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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #900 on: August 09, 2011, 08:09:58 AM »
One additional point.  These kinds of people are extraordinary liars.  They will keep lying even when everyone knows they are lying.  They will even know the game is up and everyone knows they are lying but will continue to lie.  Unfortunately there are many in the US who have a lot of skin in the game so he has a lot of people covering and lying right along with him.

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Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness - Harry, I have a gift
« Reply #901 on: August 09, 2011, 10:21:30 AM »
Funny that the Bret Stephens piece Crafty/WSJ) uses the word 'Glibness' while the rest includes a theme of cognitive dissonance.  IIRC this thread started as the 'Obama phenomenon' and was presciently renamed to the above after his election or around the time of inauguration?  A bit negative I think but we have found 18 long internet pages of material to support it.

WSJ 4/30/09  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105013014171063.html
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...tells of congratulating freshman Sen. Obama on a phenomenal speech. Without a hint of conceit, Mr. Obama replied, "Harry, I have a gift."

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Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness: Fascist Fairy Tales
« Reply #902 on: August 09, 2011, 10:41:05 AM »
JAMES TARANTO, WSJ quotes Time's Joe Klein bringing Carter and Reagan into the comparison, then answers him:

Kline: "At a similar point in his presidency, Jimmy Carter delivered his famous "malaise" speech--the word was never actually used--that was an accurate description of the problems we faced then (it reads very well 30 years later) but a complete bummer. The public needed to hear more than a description of what wrong [sic]; it needed to be told what was necessary to make it right. Ronald Reagan came along, posited optimism and an easily comprehensible set of principles--and Carter was history.

    I am not suggesting Obama is Carter. But they do share a trait: an inability to tell a story. The most popular stories have good guys and bad guys. If he wants to be re-elected, Obama is going to have to start telling us who the bad guys are and what he plans to do about them."


Tarranto (WSJ): In citing Reagan, Klein unwittingly underscores the liberal misunderstanding of his success at "communication," which Peggy Noonan explores in her most recent column. There's a world of difference between "an easily comprehensible set of principles," which Reagan did offer, and a fairy tale about "good guys and bad guys." The former is for adults, the latter for children (or for adults seeking mere entertainment).

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« Reply #903 on: August 09, 2011, 11:44:27 AM »

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/09/wapo-columnist-suddenly-discovers-mr-cool-is-rather-cold/

WaPo columnist suddenly discovers Mr. Cool is rather cold

 

posted at 11:25 am on August 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

 
Somewhere in Richard Cohen’s column for today’s Washington Post shines a little light of belated understanding.  Cohen tries to hide it behind a broadside against the GOP, writing — and obviously hoping — that Barack Obama’s eventual 2012 challenger will be “stuck in the amber” of extremism from the primaries and will end up rescuing Obama from himself.  That doesn’t change Cohen’s conclusion about Obama as an overrated narcissist, even if Cohen can’t quite make the diagnosis explicit:
 

Obama, in contrast, was raised in the great American muddle, not rich and not poor. Yet when the stock market fell more than 500 points last week and the image that night was of the president whooping it up at his birthday party, the juxtaposition — just bad timing, of course — seemed appropriate. He does not seem to care.
 
This quality of Obama’s, this inability to communicate what many of us think he must be feeling, has lately cost many trees their dear lives — reams of essays and op-ed pieces. One of the more interesting ones, by Drew Westen, a psychology professor at Emory University, ran in Sunday’s New York Times. It cited Obama’s frequent inability or unwillingness to explain himself or to appear empathetic. All this is true. But Westen’s most salient point was contained in the title: “What Happened to Obama?” The answer: Nothing.
 
And if Obama is overrated and not particularly concerned about anyone else but himself, who overrated him?  On that score, Cohen is significantly more honest:
 

Obama has always been the man he is today. He is the very personification of cognitive dissonance — the gap between what we (especially liberals) expected of the first serious African American presidential candidate and the man he in fact is. He has next to none of the rhetorical qualities of the old-time black politicians. He would eschew the cliche, but he feels little of their pain. In this sense, he has been patronized by liberals who looked at a man and saw black and has been reviled by those who looked at a black man and saw “other.”
 
That’s precisely what most of us on the Right said about the odd love affair with a one-term backbencher with no executive or business experience in the 2008 presidential race.  Cohen and other liberals in the media saw a black man running for President and filled in their own narrative, as Cohen admits here.  Those of us who challenged that narrative with the facts about Obama’s record (and lack thereof) were dismissed and often slimed as racists, a narrative that continues to this day.
 
In fact, Cohen goes on to honestly state that the media is still giving Obama a pass:
 

Westen faults Obama for his lack of storytelling abilities. But this is because Obama is himself the story. Consider for a moment that Obama’s account of how he had to fight to get medical coverage for his dying mother is not exactly true. The White House’s response to this revelation was grudging silence. It did not dispute the story and it soon died. This was because the Obama story is not what he says but who he is. That remains unchanged, and so the very people who would pummel a Republican for such a mischaracterization were silent about Obama’s. Obama did not deign to reply. He does not have to.
 
Even Cohen can’t quite get away from his substance-free crush, though:
 

Obama is the very soul of common sense. As he talks, I nod my head in agreement.
 
Really?  I guess it’s easy to be “the very soul of common sense” when muttering generalities and platitudes.  Presidents, however, are generally expected to lead with plans and specifics.  Cohen may have written this column prior to yesterday’s speech, so it could be unfair to ask him what in that ten minutes amounted to useful common sense, but the same thing could be said for every other public statement given by Obama over the last few weeks – months, really — about spending and debt.
 
Still, give Cohen one cheer for recognizing that the media sold a myth, not the man, and that they’re still engaged in mythmaking — or perhaps more precisely at this point, myth maintenance.  Regardless of the reason why they built the myth in the first place, they seem more motivated in protecting Obamas’ reputation in order to protect their own now.

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« Reply #904 on: August 12, 2011, 12:20:44 PM »
 Can you believe the arrogance of this selfserving, elitist Leftist? It's you and your policies that people are fed up with Barack!

NEW YORK (AP) — Aligning himself with a public fed up with economic uncertainty and Washington gridlock, President Barack Obama declared Thursday: "There is nothing wrong with our country. There is something wrong with our politics."

His toughly worded message — he said there was frustration in his voice, in case anyone missed the point — came amid a series of polls showing that people are disgusted with political dysfunction and are dispensing blame all around, including on Obama.

Obama aired his frustration with the ways of Washington at an event in Michigan before pivoting to his re-election campaign and a pair of big-money fundraisers in New York City.

He delivered a condensed version of that message at a fundraiser at the lower Manhattan home of movie producer Harvey Weinstein, where celebrities Gwyneth Paltrow and Jimmy Fallon, were among the approximately 50 guests who paid $35,800 each to attend.

Obama said he told his Michigan audience that it deserves better than what it's been getting from Washington.

"They look at what's happening in Washington and they think these folks are really from outer space because they don't seem to understand how critical it is for us all to work together, Republicans, Democrats, independents, in order to move this country forward," Obama said.

He added that the country is realizing the need to get involved.

"We're going to have to get engaged and we're going to have to speak out," Obama said. "We're going to have to register the fact that we expect more and we expect better."

Obama's visit Thursday to Holland, Mich., and New York, was his first official trip outside Washington after spending more than a month in the nation's capital dealing with the debt debate. Obama said Americans were right to be worried about the country's 9.1 percent unemployment rate and fluctuations in the stock market. The contentious and partisan debt debate in Washington, he said, has done little to help.

"Unfortunately what we've seen in Washington in the last few months has been the worst kind of partisanship, the worst kind of gridlock, and that gridlock has undermined public confidence and impeded our efforts to take the steps we need for our economy," Obama said after touring a Michigan factory that makes advanced batteries for alternative-fuel vehicles.

A Washington Post poll released this week showed widespread and deep discontent with Washington. Nearly 80 percent said they were dissatisfied with the way the country's political system works, compared with 60 percent in November 2009. Seventy-one percent said the federal government is mostly focused on the wrong things, up from 55 percent in October 2010.

Both Obama and congressional Republicans were targets of unhappiness, with only 19 percent of people polled saying that Obama had made progress in solving the country's major problems, and just 10 percent saying that about Republicans. At the same time, 28 percent said Obama had made things worse, while 35 percent said congressional Republicans had done that.

Obama sought to channel the public's anger in order to avoid being sunk by it himself. He urged the public to tell Washington lawmakers they'd had enough with the bickering and stalemates.

"You've got to tell them you've had enough of the theatrics, you've had enough of the politics, stop sending out press releases. Start passing some bills that we all know will help the economy right now," he said. "That's what they need to do. They've got to hear from you."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, promptly responded with a news release, calling the president's remarks "political grandstanding" and urging him to deliver on promises to outline recommendations to rein in the nation's deficits.

The president has said he will send those recommendations in the coming weeks to a congressional supercommittee tasked with finding $1.5 trillion in savings. He also said on Thursday that he'd be offering new proposals "week by week" to create jobs, though he provided no details.

Despite Obama's calls for urgent action on the economy, Congress has left Washington for its August recess and Obama will soon follow for his annual summer vacation in Martha's Vineyard.

Obama urged lawmakers to get to work in September and pass a series of initiatives the White House says will spur job growth, including an extension of the payroll tax cut, three free-trade agreements and funding for road and bridge construction.

Obama has touted spending on clean-energy technologies as a job creator, and on advanced batteries such as those made at the Johnson Controls plant in Holland, Mich., as a way to boost U.S. auto companies.

Obama won Michigan in the 2008 presidential election and the economically battered state is crucial to his re-election hopes in 2012.

After the Michigan stop, Obama attended a pair of fundraisers in lower Manhattan that raised more than $2 million.

He attended a reception with about 15 people at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Battery Park that was thrown by Gary Hirshberg, chief executive of organic yogurt maker Stonyfield Farm, before heading to dinner at Weinstein's brick row house. Weinstein and Vogue editor-in-chief Anna Wintour were hosts.

Other notables seated at the round dinner tables were New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, singers Alicia Keys and Chris Martin, who is Paltrow's husband, Gayle King and designer Vera Wang. Obama's motorcade passed by ground zero on the way to the dinner.

The $35,800 admission price is the legal maximum donation per person. Obama's campaign keeps $5,000 and the Democratic National Committee pockets the remaining $30,800.

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Associated Press writers Tim Martin in Holland, Mich., and Jeff Karoub in Detroit contributed to this report.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #905 on: August 15, 2011, 06:02:36 PM »
Translating to the language developed by the incumbent, Gallup is now reporting that President Obama has created or saved nearly 39 approval points.

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« Reply #906 on: August 16, 2011, 11:07:05 AM »
 The Daily Caller – Thu, Aug 11, 2011tweet3Share0EmailPrintThe White House’s published guest list for this year’s Ramadan Iftar dinner was much shorter than previous years’ roster. It excluded the names of several controversial advocates who have attended the event in the past, including some who The Daily Caller can confirm did attend on Wednesday night.

“It was a squeaky clean list,” said Durriya Badani, director of the U.S.-Islamic World Forum, an annual event organized by the Brookings Institution’s Saban Center and the Qatari government. The guests on the published list are “not controversial at all,” said Badani, whose name is on the list the White House provided to reporters.

“It was a lot more low-key … It was a more intimate event this year,” said Haris Tarin, the Washington director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, whose invitation was kept off the published list. “I have no idea why they didn’t publish [MPAC’s invite] … I’m going to learn about that a little bit more,” he told The Daily Caller.

Mohamed Magid also attended but did not appear on the White House’s publish list. Magid is imam of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society mosque in Northern Virginia and the current president of the Islamic Society of North America. Along with MPAC, Magid’s two organizations have drawn criticism from a loose network of online critics who claim they are sympathetic to Islamist groups.

Whether intentional or not, the shorter list limited the risk of a political embarrassment for the White House because it downplayed the attendance of several ideological Islamist groups, including MPAC, said Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, a pro-Western Muslim group. But the White House also failed to invite any of the 25 pro-liberty American Muslim groups and individuals in Jasser’s American Islamic Leadership Coalition, he said.

Iftar is the evening meal when Muslims break their fast during the month of Ramadan.

At last year’s event, President Obama publicly endorsed the planned construction of a mosque at the Ground Zero site in New York City. But Obama avoided controversial topics in his short speech Wednesday night. (RELATED: Obama gives Small Business Admin. the coal shoulder)

The president lauded American Muslims who reacted to the 9/11 attack. “How do we honor these patriots, those who died and those who served? … The answer is the same as it was ten Septembers ago. We must be the America they lived for, … An America that doesn’t simply tolerate people of different backgrounds and beliefs, but an America where we are enriched by our diversity.”

The public guest list did include ambassadors from Muslim-majority democratic countries, such as Iraq and Bangladesh, as well as the ambassador of Israel, roughly 20 percent of whose population is Muslim. Also included were numerous ambassadors from Islamic countries that do not accept democracy or welcome non-Islamic religions. These included Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and both Yemen and Bahrain, whose governments have violently suppressed public demonstrations this year.

Obama, Jasser complained, “has not been clear on what America stands for, on the freedom agenda in the Middle East, [so] he ends up at an Iftar dinner that panders to ambassadors” who oppose American’s vision of freedom, Jasser said.

The list also excluded a few controversial attendees, such as Tarin from MPAC and Mohamed Magid, who is the imam of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society mosque in Northern Virginia and the current president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).

Critics of Tarin’s and Magid’s organizations  — including the Investigative Project on Terrorism — use the Internet to publish court records, translate Arab-language media reports, and record information released by Muslim advocacy groups in the United States and overseas. For example, court records now available online show that the federal government designated ISNA an unindicted co-conspirator during the 2008 trial of Texas Muslims who smuggled money to the Hamas terror group.

Hamas is the branch of the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood, and has stated that its goal is to violently destroy the Jewish state of Israel. Tarin denies any ties to the Islamist groups and the brotherhood. “We’re critical of the Muslim Brotherhood ourselves,” he told TheDC.

Asked about MPAC’s welcome for the 2010 U.S. tour of Tariq Ramadan, who is one of Europe’s foremost Muslim Brotherhood advocates, Tarin said MPAC supports “robust discourse and discussion.”

Tarin says the White House’s omission of his name from the Iftar invitation list remains unexplained. He told TheDC that he received a personal phone call from Obama several weeks ago. That would not have happened, he added, “if they wanted to stay away politically, and avoid criticism.”

While White House officials excluded MPAC’s leader from its published invitation list, Jasser believes the Obama administration continues to engage with the group in its political outreach because “they don’t have the political will to hold MPAC accountable for their ideology.”

According to a recent Gallup study of American voters, just 3.5 percent of U.S. Muslims said the MPAC most represented their interests. Almost half, or 48.5 percent, of Muslim respondents declined to name a Muslim advocacy group that most represented their interests.

White House officials, Jasser offered, should reach out to the Muslim groups in his coalition and invite them to the 2012 Iftar. With this approach, he said, the White House would “empower the liberty-minded, Western-minded anti-Islamists.”

This year’s White House Iftar was more sparsely attended than last’s year’s. Officials working for President George W. Bush also pruned their invite list following several embarrassing episodes, including a September 2001 appearance that placed Bush alongside Abdul Alamoudi and Nihad Awad.

Alamoudi founded the American Muslim Council, was a prominent Islamist advocate in D.C., and raised funds for both Democrats and Republicans until 2004. That’s when he pled guilty to several terror offenses and was sentenced to 23 years in prison.

Awad is the founding director of the Council on American Islamic Relations. CAIR and ISNA were both named as unindicted co-conspirators in the 2008 Hamas trial.

As the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attack approaches, Badani said, White House officials “need to be very careful.”

 http://news.yahoo.com/obama-iftar-guest-list-omits-controversial-attendees-202005815.html

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US Muslims in love with Obama
« Reply #907 on: August 16, 2011, 11:47:18 AM »
Yet my fellow Jews are not too far behind :?:

****(CNSNews.com) -- Eighty percent of Muslim Americans approve of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president, according to a newly released survey conducted by the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center, a partnership between Gallup and the Crown Prince Court of Abu Dhabi.

According to the survey, 65 percent of Jewish Americans approve of the job Obama is doing; 60 percent of atheists, agnostics, and those of no religion approve; 50 percent of Catholics approve; 37 percent of Protestants approve and 25 percent of Mormons approve.

Although published this month, the survey of Muslim Americans was actually completed on April 9. (In Gallup’s overall polling in the week that ended April 10, Obama’s approval was at 45 percent, slightly higher than the 42 percent it hit last week.)

Obama’s approval among Muslim Americans has declined since 2009 but still remains far higher than the approval President George W. Bush’s won among Muslim Americans in 2008.  In that year, only 7 percent of Muslim Americans said they approved of the job Bush was doing.

In 2009, 84 percent of Muslim Americans said they approved of the job Obama was doing. That dropped to 78 percent in 2010 and then rose to 80 percent this year.

The Abu Dhabi Gallup Center says it interviewed 3,883 self-identified Muslim Americans between Jan. 1, 2008 and April 9, 2011 to get its polling trends in that community. The interviews were part of Gallup’s ongoing polling of at least 1,000 American adults 350 days per year.****


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #908 on: August 16, 2011, 12:14:36 PM »
Prentice:

Would you please post that in the Islam in American thread as well?  Thank you.

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Cognitive Dissonance: Economic Disapproval=71%
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Re: Cognitive Dissonance: Economic Disapproval=71%
« Reply #910 on: August 17, 2011, 06:11:55 PM »


Gallup is obviously raaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaaaacist!



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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #911 on: August 17, 2011, 08:06:56 PM »
I hadn't thought of racism.  I just thought it was Glen Beck's fault.

Speaking of unexpected racists, Black Unemployment was 7.9% when Obama (and Pelosi-Reid-Hillary-Biden et al) took the majority, and 16% now http://www.bls.gov/data/, more then DOUBLE what it was just 5 years ago under Republicans.  Who are the racists?

Like President Obama says, elections have consequences.

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cynical cannot barely begin to explain Brock
« Reply #913 on: August 18, 2011, 05:36:27 PM »
From my post of July 15:

"Mark my words if Brock loses we will see him pardon every illegal here and around the world.  That will be HIS payback."

Fast forward to present.

Well since he is cratering in the polls (along with the country) he has decided not to wait to start the pardon process.
Just as he finishes his "bus tour" of those gun and religion "clinging" middle America types he pulls
this proverbial "eat me" or "middle finger" to conservatives:

****New DHS Rules Cancel Deportations – Washington Times

The Homeland Security Department said Thursday it will halt deportation proceedings on a case-by-case basis against illegal immigrants who meet certain criteria such as attending school, having family in the military or are primarily responsible for other family members’ care.

The move, announced in letters to Congress, won immediate praise from Hispanic activists and Democrats who had chided President Obama for months for the pace of deportations and had argued he had authority to exempt broad swaths of illegal immigrants from deportation.

“Today’s announcement shows that this president is willing to put muscle behind his words and to use his power to intervene when the lives of good people are being ruined by bad laws,” said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois Democrat.

In the letters to Congress, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said her department and the Justice Department will review all ongoing cases and see who meets the new criteria on a case-by-case basis.

“This case-by-case approach will enhance public safety,” she said. “Immigration judges will be able to more swiftly adjudicate high priority cases, such as those involving convicted felons.”

The new rules apply to those who have been apprehended and are in deportation proceedings, but have not been officially ordered out of the country by a judge. Miss Napolitano said a working group will try to come up with “guidance on how to provide for appropriate discretionary consideration” for “compelling cases” in those instances where someone has already been ordered deported.

It was unclear how many people might be affected by the new rules, though in fiscal year 2010 the government deported nearly 200,000 illegal immigrants who it said did not have criminal records.

The Obama administration has argued for months that it did not have authority to grant blanket absolution, and Miss Napolitano stressed that these cases will be treated individually, though the new guidance applies across the board.

In June, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that handles interior immigration law enforcement, issued new guidance expanding authority to decline to prosecute illegal immigrants. The goal, ICE leaders said, was to focus on their priority of catching illegal immigrants who have also committed other crimes or are part of gangs.

The chief beneficiaries of the new guidance are likely to be illegal immigrant students who would have been eligible for legal status under the Dream Act, which stalled in Congress last year.

“Today is a victory not just for immigrants but for the American people as a whole because it makes no sense to deport Dream Act students and others who can make great contributions to America and pose no threat,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “It is not in our national interest to send away young people who were raised in the U.S. and have been educated here and want only to contribute to this country’s success. “

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat who earlier this year wrote asking Homeland Security to exempt illegal immigrant students from deportation, said the move will free up immigration courts to handle cases involving serious criminals.

Both men said, though, that they will continue to push for legislation that would grant a path to citizenship to illegal immigrants and expands new pathways for more immigrants to come legally in the future.

But groups pushing for a crackdown on illegal immigration said the administration’s move abused the Constitution by usurping a power Congress should have.

“Supporters of comprehensive and targeted amnesties for illegal aliens have consistently failed to win approval by Congress or gain support from the American public,” said Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. “Having failed in the legislative process, the Obama administration has simply decided to usurp Congress’s constitutional authority and implement an amnesty program for millions of illegal aliens.”****


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« Reply #914 on: August 19, 2011, 08:24:18 AM »
Obamas reportedly flying separate his and hers jets to Martha's Vineyard (http://www.mvgazette.com/article.php?31587), is air force one not safe enough for the family or too noisy for the first lady?  No intent to nitpick, but I am curious - given that the earth has a fever and we have a very short opportunity, that we may have already gone past, to curb our emissions and save this man-made planet.  They keep changing their pattern, last year  the dog "Bo" reportedly flew on the separate jet http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-fly-dog-on-separate-jet-to-maine with virtually no concern for the impact of his carbon paw print. 

Secondly, will the 28 acre Obama compound on the vineyard have border security?  If so, why? (Can't we all just get along?)  Will they give amnesty to those who storm the compound and take up illegal residence?  If not, why not?  Just curious.


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #915 on: August 19, 2011, 08:34:24 AM »
"Secondly, will the 28 acre Obama compound on the vineyard have border security?  If so, why? (Can't we all just get along?)  Will they give amnesty to those who storm the compound and take up illegal residence?  If not, why not?  Just curious."

What if it's Los Zetas, just trying to do the work the Secret Service won't do? Somos Hermanos!


Very good point, Doug.

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Two observations from the recent bus trip:

Wisconsin was the battleground of all battlegrounds this year - the preview to the political fights we are going to be having all over the country.  3 years ago as the Senate's no. 1 liberal candidate Obama won Wisconsin over the Senate's most moderate Republican by 14 points.  Since then the Republicans swept the Governor's office,  the state House and the state Senate, and put a Tea Party businessman in Sen. Russ Feingold's seat.  The spending restraint crowd allegedly overstepped on the public union powers and the big recalls were called.  $30 million spent for a few August special elections and the result is roughly the same.  Madison was the scene of all the energy.  Try planning a bus trip from the Twin Cities to destinations in Illinois that doesn't go through Madison where all this was fought, where Republicans so egregiously overstepped. Copy 'St. Paul MN to Chicago IL' into google maps and see where you go (right through Madison no matter which freeway you take).  But instead they drove around Wisconsin went though Iowa, not Ames or Des Moines, and ended in Peoria IL (no events there) and flew back to Washington from there (to get Bo the dog, grant some amnesty and head out to the Cape.  My point I guess is that Mr. Tough Guy-Make my day, don't call my bluff, ready for battle President drove to great lengths to avoid all of Wisc.  Illinois is not a swing state.  Missouri is - right across the border.  Nothing there either.

If you take the detour around Wisc (http://www.tripline.net/trip/Map_of_President_Obama%27s_Midwest_Bus_Tour-23522433146210049A599B63F4F3AC54) and you have this historic Healthcare President heading right through Rochester MN, a healthcare town like no other, home of the Mayo Clinic, where people come from everywhere for high quality care, from King Hussein of Jordan to President Reagan to Billy Graham, Johnny Carson, Mohammed Ali, etc. The whole town is built around the healthcare industry.  He stopped nearby at a park in Cannon Falls for a talk. What did the President's agenda say for Rochester? "No events scheduled".  Local paper reports that they didn't even slow down.
http://postbulletin.typepad.com/sellnows_journal/2011/08/obama-zooms-through-rochester-today-without-slowing-down.html

How can he stop there when he has 30 people waiting for him in Atkinson IL?

Googling the bus trip I find stops added early August in swing state Pennsylvania.  Oops, that was 2008!

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Bin Laden death photo
« Reply #917 on: August 20, 2011, 09:32:08 AM »
Drugereport reveals POTUS has decided to release Bin Laden death photo.

For the life of me I cannot understand why NOW.  Absolutely no one I know or have read or seen is questioning if Bin Laden is dead or not. 

This has to be a political decision.  Like to remind us what a great military leader he has been because "he" got the guy.

As far as I am concerned I don't need to see the photo.

As far as I am concerned this won't help this guy in the polls.

Wow is he desparate or what?

Even Jimmy Carter was not this bad.

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Re: Bin Laden death photo
« Reply #918 on: August 20, 2011, 09:44:13 AM »
Drugereport reveals POTUS has decided to release Bin Laden death photo.

For the life of me I cannot understand why NOW.  Absolutely no one I know or have read or seen is questioning if Bin Laden is dead or not. 

This has to be a political decision.  Like to remind us what a great military leader he has been because "he" got the guy.

As far as I am concerned I don't need to see the photo.

As far as I am concerned this won't help this guy in the polls.

Wow is he desparate or what?

Even Jimmy Carter was not this bad.
Total desperation. At this point, he'll show up at the debates with the picture printed on a t-shirt. It's the one thing he can claim as an accomplishment as president.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #919 on: August 23, 2011, 09:11:51 AM »

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #920 on: August 24, 2011, 06:35:21 AM »
I was surprised to learn from the administration that this unexpected east coast earthquake that could be quite damaging to the economy occurred on a little known fault line that crosses this country known as Bush's Fault.

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« Reply #921 on: August 24, 2011, 06:50:22 AM »
I was surprised to learn from the administration that this unexpected east coast earthquake that could be quite damaging to the economy occurred on a little known fault line that crosses this country known as Bush's Fault.

 :-D  :-D  :-D

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POTH: Waiving the Jones Act
« Reply #922 on: August 24, 2011, 08:28:39 AM »
Given the following, it is worth noting that Baraq refused to waive the Jones Act for foreign oil skimmers during the BP oil blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.
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WASHINGTON — In its hurry to transport millions of barrels of oil from federal stockpiles to stabilize world oil prices earlier this summer, the Obama administration has repeatedly bypassed federal law by allowing nearly all the oil to move on foreign-owned vessels, drawing protests from domestic maritime operators.

The domestic ship owners say that 46 times the administration has waived the Jones Act, a 90-year-old law requiring purely domestic cargo to move on United States-flagged ships except under extraordinary circumstances. Only once this summer has oil from the reserve moved on American barges.

Even as unemployment hovered over 9 percent, the administration approved dozens of applications to transport nearly 30 million barrels of domestic crude oil within the borders of the United States on tankers employing foreign crews and flying the flags of the Marshall Islands, Panama and other countries.

The move, which saved time and money for the oil companies that bought the oil, took potential work from more than 30 American cargo vessels and as many as 400 sailors, American ship owners said in recent days.

“This has literally flabbergasted the American maritime industry,” said Christopher Coakley, vice president for legislative affairs at the American Waterways Operators, an association of domestic ship and barge operators. “The idea was to create American jobs and help the economy. But all the profit from the sale of the oil has gone to traders and oil companies and all the profit from movement of the oil has gone to foreign shippers and crewmen, and that’s galling.”

In late June, the Obama administration, acting in concert with the 27 nations of the International Energy Agency, released the oil from the Department of Energy’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make up some of the shortfall caused by the conflict in Libya. The administration said it wanted to get the oil to market quickly to lower prices and ensure supplies for the summer travel season. To meet that goal, it set very short deadlines for transporting the crude.

To waive the Jones Act, the president must find that there is a national security emergency and that domestic carriers are not available in a timely manner. The cutoff of oil from Libya and a lack of large-capacity American tankers provided the legal rationale for circumventing the law.

Representative Peter T. King, the New York Republican who is chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said that it appeared that the administration had met the formal requirements for waiving the Jones Act, but he questioned the political and economic wisdom of doing so.

“The spirit of the law is when possible, use a U.S. vessel, especially in tough economic times,” Mr. King said. “I think it has to hurt the American economy, hurt the maritime industry and affect American jobs.”

The government originally issued a blanket waiver, allowing the oil buyers to use foreign ships without prior approval, as it had when it released oil from the strategic reserve after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. When the industry protested the proposed blanket waiver in June, the administration said it would review each application. To date, there have been 47 shipments of oil from the caverns in Texas and Louisiana where the petroleum reserves are stored, according to maritime industry officials. One 150,000-barrel shipment moved on a domestic barge.

Most of the shipments were to East Coast refineries from loading points in the Gulf of Mexico.

Administration officials said that the oil was sold in large lots, most of them 500,000 barrels or more, and the dozen or so oil companies and traders that bought them found it faster and more economical to move the oil on 500,000-barrel capacity ocean-going tankers rather than on American-owned coastal barges. With only a couple of exceptions, the coastal barges tend to hold 150,000 barrels or less.

Clark Stevens, a White House spokesman, said that the administration tried to accommodate the domestic maritime industry by lowering the minimum lot size and by considering individual waivers. The administration would have preferred to use American ships but they were not available, he said.

In an e-mailed statement, he said: “Due to the volumes requested by the purchasing companies and the focus on getting this oil to U.S. markets as quickly as possible, the Department of Homeland Security — working with the Maritime Administration and the Department of Energy — determined that individual Jones Act waivers were appropriate since the U.S. fleet had only small barges available, and the buyers bid on the basis of larger, more efficient tankers.”

OSG, a shipping company based in New York, transported oil for three of the oil companies that bought crude from the petroleum reserve. It moved one shipment on an American-flagged barge and three on large tankers that are registered in the Republic of the Marshall Islands.

Morten Arntzen, the company’s chief executive, said that the United States was not an oil-exporting country and therefore did not have the capacity to move large shipments of oil on short notice. He said that a relatively large sale from the petroleum reserve was a rare event and that it did not make sense for domestic oil shippers to maintain fleets of tankers.

“The United States hasn’t been exporting oil for decades, so this isn’t a cargo movement anybody positions their fleets for,” he said.

Government officials said that since 1995, 39 American-flagged large-capacity tankers had been taken out of commission, leaving only nine such ships, which generally are used on runs to the West Coast from Alaska. None were available on the short timeline dictated by the government, officials said.

The maritime operators said there was sufficient domestic shipping capacity available, although it would have required breaking the oil shipments into smaller lots, increasing the cost and prolonging delivery times.

Mr. Coakley of the Waterways Operators said that domestic jobs should have been more important than the speed of delivery.

“The urgency of that timeline is ridiculous when you consider that today, two months after the sale of the oil, almost 10 million barrels of the 30 million barrels released hasn’t yet been transported,” he said.

Mr. King said, “I don’t see this as a partisan issue. But I would think a Democratic administration would be making some effort to help American workers.”


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Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness: A-zinger tweat
« Reply #923 on: August 26, 2011, 10:43:16 AM »
Past PGA champion, ESPN Golf analyst Paul Azinger tweets:
Facts: Potus has played more golf this month than I have: I have created more jobs this month than he has.

(Azinger recently launched a new application for the iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch called Golfplan: http://golfplanpro.com/)

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #924 on: September 01, 2011, 05:20:08 AM »
Looks like His Glibness is backing off from trying to speak during the Rep. candidates debate  :lol:

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« Reply #925 on: September 01, 2011, 09:50:20 AM »
"Looks like His Glibness is backing off from trying to speak during the Rep. candidates debate"

It seems the bully who wanted to take audience from the Republican debate now can compete the the long awaited NFL opener with the world champion Wisconsin Packers playing the 2 year ago champion New Orleans Saints.  The excesses of capitalism go straight up against yet another round of government-centric job talk.  Nielson ratings callers will be busy.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #926 on: September 01, 2011, 09:57:05 AM »
Being from WI I know what I will watch.  :-D

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« Reply #927 on: September 01, 2011, 10:55:45 AM »
 :lol:

In Brandon Lee's movie ("In the Line of Fire"?) one bad guy says to another bad guy "Don't ask for what you can't take." 

Word!

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« Reply #928 on: September 01, 2011, 11:02:58 AM »
"Being from WI I know what I will watch."

I will miss the Reagan center debates Wednesday with my aging warrior team (senior tennis) training for nationals.  For the great ratings war on Thurs maybe I will watch exciting debate replays.  Don't tell me who won.  :wink:

For a real Obama jobs plan announcement, may I respectfully suggest that he and his terrorist veep resign during the speech. THAT would signal to the markets and to the world that he is serious.

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« Reply #929 on: September 01, 2011, 11:45:51 AM »
Obama needs to do an LBJ, let Shillary or another dem take a swing. He never was that into the job anyway. He's already got a new trip to Tahiti lined up, to show the public how much he cares.

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« Reply #930 on: September 01, 2011, 12:19:14 PM »
"let Shillary or another dem take a swing"

Well Sabato was on saying how Brock HAS to go negative against the Republicans (hasn't he always done this in retrospect?) because he cannot run on his record.

If everyone agrees that it is true the incumbant's record is such a failure than why is running at all?

If his campaign strategy is vote for me the other guy is worse then he should for the "sake of the American people" step aside and get out of the way.


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Early Obama letter confirms inability to write.
« Reply #931 on: September 01, 2011, 06:08:40 PM »
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html
August 29, 2011
Early Obama Letter Confirms Inability to Write
By Jack Cashill
On November 16, 1990, Barack Obama, then president of the Harvard Law Review, published a letter in the Harvard Law Record, an independent Harvard Law School newspaper, championing affirmative action.

Although a paragraph from this letter was excerpted in David Remnick's biography of Obama, The Bridge, I had not seen the letter in its entirety before this week.  Not surprisingly, it confirms everything I know about Barack Obama, the writer and thinker.

Obama was prompted to write by an earlier letter from a Mr. Jim Chen that criticized Harvard Law Review's affirmative action policies.  Specifically, Chen had argued that affirmative action stigmatized its presumed beneficiaries.

The response is classic Obama: patronizing, dishonest, syntactically muddled, and grammatically challenged.  In the very first sentence Obama leads with his signature failing, one on full display in his earlier published work: his inability to make subject and predicate agree.

"Since the merits of the Law Review's selection policy has been the subject of commentary for the last three issues," wrote Obama, "I'd like to take the time to clarify exactly how our selection process works."

If Obama were as smart as a fifth-grader, he would know, of course, that "merits ... have."  Were there such a thing as a literary Darwin Award, Obama could have won it on this on one sentence alone.  He had vindicated Chen in his first ten words.

Although the letter is fewer than a thousand words long, Obama repeats the subject-predicate error at least two more times.  In one sentence, he seemingly cannot make up his mind as to which verb option is correct so he tries both: "Approximately half of this first batch is chosen ... the other half are selected ... "

Another distinctive Obama flaw is to allow a string of words to float in space.  Please note the unanchored phrase in italics at the end of this sentence:

"No editors on the Review will ever know whether any given editor was selected on the basis of grades, writing competition, or affirmative action, and no editors who were selected with affirmative action in mind."  Huh?

The next lengthy sentence highlights a few superficial style flaws and a much deeper flaw in Obama's political philosophy.

I would therefore agree with the suggestion that in the future, our concern in this area is most appropriately directed at any employer who would even insinuate that someone with Mr. Chen's extraordinary record of academic success might be somehow unqualified for work in a corporate law firm, or that such success might be somehow undeserved.

Obama would finish his acclaimed memoir, Dreams from My Father, about four years later.  Prior to Dreams, and for the nine years following, everything Obama wrote was, like the above sentence, an uninspired assemblage of words with a nearly random application of commas and tenses.

Unaided, Obama tends to the awkward, passive, and verbose.  The phrase "our concern in this area is most appropriately directed at any employer" would more profitably read, "we should focus on the employer." "Concern" is simply the wrong word.

Scarier than Obama's style, however, is his thinking.  A neophyte race-hustler after his three years in Chicago, Obama is keen to browbeat those who would "even insinuate" that affirmative action rewards the undeserving, results in inappropriate job placements, or stigmatizes its presumed beneficiaries.

In the case of Michelle Obama, affirmative action did all three.  The partners at Sidley Austin learned this the hard way.  In 1988, they hired her out of Harvard Law under the impression that the degree meant something.  It did not.  By 1991, Michelle was working in the public sector as an assistant to the mayor.  By 1993, she had given up her law license.

Had the partners investigated Michelle's background, they would have foreseen the disaster to come.  Sympathetic biographer Liza Mundy writes, "Michelle frequently deplores the modern reliance on test scores, describing herself as a person who did not test well."

She did not write well, either.  Mundy charitably describes her senior thesis at Princeton as "dense and turgid."  The less charitable Christopher Hitchens observes, "To describe [the thesis] as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be 'read' at all, in the strict sense of the verb.  This is because it wasn't written in any known language."

Michelle had to have been as anxious at Harvard Law as Bart Simpson was at Genius School.  Almost assuredly, the gap between her writing and that of her highly talented colleagues marked her as an affirmative action admission, and the profs finessed her through.

In a similar vein, Barack Obama was named an editor of the Harvard Law Review.  Although his description of the Law Review's selection process defies easy comprehension, apparently, after the best candidates are chosen, there remains "a pool of qualified candidates whose grades or writing competition scores do not significantly differ."  These sound like the kids at Lake Woebegone, all above average.  Out of this pool, Obama continues, "the Selection Committee may take race or physical handicap into account."

To his credit, Obama concedes that he "may have benefited from the Law Review's affirmative action policy."  This did not strike him as unusual as he "undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career."

On the basis of his being elected president of Law Review -- a popularity contest -- Obama was awarded a six-figure contract to write a book.  To this point, he had not shown a hint of promise as a writer, but Simon & Schuster, like Sidley Austin, took the Harvard credential seriously.  It should not have.  For three years Obama floundered as badly as Michelle had at Sidley Austin.  Simon & Schuster finally pulled the contract.

Then Obama found his muse -- right in the neighborhood, as it turns out!  And promptly, without further ado, the awkward, passive, ungrammatical Obama, a man who had not written one inspired sentence in his whole life, published what Time Magazine called "the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician."

To question the nature of that production, I have learned, is to risk the abuse promised to Mr. Chen's theoretical employer.  After all, who would challenge Obama's obvious talent -- or that of any affirmative action beneficiary -- but those blinded by what Obama calls "deep-rooted ignorance and bias"?


What else could it be?


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Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness: Lector in Chief
« Reply #932 on: September 02, 2011, 10:19:26 PM »
The writing is instructive.  Amazing for one thing because it seems to be a rare sighting of what is likely his own work.  He starts with a simple grammatical error, holds himself up as evidence the system is working and dives into to a logic-free loop of impossible to follow ramble.   When he said later, Harry I have gift, I think he meant the delivery not the writing of speeches.
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Next week if everyone shows up we will have the entire Executive and Legislative branches assembled all in one room and the one who knows the very least in the country about job creation will be the only person allowed to speak. Unbelievable.

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Cognitive Dissonance: The feeling is mutual!
« Reply #933 on: September 05, 2011, 06:45:14 PM »
A satirist at Reason magazine writes that the Obama administration's approval of the American public has now dipped to an all time low.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/02/state-of-the-union

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WSJ: Too small for too big a stage
« Reply #934 on: September 06, 2011, 06:14:39 AM »
In everyday life, when you don't have something to say, you avoid the stage. In our nation's capital, by contrast, the world operates like the one Alice found behind the Looking Glass. That's a world where you have to run as hard as you can just to stay still. Which helps explain why President Obama will this week be addressing a joint session of Congress that doesn't really want to hear from him about a jobs plan that he doesn't really have.

Expectations are high, the byproduct of a highly publicized back and forth with Republican Speaker John Boehner over the date of the president's speech. If you're a White House with a message, that's a good thing. Unfortunately for President Obama, he doesn't have one.

How do we know he doesn't? We know it from the White House itself. On Friday, Ed Henry quoted an unnamed presidential aide telling Fox News that while he didn't want to "downplay the speech," he needed to shoot down "the idea that this is the be-all and end-all."

So if this is not the "be-all and end-all" we've been told it was for weeks, why the initial announcement it would be held the same night Republican presidential candidates were holding a televised debate? And why do it before a joint session of Congress?

The answer to the first is that the speech most probably did not start out as a calculated attempt to upstage the Republican candidates. More likely, Thursday night was what White House aides originally had in mind—until they realized it would clash with the NFL's opening day. So they moved it back a day. That backfired because it looked so ungracious, but if you were President Obama, whom would you rather go up against: the GOP or the Green Bay Packers?

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Barack Obama: Too small for the house?
.The answer to the other question has more to do with our Looking Glass Beltway. In this universe, a bigger stage is often the solution for a lack of substance. Put it this way: Without the backdrop of a joint session of Congress, how many networks would broadcast another Obama jobs speech?

You can't fault the logic. When Mr. Obama entered office, he told us unemployment would not rise over 8% if we passed his stimulus. Now his economic advisers have just told us that unemployment will not fall below the 9% mark through next year. As if to underscore the grim news, the latest jobs report—released in time for Labor Day weekend—shows zero net job growth for August.

The politics requires not only that the president address the economy's dismal jobs performance but that he be seen by the American people to be doing it. And that's where the teleprompter meets the road.

The truth is that there is practically nothing Mr. Obama could do to gin up better jobs numbers before next year's election without massively increasing the deficit—and the Republicans won't let him do that. Even with the word "stimulus" banished from his remarks this week, no one will be fooled by new calls to "invest" in roads and bridges and infrastructure. Or by the expected hodgepodge of other proposals from extending the payroll tax holiday to tax credits for new hires.

The irony is that the president has blown the one chance to do something of substance without looking weak. Back in July when he was negotiating with Speaker Boehner, the two had agreed on a grand bargain that would include real cuts in entitlements. The "give" on the Republican side was that the deal would address "revenues," which to the president means raising taxes and to the speaker means relying on growth to bring in more money to the Treasury's coffers.

For the president, that deal would have allowed him to do something serious about spending—in a highly public and bipartisan way. Even better for him, it might have split the opposition. For such a deal would likely have left Republicans bickering, with some arguing we should wait for a Republican president and others screaming "sellout."

The president, however, got greedy, and killed the deal when he asked for more. That's been his problem all along. Notwithstanding incessant calls to rise above politics, on issue after issue the president has proved himself incapable of matching his large rhetoric with equally large actions.

In music there's a saying about a performance that was "too small for the house." That's becoming true of the president. There was a day when Mr. Obama's taste for the marvelous—a campaign address in Berlin, the faux presidential seal, the Greek columns that surrounded him during his speech accepting the Democratic nomination—all seemed to herald something exciting and historic.

Even inside the Beltway, however, substance ultimately tells. Three years into his presidency, the grander the stage the smaller Mr. Obama comes across.


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Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness: Harry, I lost my gift.
« Reply #935 on: September 06, 2011, 08:47:26 AM »
Yes, small time amateur show in a grand national venue, like perhaps having a middle school football game in the Superdome and the cameras try not to show the empty seats.  In this case, a full house (why would anyone go?) but the cameras will be panning for reactions to a presumably partisan speech touting more already proven to be failed policies.  Is he going to change course? What headline is he looking for Friday morning? Republicans will sit politely expressionless and comment candidly after.  He will give them 1 or 2 fake applause lines, tax reform, exports, trade?  But all that he knows falls into a government centric world pitting labor versus management and bigger and bigger government versus free markets and capital investment.

Combine 2 posts of this morning, 81% say his policies failed, then he demands prime time full venue to draw attention to that, propose more of the same, while calling opponents (the majority in the room) "enemies". "terrorists", "barbarians" and "sons of bitches"?

I suggested that he and Biden resign if the love their country and want jobs to recover before 2013.  The point of reserving this venue and national television spot should only be to announce a serious change of course - endorse real economic growth policies.  Of course he will do neither. The only thing he knows how to do is blame others and propose more of the same.

For a clue as to content, the new chair of his economic advisers was the lead administrator of Cash for Clunkers.  Yet he still expects the reaction to be women fainting in the front row??  Unless they poisoned the food, it ain't gonna happen. 

Sorry Harry, I have lost my gift.   

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #936 on: September 06, 2011, 08:56:17 AM »
Above posts simply confirm that OBama is nothing more than a messanger.

There is no evidence he has ever been creative or an original thinker.

Clearly his books were not written by him.

I have not seen one example of anything that is original thought on his part.

Indeed it is remarkable this guy who went to Columbia and Harvard has absolutely no writing which indicates any creative thinking.   From what I recall reading about other Harvard law students and professors their lauding him was based only on his seeming ability to referee differences.  He seemed to make everyone think he agreed with them on all sides of arguments or debates and in the end no one knew what HE actually believed.  

Similarly today he plays Reagan, Lincoln, Clinton, Bush, all the while attempting to hide his real agenda.  Even though everyone is on to him now he still plays the same game.  Because - he knows no other.  IT also fits my theory he is a try disordered personality who will continue to lie, scape goat, blame others, and be a pompous ass - to the end.  

That said it is quite clear why he is such a failure.  Without taking marching orders from the real brains behind the progressive movement he is lost as to what to do.

His backing off the climate emmissions regulations is really an example of he knows full well his policies kill the economy.

Yet he is so set on his ideolgical agenda her won't give in.


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness
« Reply #937 on: September 06, 2011, 09:18:28 AM »
CCP,  Besides his dearth of writings, there is no evidence or indication anywhere that he has even read a book on economics that did not oppose our economic system.

CCP: "His backing off the climate emissions regulations is really an example of he knows full well his policies kill the economy."

Spot on, as well as his agreement to 'extend the Bush tax cuts'.  He knows full well that taxes, regulations and spread the wealth programs are economic killers.  He was willing to accept anti-growth 'fairness' in an academic sense, but the reality of it setting in is killing his Presidency and our country.  He is troubled by the former more so than the latter.
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WSJ: Baraq by the numbers
« Reply #938 on: September 08, 2011, 08:25:54 AM »
By MICHAEL J. BOSKIN
When it comes to the economy, presidents, like quarterbacks, often get more credit or blame than they deserve. They inherit problems and policies that affect the economy well into their presidencies and beyond. Reagan inherited Carter's stagflation, George H.W. Bush twin financial crises (savings & loan and Third World debt), and their fixes certainly benefitted the Clinton economy.

President Obama inherited a deep recession and financial crisis resulting from problems that had been building for years. Those responsible include borrowers and lenders on Wall Street and Main Street, the Federal Reserve, regulatory agencies, ratings agencies, presidents and Congress.

Mr. Obama's successor will inherit his deficits and debt (i.e., pressure for higher taxes), inflation and dollar decline. But fairly or not, historians document what occurred on your watch and how you dealt with your in-box. Nearly three years since his election and more than two years since the economic recovery began, Mr. Obama has enacted myriad policies at great expense to American taxpayers and amid political rancor. An interim evaluation is in order.

And there's plenty to evaluate: an $825 billion stimulus package; the Public-Private Investment Partnership to buy toxic assets from the banks; "cash for clunkers"; the home-buyers credit; record spending and budget deficits and exploding debt; the auto bailouts; five versions of foreclosure relief; numerous lifelines to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; financial regulation and health-care reform; energy subsidies, mandates and moratoria; and constant demands for higher tax rates on "the rich" and businesses.

Consider the direct results of the Obama programs. A few have performed better than expected—e.g., the auto bailouts, although a rapid private bankruptcy was preferable and GM and Chrysler are not yet denationalized successes. But the failed stimulus bill cost an astounding $280,000 per job—over five times median pay—by the administration's inflated estimates of jobs "created or saved," and much more using more realistic estimates.

Cash for clunkers cost $3 billion, just to shift car sales forward a few months. The Public-Private Investment Partnership, despite cheap federal loans, generated 3% of the $1 trillion claimed, and toxic assets still hobble some financial institutions. The Dodd-Frank financial reform law institutionalized "too big to fail" amid greater concentration of banking assets and mortgages in Fannie and Freddie. The foreclosure relief program permanently modified only a small percentage of the four million mortgages the president promised. And even Mr. Obama now admits that the shovels weren't ready in all those "shovel-ready" stimulus projects.

Perpetually overpromising and underdelivering is not remotely good enough, not even for government work. No corporate CEO could survive such a clear history of failure. The economic records set on Mr. Obama's watch really are historic (see nearby table). These include the first downgrade of sovereign U.S. debt in American history, and, relative to GDP, the highest federal spending in U.S. history save the peak years of World War II, plus the highest federal debt since just after World War II.

The employment picture doesn't look any better. The fraction of the population working is the lowest since 1983. Long-term unemployment is by far the highest since the Great Depression. Job growth during the first two years of recovery after a severe recession is the slowest in postwar history.

Moreover, the home-ownership rate is the lowest since 1965 and foreclosures are at a post-Depression high. And perhaps most ominously, the share of Americans paying income taxes is the lowest in the modern era, while dependency on government is the highest in U.S. history.

That's quite a record, although not what Mr. Obama and his supporters had in mind when they pronounced this presidency historic.

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Close...President Obama constantly reminds us, with some justification, that he was dealt a difficult hand. But the evidence is overwhelming that he played it poorly. His big government spending, debt and regulation fix has clearly failed. Relative to previous recoveries from deep recessions, the results are disastrous. A considerable fraction of current joblessness, lower living standards, dependency on government and destroyed savings is the result. Worse, his debt explosion will be a drag on economic growth for years to come.

Mr. Obama was never going to enthusiastically embrace pro-market, pro-growth policies. But many of his business and Wall Street supporters (some now former supporters) believed he would govern more like President Clinton, post-1994. After a stunning midterm defeat, Mr. Clinton embarked on an "era of big government is over" collaboration with a Republican Congress to reform welfare, ratify the North American Free Trade Agreement and balance the budget. But Mr. Obama starts far further left than Mr. Clinton and hence has a much longer journey to the center.

The president still has time to rebound from his economic policy missteps by promoting permanent, predictable policies to strengthen forecasted anemic growth. But do Mr. Obama and his advisers realize their analysis of the economic crisis was flawed and their attempted solutions mostly misconceived? That vast spending, temporary tax rebates and social engineering did little of lasting value at immense cost? That the prospect of ever more regulation and taxation created widespread uncertainty and severely damaged incentives and confidence? That the repeated attempts to prevent markets (e.g., the housing market) from naturally bottoming and rebounding have created confusion and inhibited recovery?


Can Mr. Obama change course, given the evidence that the economy responded poorly to top-down direction from Washington rather than the bottom-up individual initiative that is the key to strong growth? Is he willing to rein in the entitlement state erected under radically different economic and demographic conditions? And will he reform the corporate and personal income taxes with much lower rates on a broader base? Or is he going to propose the same failed policies—more spending, social engineering, temporary tax cuts and permanent tax hikes?

On the answer to these questions, much of Mr. Obama's, and the nation's, future rests.

Mr. Boskin, a professor of economics at Stanford and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, chaired the Council of Economic Advisers under President George H.W. Bush.


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Spread the Wealth? Millions fewer millionaires was not a good jobs program.
« Reply #939 on: September 08, 2011, 09:00:21 AM »
Perhaps the most memorable and candid moment from the summer of Obama 2008 was this line in a long explanation of how good his elaborate economic tinkering could be for this country:

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/10/spread-the-weal/

My observations 3 years later:

a) When we had economic growth, the emphasis of the left was always on disparity, not success or opportunity.

b) Obama succeeded in the first part: there are now millions fewer millionaires.

c) Destroying, capturing and hindering the creation of obscene, excess wealth did not help the downtrodden whatsoever.  To pick the one group where his message resonates best, black unemployment doubled since Dems took power in Washington.  Who knew?

d) Lastly and the reason I bring that quote back is that he was specifically and memorably admitting that we had wealth in this country just before he won the Presidency.  In 3 years we went from an academic argument about what to do with our wealth to not being able to find any.
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« Reply #940 on: September 08, 2011, 01:22:38 PM »
"there are now millions fewer millionaires."

I believe you.  Any chance you have a citation for this?  There's someone I would love to beat up with it  :evil:


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« Reply #941 on: September 08, 2011, 01:46:17 PM »
I don't! It's not true!   :-D
Fact  -  There are 8% more millionaires in 2010 than 2009. And in
2009 the number rose too.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/16/news/economy/millionaires/index.htm

The rich get richer and the middle class pays.  :-(

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« Reply #942 on: September 08, 2011, 01:53:15 PM »
Over to you Doug , , ,

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« Reply #943 on: September 08, 2011, 07:45:06 PM »
I agree with JDN. - Just kidding.  :wink:

First this: "The rich get richer and the middle class pays."

What did that mean?  As rich get richer, they pay more and more in dollar and percentage of the load.  Is there any data that say otherwise?  In what way does the middle class pay at a higher rate than the rich?  At the median 50th percentile (middle) taxpayer, the federal income tax they pay is zero.

When a news story conflicts with what you see with your own eyes it is time to dig deeper.  A couple of things stand out that I see.  For one thing, in the story they admit the total number still has not recovered to pre-recession levels.  For another thing, the 'illusory gains' mentioned in the March story unfortunately were wiped out by the market performance over the summer.

The rich do get richer in times of real economic growth.  But now we have stocks down again.  Real estate down.  Sure some are getting richer - likely investing outside the reach of the regulatory hurricane and the impending U.S. tax increases.  

The point really is just that the plights of investors and workers are inextricably linked.  When you attack investment, you hurt jobs.  You don't spread the wealth.  You destroy the wealth.

The story that caused me to make that comment was this in the WSJ last week:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512501087811480.html?mod=googlenews_wsj&_nocache=1315498848661&mg=com-wsj

Review and Outlook - Wall Street Journal  - AUGUST 17, 2011

Millionaires Go Missing
There's nothing like a recession to level incomes.



Speaking of "millionaires and billionaires" (see above), the real tax news is that there are fewer of both these days. This month the IRS released more detailed tax data for 2009, and the nearby table records the decline of the taxpaying rich.

In 2007, 390,000 tax filers reported adjusted gross income of $1 million or more and paid $309 billion in taxes. In 2009, there were only 237,000 such filers, a decline of 39%. Almost four of 10 millionaires vanished in two years, and the total taxes they paid in 2009 declined to $178 billion, a drop of 42%.

Those with $10 million or more in reported income fell to 8,274 from 18,394 in 2007, a 55% drop. As a result, their tax payments tanked by 51%. These disappearing millionaires go a long way toward explaining why federal tax revenues have sunk to 15% of GDP in recent years. The loss of millionaires accounts for at least $130 billion of the higher federal budget deficit in 2009. If Warren Buffett wants to reduce the deficit, he should encourage policies to create more millionaires, not campaign to tax them more.

The millionaires who are left still pay a mountain of tax. Those who make $1 million accounted for about 0.2% of all tax returns but paid 20.4% of income taxes in 2009. Those with adjusted gross income above $200,000 a year were just under 3% of tax filers but paid 50.1% of the $866 billion in total personal income taxes. This means the top 3% paid more than the bottom 97%. Yet the 3% are the people that President Obama claims don't pay their fair share. Before the recession, the $200,000 income group paid 54.5% of the income tax.

For the past three decades, the political left has obsessed about income inequality. As the economy experienced one of the largest and lengthiest economic booms in history from 1982-2007, the left moaned that the gains went to yacht club members.

Well, if equality of income is the priority, liberals should be thrilled with the last four years. The recession and weak recovery have been income levelers. Those who make more than $200,000 captured one-quarter of the $7.6 trillion in total income in 2009. In 2007 the over-$200,000 crowd had one-third of reported U.S. taxable income. Those with incomes above $1 million earned 9.5% of total income in 2009, down from 16.1% in 2007.

It's an old story: The best way to produce income equality is to destroy trillions of dollars of wealth. Everyone loses, but the rich lose relatively more than the poor and the middle class. By that measure, if few others, Obamanomics has been a raging success.
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« Reply #944 on: September 08, 2011, 09:55:44 PM »
Ah Doug, you Subject was "Spread the Wealth? Millions fewer millionaires was not a good jobs program."

The FACT is there are 8% more millionaires in 2010 and 16% more millionaires in 2009!    :-o :-o :-o

I guess Crafty will have to hold his comments....   :evil:

The fact is more are getting richer under Obama....  More MILLIONAIRES  in spite of a down real estate market.  They are just not paying taxes.... 
Obviously, they are NOT "paying MORE as a percentage of the load".
But then that's another problem that needs to be addressed....   :-)

The rich are not "spreading the wealth" rather they are clipping coupons and $%^$$$ the middle class.  And we are suppose to reduce their taxes???   :?
Waren Buffett is right....

The rich will always keep their wealth; it's the middle class I worry about.  As CCP pointed out, the disparity of incomes is truly atrocious. 

I noticed the President of Yahoo, a local company, just got fired for incompetence.  She was on the job for less than 2 years.  She was a failure.  Yet her Golden Handshake is approximately 10 million dollars.   :-o

What does the average middle class guy get when he get's fired for incompetence?

America needs to support the middle class...  The rich always take care of themselves....  And they %^&**$$$ everyone else.

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« Reply #945 on: September 08, 2011, 11:26:46 PM »
Sorry but I don't speak emotocon very well and I think we have had this argument before.

"Obviously, they are NOT "paying MORE as a percentage of the load"."

Sorry, nothing is obvious to me.  Please link or support that.  You are saying their income went up in a progressive rate system.  If so, their load increased.

Yes, the economy is growing consistently now at about 0.0% under Obama so it is possible that people are getting richer.  Your March data ignore the summer crash and the years you point to deny when power actually changed in Washington:

The policy arrow in Washington turned over to the spread-the-wealth /tax-the-rich direction in Nov 2006.  That was when the young glibness and cohorts took majority in both chambers of congress and that was when W took lame duck status according to every liberal leftist pundit and awake observer:

Washington Post Nov. 2006:  "Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid of Nevada told supporters, "All across America tonight . . . there is in the air a wind of change." "  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110700473.html

Yes.  Change for the worse.

CBS 2006: "Bush Is Now A Lame Duck"  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/17/opinion/meyer/main1623700.shtml

Yes.  Democrats will be calling the shots and are promising to raise taxes and spread wealth.  Probably expand the CRA too and get the last homeless person into home ownership...

Christian Science Monitor, November 8, 2006: Bush faces daunting challenges in his lame-duck years  http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1108/p09s01-cojh.html

Washington Post  October 18, 2006:  Elections May Leave Bush An Early Lame Duck  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701586.html

Huffington Post:  Bush was a lame duck President after the 2006 Mid-terms according to Democrats like Harry Reid and Nanci Pelosi and the CBS,ABC,MS­NBC,NPR,CN­N,NYT,AP,R­UETERS,DNC­, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/GulfportM/gdp-us-q2-second-quarter-expectations_n_913032_99898728.html

50 months consecutive job growth ended at this moment.  What changed?  You've got a different theory?



"And we are suppose to reduce their taxes??"

No.  You aren't supposed to do anything.  But if you want to stop the job killing you will have to alleviate the disincentives to produce.  You are supposed to fight back for more job killing and we are supposed to defeat you.  (Why do you revert to arguing anti-growth economics while endorsing Huntsman before and after he came out with a supply side plan?)

For all of this time in power there has been a promise that tax rates will be raised on the rich right around the next corner.  For the most part that never happened so we got the Murphy's Law combination of all of the production and wealth destruction with none of the revenue increases that the higher rates would have allegedly yielded.  Completely braindead economics.  His new chief economic adviser was the architect of cash for clunkers.  Now it is the OBAMA tax cut extensions that need to be made permanent, yet he refuses to remove this warclub from over their heads while he piles on page after page of new regulations and presiding over a doubling of energy costs.  

What part of OWNERSHIP of their results do they not understand?
 


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« Reply #946 on: September 08, 2011, 11:41:50 PM »
"the disparity of incomes is truly atrocious."

The disparity in what different people produce in the economy is 'atrocious'.


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« Reply #947 on: September 09, 2011, 04:24:40 AM »
Maybe we can create some sort of govenment agency that could redistribute the wealth?

What could possibly go wrong?

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« Reply #948 on: September 09, 2011, 05:11:24 AM »
The point about Bush being a political nullity from 2006 forward seems a fair one to me, thus muddying the meaning of the data from 2007-9 about the number of millionaires. 

What I notice in my life is that the low interest rate policies are in fact a war on savers.   Given the chaos in the markets I would dearly love to have a place of refuge for what I have left that did not automatically entail losses -- which is how I perceive the interface of current interest rates for savers and inflation plus taxes.  Even accepting the IMO dishonest official inflation rate taxes, interest rates for savers are now negative and we the taxpayers are subsidizing free money to the same bankers who gleefully exploited the Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's loan guarantees (loans at rates below t-bill rates). 

The class warfare of "tax the rich" is IMO both an absurdity (the top 3% already pay as much as everyone else so how can it be said that they are not paying their share?) and a deception (don't notice that we are bailing out the banks instead of allowing them to go bankrupt and be taken over by new owners).


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« Reply #949 on: September 09, 2011, 07:31:53 AM »
Crafty: "The point about Bush being a political nullity from 2006 forward seems a fair one to me, thus muddying the meaning of the data from 2007-9 about the number of millionaires."

It doesn't muddy the waters; and I'm not trying to spin the data, or find the "meaning" just report the facts.  There were more millionaires the last two years....

JDN "Obviously, they are NOT "paying MORE as a percentage of the load"."

Doug: "Sorry, nothing is obvious to me.  Please link or support that.  You are saying their income went up in a progressive rate system.  If so, their load increased."

I'm just using your data/link Doug.  Fact, (my link) there are more millionaires the last two years.  Fact, (your link) shows a decline of millionaire taxpayers.

I guess my logic was that since there are 25% more millionaires today than two years ago, but less millionaires according to the tax rolls, a lot of millionaires are not paying their share, nor
are they paying MORE; actually they seem to be paying less as a group according to your data.

That said, I am not proposing "class warfare" or a "tax the rich" plan.  But a small increase is obviously affordable.  Further, as Doug's data indicates, as does Buffett mention, the rich are able to avoid taxes
much easier than the middle class.

We toss out horrid progressive tax numbers, but few rich pay even close to the top.  I'ld rather see a lower number like Huntsman suggested, but eliminate ALL the deductions and tax havens.   
It's more honest.  Frankly, I bet a lot of the rich end up paying more if all their precious deductions are eliminated.