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1913
« Reply #100 on: May 05, 2021, 05:26:26 AM »
"1913 was a strange inflection point in US history also."

Yes
It had one good event though not earth shattering .
It was the year my father was born.

Ahhh, if only he lived to be 108........

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Winston Churchill speech to citizens after Dunkirk
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2021, 07:13:19 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_LncVnecLA

the honesty is in stark contrast to the bullshit we hear from the Left (and sometimes on the Right)  American politicians of today
we are lied to every single day


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Julia Grant wife of Ulysses
« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2021, 04:49:29 AM »
Look at the early life segment.

The first thing noted is her father was slave holder.

I notice this about Wikipedia - all the histories are altered and mention of slavery one way or the other is written in all of them.

Even when it has almost no importance.
Every past life is reflected upon and analyzed in racial terms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Grant
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Re: History
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2021, 12:40:00 PM »
There was a really nicely done History Channel documentary on Grant and this was mentioned as part of it.  In context it communicated to me as highly relevant in understanding the trajectory of Grant's life.

PS:  Your post and mine would be better placed in the American History thread.

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Re: Julia Grant wife of Ulysses
« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2021, 03:25:59 PM »
Funny how the MSM avoids Kampala’s family history of slave ownership.


Look at the early life segment.

The first thing noted is her father was slave holder.

I notice this about Wikipedia - all the histories are altered and mention of slavery one way or the other is written in all of them.

Even when it has almost no importance.
Every past life is not reflected upon and analyzed in racial terms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Grant

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Re: History
« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2021, 10:06:47 AM »
yes
I saw the HC life of Grant

yes it was very good

I remember Grant being considered a so so general and a corrupt drunk
in the 60s etc.

The corruption seems to have been more the grifters around him (like today)
then he.

I do want to read one of the newer biographies of him

I love how Mark Twain helped him in the end write his biography so he would leave money for his family

throat cancer is a really rough way to die even today
I cannot imagine what it would have been like then

from the cigars and ETOH
not like today -> HPV.  :-o


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life in ancient times
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2022, 06:03:01 AM »
https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-other-side-of-history-daily-life-in-the-ancient-world

I was mailed a flyer  that I could get this for 25 dollars
(sale ended 1/27 though)

Was interested but never got around to it.

fascinating stuff if you like me like history


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The last Euro battle of WW2
« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2022, 07:44:24 PM »

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1919 nobel prize recipient in chemistry
« Reply #111 on: March 01, 2022, 02:14:01 PM »
also

researched and developed gas for the Germans in WW1 and later cyclon B for the Germans
https://economarks.com/on-ammonia-weapons-of-mass-destruction-and-chemist-clara-immerwehr-haber/

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Germany 1946: A defeated people
« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2022, 05:03:45 AM »
Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but seems interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XG-nbM3BE&t=4s

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Sumo wrestler with record of 254-10-41
« Reply #115 on: August 08, 2022, 01:25:14 PM »
 :-o

A figurative and real giant of his day :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_Tameemon


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1923 Interview, Hitler explains "national socialism"
« Reply #117 on: September 05, 2022, 06:00:47 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

From the article:

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.


"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
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Re: History
« Reply #118 on: September 05, 2022, 12:50:20 PM »
Nice find.  I'm now trolling with it on FB as "CRT in 1923".

Marc:  Post first said "Twitter"-- which I have corrected to "FB".  I don't do twitter.


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Re: History
« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2022, 09:27:42 AM »
Nice find.  I'm now trolling with it on Twitter as "CRT in 1923".


"Critical Race Theory in 1923", exactly.  I was looking at it from another angle, the economics he was selling and the economics of which he later governed.  What was it and why was it appealing?  He was redefining the word socialism to fit his sales pitch.  He was a master salesman - before he had the power to coerce.

One thing he did not call his agenda was fascism, but it's not "capitalism" if it's all under state control.  cf. US 2022

What does redefining words and naming things what they are not remind us of today?

Then he throws in the racism, Jew hatred and blame.  Emotion is so much more powerful than ligic. Reminds us of the blame game today, only we hope they won't put millions of us in furnaces when they achieve full power.  Can't say that's a difference because they weren't told where it was leading then either.
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Japanese Unit 731
« Reply #121 on: December 17, 2022, 01:15:17 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Japanese war crimes on Chinese and Russians

The US apparently allowed them to cover it up.

I never heard of this:

"During the final months of World War II, codenamed Cherry Blossoms at Night, the plan of Unit 731 was to use kamikaze pilots to infest San Diego, California, with the plague.[39] The plan was scheduled to launch on 22 September 1945, but Japan surrendered five weeks earlier.[40][41][42][43]"

Doesn't mean the government would have approved this though.





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Mo-nah-se-tah
« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2023, 12:27:41 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo-nah-se-tah

https://turtledove.fandom.com/wiki/Mo-nah-see-tah?file=Monahsetah.jpg

black slavery and suppression were NOT kept out of history
we all knew about this growing up
at least from 60s on (my age group)

what was kept out of history was the infidelity and rape that existed in the past

sounds like Thomas Custer and George Custer raped this girl

new to me


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Another view of Charles Guiteau
« Reply #125 on: February 25, 2023, 09:32:06 AM »
https://nypost.com/article/president-garfields-assassin-charles-guiteau-was-one-of-historys-first-incels/

I remember Pres. Garfield's  1st Lumbar vertebrae showing the path of the bullet
was on display at the Army Forces Institute of Pathology museum *part of Walter Reed at the time * circa 1978-9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_J._Guiteau#/media/File:Path_of_Bullet_that_wounded_President_James_A._Garfield_-_Duncan_K._Winter_drawing_-_NCP_001860.jpg

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democrat partisan historians
« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2023, 08:12:57 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/white-house-jail-historians-see-093000221.html

ignore what the LEFT is doing
and only comment on Trump

compare their phony view to a REAL historian like VDH  :wink:

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JFK assassination, again
« Reply #127 on: May 27, 2023, 01:09:58 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/secret-audio-tape-reportedly-among-013705352.html

I don't buy it
first the grassy knoll was to the side of Kennedy
don't we know both shots came from the rear

and if anyone can convince they see a sniper in the image
I will buy them a whopper
with fries

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Re: History
« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2023, 01:44:16 PM »
American History thread a better fit  , , , Deep State too?  :-o




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Khazars vs. the Arabs
« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2023, 05:35:55 AM »


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Arab–Khazar wars
Part of the Muslim conquests
Geophysical map of the Caucasus area with major settlements and regions, overlaid with green for Umayyad territory, yellow for Khazar territory, and red for Byzantine territory
Map of the Caucasus region c. 740, following the end of the Second Arab–Khazar War
Date   642–799
Location   
North Caucasus (esp. Dagestan), South Caucasus (esp. Republic of Azerbaijan, Iranian Azerbaijan)[1]
Territorial
changes   South Caucasus falls under the control of the Caliphate. Northward Muslim expansion is stopped at Derbent.
 
Belligerents
Rashidun Caliphate (until 661)
Umayyad Caliphate (661–750)
Abbasid Caliphate (after 750)   Khazar Khaganate
Commanders and leaders
Abd al-Rahman ibn Rabi'a †
Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik
al-Jarrah ibn Abdallah †
Sa'id ibn Amr al-Harashi
Marwan ibn Muhammad
Yazid al-Sulami
Alp Tarkhan
Barjik †
Tar'mach
Hazer Tarkhan †
Ras Tarkhan
Bulchan
vte
Arab–Khazar wars
vte
Early Muslim expansion
The Arab–Khazar wars were a series of conflicts fought between the armies of the Khazar Khaganate and the Rashidun, Umayyad, and Abbasid caliphates and their respective vassals. Historians usually distinguish two major periods of conflict, the First Arab–Khazar War (c. 642–652) and Second Arab–Khazar War (c. 722–737);[2][3] the wars also involved sporadic raids and isolated clashes from the mid-seventh century to the end of the eighth century.

The wars were a result of attempts by the nascent Caliphate to secure control of the South Caucasus (Transcaucasia) and North Caucasus, where the Khazars were already established since the late 6th century. The first Arab invasion began in 642 with the capture of Derbent and continued with a series of minor raids, ending with the defeat of a large Arab force led by Abd al-Rahman ibn Rabi'a outside the Khazar town of Balanjar in 652. Large-scale hostilities then ceased, apart from raids by the Khazars and the North Caucasian Huns on the autonomous Transcaucasian principalities during the 660s and 680s. The conflict between the Khazars and the Arabs (now under the Umayyad Caliphate) resumed after 707 with occasional raids back and forth across the Caucasus Mountains, intensifying after 721 into a full-scale war. Led by distinguished generals al-Jarrah ibn Abdallah and Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik, the Arabs recaptured Derbent and the southern Khazar capital of Balanjar; these successes had little impact on the nomadic Khazars, however, who continued to launch devastating raids deep into Transcaucasia. In a major 730 invasion, the Khazars decisively defeated Umayyad forces at the Battle of Ardabil (killing al-Jarrah); in turn, they were defeated the following year and pushed back north. Maslama then recovered Derbent, which became a major Arab military outpost and colony, before he was replaced by Marwan ibn Muhammad (the future caliph Marwan II) in 732. A period of relatively-localized warfare followed until 737, when Marwan led a massive expedition north to the Khazar capital Atil on the Volga. After securing submission by the khagan, the Arabs withdrew.

The 737 campaign marked the end of large-scale warfare between the two powers, establishing Derbent as the northernmost Muslim outpost and securing Muslim dominance of Transcaucasia. At the same time, continuing warfare weakened the Umayyad army and contributed to the fall of the dynasty in the 750 Abbasid Revolution. Relations between the Muslims of the Caucasus and the Khazars remained largely peaceful thereafter, apart from two Khazar raids in the 760s and in 799 resulting from failed efforts to secure an alliance through marriage between the Arab governors (or local princes) of the Caucasus and the Khazar khagan. Occasional warfare continued in the region between the Khazars and the Muslim principalities of the Caucasus until the collapse of the Khazar state in the late 10th century, but the great eighth-century wars were never repeated.

Background and motives
The Caucasus as a frontier of civilizations
Old geophysical map of the environs of Derbent, with the fortifications of Derbent outlined
Roderich von Erckert map of the Sasanian fortifications of the Caspian Gates at Derbent
The Arab–Khazar wars were part of a long series of military conflicts between the nomadic peoples of the Pontic–Caspian steppe and the more settled regions south of the Caucasus. The two primary routes over the mountains, the Darial Pass (Alan Gates) in the centre and the Pass of Derbent (Caspian Gates) in the east along the Caspian Sea, have been used as invasion routes since classical antiquity.[1][4] Consequently, defence of the Caucasus frontier against destructive raids by steppe peoples such as the Scythians and the Huns came to be regarded as one of the chief duties of imperial regimes of the Near East.[4] This is reflected in the popular belief in Middle Eastern cultures that Alexander the Great had barred the Caucasus with divine assistance against the hordes of Gog and Magog. According to historian Gerald Mako, the latter were stereotypical "northern barbarians" as conceived by the settled civilizations of Eurasia: "uncivilized savages who drank blood, who ate children, and whose greed and bestiality knew no limits"; if Alexander's barrier failed and Gog and Magog broke through, the Apocalypse would follow.[5]

Starting with Peroz I (r. 457–484), the shahs of the Sasanian Empire built a line of stone fortifications to protect the vulnerable frontier on the Caspian shore; when completed under Khosrow I (r. 531–579), this stretched over 45 kilometres (28 mi) from the eastern foothills of the Caucasus to the Caspian Sea. The fortress of Derbent was the strategically crucial centre point of this fortification complex, as seen in its Persian name Dar-band, lit. 'Knot of the Gates'.[6][7] The Turkic Khazars appeared in the area of present-day Dagestan in the second half of the sixth century, initially as subjects of the First Turkic Khaganate; after the latter's collapse, they emerged as an independent, dominant power in the northern Caucasus by the seventh century.[7] As the most recent steppe power in the region, early medieval writers came to identify the Khazars with Gog and Magog[8] and the Sasanian fortifications at Derbent as Alexander's wall.[7]

The Khazars first campaigned in Transcaucasia during the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 as subjects of the Western Turkic Khaganate, who allied with the Byzantines in the Third Perso-Turkic War. The Turks sacked Derbent in 627, broke through the local Sasanian defences, and joined the Byzantines in their siege of Tiflis. 40,000 Khazars or Turks joined the Byzantine emperor Heraclius (r. 602–641) in his 628 invasion of Persia proper, which proved decisive, ending the war in a Byzantine victory.[9][10] For several years afterwards, as Sasanian power collapsed, the Khazars or Western Turks exercised some control over Caucasian Iberia (approximately present-day Georgia), Caucasian Albania (the modern Republic of Azerbaijan) and Adharbayjan (modern Iranian Azerbaijan); Armenia, the western half of Transcaucasia, was in Byzantine hands. However, after the death of the Khazar or Western Turkic ruler in an internal conflict c. 630 – c. 632, Khazar activity in eastern Transcaucasia ceased.[11][12] Tong Yabghu, the Western Turkic khagan, was assassinated by a rival faction around 630; the extension of Turkic-Khazar control into Transcaucasia was abandoned, and the region returned to Sasanian influence by 632.[13]

Opposing armies
The eastern Caucasus became the main theatre of the Arab–Khazar conflict, with the Arab armies aiming to gain control of Derbent (Arabic Bab al-Abwab, 'Gate of Gates') and the Khazar cities of Balanjar and Samandar. Their locations have yet to be established with certainty by modern researchers,[a] but both cities are referred to as Khazar capitals by Arab writers and may have been winter and summer capitals, respectively. Due to Arab attacks, the Khazars later moved their capital further north to Atil (Arabic al-Bayda) in the Volga Delta.[14][15]

Arabs
Like other Near Eastern peoples, the Arabs were familiar with the legend of Gog and Magog, who appear in the Quran (Yaʾjuj wa-Maʾjuj). After the early Muslim conquests, their perceptions incorporated many of the cultural concepts of their new subjects.[16] The nascent Muslim caliphate regarded itself as heir to the Sasanian—and, to a lesser extent, Byzantine—tradition and worldview. The Arab caliphs also adopted the notion that, according to Mako, it was their duty "to protect the settled, i.e. the civilized world from the northern barbarian". This imperative was reinforced by the Muslim division of the world into the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and the House of War (Dar al-Harb), to which pagan Turkic steppe peoples such as the Khazars were consigned.[17]

While their Byzantine and Sasanian predecessors simply sought to contain the steppe peoples through fortifications and political alliances, historian David Wasserstein writes that the Arabs were "expansionists interested in conquest"; their northward thrust threatened the survival of the Khazars as an independent polity.[18] Historian Khalid Yahya Blankinship agrees, highlighting that "the early Muslim caliphate was an ideological state" dedicated to the doctrine of jihad, "the struggle to establish God's rule in the earth through a continuous military effort against the non-Muslims".[19] The early Muslim state was geared to expand, with all able-bodied adult male Muslims subject to conscription.[20] The manpower pool was enormous, with historian Hugh N. Kennedy estimating that 250,000 to 300,000 men were inscribed as soldiers (muqatila) in the provincial army registers c. 700.[21]

Arab armies of the early Muslim conquests contained sizeable contingents of light and heavy cavalry,[22] but relied primarily on their infantry; Arab cavalry was often limited to skirmishing early in a battle before dismounting and fighting on foot.[23] The Arab armies resisted cavalry charges by digging trenches and forming a spear wall behind them.[24] This tactic indicates the discipline of the Arab armies, particularly the elite Syrian troops which were a de facto standing army. According to Kennedy, against nomadic peoples such as the Khazars, the Arabs' high degree of training and discipline "gave them the advantage over their enthusiastic but disorganised enemies".[25]

In the 8th century, Arab armies were often accompanied by local forces provided by the various local potentates, who not only were under Arab suzerainty, but often enough had suffered themselves by Khazar raids. Thus in 732 the presiding prince of Armenia, Ashot III Bagratuni, is known to have renewed an agreement for the employment of Armenian cavalry with the Arab army for three years, in exchange for 100,000 silver dirhams per year.[26]

Khazars
Black-and-white sketch of a pear-shaped jug, featuring a rider in mail armour and bearing a lance, holding a barefoot captive from the head
Ewer from the Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós, showing an early medieval armoured steppe warrior with a captive
The Khazars followed a strategy common to their nomadic predecessors; their raids might reach deep into Transcaucasia Mesopotamia and Anatolia but they were, according to historian Peter B. Golden, not aimed at conquest. Rather, Golden writes, they were "typical of nomads testing the defenses of their sedentary neighbors" and a means of gathering booty, the acquisition and distribution of which was fundamental to tribal coalitions. According to Golden, for the Khazars the strategic stake of the conflict was control of the Caucasus passes.[27] Albania was probably regarded by the Khazars as rightfully theirs, a legacy of the last Byzantine–Sasanian war.[28] According to historian Bori Zhivkov, "It is no surprise that they fought fiercely with the Arabs precisely for these lands up to the 730s".[28]

The sources do not provide details of the composition or tactics of Khazar armies, and the names of Khazar commanders are rarely recorded.[29] Although the Khazars adopted elements of the civilizations to their south and possessed towns, they remained a tribal, semi-nomadic power. Like other steppe societies originating in Central Asia, they had a mobile form of warfare and relied on skilled, hardy cavalry.[30] The rapid movements and sudden attacks and counterattacks of the Khazar cavalry are emphasized in the sources;[31] in the few detailed descriptions of pitched battles, the Khazar cavalry launched the opening attacks.[32] Heavy (cataphract) cavalry is not recorded, but archaeological evidence attests to the use of heavy armour for riders and (possibly) horses.[33] Khazar infantry must be assumed (especially during siege operations), although it is not explicitly mentioned.[33] Modern historians point to the use of advanced siege machines to indicate Khazar military sophistication, equal to that of other contemporary armies.[34][35] The less-rigidly-organized, semi-nomadic nature of the Khazar state also worked to their advantage against the Arabs; they lacked a permanent administrative centre, whose loss would paralyze the government and force them to surrender.[30]

The Khazar army was composed of Khazar troops and those of vassal princes and allies. Its overall size is unclear, and references to 300,000 men in the invasion of 730 are clearly exaggerated.[36] Historian Igor Semyonov observes that the Khazars "never entered into battle without having a numerical advantage" over their Arab opponents, which often forced the latter to withdraw. According to Semyonov, this attests to the Khazars' skill in logistics and their ability to gather accurate information about their opponents' movements, the layout of the country, and the condition of roads.[37]

Connection with the Arab–Byzantine conflict
To an extent, the Arab–Khazar wars were also linked to the long-lasting struggle of the Caliphate against the Byzantine Empire along the eastern fringes of Anatolia (a theatre of war which adjoined the Caucasus). The Byzantine emperors pursued close relations with the Khazars which amounted to an alliance for most of the period in question, including the marriage of emperor Justinian II (r. 685–695, 705–711) to a Khazar princess in 705.[38][39] The possibility of the Khazars linking with the Byzantines through Armenia was a grave threat to the Caliphate, especially given its proximity to the Umayyad Caliphate's metropolitan province of Syria.[1] This did not materialize; Armenia was left largely quiet, with the Umayyads granting it wide-ranging autonomy and the Byzantines refraining from actively campaigning there.[40] Given the common threat of the Khazar raids, the Umayyads found the Armenians (and the neighbouring Georgians) willing allies against the Khazars.[41]

Byzantinist Dimitri Obolensky suggested that the Arab expansion against the Khazars was motivated by a desire to outflank the Byzantine defences from the north and envelop the Byzantine Empire in a pincer movement, but this idea is rejected as far-fetched by modern scholars. As Wasserstein says, it is a scheme of extraordinary ambition which "requires us to accept that Byzantium had succeeded already at this primary stage in persuading the Muslims that it could not be conquered" and the Muslims possessed "a far greater knowledge and understanding of the geography of Europe" than can be demonstrated for the time in question. Mako agrees that such a grand strategic plan is not borne out by the rather limited nature of the Arab–Khazar conflict until the 720s.[42][43] It is more likely that the northward expansion of the Arabs beyond the Caucasus was, at least initially, the result of the onward momentum of the early Muslim conquests. Local Arab commanders of the period often exploited opportunities haphazardly and without an overall plan, sometimes pursuing expansion even against direct caliphal orders.[44] From a strategic perspective, it is more probable that the Byzantines encouraged the Khazars to attack the Caliphate to relieve mounting pressure on their eastern frontier in the early eighth century.[41] Byzantium profited from the diversion of Muslim armies northwards during the 720s and 730s, and the Byzantine–Khazar entente resulted in another marriage alliance between future emperor Constantine V (r. 741–775) and Khazar princess Tzitzak in 733.[45][46][c] Gaining control of the northern branch of the Silk Road by the Caliphate has been suggested as a further motive for the conflict. Mako disputes this claim, however, saying that warfare declined at the time of greatest Silk Road expansion, after the mid-eighth century.[49]

First war and aftermath
First Arab invasions
Old map of western Eurasia and northern Africa showing the expansion of the Caliphate from Arabia to cover most of the Middle East, with the Byzantine Empire outlined in green
The expansion of the Muslim Caliphate until 750, from William R. Shepherd's Historical Atlas.
  Muslim state at the death of Muhammad   Expansion under the Rashidun Caliphate   Expansion under the Umayyad Caliphate
  Byzantine Empire
The Khazars and the Arabs came into conflict as a result of the first phase of Muslim expansion; by 640, following their conquest of Byzantine Syria and Upper Mesopotamia, the Arabs had reached Armenia.[50][51] Arabic and Armenian sources differ considerably on the details and chronology of the Arab conquest of Armenia. In 652, apparently, the Armenian princes submitted to the Arabs; by 655, the Byzantine and Persian halves of Armenia had been subjugated.[51][52] Arab rule was overthrown during the First Muslim Civil War (656–661), but after its end the Armenian princes returned to their tributary status in the newly established Umayyad Caliphate.[53] The Principality of Iberia concluded a similar treaty with the Arabs, and only Lazica (on the Black Sea coast) remained under Byzantine influence.[51] Neighbouring Adharbayjan was conquered in 639–643;[54] raids were launched into Arran (Caucasian Albania) under Salman ibn Rabi'a and Habib ibn Maslama during the early 640s, leading to the submission of its cities. As in Armenia, firm Arab rule was not established there until after the First Muslim Civil War.[55]

According to Arab chroniclers, the first attack on Derbent was launched in 642 under Suraqa ibn Amr;[d] Abd al-Rahman ibn Rabi'a commanded his vanguard. Al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings reports that Shahrbaraz, the Persian governor of Derbent, offered to surrender the fortress to the Arabs and aid them against the unruly Caucasian peoples if he and his followers were relieved of the jizya tax. Shahrbaraz' proposal was accepted and ratified by Caliph Umar (r. 634–644).[57][58] Al-Tabari reports that the first Arab advance into Khazar lands occurred after the capture of Derbent. Abd al-Rahman ibn Rabi'a reached Balanjar with no losses, and his cavalry advanced up to 200 parasangs—about 800 kilometres (500 mi)—north as far as al-Bayda on the Volga, the future Khazar capital. This dating, and the improbable claim that the Arabs suffered no casualties, have been disputed by modern scholars.[14][59] Based at Derbent, Abd al-Rahman launched frequent small-scale raids against the Khazars and local tribes over the following years; nothing of note, however, is recorded in the sources.[60][61]

Disregarding the caliph's instructions for caution and restraint, Abd al-Rahman or (according to Baladhuri and Ya'qubi) his brother Salman[61] led a large army north in 652, aiming to take Balanjar. The town was besieged for several days, with both sides using catapults, until the arrival of a Khazar relief force and a sortie by the besieged forces ended in a decisive defeat for the Arabs. Abd al-Rahman and 4,000 Muslim troops were left dead on the field, and the rest fled to Derbent or Gilan in northern present-day Iran.[62][63]

Khazar and Hunnic raids into Transcaucasia
Due to the First Muslim Civil War and priorities on other fronts, the Arabs did not again attack the Khazars until the early eighth century.[64][65] Despite the re-establishment of Arab suzerainty after the end of the civil war, the tributary Transcaucasian principalities were not yet firmly under Arab rule and their resistance (encouraged by Byzantium) could not be overcome. For several decades after the initial Arab conquest, considerable autonomy was left to local rulers; Arab governors worked with them, and they had small forces of their own.[66] The Khazars refrained from large-scale interventions in the south; pleas for assistance by Yazdegerd III (r. 632–651), the last Sasanian shah, were unanswered.[67] After the Arab attacks, the Khazars abandoned Balanjar and moved their capital further north in an attempt to evade the Arab armies.[68] However, Khazar auxiliaries and Abkhazian and Alan troops are recorded as fighting alongside the Byzantines in 655.[67]

The only recorded hostilities in the second half of the century were a few Khazar raids into the Transcaucasian principalities which were loosely under Muslim dominion, primarily in search of plunder. In a raid into Albania in 661–62, they were defeated by the local prince. A large-scale raid across Transcaucasia in 683 or 685 (also a time of civil war in the Muslim world) was more successful, capturing much booty and many prisoners and killing the presiding princes of Iberia (Adarnase II) and Armenia (Grigor I Mamikonian).[3][69] At the same time, the North Caucasian Huns also launched attacks on Albania in 664 and 680. In the first incursion, Prince Juansher was obliged to marry the daughter of the Hunnic king. Modern scholars debate whether the Huns acted independently or as Khazar proxies, but several historians consider Hunnic ruler Alp Iluetuer a Khazar vassal; if so, Albania was under a form of indirect Khazar rule during the 680s.[70] The Umayyad caliph Mu'awiya I (r. 661–680) tried to counter Khazar influence by inviting Juansher to Damascus twice, and the 683/685 Khazar raid may have been a reaction to those invitations.[71] According to Thomas S. Noonan, on the other hand, the "cautious nature of Khazar policy in the Southern Caucasus" made them avoid direct confrontation with the Umayyads and intervene only during times of civil war.[72] Noonan writes that this caution was because the Khazars were themselves preoccupied with consolidating their rule of the Pontic–Caspian steppe, and were satisfied with the "limited goal of bringing Albania into the Khazar sphere of influence".[72]

Second war
Photograph of an ochre-coloured medieval fortress on a green hilltop, with higher green hills in the background
Naryn-Kala, the Sasanian-era citadel in Derbent
Relations between the two powers remained relatively quiet until the early eighth century, when the stage for a new and more intense round of conflict was set.[72] At the turn of the century, Byzantine political authority was marginalized in the Caucasus: the civil war in the Caliphate ended in 693, and the Umayyads were able to inflict significant defeats on the Byzantines, who descended into a long period of turmoil. The Arabs began a sustained offensive against Byzantium that would eventually culminate in the great assault on the Byzantine capital, Constantinople, in 717–718.[73][74][75] In the same period, the Caliphate tightened its grip on the Christian principalities of Transacaucasia. After the suppression of a large-scale Armenian rebellion in 705, Armenia, Iberia and Albania finally came under direct Arab rule as the province of Arminiya. Only western Transcaucasia (present-day Georgia) remained free from direct control by either of the two rival powers, who now confronted each other for control of the Caucasus.[72][76]

The first Arab advance came as early a 692/93, with an expedition to secure the pass of Derbent; but the Arab forces were soon forced to withdraw.[77][78] The conflict resumed in 707, with a campaign by Umayyad general Maslama, a son of Caliph Abd al-Malik (r. 685–705), in Adharbayjan and up to Derbent. Further attacks on Derbent are reported by different sources in 708 by Muhammad ibn Marwan, and the following year by Maslama, but the most likely date for Derbent's recovery by the Arabs is Maslama's 713/14 expedition.[14][79][80]

The eighth-century Armenian historian Łewond reports that Derbent was in the hands of the Huns at that time; the 16th-century chronicle Derbent-nameh says that it was defended by 3,000 Khazars, and Maslama captured it only after a resident showed him a secret underground passage. Łewond also says that the Arabs, realizing that they could not hold the fortress, razed its walls.[81] Maslama then drove deeper into Khazar territory, trying to subdue the North Caucasian Huns (who were Khazar vassals).[14][80] The Khazar khagan confronted the Arabs at the city of Tarku but, apart from a series of single combats by champions, the two armies did not engage for several days. The imminent arrival of Khazar reinforcements under the general Alp' forced Maslama to quickly abandon his campaign and retreat to Iberia, leaving his camp with all its equipment behind as a ruse.[82] At about the same time, 80,000 Khazars are reported to have raided Albania.[80]

In response, in 709 or c. 715, the Khazars invaded and raided Albania with an army claimed to be 80,000 strong.[83] In 717, the Khazars raided Adharbayjan in force. With the bulk of the Umayyad army occupied at the siege of Constantinople, Caliph Umar II (r. 717–720) reportedly could only spare 4,000 men to confront 20,000 invaders. The Arab commander Hatim ibn al-Nu'man nevertheless defeated and drove back the Khazars. Hatim returned to the caliph with fifty Khazar prisoners, the first such event recorded in the sources.[84][85]

Escalation of the conflict
Photo of both sides of a silver coin with Arabic inscriptions
Silver dirham, minted 707/8, possibly in Arab-ruled Caucasian Albania (Arabic Albanaq)
In 721/22, the main phase of the war began. Thirty thousand Khazars invaded Armenia that winter, and decisively defeated the mostly-Syrian army of local governor[e] Ma'laq ibn Saffar al-Bahrani at Marj al-Hijara (Rocky Meadow) in February and March 722.[88][89][90]

Caliph Yazid II (r. 720–724) sent al-Jarrah ibn Abdallah, one of his most celebrated generals, north with 25,000 Syrian troops in response.[91] The Khazars retreated to the area of Derbent (whose Muslim garrison was still holding out) at the news of his approach. Learning that the local Lezgin chief was in contact with the Khazars, al-Jarrah set up camp on the river Rubas and announced that the army would remain there for several days. Instead, he arrived at Derbent in a night march and entered it without resistance.[92][93] From there, al-Jarrah launched raiding columns into Khazar territory ahead of the bulk of his army. His army met a Khazar army at the river al-Ran, one day's march north of Derbent, after joining the columns. According to the Derbent-nameh, al-Jarrah had 10,000 men (of whom 4,000 were vassal princes); al-Tabari cites the Arab strength as 25,000. The Khazars, commanded by Barjik (one of the Khazar khagan's sons), reportedly numbered 40,000. The Arabs were victorious, losing 4,000 men to the Khazars' 7,000. Advancing north, the Arab army captured the settlements of Khamzin and Targhu and resettled their inhabitants elsewhere.[94][95]

Finally, the Arab army reached Balanjar. The city had had strong fortifications during the first Muslim attacks in the mid-seventh century, but apparently they had been neglected; the Khazars defended their capital by surrounding the citadel with a wagon fort of 300 wagons tied together with ropes, a common tactic among nomads. The Arabs broke through, storming the city on 21 August 722. Most of Balanjar's inhabitants were killed or enslaved, but a few (including its governor) fled north.[96][97][35] The booty seized by the Arabs was so large that each of the 30,000 horsemen—clearly an exaggeration by later historians—in the Arab army reportedly received 300 gold dinars.[98][99] Al-Jarrah is said to have ransomed the wife and children of Balanjar's governor, and the governor began informing him about Khazar movements. Muslim sources also say that the governor accepted an offer to recover all his belongings (and Balanjar) if he submitted to Muslim rule, but this is probably false.[98][100] At that time, so many Khazar prisoners were taken that al-Jarrah ordered some of them drowned in the Balanjar River.[98][99]

Al-Jarrah's army also reduced the neighbouring fortresses, and continued their march north. The strongly-garrisoned fortress city of Wabandar, with 40,000 households reported by the 13th-century historian Ibn al-Athir, capitulated in exchange for tribute. Al-Jarrah intended to advance to Samandar, the next major Khazar settlement, but cut his campaign short when he learned that the Khazars were gathering large forces there.[80][101][102] The Arabs had not yet defeated the main Khazar army, which (like all nomad forces) did not depend on cities for supplies. The presence of this force near Samandar and reports of rebellions among the mountain tribes in their rear forced the Arabs to retreat to Warthan, south of the Caucasus.[91][103][104] On his return, al-Jarrah reported on his campaign to the caliph and requested additional troops to defeat the Khazars.[103][104] This is an indication of the severity of the fighting and, according to Blankinship, that the campaign was not necessarily the resounding success portrayed in Muslim sources.[91] As Noonan comments, "though the [caliph] sent his best wishes, no further forces were dispatched" to the Caucasus front.[105]

Black-and-white sketch of a mountain defile, with a river crossed by a bridge
The Darial Pass c. 1861
In 723, al-Jarrah reportedly led another campaign into Alania via the Darial Pass. Sources say that he marched "beyond Balanjar", conquering several fortresses and capturing much loot, but offer few details. However, modern scholars consider this to probably be an echo (or, possibly, the actual date) of the 722 Balanjar campaign.[91][103][104] The Khazars raided south of the Caucasus in response, but in February 724, al-Jarrah decisively defeated them in a days-long battle between the rivers Cyrus and Araxes.[91] The new caliph, Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik (r. 724–743), promised to send reinforcements but failed to do so. In 724, al-Jarrah captured Tiflis and brought Caucasian Iberia and the lands of the Alans under Muslim suzerainty.[104][106][107] These campaigns made al-Jarrah the first Muslim commander to cross the Darial Pass, secured the Muslim flank against a possible Khazar attack through the pass, and gave the Arabs a second invasion route into Khazar territory.[107][108]

In 725, the caliph replaced al-Jarrah with his own half-brother Maslama, governor of the Jazira.[80][104][109] Maslama's appointment is considered by modern historians to attest to the importance placed by the caliph on the Khazar front, since he was one of the most distinguished generals of the Umayyad empire.[104][110] Nevertheless, Maslama remained in the Jazira for the time being, more concerned with operations against the Byzantines. In his stead, he sent al-Harith ibn Amr al-Ta'i to the Caucasus front. Al-Harith spent his first year consolidating Muslim rule in Caucasian Albania: he campaigned along the Cyrus against the regions of al-Lakz and Khasmadan, and was probably also preoccupied with supervising that year's census.[104][110][111] The following year, Barjik launched a major invasion of Albania and Adharbayjan. The Khazars laid siege to Warthan with mangonels.[110][34][112] Al-Harith defeated them on the Araxes and drove them north of the river, but the Arab position was clearly precarious.[110][34][112]

Maslama assumed personal command of the Khazar front in 727. The Arab commander was faced for the first time with the khagan himself, as both sides escalated the conflict.[34] Maslama took the offensive, probably reinforced with Syrian and Jaziran troops. He recovered the Darial Pass (which had been apparently lost after al-Jarrah's 724 expedition) and pushed into Khazar territory, campaigning there until the onset of winter forced him to return to Adharbayjan.[113][34] His second invasion, the following year, was less successful; Blankinship calls it a "near disaster". Arab sources report that the Umayyad troops fought for thirty or forty days in the mud, with continuous rain, before defeating the khagan on 17 September 728. The impact of their victory is questionable, however, as Maslama was ambushed by the Khazars upon his return, and the Arabs abandoned their baggage train and fled through the Darial Pass to safety.[114][115] After this campaign, Maslama was replaced yet again by al-Jarrah. Despite his energy, Maslama's campaigns failed to produce the desired results; by 729, the Arabs had lost control of northeastern Transcaucasia and were again on the defensive, with al-Jarrah having to defend Adharbayjan against a Khazar invasion.[114][116][117]

Battle of Ardabil and Arab reaction
In 729/30, al-Jarrah returned to the offensive through Tiflis and the Darial Pass. Ibn al-Athir reports that he reached the Khazar capital, al-Bayda on the lower Volga, but no other source mentions this; modern historians generally consider this improbable, possibly resulting from confusion with other events.[117][118][119] Al-Jarrah's attacks were followed by a massive Khazar invasion[f] (reportedly 300,000 men), which forced the Arabs to again retreat south of the Caucasus and defend Albania.[121][119]

It is unclear whether the Khazar invasion was through the Darial Pass, the Caspian Gates, or both. Different commanders are mentioned for the Khazar forces; Arab sources say that the invasion was led by Barjik (the khagan's son), and Łewond identifies Tar'mach as the Khazar commander.[119][122][123] Al-Jarrah apparently dispersed some of his forces, withdrawing his main army to Bardha'a and then to Ardabil.[121] Ardabil was the capital of Adharbayjan, and most of the Muslim settlers and their families (about 30,000) lived within its walls.[119] Informed of Arab movements by the prince of Iberia, the Khazars moved around al-Jarrah and attacked Warthan. Al-Jarrah rushed to assist the town; he is next recorded as being at Ardabil again, however, confronting the main Khazar army.[121][124]

After a three-day battle from 7 to 9 December 730, al-Jarrah's 25,000-man army was all but annihilated by the Khazars.[125][126][124] Al-Jarrah was among the fallen; command passed to his brother, al-Hajjaj, who could not prevent the sacking of Ardabil. The 10th-century historian Agapius of Hierapolis reports that the Khazars took as many as 40,000 prisoners from the city, al-Jarrah's army, and the surrounding countryside. The Khazars raided the province at will, sacking Ganza and attacking other settlements. Some detachments reached Mosul in the northern Jazira, adjacent to the Umayyad heartlands in Syria.[127][128][129]

The defeat at Ardabil—news of which spread even to Byzantium—was a shock to the Muslims, who faced an army penetrating deep into the Caliphate for the first time.[127][130] Caliph Hisham again appointed Maslama to fight the Khazars as governor of Armenia and Adharbayjan. Until Maslama could assemble enough forces, veteran military leader Sa'id ibn Amr al-Harashi was sent to stem the Khazar invasion.[131][132][133] With a lance reportedly used at the Battle of Badr as a standard for his army and with 100,000 dirhams to recruit men, Sa'id went to Raqqa. The forces he could muster immediately were apparently small, but he set out to meet the Khazars (possibly disobeying orders to maintain a defensive stance). Sa'id encountered refugees from Ardabil along the way and enlisted them into his army, paying each recruit ten gold dinars as inducement.[127][132]

Sa'id was fortunate. The Khazars had dispersed in small detachments after their victory at Ardabil, plundering the countryside, and the Arabs defeated them one by one.[133] Sa'id recovered Akhlat on Lake Van, then moved northeast to Bardha'a and south to relieve the siege of Warthan. He encountered a 10,000-strong Khazar army near Bajarwan and defeated it in a surprise night attack, killing most of the Khazars and rescuing their 5,000 Muslim prisoners (who included al-Jarrah's daughter). The surviving Khazars fled north, with Sa'id in pursuit.[134][131][135] Muslim sources record a number of other, heavily embellished attacks by Sa'id on improbably-large Khazar armies; in one, Barjik was reportedly killed in single combat with the Umayyad general. Generally considered "romance rather than history", according to British orientalist Douglas M. Dunlop, they may be contemporary, but imaginative, retellings of Sa'id's campaign against the Khazars.[136][135] According to Blankinship, "The various battles fought and rescues of Muslim prisoners achieved by Sa'id in these sources seem to all go back to a single battle near Bajarwan".[137]

Sa'id's unexpected success angered Maslama; Łewond writes that Sa'id had won the war and received what glory (and booty) there was to be had. Sa'id was relieved of his command in early 731 by Maslama and imprisoned at Qabala and Bardha'a, charged with endangering the army by disobeying orders, and was released (and rewarded) only after the caliph intervened on his behalf.[138][139][140] Noonan points out that the jealousies between the Arab commanders, and their rapid turnover, adversely impacted their war effort, as it "inhibited the development and execution of a long-term strategy for dealing with the Khazar problem".[141]

Garrisoning of Derbent
Maslama took command of a large army, and immediately took the offensive. He restored the provinces of Albania to Muslim allegiance (after punishing the inhabitants of Khaydhan who resisted him) and reached Derbent, where he found a Khazar garrison of 1,000 men and their families.[140][142] Leaving al-Harith ibn Amr al-Ta'i at Derbent, Maslama advanced north. Although details of this campaign may be conflated in the sources with the 728 campaign, he apparently took Khamzin, Balanjar, and Samandar before being forced to retreat after a confrontation with the main Khazar army under the khagan. Leaving their campfires burning, the Arabs withdrew in the middle of the night and quickly reached Derbent in a series of forced marches. The Khazars shadowed Maslama's march south and attacked him near Derbent, but the Arab army (augmented by local levies) resisted until a small, elite force attacked the khagan's tent and wounded him. The Muslims, encouraged, then defeated the Khazars.[143][144][145] The Khazar commander Barjik may have been killed in this battle or campaign.[146][147]

Taking advantage of his victory, Maslama poisoned the water supply of Derbent to drive the Khazar garrison out. He re-established the city as an Arab military colony, restoring its fortifications[g] and garrisoning it with 24,000 troops, mostly from Syria, divided into quarters by their district (jund) of origin.[146][149][150] Leaving his relative Marwan ibn Muhammad (later the last Umayyad caliph, from 744 to 750) in command at Derbent, Maslama returned with the rest of his army (primarily the favoured Jaziran and Qinnasrini contingents) south of the Caucasus for the winter; the Khazars returned to their abandoned towns.[146][149][151] Maslama's record (despite the capture of Derbent) was apparently unsatisfactory to Hisham, who replaced his brother in March 732 with Marwan ibn Muhammad.[146]

That summer, Marwan led 40,000 men north into Khazar lands. Accounts of this campaign are confused. Ibn A'tham records that he reached Balanjar and returned to Derbent with much captured livestock, but the campaign also experienced heavy rain and mud. Reminiscent of descriptions of Maslama's 728 and 731 expeditions, the veracity of Ibn A'tham's account is doubtful. Ibn Khayyat reports that Marwan led a far more limited campaign on the region just north of Derbent, retiring there for the winter.[152][153] Marwan was more active in the south, appointing Ashot III Bagratuni presiding prince of Armenia; this effectively gave the country broad autonomy in exchange for the service of its soldiers in the Caliphate's armies. According to Blankinship, this unique concession indicates the Caliphate's worsening manpower crisis.[154][155] Around this time, the Khazars and Byzantines strengthened their ties and formalized their alliance against the Arabs with the marriage of Constantine V to the Khazar princess Tzitzak.[156][157]

Marwan's invasion of Khazaria and end of the war
After Marwan's 732 expedition, a period of quiet began. Sa'id al-Harashi replaced Marwan as governor of Armenia and Adharbayjan in spring 733, but undertook no campaigns during the two years of his governorship.[153][158] Blankinship attributes this inactivity to the exhaustion of the Arab armies and draws a parallel with the 732–734 quiet phase in Transoxiana, where the Arabs had also experienced a series of costly defeats at the hands of the Türgesh (another Turkic steppe power).[159] Marwan reportedly criticised the policy followed in the Caucasus to Caliph Hisham, recommending that he be sent to deal with the Khazars with an army of 120,000 men. When Sa'id asked to be relieved due to failing eyesight, Hisham appointed Marwan to replace him.[151][153]

Marwan returned to the Caucasus c. 735, determined to launch a decisive blow against the Khazars, but was apparently unable to launch anything but local expeditions for some time. He established a new base of operations at Kasak, about twenty parsangs (roughly 120 km or 75 mi) from Tiflis and forty from Bardha'a, and his initial expeditions were against minor local potentates.[160][161] Agapius of Hierapolis and the 12th-century historian Michael the Syrian record that the Arabs and Khazars concluded a peace during this period, which Muslim sources ignore or explain as a short-lived ruse by Marwan to buy time for preparations and mislead the Khazars about his intentions.[162][159]

Photograph of a ruined medieval stone-built fortress on a green hilltop in autumn, with the Caucasus mountains in the background
The medieval citadel of Anakopia in 2016
In the meantime, Marwan consolidated his rear. In 735, the Umayyad general captured three fortresses in Alania (near the Darial Pass) and Tuman Shah, the ruler of a North Caucasian principality who was restored to his lands by the caliph as a client. Marwan campaigned the following year against Wartanis, another local prince, whose castle was seized and its defenders killed despite their surrender; Wartanis tried to flee, but was captured and executed by the inhabitants of Khamzin.[161] Marwan also subdued the Armenian factions who were hostile to the Arabs and Ashot, their client. He then pushed into Iberia, driving its ruler to seek refuge in the fortress of Anakopia on the Black Sea coast in the Byzantine protectorate of Abkhazia. Marwan besieged Anakopia, but was forced to retire due to an outbreak of dysentery in his army.[163] His cruelty during the invasion of Iberia earned him the epithet "the Deaf" from the Iberians.[151]

Marwan prepared a massive strike against the Khazars for 737 to end the war. He apparently went to Damascus to ask Hisham for support; the 10th-century historian Bal'ami says that his army numbered 150,000 men, including regular forces from Syria and the Jazira, jihad volunteers, Armenian troops under Ashot Bagratuni, and armed camp followers and servants. Whatever the size of Marwan's army, it was the largest ever sent against the Khazars.[163][162][164] He attacked simultaneously from two directions. Thirty thousand men (including most of the levies from the Caucasian principalities) under Derbent governor Asid ibn Zafir al-Sulami advanced north along the Caspian coast, and Marwan crossed the Darial Pass with the bulk of his forces. The invasion met little resistance; Arab sources report that Marwan had detained the Khazar envoy and only released him (with a declaration of war) when he was deep in Khazar territory. The two Arab armies converged on Samandar, where a review was held; according to Ibn A'tham, the troops were issued new white clothing—the Umayyad dynastic colour—and new spears.[163][164][165] Marwan then advanced, according to some Arab sources, to the Khazar capital of al-Bayda on the Volga. The khagan withdrew towards the Ural Mountains, but left a considerable force to protect the capital.[166][167] This was a "spectacularly deep penetration", according to Blankinship, but of little strategic value; the 10th-century travellers Ibn Fadlan and Istakhri describe the Khazar capital as little more than a large encampment, and there is no evidence that it had been larger or more urbanized in the past.[168]

Photograph of people in shirtsleeves working amidst the excavated foundations of ancient buildings
Excavations at Samosdelka, identified by some archaeologists as the Khazar capital al-Bayda (Atil)[169]
The subsequent course of the campaign is only chronicled by Ibn A'tham and other sources drawing from his work.[170][h] According to this account, Marwan ignored al-Bayda and pursued the khagan north along the west bank of the Volga; the Khazar army, under the tarkhan (a high-ranking dignitary in Turkic states), shadowed the Arab advance from the east bank. The Arabs attacked the Burtas, whose territory extended to that of the Volga Bulgars and who were Khazar subjects, taking 20,000 families (40,000 people in other accounts) captive.[167][170][173] The Khazars avoided battle, and Marwan sent a detachment of 40,000 troops across the Volga under al-Kawthar ibn al-Aswad al-Anbari. The Khazars were surprised in a swamp; ten thousand Khazars were killed in the ensuing battle (including the tarkhan), and 7,000 were captured.[170][173] [174]

This appears to have been the only fighting of the campaign between the Arabs and Khazars,[170][175] and the Khazar khagan soon requested peace. Marwan reportedly offered "Islam or the sword", and the khagan agreed to convert to Islam. Two faqihs (experts in Islamic law) were sent to instruct him on the details of religious observance; the prohibition of wine, pork, and unclean meat is especially noted.[176][172][177] Marwan also brought a large number of Slav and Khazar captives south, whom he resettled in the eastern Caucasus; al-Baladhuri reports that about 20,000 Slavs were settled at Kakheti, and the Khazars were resettled at al-Lakz. The Slavs soon killed their appointed governor and fled north, and Marwan pursued and killed them.[177][178][179]

Marwan's 737 expedition was the climax of the Arab–Khazar wars, but its results were meagre. Although the Arab campaigns after Ardabil may have discouraged the Khazars from further warfare,[178] recognition of Islam or Arab supremacy by the khagan was evidently based on the presence of Arab troops deep in Khazar territory, which was unsustainable.[177][180] The withdrawal of the Arab armies, followed by the Muslim civil wars of the740s and the subsequent collapse of the Umayyad regime in the Abbasid Revolution certainly "left little political pressure to remain Muslim", according to Golden.[181] Even the credibility of the khagan's conversion to Islam is disputed by modern scholars; al-Baladhuri's account, which is probably closest to the original sources, suggests that it was not the khagan but a minor lord who converted to Islam and was placed in charge of the Khazars at al-Lakz. Blankinship cites this as indicating the implausibility of the khagan's conversion, since those Khazars who actually converted to Islam had to be moved to safety in Umayyad territory.[170]

The khagan's conversion is also contradicted by the fact that the Khazar court is known to have embraced Judaism as its faith. Dunlop placed this as early as c. 740, but the process is not well documented and was apparently gradual; it was certainly underway in the last decades of the eighth century, according to historical sources, and numismatic evidence indicates that it was probably complete by the 830s.[182][183] The conversion was primarily confined to the Khazar elites, and Christianity, Islam, and paganism remained widespread among the Khazar subjects,[184] and even members of the royal house are known to have professed Islam—and thus been barred from ascending the throne.[185] Many modern scholars believe that the Khazar elites' conversion to Judaism was a means of stressing their own identity as separate from (and avoiding assimilation by) the Christian Byzantine and Muslim Arab empires with which they were in contact, and was a direct result of the 737 events.[186][187]

Aftermath and impact
Whatever the real events of Marwan's campaigns, warfare between the Khazars and the Arabs ceased for more than two decades after 737.[155] Arab military activity in the Caucasus continued until 741, with Marwan launching repeated expeditions against minor principalities in the area of present-day Dagestan.[j][190][191] Blankinship says that these campaigns more closely resembled raids, designed to seize plunder and extract tribute to ensure the upkeep of the Arab army, than attempts at permanent conquest.[192] Dunlop on the other hand writes that Marwan came "within an ace of succeeding" in his conquest of Khazaria, and suggests that the Arab commander "apparently intended to resume operations against the khagan at a later date" which never materialized.[193]

Despite the Umayyad establishment of a more-or-less stable frontier anchored at Derbent,[76][192] they could not advance any further (despite repeated efforts) in the face of Khazar resistance. Dunlop drew parallels between the Umayyad–Khazar confrontation in the Caucasus and that between the Umayyads and the Franks at roughly the same time across the Pyrenees, which ended with the Battle of Tours; according to Dunlop, like the Franks in the west, the Khazars played a crucial role in stemming the tide of early Muslim conquest.[194] This view was also shared by the Soviet historian and Khazar expert Mikhail Artamonov,[195] as well as by Golden.[196] According to Golden, during the long conflict the Arabs "had been able to maintain their hold over much of Transcaucasia"; despite occasional Khazar raids, this "had never really been seriously threatened". In their failure to push the border north of Derbent, however, the Arabs were clearly "reaching the outer limits of their imperial drive".[197]

Blankinship considers the Caliphate's limited gains in the second war as disproportionate to the resources expended; Arab control was limited to the lowlands and coast, and the land was too poor to replenish the Umayyad treasury. The large garrison at Derbent further depleted the already-overstretched Syro-Jaziran army, the main pillar of the Umayyad regime.[192] The weakening of the Syrian army by its dispersion across the Caliphate's fronts was eventually the major factor in the fall of the Umayyad dynasty during the Muslim civil wars of the 740s and the subsequent Abbasid Revolution.[198]

Balanjar was no longer mentioned after the Arab–Khazar wars, but a people known as "Baranjar" was later recorded as living in Volga Bulgaria—probably descendants of the original tribe which gave the town its name and resettled there as a result of the wars.[199] Soviet and Russian archaeologists and historians such as Murad Magomedov [ru] and Svetlana Pletnyova consider the eighth-century emergence of the Saltovo-Mayaki culture in the steppe region between the Don and Dnieper Rivers as resulting from the Arab–Khazar conflict, since Alans from the North Caucasus were resettled there by the Khazars.[200]

Later conflicts
Map of Europe and the Mediterranean basin showing the polities of the year 814 in various colours
Map of Europe and the Mediterranean in the early ninth century
The Khazars resumed their raids on Muslim territory after the Abbasid succession in 750, reaching deep into Transcaucasia. Although the Khazars had re-consolidated control of Dagestan almost to Derbent by the ninth century, they never seriously attempted to challenge Muslim control of the southern Caucasus.[177] At the same time, the new Abbasid dynasty's hold on its empire was too tenuous for a resumption of the ambitious Umayyad offensives.[201] According to Thomas S. Noonan, "[T]he Khazar-Arab Wars ended in a stalemate",[202] followed by a gradual rapprochement that encouraged the growth of trade between the two empires: hoards of Arab coins in Eastern Europe suggest that the second half of the 8th century marks the start of the trade routes linking the Baltic and Eastern Europe, with the Caucasus and the Middle East.[203][204]

The first conflict between the Khazars and the Abbasids resulted from a diplomatic manoeuvre by Caliph al-Mansur (r. 754–775). Attempting to strengthen the Caliphate's ties with the Khazars, he ordered governor of Armenia Yazid al-Sulami to marry a daughter of the khagan Baghatur c. 760. The marriage took place, but she and her child died in childbirth two years later. The khagan, suspecting the Muslims of poisoning his daughter, raided south of the Caucasus from 762 to 764. Led by the Khwarezmian tarkhan Ras, the Khazars devastated Albania, Armenia and Iberia, and captured Tiflis. Yazid escaped capture, but the Khazars returned north with thousands of captives and much booty.[177][205] When the deposed Iberian ruler Nerse tried to induce the Khazars to campaign against the Abbasids and restore him to his throne in 780, the khagan refused. This was probably the result of brief anti-Byzantine Khazar foreign policy resulting from disputes in the Crimea; at this time, the Khazars helped Leon II of Abkhazia throw off Byzantine rule.[177][206]

Peace reigned in the Caucasus between the Arabs and Khazars until 799, and the last major Khazar attack into Transcaucasia. Chroniclers again attribute the attack to a failed marriage alliance.[177] Georgian sources say that the khagan wanted to marry Shushan, the beautiful daughter of Prince Archil of Kakheti (r. 736–786), and sent his general Bulchan to invade Iberia and capture her. Most of central K'art'li was occupied, and Prince Juansher (r. 786–807) was taken captive for several years. Shushan committed suicide rather than be captured, and the furious khagan had Bulchan executed.[207][k] Arab chroniclers attribute the conflict to plans by the Abbasid governor al-Fadl ibn Yahya (a Barmakid) to marry one of the khagan's daughters, who died on the journey south. A completely different story is reported by al-Tabari; the Khazars were invited to attack by a local Arab magnate in retaliation for the execution of his father, the governor of Derbent, by the general Sa'id ibn Salm. According to the Arab sources, the Khazars raided as far as the Araxes against troops led by Yazid ibn Mazyad (the new governor of Transcaucasia) and reserve forces led by Khuzayma ibn Khazim.[177][206][209]

Arabs and Khazars continued to clash sporadically in the North Caucasus during the ninth and 10th centuries, but the warfare was localized and far less intense than the eighth-century wars. The Ottoman historian Münejjim Bashi records a period of warfare from c. 901 to 912, perhaps linked to the Caspian raids of the Rus' at about the same time (whom the Khazars permitted to cross their lands unhindered).[210] For the Khazars, peace on the southern border became more important as new threats to their hegemony emerged in the steppes.[211] The Khazar threat receded with their progressive collapse in the 10th century and defeats by the Rus' and other Turkic nomads such as the Oghuz Turks. The Khazar realm contracted to its core around the lower Volga, removed from the reach of the Arab Muslim principalities of the Caucasus; Ibn al-Athir's reports of a war between the Shaddadids of Ganja with the "Khazars" in 1030 probably refers, instead, to the Georgians. The last Khazars found refuge among their former enemies; Münejjim Bashi records that in 1064, "the remnants of the Khazars, consisting of three thousand households, arrived in Qahtan [somewhere in Dagestan] from the Khazar territory. They rebuilt it and settled in it".[212]

Notes
 On suggestions about its location, see Semyonov 2008, pp. 283–284
 For more details, see Albrecht 2016 and the literature referenced there.
 According to Thomas S. Noonan, the significance of this marriage should not be overestimated; Byzantium was more hard-pressed by the Arab attacks than the Khazars, both sides could provide little tangible help to one another,[47] and there is no evidence of further Byzantine–Khazar relations for half a century.[48] Noonan call the marriage "purely symbolic, a gesture of solidarity and no more".[47]
 Nothing else is known about Suraqa ibn Amr other than his overall command of the 642 Derbent campaign and that he shared the nickname 'Dhu al-Nur' with his deputy, Abd al-Rahman ibn Rabi'a.[56]
 The task of facing the Khazars during the Second Arab–Khazar War fell on the Umayyad governors of Arminiya and Adharbayjan, the two provinces being governed in tandem at the time and usually combined with the governorship of the Jazira province.[86][87]
 Łewond reports that the Khazar invasion was preceded by the death of the khagan, leaving his widow Parsbit as ruler over the Khazars.[117] Consequently, Semyonov suggests that al-Jarrah's raid against al-Bayda may indeed have reached al-Bayda, or at least succeeded in killing the khagan, and that the subsequent invasion was launched as a campaign of vengeance.[120]
 Later Arabic accounts of Maslama's fortification activity have deliberate echoes of the similar endeavours under Khosrow I, as well as the legendary Wall of Alexander against the Gog and Magog.[148]
 Artamonov notes that most Arabic sources about the campaign are vague, with little detail, and that Armenian historians only mention Arab attacks on the lands of the North Caucasus Huns and the capture of Barachan (Balanjar).[171]
 According to medieval Arab geographers, the land of the Burtas was 15–20 days' journey north of al-Bayda, putting it in present-day Mordovia.[172]
 The Arabic sources list expeditions to extract tribute (a levy of slaves and annual grain supplies for Derbent) and impose obligations of military assistance against the principalities of Sarir, Ghumik, Khiraj (or Khizaj), Tuman, Sirikaran, Khamzin, Sindan (also known as Sughdan or Masdar), Layzan (or al-Lakz), Tabarsaran, Sharwan, and Filan.[188][189]
 According to Semyonov, these events are mis-dated and should be attributed to the 730 Khazar invasion; Semyonov also suggests that Juansher's seven-year captivity coincides with the end of the second war.[208]
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Re: History
« Reply #136 on: September 06, 2023, 05:03:22 PM »
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« Reply #138 on: October 30, 2023, 08:09:14 AM »

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« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2023, 11:42:00 AM »
A good topic for Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs":

After his eldest son died falling off a scaffold while holding up a severed head for the crowd
his younger son took over and it was he who finished off Marie Antionette

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Henri_Sanson

PS :  what a charming family business !
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Zegota
« Reply #140 on: November 04, 2023, 08:36:56 AM »
The only government sponsored organization in Europe formed and designed to save Jews during the Nazi reign of terror:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBegota

This counters the pervading image of Poles as being collaborators of the Nazis.

I came across this while reading up on Janusz Korczak, the pen name of Henryk Goldszmit[1] (22 July 1878 or 1879 – 7 August 1942).

The man who went with his 190 + orphans to give them  as much loving support as they all went to die in Treblinka.
He was offered a way out by Zegota but he refused and stayed with his children.

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Never again! That is why Israelis must fight.

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« Reply #142 on: November 24, 2023, 02:34:03 PM »



https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roman-emperor-actually-trans-woman-165908571.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sLmZhY2Vib29rLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALoNbjTgqq14TrAho64aJ1JOrRPn_Rv9PPkhFh497zXaQoDqDQxpN_uJL7DcfJ_w-PWe8ooPc4LFigvz6GEEm_WOOx7miA5-1IGHRKeiEw0DHJioKSUGv1Q2QKGJuZjZySWH1OKr2a_rdSDvTGlhyATBYtOGrXYxb50QJ4ueqpp5

My friend the history teacher writes:

I was waiting for this to happen.  This guy was insane and considered to be on the level of a Caligula or Nero.
He ruled from the age of 14 to 18 and was assassinated.  He raped and tortured people.  Threw live snakes at his guests.
Yes he dressed up like a woman and wanted a vagina.  Bc he was fucking INSANE.  The romans were very open minded about sexual stuff and even to them he was seen as a horrible deviant.

Alla

But here they portray him as some kind of a progressive and call him an Empress.  They respect his choice of pronouns? And by the way, he only wanted to be called that when he was with the guy he was in a relationship with.  Not all the time.


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Patton's real speech June '44 just prior to the invasion
« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2023, 11:08:14 AM »
more unbelievable than the tones down George Scott version in the movie 'Patton':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton%27s_speech_to_the_Third_Army

Can anyone imagine today's woke generals giving a speech like this?

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Historical look at accounts of Napoleon's last words
« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2023, 10:41:22 AM »
the movie may be wrong - >  "“France, the army, head of the army, Joséphine,"
though some accounts back up at least part of it:

the evidence:

https://shannonselin.com/2015/05/napoleons-last-words/


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« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2024, 01:05:15 PM »
What Nigel Biggar says about the British Empire

Samizdata.net / by Brendan Westbridge (London) / January 10, 2024 at 03:02AM

We are constantly being told by that coalition of communists and racists that talk about “de-colonisation” that the British Empire was a Bad Thing and that therefore we whiteys should a) be ashamed, b) tear down any monuments to that empire and c) give all our money and wealth to the descendents of the alleged victims of that empire. This despite the fact that there is almost no one alive who had anything to do with said empire. There is no force for good like inter-generational guilt.

For some time Oxford Academic Nigel Biggar has been discomfited by this claim and these demands. In 2017, he was denounced by “fellow” academics for running an “Empire and Ethics” project. Last year saw the publication of his book Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning. This itself was something of a palaver with Biggar’s original publisher dropping the thing in what appeared to be a cancellation. Luckily there is still some competition in the publishing world and another publisher came to the rescue.

Biggar is at pains to point out that he is an ethicist not a historian. He deals in moral issues not historical ones; hence the title of the book. Well, that’s the theory but with over a hundred pages of footnotes it would appear he is quite good at the not-day job.

He examines the various claims that the “de-colonisers” make: Amritsar, slavery, Benin, Boer War, Irish famine. In all cases he finds that their claims are either entirely ungrounded or lack vital information that would cast events in a very different light.. Amritsar? Dyer was dealing with political violence that had led to murder. Some victims had been set alight. Anyway, he was condemned for his actions by the British authorities and, indeed, his own standing orders. Slavery? Everyone had it and Britain was the first to get rid of it. Benin? They had killed unarmed ambassadors. Irish famine? They tried to relieve it but they were quite unequal to the size of the task. In the case of Benin he comes very close to accusing the leading de-coloniser of knowingly lying. The only one of these where I don’t think he is so convincing is the Boer War. He claims that Britain was concerned about the future of the Cape and especially the Simonstown naval base and also black rights. I think it was the pursuit of gold even if it does mean agreeing with the communist Eric Hobsbawm.

He is far too polite about the “de-colonisers”. They are desperate to hammer the square peg of reality into their round-hole of a theory. To this end they claim knowledge they don’t have, gloss over inconvenient facts, erect theories that don’t bear scrutiny and when all else fails: lie. Biggar tackles all of these offences against objectivity with a calmness and a politeness that you can bet his detractors would never return.

The communists – because they are obsessed with such things and are past masters at projection – like to claim that there was an “ideology” of Empire. Biggar thinks this is nonsense. As he says:
There was no essential motive or set of motives that drove the British Empire. The reasons why the British built an empire were many and various. They differed between trader, migrant, soldier, missionary, entrepreneur, financier, government official and statesman. They sometimes differed between London, Cairo, Cape Town and Calcutta. And all of the motives I have unearthed in this chapter were, in themselves, innocent: the aversion to poverty and persecution, the yearning for a better life, the desire to make one’s way in the world, the duty to satisfy shareholders, the lure of adventure, cultural curiosity, the need to make peace and keep it, the concomitant need to maintain martial prestige, the imperative of gaining military or political advantage over enemies and rivals, and the vocation to lift oppression and establish stable self-government. There is nothing morally wrong with any of these. Indeed, the last one is morally admirable.[/i]

One of the benefits of the British Empire is that it tended to put a stop to local wars. How many people lived because of that? Bthat leads us on to another aspect. Almost no one ever considers what went on before the Empire arrived. Was it better or worse than went before it? Given that places like Benin indulged in human sacrifice, I would say that in many cases the British Empire was an improvement. And if we are going to talk about what went before what about afterwards? He has little to say about what newly-independent countries have done with their independence. The United States, the “white” (for want of a better term) Commonwealth and Singapore have done reasonably well. Ireland is sub-par but OK. Africa, the Caribbean and the Indian sub-continent have very little to show for themselves. This may explain why Britain needed very few people to maintain the Empire. At one point he points out that at the height of the Raj the ratio of Briton to native was 1 to 1000. That implies a lot of consent. Tyrannies need a lot more people.

The truth of the matter is that talk of reparations is rooted in the failure of de-colonisation. If Jamaica were a nicer place to live than the UK, if Jamaica had a small boats crisis rather than the UK then no one would be breathing a word about reparations or colonial guilt. All this talk is pure deflection from the failure of local despots to make the lives of their subjects better.

Biggar has nothing to say about what came after the empire and he also has little to say about how it came about in the first place – so I’ll fill in that gap. Britain acquired an empire because it could. Britain was able to acquire an Empire because it mastered the technologies needed to do it to a higher level and on a greater scale than anyone else. Britain mastered technology because it made it possible to prosper by creating wealth. That in itself was a moral achievement.

Of course, modern Britons don’t actually need to justify the Empire. As I pointed out at the beginning none of us had anything to do with it. You could argue (does anyone actually do this?) that we current-day Britons are the inheritors of the same culture and perhaps we should be ashamed about that. Except that I am not in the mood to condemn a culture that produced the rule of law, freedom of speech, property rights and the Industrial Revolution. Anyway, does anyone seriously think that modern British culture would be capable of giving birth to a second empire? Culture changes. The other argument is that many of us continue to be the beneficiaries of the Empire. At very least those who have started with nothing and yet are still on the hook for reparations are entitled to feel a bit miffed. But one only has to look around to see that most of Britain’s prosperity is much more recent in origin. Sure, that big house might have originally been built from a slaver’s profits but if a more recent person hadn’t kept the roof intact it would be a ruin by now.

A narrative about a rapacious British Empire is being used to first humiliate and shame modern Britons in preparation for their impoverishment and eventual extermination. OK, maybe I am getting ahead of myself here but I’ll bet you some of them of thinking that. There is certainly nothing in the “decolonisation” belief system to prevent it. Biggar’s achievement is to demonstrate that – if you do believe in intergenerational guilt  – there is nothing to be ashamed of.

https://www.samizdata.net/2024/01/what-nigel-biggar-says-about-the-british-empire/

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the genesis of the corrupt MSM and DC Newt
« Reply #146 on: January 16, 2024, 05:58:58 PM »
Nixon to Trump
the corrupt media and DC :

https://spectator.org/trump-should-learn-from-watergate/

personally, I always felt that Nixon was railroaded by a bunch of partisan dirtballs
and never quite accepted their 'story'.
I was annoyed by their hypocrisy and virtue signaling then and more so now.

Especially when everyone but Nixon stood to benefit.





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if only
« Reply #147 on: March 17, 2024, 09:01:04 AM »
Roosevelt/Truman had called for a truce with Nazi Germany before they entered Germany.

and called for Truce against Japan prior to dropping nucs......

if only Israel would call a truce just before finishing (mostly) off Hamas.....



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The top hat
« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2024, 07:37:49 AM »

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periods of time we had NO VP
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