S. officials discussed how to deal with global fuel and food shortages stemming from the war. Biden, Modi, and the Quad’s other two leaders (the prime ministers of Australia and Japan) should also discuss these brewing crises. Talking about such issues will be productive—every member of the Quad has a strong incentive in stopping famines—while avoiding excoriations of India for its neutral position on the war. India wants to be engaged, not shamed, and so this lighter approach is Washington’s best bet for bringing India’s response to the war in Ukraine into alignment with its own.

FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES

For India, closely embracing the West may be discomforting. New Delhi has a proud tradition of strategic autonomy, and it prefers a multipolar world in which it does not have to choose between major geopolitical blocs. Beijing knows this and has been happy to play into India’s concerns. It relishes the current situation in no small part because it views the conflict as an opportunity to woo India with promises of a multipolar world while at the same time driving a wedge between New Delhi and Washington.

But India should recognize that it would be a loser in such a system. China and Russia’s version of multipolarity would make it easier for authoritarian powers with revisionist goals to redraw borders, as China hopes to do in the Himalayas. Beijing and Moscow’s manifesto should underscore these risks. As part of the document, both states criticized the U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy—which promises stronger cooperation with India.

But the best way for the country to protect itself is to not play into China’s and Russia’s hands. It is, instead, to exude strength—including by speaking out against Russian aggression, rather than being cowed by Moscow. And that means New Delhi should deepen its partnership with the United States, the country best positioned to help India achieve its great-power ambitions.

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More good thinking from Walter Russell Mead: India-US
« Reply #557 on: June 07, 2022, 04:32:51 AM »
Handle the India-U.S. Relationship With Care
The world’s largest democracy often sees things very differently than America.

By Walter Russell Mead
June 6, 2022 7:03 pm ET



Superficially, the U.S.-India relationship looks like a success. With both countries focused on China, business ties steadily deepening, and U.S.-Pakistan relations in a deep freeze, many of the old obstacles to the relationship have disappeared.

But an intense week of meetings in Bangalore and Delhi with politicians, think tankers, religious leaders and journalists made clear that while Americans and Indians share strategic and economic interests, and we both value democracy, we remain divided by important differences in values and perceptions. Unless managed carefully, these differences could derail U.S.-India cooperation at a critical time.

Americans and Indians often see the same problem in very different ways. India, for example, does not see Russia’s attack on Ukraine as a threat to world order. While Americans have been disturbed by India’s continued willingness to buy oil from Russia, Indians resent the West’s attempt to rally global support for what many here see as a largely Western problem in Ukraine. Pointing out that Europeans scarcely noticed China’s attacks on Indian frontier posts in 2020, Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told a conference in Bratislava, Slovakia, last week that “Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems.”

More generally, Indians bristle when they sense Americans and Europeans getting together to write global rules. The more that American Wilsonians talk about a values-based international order, the more that Indians worry about Western arrogance. Many Indians want a strong Russia and, within limits, a strong China precisely to help guard against the kind of world order President Biden and many of his advisers want to build.

This is more than the postcolonial suspicion of Western intentions that India has long shared with many other non-Western countries. The Hindu nationalist movement that has replaced the long-ruling Congress Party with a new political system built around the Bharatiya Janata Party and its charismatic leader, Narendra Modi, has brought a new dynamism to Indian foreign policy. This new nationalist India wants to increase and develop Indian power, not submerge Indian sovereignty in Western-designed international institutions.


The domestic agenda of the Hindu nationalist movement can also cause problems for the U.S.-India relationship. For Hindu nationalists, the rule of the Muslim Mughal emperors, some of whom destroyed ancient Hindu temples and built mosques on their ruins, was as much a disaster as British colonialism for Indian civilization. It is not enough to send the British packing; the liberation of India means placing Hindu civilization back at the center of Indian cultural and political life. Many BJP supporters want the Indian government to defend India’s Hindu civilization and culture from Islam, Christianity and Western secular liberalism.

This form of Hindu nationalism leads to controversial policy initiatives. Tough restrictions on the ability of foreign organizations to fund civil-society groups in India threaten to disrupt the activities of American charities ranging from the Ford Foundation to the Catholic Church. Anti-conversion laws put obstacles in the path of both Christian and Muslim missionary efforts, and Hindu women wishing to marry out of the faith sometimes face severe social and governmental pressures. Communal violence, a problem in India since the days of the British raj, has risen in recent years. Indian Muslims often express fears for their personal security.

American human-rights groups have responded to these developments with increasing concern, and last week Secretary of State Antony Blinken named India as a country “where religious freedom and the rights of religious minorities are under threat.” Such statements do more to trigger anticolonial and anti-Western sentiments than to relieve minority communities. Hindu nationalism is, among other things, a demand that Indian civilization be accepted as the moral and spiritual equal of the West. America has its racial problems and mass shootings, Indians say. What gives Americans the right to tell India how to live?

These conflicts aren’t going away and will likely get worse over time. Hindu nationalism is here to stay. So are India’s communal tensions, and so too for that matter is the belief of many Americans that they have a solemn duty to tell people in other countries and cultures how to live—and to impose sanctions on those unhappy occasions when they fail to take our advice. If bilateral relations are to prosper, Indians and Americans need to find better ways to manage these chronic issues.

India and the U.S. are raucously democratic societies, and their foreign policies cannot ignore public opinion. Managing this critical relationship is never going to be easy. Building deeper ties between the two societies will help; so too will quiet, low-key conversations aimed at preventing blowups before they occur. Both sides need this relationship; we both need to focus on making it work.

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Re: India/Indian Ocean (and India-afpakia and India-China)
« Reply #558 on: June 08, 2022, 06:27:44 PM »
It is understandable that the US govt wants India to side with the west and the USA. The problem is that there is decades of Indian experience where the US has imposed sanctions on India, or supported Pak with weapons that kill Indians. In contrast, Russia has been a steadfast ally, though that is changing as it moves closer to China, while India moves closer to the USA. India is completely dependent on Russia for weapons and supplies, around 70 % of which are Russian in origin. Russia also shares technology that the US would never do, eg that relating to nuclear subs, it also leases nuclear powered subs to India. Even today, the US keeps threatening to put CAATSA sanctions on India for buying Russian S-400 missiles. France is another country, which has always supported India, especially with military technology and there is good mutual trust.

So things are changing slowly, my guess is it takes another decade or so before their is enough trust. Indian purchases of US weapons are increasing all the time, but it will take one obtuse move by the US to set back Indo-US relations by decades.

What the US needs to learn is that the carrot and stick (threats) approach does not work with India, it only hardens anti-US resolve. US India policy needs to be stable and ironclad (like how it was by the Russians). The second thing is that any pro Pak overtures are perceived very negatively in India. This pro Pak policy stems from the US desire to strengthen Pak, so that India does not gain an upper hand against pak. Now they do the same vis a vis China, though in this instance it benefits India. The concern is that as soon as US-China relations improve, India will be sacrificed and so full trust is never obtained.

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Re: India/Indian Ocean (and India-afpakia and India-China)
« Reply #559 on: June 14, 2022, 07:32:46 PM »
So India just started a new scheme to recruit youngsters into the army "Agnipath", where they are trained by army for 4 years and then a portion can join the army and the rest remain in civilian service or paramilitary. My brain is in hyperdrive speculative mode. Could this be a prelude to a war on POK/China, where it is anticipated that a lot more army trained civilians and soldiers are needed for a succesful two front war (note the problems Russia is facing with respect to lack of enough soldiers). Timing of India taking POK, could coincide with China making a move on Taiwan.

There are many other hints..connect the dots.
- China is building infrastructure near the border (incase India makes a grab for territory), when China is distracted with Taiwan.
- India is pushing for new military hardware from US and also giving rapid clearance to Indian weapons systems, planes etc.
- Indian border infrastructure is being pushed, literally on a war footing.
- It is an election promise by the Modi govt
- Pak economy has collapsed and is quite weak.


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« Reply #560 on: August 04, 2022, 09:09:07 AM »
Import boom. Indian imports of Russian commodities increased sharply in July. Russia became India’s top fertilizer supplier, while oil imports reached a record 1 million barrels per day. Imports of Russian coal and sunflower oil also grew, with Russia now India’s third largest coal supplier and 10th largest source of imports overall. India expects last month’s introduction of a new rupee settlement mechanism to help further boost its bilateral trade with Russia.

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« Reply #561 on: August 04, 2022, 09:53:57 AM »
I don’t think China has the bandwidth for a war with India while fighting over Taiwan.

So India just started a new scheme to recruit youngsters into the army "Agnipath", where they are trained by army for 4 years and then a portion can join the army and the rest remain in civilian service or paramilitary. My brain is in hyperdrive speculative mode. Could this be a prelude to a war on POK/China, where it is anticipated that a lot more army trained civilians and soldiers are needed for a succesful two front war (note the problems Russia is facing with respect to lack of enough soldiers). Timing of India taking POK, could coincide with China making a move on Taiwan.

There are many other hints..connect the dots.
- China is building infrastructure near the border (incase India makes a grab for territory), when China is distracted with Taiwan.
- India is pushing for new military hardware from US and also giving rapid clearance to Indian weapons systems, planes etc.
- Indian border infrastructure is being pushed, literally on a war footing.
- It is an election promise by the Modi govt
- Pak economy has collapsed and is quite weak.

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« Reply #562 on: August 04, 2022, 04:33:14 PM »
I have been forgetting to consider this variable.

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« Reply #563 on: August 06, 2022, 09:04:15 AM »
- I will add, that Rajnath Singh, India's Defense Minister recently gave a speech (albeit in a War memorial Setting),  with certain religious allegories that POK will be India's soon. The story has been consistent from various cabinet ministers, timing likely to be before 2024 elections. Now with the strong dollar causing havoc even in India, it might give the politicians an incentive to start a war. Pak is essentially bankrupt, populace is angry and suffering, they too need a diversion.  Its been a while that Pak has not created a big terror incident in India. So if China or Pak would please do the honors...

- This year the govt has started a new scheme  to encourage people to have a flag in every home for Independence day (Aug 15), particularly in Kashmir. There are plenty of videos with Kashmiri adults and young kids singing Indian songs and allegiance to India. This has not happened before, infact Kashmiris only raised Pak flags in the past. All of this is to create an image for POK to join India. The Govt has also spent a ton of money to improve the situation in Kashmir, with jobs and development, violence has almost disappeared. The people of POK must support the merger and the govt is doing everything it can to show a contrast with Pak, who currently manages POK (disastrously).

I will keep documenting such changes...hopefully am reading the tea leaves correctly..
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« Reply #564 on: August 07, 2022, 04:57:44 PM »
India no longer reiterates, One-China Policy..since around 2008. Here India is taking a harder stance than the USA.

“We conveyed that if the Chinese side desired India to state the One-China policy, then it should respect a One-India principle,” said another former official.
https://island.lk/india-maintains-loud-silence-on-taiwan-crisis-its-one-china-policy/

"One India" is code for POK, Aksai Chin, Arunachal Pradesh etc, which India claims from Pak or China. In practice, only POK can be gotten back, the rest will need negotiations.

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« Reply #565 on: August 07, 2022, 07:47:36 PM »
Good.

India no longer reiterates, One-China Policy..since around 2008. Here India is taking a harder stance than the USA.

“We conveyed that if the Chinese side desired India to state the One-China policy, then it should respect a One-India principle,” said another former official.
https://island.lk/india-maintains-loud-silence-on-taiwan-crisis-its-one-china-policy/

"One India" is code for POK, Aksai Chin, Arunachal Pradesh etc, which India claims from Pak or China. In practice, only POK can be gotten back, the rest will need negotiations.

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« Reply #566 on: August 11, 2022, 06:59:34 PM »
Here's one more thing.
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/after-pelosi-s-visit-to-taiwan-now-india-snubs-china-on-tibet-deploys-military-chopper-to-fly-dalai-lama-in-ladakh-1135009.html
Modi also wished the Dalai Lama Happy Birthday, an activity frowned upon by China. Now the D.Lama getting to fly on military choppers!



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« Reply #569 on: August 13, 2022, 04:51:08 AM »
And this article, says "As Beijing ups pressure on Taiwan, Washington sends signal on potential 2nd front", with military exercises 60 miles from the India-China border. While I do not think India would go to war with China over Taiwan, they could make a move on POK, where China has invested heavily in the Belt and Road Initiative (aka CPEC in Pak)

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/U.S.-India-prepare-for-mountaintop-drills-near-China-border

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« Reply #570 on: August 14, 2022, 06:08:02 PM »
I found this gem in an unrelated video “That probably would include Australia, but it would certainly include India, and the Indian factor is one which Beijing does not wish to discuss openly. Even in the current war game posture against Taiwan, the PLA started moving additional forces down into the Tibetan plateau to be ready for an Indian response there. The Indian response would be massive. India has a similar force capability in many respects to the People’s Republic of China, and could move the entirety of its forces against the PRC, both on the Tibetan plateau and in the Eurasian context, but also in the Indian Ocean in a naval context,” he added."

https://youtu.be/lG0phJFEvZY
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« Reply #571 on: August 15, 2022, 06:37:38 PM »
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Why Are China, India, and the US so Interested in Nepal?
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I currently reside in Nepal, a small, landlocked country. The home of Mount Everest, the world’s highest mountain peak, Nepal is known for exporting very little and importing quite a lot, with the people of Nepal relying heavily on tourism as a source of income.

Then, one wonders, why are three of the most powerful countries—China, India, and the United States—so interested in a country roughly the size of Illinois?

Nepal shares a border with India. But as the movie “Grumpy Old Men” taught us, neighbors don’t always get along. Despite linguistic, religious, and cultural similarities, India and Nepal are not on good terms. In fact, the two countries haven’t been on good terms for decades.

In recent times, the governments of both countries have clashed over the Kalapani territory, a sort of no-man’s-land that lies at the eastern border of Uttarakhand, a state in northern India crossed by the Himalayas, and Nepal’s Sudurpashchim Pradesh. Although the territory is under Indian rule, the Nepali people argue that their neighbors have stolen what’s rightfully theirs. India never tires of angering the people of Nepal, and because of this, the Nepali government has become increasingly close with their other neighbors in China. Not surprisingly, the Indian government is clearly worried about the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) growing presence in Nepal.

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China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi (R) with Nepal’s Foreign Minister Narayan Khadka wave prior to their meeting at Singhadurbar in Kathmandu, Nepal, on March 26, 2022. (Prakash Mathema/AFP via Getty Images)
Another country that is worried about the influence of Beijing is the United States. In 2015, Nepal applied to be a part of the U.S. State Partnership Program (SPP), a joint security cooperation program between the Department of Defense (DOD) and foreign countries. Established in 1993, the program now has 77 partners around the world. In June of this year, however, Nepal’s government had a change of heart, officially communicating that the land of 30 million people was no longer interested in joining the SPP.

Why?

Some critics have argued that the SPP is closely aligned with the United States’ Indo-Pacific Strategy (IPS), a tactical plan designed to address the threat from China. Nepal, it seems, has little interest in angering its Chinese neighbors. That’s because Sino-Nepalese relations are supposedly marked by reciprocity and cooperation.

Nepal is not a rich country. Its per capita income is a little over $1,000. Its infrastructure leaves a lot to be desired. Nepal needs all the investment it can get. China is only too willing to assist. Last year, Nepal received $268 million in foreign direct investment. China provided 71 percent ($188 million) of it. The question, though, is why? Why is China so interested in Nepal?

First, there is a degree of FOMO (fear of missing out). If China doesn’t get in there, the CCP fears that its two biggest rivals, India and the United States, will. Second, Nepal, firmly nestled between India and China, occupies a location of real geostrategic significance. Third, Nepal has an abundance of valuable minerals like coal, iron, copper, and limestone.

There’s also a fourth, extremely intriguing reason that explains China’s interest. As Lt. Gen. Chauhan, a commander with the Indian Army, recently noted, “the slightest stir in Nepal will have a residual effect on India and China, especially in Tibet.” Nepal is, in many ways, “the gateway to the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR).” Chauhan believes Nepal now “plays a vital role in China’s South Asia outreach and the gateway to the Indo –Gangetic Plains of India, in many ways the heartland of India.” The Chinese, he warns readers, view Nepal as “the soft underbelly of Southern Tibet and are now determined to keep it under their influence.”

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Exiled Tibetans at an event honoring the 78th birthday of the Dalai Lama, at Manag monastery in Kathmandu, Nepal, on July 6, 2013. (Prakash Mathema/AFP/Getty Images)
This brings us to the Dalai Lama, a man synonymous with Tibet.

In 1959, when China annexed Tibet, Gyalwa Rinpoche, the 14th and current Dalai Lama, fled to the Indian city of Dharamsala. Situated on the edge of the Himalayas, the city is home to a large number of exiled Tibetans, the Dalai Lama included. Like us all, the spiritual guru is not getting any younger. He recently celebrated his 87th birthday. A successor must be chosen. The Dalai Lama has spoken about the possibility of his successor coming from a “free country.” He has also floated the idea of an “attractive” female replacement.

Naturally, the CCP has other plans. Beijing has made it abundantly clear that the Dalai Lama’s successor will be chosen by Chinese leader Xi Jinping and his colleagues. According to the Chinese foreign ministry, “the reincarnation must comply with Chinese laws and regulations, follow rituals and historic conventions.”

We now face the very real possibility of two successors being chosen—one by the Dalai Lama and one by the CCP. Contrary to popular belief, Buddha was born in Nepal, not India. If Nepal were to throw its weight behind the CCP’s candidate, it would add a veneer of credibility (albeit a very light one) to the Chinese candidate.

It’s clear to see that Nepal is a country of real significance, thus explaining why China, India, and the United States are so interested in this highly volatile, multicultural state. Nepal, it seems, is only interested in one of its suitors. As I finish writing this short piece, Narayan Khadka, Nepal’s foreign minister, is preparing to board a plane to China, much to the United States’ dismay. At a time of heightened tensions between Beijing and Washington, Kathmandu is siding with the former and shunning the latter.

Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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« Reply #572 on: August 28, 2022, 07:54:02 PM »
This fits in with what I have been saying...Infact, India must take back territories in POK at a minimum, were China to invade Taiwan. China would not have a great interest to interfere, since India has some legal backing for its actions, same as China has some claims over Taiwan. Once POK is taken, the CPEC/BRI corridor through Pak is broken and China would have less interest to fight India.

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/pelosis-visit-spurs-chinese-discussions-on-a-two-front-crisis/
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« Reply #573 on: August 30, 2022, 01:01:36 AM »
For Sri Lanka, India's Anger Over a Chinese Ship Visit Highlights a Foreign Policy Dilemma
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China's ambassador to Sri Lanka (left) gestures upon the arrival of China's research and survey vessel, the Yuan Wang 5, at the Hambantota port on Aug. 16, 2022.
China's ambassador to Sri Lanka (left) gestures upon the arrival of China's research and survey vessel, the Yuan Wang 5, at the Hambantota port on Aug. 16, 2022.

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A recent diplomatic spat between Sri Lanka and India over a Chinese ship highlights the extent to which Colombo's foreign policy — which is focused on securing strong ties with (and financial aid from) both Beijing and New Delhi — could become increasingly harder to sustain. A Chinese military research ship left the Sri Lankan port of Hambantota on Aug. 22 after docking there for a week. The ship's presence in the Sri Lankan port had led to a small diplomatic row between Sri Lanka and India, as New Delhi protested the arrival of a Chinese vessel with the ability to potentially survey India's underwater and maritime installations in the area. According to media reports, the Sri Lankan government considered not granting permission to the vessel under Indian pressure, which highlights Colombo's delicate balancing act between New Delhi and Beijing. The ship strolled into Indian Ocean waters before being permitted to enter the country as Sri Lanka appeared to cave under China's pressure.

The Chinese research ship Wang Yuan V was originally due to visit the port of Hambantota on Aug. 11. Sri Lanka asked China to defer the visit on Aug. 8.

China has argued the Wang Yuan V is a scientific research ship that poses no security threat to any country. However, the vessel is capable of tracking satellites and intercontinental missile launches.

The Hambantota International Port is Sri Lanka's second largest port. China Merchants Port owns a controlling stake in the port and was awarded a 99-year lease on it in 2017. India, whose bilateral relationship with China has become tenser in recent years, is concerned about China potentially using the Hambantota port for military activities as a part of Beijing's growing assertiveness in global power competition.
Sri Lanka's seemingly indecisive action reflects the dilemma it faces in order to maintain good relations with both China and India as their bilateral competition increases. Sri Lanka has traditionally been under India's sphere of influence, but over the past decade, it has moved closer to China, which has increasingly provided economic, financial and logistical support to the island nation's critical infrastructure development. Moreover, while in recent months Sri Lanka has relied on Indian credit lines for food and fuel to cope with its severe social and economic crisis, Beijing continues to be the biggest bilateral creditor for Colombo. Sri Lanka's balancing act also takes place on security issues, as Colombo has signed several defense agreements with New Delhi over the years while also seeking to avoid any moves that China would see as a provocation.

Under the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord signed in 1998, both Sri Lanka and India have pledged to prevent any action that would be a threat to each other's national security. In April 2022, India and Sri Lanka signed a series of agreements to increase maritime security cooperation in the southern Indian Ocean, including the donation of Indian military equipment to Sri Lanka. This reflects New Delhi's increasing concern about China's maritime presence in the area.

Sri Lanka has also sought to maintain close security cooperation with China. In recent years, Beijing has provided Colombo with military equipment and training. In 2014, Sri Lanka permitted Chinese nuclear submarines to dock at Colombo, despite India's objection. In 2017, however, Sri Lanka rejected another Chinese submarine's entry under Indian pressure.

While unlikely to substantially impact Sri Lanka's relations with India and China, the recent ship episode also shows how Colombo's balancing act between the two regional powers increasingly risks alienating one or both of its key financial supporters. Sri Lanka's severe social, political and economic crises means that the country will need financial support from both India and China going forward. In the coming months, Sri Lanka will try to convince China to restructure its debt to comply with the International Monetary Fund's requirements for a bailout package. Sri Lanka is also heavily reliant on India for continued fuel, food and fertilizer aid. The recent diplomatic spat regarding the Chinese ship is unlikely to alter India or China's greater calculus in regards to maintaining support to Sri Lanka, though the episode still carries a small risk of New Delhi temporarily suspending aid to Colombo in retaliation for allowing a Chinese military vessel to dock at a Sri Lankan port. This could prolong Sri Lanka's ongoing economic crisis by further impeding food production, transport and electricity generation on the island. More broadly, India and China's growing rivalry could make it increasingly tricky for Sri Lanka to maintain its balancing act between the two regional powers in which Colombo selectively turns to New Delhi and Beijing for investment and financial aid. As geopolitical competition in the wider Indo-Pacific region increases, Sri Lanka could also be under growing pressure from the United States not to move too closely to China, which could close the door to a significant source of investment and credit.

With a 10% share of its foreign debt, China is the biggest bilateral creditor of Sri Lanka.

India has provided Sri Lanka with roughly $4 billion worth of economic aid so far this year. India is also the only country that has sent fuel to Sri Lanka in recent months to help mitigate widespread energy shortages on the island.

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« Reply #574 on: August 30, 2022, 06:57:56 AM »
MY

", , , the entire South Asian human-ecosystem is collapsing. Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal — these countries all surround…INDIA."

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« Reply #575 on: September 01, 2022, 04:40:48 AM »
Yes, the strength of the US$ is destroying the emerging markets as well as developed markets. In the meantime, India records a 13.5 % GDP for the quarter.

https://yourstory.com/2022/08/india-gdp-expands-135-pc-in-first-quarter-2022/amp

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« Reply #576 on: September 01, 2022, 05:45:34 AM »
Ya

13.5% wow

are Indian stocks a buy?


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« Reply #577 on: September 02, 2022, 06:55:07 PM »
I dont follow Indian stocks...but today India became the 5th largest economy in the world, displacing its colonial master UK. I would not invest abroad, due to the strength of the US $. One must wait, until the Fed pivots or cuts rates.

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« Reply #578 on: September 09, 2022, 04:36:24 AM »
A few interesting coincidences happening with the passing of Queen Eliz II, signifying the end of an era.

- India passes the UK as the 5th largest economy.
- India installs the statue of Bose a patriot, where the statue of King George V used to reside in New Delhi. @ an important site in the capital.
- Rajpath "Highway of kings" named after the british monarchs and which is the major road in New Delhi, was renamed with an Indian name.
- The Indian Navy flag has had the King George cross on it for the last 75 years, it was replaced with another national emblem.

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« Reply #579 on: September 09, 2022, 04:39:35 AM »
In the meantime the Biden admin is back to its old playbook of supporting Pak with arms. Trump stopped it in 2018, Biden restarted it, to a country which harbored Bin Laden. 9/11 is now a distant memory.
I suppose its payback for India buying oil from Russia, but this is the exact reason why the India-US relationship remains transactional. Everytime there is a step forward, sooner or later it slides back.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-approves-450-million-f-16-fleet-sustainment-programme-to-pakistan-101662610278368.html

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« Reply #580 on: September 09, 2022, 05:30:11 AM »
Important news, India-China pull back from point of contact. This is huge news. After 2 years of a tough Indian stance, both sides have agreed to essentially go back to their original positions and dismantle new structures. The Chinese realized the futility of their stance, which I can say they very rarely do, unless forced. The interesting question is why now ?.
- Taiwan  in the works ?
- Just as the US tried to drive a wedge between Russia and China and draw Russia to the west, could the Chinese be interested to draw India into the Dragon-Bear relationship and drive a wedge with the USA ?.
- Modi is planning to meet Xi quite soon


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« Reply #581 on: September 09, 2022, 06:59:01 AM »
"The Chinese realized the futility of their stance, which I can say they very rarely do, unless forced. The interesting question is why now ?
- Taiwan  in the works ?"  ...
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That's the question, and the only answer I can think of.

Whatever the motive was at the Indian border, it isn't as high as priority as what they have planned with Taiwan.

Xi sees a short window before the US is back under strong leadership.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-could-invade-taiwan-within-next-18-months-before-next-us-presidential-election-sources

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« Reply #582 on: September 09, 2022, 09:32:09 AM »
I am not an expert on Taiwan issues, but does anyone know what might be a good season for a Chinese assault on Taiwan. If India was to make a move on POK, Nov-May can be snow bound and not convenient from an India point of view. So perversely, from a Chinese POV, thats the best time for an assault.

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« Reply #583 on: September 09, 2022, 09:52:54 AM »
I am not an expert on Taiwan issues, but does anyone know what might be a good season for a Chinese assault on Taiwan. If India was to make a move on POK, Nov-May can be snow bound and not convenient from an India point of view. So perversely, from a Chinese POV, thats the best time for an assault.

From what I recall, spring and fall are the only times the S. China Sea has conditions favorable for an amphibious operation.

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« Reply #584 on: September 09, 2022, 06:50:27 PM »
FWIW, Admiral Denny thinks that all the Chinese need to do is a naval blockade.  No chips for us, and a seige for Taiwan.  Our Pentagon already knows that in theater the Chinese can kick our ass fast and hard.
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« Reply #585 on: September 11, 2022, 08:12:24 PM »
But  that could lead to a potential blockade of any China traffic thro the Malacca Straights. If I was She Gin Ping, to make it worth the risk, I would invade Taiwan and bear the consequences. In a few years the blockade will be lifted and we get back to business. China is too big to sanction forever. That will be his calculation, same as Putin's wrt Ukraine. The future markets are in Asia and Africa. Dont think the Dragon-Bear thinks they have a long term future with the west.

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« Reply #586 on: September 12, 2022, 03:31:09 AM »
"Dont think the Dragon-Bear thinks they have a long term future with the west."

Agree- which is why it was so stupid of us to drive Russia into China's arms.

I wish the Ukes success (and at the moment it looks like they are doing very well) but even should they succeed (and how do we define that?) as far as America is concerned, the Russian-Chinese alliance of interests is a very bad development.

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« Reply #587 on: September 12, 2022, 04:50:43 AM »
Germany next...India moving upwards. With the current situation, it could happen quickly.


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« Reply #588 on: September 16, 2022, 10:55:42 AM »
India's Modi rebuked Putin, saying "today's era is not an era of war," according to public remarks Friday in Samarkand, according to Reuters. Putin reportedly responded by thanking India for buying Russian fertilizers, the sales of which "have grown more than eight fold," said the Russian leader.

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« Reply #589 on: September 16, 2022, 06:46:54 PM »
Well, it was a very mild rebuke, if at all. Below you can hear the actual video of Putin (in english) speaking to Modi, and Modi in hindi (no translation offered).
https://youtu.be/_aEzYTtPjKQ

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« Reply #590 on: September 17, 2022, 05:56:12 AM »
Note the rate of change (trajectory). At this rate and with the Ukr crisis, India will overtake Germany in a few years.


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« Reply #592 on: September 24, 2022, 04:09:36 AM »
Defense cooperation. The U.S. and India will codevelop new drones to help New Delhi modernize its defense capabilities and develop its defense industry, according to a senior Pentagon official. India will build the aircraft and the U.S. will help with production and development. India is highly dependent on Russia for arms, but its government and media are growing increasingly critical of Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine. Meanwhile, responding to India’s concerns over Washington’s offer to help service Pakistan’s F-16 jets, a U.S. official said that the deal was not meant as a message to India and that it did not include any new capabilities, weapons or munitions.

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« Reply #593 on: September 24, 2022, 06:24:51 AM »
So whats happening in China...lots of rumors

https://twitter.com/i/status/1573322602784980993
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« Reply #594 on: September 24, 2022, 10:26:11 AM »
Latest rumor

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« Reply #595 on: September 24, 2022, 10:39:50 AM »
".umor has it that #XiJinping was under arrest after #CCP seniors removed him as head of PLA"

would this be on every newcast ?

 :-o :-o :-o

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« Reply #596 on: September 24, 2022, 12:11:44 PM »
".umor has it that #XiJinping was under arrest after #CCP seniors removed him as head of PLA"

would this be on every newcast ?

 :-o :-o :-o

There is always a lot of wishcasting about the evil dictator of the moment being removed, yet we so rarely see it. Why is that?

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« Reply #597 on: October 04, 2022, 11:43:45 AM »
Foreign Affairs is distinctly not of our orientation here, but it does cover subjects of interest that are under covered elsewhere.
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In June 2020, the Chinese and Indian militaries clashed in the Galwan Valley, a rugged and remote area along the disputed border between the two countries. Twenty Indian and at least four Chinese soldiers were killed, and debate flared about the long-term implications of the skirmishes. Some analysts believed the Sino-Indian relationship would soon return to normal, with regular high-level meetings, increased Chinese investment in India, defense exchanges, and multilateral coordination. Record-high bilateral trade and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s trip to India in March 2022 seemed to support the notion that the two countries could set aside the border dispute and keep strengthening ties. So, too, did Chinese and Indian officials’ agreement in September to pull back from confrontational positions along one of the sections of the border in the Ladakh region where the militaries had been facing off since 2020.

That appearance of rapprochement obscures real ruptures. Indian policymakers were shocked by the outbreak of the border crisis in 2020, which they blamed on Chinese aggression and which remains an ongoing source of tension and concern. India’s domestic and foreign policies have shifted in significant ways in response to the perceived threat of China, and any restoration of the prior status quo in the bilateral relationship is unlikely. For the foreseeable future, India’s approach to China has moved from what can be described as competitive engagement to one of competitive coexistence—if not “armed coexistence,” as former Indian foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale put it. Two years ago, I had suggested in Foreign Affairs that China’s actions could result in Beijing “losing India.” Now, it’s safe to say that China has lost India.

CLASHING IN THE KARAKORAM

India has perceived China as a threat since at least the late 1950s when their differences over Tibet (the Himalayan state China annexed in 1951) and their undemarcated border came to the fore. These disputes precipitated a full-blown war in 1962 that ended disastrously for India, with the loss of territory. But following a crisis in 1986–87, the border remained relatively peaceful, a state of affairs facilitated by several agreements that New Delhi and Beijing negotiated over a 25-year period. This detente also enabled broader Sino-Indian engagement, particularly in the economic and multilateral arenas. It was only after Chinese President Xi Jinping took office that the boundary situation reared up again, with military standoffs in 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2017, and with China and India also competing more intensely elsewhere, jockeying for position in South Asian countries and within international organizations.


Even given this context, events in Ladakh in 2020 did not just constitute another border spat. The violence crossed several thresholds, including the first fatalities in 45 years, and the first known shots fired in decades. The standoffs occurred at more locations, at greater scale, and over a longer period of time than in previous crises. India has accused China of violating the border agreements, and consequently Indian policymakers worry about the prospect of Chinese forces taking further military action. This breakdown of trust has long-term implications for the unsettled border and the broader relationship between the two countries.

Beijing has called for the border crisis to be set aside and for diplomatic, defense, and economic cooperation to resume now that Chinese and Indian troops have disengaged at some of the points of friction. But New Delhi has called for further disengagement—the standing down of troops from more flash points—and for de-escalation—that is, a reversal of the military and infrastructure buildups that have taken place on both sides of the border over the last two and a half years. China is unlikely to agree to the latter, and India will not unilaterally de-escalate. Moreover, India does not believe the border issue can be set aside. It sees peace and tranquility at the border as a precondition for a normal Sino-Indian relationship. Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not meet with Xi on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in September, the first time such a meeting did not occur—a clear signal that India is not yet willing to return to business as usual with China.

The 2020 clash hardened official and public views of China in India, including among a new generation for whom the 1962 Sino-Indian war had been a distant memory. Coupled with China’s lack of transparency about the COVID-19 pandemic, the fighting on the border has left many Indians convinced that China poses an imminent and acute challenge to their country. These developments put an end to the idea that the two countries could alleviate political strains through border agreements and broader—especially economic—cooperation. They also reduced the reluctance in India, stemming from concern about provoking China, to strengthen certain kinds of military capabilities, infrastructure, and partnerships, particularly with the United States.

The appearance of rapprochement between China and India obscures real ruptures.

The perception of China as an adversarial and untrustworthy actor has, in turn, produced changes at the border that will likely outlast this crisis. Both sides have beefed up their military presence at the border, with many more forward-deployed troops—the Line of Actual Control between Indian-held and Chinese-held territories now looks more like the heavily militarized Line of Control between India and Pakistan. India has also redeployed some forces from facing Pakistan or engaging in counterinsurgency operations in northeastern India toward defending the border with China. It is building up both military and dual-purpose infrastructure across the entire border region to match Beijing’s equivalent buildup. These efforts will persist regardless of any bilateral agreement to resolve the current border crisis because India will remain concerned about further Chinese attempts to seize Indian land.

The heightened concern about China has also manifested in domestic policy. The Modi government has gone from initially seeking increased economic ties with China to imposing restrictions or extra scrutiny on a range of Chinese activities in India. It does not seek to decouple from China so much as it wants to disentangle India from China—an approach designed not to eliminate economic ties but to identify and reduce India’s vulnerabilities in critical sectors. Skeptics point to record-high bilateral trade as a measure of the failure of this approach, but India’s trade with China has grown nearly 15 percent more slowly than its trade with the rest of the world over the last year. Moreover, an accurate assessment of the approach will have to wait a few years. Indian officials have placed restrictions on Chinese investment, Chinese access to Indian public procurement contracts, and Chinese companies’ or organizations’ activities in critical economic, technology, telecommunications, civil society, and education sectors. Indian state governments and state-owned companies have suspended or withdrawn from some agreements with Chinese companies. India has banned several popular Chinese apps, including the social media platform TikTok, and excluded Chinese telecommunications companies from its 5G network. And Indian enforcement authorities are targeting Chinese companies for alleged tax or data transfer violations.

Tensions with Beijing have also driven New Delhi to try to reduce India’s economic dependence on China and take advantage of other countries’ desire to do so, as well. The Modi government has moved from criticizing trade agreements on the grounds that they adversely affected Indian businesses, farmers, and workers to exploring or signing deals with Australia, Canada, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the European Union. India is also seeking greater investment from alternate sources, not just in the West but also in the Indo-Pacific and Middle East—particularly in sectors such as solar power, pharmaceuticals, and electronics where it is trying to boost domestic production and reduce overreliance on imports from China.

On broader foreign policy choices, the border crisis has resulted in India further aligning with countries that can help strengthen its position in relation to China in the defense, economic security, and critical technology arenas. Such partners include Australia, France, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

TAKING SIDES
India has long sought to maintain its strategic autonomy, refusing to be drawn into alliances. Now, however, it is at least aligning with countries to address the threat China poses. India is willing now to cooperate more closely with the United States, even at the risk of angering China. It signed a geospatial intelligence agreement with the United States in October 2020; is conducting high-altitude exercises with the U.S. army near the Chinese-Indian border this month; has become more involved in the Indo-Pacific partnership known as the Quad (that features Australia, India, Japan, and the United States) despite Chinese and Russian objections; has participated in a range of maritime exercises with its Quad partners; signed a logistics-sharing agreement with Vietnam in June 2022; and in January 2022 reached a deal to sell BrahMos missiles (jointly developed by India and Russia) to the Philippines.

India once tiptoed around China’s sensitivities regarding perceived threats to its sovereignty. New Delhi is no longer being as deferential. Modi has publicly acknowledged calls he has made with the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan spiritual leader, a departure from his past reluctance to do so. And the Indian Air Force facilitated the Dalai Lama’s month-long visit to Ladakh in July 2022. In a departure from common practice, the Indian foreign ministry in September did not punt on a question about Xinjiang, the Muslim-majority province in the east of China. It twice noted that a UN human rights report had highlighted “the serious maltreatment of minorities” inside China. In recent weeks, the Indian government has also spoken critically about the “militarization of the Taiwan Strait,” refused to reiterate a “one China” policy (that would acknowledge Taiwan as a part of China and the People’s Republic of China as the only legal government of China) despite Beijing’s calls to do so, and urged restraint and warned against any unilateral change to the status quo after U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Taipei in August.


The border crisis has also encouraged India’s more receptive view of U.S. power and presence in South Asia and the Indian Ocean region. In recent years, New Delhi has welcomed a U.S.-Maldivian defense agreement, permitted the refueling of an American reconnaissance aircraft in the Andaman Islands in the Bay of Bengal, backed the U.S.-Nepalese Millennium Challenge Corporation compact that seeks to facilitate infrastructure development, and helped block Chinese attempts to sink the security partnership among Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States known as AUKUS. Moreover, India is cooperating with the United States and other partners such as Japan to offer diplomatic, security, and economic alternatives and counter growing Chinese influence in neighboring South Asian countries.

At the same time as India has drawn closer to the United States and traditional U.S. allies, its ties with China and Russia-backed groupings are stalling. The border crisis has made apparent the limitations of associations such as BRICS (featuring Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa), RIC (Russia, India, and China), and the SCO. As non-Western platforms, they were useful for India when it felt ignored by the West. But today, India sees China posing a greater constraint on its regional and global interests than any Western country. Moreover, Beijing and Moscow’s efforts to reshape these associations into anti-Western platforms limit their utility for India. That does not mean India will exit these groupings—it will not want to leave a vacuum for China to fill—but it has been more concertedly deepening its own relations with countries in the “global South,” outside of any groupings with China and Russia. 

NOT SO FAST

Western policymakers, however, will have to reckon with the factors that could limit the speed and extent of Indian alignment with countries such as the United States against China. For one, India prioritizes Chinese threats differently than do its partners. Even as the latter focus on maritime challenges in the Indo-Pacific, India will devote considerable attention and resources to meeting the Chinese and Pakistani challenge at its border. This continental imperative will shape India’s approach to other Indo-Pacific issues. For instance, New Delhi remains cautious about making statements about Taiwan with other countries out of a concern that they could provoke China into putting more pressure on the border or on restive Indian regions such as Kashmir and in the northeast of the country. Indian officials also do not want China to see their border dispute through the lens of U.S.-Chinese competition; Beijing’s decision to go to war with India in 1962 was motivated by its sense that New Delhi and Washington were colluding to undermine Chinese interests in Tibet.

India’s dependence on Russia as a defense trade and technology partner will also slow any swift realignment. New Delhi’s initial cautious response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine was in no small part shaped by its concerns about potential Chinese escalation at the border. New Delhi has not wanted to jeopardize its military preparedness by upsetting Russia, a key defense supplier. Moreover, it does not want to push Russia from a position of relative neutrality to China’s side in the event of another Sino-Indian crisis. New Delhi also wants to give Moscow some alternatives to partnership with Beijing to delay or even disrupt the further deepening of Sino-Russian ties.

Another impediment to India’s realignment might be if its economic and technology regulations that target China deliberately or inadvertently reinforce protectionism. This could limit Indian economic and technological cooperation with Western and Indo-Pacific partners.

India may also be slow to take the right steps to address the threat posed by China in the security and economic domains due to domestic or other security priorities. It could try to buy time (or stability) with China that could curb the pace, albeit not the trajectory, of its cooperation with like-minded partners. Indian policymakers also harbor doubts about how willing and able many of its partners will continue to be to balance against China. Moreover, the Indian debate about China might have narrowed considerably, but the debate continues about how far and fast to deepen relations with the United States, in particular, and about the balance to strike between the desire for strategic autonomy and the need for alignment.

TACKING WEST

With its 2020 actions at the border, Beijing has stalled, if not reversed, years of deepening Sino-Indian ties. It has also, counterproductively, facilitated the strengthening of Indian partnerships with many Chinese rivals. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, the Indian foreign minister, recently alluded to the broad scope of competition between the two countries, sketching a very different vision of Asia than the one proposed by Beijing. On their part, India’s partners, including the United States, have wondered to what extent India can be brought onside in an alignment against China. These countries should approach India with both pragmatism and ambition. They should have realistic expectations about what New Delhi might be able to do in the Indo-Pacific, given its border-related, regional, and domestic priorities. And they should recognize that while India will compete with China, it will not compete in exactly the same way as the United States or Japan do. But they should not have too little ambition, assuming India will reject deeper cooperation—after all, New Delhi’s traditional diffidence has turned to more willing engagement in recent years. India will steer its own ship, but it is tacking in the direction of those interested in balancing Chinese power and influence in the region and around the world.

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Re: India/Indian Ocean (and India-afpakia and India-China)
« Reply #598 on: October 04, 2022, 04:30:52 PM »
Re: Nepal and Chinese attempts to woo them, India has a special relationship with Nepal. While the article talked about Lumbini the birthplace of Buddha being in Nepal, there is another relationship, God Ram (one of the main God's of Hinduism), his wife Sita was from Nepal. There are many other temples etc related to hinduism in nepal. Nepalese are allowed to work in India, without visas, India also takes the Gorkhas from Nepal into the Indian army. The top Indian army General also has a corresponding title in the Nepalese army and vice-versa. Its very difficult for the Chinese to break into this arrangement, though corrupt politicians ofcourse have to be discounted. The relationship is described as Roti-Beti, which is hard to translate, but essentially its a marriage where the bride is from nepal, who provides the food to the family (husband).

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India’s Ruling Party Is Losing Control
The BJP rode to power on Hindu nationalism in a country and region too diverse for uncompromising populism.
By: Kamran Bokhari

India’s government is facing a serious conundrum. Its continued electoral success depends on Hindu majoritarianism, but it must also maintain stability in the world’s soon-to-be most populous, diverse political economy on the planet. Through Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s two consecutive terms in office, the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has energized right-wing Hindu nationalism, which has undermined social stability in the highly diverse South Asian country. Thus far, Modi has balanced between the pragmatic needs of governance and ideological commitment, but this is an untenable situation, especially with Hindutva having considerably displaced the secular character of the country. The rise of Hindu nationalism endangers regional stability – already at risk due to a severely weakened Muslim-majority state next door in Pakistan and the return to power of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Victims of Their Own Success

Modi’s BJP has been highly successful at winning elections given that Hindus constitute four-fifths of India’s 1.4 billion people. Retaining power in democratic politics, however, is about much more than demographic arithmetic. This is particularly the case when almost a quarter of a billion citizens are not from the majority faith – not to mention the country’s regional and linguistic differences, especially in the south, where the BJP’s brand of Hinduism faces resistance. This explains the Modi administration’s difficult balancing act, amplified by growing domestic unrest, international concerns and criticism over the decline of the country’s long-held secular democratic political tradition.

Religious Makeup of India
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The Modi government was able to defuse a recent crisis in June involving the BJP’s then-spokeswoman, Nupur Sharma, who made controversial remarks about the Prophet Muhammad. Sharma’s statements not only offended many of the country’s 200 million Muslim minority, but they also triggered public condemnation from several Muslim states, including close allies of India. Modi’s BJP was forced to do damage control, removing Sharma from her position, in order to prevent the crisis from undermining its political interests and India’s international standing. In addition, India's supreme court issued a strong reprimand, saying that Sharma’s “loose tongue has set the entire country on fire.”

The government’s efforts somewhat pacified Indian Muslims and Muslim-majority countries, most of which are close trading partners of India. However, it has triggered a debate within the BJP’s own broader ecosystem known as the “Sangh Parivar,” a constellation of right-wing Hindu nationalist social and political entities spawned by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the parent organization of the BJP. A popular perception within this community is that Sharma was unfairly treated for remarks that were taken out of context and were issued in response to many Muslims’ ongoing mockery of Hindu deities.

Though the situation was defused, it sheds light on how the BJP’s own ideology can be a liability for the ruling party. The elite of almost all populist parties of any ideological persuasion is far more pragmatic than its political base. What leaders say they will do before getting elected is different from how they behave once in office, where they encounter the constraints of policymaking and thus need to bridge the gap between campaign promises and actual policy deliverables. This logic tends to create internal differences within the ruling political movement where the existing leadership faces a challenge from far more hawkish elements inhabiting the next echelons.

The BJP is no exception to this rule. The Sharma incident took place amid existing tensions between the ideologues within the BJP and its broader environs and the party’s top leadership, encumbered by the imperatives of governing. The BJP’s electoral strategy pushed it toward the weaponization of Hindutva, the ideology heavily focused on reviving Hindu civilization by rolling back its Muslim heritage. This strategy created a conundrum for the BJP because it unleashed a majoritarian religious extremism, which evolved well beyond the BJP’s electoral needs and thus beyond the party’s control. A prime example of this intra-BJP schism is the chief minister of the state of Uttar Pradesh, Yogi Adityanath, a hardliner Hindu monk-turned-politician well known for whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria.

Ideologues like Adityanath, who have been loud voices for the establishment of Hindu Rashtra (Hindu State), have been responsible for the mobilization of hundreds of thousands of young militants. To this extremist lot, the actions of the BJP leadership against Sharma represent at best a weak commitment to their cause and at worse a betrayal. The move also reinforced the perception that the project of Hindu Rashtra remains vulnerable to pressures from Muslim and Islamist actors and that the Indian Muslim minority constitutes a fifth column within the Indian body politic.

Successor or Challenger?

The schisms within the BJP were hardwired into the party’s fabric. Adityanath, for example, is not originally from the party. Instead, he emerged from a more hawkish strain of Hindutva in his native Uttar Pradesh through his own political vehicle, the Hindu Yuva Vahini, and the highly influential Hindu temple he leads, known as the Gorakhnath Math. As recently as the late 2000s he clashed with the BJP when he fielded candidates against the ruling party and was instrumental in the defeat of an incumbent finance minister in the then-BJP government. Seeing his mounting influence in Uttar Pradesh, the BJP accepted Adityanath as the party leader in the state.

After nearly a decade as a lawmaker in the Indian parliament, Adityanath returned to state politics in Uttar Pradesh in 2017 when he became chief minister of the state – a position he consolidated with his reelection in March 2022. Even before his second-term victory (the first sitting chief executive of the state to win reelection since independence), Adityanath emerged as the second most popular leader in the BJP after its chief, Modi, who has been telegraphing – even if for political purposes – that the monk is his protege. At 50, Adityanath is a generation younger than the 72-year-old Indian prime minister and thus has enough time to position himself as Modi’s successor even though Modi intends to seek a third term in the 2024 elections.

Regardless of the future positions of the two men, Adityanath’s rise has the BJP establishment concerned about the ruling party’s continued ability to balance between its need to leverage religion to maintain its unique position in the Indian political landscape and to govern what will soon be the world’s largest nation. Thus far, the party has been able to do so by complementing its Hindu First ideology with a powerful political machine with deep grassroots support and a welfare economic model. But ultimately, the BJP brand is heavily reliant on exclusionary politics, which engenders religious extremism capable of upsetting India’s fragile social stability.

The BJP faces no effective national-level opponent. Its main rival, Congress, which ruled the country for 54 of its 75-year history, is a shell of its former self, given that its secular nationalist ideology has been supplanted by the BJP’s Hindutva. However, Hindutva appears to be growing beyond the ruling party’s ability to harness it for electoral purposes. This is a long-term trend that will have a direct bearing not only on India but also on the stability of the world’s most densely populated region of South Asia – an area already impacted by Muslim extremism on its western flank.