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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #750 on: September 05, 2022, 08:22:56 AM »
I think it could far surpass even that. The massive population increase combined with people being turned into warring factions. Machiavelli said something akin to "When you have a city with many factions, they always fall. The weak faction always sides with the invader and the other is not strong enough to defeat both."

But that said, so many hungry mouths... people who have NO idea how to farm/survive without government help. Millions of war aged migrants from Islamic nations. Really going to be a time of wolves eating lambs. Might even provoke China who's hungry for an economy growing, nation unifying war of conquest I bet. "Humanitarian aid" where they help select the next leaders of Europe and leave military bases behind.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #751 on: September 05, 2022, 08:26:38 AM »
Agreed.


I think it could far surpass even that. The massive population increase combined with people being turned into warring factions. Machiavelli said something akin to "When you have a city with many factions, they always fall. The weak faction always sides with the invader and the other is not strong enough to defeat both."

But that said, so many hungry mouths... people who have NO idea how to farm/survive without government help. Millions of war aged migrants from Islamic nations. Really going to be a time of wolves eating lambs. Might even provoke China who's hungry for an economy growing, nation unifying war of conquest I bet. "Humanitarian aid" where they help select the next leaders of Europe and leave military bases behind.

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Zeihan on the current state of things
« Reply #753 on: September 06, 2022, 02:07:46 AM »
Quite contrary to the sources GM is citing.

Kherson appears to be pivotal and apparently the Ukes have a real shot at it and if they get it, they are in a position to really fukk the Russkis up the ass for reasons explained in the clip.  Fascinating stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb3U9Ydiw64

BTW, coinciding with what he says here are reports I saw elsewhere that Russia is buying ammo from North Korea
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #755 on: September 06, 2022, 07:02:46 AM »
"According to the analysis by The Insider and printed in Pravda, during six months of aggression against Ukraine, Russia had to use at least 7 million shells, not including the losses at frontline storage sites that resulted from Ukrainian strikes. "If the intensity of the war remains at its current level, Moscow will face a tangible shell shortage by the end of 2022 and will have to reduce its use of artillery in order to save munitions," the article says.

"The author also points out the problem of wear and tear of artillery barrels. While the guides on Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems have a long service life when properly maintained, the barrels of rifled artillery guns, as well as tank guns, wear out much faster. As the author of the article writes, by the end of 2022, the wear and tear of the artillery will lead to a drastic reduction in its effectiveness.

"Thus, the expected projectile shortage should coincide with the growing shortage of artillery pieces. At the same time, "things are not going smoothly" with the production of artillery and ammunition.

""Being cut off from supplies of Western equipment, spare parts and materials and simultaneously limited in human capital and labour productivity, Russian artillery and ammunition manufacturers will inevitably face production cuts rather than stagnation in the foreseeable future," the article says. The Russian Federation is also facing a growing shortage of long-range missiles. However, Russia is masking this deficit by shelling Ukrainian cities with long-range rocket artillery and by using S-300/S-400 air defence/anti-missile systems to strike ground targets.

"It is unlikely that Russian industry has the potential to substantially increase rocket production, due not only to the embargo on the supply of equipment and personnel restrictions, but also to relatively low labour productivity."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/31/7365546/

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WSJ: Uke attacks look promising
« Reply #756 on: September 07, 2022, 04:11:45 AM »
Ukrainian Troops Advance in East, Threatening Russian Supply Route
Ukraine seeks to take the initiative as its forces also press Russia in the south
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An unexpected Ukrainian military offensive in the east near the country’s second-largest city of Kharkiv is gaining ground, testing Russian occupation forces that are also under pressure in southern Ukraine.

Ukrainian units are advancing eastward from Kharkiv, according to Ukrainian officials and Russian war bloggers, targeting a critical Russian supply route.

One target of the offensive is the city of Kupyansk, a road hub for Russian supplies heading south from the border into eastern Ukraine. A continued Ukrainian advance could also threaten to isolate Russian forces in the city of Izyum, which Russia has been seeking to use as a staging point for its own offensive in eastern Ukraine.

Ukrainian forces surrounded the city of Balakliya on Tuesday and advanced along a road northeast, seizing villages, according to Russian bloggers who are close to the Russian military. Ukraine’s military didn’t comment, but an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed the gains.

“There are surprises along the whole front,” said the adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych.

There was no immediate comment from the Russian government on Ukraine’s offensives.

The advance near Kharkiv comes a week after Ukraine launched an offensive in the south, retaking several villages and expanding a bridgehead across the Inhulets River. Ukraine is trying to cut off thousands of Russian troops in the southern regional capital of Kherson, which Russia seized early in its invasion.

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Ukraine also claimed fresh success in the south on Wednesday, seizing a village and striking Russian military facilities, pontoon bridges used to supply troops in Kherson and ammunition depots.

The dual offensives add to indications that Ukraine is increasingly seizing the military initiative in the war, forcing Russia to react to its moves.

After pushing Russian troops back from the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv this spring, Ukrainian forces had been gradually retreating from cities in the east that Russia was leveling with artillery and airstrikes. But Russia’s eastern offensive appears exhausted, with manpower and supply shortages exacerbated by Ukraine’s use of long-range rockets provided by the U.S. to strike command posts and ammunition and fuel depots.


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Ukraine spoke openly of its intention to launch a southern offensive, prompting Russia to reinforce its units in the south with thousands of troops from the east. That appears to have opened opportunities for Ukrainian forces in the east to advance.

“Russia’s deployment of forces from Kharkiv and eastern Ukraine to Ukraine’s south is likely enabling Ukrainian counterattacks of opportunity,” the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, wrote in an analysis late Tuesday.

Mr. Arestovych, the Ukrainian presidential adviser, said multiple offensives were keeping the Russians off balance and leaving them unable to shore up all positions with reserves.

“It’s clear who has the initiative at the moment,” he said.

On Tuesday, Ukraine said its forces had also made limited advances in the eastern region of Luhansk, almost all of which was captured by Russia during its now-stalled eastern offensive.

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Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #757 on: September 07, 2022, 05:45:27 AM »
Gazprom is the Russian state owned gas company (who turned off the Nordstream) and now trades gas with China. They released this propaganda video recently using the song "And winter will be big." I think this is a pretty big sign they're going to sit, wait and let the economic damage end the war, or at least want to scare people into thinking that.

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https://londonlovesbusiness.com/putins-gazprom-warns-winter-will-be-big-and-threatens-to-freeze-europe-to-death-as-the-ice-age-begins/

Putin’s Gazprom warns ‘winter will be big’ and threatens to freeze Europe to death as ‘the ice age begins’
written by LLB Reporter 7th Sep 22 11:45 am

Russia’s state own gas company Gazprom has released a video threatening to freeze Europe to death and warns the “winter will be big.”
   
Gazprom released an advertisement showing Europe freezing over as they are blaming Western countries for the shortage in gas supplies in response to sanctions and the energy price cap Brussels announced last Friday.

On Tuesday Gazprom’s deputy chief executive Vitaly Markelov warned that they will not resume gas supplies to Europe and Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war. "

 https://youtu.be/n2b_0gfV_4E

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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #758 on: September 07, 2022, 09:03:55 AM »
Why wouldn't they let europe freeze?


Gazprom is the Russian state owned gas company (who turned off the Nordstream) and now trades gas with China. They released this propaganda video recently using the song "And winter will be big." I think this is a pretty big sign they're going to sit, wait and let the economic damage end the war, or at least want to scare people into thinking that.

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https://londonlovesbusiness.com/putins-gazprom-warns-winter-will-be-big-and-threatens-to-freeze-europe-to-death-as-the-ice-age-begins/

Putin’s Gazprom warns ‘winter will be big’ and threatens to freeze Europe to death as ‘the ice age begins’
written by LLB Reporter 7th Sep 22 11:45 am

Russia’s state own gas company Gazprom has released a video threatening to freeze Europe to death and warns the “winter will be big.”
   
Gazprom released an advertisement showing Europe freezing over as they are blaming Western countries for the shortage in gas supplies in response to sanctions and the energy price cap Brussels announced last Friday.

On Tuesday Gazprom’s deputy chief executive Vitaly Markelov warned that they will not resume gas supplies to Europe and Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war. "

 https://youtu.be/n2b_0gfV_4E

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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #759 on: September 07, 2022, 03:11:57 PM »
Gazprom is the Russian state owned gas company (who turned off the Nordstream) and now trades gas with China. They released this propaganda video recently using the song "And winter will be big." I think this is a pretty big sign they're going to sit, wait and let the economic damage end the war, or at least want to scare people into thinking that.

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https://londonlovesbusiness.com/putins-gazprom-warns-winter-will-be-big-and-threatens-to-freeze-europe-to-death-as-the-ice-age-begins/

Putin’s Gazprom warns ‘winter will be big’ and threatens to freeze Europe to death as ‘the ice age begins’
written by LLB Reporter 7th Sep 22 11:45 am

Russia’s state own gas company Gazprom has released a video threatening to freeze Europe to death and warns the “winter will be big.”
   
Gazprom released an advertisement showing Europe freezing over as they are blaming Western countries for the shortage in gas supplies in response to sanctions and the energy price cap Brussels announced last Friday.

On Tuesday Gazprom’s deputy chief executive Vitaly Markelov warned that they will not resume gas supplies to Europe and Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war. "

 https://youtu.be/n2b_0gfV_4E

These people are evil.  Good post valerick.

From the article:
"Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war."

  - Mr. Putin, the sanctions were in response to your real war.

This will be an interesting game of chicken.  If he really freezes them to death, they won't come back later to buy Russian oil and gas.

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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #760 on: September 07, 2022, 03:36:34 PM »
Gazprom is the Russian state owned gas company (who turned off the Nordstream) and now trades gas with China. They released this propaganda video recently using the song "And winter will be big." I think this is a pretty big sign they're going to sit, wait and let the economic damage end the war, or at least want to scare people into thinking that.

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https://londonlovesbusiness.com/putins-gazprom-warns-winter-will-be-big-and-threatens-to-freeze-europe-to-death-as-the-ice-age-begins/

Putin’s Gazprom warns ‘winter will be big’ and threatens to freeze Europe to death as ‘the ice age begins’
written by LLB Reporter 7th Sep 22 11:45 am

Russia’s state own gas company Gazprom has released a video threatening to freeze Europe to death and warns the “winter will be big.”
   
Gazprom released an advertisement showing Europe freezing over as they are blaming Western countries for the shortage in gas supplies in response to sanctions and the energy price cap Brussels announced last Friday.

On Tuesday Gazprom’s deputy chief executive Vitaly Markelov warned that they will not resume gas supplies to Europe and Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war. "

 https://youtu.be/n2b_0gfV_4E

These people are evil.  Good post valerick.

From the article:
"Vladimir Putin blames the West for the most severe sanctions which is akin to an economic war."

  - Mr. Putin, the sanctions were in response to your real war.

This will be an interesting game of chicken.  If he really freezes them to death, they won't come back later to buy Russian oil and gas.

The west violated promises made and pushed deep into Russia's buffer states. The weak and decadent west then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity.

Natural consequences to bad decisions.

Zero sympathy from me.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #761 on: September 07, 2022, 04:11:49 PM »
FWIW my assessment is that Russia will not need to sell to the West from here forward.  I will sell to China, India, and maybe Africa.

Working from memory here, there was a time when I was posting about Russia needing to be a monopsony for Central Asian gas (a major factor in its actions in Chechnya and Georgia and Sryia) so that it could export its western gas to Europe.

If my observation above is correct, then it may be that the dynamic is reversed-- the Central Asian gas will go to China and India and the western gas with meet domestic Russian demand.

Unknown variable:  Russia gas exports through Black Sea-Bosphorus-Suez Canal to India-China?

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D1: Things looking up for Ukes
« Reply #762 on: September 07, 2022, 04:14:10 PM »
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On one of the fronts discussed below, Zeihan's dicsussion of Russian vulnerablity in Kherson is looking good.
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September 7, 2022   
         
Ukraine's counteroffensive seems to be making surprising progress against Russian invaders sprawled along a roughly 50-kilometer stretch southeast of Kharkiv. That's according to the Wall Street Journal's roving correspondent, Yaroslav Trofimov, who is watching the "Balakliya-Izyum front as Russian military bloggers and analysts remain in doomsday mode," he tweeted Wednesday morning.

"Lots of videos of Russian POWs (including a lieutenant-colonel) and abandoned Russian positions" coming from that region, he writes, and notes, "The speed of the Ukrainian advance seems to have stunned everyone." Russia also appears to be losing trucks and tanks at a familiar rate, almost akin to its failed sprint to Kyiv nearly six months ago.

So, what's the plan for Ukraine? Unclear precisely, of course. But analysts like Rob Lee point to this illustrated summary, which suggests perhaps obvious northeasterly intentions to break through Russian lines. (Lee started a tweet thread with updates related to the apparent offensive, and you can review that here.)

The Brits say three main fronts are receiving the bulk of the action nationwide. That is, "in the north, near Kharkiv; in the east in the Donbas; and in the south in Kherson Oblast." And those three pressure points are very likely posing problems for Russian officers trying to decide where to allay reserves to support an offensive in the Donbas, "or to defend against continued Ukrainian advances in the south." And that suggests Ukraine's recent progress appears to be pinching Russian commanders in a fairly efficient manner.

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Ukraine says it's killed dozens of Russian military contractors around Kharkiv. "Individual units count more than 40 percent seriously wounded and killed," according to the daily report from Ukraine's general staff, which noted that, "The bodies of many of the dead have not been identified and are counted as missing." However, Ukraine officials say they also shot down a Russian Ka-52 helicopter, which is possible; but folks like Lee aren't quite convinced.

The International Atomic Energy Agency released its plan to safeguard Ukraine's most imperiled nuclear facility, which Russian troops have forcibly occupied since the first days of the invasion. To begin, the plan calls for "the immediate establishment of a protection zone," the IAEA's Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi explained in a carefully-worded tweet thread Tuesday, shortly after the report's release (PDF, here).

A second opinion: Analysts at the Institute for the Study of War call the IAEA's report "a coded condemnation of Russian moves that have created and are perpetuating the danger of nuclear disaster in Ukraine.

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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #763 on: September 07, 2022, 06:56:42 PM »
"The west violated promises made and pushed deep into Russia's buffer states. The weak and decadent west then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity."

I disagree with this characterization of events.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #764 on: September 08, 2022, 03:16:20 AM »
GM:

What do you have in mind here?

" then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity."

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #765 on: September 08, 2022, 06:02:42 AM »
GM:

What do you have in mind here?

" then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity."

" then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's (europe's) energy production capacity."

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #766 on: September 08, 2022, 07:56:15 AM »
That helps clarify.

What actions do you have in mind as far as wrecking Russia's economy?  Is this pre or post Russian invasion?

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #767 on: September 08, 2022, 07:59:18 AM »
That helps clarify.

What actions do you have in mind as far as wrecking Russia's economy?  Is this pre or post Russian invasion?

Post. It takes profound stupidity to make yourself dependent on Russian energy and then try to wage economic war on Russia.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #768 on: September 08, 2022, 08:03:16 AM »
"Life is tough.  It is tougher when you are stupid."  John Wayne

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #769 on: September 08, 2022, 08:06:36 AM »
"Life is tough.  It is tougher when you are stupid."  John Wayne

"You Americans zink evertink iz zee John Wane movie! Mein Gott, I cannot feel mein feet!" -Unnamed German, later this winter

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Ukraine claims gains
« Reply #770 on: September 09, 2022, 09:46:58 AM »
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/blinken-visits-ukraine-pivotal-moment-kyiv-claims-gains-2022-09-08/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196635/temp.html
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I'm pulling for the Ukrainians in this one.

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Re: Ukraine claims gains
« Reply #771 on: September 09, 2022, 09:51:13 AM »
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ :roll:blinken-visits-ukraine-pivotal-moment-kyiv-claims-gains-2022-09-08/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196635/temp.html
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I'm pulling for the Ukrainians in this one.

Just 270 trillion dollars away from victory! Please send now!
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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #772 on: September 09, 2022, 10:21:40 AM »
"The west violated promises made and pushed deep into Russia's buffer states. The weak and decadent west then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity."

I disagree with this characterization of events.

Bringing a post of mine forward from the US Russia Europe thread:

https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1132.msg143483#msg143483

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR18NiLcAsF3mbj2bHCD1bhnygsA-oqqvyE_ULutttu5tqAGVfIpR1A6wtg

Prof. Mearsheimer, from the article:   "I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, where afterward NATO issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO."

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One person who strongly disagreed with that is Sen Joe Biden in 2007 who said Russia had slipped into "authoritarianism, corruption, and manufactured belligerence" and was "bully[ing] its neighbors".
https://irp.fas.org/congress/2007_hr/russia.pdf
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   - Blame the rape victim for carrying mace or blame Ukraine for wanting defensive weapons and agreements to protect itself against a "belligerent", " bullying" neighbor who happens to be a major nuclear power, I don't buy the idea that the desire to protect your country from an aggressor is justification for the aggressor to come in and crush you.

Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, as I understand it, gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees they did not receive.

Didn't everyone who studied Russia's behavior under Putin know their intent was and is to reconstitute the Soviet Union and the intent of the Soviet empire was to expand outward and threaten the west?  Wasn't there adequate evidence of that at the time?  Unless Sen Biden was lying in Congressional testimony in 2007, this did not start in Bucharest 2008.  NATO and Ukraine were responding to the existential threat posed by Putin / Russia.

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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #773 on: September 09, 2022, 10:34:12 AM »
"The west violated promises made and pushed deep into Russia's buffer states. The weak and decadent west then decided to wreck Russia's economy after gutting it's energy production capacity."

I disagree with this characterization of events.

Bringing a post of mine forward from the US Russia Europe thread:

https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1132.msg143483#msg143483

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine?fbclid=IwAR18NiLcAsF3mbj2bHCD1bhnygsA-oqqvyE_ULutttu5tqAGVfIpR1A6wtg

Prof. Mearsheimer, from the article:   "I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, where afterward NATO issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO."

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One person who strongly disagreed with that is Sen Joe Biden in 2007 who said Russia had slipped into "authoritarianism, corruption, and manufactured belligerence" and was "bully[ing] its neighbors".
https://irp.fas.org/congress/2007_hr/russia.pdf
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   - Blame the rape victim for carrying mace or blame Ukraine for wanting defensive weapons and agreements to protect itself against a "belligerent", " bullying" neighbor who happens to be a major nuclear power, I don't buy the idea that the desire to protect your country from an aggressor is justification for the aggressor to come in and crush you.

Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, as I understand it, gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees they did not receive.

Didn't everyone who studied Russia's behavior under Putin know their intent was and is to reconstitute the Soviet Union and the intent of the Soviet empire was to expand outward and threaten the west?  Wasn't there adequate evidence of that at the time?  Unless Sen Biden was lying in Congressional testimony in 2007, this did not start in Bucharest 2008.  NATO and Ukraine were responding to the existential threat posed by Putin / Russia.

“protect itself against a "belligerent", " bullying" neighbor who happens to be a major nuclear power”

Like NATO?

Russia has been invaded many times(anyone know the exact number?). Unlike the leadership of the decadent and rotting west, Putin actually wants to protect his nation.

I have no objection to a well armed but neutral Ukraine. That’s not what Ukraine was, acting as a NATO proxy got them into this situation.


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Re: Gazprom Video / Winter wait
« Reply #774 on: September 09, 2022, 11:22:49 AM »
quote author=G M

protect itself against a "belligerent", " bullying" neighbor who happens to be a major nuclear power

"Like NATO?

Russia has been invaded many times(anyone know the exact number?). Unlike the leadership of the decadent and rotting west, Putin actually wants to protect his nation.

I have no objection to a well armed but neutral Ukraine. That’s not what Ukraine was, acting as a NATO proxy got them into this situation."

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I know we already had this discussion, so I won't try to change anyone's mind.  But I don't buy it.

NATO is a threat, not to Russia but to Russian expansion.  Even in this war of Russia's choosing, NATO still hasn't invaded Russia.  Ukraine also hasn't invaded Russia in this war, funny thing.  Ukraine wasn't a threat to Russia and NATO isn't either.  All Russia has to do to stop getting shot is go home.

Ukraine had coastline and resources that Russia wants.  Simple as that. 

Russia was invaded how many times - in our lifetime, in Putin's lifetime?  Zero?  Nyet?  Nada?
https://www.rbth.com/history/330753-which-countries-dared-to-invade-russia

Who has Russia and the Soviets invaded since WWII?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-37680610  Soviet tanks crush Hungary.
https://www.indy100.com/news/russia-ussr-invaded-countries-map

Shorten the timeframe and Russia is the one invading neighbors.

If you are Russia's neighbor, you will be controlled or fall.  Is that sovereignty?

Funny we believe in a right of self defense - on all the other threads.

How do you stay "neutral" with an invading bully at the border?  Inside the border?

How come Ukraine didn't feel threatened by NATO?  NATO isn't an invading force.  It's (barely) a force to defend against an invading force.

I'm not saying blank check or how many US billions should go in; just saying I'm pulling for the Ukrainians, and it's a better investment than a lot of things our money goes toward.

After Ukraine and Belarus fall, then anything the next tier does to protect themselves is provocative?

Sorry, I don't buy it.
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Drilling for oil and gas here and in Europe, etc. is how you contain Russia.  (Also avoid weak leaders lacking resolve.)

Oil price:
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GPF: Ukraine's vulnerable power grid
« Reply #775 on: September 09, 2022, 06:46:57 PM »
   
Ukraine's Vulnerable Power Grid
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Ukraine's Vulnerable Power Grid
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Ukraine’s energy crisis differs dramatically from that of its European counterparts. In Europe, the problem is related to exorbitantly high prices. But in Ukraine, the crisis is shaped primarily by the battlefield, where energy infrastructure has been a major site of the fighting. Since the beginning of Russia’s invasion in February, electricity demand in Ukraine has fallen by about 40 percent. This is largely due to nuclear power plants being taken offline, damage to distribution infrastructure, displacement of people and industry, and the lack of funds for operation and maintenance of facilities.

The physical and financial destruction of Ukraine’s energy sector could also have long-term impacts. The damage caused to energy infrastructure and companies thus far will require billions of dollars and many years to repair. The fighting has also significantly set back Ukraine’s efforts to integrate the sector with the EU and shift to renewables. Disruptions in the energy market will also limit the extent to which industry and other businesses can resume full operations.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #776 on: September 09, 2022, 07:21:16 PM »
Something odd going on in Ukr. They are capturing lots of territory near kharkiv, with minimal Russian pushback. Almost as if no one is defending those areas.

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Ukraine: What must be done
« Reply #777 on: September 10, 2022, 08:17:38 AM »



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Zeihan
« Reply #780 on: September 11, 2022, 12:13:34 PM »
From a few days ago-- I meant to post this but here it is now.  Some very interesting insights relevant to current military developments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb3U9Ydiw64

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NY Post
« Reply #781 on: September 11, 2022, 05:29:17 PM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #782 on: September 11, 2022, 06:46:17 PM »
Is Russia losing ?
Stoltenberg admitted that there has been “no sign” that Putin or Moscow is giving up its objectives in Ukraine. He keeps insisting that Russia’s ultimate goal in the conflict is “taking control of Ukraine.” He knows that is not true and perhaps is begging Putin to adopt that goal. If that were true, Putin should do as the USA did in Iraq – (1) take down the power grid, (2) take down the communications, (3) attack the water supply, and (4) attack the food supply.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/russia/is-russia-losing/
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #783 on: September 11, 2022, 08:07:34 PM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #784 on: September 11, 2022, 08:51:40 PM »
Are the Uke forces nearing Moscow?

No?

 :roll:


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Walter Russell Mead: What if?
« Reply #786 on: September 12, 2022, 03:26:49 PM »


We've been following WRM around here for a while now.

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What if Putin Uses a Nuclear Weapon in Ukraine?
If Putin chooses the path of Khrushchev, President Biden needs to stand like JFK.
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Sept. 12, 2022 5:40 pm ET


Ukraine scored a stunning victory in the Kharkiv region over the weekend. Routed Russian forces ditched valuable weapons and tons of badly needed munitions and supplies in a chaotic rush to safety. This signals a new stage in Vladimir Putin’s disastrous war. The Ukrainian army is better armed, better led and more committed to the war than its Russian opponents, and morale among Ukraine’s defenders will now be higher than ever.

Mr. Putin’s choices look bleak. As he struggles to stabilize the military situation while fending off critics at home, he must choose between accepting a humiliating defeat in Ukraine and doubling down in pursuit of a military victory that, as more Western weapons reach Ukraine’s energized defenders, looks very difficult to achieve.

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Ukraine can take a moment to celebrate, and even gloat, over a hard-fought military success. The Biden administration deserves credit for leading the surge of allied support that made the Ukrainians’ extraordinary achievement possible. And supporters of peace and freedom around the world can rejoice that Mr. Putin’s wanton aggression has brought him to such an unhappy place. Yet Ukraine’s northern victory, however welcome, isn’t the end of the war. As Mr. Putin contemplates his options, we may be approaching a moment of maximum danger.

For Mr. Putin, the war in Ukraine began as what Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass has called a “war of choice.” Mr. Putin could have left Ukraine undisturbed and gone on to rule Russia for many years to come. But having chosen to start the war, he can’t afford to lose it. Radical Russian nationalists are already blaming him for the military failures in Ukraine. The Kremlin is no place for the weak, and the hard men who run Russia could turn on a politically wounded Mr. Putin in a heartbeat. Regardless of public sentiment across Russia, the people closest to Mr. Putin likely still want him to win the war.

The question is what Mr. Putin does next. If he can stabilize the military front until winter sets in, he has several months to prepare for the spring. He might use that time to organize a general mobilization, building a much larger conscript army for another year of conventional combat. But if the front doesn’t stabilize, or if he feels that public resistance to a general mobilization could endanger the stability of the regime, he might look to more drastic options, such as the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

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It is anything but clear how the West would respond. Allowing Mr. Putin to use nuclear blackmail to assert his control over Ukraine would be such a craven act that the moral and political foundations of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would be shaken to the core—and nuclear-armed aggressors elsewhere would take note. Yet the obvious countermove, placing Ukraine under an American nuclear umbrella, risks the greatest nuclear crisis since John F. Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev squared off over Cuba in October 1962.

So far, American policy has aimed at avoiding the binary choice between abandoning Ukraine and provoking a nuclear confrontation with Russia. For this policy to work, Washington needs a Goldilocks resistance from Ukraine: not so weak and cold that Russia wins a clear-cut victory, but also not so hot and successful that Russia, faced with a shattering defeat, resorts in desperation to its nuclear arsenal.

The Ukrainian advances in the northeast don’t yet force Mr. Putin to choose between nuclear blackmail and abject defeat. The relatively flat and open terrain of eastern Ukraine historically favors wars of movement, in which armies sweep back and forth over large distances without necessarily achieving decisive military results. That both Russia and Ukraine have stretched relatively small armies across a very long military frontier further increases the chance of breakthroughs. This isn’t World War I, in which massive armies were deeply entrenched along a largely static front line. And given shortages of troops and equipment, prudent commanders are unlikely to press Ukraine’s current offensive indefinitely forward.

Even so, the West needs to think about the unthinkable: If Washington’s Goldilocks scenario doesn’t materialize, and continued Ukrainian success turns Mr. Putin into a cornered rat, what then?

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #787 on: September 13, 2022, 04:53:33 AM »
YA:

What did you make of the Zeihan clip above?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-front-line-in-kharkiv-collapses-in-major-victory-for-ukraine/ar-AA11FTVd?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=03b824e7e3cc424892959e9bd56fc246
Occam's razor says that Russian forces are spread thin and they have regrouped to where they have more ethnic Russians in the population. It is difficult to defend a frontline stretching thousands of miles from Kharkiv to Kherson, which are at the extreme ends of the front line. Russia just does not have a large enough army.  My guess is they will focus on acquiring depth as opposed to breadth. It would be the wrong conclusion that Russia is falling apart, or that they cannot manufacture artillery shells and rockets in quantity. Russian weapons are much cheaper than western ones, and while these weapons may not have all the bells and whistles that American weapons have, they kill effectively, especially when used in large quantities.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #788 on: September 13, 2022, 03:08:34 PM »
Ummm , , , point taken I suppose, but if so, why are they buying from the Norks?  How is troop morale?  The Chechen general apparently is pist off too.

Apparently as Zeihan predicted, the Ukes have scored a shitload of Russki weaponry.

I'm guessing Uke morale is pretty strong right about now.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #789 on: September 13, 2022, 03:11:10 PM »
Ummm , , , point taken I suppose, but if so, why are they buying from the Norks?  How is troop morale?  The Chechen general apparently is pist off too.

Apparently as Zeihan predicted, the Ukes have scored a shitload of Russki weaponry.

I'm guessing Uke morale is pretty strong right about now.

Tell me about the battle of the Bulge.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #790 on: September 13, 2022, 03:16:08 PM »
You may be getting pretty far out on a limb there GM , , , 

Anyway, if I am not mistaken, this is General Keene's home base:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-12

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #791 on: September 13, 2022, 03:18:40 PM »
We shall see. Gaining ground and holding it are quite different.


You may be getting pretty far out on a limb there GM , , , 

Anyway, if I am not mistaken, this is General Keene's home base:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-12

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #792 on: September 13, 2022, 03:28:31 PM »
As the Russians are discovering in this moment  :evil:

More seriously, of course this can go the other way too-- but it would appear that what we are seeing now was outside the range of the plausible for some of the sources you have been citing.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #793 on: September 13, 2022, 03:46:59 PM »
Russia plays the long game. I expect this to be a Pyrrhic victory for the Ukes.

We shall see.


As the Russians are discovering in this moment  :evil:

More seriously, of course this can go the other way too-- but it would appear that what we are seeing now was outside the range of the plausible for some of the sources you have been citing.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #794 on: September 13, 2022, 03:53:47 PM »
Well, its long game now has Finland and Sweden in NATO, Russia's military rep is in tatters, and Putin seems likely to die in the near-to-medium future , , ,

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #795 on: September 13, 2022, 04:03:55 PM »
Well, its long game now has Finland and Sweden in NATO, Russia's military rep is in tatters, and Putin seems likely to die in the near-to-medium future , , ,

Finland and Sweden ? They, like their fellow euro countries are shitting themselves about mass die-offs and currency collapse this winter.

Let's see what exists in europe this spring.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #796 on: September 13, 2022, 04:35:39 PM »
Well, its long game now has Finland and Sweden in NATO, Russia's military rep is in tatters, and Putin seems likely to die in the near-to-medium future , , ,

Finland and Sweden ? They, like their fellow euro countries are shitting themselves about mass die-offs and currency collapse this winter.

Let's see what exists in europe this spring.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/finnish-economist-i-am-telling-you-people-that-the-situation-in-europe-is-much-worse-than-many-understand/


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #798 on: September 13, 2022, 05:52:28 PM »
Ummm , , , point taken I suppose, but if so, why are they buying from the Norks?  How is troop morale?  The Chechen general apparently is pist off too.

Apparently as Zeihan predicted, the Ukes have scored a shitload of Russki weaponry.

I'm guessing Uke morale is pretty strong right about now.
First, what's wrong with buying from the Norks, is Ukr not getting weapons from multiple EU countries and the USA. Second, I have a hard time believing the mainstream media, their track record is not stellar, for a long time they kept saying that Russia was losing, but it turned out that Russia ended up taking 20 % of Ukr. I would be concerned if Putin is deposed, but apart from that this withdrawal from Kharkiv was a strategic withdrawal, as opposed to a defeat in war. If Putin gives up Donbass/Kherson, that would be a forced withdrawal. Re:Kharkiv, I have been monitoring that area for a while, the Russians initially occupied the border areas, they lost/withdrew, then came back and occupied the whole area and have now withdrawn again. Its possible its a hard area to defend.

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George Friedman: What will Russia do?
« Reply #799 on: September 13, 2022, 06:23:28 PM »
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During World War II, one needed to say only “the war” for others to know what was being discussed. We have reached the same point with the Russo-Ukrainian war. This is not what the Russians expected to happen. They expected the war to be over quickly because they regarded their military as self-evidently superior to what the Ukrainians would put on the field. Few nations start a war assuming they will lose. They start wars with the same expectation: Hit hard, and be home for Christmas. But the history of the world is filled with the stories of great armies and warriors fighting long and desperate battles. And the history of warfare is filled with examples of confidence meeting reality.

It is far from clear what the final outcome will be. The initial Russian offensive ended in failure, less because of Ukrainians forces, brave though they might have been, than because of a poorly developed Russian strategy, leading to supply shortages and command failures. The Russians regrouped, focused on more modest advances in the expectation that over time they would break the Ukrainian forces and occupy, if not all of Ukraine, then at least a substantial amount of it.

The Ukrainians didn’t break. Wars are fought by soldiers, but they are also fought with weapons and intelligence. Even brave soldiers would fail without these and other material. This is where the Russians experienced their own intelligence failure. They knew that the U.S. had the capacity to deploy world-class weapons but believed the deployment would take time. So it had to be a short war, and when they failed to gain a quick victory, the Ukrainians were armed with an extraordinary array of state-of-the-art weapons, delivered in expanding type and number, with losses replaced.

The United States bought time for the Ukrainian army to evolve from the light infantry force that started the war into an army resembling, in many ways, a great power. Anti-air systems forced the Russians to exercise caution, anti-armor systems caused them to focus on infantry movement, and American artillery meant the Ukrainians could win artillery duels. Russian President Vladimir Putin on several occasions said that the war was not against Ukraine but against the United States. In a real sense he was right, even though he meant it only as propaganda.

All of this is both true and misleading. The war is not over, and Ukraine has not won, although recent advances are significant. No one would have believed that Ukraine could survive the Russian onslaught in the first months. But it did. The Russians reorganized their command structure, introduced superior armor and imposed harsh discipline on their troops. They paid a staggering price, but in time, they redefined the war.

They must now regain their balance. On one hand, they are in far better condition than in 1941. Outright defeat is very unlikely, and they can choose the time and place to attack from a large menu. On the other hand, they are in much worse shape. They are not in a life or death struggle against a monstrous enemy. The troops are not defending their wives and parents from unspeakable fates. The soldiers are not consigned to their own deaths. But it can sometimes destroy an army to fight for ends that are not personal to the soldiers. Throwing away their rifles is not an affront to their families.

The Russians are nevertheless fighting with all of this in mind. They are not simply fighting to postpone the inevitable because the longer a war lasts, the greater the price leaders pay. Putin cannot afford to lose this war, nor can the many others who helped plan it. So before celebrating, the Ukrainians and Americans must calculate their next move, assuming that Russia’s next move is to collapse or capitulate, both of which are unlikely.

One thing the Russians may be counting on is a very cold winter in Europe, which could lead to a European capitulation. But at this stage of the war that doesn’t matter much. Europe’s support is heartening but has minimal military meaning. The U.S. and Ukraine will not stop fighting to keep Europe in the war.

Another strategy the Russians might attempt is to ask China for help. But they are already allied with China, and China has made no move to help. China could support only a small contingent in Ukraine, which they would have to supply because of Russian limits. China is also aware of the economic war the U.S. is waging against Russia, and given its own economic condition, China does not want to face that.

A third strategy might be to negotiate peace. But the Russians cannot return to the Russian border with nothing but dead soldiers to show for it. The Ukrainians will not cede part of their country, viewing any settlement as temporary. A negotiation on either side would now be a capitulation.

The fourth strategy is the only one that seems like a real possibility. One side must defeat the other. Neither side can afford the cost of failing such an attack. The Russian advantage is manpower. There are reports from multiple sources, including American ones, of large numbers of Russian troops training in the Russian Far East. The Russians need more troops, so these reports are believable. Russia is not going to defeat an army armed with American weapons with the number of forces it has deployed thus far. The Russians face a choice of attacking with overwhelming force or losing the war. They will choose the former.

The Russians are protected by a political and military reality. The U.S. is not interested in hitting Russia directly, either with conventional or nuclear weapons. Russia can hit back. Neither side wants a direct Russo-American war. Reinforcements can be hit upon crossing into Ukraine, but the Russians will send a vast number of trainees because heavy casualties at every stage is inevitable.

So long as Putin is president, every effort will be made to win, because he cannot afford anything less than victory. And I don’t see any other possible strategies except the manpower one, which I assume will happen very soon or after the winter. It does not seem to me that the current forces deployed by Russia can do more than hold on to some areas. There needs to be reinforcement. Putin may have other strategies, but they are hard to envision.