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WSJ: Old School is better
« Reply #1951 on: November 22, 2021, 01:59:06 PM »
Losing by Five, With 1,400 Votes Rejected
In a squeaker House race, bad mail votes are 275 times the margin.
By The Editorial Board
Nov. 21, 2021 4:32 pm ET


The headlines say a House election in Florida has been won by a mere five votes, 11,662 to 11,657, which is a remarkable piece of news. But here’s what those reports are missing: Nearly 1,400 mail ballots were thrown out for one reason or another. If this isn’t a warning about the perils of trusting your vote to the postman, it’s hard to know what would be.

The Nov. 2 election was a primary in the 20th Congressional District, a safe Democratic seat formerly held by Rep. Alcee Hastings, who died in April at age 84. After recounts and the typical arguing over some disputed ballots, Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick was certified last week as the Democratic nominee with a five-vote victory. She will almost certainly prevail in the January special election.

Yet what a mess: 1,253 mail votes were tossed for missing the Election Day deadline, according to staff at Broward and Palm Beach counties. Of those, 294 were postmarked before Election Day, meaning these voters probably assumed they’d done everything right. Another 708 had missing or illegible postmarks, so there’s no way to know when they were mailed. That’s an alarming failure rate for the U.S. Postal Service.

In addition to the tardy ballots, 140 mail votes were rejected for other reasons, county staff say. Forty of them were unsigned. Seventy-eight signatures were mismatched or otherwise faulty. A dozen and a half were ballots for the wrong precinct or wrong party, since Florida has closed primaries for registered partisans only.


The result is an ambiguous hash: In an election decided by five votes, who knows what another 1,400 might have done? The second-place candidate at one point said he was considering his legal options, and he probably regrets not urging his supporters to vote in person.


This is a real problem with widespread mail voting, and it isn’t getting enough attention. One screwy primary in a safe House district isn’t a threat to the republic, but George W. Bush won Florida—and thus the White House in 2000—by 537 votes. The federal Election Assistance Commission reports that, during the voting in November 2020, Florida rejected 13,919 mail ballots. The figure for Michigan is 20,480, and 34,171 for Pennsylvania.

The Democratic answer is for states to change their laws so that mail votes will be valid long after Election Day. Under H.R.1, the bill the House passed in March to take over voting rules, mail ballots would be valid for 10 days after the fact, provided they were either postmarked on time or “signed by the voter on or before the date of the election.”

Letting the counting drag on that long would be corrosive to public trust. Look no further than former President Trump’s wild fraud claims about 2020, which were aided by the muddled information coming out of laggard states like Pennsylvania. Clearly the USPS’s postmarks are not a reliable fail-safe, and unpostmarked ballots are open to charges of backdating. States should stick to clear Election Day deadlines.

A better solution to these problems is simply to get back to pre-Covid normalcy. If you’re sick or out of town during the voting period, by all means get a mail ballot and send it in early, or drop it off yourself. If not, then we should see you at the polling place, where messy handwriting and postal oversights won’t stand in the way of your vote being counted.


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de Blasio was against it ; but alas, and of course new Democrat is for it
« Reply #1953 on: November 23, 2021, 03:16:57 PM »
Mayor Bill de Blasio indicated he could veto the bill following the September hearing.

“We’ve done everything that we could possibly get our hands on to help immigrant New Yorkers—including undocumented folks—but…I don’t believe it is legal,” de Blasio told WNYC radio at the time.

However, mayor-elect Eric Adams submitted testimony to the September hearing in favor of the bill.

“In a democracy, nothing is more fundamental than the right to vote and to say who represents you and your community in elected office,” Adams said. “Currently, almost one million New Yorkers are denied this foundational right.”


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Hogan Gidley: Election Integrity Starts with Voter ID
« Reply #1954 on: November 24, 2021, 03:32:41 AM »
Election integrity starts with voter ID

It is now more difficult to eat out a restaurant in New York City than it is to vote

By Hogan Gidley

The results of the Virginia gubernatorial election shocked the political world with an unsuspected, unpredicted red takeover of a traditionally blue state. While the Republican candidate prevailed, the Commonwealth’s election process was not without its share of many documented problems.

There were reports of voter intimidation regarding poll workers lying to voters, telling them “wearing a mask was required to vote.” It wasn’t. Tens of thousands of mail-in ballots were found to have addresses that did not match the voter’s address on the voter rolls. Attempts were made to count mail-in ballots without social security numbers – which is illegal.

Whether you like or loathe the Virginia election outcome, these problems are gravely troubling. Similar issues have occurred in many other states proving that much work still needs to be done at the local level if we are going to have faith, trust, and confidence in the results of our elections.

That effort starts with ensuring that a government-issued photo ID is required to vote.

We live in a society where showing a government-issued photo ID to participate in the simplest of things is a constant necessity – making the liberal’s concerns over this common-sense, simple security measure quite confusing. A governmentissued photo ID is needed to buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, open a bank account, get on a plane, buy a house, rent an apartment, pick up tickets for a game at “Will Call,” and collect food stamps.

In fact, while you know liberal offi ceholders enacted a law in New York City requiring a vaccine passport to eat at a restaurant, what you may not know, is that as a required companion piece of documentation – it is mandated you show a photo ID to prove the passport is yours. A liberal New York City council member correctly – but without a single shred of self-awareness regarding his inconsistent position – pointed out a requirement to produce a photo ID is “to help reduce fraud.”

“Reduce fraud?” Yea, you’re telling me. (If you are keeping score at home, it is now more difficult to eat out a restaurant in New York City than it is to vote, but I digress.)

That politicians’ admission of simple truth acknowledges what every study proves – photo ID prevents fraud.

Even Europe knows this. Forty-six out of the forty-seven countries in Europe require a photo ID to vote. In fact, the United Kingdom is the only country that has been holding out, but it is changing course – announcing that a photo ID will be required in future elections. The move comes on the heels of a recent report showing massive voter fraud in European elections, and that voter ID is an integral component to fighting against it.

So, why does the need for photo ID in our everyday life not evoke the same vitriolic venom and outcry from liberals that are requiring a photo ID when voting does? It’s an interesting question when you consider polling data proves photo voter ID is a wildly popular issue.

A recent poll conducted by Scott Rasmussen shows 82% of the American people believe you “should show photo ID in order to vote.” This includes 69% of African American voters, 78% of Hispanic American voters, 60% of Democrats, and 77% of Independents. Another poll shows that nine in ten Americans believe voter ID in elections is “common-sense.” Furthermore, 72% of Americans say photo ID requirements increase their confidence in elections. While detractors use false, divisive language to describe supporters for photo ID, it’s clear by the numbers that the American people aren’t buying it.

Photo voter ID does not suppress voter turnout either, as a recent Harvard Business School study shows: Voter ID laws have no negative effect on registration or turnout overall for any group defined by race, gender, age, or party.

Furthermore, requiring photo voter ID in just about every other aspect of our lives does not spark cries of “racism,” nor should it. So why does requiring a photo voter ID to vote spark such outrage? The bottom line here is voter ID is a crucial component in protecting the sanctity of a citizen’s vote. For that reason, the Center for Election Integrity (CEI) feels it is important for state governments to provide photo identification free of charge if necessary – like in Georgia and eight other states.

CEI has a clear mission: “Easy to Vote, but Hard to Cheat.” We believe requiring government-issued photo ID to vote is a vital measure needed to protect voters and the integrity of the electoral process.

Regardless of whether you like the outcome of Virginia’s elections or any other political contest for that matter, the data proves measures like voter ID are popular, will prevent fraud, and help bring back confidence in the outcome of elections. With all of that in mind, why are so many of the progressive elites and members of mainstream media so vehemently opposed to it?

You decide


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Sen. Cruz vs. Woken Dead witnesses
« Reply #1956 on: November 28, 2021, 02:02:07 PM »



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non citizen vote approved in DeBlasio's NYC
« Reply #1959 on: December 11, 2021, 10:15:03 AM »
 :-(

what a slap in the face to those of us who are citizens!


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DOJ cover up in Arizona
« Reply #1960 on: December 15, 2021, 09:02:23 AM »


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Zuck's hundreds of millions to corrupt the election
« Reply #1962 on: December 18, 2021, 02:54:28 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/.../irs-filing-confirms.../
“The 2020 presidential election witnessed an unprecedented and coordinated public-private partnership to improperly influence the 2020 presidential election on behalf of one particular candidate and party. Funded by hundreds of millions of dollars from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and other high-tech interests, activist organizations created a two-tiered election system that treated voters differently depending on whether they lived in Democrat or Republican strongholds,” Amistad Project Director Phill Kline wrote in the report’s executive summary.


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The SEIU appears on our radar screen again
« Reply #1964 on: December 22, 2021, 04:11:09 AM »
Conservative groups want recusals from NLRB members in SEIU lawsuit

BY DAVE BOYER THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A coalition of nine conservative groups on Tuesday asked two Biden-appointed members of the National Labor Relations Board to recuse themselves from a major case involving their former employer, the powerful Service Employees International Union.

In a letter to the NLRB, the groups said board members David Prouty and Gwynne Wilcox in the pending case brought by the SEIU have “troubling confl icts of interest” that undermine the agency’s “commitment to impartiality.”

“Taxpayers and consumers deserve an NLRB that does not put its thumb on the scale for political purposes,” wrote the groups, which include Heritage Action, the National Taxpayers Union and the FreedomWorks Foundation.

Mr. Prouty served as general counsel for SEIU Local 32BJ from 2017 until last June, when President Biden appointed him to the NLRB.

Ms. Wilcox served as associate general counsel of 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East.

Their Senate confirmations in July gave Democrats control of the five-member board, which is expected to reverse a slew of Trump-era labor rules.

The SEIU is the nation’s second- largest union and, with its PAC, is a major donor to Democratic candidates, including about $8 million for the Biden campaign in 2020.

NLRB Chair Lauren McFerran, responding to criticism from Republican lawmakers about the alleged conflicts, announced last month that the agency’s designated ethics official told Mr. Prouty and Ms. Wilcox that they may participate in the NLRB’s decision involving a lawsuit filed by the SEIU.

Ms. McFerran said they have an obligation “to faithfully fulfi ll our role as board members when, as here, participation in the board’s deliberations is appropriate.”

The SEIU is challenging a Trump-era rule on “joint employment,” which makes it harder for parent companies to be held liable for labor violations committed by franchisees.

The SEIU wants a new ruling by the NLRB that would make it easier for unions to sue large corporations when franchisees violate labor laws.

Mr. Prouty and Ms. Wilcox said last month they would not recuse themselves, and Tuesday’s letter asked them to reconsider.

The NLRB’s decisions on recusals have come under fire previously.

In 2018, a report by NLRB Inspector General David Berry cited “serious and flagrant” problems with the board’s ethics procedures, saying that members can take part in rulings that indirectly help former clients, as long as the client isn’t a party in the case.

The board also vacated a 2017 decision after finding that a Trump appointee, William Emanuel, should not have taken part in a landmark ruling tied to his former law firm.

The conservative groups seeking the recusals in the SEIU case noted that Mr. Prouty signed on to the union’s letter in 2019 in opposition to the Trump joint employer rule that he will now review.

Among Ms. Wilcox’s former clients was an SEIU-affiliated group called “Fight for $15,” which filed lawsuits opposing the Trump-era joint-employer laws.

“It is critical that independent federal agencies, especially those with sweeping power over the U.S. economy like the NLRB, act in a fair manner that upholds the law without preference towards organized labor or employers,” the groups wrote.

“This is especially relevant as organized labor is lobbying for more power through unprecedented increases of civil penalties in the H.R. 5376, the Build Back Better Act and H.R. 842, the devastating Protecting the Right to Organize (PRO) Act,” they wrote.

The NLRB did not respond to a request for comment about the letter from the conservative groups.

In announcing last month that Mr. Prouty and Ms. Wilcox would not recuse themselves, the NLRB said its ethics official “found that no applicable ethics statute, regulation, or other provision required Member Wilcox or Member Prouty to recuse themselves from the board’s consideration of and response to the lawsuit.”

The board said its decision was “based on an assessment of the relevant facts, their participation would not raise appearance concerns about lack of impartiality.”



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cancel filibuster for voting rights (cheating ) bill
« Reply #1966 on: December 23, 2021, 08:49:42 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/biden-filibuster-voting-rights-change-rules/2021/12/23/id/1049754/

this is what dems do when they cannot legitimately get their way with power grabs
or convince voters to vote for them

they try to cheat

sick ..... :-(

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Redistricting will not harm Dems
« Reply #1967 on: December 24, 2021, 02:48:15 AM »
Redistricting shows no reason for Democrats’ alarm

Maps give edge to Biden-leaning areas

BY KERRY PICKET THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Redistricting has added to the number of Biden-leaning districts for upcoming elections, according to an analysis that contradicts Democrats’ narrative that Republicans were reaping a significant advantage from partisan gerrymandering.

Cook Political Report Senior Editor David Wasserman said this week that congressional lines across the country have yet to be finalized, but “Bidenwon congressional districts” seem to be outnumbering Trump-won districts.

“National update: on the current trajectory, there will actually be a few *more* Biden-won congressional districts after redistricting than there are now (224/435),” he said in a post on Twitter.

Mr. Wasserman said in a subsequent tweet that “there are going to be dozens of narrowly Biden-won seats that are very tenuous for Dems in a rough cycle (esp. in AZ, OH, MI, VA, NV). The biggest threat to Dems’ House majority isn’t redistricting; it’s Biden’s approval rating.”

Democrats and their activist allies predicted that Republican-led state legislatures would gerrymander congressional districts and “cheat” the party into power.

The Democrats said only the For the People Act could counteract the effects of Republican gerrymandering.

The legislation allows for voting by mail in each state. It also would lower the threshold in certain states so voters who do not meet ID requirements can sign affidavits during federal elections. Voters could register on the same day they cast ballots, whether during the early voting period or on Election Day. “Ballot harvesting” would expand to states where it is currently illegal.

“The stakes could not be higher: This year alone, 19 Republican-controlled state legislatures have enacted 33 laws to disenfranchise voters while

Republican-appointed judges continue to rip away hard-won voter protections in the courts,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, said in late October after Senate Republicans blocked the bill.

“This all-out assault on the sanctity of the ballot is silencing the voices of voters — especially voters of color – and diminishing their say in the destiny of our democracy,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

She said, “House Democrats have led the charge to reverse this anti-democratic tide and return power to the American people. Our For the People Act tears down many barriers to the ballot box, prohibits partisan gerrymandering and combats dark, special interest money in politics.”

On Oct. 2, 2019, former Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. tweeted a Slate article about how state lawmakers “get away with gerrymandering.”

Mr. Holder commented, “Important article. Behind closed doors, Republicans are preparing to gerrymander themselves into power again. They will cheat - that’s what it is: cheating - to win elections unless the people stop them. Join the movement for FAIR maps @ allonthline.”

Early this month, former President Barack Obama said during a virtual fundraiser benefiting the National Democratic Redistricting Committee that Republican-majority legislatures were “passing laws designed to prevent American citizens from exercising their right to vote and drawing congressional maps that drown out the voice of ordinary people.

“Rather than argue, based on ideas, they are trying to tilt the playing field. And they aren’t even waiting for Election Day to do it. Their plan is to control state legislatures and congressional delegations before a single vote is cast. That is not how democracy is supposed to work.”

Robert Reich, a secretary of labor in the Clinton administration, tweeted in August, “make no mistake: If Dems don’t pass the For the People Act, the GOP is going to gerrymander their way to a House majority – and they may never give it up.”

The Democrats’ dire predictions about the redistricting process did not pan out.

After considering the final redistricting maps in California, Arizona and New Jersey, Mr. Wasserman concluded that the state-by-state decennial process of changing district lines after the census is “shaping up to be close to a wash” and that the biggest casualties are competitive seats.

In the 27 states that are at least nearly finished with their congressional maps, districts with a Trump Partisan Voting Index (PVI) of +5 or more increased from 106 to 117 seats and districts with a Biden PVI of +5 or more rose from 138 to 144, he said. Highly competitive seats in swing districts dropped 44%, from 34 to 19 seats.

“AZ commission (two Rs, two Ds, one tie-breaker) votes *unanimously* to approve new congressional map that would’ve split 5-4 for Biden in 2020. But #AZ01 (Biden +1.4) and #AZ06 (Biden +0.1) are highly tenuous, so GOP has a great opportunity to go 6R-3D in 2022,” Mr. Wasserman tweeted.

Longtime Democratic election lawyer Marc Elias wrote of the new Arizona map, “It is disappointing that the AZ Commission produced an illegally gerrymandered map. Arizonians deserve better. Arizona will be sued.”

Mr. Wasserman responded to Mr. Elias’ lawsuit threat. “Hearing increasing concerns from Dem members of Congress that the party’s legal apparatus filing a ton of dead-end lawsuits (for example, AZ map passed w/ unanimous bipartisan support) could diminish their side’s credibility in the suits that actually matter,” he said.

In New Jersey, Democratic Reps. Josh Gottheimer, Mikie Sherrill and Andy Kim are no longer in swing districts. The state’s bipartisan commission sliced out their districts’ conservative regions.

Fellow Democratic Rep. Tom Malinowski’s district received more Republican- leaning areas, making him more vulnerable next year. In 2020, he eked out a win against Republican state Sen. Tom Kean Jr., who plans to run again this cycle.

Meanwhile, districts became redder for two New Jersey Republicans: Reps. Jefferson Van Drew, a newcomer to the party, and Chris Smith, the state’s longest-serving member of Congress.

As a result of the redistricting, however, Mr. Smith’s district will no longer have his home county of Hamilton.


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ET: Voter rolls
« Reply #1968 on: December 27, 2021, 02:32:42 AM »
Effort to update voter lists gains ground after 2020 election

Dead people, noncitizens, other impostors still on rolls

BY STEPHEN DINAN THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Public Interest Legal Foundation went to Pennsylvania with a list of tens of thousands of people who were likely dead but still on the state’s voter rolls in the weeks before the 2020 election.

The state was totally uninterested, according to Christian Adams, the organization’s founder. But once the election was over, Mr. Adams says, the state changed its tune.

It went into mediation with PILF, agreed to look into the list and even agreed to a settlement paying some of the group’s lawyers’ fees.

The kicker, though, was that Pennsylvania prosecutors even brought charges against a man who, according to PILF’s data, had registered his dead wife to vote, then requested her ballot in the 2020 election.

“All of the sudden they’re happy to settle, and to clean up their rolls,” Mr. Adams told The Washington Times.

He said it’s not a fluke. The aftermath of the 2020 elections has opened new opportunities for election-integrity advocates, who say they’re seeing signs of better cooperation from at least some jurisdictions.

Last year’s contest exposed what those involved in voter administration have known for years — national elections are not an exact science, but rather an approximation of the will of voters in the weeks surrounding early November.

How close an approximation is still heatedly debated. But it’s become clear to many that dirty voter rolls, lost or miscounted votes and mishandled ballots are more common than one might have imagined.

The difference in 2020 is that one of the candidates, then-President Trump, argued those usual flaws, combined with

more preposterous speculation about machines switching votes and dumping ballots, “stole” the White House.

While his claims still have traction among some Trump supporters, the more complicated work of cleaning up the very real problems with dead people, noncitizens and other bogus voters remains.

Mr. Adams said his experience with Pennsylvania shows that in some states, the new attention from 2020 has helped.

“A virtual army has arisen of the grass roots, who are not worried about magic voting machines, and recognize the real work of election administration. These people are pressuring states to follow the law and remove dead voters,” Mr. Adams said.

But not every state is more receptive in the wake of 2020.

PILF last month sued Michigan over nearly 26,000 dead voters whom the group says Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson won’t remove. And this month PILF sued Colorado just to get a look at the state’s records on removing ineligible voters.

Those on the other side of the voter wars also are fighting back.

The League of Women Voters sued Wisconsin last week to try to force the state to “reactivate” nearly 32,000 voters who were purged from the rolls “without warning.”

The pool of registered voters has become a battleground as states move to make it easier to vote by mail.

Voting-rights activists say striking names means legitimate but infrequent voters will have a tougher time casting ballots.

Election integrity experts say the more bad names on a list, the more chances there are for fraud.

A ballot mailed out to a deceased voter is one that can be filled out and mailed back by someone else. It’s illegal, but unless someone is out there actively looking for it, it’s tough to spot.

Mr. Adams said he’s noticed an even more worrying trend — dead voters actually registering, then voting.

That was the case for Judy C. Presto, who died in 2013. Mr. Adams has a photo of her grave.

Yet she still managed to file a registration request in August 2020, and cast a ballot in October. Prosecutors say her husband voted in her name by mail.

PILF says it found 114 people in Pennsylvania who appear to have registered to vote after their deaths were recorded.

Tom Fitton, president of the conservative Judicial Watch watchdog group, another group that polices voter rolls, said the key moment for election integrity came a few years back, when the Supreme Court reaffirmed the requirement in federal law that states have to take steps to clean up their lists.

That gives activists a hefty stick, but plenty of states are still resistant.

“Our perception is that states that are not cleaning up the rolls won’t clean up the rolls until they’re called on it,” he said.

There are some dangers to conservatives in the new focus on election integrity.

Analysts argue that Mr. Trump’s questioning of Georgia’s handling of elections helped convince thousands of GOP voters to stay home in that state’s Senate runoff elections this year, costing Republicans two seats — and control of the Senate.

Still to be seen is whether Mr. Trump’s relitigation of the 2020 election will keep GOP voters at home for the 2022 midterms.

But the former president also has helped a broader set of conservatives realize what’s at stake in the administration of elections.

“Conservative activists have realized they have to have a seat at the table,” Mr. Fitton said. “Typically the administration of elections has been ceded to the left, and partisans. And so conservatives are trying to get involved.”


Voter rolls are becoming a bigger battleground in elections. Voting-rights activists say striking names means legitimate but infrequent voters will have a tougher time casting their ballots. Opponents fear fraud. ASSOCIATED PRESS

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Electoral process, vote fraud, The Wisconsin Purchase, Zuckerberg
« Reply #1969 on: December 27, 2021, 06:36:28 AM »
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-wisconsin-purchase/

There is something strange about big money from far away trying to buy influence in other states.  While I sent 100 to Larry Elder to help get his campaign started, Zuckerberg sent a half billion to the swing states to buy this far Left outcome.


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James Earl
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non citizens now can vote in NYC.
« Reply #1974 on: January 09, 2022, 08:48:12 AM »

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1975 on: January 09, 2022, 09:00:50 AM »
as for states the have *all mail in*

The only one I could see makes sense is Alaska

Nevada - from the way it sounded this is so Harry Reid
could cheat

get his soldiers out to get all the union people to cheat........with ballet harvesting

to be able to get the numbers he needs to always miraculously pull out the election at the end.


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1976 on: January 09, 2022, 09:17:46 AM »
as for states the have *all mail in*

The only one I could see makes sense is Alaska

Nevada - from the way it sounded this is so Harry Reid
could cheat

get his soldiers out to get all the union people to cheat........with ballet harvesting

to be able to get the numbers he needs to always miraculously pull out the election at the end.

Exactly correct.

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ex president still working full time to continue to divide
« Reply #1977 on: January 09, 2022, 10:30:01 AM »
all the while using rich donors to build a billion $ shrine to himself of course - the greatest human to have lived - perhaps he would make an exception for Mohammad :

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/09/politics/michelle-obama-2022-elections-fight-for-vote/index.html

playing up the race card as he has always done with his racist wife

"The former first lady laid out a plan of action and said within the next year, When We All Vote and the coalition of other organizations will work to "recruit and train at least 100,000 volunteers" and "register more than a million new voters."
Obama said the coalition will also enlist thousands of lawyers to protect American voters, work to educate Americans on how to ensure their vote is safe and encourage at least 100,000 Americans to call on their Senators in support of the Freedom to Vote Act"

Again republicans are the threat to democracy.....

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1979 on: January 10, 2022, 07:46:51 AM »
***Definitely a left of center source, but the piece has much info of interest:

https://www.propublica.org/article/heeding-steve-bannons-call-election-deniers-organize-to-seize-control-of-the-gop-and-reshape-americas-elections***

get OUR armies out to get ballots in

(not really legal but should we offer then 5$ more then they pay per vote?)

were does anyone think that Lebron Opray and Zuck money actually goes for;
it ain't for drop boxes I would think.........

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1980 on: January 10, 2022, 08:49:47 AM »
If the stop the steal movement was wrong about what happened in 2020, and we don't know that, wouldn't we still want to stop the steal going forward?

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Marc Elias one of the designers of 2020 mostly illegal ballot harvesting
« Reply #1981 on: January 11, 2022, 08:10:45 AM »
https://conservativebrief.com/top-dem-3-57772/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=PP


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Elias

of course has to be a Jewish Democrat  lawyer.

The democrat lawyers are behind most of these things and many a am sad to say are jews

it is not bigoted to point out the truth

we do have a few on our side (Marc Levin, Dan Horowitz ). who are fighting off the Jewish power hungry commies .....

As  a jew  look to them with pride
and to the others with shame and disgust

to say we do not have unusual influence is just wrong






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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1982 on: January 11, 2022, 10:50:10 AM »
Exactly so.

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Electoral security, The Big Lie
« Reply #1983 on: January 11, 2022, 12:08:39 PM »
Slow Joe and Chuck U Schumer are running around pretending this is 1860 and that blacks can't get ID or something.  What a bunch of BS.  When do blacks and minorities get tired of being spoken aloud of as inept and stupid?

Meanwhile I had to provide two forms of ID at Walmart to get vaccinated.  I've seen blacks fly same as whites providing ID to do so, and they had minorities at the Democratic National Conventions over the years, ID required.

Each voter and each vote checked and tracked all the way through with no room for error, that's all we ask.

The GOP needs to win the election security issue - RIGHT NOW. 
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Update, add these:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/voting-rights-lies-and-videotape.php
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-gop-pushes-back-on-democratic-big-lie
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/democrats-propose-a-federal-speech-czar/
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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1984 on: January 11, 2022, 02:05:45 PM »
"Slow Joe and Chuck U Schumer are running around pretending this is 1860 and that blacks can't get ID or something.  What a bunch of BS."

they say they are fighting for the right to vote

we say they are fighting for the (legalization) of the right to cheat 



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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #1987 on: January 11, 2022, 02:58:50 PM »
Mexico too, and India as well if I am not mistaken.

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« Reply #1988 on: January 11, 2022, 03:05:43 PM »
Mexico too, and India as well if I am not mistaken.

Usually the left fcuking LOVES anything Europe does. Funny how they don’t seem to care for this much.

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Kurt on how Dems out gerrymander us
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Vote fraud: The Other Biden Inflation
« Reply #1992 on: January 17, 2022, 09:44:18 PM »
Let's say your vote was worth $1 before they diluted it - enough for them to win every election
  What is it worth now?

I think we should go on a search for the 81 million. 

Right after we hold a microsecond of silence for the zero people killed by armed Trump supporters during the "insurrection".
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Re: Vote fraud: The Other Biden Inflation
« Reply #1993 on: January 17, 2022, 09:56:51 PM »
You'll need a Ouija Board to contact more than a few of them.


Let's say your vote was worth $1 before they diluted it - enough for them to win every election
  What is it worth now?

I think we should go on a search for the 81 million. 

Right after we hold a microsecond of silence for the zero people killed by armed Trump supporters during the "insurrection".
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Re: Vote fraud: The Other Biden Inflation
« Reply #1994 on: January 18, 2022, 10:15:16 AM »
https://off-the-reservation.com/2021/12/24/coincidence/

You'll need a Ouija Board to contact more than a few of them.


Let's say your vote was worth $1 before they diluted it - enough for them to win every election
  What is it worth now?

I think we should go on a search for the 81 million. 

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4/29/21 FL law curbs mail voting and drop boxes
« Reply #1995 on: January 18, 2022, 10:20:12 AM »
Florida legislature approves measure that curbs mail voting and use of drop boxes
A worker at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department brings an official ballot drop box into the building after polls closed in the August 2020 primary election in Doral, Fla.
A worker at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department brings an official ballot drop box into the building after polls closed in the August 2020 primary election in Doral, Fla. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
By Amy Gardner
April 29, 2021 at 10:58 p.m. EDT



Florida’s legislature on Thursday night became the latest to approve far-reaching legislation imposing new rules on voting and new penalties for those who do not follow them, passing a measure critics said would make it harder for millions of voters to cast ballots in the Sunshine State.

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who named voting security one of his top legislative priorities this year, said late Thursday night on Fox News that he “of course” would sign the bill.

Like similar bills Republicans are pushing in dozens of state legislatures across the country, the Florida measure adds hurdles to voting by mail, restricts the use of drop boxes and prohibits any actions that could influence those standing in line to vote, which voting rights advocates said is likely to discourage nonpartisan groups from offering food or water to voters as they wait in the hot Florida sun.


One week after it was signed into law, Georgia's Republican-led voting overhaul is facing backlash from a growing number of voting rights advocates. (Mahlia Posey/The Washington Post)
The passage of the bill was preceded by an hour of emotional debate, as Black lawmakers stood up to decry a measure they said was aimed squarely at curbing the clout of voters of color.

“You are making policies that are detrimental to our communities,” said an emotional state Rep. Angela Nixon (D), describing herself as “distraught and disheartened.”

Both Democrats and Republicans, including DeSantis, hailed Florida’s administration of the November 2020 election as a model for the nation. Former president Donald Trump won the state by more than three points.

Nevertheless, DeSantis has said new restrictions are needed to shore up election security. “So we think we led the nation, but we're trying to stay ahead of the curve to make sure that these elections are run well,” DeSantis said in a Fox News segment with other GOP governors Thursday hosted by Laura Ingraham.


Democrats and voting rights advocates counter that the new measure is instead aimed at making it harder for some Floridians to cast ballots — and to appease constituents who believe Trump’s false claims that the election was stolen.

“The governor praised Florida’s election performance as the gold standard, then he quickly pivoted to the national narrative, claiming without evidence that there was fraud and voting irregularities that would plague the state without these changes,” state Sen. Janet Cruz, a Democrat from Tampa, said in an interview this week. “If you can’t win by promoting the best candidate, you win by making it harder for the other side to vote.”

Cruz and other critics said the bill curtails poll access in a variety of ways that will intimidate, confuse and otherwise make it harder for people to vote by mail, which is popular in Florida. In November, more than 4.8 million Floridians — more than 40 percent of the fall electorate — cast mail ballots.


The new hurdles will probably produce longer lines during both early in-person and Election Day voting, she and others said.

As the voting rights fight moves to Texas, defiant Republicans test the resolve of corporations that oppose restrictions

The law’s top two GOP proponents, Rep. Blaise Ingoglia and Sen. Joe Gruters, did not respond to requests for interviews. But in committee hearings and floor debate, numerous Republicans defended the measure as necessary to ensure the integrity of elections.

“Why wouldn’t you want to do that?” Rep. Thomas J. Leek said during House debate Wednesday. “I’ve heard repeatedly that we’re trying to fix something that is not broken. But I guarantee you those same people who are making that argument today would come back in 2022 when the system breaks and complain that we didn’t anticipate things that we should have anticipated. This bill fixes those things.”

In February, DeSantis hailed “the most transparent and efficient election anywhere in the country” — but in the same speech, he said more restrictions on mail voting were needed to “stay ahead of the curve.” DeSantis is a close ally of Trump, who spent much of 2020 deriding mail voting as rife with fraud.


The Florida bill makes it harder to use drop boxes to deposit mail ballots, a voting method that was widely embraced last year because of the coronavirus pandemic.

The legislation prohibits mobile drop boxes, and it requires local election supervisors to staff all drop boxes and to allow ballots to be dropped in them only during early-voting hours. Supervisors who leave a drop box accessible outside those hours are subject to a civil penalty of $25,000. The state’s association of county election supervisors opposes the law.

The bill also limits who may turn in a voter’s ballot, allowing only certain family members to do so or limiting individuals to turning in the ballots of just two nonfamily members.

Voting rights groups said the provisions are unnecessary and could suppress turnout.

“You could go down the street to a mailbox and put that ballot with a stamp in the mail, and there’s no one standing there asking you for identification,” said Patti Brigham, president of the Florida League of Women Voters, a nonpartisan voting rights group, who added that officials have uncovered no evidence of the kind of ballot collection, or “harvesting,” that Republicans say they are trying to prevent. “That’s ridiculous. And it’s voter intimidation.”


Florida’s legislation comes after Georgia Republicans passed an extensive overhaul of that state’s voting rules, a measure that quickly emerged as a flash point in a state with a long history of disenfranchising voters of color. In Texas, GOP lawmakers have proposed bills that take aim at new means of voting embraced in cities such as Houston last year.

The restrictions proposed by Florida Republicans drew sharp criticism from Black lawmakers there, who rose one after another during a House debate Wednesday to condemn the legislation.

They said the bill would make voting particularly difficult for minorities, who more often struggle with transportation and work nonstandard hours in the service sector in Florida’s tourism-dependent economy, relying more heavily on after-hours drop boxes.

The additional barriers made it hard not to conclude that the law is intended to suppress the vote, they said — an ugly reminder of Florida’s embrace of Jim Crow laws in the 20th century.


“It’s a sad day for me personally because people like me, not too long ago, in recent history, were not able to vote,” said Rep. Geraldine Thompson (D).

“I grew up in the South,” said Thompson, who is 72. “When I look at my birth certificate, under race, I’m listed as Colored. And when I went to school, all of my school records showed that I was Negro.”

Thompson told a rapt House chamber of a lynching in Orange County, her current home, in 1920. The victim, a prominent Black businessman named Julius “July” Perry, tried to vote in the local election and was told he had not paid his poll taxes. A mob abducted him from his home in front of his wife and children, hanged him and used his body for target practice.

Thompson also invoked the memory of civil rights leaders Harry T. Moore and his wife, Harriette, who founded a branch of the NAACP in Brevard County. The two died after a bomb was planted under their home on Dec. 25, 1951, and after both were driven to a hospital 30 miles away because one closer refused to treat them.


“On behalf of July Perry, who wanted to vote in 1920, on behalf of Harry T. Moore, who was killed on Christmas night in 1951, on behalf of his wife, Harriette, who died nine days later — vote this bill down,” Thompson said, eliciting thunderous applause from her Democratic colleagues.

How GOP-backed voting measures could create hurdles for tens of millions of voters

While much of the criticism of Senate Bill 90 comes from voting rights advocates who believe it will disproportionately affect communities of color, some Republicans are worried that it will make it harder for their voters to cast ballots, too — particularly the millions of Floridians who have voted by mail for many years.

One provision in particular has Republicans and Democrats alike confounded. It requires voters to reapply for mail ballots every two-year election cycle, rather than every two cycles, or four years, as current law allows.


Members of both parties said the provision will confuse voters who think they’re due to receive an absentee ballot automatically — and is likely to suppress turnout in off-year municipal elections, when voters on the request list automatically receive ballots. In federal elections, it could also put added pressure on in-person voting, resulting in long lines.

“Quite honestly, it’s one of the safest and most effective ways to vote,” said one frustrated former state GOP operative, who believes restrictions on mail voting are not good for either party and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to criticize the strategy. “This is really going to hurt Republicans, especially with seniors and the military.”

One constituency absent from the debate in Tallahassee is the business sector, which in both Georgia and Texas weighed in to oppose voter restrictions. There has been less of that in Florida, both Republicans and Democrats said, because the business groups are largely aligned with the GOP on regulatory and tax issues, and many of the leading businesses rely on tourist-heavy customer bases who aren’t exerting any pressure.

“You would have to believe that people would stop coming to Florida because Republicans are suppressing the vote,” said state Rep. Omari Hardy, a Democrat from Lake Worth. “I don’t think the business community has made that calculation.”

Amy B Wang contributed to this report

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Re: 4/29/21 FL law curbs mail voting and drop boxes
« Reply #1996 on: January 18, 2022, 10:29:55 AM »
No fair investigating vote fraud! How will dems win now?

Florida legislature approves measure that curbs mail voting and use of drop boxes
A worker at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department brings an official ballot drop box into the building after polls closed in the August 2020 primary election in Doral, Fla.
A worker at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department brings an official ballot drop box into the building after polls closed in the August 2020 primary election in Doral, Fla. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
By Amy Gardner
April 29, 2021 at 10:58 p.m. EDT



Florida’s legislature on Thursday night became the latest to approve far-reaching legislation imposing new rules on voting and new penalties for those who do not follow them, passing a measure critics said would make it harder for millions of voters to cast ballots in the Sunshine State.

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who named voting security one of his top legislative priorities this year, said late Thursday night on Fox News that he “of course” would sign the bill.

Like similar bills Republicans are pushing in dozens of state legislatures across the country, the Florida measure adds hurdles to voting by mail, restricts the use of drop boxes and prohibits any actions that could influence those standing in line to vote, which voting rights advocates said is likely to discourage nonpartisan groups from offering food or water to voters as they wait in the hot Florida sun.


One week after it was signed into law, Georgia's Republican-led voting overhaul is facing backlash from a growing number of voting rights advocates. (Mahlia Posey/The Washington Post)
The passage of the bill was preceded by an hour of emotional debate, as Black lawmakers stood up to decry a measure they said was aimed squarely at curbing the clout of voters of color.

“You are making policies that are detrimental to our communities,” said an emotional state Rep. Angela Nixon (D), describing herself as “distraught and disheartened.”

Both Democrats and Republicans, including DeSantis, hailed Florida’s administration of the November 2020 election as a model for the nation. Former president Donald Trump won the state by more than three points.

Nevertheless, DeSantis has said new restrictions are needed to shore up election security. “So we think we led the nation, but we're trying to stay ahead of the curve to make sure that these elections are run well,” DeSantis said in a Fox News segment with other GOP governors Thursday hosted by Laura Ingraham.


Democrats and voting rights advocates counter that the new measure is instead aimed at making it harder for some Floridians to cast ballots — and to appease constituents who believe Trump’s false claims that the election was stolen.

“The governor praised Florida’s election performance as the gold standard, then he quickly pivoted to the national narrative, claiming without evidence that there was fraud and voting irregularities that would plague the state without these changes,” state Sen. Janet Cruz, a Democrat from Tampa, said in an interview this week. “If you can’t win by promoting the best candidate, you win by making it harder for the other side to vote.”

Cruz and other critics said the bill curtails poll access in a variety of ways that will intimidate, confuse and otherwise make it harder for people to vote by mail, which is popular in Florida. In November, more than 4.8 million Floridians — more than 40 percent of the fall electorate — cast mail ballots.


The new hurdles will probably produce longer lines during both early in-person and Election Day voting, she and others said.

As the voting rights fight moves to Texas, defiant Republicans test the resolve of corporations that oppose restrictions

The law’s top two GOP proponents, Rep. Blaise Ingoglia and Sen. Joe Gruters, did not respond to requests for interviews. But in committee hearings and floor debate, numerous Republicans defended the measure as necessary to ensure the integrity of elections.

“Why wouldn’t you want to do that?” Rep. Thomas J. Leek said during House debate Wednesday. “I’ve heard repeatedly that we’re trying to fix something that is not broken. But I guarantee you those same people who are making that argument today would come back in 2022 when the system breaks and complain that we didn’t anticipate things that we should have anticipated. This bill fixes those things.”

In February, DeSantis hailed “the most transparent and efficient election anywhere in the country” — but in the same speech, he said more restrictions on mail voting were needed to “stay ahead of the curve.” DeSantis is a close ally of Trump, who spent much of 2020 deriding mail voting as rife with fraud.


The Florida bill makes it harder to use drop boxes to deposit mail ballots, a voting method that was widely embraced last year because of the coronavirus pandemic.

The legislation prohibits mobile drop boxes, and it requires local election supervisors to staff all drop boxes and to allow ballots to be dropped in them only during early-voting hours. Supervisors who leave a drop box accessible outside those hours are subject to a civil penalty of $25,000. The state’s association of county election supervisors opposes the law.

The bill also limits who may turn in a voter’s ballot, allowing only certain family members to do so or limiting individuals to turning in the ballots of just two nonfamily members.

Voting rights groups said the provisions are unnecessary and could suppress turnout.

“You could go down the street to a mailbox and put that ballot with a stamp in the mail, and there’s no one standing there asking you for identification,” said Patti Brigham, president of the Florida League of Women Voters, a nonpartisan voting rights group, who added that officials have uncovered no evidence of the kind of ballot collection, or “harvesting,” that Republicans say they are trying to prevent. “That’s ridiculous. And it’s voter intimidation.”


Florida’s legislation comes after Georgia Republicans passed an extensive overhaul of that state’s voting rules, a measure that quickly emerged as a flash point in a state with a long history of disenfranchising voters of color. In Texas, GOP lawmakers have proposed bills that take aim at new means of voting embraced in cities such as Houston last year.

The restrictions proposed by Florida Republicans drew sharp criticism from Black lawmakers there, who rose one after another during a House debate Wednesday to condemn the legislation.

They said the bill would make voting particularly difficult for minorities, who more often struggle with transportation and work nonstandard hours in the service sector in Florida’s tourism-dependent economy, relying more heavily on after-hours drop boxes.

The additional barriers made it hard not to conclude that the law is intended to suppress the vote, they said — an ugly reminder of Florida’s embrace of Jim Crow laws in the 20th century.


“It’s a sad day for me personally because people like me, not too long ago, in recent history, were not able to vote,” said Rep. Geraldine Thompson (D).

“I grew up in the South,” said Thompson, who is 72. “When I look at my birth certificate, under race, I’m listed as Colored. And when I went to school, all of my school records showed that I was Negro.”

Thompson told a rapt House chamber of a lynching in Orange County, her current home, in 1920. The victim, a prominent Black businessman named Julius “July” Perry, tried to vote in the local election and was told he had not paid his poll taxes. A mob abducted him from his home in front of his wife and children, hanged him and used his body for target practice.

Thompson also invoked the memory of civil rights leaders Harry T. Moore and his wife, Harriette, who founded a branch of the NAACP in Brevard County. The two died after a bomb was planted under their home on Dec. 25, 1951, and after both were driven to a hospital 30 miles away because one closer refused to treat them.


“On behalf of July Perry, who wanted to vote in 1920, on behalf of Harry T. Moore, who was killed on Christmas night in 1951, on behalf of his wife, Harriette, who died nine days later — vote this bill down,” Thompson said, eliciting thunderous applause from her Democratic colleagues.

How GOP-backed voting measures could create hurdles for tens of millions of voters

While much of the criticism of Senate Bill 90 comes from voting rights advocates who believe it will disproportionately affect communities of color, some Republicans are worried that it will make it harder for their voters to cast ballots, too — particularly the millions of Floridians who have voted by mail for many years.

One provision in particular has Republicans and Democrats alike confounded. It requires voters to reapply for mail ballots every two-year election cycle, rather than every two cycles, or four years, as current law allows.


Members of both parties said the provision will confuse voters who think they’re due to receive an absentee ballot automatically — and is likely to suppress turnout in off-year municipal elections, when voters on the request list automatically receive ballots. In federal elections, it could also put added pressure on in-person voting, resulting in long lines.

“Quite honestly, it’s one of the safest and most effective ways to vote,” said one frustrated former state GOP operative, who believes restrictions on mail voting are not good for either party and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to criticize the strategy. “This is really going to hurt Republicans, especially with seniors and the military.”

One constituency absent from the debate in Tallahassee is the business sector, which in both Georgia and Texas weighed in to oppose voter restrictions. There has been less of that in Florida, both Republicans and Democrats said, because the business groups are largely aligned with the GOP on regulatory and tax issues, and many of the leading businesses rely on tourist-heavy customer bases who aren’t exerting any pressure.

“You would have to believe that people would stop coming to Florida because Republicans are suppressing the vote,” said state Rep. Omari Hardy, a Democrat from Lake Worth. “I don’t think the business community has made that calculation.”

Amy B Wang contributed to this report

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same old
« Reply #1997 on: January 18, 2022, 02:24:14 PM »
"Democrats and voting rights advocates counter that the new measure is instead aimed at making it harder for some Floridians to cast ballots — and to appease constituents who believe Trump’s false claims that the election was stolen."

same old shit

*false claims *. ALWAYS GETS INSERTED
*Trump's false claims*. AS THOUGH THE REST OF US DID NOT SEE THE OBVIOUS ELECTION CORRUPTION that took place

Amy Gardner - another WP Dem operative:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/amy-gardner/

"  state Sen. Janet Cruz, a Democrat from Tampa, said in an interview this week. “If you can’t win by promoting the best candidate, you win by making it harder for the other side to vote.”

Democrats are too stupid to vote like they have for decades
Is that what they are saying ?




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Re: same old
« Reply #1998 on: January 18, 2022, 02:28:53 PM »
How are all the illegal aliens and dead people going to vote if you demand IDs?

"Democrats and voting rights advocates counter that the new measure is instead aimed at making it harder for some Floridians to cast ballots — and to appease constituents who believe Trump’s false claims that the election was stolen."

same old shit

*false claims *. ALWAYS GETS INSERTED
*Trump's false claims*. AS THOUGH THE REST OF US DID NOT SEE THE OBVIOUS ELECTION CORRUPTION that took place

Amy Gardner - another WP Dem operative:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/amy-gardner/

"  state Sen. Janet Cruz, a Democrat from Tampa, said in an interview this week. “If you can’t win by promoting the best candidate, you win by making it harder for the other side to vote.”

Democrats are too stupid to vote like they have for decades
Is that what they are saying ?

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« Reply #1999 on: January 18, 2022, 03:10:13 PM »
They can use the vaxx cards they use to get in restaurants.