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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1700 on: February 22, 2025, 06:28:12 AM »

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Rubio on Zelensky
« Reply #1701 on: February 22, 2025, 09:46:48 AM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1702 on: February 22, 2025, 10:18:58 AM »
Rubs sounds better then ever.   He so far is great as SoS.




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Mark Levin
« Reply #1703 on: February 23, 2025, 09:27:28 AM »
within few days after showing as a Drudgereport headline with Mark criticizing Trump's demeaning slandering Zelensky

https://www.mediaite.com/news/mark-levin-defies-trump-by-backing-zelensky-and-trashing-putin-bashes-sick-and-un-american-foreign-policy/

he sure changed his tune last night.   Trump strategy is "brilliant" at least 2 to 3 x's. 

wonder if he saw himself on LEFT wing media and thus walked back or if he got a call to DJT to  effectively apologize etc.?

I think he also called Trump a genius a few times.   


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Z: The $100B was a grant
« Reply #1704 on: February 23, 2025, 01:10:07 PM »

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Threats to cut Starlink countered?
« Reply #1706 on: February 24, 2025, 06:45:09 PM »
Threatening to cut Starlink?

And by so doing endangering Uke soldiers in the field?!?
 
Whoa  :-o :-o :-o

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ukraine-will-no-longer-need-starlink/ar-AA1zGrt9?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=dc3d8e9826f64d67bbc118ba8cab33b7&ei=70

Voting with Russia and allies at the UN against calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine an invasion?!?
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Ukraine, '3 cectirs' from the 'Strobe Talbot' center
« Reply #1707 on: February 25, 2025, 05:07:56 AM »
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russia/ukraine-war-strategy-negotiations-thomas-wright

Obama Biden adviser says talks were planned no matter who won the election... but his ideas are worth noting.

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compared to Democrat strategy above in Doug's post
« Reply #1708 on: February 25, 2025, 06:22:37 AM »
we have this:

well Trump is in a hurry to keep his campaign pledge he will stop the war in a day .

so instead of pressuring Russia he pressures Ukraine and as we expected gives Putin Donbass.

pressures Ukraine into giving away 50% of their lithium and other minerals forever and then says Zelensky "refused to sign it" but not telling us he only had 3 hrs to decide.

demonize Z with every negative point that can be made and praise Putin. 


Not sure about any Ukraine Nato membership. 

We all would like the war to end but should let those who died NOT die in vain.

I am open to other POV but I still feel this is warped.





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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1709 on: February 25, 2025, 06:40:02 AM »
I too found the article thoughtful and nuanced e.g. the Swedish approach to being in NATO.
 
I was expecting quite a bit more stick to go along with the carrots.  Voting against the UN resolution condemning the invasion?  WTF? The other points that CCP made too.

At the moment he is playing into every stereotype about being weak with Putin.  I sure hope he has something up his wily sleeve.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1710 on: February 25, 2025, 07:13:11 AM »
Trump says Ukraine started the war?

Fellow Queens native John McEnroe used to famously say, "YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!"

Crafty:  "I sure hope he has something up his wily sleeve."

Obviously yes, IMHO.

I don't understand it or agree with it but saying ridiculous things publicly is a long tradition of American administrations, note the ambiguity on One China with Taiwan. Good grief, one is a sovereign democracy, the other is the worst oppressor of humans in history, and we are neutral??

The US is not a neutral arbiter of the Russia Ukraine conflict, we have very clearly been on Ukraine's side all along.

Saying that Zelensky is a dictator because he delayed an election, saying that Ukraine started the war against our lying eyes, voting against a Un resolution that would achieve nothing, these are all things that strangely cost Trump nothing.

Trump is playing some kind of word game with Putin. I don't know what it is or how it works but I do know what Trump wants, an end to the war. (And to take credit.)

Zelensky has been standing up to Trump, acting like an adversary not an ally, and now he gets to face what many of Trump's other opponents faced. It's ugly, I don't like it, but as Marco Rubio (who previously faced it) says, Trump is the only person on Earth who has a chance to end this right now.

All I know is the surreal public utterances are the distraction, not the game.

Russia should give up all the land it has taken since 2014, but no one has a plan or the will or the means to make that happen.

I've made the NHL referee analogy before. They wait until the fighters are exhausted, then they step in and take charge as if they were in control all along.

Everybody except perhaps Zelensky knows that it's time to end this war right now.
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GPF: Maybe he is being wily after all
« Reply #1711 on: February 25, 2025, 07:51:13 AM »


Daily Memo: Putin Open to Working With US on Critical Minerals
Washington has been negotiating a minerals deal with Kyiv.
By: Geopolitical Futures

Putin's proposal. Moscow is open to working with Washington on projects involving rare earth metals, Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a press conference following a meeting on rare earths. He added that he would consider launching a joint project with U.S. companies to mine aluminum in Krasnoyarsk region and that cooperation could extend to parts of Russian-occupied Ukraine. He also said Russia could export 2 million tons of aluminum to the U.S. if sanctions were lifted. The comments come after U.S. President Donald Trump suggested Washington would demand access to Ukrainian mineral deposits in exchange for military aid.

Ukrainian resources. Relatedly, on Monday, Ukraine’s deputy prime minister for European and Euro-Atlantic integration said Ukraine and the United States were “in the final stages of negotiations” on a minerals agreement. Meanwhile, EU Commissioner for Industrial Strategy Stephane Sejourne said the bloc also proposed a deal on critical minerals to Ukrainian officials during a recent visit to Kyiv, describing it as a “win-win partnership.”

Ripple effect. EU sanctions approved on Monday against Russian aluminum imports could exacerbate logistical problems for Russian exports to Asia, Russia’s Interfax reported. Metals producers have reportedly already expressed concern about the limited capacity of railway infrastructure connecting Russia to Asian markets. As they turn increasingly to the East and away from Europe, they will have to rely more on insufficient transport networks, which could lead to supply chain problems.

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rare earth "deal"
« Reply #1712 on: February 26, 2025, 06:37:39 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02/26/ukraine-agrees-trumps-rare-earth-minerals-deal-zelensky-to-sign-friday/


very interesting. 

slightly re negotiated - but not clear to what end result.

Ukraine has one of the top lithium stores in the world.

 8-)

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1715 on: February 27, 2025, 04:46:17 PM »
"Don't take him literally, but do take him seriousy"!

Do you remember how he sucked up to Putin in Finland?  Yet he was the one who did a long list of hard ass things against Russia.

The man is a walking OODA loop disruption!

I'm willing to see what he hs up his sleeve.   This idea about the mineral rights deal being a security guarantee without it being one intrigues me.



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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1716 on: February 27, 2025, 06:31:00 PM »
"This idea about the mineral rights deal being a security guarantee without it being one intrigues me."

I don't follow you here.




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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1717 on: February 28, 2025, 05:00:28 AM »
"This idea about the mineral rights deal being a security guarantee without it being one intrigues me."

I don't follow you here.

If I understand correctly,

From Russia's point of view, Ukraine can't join NATO or have alliances (security agreements) with the west, the US in particular.

But if the US has  mineral rights in the ground, we would be defending our interest, not Ukraine's.

It could be that this isn't to trick Putin but to allow him save face on a point he has to concede to end the war.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1718 on: February 28, 2025, 06:09:02 AM »
Yes.

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Schlichter on Ukraine
« Reply #1719 on: February 28, 2025, 01:05:57 PM »
Real politic rather than idealism from Kurt:

10 Hard Facts About Ukraine and NATO

Kurt Schlichter

Feb 27, 2025
     
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Townhall.com.

President Donald Trump is trying to force not only Ukraine and Russia to make peace but also the Europeans to carry their own weight in the defense of their own continent. It’s astonishing how angry the establishment is about this. It’s almost as if they want this meat grinder to continue forever and for America to subsidize the Europeans’ bizarre social pathologies forever. But what can’t go on forever won’t go on forever. Change is coming. We have to start accepting some realities. Childish clichés and moral posturing have no place in foreign policy. When somebody starts answering your arguments by calling you literally Hitler and saying that you suck Putin’s toes, you can be absolutely sure they don’t want to contend with substantive arguments. But they’re going to have to. Trump is serious about ending this war and resetting our relationship with NATO. They aren’t going wait him out or shame him into submission.

And let me make something clear at the beginning. I like the Ukrainians. I trained them and they were with us when I deployed. I would like them to be able to win their war. I would also like to have a pony. Wishing doesn’t make things so. It’s time to get hard-nosed and real about what’s going on so we can stop this nightmare before it spins completely out of control. And when two nuclear-armed powers are facing each other, spinning out of control can be really bad.

1. Russia is absolutely in the wrong for invading Ukraine. Nothing Ukraine did excuses or justifies Russia’s actions. But we still need to understand why they did it. They had reasons, even if you and I don’t agree with their reasons. It’s not simply because Vladimir Putin is Mr. Burns, tenting his fingers and planning evil deeds for the sake of doing evil. There is much more going on in this conflict than in the portrait painted by the media and establishment. It involves history, ethnicity, and other factors we Westerners do not and cannot understand. Some of those facts include that Ukraine used to be part of Russia, and Russia believes it should be in the future. Also, there are huge numbers of ethnic Russians, who Ukrainians do not like – Ukrainians get mad at you if you speak Russian to them – in those areas that Putin has captured. Further, Russia is paranoid, and not without reason, about an invasion from the West. Look at Napoleon, look at Hitler. We may not think that it should be upset about Ukraine joining NATO, but Russia thinks it should be. Again, this isn’t to justify what Russia did. We need to understand why it did it even if we don’t agree with its motivations.


2. Ukraine is not going to be able to win the war if the definition of winning the war is recovering all the conquered Ukrainian territory. A continued stalemate will result in many thousands of additional deaths. The idea that somehow, Ukraine, which has been nearly bled dry, is going to come up with the combat power to throw the Russians off its soil is just insane. That’s never going to happen. I would like it to happen, but it won’t. So, we’ve got to deal with the reality we’re facing.

3. Zelensky will have to accept the reality that America will need to be paid back for its aid, which means, as a practical matter, access to Ukraine’s mineral reserves. The establishment has been scandalized that Trump expects to be paid back, but why should America pick up the tab? It’s not our war. Zelensky, who stupidly has gotten himself crosswise with the new American government, stated that he would not require ten generations of Ukrainians to pay America back. So, does he propose that ten generations of Americans pay back the money America has to borrow to give to Zelensky? That’s just not going to fly with normal Americans.

4. Ukraine is an unbelievably corrupt country, and the idea that no substantial portion of our aid money has been stolen is ridiculous. There are going to be a lot of people getting very rich off the American aid, including many Americans. The fact that much of the establishment is so resistant to attempting to audit those funds indicates that they understand this, too.

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5. The American people are, by and large, tired of subsidizing Ukraine’s end of this war. They are absolutely against American forces being involved. There is a lit fuse on America’s patience, and trying to stamp it out by shouting that anyone questioning perpetual subsidies of this war is Putin’s pal is not going to cut it. The fact is that Trump is probably Ukraine’s last chance to retain American support. The guy who follows Trump is going to be worse for Ukraine.

6. China is a substantially greater threat to the United States than Russia in the macro. The fact is that right now, we can’t confront both powers. We need to focus on China. That’s the major threat to the United States.

7. The Europeans should be taking the lead in supporting Ukraine and should be taking the lead in defending Europe. They are freaking out about this. It’s hilarious that their answer to Donald Trump telling them they need to step up and take charge of their own defense is to step up and take charge of their own defense to show Donald Trump what for. Typically, a threat involves promising to do something the person you’re threatening does not want you to do instead of exactly what he wants you to do.

8. The campaign to insult critics of past Ukraine policy by calling them Putin’s puppets and so forth is a lie and is going to result in enmity towards the idea of helping the Ukrainians. You cannot insult Americans into obedience. You cannot fail to address their legitimate concerns and expect them to agree with you.

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9. Some of our NATO allies are participating in internal repression, including suppression of free speech and the right to organize and participate in elections via non-establishment parties. This dangerously undercuts the moral argument in favor of NATO. Americans have no desire to spend blood and treasure defending countries that arrest people for speaking. And the Europeans refuse to accept the judgment of their people. Just this week, the allegedly conservative German party that came in first in the election after promising to close German borders announced the very next day that it would not be closing borders. That’s bad. Why again should we spend money on these people? I mean, it’s only been 80 years.

10. It is in America’s interest that this war ends. We want to draw Russia away from China and closer to the West. It is not in our interest to have a war going on where our proxy is fighting with a nuclear-armed enemy, regardless of how moral the cause of Ukraine is. The only way this is going to happen is if the United States takes the lead and forces Ukraine to make painful concessions in order to end this dangerous bloodbath. In the harsh calculus of international politics, it’s critical that we bring the Russians into our orbit and get them away from the Chinese.  Putin has an interest in that – the sparsely populated Siberian wilderness is right there north of China, full of all sorts of resources that China will eventually grab. Putin can’t stop it. He needs allies. Yes, Putin’s a bad guy, but this isn’t about good guys and bad guys. This is about protecting America’s interests. And it’s in America’s interest to stop this war and strip China of a major ally.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/02/27/10-hard-facts-about-ukraine-and-nato-n2652796

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Michael Brewer
« Reply #1720 on: February 28, 2025, 01:38:01 PM »
From my friend Michael Brewer:

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Cutting through the partisan crap for a minute, let me explain what just happened at the White House with Zelensky.  It's not about MAGA or Not-MAGA or Anti-MAGA, and it's not about supporting Putin or Zelensky.  Before I get into this, a word about my own history.

I can't stand Putin.  He's evil on the level of the world's great dictators.  I was raised during the Reagan years, and all my movie and TV heroes made America smile by killing commies and taking down KGB Dictators just like Putin, so it warms my heart from the inside to see him hurting and unable to achieve his goals.  What that should tell you is that I am not in any way "pro-Russia."  It should also suffice to explain that this is not about Russia or Ukraine.  It's about us.

The United States is the single, sole, and only reason Ukraine exists today.  Without our full-throated support, Ukraine is a Russian speedbump, and its name has to be scrubbed off maps and out of geography books all over the world.  Europe certainly wouldn't have gone to bat for them without US support, and without that assistance, Ukraine would not have been strong or prepared.  They'd have watched their military be eradicated and they'd have been subjugated entirely by Russia.  For Zelensky to show anything except cheerful gratitude to the United States and to the President while in the White House is insanity.  For him to be anything but contrite with the president is the most foolish kind of diplomacy in history.  And doing it on camera risked undermining any position of strength America had to end the war at all.  But even that is less important than the bigger lesson.

Americans cannot keep bearing the full weight and cost of the world's security in perpetuity.  American taxpayers cannot be expected to foot the cost of everyone else's wars while the recipients of their generosity bitch and moan about America.  It isn't right, and it absolutely has to stop.  That's not purely a statement about Ukraine - it's about everyone in the world who depends upon the US for its safety and security, but then sees fit to shit all over us as a nation while cheerfully taking our hard-earned tax dollars.  It's a much bigger problem than just Russia vs. Ukraine, but it's coming to a head with Ukraine because not only is it the biggest and hottest war happening at the moment, it's one in which upwards of a million casualties have resulted with more being added to the pile each day.  The cessation of killing needs to be at the forefront - not the enrichment of countries.  Right now, Ukraine isn't being an honest broker on that front either.  Like I said, it's got to stop.  Right now, the bill for each and every adult taxpayer in the United States is about $2,500 this year alone.  For you, for me, for all of us.  Right now, that's how much of your work pays for just what we're sending to Ukraine.  They want that number to go up without any concern whatsoever for what it means to America.  Guys, that's just not right.  Especially if you're gonna come to the table with anything other than gratitude in your heart.

It has to stop, and that's all there is to it.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1721 on: February 28, 2025, 02:13:44 PM »
who says they are not in gratitude

the Ukes know if we pull support there people our money will have all died or been spent in vain.

That is not "ingratitude"


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1722 on: February 28, 2025, 02:25:04 PM »
I posted above prior to seeing all this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3WD9CUNgEE&t=3122s

Was working all day and did not notice this
see I come to firehydrant before I even click to the news!    :lol:

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1723 on: February 28, 2025, 05:46:09 PM »
Apparently the Uke parliament is meeting to consider impeachment.



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An astute post from FB
« Reply #1726 on: March 01, 2025, 08:55:37 AM »
From FB, one Michael McCune:

Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.

However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.

Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.

When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.

Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.

Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.

So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.

Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.

Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.

They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.

Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.

Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.

Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

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Re: An astute post from FB
« Reply #1728 on: March 01, 2025, 02:11:04 PM »
"... what you witnessed tonight was a setup.
...
 Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him."


 - I believe he has this right and the explanation helped me to understand what I saw. I heard all the excerpts before I watched the entire thing in order. It was definitely a setup, actually a double setup.

JD Vance would never have spoken up in the way he did at the time he did unless it was pre-arranged and pre-approved with the President.

It wasn't very clear to the casual viewer what Zelenskyy did wrong to trigger it.

The security assurances he wants seem reasonable to ask for, but they weren't part of the deal.

Trump seemed out of line making a big deal out of the incompetence of his predecessor. It looked like he forgot he wasn't on the campaign trail. But in fact he was making a point to zelensky. We are under new management.

What we saw is right out of the book, art of the deal. Willingness to walk and who needs whom more. Trump laid that reality on thick and heavy.

The viewer left the room thinking that zelensky is on his own. He can fight without the US to prove some point to Trump, or he can hit up his European backers for all of what he needs.

But that's exactly what we wanted in the first place.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1729 on: March 01, 2025, 02:24:24 PM »

“ZELENSKY’S PREDICAMENT

First, it’s not a boxing match, let’s cut all the emotion and fan-cheering for one or the other. Let’s get to some facts.
Everyone in the world understands the moral right of Ukraine to want to keep their borders sovereign and keep fighting for their invaded country.  Likewise, everyone understands Putin’s desire to re-establish a Soviet-style power empire with expanded borders to include the resource-rich Ukraine. Hence, his invasion of the aforementioned in 2022.

And no, it wasn’t because of Ukraine’s decades-long dream to join NATO; that’s what Putin tells his citizens on his TV stations (which he owns solely) every minute of the day.  Pure brainwash!

Zelensky, for his part, has led a pretty decent effort in fighting Putin. Ukrainians are committed and fierce fighters. 

The result?

Zelensky lost this war back in 1991, when the government of UKR desired to have a sovereign state (to break away from the USSR when it was a republic) so much so that they agreed to the most detrimental terms for its future existence.  UKR gave up all of its nuclear arms to have a peaceful transition to a sovereign state In exchange for : 1) Soviet acceptance of its new nation and 2) protection from the UK and USA in case Russia invades. (The Budapest Agreement)

At that point, Ukraine lost every conflict, war and political argument it was ever going to have, no matter who is the head of the country.  Zelensky or no Zelensky.

Did Putin respect UKR’s sovereignty? Of course not.  He pined to have the bread basket back into his fold for decades. Has the UK and US protected UKR, as outlined in the Budapest agreement? Of course not.

Biden comes along and makes it easy as pie for Putin to do what he has always wanted. Putin took immediate opportunity to advance his land-grab cause.  Did it cost him? Plenty! But to Russians war is nothing new and the Russian population, brainwashed as it always is and will be, fell in-line with the “Ukrainians are Nazis” mantra and “justification”.

Will they keep on warring until the last drop of blood and the last worthless ruble for mother Russia? Does the sun rise every day…?

So we have 3 years of bloodshed after approximately 20% of UKR’s landmass lost to Putin. Every day he gains more and every week about 1000 soldiers die (collectively on both sides).  Not to mention the financial aspect.

To what end …? What is the end goal for Ukraine and the western world?

Ukraine cannot and will not regain what it lost to Putin. Who is going to come to Ukraine’s side to get back  what has been lost already?

…Britain? France? Any of the other NATO countries? The US?

The rhetorical question has a very simple answer: there is not one country on the face of the Earth that will risk World War III with a madman for a piece of Ukrainian real estate. Period.  End of story.  And this is precisely why not one leader of any country, nor one person in the world,  has another solution for Ukraine other than the Trump deal.

What is the purpose of continuing to lose land mass to Putin when there is no feasible and safe way of getting it back?

And on whose dime …? Trump made it clear …the $$ cushion Biden provided ends now; $300B pissed away with nothing to show for cannot continue. 

The fact that Zelensky cannot account for 1/2 of money the US taxpayers sent him is no shock. Eastern Europe is not the holy grail of democracy, decency and accountability.  It’s a generationally accepted Soviet-era hierarchy structure; the people at the top get rich.  It is accepted and expected.

There is nothing surprising here and it is NOT a Zelensky issue. It’s a Europe issue. It is the way Europe operated for centuries.  Expecting accountability for the dollars you gifted Ukraine is as brilliant as expecting a cat to bark and a dog to miaow. 

Not only did Ukraine lose the war in 1991, Biden brought on the Putin invasion in 2022.  So did the feckless Europe. It was a perfect storm, and Putin took full advantage.

At this point… Zelensky has no cards, just as Trump tried to explain to him yesterday. 

What about yesterday?

What you watched on your screens is 20% of what transpired in that oval office. You didn’t see the 80% that preceeded it. You also didn’t see the weeks and weeks of back door negotiating with Zelensky which brought on plenty of frustration and name calling/insults.  Not to mention something Trump will never forget…
Zelensky’s active lobbying to get Biden reelected to keep the $$ flowing - justified but miscalculated action.

Secondly, Trump’s team was hosting Zelensky to sign a deal. That was the understanding. The showdown ensued not because of anything Zelensky said, but because he used the televised opportunity to buck and to do so publicly and in the oval office.  Miscalculated chutzpah of a depleted frustrated leader.

Without any emotion or picking sides, here is the lay of the land:

… Zelensky has no ability to win this war nor regain the land he lost on his own.

… Zelensky has no ability to continue anything without the American taxpayer.

… Zelensky has no other option, nor idea, nor plan, from any other leader in the world, other than Trump to stop the bloodshed and the land loss.

… Zelensky knows that one of Putin’s conditions to stop the war is regime change for Ukraine. He knows that he has to go.

… for Zelensky, yesterday was not about signing any deals to end the war. It was his last attempt to keep himself at the helm of the country.

… if he signed a deal without security guarantees, he becomes a failure in the eyes of his people; essentially handing Putin his wish on a platter.

…. What is a security guarantee Zelensky wanted? It’s a guarantee to keep him President (which alienates Putin from the deal) and to spend billions more on UKR….

Essentially get the US to sign a 2nd failed Budapest agreement.  Trump won’t have that.

The future?

There is only one future for Ukraine. Agree to Trump’s minerals deal because you have no other options. That deal offers Ukraine an implicit protection plan and the rebuilding of the country.  There are no other protection plans for Ukraine.  Europe will not fall out of favor with Trump.  It cannot. It’s not about to set itself on a suicide path.  To boot, as part of the deal with Putin, Zelensky will go.

In this conflict, Ukraine loses every time. There was never any other reality.  By giving up its nuclear arsenal and having the horrible luck of the incapacitated incoherent Biden come to power in 2020 … Ukraine’s fate was sealed.  And it has nothing to do with Zelensky or anyone else.

Is all this morally disappointing? Of course it is.  But fighting a lost cause for the sake of morality without any possible resolution, nor ideas, by endlessly sacrificing lives…is insanity.  And a very expensive insanity, at that. 
American subsidy ended on January 20, 2025.  There is no other subsidy.  The only plan that will offer Ukraine any type of long-lasting protection is the one Trump has on the table.

Aggravating Trump further is not a good idea. But it will advance the regime change in Ukraine sooner rather than later.

The question before us today is not one of Ukraine‘s righteous fight or the moral duty to stand by the wronged.  Or whether we like Zelensky or not.   After the evaporation of billions and disappearance of territory, it boils down to practicality, pragmatism and saving mothers from losing their 18 year old children to an unwinnable cause.

On February 24, 2022… I said exactly the same, but in much less words.”—Valerie Sobel

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« Reply #1730 on: March 01, 2025, 06:34:51 PM »

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Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.

Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1732 on: March 02, 2025, 05:24:52 AM »
Watch the top line of 72 models from Martin Armstrong's Socrates arrays on Ukraine. Its flat lined...i.e. Ukr is finished. He says this has never happened before.






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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1737 on: March 02, 2025, 04:31:34 PM »
That was pretty good.


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Z called Vance a bitch in Ukrainian?
« Reply #1739 on: March 03, 2025, 05:08:26 AM »
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Yesterday at 7:51 AM  ·

I thought my post yesterday would put the Zelenskyy debacle to rest but overnight I was included in a Zoom call with some European friends from France, Germany, and the UK.  I also went back and watched the whole video of the White House encounter.  To say I am horrified at what I missed is an understatement.  I got some of this Info from Tucker Carlson and many other podcasts.  I just couldn’t believe that little dictator called Vice President Vance a “Bitch.”  Hopefully, this post puts the debacle together for those who did not see it.

Did you realize in the exchange with Vice President Vance, Zelenskyy mumbled “Bitch” in his language.  This is why the Ambassador to Ukraine, Oksana Markarova, had her hands on her head.  She knew what he said.  Not only that, but Zelenskyy outright threatened the United States on live TV.  What made President Trump angry was when Zelenskyy said the oceans separating us would no longer protect us and we would “feel” the war and terror.  This is when President Trump started telling him not to say how we are going to feel.  He knew it was a threat and our President went after him.

I am going to try to keep this brief.  I knew it was serious when the biggest war hawk in Congress, Lindsey Graham, stood in front of the cameras and went after Zelenskyy, disavowing him.  These two men are friends.  Graham has been responsible for getting Zelenskyy billions of dollars from the US.  He knew the threat had been made.  This wasn’t just a shouting match and he wanted to distance himself before something happened.

What disturbs me is what Zelenskyy has been doing with the money and weapons received from the US.  Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its Western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at twenty cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels and the forces now controlling Syria. God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American biolabs in their country. Even US intel agencies aren't sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered several people in various countries in political assassinations and tried to murder others, including American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true, and it's all going to come out at some point.

I have never supported Ukraine and it hurts to see so many Americans flying the Ukranian flag on their FB pages.  How propaganda has worked on our citizens!  Zelenskyy is a part of the party that overtook Europe in 1939 that starts with an “N.”  It has been covered up because Obama and Biden were a part of this.  Trump was impeached just for questioning them about Ukraine.

I am glad we all got to watch as it unfolded because it was more than a shouting match.  We, our Country, the United States, were threatened in the Oval Office yesterday on live television, by a pathetic, diabolical dictator.

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Logan Act
« Reply #1740 on: March 03, 2025, 05:19:54 AM »
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Christina Aguayo News
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Zelenskyy met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to turn down the mineral deal with President Donald Trump shortly before the Oval Office showdown.
According to Democrat Senator Chris Murphy  (D-Conn.) President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with a group of anti-Trump Democrats who told him to reject the terms of the Mineral deal with President Donald Trump. 
The meeting with the Democrats took place Friday, shortly before Zelenskyy, Vice President JD Vance and President Trump got into a heated clash in front of the Press Pool in the Oval Office
Murphy posting to X,
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,”
The post was made at  11:15 a.m. Friday.
Attached to the post was  a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.
Less than an hour later, Zelenskyy showed up at the White House to meet President Trump
The reason for the meeting was to sign the mineral deal, that Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Zelenskyy had already agreed to.
We now know, that after meeting with Murphy, Zelenskyy had no intention of signing it.
The Democrats successfully stopped the mineral agreement and ceasefire that would have been signed, meaning thousands of people will continue to die every week in Ukraine.


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https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/logan-act-and-its-limits


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Ukraine War, Who is funding Russia?
« Reply #1741 on: March 03, 2025, 06:22:31 AM »
"European Union has sent more money to Russia in payment for petroleum products than they have provided aid to Ukraine"

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/03/03/most-people-dont-know-that-the-europeans-are-helping-fund-the-russian-side-of-the-war-n3800352

I like that he puts "allies" in quotes.

Our "crippling sanctions" amount to boatloads of cash going to Russia. Is THAT how you stop the fighting?
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Asia Times Chimes In
« Reply #1742 on: March 03, 2025, 01:46:48 PM »
Asia Times on the downfall of the neocon Ukraine strategy:

https://asiatimes.com/2025/02/the-neocons-lost-ukraine-and-want-to-blame-it-on-trump/#

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Ukraine, Megyn Kelly breaks it down
« Reply #1743 on: March 04, 2025, 06:06:44 AM »
I know this has already been beaten to death, but Megyn Kelly breaks this down as well as anyone I have seen.
https://youtu.be/jutkJvrrYp8?si=S8WBAHTSpNzSeGEJ

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Ukraine, Zelenskyy is now ready?
« Reply #1744 on: March 04, 2025, 08:22:37 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/04/russia-ukraine-war-zelensky-trump-pauses-aid-latest-news/

Reminds me of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown. Fourth time is the charm?

Are there really minerals there and what is the agreement?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-ukraines-mineral-resources/


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GPF: US reaching out to potential challengers to Z's reelection
« Reply #1745 on: March 06, 2025, 08:04:35 AM »


The U.S. is reportedly reaching out to potential challengers to Zelenskyy's reelection.
By: Geopolitical Futures

Alternative path. Four of U.S. President Donald Trump’s associates have held secret talks with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and members of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s European Solidarity party, Politico reported. The discussions focused on the possibility of holding presidential elections after a temporary ceasefire is reached and before comprehensive peace talks. Meanwhile, The New York Times reported, citing sources in the Trump administration, that U.S. military support for Ukraine could resume if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signs an agreement on mineral resources. In addition, the head of Zelenskyy’s office, Andriy Yermak, and U.S. national security adviser Mike Waltz reportedly spoke by phone about a date and place for future negotiations.


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Re: George Friedman: Why Putin has lost the war in Ukraine
« Reply #1748 on: March 07, 2025, 07:00:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksfn_7H92tc&t=3s

I find this analysis very helpful. I have to set aside my belief that Putin is evil in order to figure out what he does, why he does it, and what he will do next.

One point made, the likelihood of Putin launching a new attack on Kiev, post war, would be like the US launching a new attack on Hanoi after coming home from Vietnam. Not going to happen anytime soon. And not with American companies working in the mineral fields.

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« Reply #1749 on: March 07, 2025, 11:27:47 AM »
Agree.

Also, though this very interesting piece is about AI (and I will be posting it in the AI thread too) note the reference to the significance of American access to Uke REM (Rare Earth Minerals) in Ukraine.

It reads to me like Trump is being rather wily by killing two birds with one stone.

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The Coming Battle for AI
The scramble for chips is just the beginning.
By: Ronan Wordsworth

In January, China took the tech world by surprise when it unveiled DeepSeek, an artificial intelligence company that has proved to be as competitive as any other but at a much lower cost. The event was a wake-up call to policy officials of all stripes in Washington, who understand that AI will soon affect, to some degree or another, all aspects of political life.

Dominance in this field requires massive computing power, a big enough energy supply to power the vast data centers behind AI, and, finally, the human resources needed to develop new and innovative iterations. It’s little wonder, then, that governments are racing to finance the very infrastructure on which AI relies. Within days of the beginning of U.S. President Donald Trump’s second term, his administration announced the creation of an enterprise known as Stargate, which plans to invest $500 billion in private sector AI infrastructure. In February, ahead of a multinational AI summit in Paris, France announced investments totaling around $112 billion in AI infrastructure and development. This included $20 billion from Canadian investment firms for new AI projects, up to $50 billion from the United Arab Emirates for new data centres, and large investments in Mistral, a European competitor to OpenAI and DeepSeek. China already has a surplus of data centers, having constructed hundreds in the western provinces, while large tech firms such as ByteDance are investing billions in additional facilities.

Government efforts to take the lead in this nascent geostrategic environment go beyond investment alone. The Biden administration, for example, imposed strict chip export controls in 2022 to prevent China from obtaining the advanced chips presumably needed to run the top AI models. Days before departing the White House, President Joe Biden added more regulations to control exports of the most powerful chips, following further restrictions on chipmaking equipment going to China. This would limit Beijing’s ability to manufacture its own advanced chips and semiconductors domestically, or so the thinking went.

Beijing responded by imposing its own restrictions in a field in which it holds a distinct advantage: critical minerals. China is responsible for almost 70 percent of the mining of rare earth elements. And with its large domestic reserves and long-established mining concessions in Africa, it is responsible for more than 90 percent of all rare earth processing. For some minerals, China has a near monopoly. The U.S. produces just 12 percent of global supply and relies on Chinese machinery for extraction. And so, after Washington introduced the chip bans, Beijing placed restrictions on rare earth extraction and separation technologies. Later, in 2024, it banned the export of some rare earths required for the manufacture of semiconductors.

Washington understands its vulnerabilities in the rare earth supply chain. It’s one of the reasons Trump has tied negotiations over the Russia-Ukraine war to mineral rights in Ukraine, and why Biden tried to shore up domestic extraction. It’s also why Washington is leveraging security guarantees for Taiwan – the world’s foremost semiconductor superpower – into investment for new manufacturing centers in the U.S.

Put simply, AI has the power to transform geopolitics. Traditionally, geopolitical power is derived from the domination of physical space – air, land and sea, with space emerging as a fourth domain during the Cold War. (The cyber realm came not long after the war’s end.) And, traditionally, geopolitical power is wielded by economic, political and martial means. AI is unique because not only will it spur an evolution in its own domain (cyber), but it will also affect the others (economics, politics and war). All of them will experience upheavals over the next decade as a direct result of the emergence of faster, better and more capable AI models. These models also have the potential to disrupt the global system, widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots, and endow certain countries with insurmountable leads in the cyber realm.

From an economic perspective, the benefits of advanced AI are many. It can be used to optimize supply chains, better predict macroeconomic trends, detect fraud in banking and financial services, improve financial transactions and increase workplace productivity. It can assist in the optimization of energy resources, agricultural production, resource extraction, disaster relief and management. Crucially, it can also revolutionize labor in certain industries. Take truck drivers as an example. In the U.S alone, some 3.6 million people would potentially be out of work if AI-powered self-driving becomes a reality. Similar transformations are likely to occur in countless other industries, making competitiveness a matter of efficiency in AI models rather than a matter of human productivity. There is a real risk this shift in the labor market will create political instability.

Meanwhile, some of the political uses of AI are already here. Russian disinformation campaigns in Africa, for example, once required thousands of employees to produce content to flood social media and thus alter the news environment in target regions. AI-generated and AI-altered images and videos amplify the effects further, and with the ability to generate targeted content in hundreds of languages or to specific subsets of individuals, the prospect of disrupting political movements is already apparent. Higher powered AI will be even more adept at creating deepfakes, synthetic media and automated propaganda, making disinformation campaigns more effective and harder to detect. This is likely to intensify as a mainstay of hybrid warfare – undermining adversaries' internal stability through targeted campaigns. The tools currently available to counter this threat are vastly insufficient.

The risk of public unrest aside, governments will be able to use AI to expand mass surveillance, social control and digital repression. Through its ability to process vast amounts of data, AI will make it easier for governments to crack down on subversion and dissent. Even for democratic regimes, the temptation to, say, monitor and combat crime may be too strong to ignore.

But perhaps the most important – and most foreboding – use of AI will be its military applications. In the same way that previous generations of transformative technologies changed the battlefield, the next generation will aid and abet combat operations. The number of ways AI will do so is nearly uncountable, but some examples are instructive: coordinated drone swarms, automated battlefield strategies and communication disruption; surveillance and reconnaissance; early warning and evasion systems; strategic decision-making; increasingly sophisticated cyberattacks capable of disrupting financial markets, critical infrastructure and military operations; and stealth detection.

It’s little wonder, then, that governments are scrambling not only for the requisite materials needed to power AI but also for the human talent to develop and operate it. In China, tech companies that had been left out in the cold by the government’s regulatory crackdown are now becoming major players. It’s unclear how much money DeepSeek, for example, received from the government, but Beijing has been and will continue to be involved in strategic industries such as these. Beijing’s public show of support serves two purposes. It reassures tech companies that their investments have not been made in vain, and it sends a message to the rest of the world that China is not only serious about the AI race but also uniquely able to lead it.

Washington has certainly taken notice. Some analysts have called the DeepSeek announcement this generation's Sputnik moment, which triggered the space race with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Whatever lead the U.S. may have had in the current race is gone. Expect Washington to double down on export controls covering any remaining aspects of high-end computing power as it tries to reestablish its position. For its part, China is likely to intensify the tech war, offering greater support for domestic players and further restricting rare earths.

It’s unclear whether AI will continue to be a two-team race. For most, the cost of admission will be prohibitively expensive, so the disparity between the haves and the have-nots will only widen. European players are looking to catch up; the United Kingdom and France are trying to invest in their own domestic capabilities to avoid being left behind.

The emergence of DeepSeek was, more than anything, a wake-up call, one that sent a clear and inscrutable message: that AI is set to revolutionize all forms of geopolitical power. And just as the space race defined international relations in years past, the race for more powerful AI may well define the years to come