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Susan Rice may run against Collins in Maine
« Reply #800 on: October 08, 2018, 01:57:49 PM »
in Main:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/10/08/icymi-susan-rice-challenged-susan-collinss-seat-n2526053

only a smidgen worse then Collins anyway.

Susan Collins Liberty score - lower the Democrat !

We need more conservatives
Yes Collins is likable but is there no possibility of anyone with more conservative views then her winning in Maine.

Is it as bad as California or New Jersey ?  I don';t know.  :|

Just for a quick comparison here is the dreaded Nancy Pelosi's score is 10%  even Adam Schiff's is higher @ 16 % !

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #802 on: October 27, 2018, 04:18:19 PM »
"SOCIALIST" SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES SKYROCKET UP LASSIEZ-FAIRE INDEX"

now link that to this: 

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/overwhelmed-refugee-flows-scandinavia-tempers-its-warm-welcome

coincidence?

stagnation in a social democrat country that  mass immigration did not fix by itself ?  Shocking  :roll:

so lets do it here too -  keeps the statists in power.

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The Way Forward for the American Creed, Road Blocked
« Reply #803 on: November 07, 2018, 09:40:19 AM »
Today we start anew with a fresh sense of national pessimism.  If you are liberal leftist Democrat, you just lost the Senate and the Federal Courts for a long time. 

If you are conservative and a limited government, free market advocate, you lost all the cities and now lost the suburbs, the places were people live.  The conservative margin in Texas was 3 points and moving away.  Colorado gone.  Nevada lost. Midwest lost.  Nearly lost Arizona and Florida running against really bad candidates.  Montana is a toss up??!!  Are you kidding?  And that was a good year for Republicans in the Senate?

We lost the Governor race in MN and the state House.  Keith Ellison is the state's new AG.  Scott Walker lost Wisconsin.  My congressman lost by 11 points in a seat Republicans held since JFK.  He was Chair of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress during strong economic times.  No matter.  That wasn't the issue.  My state house rep lost in a suburban district where R's held it since statehood.

As soon as the economy does well, people turn to other issues.  ISIS was defeated; no one noticed.  When war ends and peace sets in, people turn to other issues.  People take success for granted then turn to past failure for new answers.  Stuck on stupid, government can run things better than free people??

Without repeating rants of the past too much, our side sucks at messaging.

With no messaging to the contrary, people address the affordability of future healthcare concern with policies that make employment and incomes go down and healthcare costs go up.  They forget the peace through strength they enjoy requires strength to keep the peace and that the vibrancy of the private economy they enjoy requires the basic economic foundations that make a private economy thrive.

Without clear messaging on our side the Left just keeps advancing. 

Take Barack Obama for example, he not only didn't achieve economic growth or healthcare security, he didn't want those.  He and they want you insecure and dependent on them.  When you lose, they win and tell you how much they can help.  And it works, absent a different message. 

We want more and more and more people to be strong and self-sufficient.  To make their own choices and pay their own bills, not everyone else's.  How, outside of a Trump rally to Trump supporters, do you message that and win over independents and well-meaning, more moderate Democrats?

Trump needs to continue reforming regulations that never went through Congress in the first place.  One great example of a major advance that can be done without an act of Congress is to index capital gains to inflation.  He can make a historic agreement with China and he can put more constitutionalists on the Court.

Then what?  There is no agenda going forward.  That was the problem with yesterday's election.  They outspent us in every race.  Why?  Without an agenda, what do we give money to?  I gave money to my congressman do he could shun Trump and me and coddle Democrats and Dem issues and he lost.  Republicans acted like their work is done and a large number of them retired without finding a replacement that could hold their seat.  The outgoing Republican Governor of Maine said he's moving to Florida because of the tax rates.  Maybe he could have waited until Wednesday to announce that.  One more Governorship lost along with the redistricting that goes with it.  Without a positive agenda and successful communication of it we lose the next election and the next.

Our work isn't done and the playing field keeps getting worse.  Should we just give up or start working harder and smarter with an emphasis on smarter?

Any ideas?

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #804 on: November 07, 2018, 01:27:10 PM »
From conservative review , by Dan Horowitz one of the minority of very smart Jews (along with Levin) on our side:
For me I sadly and with moral down think he kind of paints this through rose colored glasses but he as he always does , have some good points:

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/10-observations-on-the-failed-blue-wave/

I am sure we will be seeing more thoughts about this in the future.
I do think if Trump was smoother and more inclusive we would not have seen this outcome.
Yes I know all politics is local but I just don't think it that simple this time.

Sometimes the gut beats all the darn reams of data statistics and chart drawing.



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Jonah's points food for thought
« Reply #806 on: November 11, 2018, 08:53:09 AM »
I agree that Trump has not expanded our party ;   I disagree that the Trumpsters war is with the rinos (like Jonah)  .  It certainly is the LEFT.   I am not sure whether we have MORe support from rinos or not is the issue.  It is can we attract more young independents or fence sitters.
Why can we never attract more minorities
why are they so fervently glued to their crat party?
Trump has not really reached out .  Saying "what you got to lose" [to black voters to vote for him] ain't the answer!

https://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/trump-republican-party-midterm-losses-governing-coalition/

I think Trump has best shot at being Rep nominee in 20 but I predict he would lose against many crats
We are a downward sprial
My head is not buried in the sand .

We lose Arizona ?  20 % latino . the states with the second most illegals .  Any coincidence  .   Ann Coulter has had it right as did I for years.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #807 on: November 11, 2018, 12:44:07 PM »
Florida just legalizes 1.x million felons to vote.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #808 on: November 11, 2018, 02:26:44 PM »
"Florida just legalizes 1.x million felons to vote."

yes ; seems like this story is under the radar but this will turn Florida over to the  Democrats for good .


We're done.
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Re: Identifying with America
« Reply #810 on: November 16, 2018, 07:05:07 PM »
https://www.psypost.org/2018/11/identifying-with-the-united-states-shrinks-the-moral-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-52595

“The caveat is that when you look at how many liberals feel deeply aligned with the U.S., it’s less than the number of conservatives who feel that way about their country. So really it’s a minority of liberals who have similar ‘groupy’ values like conservatives. Also, we need to see whether these findings extend to other countries.”

I'd like to see the raw numbers of leftists who "feel deeply aligned with the U.S." I suspect it's the same percentage of extremely physically attractive feminists you find in the feminist population.  :roll:

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They *still* don't get it as far as i can tell
« Reply #811 on: December 21, 2018, 06:26:39 AM »

The goal should be to keep our values relevant and we are fighting for our political lives against that has no scruples no whims no compromise towards socialized statism
and globalism.

We need someone who is going to STAND UP to this .  This is what we should be about .  Conservatism through nice talk and reaching across the aisel to shake hands and have polite debate is dead. 

The enemy party is not playing that way. 

Some will not accept this I guess.  We don't have the medea the academics  to promote conservative values .  I never hear fighting spirit from the never trumpsters rinos etc
It is always gentlemanly like discussion and "problem solving" and "working together" .

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/post-trump-republican-party-unity-essential/

The question in not how do we get rinos and never trumpers on board with the trumpers.
the question is how to beat back the progressive onslaught.

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One of GMs favorite writers
« Reply #812 on: December 22, 2018, 10:32:13 AM »
GM who posted Kurt S here before asks , like all of us, what happens after Trump?

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/12/20/who-could-possibly-replace-trump-n2537757

So far no answer but some possibilities

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Re: One of GMs favorite writers
« Reply #813 on: December 22, 2018, 01:28:01 PM »
GM who posted Kurt S here before asks , like all of us, what happens after Trump?

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/12/20/who-could-possibly-replace-trump-n2537757

So far no answer but some possibilities

Always good to read !

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Why all Republicans are not doing this ?
« Reply #814 on: January 03, 2019, 05:42:50 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/republicans-can-win-minority-voters/

seems like good ideas
but I am not holding my breath

Of course Trump won't do this - too much to ask.

Maybe he would go to one Black Church who would be willing to listen to him and give one speech and then turn around and claim how he reached out to Blacks. :roll:


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Re: Why all Republicans are not doing this ?
« Reply #815 on: January 04, 2019, 07:31:52 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/republicans-can-win-minority-voters/

seems like good ideas
but I am not holding my breath
Of course Trump won't do this - too much to ask.
Maybe he would go to one Black Church who would be willing to listen to him and give one speech and then turn around and claim how he reached out to Blacks. :roll:

"Scott also distanced himself from President Trump, who had suggested that the controversial death-toll numbers from Hurricane Maria had been exaggerated for political purposes. (The estimated death toll ranged from 16, as first reported, to nearly 4,700, reported by Harvard researchers, to nearly 3,000, reported a year later by George Washington University.)"

On that question, it depends on where the truth is. 

Minority voters cover a wide range, Cubans differ from Puerto Ricans, are different than inner city blacks, immigrant blacks, Mexican Americans are politically different than Chinese Americans, Somalis different than people who escaped Iraq under Saddam and so on. 

The reach out must go two ways.  The Trump and Republican message should be the same as JFK, a rising tide lifts all boats.  Let's support the rising tide - growing economy - and lift all boats, like theirs.  Trump brags about impressive economic improvements among minority groups, record low Hispanic and black unemployment for example.  The rest of the Republicans seem to have no podium and no message. 

First, I hate group politics but here goes.  Black women as a group are very liberal, more liberal than white women.  Black men are not a group.  Way too many are lost from our productive culture and mostly apolitical.  MANY other black men are hard working, supporting families and middle class or better.  They do not necessarily live in so-called black or minority communities.  They are most certainly a target market for conservatism.

Many Hispanic families are hard working and tax paying, should have the same economic incentives to support growing our economy and protecting our borders.  Some already vote Republican and Trump may actually be raising that number.

Our welfare system is destroying American families especially at the lower economic end and black families are hit disproportionately as has been documented by economic researchers like Thomas Sowell for decades. 

Democrats talk a minority game but their policies make things worse.  The opportunity to win people over has been sitting there for a very long time.  That does not mean pandering or competing with Democrats on their playing field, fee goodies etc.  To me it means talking to them as adults, families, workers, business owners, taxpayers and voters.  What kind of country do you want to raise your children and grandchildren in and start drawing distinctions between our policies and theirs. 

That's what I thought the 17 candidates for the R nomination would do for in 2016 and they didn't.  Elected Republicans and campaigning Republicans spend roughly 0.0% of their time explaining why our policies bring better results for the country and the people.

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The Way Forward for American Creed, How to fight the latest surge from the Left
« Reply #817 on: January 30, 2019, 07:29:22 AM »
Rush Limbaugh yesterday was saying it is a waste of time answering people like Kamala Harris and her "health care is a right", "Medicare for everyone" proposals with the answer that we can't afford it, can't pay for it.  That argument is ineffective.  We don't pay for anything anymore.  And her proposal is that someone else, not you, will be paying for it.

After long analysis he came back that the answer is lines and waits.  If you don't allocate with cost, you allocate by making people wait.

He is partly right with this but we need more, much more.  It is going to take all the intelligence and messaging that we can come up with to counter the polls that show that there IS a free lunch.

He is right on the problem and right on the economics.  If you make all healthcare free for 330 million people (and then increase the flow of people inward), demand is essentially unlimited, supply IS limited and the resulting massive shortages are managed with service denials in the form of wait times.  40 weeks in Canada is nothing compared to what can happen in the US.

That is right for healthcare, lose your private healthcare plan and you will lose healthcare accessibility.  But about the wider argument of socialism and Leftism.  We make sound arguments that seem to resonate with the fewer and fewer people, real economic arguments that are either received as right wing platitudes or not heard at all.

To me the argument against Left and against socialism is the coercion.  People think they can have socialism or just parts of the Venezuelan plan with freedom and not tyranny but they can't.  It takes force and threat of state force to take away liberties and taking away liberties is what Leftism and socialism is.  I don't know how to express that in a way that gets the attention of the young people and the voters in and around the middle.

Your liberty to choose you plan, your provider, your doctor and earn money somewhat freely and spend it with free choice must necessarily be taken away to get to what Kamala and so many other 'Democrats' are describing.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #818 on: January 30, 2019, 07:54:32 AM »
I heard Rush discuss that too.

He is right in a way
the free stuff crowd is never going to give a hoot about the costs since they are all certain the burden will be on others

I thought of another approach.

We have to make this a *generational issue*  and move away from the *class disparity argument*

We have to convince all younger people that universal single payer government controlled health care will drive up the debt
and how that WILL certainly be a disaster up and coming to them .

We cannot afford more government debt .   But we need more concise counter arguments to help control health costs otherwise
Keeping drug prices down - particularly for generics seems like a good start.

My biggest complaint about Trump is zero discussion of the debt
What truly good business man would not be concerned about the cost side of the equation .  Schultz is correct about his focus on it IMHO.


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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed, Amity Schlaes, relearn economics
« Reply #819 on: February 01, 2019, 06:57:06 AM »
https://americanmind.org/features/state-of-the-union-2019/american-needs-to-relearn-economics/

It will take more than a Presidential address for America to relearn that when it comes to economic policy, we need to put markets and property first.

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is more important than Nancy Pelosi. That’s because whether infamous or impolite, Congresswoman Pelosi’s snub of President Trump will pass. With her proposal to raise the top marginal rate on the income tax to 70%, the junior congresswoman from New York has managed a larger feat. Ocasio Cortez has shoved the edifice of economic discourse to the left.

A few years ago, economic consensus stood solidly in the center. Even the wildest proposals from progressive Democrats in Congress could not budge it. They simply did not gain attention when they argued for raising top tax rates beyond 50%.  Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal differs only because it seems to be gaining acceptance among fellow Democrats and more importantly, many citizens. Especially younger ones. Coming on top of another successful push, that of Thomas Piketty on income inequality, the movement is not mere “slippage.” It’s the beginning of a landslide.

Why does an idea gain traction now when it couldn’t in the 1990s? The trouble is the instability of the (formerly centered) economic consensus. In the 1990s or the 2000s the public remembered, in some kind of general way, what a 70% top rate did to the economy in the 1970s. In today’s squeaky tight labor market, few imagine that unemployment could stay above 5% for long. Few imagine the stock market could stay flat for a generation. But for an entire decade in the era of the 70% rate, the decade of the 1970s, unemployment could not get below five percent. From 1966 to 1982, almost a generation, and all years when the 70% rate was in force, the Dow Jones Industrial Average hung in the same frustrating place, just below the 1000 level. If you’ve experienced that, you remember it.

It took a while for the country to see the link between high tax rates and slow growth. There were other factors at work – inflation. And people of in the 1970s could tell themselves that back in the 1950s, good years for employment and markets, the top income tax rate had stood even higher, above 90%.  But taxes did matter in the 1960s and 1970s. The difference was that in sealed economy U.S. business confronted scant competition. But when markets began to open, our tax competitiveness hurt our growth. In a global economy, a 70% tax rate was and is fatally uncompetitive. Only when more pro-growth tax policy became consensus, in the 1980s, did our economy begin to improve—the shift had bumps and took a painful half-decade –and gradually return to being the engine young people assume it always was.

President Trump ought indeed to recall this record when and if he gives the State of the Union. But an exhortation, even from a President, or a Senator, or a 2020 presidential candidate won’t waken the country from its economic amnesia. Nor will training up potential candidates in supply-side bootcamp, as valuable as that is. The amnesia is simply too powerful. The 1970s and its miseries lie too far back. For common sense to penetrate, we need changes in our educational and policy institutions. Those changes are tough, but not more costly than funding elections. Schooling up new candidates in supply-side doctrine is useful, but insufficient. When it comes to imparting economic knowledge, free marketeers should be playing the long game, not merely the election cycle.

Undertaking to change curriculum in established grammar and secondary schools is like undertaking to eliminate a cabinet-level department of the federal government – near impossible. But fortunately nowadays there are workarounds. As I type this, both the charter and the independent schools are expanding. Many of them do teach economics: the Basis Schools, growing fast, are a good example. So are extracurricular programs that impart economics to secondary school students. “Extracurricular” sounds ditsy, but it does not have to be. Eagle Scouts will tell you that the scouting experience did far more to shape their character than any individual curriculum. Alumni of high school debate will report the same thing. At the Coolidge Foundation, we developed a high school debate program in which, by now, thousands of teens have debated tax increases, pro and con. If we and other debate programs could reach hundreds of thousands instead of thousands, we would shore up the discourse of the  center.

Attempting to penetrate faculties of established colleges is again, too often, a fool’s errand. Colleges offer more promise, as Hillsdale, Claremont, Pepperdine, Grove City, and the King’s College in New York have shown. But we need more colleges. Penetrating faculties of other established colleges is again, too often fool’s work. But starting new colleges is possible: my fellow Coolidge board member, Robert Luddy, is in the process of creating one in North Carolina.

Think tanks too have the capacity to open minds. Without Heritage, the Hoover Institution, Cato, and the American Enterprise Institute, the tax cuts of the recent decades would scarcely have been possible.

Each generation though needs its own new think tanks. What could the markets think tanks of the 2020s look like? First of all, they’d put markets first. My own sense is that using the tax code to foster social goals, a strengthening trend in the profit world,  is counterproductive. That’s simply because doing so diverts from the main emphasis of straightforward growth. A child credit is nice. But economically speaking, a child credit is to a capital gains tax cut, as a playpen is to a race car. Only truly markets-oriented cuts permit the quality of growth that can preclude large tax hikes in future.

Another neglected area is property rights. Many of our current institutions demur when it comes to spotlighting property rights, for fear the term “property” sounds selfish. But the truth is that property is the beginning of all markets. (“Ultimately property rights and personal rights are the same thing,” as Coolidge said.) Particularly valuable nowadays would be institutions that analyze data through the lens of classical liberalism. For though Rep. Ocasio Cortez is liberal, she’s not liberal in the classical sense. Advice for the new era can be boiled down. Introduce policies, along with policy-appropriate candidates. Play the long game, not the short. Build your institutions

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What is freedom?
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Identifying DARVO
« Reply #821 on: February 21, 2019, 11:05:03 AM »


He describes DARVO as "a tactic of abusers when confronted where they deny, attack, and then shift blame.  The term came from studies of emotional abuse and sexual trauma, but DARVO behavior shows up in many contexts."  He also views it as "a form of psychological warfare."

DARVO is a behavioral response that perpetrators use when met with their own wrongdoing.  It is an acronym for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.  As Mr. Giesea puts it, "DARVO is a gaslighting tactic to shift blame."

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Dan Crenshaw
« Reply #824 on: May 01, 2019, 06:34:50 AM »

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Josh Hawley on C span this am
« Reply #825 on: May 15, 2019, 07:31:35 AM »
@ 10:45 EST
for anyone interested

he is trying to redirect conservatives toward the future against the old elite guard


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Hawley
« Reply #826 on: May 15, 2019, 08:48:14 AM »
heard a rumor that Hawley writes his own speeches

something sent to me I read he wrote seems like 'might be' on right track but a bit scant on details.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/hawley-in-maiden-senate-floor-speech-wednesday-will-continue-elites/article_2ecb2297-0e67-591e-b73d-bcafb080e962.html

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #827 on: May 15, 2019, 12:10:38 PM »
OK, let's keep an eye on him.














































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Hawley article on NR
« Reply #828 on: May 24, 2019, 05:40:59 AM »
"Elites vs middle class"

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/josh-hawley-attacks-silicon-valley-elites/

I agree there is the clash and civil war in these terms
but I do not see it as a complete picture

I mean it is more about Conservatism vs Progressivism to me.

elites vs middle class paints this as more of a class struggle then political ideology struggle .

Will consider the concept.

"Maybe " a winning formula to win over more to the Republican side - not sure yet.


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david french
« Reply #830 on: June 06, 2019, 08:33:24 AM »
I have found this guy very annoying on multiple occasions
so he gets no sympathy from me but this article that defends his ( to my disagreement) illustrates my overall point:

what choice DO we have?

if not Trump then who?
so what is the point of bashing forever and ceaselessly Trump?

https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-bizarre-conservative-twitter-mob-gunning-for-david-french/

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Re: david french
« Reply #831 on: June 06, 2019, 12:08:38 PM »
Vichy republicans, like French, deserve scorn.

I have found this guy very annoying on multiple occasions
so he gets no sympathy from me but this article that defends his ( to my disagreement) illustrates my overall point:

what choice DO we have?

if not Trump then who?
so what is the point of bashing forever and ceaselessly Trump?

https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-bizarre-conservative-twitter-mob-gunning-for-david-french/

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Will on Maher
« Reply #832 on: June 15, 2019, 10:20:37 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/06/14/george-will-on-the-gop-the-conservative-party-became-fixated-on-what-id-call-crybaby-conservativism/

Why he continues to be stubborn in thinking intellectual purity alone will uphold the Constitution when the reality is we have a party that is ripping it up and is on a long march for total control and socialism is beyond me.

If we did not have political strategy to keep the right in power as long as possible we will not have a right and we will be all subjects and not citizens.

he pooh pahs the media academia celebrity complex as just a distraction -  Republicans spend too much time crybabying about it.
As though it is not important against the grand ideals of the Founders.

Yes one can look at Trump as an abomination but he is the only one who fights for the country against the Left's onslaught. Will would rather have had Hillary Clinton:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2016/06/26/george-will-i-left-the-gop-because-im-a-conservative/

And he still would.  His logic ends with reality.



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Re: Will on Maher
« Reply #833 on: June 15, 2019, 10:53:03 AM »
George Will reminds you to not complain while they load you and your family onto the boxcars.


https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/06/14/george-will-on-the-gop-the-conservative-party-became-fixated-on-what-id-call-crybaby-conservativism/

Why he continues to be stubborn in thinking intellectual purity alone will uphold the Constitution when the reality is we have a party that is ripping it up and is on a long march for total control and socialism is beyond me.

If we did not have political strategy to keep the right in power as long as possible we will not have a right and we will be all subjects and not citizens.

he pooh pahs the media academia celebrity complex as just a distraction -  Republicans spend too much time crybabying about it.
As though it is not important against the grand ideals of the Founders.

Yes one can look at Trump as an abomination but he is the only one who fights for the country against the Left's onslaught. Will would rather have had Hillary Clinton:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2016/06/26/george-will-i-left-the-gop-because-im-a-conservative/

And he still would.  His logic ends with reality.

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Hawley gets it
« Reply #836 on: June 30, 2019, 09:20:18 AM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/birthday-of-the-day-kyle-plotkin-cos-for-sen-josh-hawley-r-mo-1390741

additionally the more I see how we are being controlled and progandatized by the BoonGoogle Screw us/book in our wallets a zon
the more I think Halley may be on to something
with regards to us vs " elites"

I am just not sure of the word "elites" tho, to describe their power .  It may be to general and not specific enough

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word cosmopolitan is now code for "get the Jews"
« Reply #837 on: July 20, 2019, 06:28:51 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/19/josh-hawley-liberal-language-police-lost-their-minds-over-cosmopolitan-scandal/

From Paul Krugman:

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 If you're Jewish and the use of "cosmopolitan" doesn't scare you, read some history https://twitter.com/BennettJonah/status/1151278921649987584

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Funny I don't recall him coming out and accusing the magazine Cosmopolitan  of being anti- semitic.

God is this guy a moron .  Unbelievable he wins a Nobel .





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WSJ: Does America still have a Common Creed?
« Reply #841 on: November 27, 2019, 11:05:43 PM »
Does America Still Have a Common Creed?
The U.S. has an unmatched capacity for absorbing newcomers. Yet historian David M. Kennedy worries that the country no longer agrees on a shared identity or purpose.
By Jason Willick
Nov. 27, 2019 7:53 pm ET

ILLUSTRATION: KEN FALLIN
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As the Seventh U.S. Army prepared to seize Axis-held Sicily in July 1943, Gen. George S. Patton sent the troops a message. “When we land,” Patton said, “we will meet German and Italian soldiers whom it is our honor and privilege to attack and destroy.”

Patton is famous for his martial exhortations, but Stanford historian David M. Kennedy paraphrases his Sicily address to highlight what it said about immigration. “Many of you have in your veins German and Italian blood, Patton said, “but remember that these ancestors of yours so loved freedom that they gave up home and country to cross the ocean in search of liberty,” whereas the Germans and Italians targeted in the Allied assault chose to remain “as slaves.”

The American soldiers Patton was talking to, Mr. Kennedy tells me, were “the sons of those immigrants who’d come 20, 30 years earlier.” A great wave of immigrants, mostly from Southern and Eastern Europe, had arrived in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and Germans had been coming since before that. These groups “were thought to be unassimilable,” Mr. Kennedy says. Yet Patton effectively told them, “I’m counting on your being so assimilated that you can kill your ancestors or your relatives.”

The general thus colorfully rejected ethnic nationalism and gestured at an American creed that could encompass anyone committed to defending American values. Today, the 78-year-old Mr. Kennedy, author of “Freedom From Fear: The American People in Depression and War,” a Pulitzer Prize winner in 2000, sees this creed faltering. He worries that “in this big, throbbing, pulsing, kinetic, diverse society,” a sense of American “common purpose and common belonging” is being lost. Incompatible views of identity and immigration are fracturing politics.

“Societies that have deep, chronic, intergenerational ethnic differences inside the same body politic don’t have particularly encouraging histories,” Mr. Kennedy notes. “The basic human instinct to prefer one’s own kind to another is impossible, I think, to eradicate entirely.” That means forging “a coherent society out of people who are different in their origins and aspirations is a project,” and a fragile one. America’s capacity for absorption has been exceptional.

One early observer of American pluralism was J. Hector St. John de Crèvecoeur, a Frenchman living in 18th-century New York. In his “Letters from an American Farmer,” he asks, “what, then, is the American, this new man?” British settlers formed the core of the colonies, but Crèvecoeur “acknowledges all of the different peoples that have come to America,” Mr. Kennedy says, like “the Germans, and the French, and the Huguenots, the Dutch.” Crèvecoeur said “they all were melding their identities into this new creature under the sun.”

In the 21st century the notion that Crèvecoeur was even looking at a diverse society, Mr. Kennedy says, seems “kind of quaint.” Besides enslaved African-Americans, “they’re all Europeans, they’re all white, what’s the diversity here?” Yet this mix of nationalities was unprecedented in the Old World.

Mr. Kennedy doubts the “psychological distance” between groups in America is greater now than then. Imagine if we could compare the perception of Germans in 1785 to that of Poles in 1905 to that of Asian and Hispanic immigrants today. “My instinct is that the sense of difference is pretty comparable over time,” Mr. Kennedy says.

Then why are the politics of immigration so fraught today? One answer is polarization. As American identity fractures deeply into red and blue versions, new arrivals are losing a common ideal of citizenship into which they can assimilate.

Immigrants are also regarded by the political parties not only as workers or neighbors but as a voting bloc. Democrats tout America’s declining white share of the population as a key to their long-term governing majority; Republicans fear the opposite. Restrictionism on the right is rooted not only in cultural difference but also a fear that more immigration risks a loss of political power.

Immigration politics didn’t always sort neatly along party lines. During the wave of immigration between 1890 and 1914, immigrant votes were “up for grabs,” Mr. Kennedy says. “The political identity of immigrants and immigrant-descended communities really didn’t solidify” until the New Deal, after a 1924 law and the Great Depression reduced immigration. Franklin Roosevelt appointed a far larger number of Catholic judges than had the Harding, Coolidge and Hoover administrations. This showed that Democrats were “out trying to recruit loyalty in these immigrant communities, which were largely Catholic and Jewish.”

Mr. Kennedy sees today’s Republican Party as having all but “conceded that they will not make any inroads in immigrant communities,” as “nativist elements” in the GOP “seem to have gained the upper hand.” Yet the left’s changing approach has also made the politics of immigration more divisive. “In the last generation or two,” Mr. Kennedy says, “diversity became not just an observed fact, but something to be valorized in its own right.”

The dominant American view until the late 20th century was that “we welcome all kinds of people but we expect them to assimilate into some range of standard values, behaviors, aspirations, ambitions.” Now, diversity itself has become the paramount value in parts of American culture. When celebrating difference replaces creedal values like liberty, fair play and respect for the Constitution, that undercuts “the project of assimilation,” Mr. Kennedy says.

Diverse societies need stories, even myths, to articulate what they have in common or what they are working toward collectively. Mr. Kennedy suggests that academic historians no longer contribute to this national understanding. When he was trained in the 1960s, most historians agreed on a “master narrative about American history.” It was based on the “perfection of the idea of democracy of this country.” That process was “incremental, slow, back and forth” but you could “still trace the arc.” And it gave Americans a way to talk about their national project.

Academic history is dominated today by “subsidiary questions” about “ethnic or racial or gender” groups, Mr. Kennedy says. These are “all interesting and legitimate stories in their own right,” but they have “squeezed energy out” of “the big, integrative, long-term project.” He worries that “the history of America is no longer the history of America—it’s about things that happened in America. But the fact that they happened in America is kind of incidental to the story.”

Mr. Kennedy is clearly alarmed by Donald Trump’s anti-immigration politics. But from “a purely analytical or historical point of view,” he says, it should not be surprising. “There seems to be a threshold percentage of immigrants in the population that triggers a pretty robust nativist reaction. And the threshold,” based on the reactions in the 1850s, 1920s and today, “seems to be somewhere in the 11%, 12%, 13% range.”

Some trends suggest the reaction could abate. Mr. Kennedy says absorption in the early 20th century was accelerated by the fact that the immigrant stream “was highly variegated in terms of ethnicity, religion, language, culture.” The fact that “quite literally, Polish Jews could not talk to Greek Orthodox could not talk to Sicilian Catholics,” he says, reduced the sense of challenge to U.S. English speakers. By contrast, Hispanic immigrants exceeded 50% of all new arrivals in the early 21st century, with those from Mexico making up the majority.

Yet the immigrant stream has diversified once again in the past decade. Asia now tops Latin America as the No. 1 source of new arrivals. “Asia’s a big place, as Europe was 100 years ago,” Mr. Kennedy says, and “Filipinos and Chinese and Laotians and so on don’t easily fit into one cultural category.” In that sense “we’re returning to a more familiar historical pattern where immigrants come from a variety of places.” That could reduce political frictions that come with immigration. So would “consistent and robust economic growth,” Mr. Kennedy says, which “lubricates all kinds of social issues.”

If the American creed is exceptional in its ability to fold immigrants into its fabric, so it also is in its resistance to socialism, Mr. Kennedy suggests. He points to the German sociologist Werner Sombart’s observation that America’s early embrace of “more or less full political rights,” at least for white men, prevented European-style socialism from taking root in the 19th century. Despite the label’s brief revival in the Democratic primary, “my own view is that it still has a lot of toxic residue in big parts of the body politic,” he says.

Mr. Kennedy recently returned from a teaching trip in China, where the rules of national membership couldn’t be more different than in the U.S. The idea that one could “show up as blond, blue-eyed Irish German Caucasian and say, ‘I want to become Chinese,’ ” Mr. Kennedy muses—“the proposition kind of defeats itself as soon as you articulate it.”

The Chinese are deeply worried about “their integrity as a society and their coherence,” Mr. Kennedy says. “They’ve been ruled by outsiders for centuries in the Manchu dynasty,” he observes. They’ve faced severe “internal divisions, and the country has been fragmented and come back together, and fragmented again.” Asia’s geography adds to Beijing’s anxiety about social cohesion, given that China has “land borders or the near equivalent with 14 other countries.”

By contrast, the American story has been one of almost linear ascension. Its two neighbors are relatively weak and friendly, and it has only fragmented politically once in its 243-year history.

The ultimate manifestation of China’s drive for homogeneity is its treatment of the Uighurs in Xinjiang province. Mr. Kennedy visited Kashgar, a city in Xinjiang, though he didn’t enter the internment camps where more than a million Muslim Uighurs are undergoing “re-education.” Still, Mr. Kennedy says, “I could not have imagined a security surveillance state of that density and weight.”

“Every 250 meters, there’s a fortified police station,” Mr. Kennedy says. “Every intersection, there’s a little riot squad of cops, waiting to go. There are surveillance cameras everywhere, just absolutely everywhere. You go into a little noodle shop, mom-and-pop noodle shop, half the size of this room—you go through a metal detector, and there’s an armed security officer standing right there.”

Throughout U.S. history, the sense of what it means to be an American has been shaped by the country’s external enemies. Americans repudiated, or saw themselves as repudiating, monarchism in the revolution, imperialism in World War I, fascism in World War II and communism in the Cold War. Mr. Kennedy notes that “an adversary that is challenging enough” can “mobilize, and discipline, and focus, and even deprive citizens of certain things in order to get the common purpose achieved.”

China’s disregard for individual rights, equality and pluralism draws attention to America’s remarkable national success at sustaining all three. Some policy makers and intellectuals in Washington hope a “new Cold War” could unite Americans and revitalize the American creed.

As for Mr. Kennedy, he says the jury is still out on China’s ambitions. And he doesn’t think the U.S. can count on its Cold War model for national unity. “You can’t go home again,” he says, citing the famous Thomas Wolfe novel. Maintaining stable and inclusive politics amid unprecedented diversity is “not just going to happen automatically—you have to think hard about it and work at it.” That means recognizing that the U.S. has never been an ethnic state or a hodgepodge of groups, but a “national community” that stands for a distinctive creed, still worth aspiring to.

Mr. Willick is an editorial page writer for the Journal.


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Buy this book! (Caldwell)
« Reply #845 on: January 23, 2020, 07:47:26 AM »
Saw Caldwell on Tucker the other night and was VERY impressed.  Just ordered the book.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/a-new-conservative-theory-of-why-america-is-so-polarized.html?utm_source=fb

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #846 on: June 29, 2020, 09:03:23 AM »
Josh Hawley and team working on vision for future
I hear.

The Hawley team  points out Trump can still turn it around -  they are supportive.
 I am not inclined to think so sinceDJT  is who he is and half the problem  IS style.

The other is he is not clearly articulating what he plans to do - yet.
Can he do it in way to bring in the swing voters - ?
Just saying socialism vs freedom is nice hash tag but many are still waiting to hear alternatives to socialism for education and health care etc.

Can Trump truly articulate this in meaningful ways beyond hashtags, name calling , etc?

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That said , any ideas for me to send up ?


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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #847 on: June 29, 2020, 01:16:29 PM »
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President Trump convened a roundtable last week in Dallas, which the media described as a talk on police and race relations. It was much more. Some Republicans are beginning to hope it was the basis of a compelling second-term agenda.

As national unrest continues, Democrats are intent on limiting this debate to law-enforcement brutality and “racism.” Mr. Trump’s Dallas event was an effort to broaden the discussion into one about “advancing the cause of justice and freedom.” Part of that, Mr. Trump said, was working together to “confront bigotry and prejudice.” As important, he added, is providing “opportunity” to every American.

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The president handed it over to Attorney General William Barr, who called education the “civil-rights issue of our time” and argued for school choice. Housing Secretary Ben Carson discussed efforts to use telemedicine to remedy health-care disparities. Scott Turner, executive director of the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council, touted the success of “opportunity zones,” created in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which have funneled tens of billions of dollars into distressed communities.

Mr. Trump campaigned in 2016 to work on behalf of “forgotten” Americans—whether they be in struggling blue-collar areas, inner-city minority communities, or rural towns. As fate would have it, both the coronavirus and George Floyd’s death have shined a spotlight on glaring disparities in the country. The white-collar elite work safely from home in shut-down cities, while hands-on workers and small-business owners become economic statistics. The focus on rare cases of police abuse has resurfaced the all-too-common reality of so many African-American communities—crime, high unemployment, poor health care, failing schools.

In those bleak headlines is an opening for Mr. Trump to embrace a second-term “opportunity” agenda, a promise that free-market policies won’t only revive the struggling economy but throw it open to those forgotten Americans. So far, Mr. Trump has seemed content to let the race with Joe Biden boil down to a debate over the past four years and whether the Democrat is too radical or too incompetent to be trusted. Those points will certainly energize the Republican base. But making inroads with independents, minority voters and suburban housewives will require something more concrete and aspirational. Why not an “American Dream” theme?

That’s the case many Republicans are making to the White House, even as they think about how to refine it. One benefit of such an agenda is that it doesn’t require the administration to try to package a theme around disparate or expensive proposals like infrastructure or tax credits. It gives the president something more to pitch than a return to lost prosperity. And it provides the Trump campaign with an opportunity to make inroads with minority voters—crucial in a close race.

The greatest merit of an opportunity agenda is that it rests on core conservative policies and principles. It’s about tailoring them—and ramping them up—to serve struggling communities. That’s the brilliance of opportunity zones, which South Carolina’s Sen. Tim Scott got included in the 2017 tax reform. He harnessed the power of smart tax relief and directed it at underserved, struggling communities. School choice is, likewise, about providing minority parents the opportunity to rescue their kids from crummy schools. Health-care choice is about giving poor Americans the opportunity to escape Medicaid. Deregulation is about providing more Americans the opportunity to engage in entrepreneurship.

Even better, the Trump administration already has the record, people and infrastructure to build on this theme. The common and absurd claim that Mr. Trump is “racist” has always been belied by the diversity of his administration and the programs it has pursued. Sentencing reform. An unprecedented focus on vocational education. Funding for historically black colleges. Tackling the opioid epidemic. Mr. Trump in 2018 set up the Opportunity and Revitalization Council, which Messrs. Turner and Carson oversee. In May the council put out a report brimming with case studies and best practices for spurring investment in economically distressed areas.

Promoters also note that an American Dream theme is optimistic and inclusive—a needed contrast to perpetual Democratic anger, partisan and racial animus, the fear and gloom of the virus. The administration aside, that kind of positive agenda could prove a lifeline for Senate Republicans who have been provided little that is forward-looking to campaign on, and who aren’t running against Mr. Biden.

But perhaps the best argument for this agenda is that Mr. Trump already believes in it. Advisers note that there’s a reason he talks so frequently about the historically low black and Hispanic unemployment rates; he’s genuinely proud of them. The 2016 slogan was “Make America Great Again.” It would be no lift for Mr. Trump to add a couple of words and sell what he has done, and what he could with four more years. “Make America Great Again—for All.”

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #848 on: June 29, 2020, 05:26:33 PM »
quote author=ccp
"Josh Hawley and team working on vision for future"    - Good.

"Trump can still turn it around"    - Absolutely!  All the facts are on his side IMHO.  It all needs to be presented with a GREAT plan going forward.

"[Trump] is not clearly articulating what he plans to do - yet."    - House, Senate Republicans too!

"Can he do it in way to bring in the swing voters - ?"   - Yes.  Turn out the base and win the center with one message, as simple and direct as possible. 

"Can Trump truly articulate this in meaningful ways beyond hashtags, name calling , etc?"   Yes he can and he must!

"socialism vs freedom is nice hash tag but "     - That is the choice, but must presented in a way that people choose freedom.  Why is that so hard?  Right now people keeping drifting toward socialism.  Reverse that right now, reverse it powerfully and persuasively, especially with young people, or lose it all.

"many are still waiting to hear alternatives to socialism for education and health care etc."   - Take the best of the proposals, and start getting on the same page.   We are getting beat by the straw man argument:  support the full speed move to socialism or suffer the Republican alternative is only rich people go to school or get health care - and the masses get nothing. 

Republicans have supported trillions and trillions in spending programs.  Democrats have opposed the reforms that would make these programs work.  More money is not the answer.  Too much federal money is what is screwing up college costs and healthcare.  Advance school choice and a college system that utilizes distance learning and fundamentally reduces costs or doesn't get federal support.  Introduce competitive systems and choices into health care.

"That said, any ideas for me to send up?"   - What an opportunity!  I'll take a shot at it.  Who else is in?  Speak now or watch this nation spiral the rest of the way down.

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Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed
« Reply #849 on: June 29, 2020, 05:56:50 PM »
Can the Republicans reach millennials?

Why can't the speakers explain that - yes it sounds nice to have someone else pay for your tuition
or the government forgive all the loans etc.

But in the long run you WILL be sorry when you are older trying to make a living and having a family and career and realize your freedoms are gone and you were conned.

Open up transparency in health care - make it truly price competitive

Conservative means for enviromental protection - posted here in past.
 not just more taxation (another tax? carbon tax)

Stop the identity politics crap

And promote we are AMEricans

Stand up to BLM extortion but at the same time promote minorities are far better off with freedom and less government and promoting black families not government replacing fathers etc

Clean up the streets in Failed Democrat states cities .

Improve availablitily of health care to the mentally ill

And stop spending us into oblivion

CAn this be a start
can this be done

Agree with Doug - it must be.

Wish I had more time and means to help .