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My friend has been making this point
« Reply #900 on: October 03, 2022, 05:19:14 AM »
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On Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, occupied by Russia since 2014, indigenous Crimean Tatars say they are being targeted by Moscow for the military draft, leaving them with a stark choice: flee their homeland or be thrown into the fight against their Ukrainian compatriots.

Russia’s broad military mobilization has sparked rare nationwide protests and a massive flight for the borders, with hundreds of thousands who don’t want to fight fleeing abroad. Nowhere is the situation more desperate than in Crimea, where the Kremlin is seeking to mobilize people who until eight years ago were citizens of Ukraine.

The practice is likely to become more widespread after Russia formally claims four more regions of Ukraine following staged referendums that concluded last week. Moscow already relies heavily on residents of Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, parts of which Moscow’s forces seized in 2014, to backfill its manpower deficit.

Ukraine’s Crimean Tatars say they have been singled out by the draft, which Russian President Vladimir Putin launched last month to generate new troops after a string of battlefield setbacks.

More than half and possibly up to 90% of people currently drafted from the peninsula are Crimean Tatars, despite making up no more than 13% of the population, according to data collected from community leaders there by independent human rights group CrimeaSOS. In just one settlement, the Kyiv-based group said, 27 out of 28 draft notices were given to Crimean Tatars, who make up less than 40% of the population there.

A Crimean Tatar craftsman from the northern Crimean town of Dzhankoi with no military experience slipped away with his wife and children last week after his name appeared in a list of those liable to be drafted that was leaked online. He made it to Kazakhstan and plans to travel on to Uzbekistan, according to his cousin in Kyiv, Ukraine.

“Go with God,” the man’s cousin wrote him. “Well done.”

On Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, occupied by Russia since 2014, indigenous Crimean Tatars say they are being targeted by Moscow for the military draft, leaving them with a stark choice: flee their homeland or be thrown into the fight against their Ukrainian compatriots.

Russia’s broad military mobilization has sparked rare nationwide protests and a massive flight for the borders, with hundreds of thousands who don’t want to fight fleeing abroad. Nowhere is the situation more desperate than in Crimea, where the Kremlin is seeking to mobilize people who until eight years ago were citizens of Ukraine.

The practice is likely to become more widespread after Russia formally claims four more regions of Ukraine following staged referendums that concluded last week. Moscow already relies heavily on residents of Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, parts of which Moscow’s forces seized in 2014, to backfill its manpower deficit.

Ukraine’s Crimean Tatars say they have been singled out by the draft, which Russian President Vladimir Putin launched last month to generate new troops after a string of battlefield setbacks.

More than half and possibly up to 90% of people currently drafted from the peninsula are Crimean Tatars, despite making up no more than 13% of the population, according to data collected from community leaders there by independent human rights group CrimeaSOS. In just one settlement, the Kyiv-based group said, 27 out of 28 draft notices were given to Crimean Tatars, who make up less than 40% of the population there.

A Crimean Tatar craftsman from the northern Crimean town of Dzhankoi with no military experience slipped away with his wife and children last week after his name appeared in a list of those liable to be drafted that was leaked online. He made it to Kazakhstan and plans to travel on to Uzbekistan, according to his cousin in Kyiv, Ukraine.

“Go with God,” the man’s cousin wrote him. “Well done.”

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #901 on: October 03, 2022, 06:25:32 AM »
"isn't that (NATO membership) precisely what Putin said his red line was?  And weren't the movements towards bringing the Ukes into NATO precisely what triggered the invasion"


Yes on the first part and perhaps on the second.  Here's another theory.  Expansionism is what he knows, all he knows, and perceived weakness is the trigger.

Standing up to Putin could have triggered this, yes.  Partial appeasement did trigger this (?). Giving him a full green light to take Ukraine most certainly would have triggered this. 

Maybe we weren't  the trigger.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #903 on: October 03, 2022, 07:26:25 AM »
"isn't that (NATO membership) precisely what Putin said his red line was?  And weren't the movements towards bringing the Ukes into NATO precisely what triggered the invasion"


Yes on the first part and perhaps on the second.  Here's another theory.  Expansionism is what he knows, all he knows, and perceived weakness is the trigger.

Standing up to Putin could have triggered this, yes.  Partial appeasement did trigger this (?). Giving him a full green light to take Ukraine most certainly would have triggered this. 

Maybe we weren't  the trigger.

We were.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24483306

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #904 on: October 03, 2022, 08:32:41 AM »
No surprise, the VDH article is very good.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #905 on: October 03, 2022, 01:42:11 PM »
Saw Mike Pompeo on Martha McCallum today.

What a great Sec State he was! Sure wish we had him now!!!

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Daily Memo: Ukraine's Navy to Receive New Flagship
The vessel was produced in Turkey as part of a 2021 deal.
By: Geopolitical Futures


New ship. Ukraine’s navy launched the Ada-class anti-submarine corvette in Istanbul on Sunday. It’s the first of two Turkish-made corvettes under a deal signed in 2021. The vessel, which isn’t expected to be in operation until 2024, will likely become the Ukrainian navy’s new flagship, after its previous flagship was scuttled in March to avoid Russian capture. Turkey continues to support Ukraine with the provision of significant military equipment and economic ties.
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Geroge Friedman: What is Russia Thinking?
« Reply #906 on: October 04, 2022, 04:01:26 PM »
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What Is Russia Thinking??
By: George Friedman

The reason for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was clear: Moscow wanted strategic depth. Nothing Russia has done since, however, has been clear. The military has suffered several reversals, but this alone is not unexpected. Reversals are part of war, and prudent commanders anticipate and respond to them. Ideally, the responses are meant to solve or at least mitigate the problem as the war continues. Moscow is behaving as if the challenges it faces are a surprise.

Russia assumed from the beginning that it would bring overwhelming force to bear on a much weaker military. The expectation was that the Ukrainian military would fragment and thus be unable to offer much resistance. Moscow thought Ukraine believed the same. That the Kremlin was wrong isn’t the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem is that the Russian command structure, starting at the top with Vladimir Putin, didn’t banish their confidence. An invading force should be built on the assumption it is dealing with a powerful and motivated enemy, and that it needs to prepare for a tough war.

Meanwhile, Russia also did not expect the sheer amount of aid and weaponry the United States would send. It saw the U.S. as too disjointed politically and socially and with too strong an opposition to make much of a difference. The Russians have been very effective in waging psychological warfare as a key dimension of combat and engaged, as was reasonable, in creating division over the war in the United States. Moscow believed the U.S. would see the fall of Ukraine and the deployment of Russian troops to NATO’s eastern frontier as a potential recipe for another Cold War. Washington would probably want to respond but would be too fragmented to do so, or so the Russian thinking went.

These failures were evident from the outset of the war. Russia deployed three armored formations to break Ukrainian resistance, which it believed would be far inferior and isolated from American assistance. Neither was the case. The Russians were blocked by logistics problems of their own, as well as Javelin anti-tank missiles. Russian tanks froze in place or made little progress. With the Ukrainians emboldened, the Russians were forced to reevaluate their adversary.

But it seems as though they changed their tactics without changing their opinion of their enemy. Though they consolidated their forces in Donbas and fought an extended battle for control there, they didn’t advance to western Ukraine. They simply retreated toward their own border.

This was a crucial moment for Russia. It was clear that the Ukrainians were a significant and coherent fighting force, and it was clear that the United States was not going to limit its support, even as the Poles intensified the training of Ukrainians. All the while, both tactical and strategic intelligence mapped Russian forces and anticipated Russian moves. In many cases, Ukrainian forces were able to attack Russian forces at the most vulnerable point or retreat when Russian offensives appeared too costly.

It was at this point that the Russians should have reevaluated their likelihood of success. Offensive operations had had only limited success. The Ukrainian force outnumbered the Russian force and fought with discipline, while U.S. resupply and intelligence flowed. Russia retained enough potential power to alarm the West, power it ought to have used to seek peace through negotiations. In other words, Russia should have followed German Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt’s advice about what should be done near the end of World War II. His answer: “Make peace you fools.”

Given the confidence with which the initial attack was launched, making peace was unthinkable. All the dead, all the confidence, all of the well-spoken politicians would have been seen as a fraud. Putin has sought to turn the war from a Russian invasion to an American invasion of Russia. He has threatened nuclear war. He has mobilized truculent thousands, who may be trained by the end of winter, or perhaps never.

The most difficult part of a war is ending it without victory. The United States suffered through this in Vietnam. It is the wars that appear to be easy that are sometimes the hardest to fight and always the hardest to concede. No one doubted, in Russia or America, that World War II would be long, hard and possibly lost. Neither Russia nor the United States thought it could lose in Afghanistan.

It is an odd thing about confidence. Within the confines of reality, confidence is essential to fight a war. The hardest war to fight is the one in which the commander thinks victory is a given. When Russia started the war, it believed the mere sight of Russian tanks would scatter the Ukrainian army. Every reversal since has been dismissed by Moscow as simply an accident of war, instead of what it was: a war begun with certainty now confronting the reality of an enemy force superior to its own. Concern can be productive. Denial is the preface to desire. In war, the continued denial of reality is deadly.

Putin is responsible because he is the president. But the general staff and intelligence services share the blame. What has happened in Ukraine is a systemic breakdown of leadership that lead the country into a poorly understood war, insisting that victory is just around the corner if it simply holds the line. Wars like this usually end in political deaths. Vietnam finished Lyndon B. Johnson, World War II the Japanese and German regimes. Each fought with the hope of something turning up. It never did. The pivotal question is: What makes Russia think it can win next week when it hasn’t won in seven months? There is sometimes an answer to that kind of question, but Russian politicians are now laying blame on others for the failure. Making peace sounds easy to those who didn’t start the war.





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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #911 on: October 06, 2022, 06:18:28 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-parliament-defense-committee-chief-to-military-stop-lying-about-ukraine-losses/ar-AA12Dfqp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=134d77e4dfe941caa7fce78bbc8e7165

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WT:

Long winter to grip ‘annexed’ territories in frozen conflict

Lightning counteroffensive soon to become slog

BY BEN WOLFGANG THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed papers Wednesday officially “annexing” four Ukrainian provinces into Russia even as his forces faced more losses on the ground, setting the stage for what U.S. officials believe will be a long, bloody winter with both sides shooting it out on a frozen battlefield.

Mr. Putin’s claimed annexation — roundly rejected by Ukraine, the U.S. and virtually every other government on the planet — signals that the Kremlin has no intention of abandoning its territorial claims in Ukraine despite major defeats over the past two weeks by a well-coordinated, crushing Ukrainian counteroffensive.

Ukrainian troops scored fresh gains in that counterattack Wednesday. They reportedly pushed Russian troops out of more villages in southern and eastern Ukraine, undercutting Moscow’s claims that the front lines have “stabilized.”

Pentagon officials conceded this week that Kyiv’s highly effective counteroffensive campaign is about to become much more difficult as troops contend with plummeting temperatures, frigid conditions and muddy or even frozen terrain. That

cold reality seems to be setting the stage for what military strategists describe as a literal and figurative “frozen conflict,” with neither side able to notch any major victories until the increasingly harsh conditions subside.

U.S. officials say recent military aid packages to Ukraine include coldweather gear such as gloves and uniforms designed for low temperatures. Still, they acknowledge the coming months will be especially difficult for Ukraine, whose momentum could slow or perhaps stop entirely.

“Weather plays a big factor in any war. And here, what we would anticipate is … as the weather changes, maneuver will be much more challenging.” Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura K. Cooper told reporters at the Pentagon this week. “You get really muddy ground. It … increases just the challenge to the average fighter, the average soldier, in terms of the impact of the weather on the conditions.”

Sen. Christopher Murphy, Connecticut Democrat and member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told the Financial Times this week that “the fighting season is drawing short. The Ukrainians have gained the upper hand and need to continue to press their advantage.”

Ukrainian officials say Russia is prepared to use the cold weather to its advantage, just as it did last month by targeting Ukrainian infrastructure in numerous regions.

“The most likely indication of Moscow’s immediate intentions came earlier in September when Russian forces launched a series of targeted attacks against Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure. These missile strikes left much of northern and eastern Ukraine temporarily without electricity while also causing flooding in the south of the country,” said Kira Rudik, a member of the Ukrainian parliament and vice president of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe political party.

“Ukrainians are well aware of the threat posed by large-scale attacks on the country’s civilian infrastructure and are preparing accordingly,” she wrote in an analysis this week posted on the Atlantic Council’s website. “With the winter season fast approaching, [Ukraine] faces the prospect of entire regions suffering power blackouts and heating failures during periods of intense cold weather. The consequences for the civilian population could be catastrophic.”

Officials said there was urgency for Ukrainian forces to recapture territory in the south before winter because the ground has not frozen for the past three years, meaning the terrain will soon become muddy.

Those conditions will make it difficult for both sides to maneuver, forcing trucks and heavy artillery to stay on main roads, where they will be more exposed. The mud also hands an advantage to dug-in Russian troops defending territory they already occupy because they do not have to move across land, officials and analysts said.

Beyond its targeting of Ukrainian infrastructure, Russia could find winter to be a blessing in other arenas. Ukraine’s ability to move troops, vehicles and equipment across the battlefield could be severely diminished, potentially giving Russian troops time to reinforce their defensive front lines in the disputed Donbas region. The cold months will strain the resources of Western European countries supporting Ukraine as they struggle to adjust to a cutoff of Russian oil and natural gas.

A lengthy pause in fighting also gives Russian forces more time to train, equip and deploy the 130,000 reservists Mr. Putin ordered to report last week, although it would also give Kyiv time to secure more arms and training from the U.S. and its Western allies.

A breather couldn’t come at a better time for Moscow.

Even as Mr. Putin formally announced the annexation of the Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Luhansk provinces, his forces lost more ground in those territories over the past several days. Ukrainians moved closer Wednesday to the strategically vital city of Kherson in the country’s southeast. At least seven outlying villages in Kherson province have been recaptured, local officials said, putting Ukrainian forces just 60 miles from Kherson city.

Ukrainian forces reportedly pushed the Russians out of the city of Snihurivka, north of Kherson. Ukrainian military offi cials also said they had retaken several key villages in the Donetsk province, underscoring how the counteroffensive has broken through Russian lines on multiple fronts in a matter of weeks.

Foreign intelligence analysts say the gains have given Ukraine an ability to hit Russian supply lines, which will be especially vital in the winter.

“Ukrainian formations have advanced up to [12 miles] beyond the [Oskil] River into Russia’s defensive zone towards the supply node of the town of Svatove,” the British Ministry of Defense said Wednesday in a Twitter post. “It is highly likely that Ukraine can now strike the key Svatove-Kremina road with most of its artillery systems, further straining Russia’s ability to resupply its units in the east.”

Those developments seem to have had little impact on Mr. Putin, who pressed ahead with the claimed annexation of Ukrainian territory. In a video call with Russian teachers, the Russian leader said Moscow will treat all Ukrainians with respect, but he added a warning that his troops will “brush off” everything that keeps them from achieving their goals.

“We have 3 million Russian citizens of Ukrainian origin. We do not make any distinctions and are not going to make any distinctions between Russians and Ukrainians, but, while proceeding along our own constructive way, without any doubt, we will brush off everything that prevents us from moving forward,” he said, according to the state-run Tass news agency.

Mr. Putin also signed a decree claiming Russian control over Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia power plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe. Russian troops have been in control of the plant since the early days of the war, but Mr. Putin’s claim will be rejected by Kyiv, the U.S. and its allies
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #912 on: October 06, 2022, 06:55:44 AM »
"It has apologized for mobilization errors and keeps expanding a list of waivers from service. This is clearly designed to placate the middle class, albeit at the expense of rural and ethnic-minority populations."

reminds me of the Lincoln 1863 army draft
 pay $300 to get someone else to go the killing fields

or Vietnam
  when students I think were exempt
  check out # 4 (today they would be first to be taken   :wink:):

https://www.wearethemighty.com/lists/vietnam-draft-dodger/#:~:text=Be%20a%20Conscientious%20Objector,conscientious%20objection%20would%20be%20illegal.

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WSJ: Ukraine appeals for longer range missiles presents deep questions
« Reply #913 on: October 06, 2022, 01:30:53 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-appeal-for-longer-range-missiles-presents-fresh-test-of-biden-administration-support-11665083684?mod=hp_lead_pos5

WASHINGTON—Flush with recent battlefield successes, Ukrainian officials are pressing their case for acquiring longer-range missiles to strike deeper into Russian-held territory, including Crimea, raising questions about how aggressively the Biden administration will support Kyiv’s war aims.

U.S. officials have urged Ukraine to focus on its battles in the eastern and southern part of the country, particularly around Kharkiv and Kherson, where it has made its largest gains since Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion. Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials are reviving their pleas for more weaponry, including advanced systems like the U.S. Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, congressional and U.S. officials said.

Those long-range missiles are wanted, in part, to strike into Crimea, which Russia is using as a base to launch Iranian-made drones, congressional and Ukrainian officials said. President Biden has so far declined to provide Ukraine with the ATACMS, which would be capable of reaching deep into Russian territory.

The recent Ukrainian military offensive has pushed Russian troops from the Kharkiv region and reached deep into the northern part of the Donetsk region. Those gains may embolden Kyiv to try to press into Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014.

The administration’s reluctance to provide these long-range missiles reflects a deeper dispute, in part, over how to support Ukraine without risking a broader conflict with Russia, whose leaders have been hinting they may resort to nuclear weapons.

“The reason we are not giving them these weapons is disagreement over striking targets in Crimea,” a congressional official said.


President Biden has so far declined to provide Ukraine with the U.S. Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS.
PHOTO: WHITE SANDS MISSILE RANGE PUBLIC AFFAIRS

Ukraine’s defense attaché in Washington, Maj. Gen. Borys Kremenetskyi, said Thursday that Russia was mainly using the Iranian-provided drones to attack civilian infrastructure. He added that Ukraine was using air defense systems to blunt the threat but was also looking to attack the sites from which the drones are being flown and controlled.

The Russian Embassy didn’t respond immediately to a request for comment.

While Himars, a U.S. mobile rocket launcher already provided to Kyiv, is an effective system for this purpose, he added that Ukraine wants to acquire longer-range systems that could be fired from the Himars launcher. He didn’t mention the ATACMS missile by name and declined to discuss targets in Crimea.

“We are looking for long-range missiles for Himars,” he told a webinar hosted by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. “We need to hit some targets on the occupied Ukrainian territory. ”

The Biden administration recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine, and has vowed to support Kyiv’s efforts to restore all of its original territory. In August, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed that Ukraine would take back Crimea “by ourselves, without consultation with any other country in the world.”

U.S. officials argue longer-range missiles aren’t necessary for Ukraine’s current fight, and believe Moscow would see it as an escalation at a time when senior Russian leaders have raised the specter of using the country’s nuclear arsenal.

“We are not going to send to Ukraine rocket systems that can strike into Russia,” Mr. Biden said in May.

The Russian Foreign Ministry warned last month that if Washington supplied Kyiv with longer-range missiles it would cross a “red line” and become “a party to the conflict.” With other U.S.-provided weapons, Mr. Zelensky’s government appears to have abided by U.S. insistence that it not use American arms to strike Russia itself.

The U.S. is also increasingly mindful of its own inventories of weaponry, after pumping almost $17 billion in arms to Ukraine in the past eight months.

Lockheed Martin is currently making about 400 ATACMS a year and could expand production to 500, according to people familiar with production of the missiles. Most of the missiles are being produced for foreign military sales. Taiwan, for example, is set to receive dozens of ATACMS.

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Walter Russel Mead: The Question on Putin's Mind
« Reply #914 on: October 06, 2022, 01:43:55 PM »


The Question on Putin’s Mind: Would We Risk New York to Keep Odessa Free?
Biden’s efforts to deter him have so far had little success. Now the world’s future may hinge on them.
By Walter Russell Mead
Oct. 6, 2022 12:02 pm ET



‘A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought,” President Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a joint statement after their summit in June 2021. But Mr. Putin doesn’t always tell the truth.

The reality is that as Mr. Putin’s failing military skedaddles east across occupied Ukraine, nuclear weapons look more attractive. That is not so much because a tactical nuclear strike would be effective against widely scattered Ukrainian forces in the field. It is more that Mr. Putin hopes the political shock waves set off by nuclear explosions in Europe would shatter the West’s resolve to support Ukraine. Is Germany willing to lose Berlin to save Kyiv? Are Americans ready to risk New York to keep Odessa free? These are the questions Mr. Putin is asking himself.


The future of the world may depend on his answers. Meanwhile, the Biden administration faces a terrible dilemma. To yield to Mr. Putin’s nuclear blackmail would be a cowardly act of appeasement from which Neville Chamberlain would recoil—and which would open the door to more nuclear blackmail. Yet to lead the Western alliance into an open-ended nuclear confrontation with Russia is to risk the most catastrophic of wars.

To avoid these unacceptable alternatives, the Biden administration must deter Mr. Putin from using nuclear weapons in the Ukraine conflict even as it continues to support Ukraine in its battle to drive the invaders back.

Deterrence is more complicated than it looks, and the Biden administration’s efforts to deter Russia have had little success. In February, Mr. Putin blew past the Biden administration’s barrage of threats and diplomacy to launch the war in Ukraine.

Not deterring Russian aggression was one of the costliest failures in recent American foreign policy. But it isn’t clear that the Biden administration understands what went wrong—and how similar mistakes might be undercutting its diplomatic efforts today.

Unintentionally and unwittingly, the administration sent Russia mixed messages last winter. On the one hand, a dramatic burst of diplomacy worked to coordinate a broad Western response to the potential invasion, with Europeans joining Americans in threatening severe sanctions. Biden officials broke with precedent to declassify and publicize highly sensitive information about Mr. Putin’s plans in ways that dramatically undercut Russia’s official statements and propaganda. That intelligence helped build Western unity in the face of the Russian attack, and Biden officials are right to take credit for this unorthodox but effective campaign.

At the same time, however, senior American policy makers seriously overestimated Russia’s military strength and acumen. As storm clouds gathered over Kyiv, U.S. officials ordered all senior American diplomats to evacuate. They also urged allies to evacuate and offered Volodymyr Zelensky an airplane to flee.

This was hardly a message of deterrence. As the Russian leader finalized his preparations, the evident American belief in the invasion’s success would, if anything, have eased any doubts Mr. Putin might have felt. Further, since the Biden administration had reassured the Russians that American combat troops would not engage in any Ukrainian war, Mr. Putin did not need to worry about a powerful, immediate American military response.


We will have to do better this time if we expect to deter him from using nuclear weapons. Mr. Putin already knows that fear of a Russian nuclear response has affected American and allied policy. We have limited Ukraine’s access to long-range missile systems that could hit Russian territory. Other North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies, including Germany, have made similar calculations.

From Mr. Putin’s point of view, in a war in which almost everything is going wrong, nuclear blackmail is working. Why wouldn’t he double down on the one tactic that works?

The only way to deter any possible use of nuclear weapons is to make Mr. Putin believe that the consequences of such use will be ruinous for Russia as a state and for him as its ruler, and that the West won’t flinch when the time for action comes.


To make his threats credible, Mr. Biden needs, first, to make up his mind that he is prepared to stay the course. “The double-minded man is unstable in all his ways,” the Bible tells us. Facing down Mr. Putin in a nuclear standoff is not a course for a man who lacks conviction.

If Mr. Biden is sure of himself, he must build an ironclad coalition at home and abroad behind those threats. Rather than playing down the danger, he needs to dramatize it. Making a prime-time speech to the country, addressing a joint session of Congress, holding an emergency NATO summit—these can all demonstrate Mr. Biden’s commitment to respond with overwhelming force to Russian nuclear attacks.

While Americans won’t unanimously support this policy, most responsible people in both parties recognize Mr. Putin’s Russia as a threat to American security and world peace. A broad show of national unity on this issue will send a sobering message to Moscow.

Deterring Russia doesn’t mean humiliating it. As President Kennedy understood, deterrence complements diplomacy. The more effective our deterrence, the more flexible our diplomacy can become. Deterrence however comes first. Mr. Biden must bar the door to using nuclear weapons before he can seek a path to peace.

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WSJ: Ukes seizing Russki arms
« Reply #915 on: October 06, 2022, 01:56:37 PM »
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KUPYANSK, Ukraine—Captured and abandoned Russian tanks, howitzers and fighting vehicles—quickly scrubbed of their Z tactical markers and repainted with Ukrainian crosses—are being turned against their former owners as Ukraine’s military advances in the eastern part of the country.

Ukraine’s rapid breakthrough in the Kharkiv region a month ago ended up putting hundreds of pieces of Russian armor into Kyiv’s hands, military officials say, as the Russian army left behind its heavy weapons and warehouses of supplies in a disorganized retreat.

Some Russian pieces of equipment were ready for immediate use, while others are being repaired to return to the front. Tanks, vehicles and guns too damaged to salvage are being cannibalized for spare parts. Crucially, Russia has also left behind large quantities of Soviet-standard artillery shells that had nearly run out in Ukraine.

This haul is helping power Ukrainian forces as they retake parts of the eastern Donetsk region, including the town of Lyman, and push further east into nearby Luhansk. Kyiv has regained more than 4,000 square miles of land in the east over the past month, in addition to advances in the south.

One Ukrainian battalion, the Carpathian Sich, seized 10 modern T-80 tanks and five 2S5 Giatsint 152-mm self-propelled howitzers after it entered the town of Izyum last month, said its deputy chief of staff, Ruslan Andriyko.

“We’ve got so many trophies that we don’t even know what to do with them,” he said. “We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.”

Seizing the Opportunity

Ukraine has captured huge amounts of Russian heavy weapons.

Supplied to Ukraine

Captured from Russia

Tanks

320

421

Infantry

fighting

vehicles

210

445

Armored

fighting

vehicles

40

192

Multiple

rocket

launchers

70

44

The BMP-2, an infantry fighting vehicle, is the most captured weapon by Ukraine. 167 units of the BMP-2(K), 2 of the BMP-2M and 1 of the BMP-2 675-sb3KDZ variants have been captured.

Max speed:

Max firing range:

Weight:

In service:

Origin:

40.4 mph

2.5 miles

15.8 tons

1980

Soviet Union

Crew number

•One 30mm 2A42 cannon

•One coaxial machine gun PKT 7.62mm

•One launcher for AT-5 ‘Spandrel’

or AT-4 ‘Spigot’ ATGW

8 ft.

10.3 ft.

22.1 ft.

Sources: Oryx (weapons supplied and captured); Army Recognition (BMP-2)
Jemal R. Brinson/THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The chief of staff of a Ukrainian artillery battalion on the Kharkiv front said his unit now operates four recently captured Russian 2S19 Msta 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, alongside American-made guns, and now has abundant Soviet-caliber ammunition.

“The Russians no longer have a firepower advantage. We smashed up all their artillery units before launching the offensive, and then we started to move ahead so fast that they didn’t even have time to fuel up and load their tanks,” said the officer. “They just fled and left everything behind.”

Combined with weapons taken during Russia’s retreat from Kyiv and other parts of northern Ukraine in April, these recent gains have turned Moscow into by far the largest supplier of heavy weapons for Ukraine, well ahead of the U.S. or other allies in sheer numbers, according to open-source intelligence analysts. Western-provided weapons, though, are usually more advanced and precise.


Ukraine has captured 460 Russian main battle tanks, 92 self-propelled howitzers, 448 infantry fighting vehicles, 195 armored fighting vehicles and 44 multiple-launch rocket systems, according to visual evidence compiled from social media and news reports from Oryx, an open-source intelligence consulting firm. The real number is likely higher as not every captured piece of equipment gets filmed.

Not all the gear is cutting edge. “What they are capturing is a mix of modern equipment that they can use quite effectively, and some that really belongs in museums,” said Jakub Janovsky, who compiles the count of weapons losses at Oryx.


An officer of one Ukrainian battalion, Ruslan Andriyko, stood atop a captured Russian infantry vehicle in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Wednesday.

Russia has also seized Ukrainian weapons, mostly in the early days of the war as it overran large parts of the country. According to Oryx’s count, Russia captured 109 Ukrainian tanks, 15 self-propelled guns and 63 infantry fighting vehicles since February.

At Izyum, Ukraine gained more advanced Russian armor, such as T-90 tanks and BTR-82 infantry fighting vehicles with automatic cannon. The commander of Ukraine’s 92nd brigade, which played a major role on the Kharkiv front, was filmed this week taking a ride in a T-90, which wasn’t part of the Ukrainian arsenal before the war.

Western allies haven’t sent Western-made tanks to Ukraine. But Kyiv has received around 230 upgraded T-72 tanks from Poland and a few dozen more from the Czech Republic. American and European aid focused on providing Ukraine with North Atlantic Treaty Organization-standard precision artillery, such as the U.S.-made M777 and Paladin, German Panzerhaubitze 2000 and Polish Krab howitzers, as well as the Himars missile systems. These weapons allowed Kyiv to hold the line once it started to run out of Soviet-caliber artillery shells in May.

Ukraine’s experience learning how to operate different weapons systems in a relatively short time has made it easier to repurpose the recently acquired Russian weapons, said Col. Serhiy Cherevatyi of Ukraine’s Operational Command East.



A Ukrainian soldier showed a bag full of captured Russian hand grenades to his commander next to a trophy Russian Army car in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Wednesday.

A Ukrainian soldier on Wednesday displayed bayonets taken from Russian soldiers in the Donetsk region.
“They are of the Soviet construction school that is easy to understand for us,” he said. “If our people have managed to learn how to use the Panzerhaubitze, the Krabs and the American Paladins, it’s not at all a problem to master the Russian systems that are similar to ours.”

While Ukrainian units often keep smaller captured weapons and ammunition, big-ticket items such as tanks and artillery are usually redistributed through the military’s logistics command, said Oleksiy Danilov, head of the country’s National Security and Defense Council. “But, even then, they usually stay in the same area, which is only fair,” he added.

Carpathian Sich, for example, transferred to other parts of the military captured howitzers and kept tanks for which it could find crews. The battalion commander said these tanks have now been formally allocated to the unit and are regularly supplied by the military’s logistics with ammunition and fuel, and serviced by visiting crews from Ukrainian tank plants. Ukraine was a major tank manufacturer and exporter before the war.

“Gaining the trophies gives us a sense of pride and raises everyone’s combat spirits,” said the commander, who used a captured Russian assault rifle in a recent battle during which the battalion seized a village in the Donetsk region.


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« Reply #916 on: October 06, 2022, 08:38:15 PM »
After discussion of Korea, he turns to Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvNfHJcJeKg

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« Reply #918 on: October 07, 2022, 12:19:55 AM »
Compare the below with what we left the Taliban.


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KUPYANSK, Ukraine—Captured and abandoned Russian tanks, howitzers and fighting vehicles—quickly scrubbed of their Z tactical markers and repainted with Ukrainian crosses—are being turned against their former owners as Ukraine’s military advances in the eastern part of the country.

Ukraine’s rapid breakthrough in the Kharkiv region a month ago ended up putting hundreds of pieces of Russian armor into Kyiv’s hands, military officials say, as the Russian army left behind its heavy weapons and warehouses of supplies in a disorganized retreat.

Some Russian pieces of equipment were ready for immediate use, while others are being repaired to return to the front. Tanks, vehicles and guns too damaged to salvage are being cannibalized for spare parts. Crucially, Russia has also left behind large quantities of Soviet-standard artillery shells that had nearly run out in Ukraine.

This haul is helping power Ukrainian forces as they retake parts of the eastern Donetsk region, including the town of Lyman, and push further east into nearby Luhansk. Kyiv has regained more than 4,000 square miles of land in the east over the past month, in addition to advances in the south.

One Ukrainian battalion, the Carpathian Sich, seized 10 modern T-80 tanks and five 2S5 Giatsint 152-mm self-propelled howitzers after it entered the town of Izyum last month, said its deputy chief of staff, Ruslan Andriyko.

“We’ve got so many trophies that we don’t even know what to do with them,” he said. “We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.”

Seizing the Opportunity

Ukraine has captured huge amounts of Russian heavy weapons.

Supplied to Ukraine

Captured from Russia

Tanks

320

421

Infantry

fighting

vehicles

210

445

Armored

fighting

vehicles

40

192

Multiple

rocket

launchers

70

44

The BMP-2, an infantry fighting vehicle, is the most captured weapon by Ukraine. 167 units of the BMP-2(K), 2 of the BMP-2M and 1 of the BMP-2 675-sb3KDZ variants have been captured.

Max speed:

Max firing range:

Weight:

In service:

Origin:

40.4 mph

2.5 miles

15.8 tons

1980

Soviet Union

Crew number

•One 30mm 2A42 cannon

•One coaxial machine gun PKT 7.62mm

•One launcher for AT-5 ‘Spandrel’

or AT-4 ‘Spigot’ ATGW

8 ft.

10.3 ft.

22.1 ft.

Sources: Oryx (weapons supplied and captured); Army Recognition (BMP-2)
Jemal R. Brinson/THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The chief of staff of a Ukrainian artillery battalion on the Kharkiv front said his unit now operates four recently captured Russian 2S19 Msta 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, alongside American-made guns, and now has abundant Soviet-caliber ammunition.

“The Russians no longer have a firepower advantage. We smashed up all their artillery units before launching the offensive, and then we started to move ahead so fast that they didn’t even have time to fuel up and load their tanks,” said the officer. “They just fled and left everything behind.”

Combined with weapons taken during Russia’s retreat from Kyiv and other parts of northern Ukraine in April, these recent gains have turned Moscow into by far the largest supplier of heavy weapons for Ukraine, well ahead of the U.S. or other allies in sheer numbers, according to open-source intelligence analysts. Western-provided weapons, though, are usually more advanced and precise.


Ukraine has captured 460 Russian main battle tanks, 92 self-propelled howitzers, 448 infantry fighting vehicles, 195 armored fighting vehicles and 44 multiple-launch rocket systems, according to visual evidence compiled from social media and news reports from Oryx, an open-source intelligence consulting firm. The real number is likely higher as not every captured piece of equipment gets filmed.

Not all the gear is cutting edge. “What they are capturing is a mix of modern equipment that they can use quite effectively, and some that really belongs in museums,” said Jakub Janovsky, who compiles the count of weapons losses at Oryx.


An officer of one Ukrainian battalion, Ruslan Andriyko, stood atop a captured Russian infantry vehicle in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Wednesday.

Russia has also seized Ukrainian weapons, mostly in the early days of the war as it overran large parts of the country. According to Oryx’s count, Russia captured 109 Ukrainian tanks, 15 self-propelled guns and 63 infantry fighting vehicles since February.

At Izyum, Ukraine gained more advanced Russian armor, such as T-90 tanks and BTR-82 infantry fighting vehicles with automatic cannon. The commander of Ukraine’s 92nd brigade, which played a major role on the Kharkiv front, was filmed this week taking a ride in a T-90, which wasn’t part of the Ukrainian arsenal before the war.

Western allies haven’t sent Western-made tanks to Ukraine. But Kyiv has received around 230 upgraded T-72 tanks from Poland and a few dozen more from the Czech Republic. American and European aid focused on providing Ukraine with North Atlantic Treaty Organization-standard precision artillery, such as the U.S.-made M777 and Paladin, German Panzerhaubitze 2000 and Polish Krab howitzers, as well as the Himars missile systems. These weapons allowed Kyiv to hold the line once it started to run out of Soviet-caliber artillery shells in May.

Ukraine’s experience learning how to operate different weapons systems in a relatively short time has made it easier to repurpose the recently acquired Russian weapons, said Col. Serhiy Cherevatyi of Ukraine’s Operational Command East.



A Ukrainian soldier showed a bag full of captured Russian hand grenades to his commander next to a trophy Russian Army car in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Wednesday.

A Ukrainian soldier on Wednesday displayed bayonets taken from Russian soldiers in the Donetsk region.
“They are of the Soviet construction school that is easy to understand for us,” he said. “If our people have managed to learn how to use the Panzerhaubitze, the Krabs and the American Paladins, it’s not at all a problem to master the Russian systems that are similar to ours.”

While Ukrainian units often keep smaller captured weapons and ammunition, big-ticket items such as tanks and artillery are usually redistributed through the military’s logistics command, said Oleksiy Danilov, head of the country’s National Security and Defense Council. “But, even then, they usually stay in the same area, which is only fair,” he added.

Carpathian Sich, for example, transferred to other parts of the military captured howitzers and kept tanks for which it could find crews. The battalion commander said these tanks have now been formally allocated to the unit and are regularly supplied by the military’s logistics with ammunition and fuel, and serviced by visiting crews from Ukrainian tank plants. Ukraine was a major tank manufacturer and exporter before the war.

“Gaining the trophies gives us a sense of pride and raises everyone’s combat spirits,” said the commander, who used a captured Russian assault rifle in a recent battle during which the battalion seized a village in the Donetsk region.

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pharmaceutical industry is part of the military industry complex
« Reply #919 on: October 07, 2022, 05:28:41 AM »
https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/us-buys-290m-in-anti-radiation-drugs-amid-nuke-fears/

it is NOT an "anti radiation" drug

I believes it is used to stimulate platelet production to reduce bleeding

not clear to me if it would even work after radiation exposure



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« Reply #920 on: October 07, 2022, 10:52:23 AM »
"Zelensky has done too much coke"

Great subject line!

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Re: pharmaceutical industry is part of the military industry complex
« Reply #921 on: October 07, 2022, 05:03:07 PM »
https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/us-buys-290m-in-anti-radiation-drugs-amid-nuke-fears/

it is NOT an "anti radiation" drug

I believes it is used to stimulate platelet production to reduce bleeding

not clear to me if it would even work after radiation exposure
Radiation kills the platelets..this will stimulate platelet production.

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« Reply #922 on: October 07, 2022, 10:27:50 PM »
https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/us-buys-290m-in-anti-radiation-drugs-amid-nuke-fears/

it is NOT an "anti radiation" drug

I believes it is used to stimulate platelet production to reduce bleeding

not clear to me if it would even work after radiation exposure
Radiation kills the platelets..this will stimulate platelet production.

I'm certainly not expert, but I would be willing to bet that if you are at the "Bleeding out of your ass" stage of radiation exposure, some extra platelets aren't going to be much help at that point.

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Explosion damages sole bridge linking Crimea to Russia
« Reply #923 on: October 08, 2022, 07:01:22 AM »

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Remember what you are fighting for!
« Reply #924 on: October 08, 2022, 08:03:15 AM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #926 on: October 08, 2022, 10:14:11 AM »

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« Reply #927 on: October 08, 2022, 11:14:22 AM »
Do you happen to know which post it is?

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Re: Walter Russel Mead: The Question on Putin's Mind
« Reply #928 on: October 08, 2022, 12:08:47 PM »
From Crafty's post:
"The only way to deter any possible use of nuclear weapons is to make Mr. Putin believe that the consequences of such use will be ruinous for Russia as a state and for him as its ruler, and that the West won’t flinch when the time for action comes."

!!!

In other words, the opposite of the feeling our current President gives.  Half of Biden's messages are 'corrected' by "The White House", whoever that is.
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Re: Walter Russel Mead: The Question on Putin's Mind
« Reply #929 on: October 08, 2022, 01:10:13 PM »

Let’s risk thermonuclear war to ensure Hunter’s Burisma checks are forever secure!

From Crafty's post:
"The only way to deter any possible use of nuclear weapons is to make Mr. Putin believe that the consequences of such use will be ruinous for Russia as a state and for him as its ruler, and that the West won’t flinch when the time for action comes."

!!!

In other words, the opposite of the feeling our current President gives.  Half of Biden's messages are 'corrected' by "The White House", whoever that is.

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« Reply #930 on: October 08, 2022, 01:37:40 PM »
At this point neither side is willing to lose.  Neither side believes off-ramp is possible.

Putin killed or overthrown might be an off ramp, but the Cabal That Rules Biden (CTRB? haha) has declared regime change, permanent diminishment of Russia is the goal. Which Russian(s) would act in a way that might create that?  And which Russians would want to go all the way?


Putin killed or overthrown might be an off ramp, but the CTRB has declared regime change, permanent diminishment of Russia is the goal.  In the aftermath of Afghanistan, what are the implications of accepting less now?


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« Reply #931 on: October 08, 2022, 01:42:29 PM »
Some people think Putin is the moderate, if he is taken out,  a hawk could replace him. I am puzzled why Russia is not doing much (looks like the Ukis are advancing everywhere). Something is afoot. A small tactical nuke always remains a possibility.

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« Reply #932 on: October 08, 2022, 02:16:45 PM »
"I am puzzled why Russia is not doing much"

Because short of nuclear and/or general WW, they are losing.

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« Reply #933 on: October 08, 2022, 04:43:51 PM »
At this point neither side is willing to lose.  Neither side believes off-ramp is possible.

Putin killed or overthrown might be an off ramp, but the Cabal That Rules Biden (CTRB? haha) has declared regime change, permanent diminishment of Russia is the goal. Which Russian(s) would act in a way that might create that?  And which Russians would want to go all the way?


Putin killed or overthrown might be an off ramp, but the CTRB has declared regime change, permanent diminishment of Russia is the goal.  In the aftermath of Afghanistan, what are the implications of accepting less now?

This isn’t whack-a-mole with hadji or remove a 3rd world tinpot dictator. This is putting the future of humanity at risk so their Eastern European crimes can be hidden.

Russia can wipe us off the map.

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« Reply #934 on: October 08, 2022, 04:49:14 PM »
Read my words carefully and you will see I am saying nothing contrary.

Will the Russian generals allow Putin into the nuclear void?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzQFCjDPS0

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« Reply #937 on: October 08, 2022, 05:53:11 PM »

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« Reply #938 on: October 09, 2022, 08:42:26 AM »

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« Reply #939 on: October 09, 2022, 09:32:21 AM »
With the appointment of Surovikin as the General for the Ukr war, I expect some Russian victories, Surovikin is known to be brutal, gets things done and is not very particular about following Queensberry rules.
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« Reply #940 on: October 10, 2022, 07:19:57 AM »
With the appointment of Surovikin as the General for the Ukr war, I expect some Russian victories, Surovikin is known to be brutal, gets things done and is not very particular about following Queensberry rules.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-scale-strikes-many-cities-across-ukraine-response-terrorist-crimea-bridge-blast


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« Reply #942 on: October 10, 2022, 11:29:56 AM »
Daily Memo: Ukraine Update
Moscow has launched strikes in Ukraine in response to the explosion on the Crimean bridge.
By: Geopolitical Futures
Russian retaliation. Russia’s Ministry of Defense announced a massive strike on targets related to Ukraine’s military command, communications and energy infrastructure following the strike on the Kerch Bridge over the weekend, which Russian President Vladimir Putin called a terrorist attack. As a result of the Russian strikes, five regions in Ukraine – Lviv, Poltava, Sumy, Kharkiv and Ternopil – are without power.

Belarus deployment. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to deploy troops “in connection with the aggravation on the western borders of the Union State” – a platform used for integration of the two countries. Lukashenko said Belarus was ready to receive and deploy “more than 1,000” Russian military personnel and repeated his claim that Ukraine plans to strike Belarusian territory. Minsk hasn’t directly participated in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but remains an important buffer state on Russia’s western border where Moscow has strengthened its presence.

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Everything Biden does or says exudes weakness, that's why he overcompensates with talk of Armageddon.  Weakness is not how you drive Putin to the bargaining table.

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« Reply #944 on: October 10, 2022, 12:07:28 PM »
I would articulate it as wanting attention.

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A pro Ukraine take on the war
« Reply #947 on: October 11, 2022, 12:12:17 PM »
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/11/ukraines-victory-almost-a-done-deal-military-expert-on-how-invasion-imploded/

My first time ever posting 'Salon'.

Please disregard if you already know better.    :wink:

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« Reply #948 on: October 11, 2022, 08:21:07 PM »
Interesting analysis by Col (was a Trump appointee)

https://youtu.be/1u519OI7pPM

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« Reply #949 on: October 12, 2022, 04:22:43 AM »
Interesting analysis by Col (was a Trump appointee)

https://youtu.be/1u519OI7pPM

Yes, interesting. I wondered how consequential the latest Russian attacks were.  I saw them as obligatory retaliation, but he sees it as a turning in the Russian

Strange how one report is all civilian targets and then we hear it is all military and infrastructure, almost no civilians hit. 
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