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Death toll > 900
« Reply #501 on: March 21, 2022, 06:29:44 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/20/1087781833/ukraine-deaths-casualties

but when we watch the news one would think it tens of thousands..........

they also only image us on buildings destroyed making one think entire cities are reduced to rubble

it needs context to get a better picture of the extant

typical of the media we don't see it all in context .


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Re: Death toll > 900
« Reply #502 on: March 21, 2022, 07:00:13 AM »
If Putin wanted to pound Ukraine flat, he could have done it in less than 72 hours. He isn’t looking to destroy the country or inflict mass casualties, obviously.


https://www.npr.org/2022/03/20/1087781833/ukraine-deaths-casualties

but when we watch the news one would think it tens of thousands..........

they also only image us on buildings destroyed making one think entire cities are reduced to rubble

it needs context to get a better picture of the extant

typical of the media we don't see it all in context .

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Petraeus on current battlefield
« Reply #503 on: March 21, 2022, 08:26:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt2L14RcWP0

05:20 on taking out the five Russki generals
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I'm being called part of the "Putin wing" of the Republican party
« Reply #506 on: March 21, 2022, 05:49:54 PM »
on the way home tonight
by Mark Levin on his show tonight

he called me a "Putinoid"

just because I don't think it wise to keep upping the ante for Ukraine

for Taiwan yes
for Ukraine no

First time I listened to him for the past 12 yrs or more I truly felt insulted
He invokes memory of holocaust and WW2
states Jews do understand this - funny he left out the fact Israel has to my knowledge NOT condemned Putin

sometimes it is smarter to stand back
in my view






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Re: Article attacking Zelensky's creds on democracy
« Reply #507 on: March 21, 2022, 06:04:35 PM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/zelenskys_record_on_democracy_is_looking_very_dubious.html?fbclid=IwAR2FyBY0if3jvo4VnLjQswJjEdx-J9VbiQT7HXk_6OWdYkKlvR70oqzTlCk

From the article:  "They reiterate that the U.S. is duty-bound to defend Ukraine because Ukraine is a democracy, while Russia is a totalitarian state."

   - A tad of straw or overreach there IMHO.  I think the argument is that Ukraine is (an imperfect) sovereign state and Russia is an invading force.

"The media are attempting to make the case for war, painting Zelensky and the Ukrainian regime as spotless white and Putin and Russia as pure black."

   - Again straw, who calls Zelensky "spotless"?  Even if you accept those labels (black and white)and that Zelensky is overstepping his power (in a time of war), they are right on the Putin side.  He is pure evil and needs to be stopped - by someone, IMHO.

If not Zelensky, who do they propose lead the fight to keep Ukraine independent and sovereign?  No one?

Another country with a not so spotless record of not so spotless leaders is - look in the mirror...

I still don't get the connection of finding flaws in Ukraine to letting the Putin evil empire of Putin expand one inch in our time; they already have 11 time zones and 17 million square kilometers of control spread over two key continents.

The central question is not asked or answered.  Under which outcome would the people of Ukraine have a better shot at achieving freedom, consensual government and less corruption, under Zelensky and those who follow him via Ukrainian elections, or under Putin's permanent tyranny?  I would take the former.  Even if it's flawed.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #508 on: March 21, 2022, 08:15:09 PM »
Agree.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #509 on: March 22, 2022, 12:22:17 AM »
"He is pure evil and needs to be stopped - by someone, IMHO."

Pure evil? Let's be real. Did he shower with his young daughter? What was Russia's connection to Jeffery Epstein? Oh, that was the US Intel community and Israel's OP, not his.

Funny all the outrage being ginned up over the invasion of the top 3rd child exploitation material producing country in the world that just happens to have so many lucrative no-show jobs for the children of the DC Uniparty elites.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/101/754/173/original/4561f694b920737f.jpg



Quick, send them MORE MONEY!


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #511 on: March 22, 2022, 03:12:48 AM »
Regarding the photo in Reply 509:

For those of us who don't read Arabic, who took the photo?

I'm not saying that the point being made is implausible, but as we all know a lot of lying propaganda is flying around.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #513 on: March 22, 2022, 09:41:43 AM »
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-smuggle-diplomats/ukraine-diplomats-arrested-trying-to-smuggle-gold-cigarettes-into-poland-idUSKCN2AT2L1

Regarding the photo in Reply 509:

For those of us who don't read Arabic, who took the photo?

I'm not saying that the point being made is implausible, but as we all know a lot of lying propaganda is flying around.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #515 on: March 22, 2022, 09:49:53 AM »
@ $1,900 per oz
this comes to $175,560,000
that's nearly as much as Nancy Pelosi......

more than Hunter Biden though.......




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Ukrainian women get to enjoy the diversity of western europe
« Reply #519 on: March 22, 2022, 02:56:00 PM »
https://summit.news/2022/03/22/female-ukrainian-refugees-encounter-swedish-diversity/

So intolerant! Gang-rape is just how our islamic friends like to say "Howdy! Welcome to the neighborhood!".




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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #522 on: March 23, 2022, 03:49:01 AM »
Well, to be precise, if one is going to flee a country taking one's money along is rather plausible idea.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #523 on: March 23, 2022, 06:50:28 PM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #524 on: March 24, 2022, 02:54:43 AM »
Love Tucker, and still do, but very much disagree with what he said last night-- that Biden should pick up the phone and tell Zelensky to cut a deal.

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Ukraine Can Win With Enough Help
Biden and NATO are still too cautious in opposing Putin’s war.
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March 23, 2022 7:04 pm ET


The public message out of Thursday’s meeting of NATO leaders in Brussels is sure to be heavy on unity and resolve in support of Ukraine. But the unfortunate reality is that the democratic alliance confronting Vladimir Putin still isn’t doing enough to ensure the Russian’s defeat. And behind the scenes, some leaders would prefer if Volodymyr Zelensky agreed to a peace settlement sooner rather than later.


The stunning fact of this war is that the Ukrainians have rescued Europe and the U.S. as much as NATO is assisting Ukraine. Kyiv’s stalwart resistance, at great human cost, has given the West a chance to stop the advance of Russian imperialism before it imperils NATO. The war has exposed the Russian military as weaker than our intelligence services and the Pentagon thought. Against all expectations, Ukraine may be winning.

Most surprising, the Ukrainian resistance has renewed a sense among the people of the West that their countries stand for something more than welfare-state ease and individual indulgence. Ukrainians are showing that freedom has a price, often a fearsome one.

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Yet Western leaders still seem worried of what would happen if Ukraine won. That’s especially true in the Biden Administration, which has taken many good steps—but typically under pressure from Congress or Europe, and typically late. President Biden is rightly outraged by Mr. Putin’s brutality, and he calls him a war criminal, but he still seems afraid of doing what it takes to defeat him.


At the White House on Tuesday, national security adviser Jake Sullivan was asked twice if he and the President thought Ukraine could win. The best he could offer was the assurance that Russia is “never going to be able to subjugate the Ukrainian people” and a boilerplate commitment to Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This cautious commitment extends to the slow pace of weapons delivery. Slovakia has offered its S-300 missile-defense system, which Ukraine says it needs, but it isn’t clear when it will be delivered. News leaked on March 16 that the U.S. would finally deliver Switchblade loitering drones to counter an invasion that began on Feb. 24. But on Monday the Pentagon conceded the Switchblades still weren’t on the ground in Ukraine. The U.S. should be emptying and restocking its weapons stockpiles on an emergency basis.

The same goes for assisting Western Europe as it copes with 3.5 million refugees and tries to wean itself from Russian oil and gas. The U.S. can accept many more Ukrainians for temporary protected status.

Europeans now understand the mistake they made on energy and are changing their policies. But Mr. Biden refuses to set aside his climate-change obsessions to address this world-changing crisis. His regulators are still targeting U.S. oil and gas production for slow extinction. He will have little credibility in persuading Germans and Italians to make sacrifices if he won’t help them meet their energy needs now and next winter.

It’s hard to resist the conclusion that Mr. Putin has succeeded in intimidating Mr. Biden and other leaders with his threats of nuclear escalation. This concern may justify the decision not to assist Ukraine with a NATO no-fly zone, which could require U.S. planes to attack Russian radars and missile defenses inside Russian territory.

But it shouldn’t be an excuse for caution in doing everything short of that to help Ukrainians defeat Mr. Putin. If the nuclear threat works to stop NATO support now, the Russian will use it in the future against NATO proper. The essence of deterrence is credibility, which means persuading Mr. Putin that his resort to nuclear weapons in Ukraine will be met with a requisite response. The same goes for chemical or biological weapons.

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Our fear is that Mr. Biden, and perhaps other NATO leaders, will lean on Mr. Zelensky to agree to let Ukraine become one more “frozen conflict” like Georgia. Russia would be able to keep the Ukrainian territory it occupies in return for no more bombing. Mr. Putin would be able to consolidate control over those areas and rearm to threaten Ukraine again in the future. The NATO leaders could put that fear to rest if they said publicly that sanctions against Russia won’t be lifted until its troops leave Ukraine.

We’ve said before that a country goes to war, hot or cold, with the President it has. We want Mr. Biden to lead and succeed in Ukraine. But he needs to lead more decisively—and with a goal not merely of military stalemate but of Ukrainian victory.

    
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #526 on: March 24, 2022, 12:26:38 PM »
Thoughtful piece. I appreciated his respect for other points of view.
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One month into the Ukraine war, a defiant nation is forever changed but adapting
By Isabelle Khurshudyan, Max Bearak, Siobhán O'Grady, Sudarsan Raghavan and Robyn Dixon
Today at 6:00 a.m. EDT


ODESSA, Ukraine — A month has passed since blasts woke Ukrainians at 5:07 a.m. on Feb. 24. The sounds of explosions still scare but don’t surprise. Each day since has brought the wail of air-raid sirens, the screech of breaking glass and numbingly frequent moments of silence for the dead.

A month of war with Russia has forced every fourth Ukrainian out of their home. It has shown that Moscow’s forces fire indiscriminately on civilians in their apartments, businesses, hospitals and schools. It has exposed weaknesses in Vladimir Putin’s military, which seems stunned and disoriented by the month-long fight. And it has focused the world’s attention on the unexpected ferocity and power of ordinary people uniting to defend their homes and nation.

To escape the war above, Ukrainian families have gone underground

Four weeks of explosions, fire and death have devastated Ukrainians and empowered them. Their “new normal” is always knowing where the nearest bomb shelter is while indulging in a cappuccino at a local coffee shop, or a visit to the barber. It’s martial law-imposed sobriety with a ban on alcohol sales. It’s asking the United States and NATO for a no-fly zone that could significantly damage Russia’s ability to attack from the sky — even as allies refuse, citing fears of touching off the world war that Moscow and the West have for so long managed to avoid.


It’s the population’s — and the world’s — growing belief that Ukraine’s military could actually win. It has already kept Russia’s massive and feared armed forces from the easy victory Putin seemed to expect.

“The aggressors planned three weeks ago to be in the capital, to be here because it is the heart of the country,” Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko told journalists on Wednesday, as the now all-too-familiar sound of artillery shelling echoed in the background.

“Everybody is surprised,” he said.


Russia’s forces for weeks have made only marginal gains and even lost ground in some parts of the country, revealing a flawed military strategy. The Kremlin’s plan, according to analysts, assumed a swift decapitation of the government and installation of a puppet regime, apparently based on Moscow’s view of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as likely to flee the same way Afghan President Ashraf Ghani did last summer when the Taliban closed in on Kabul. The logical first step — shock-and-awe attacks to knock out Ukraine’s air defenses, drones and air force — never happened.

Zelensky’s defiant unshaven face in daily video addresses from Kyiv has instead inspired and rallied ordinary Ukrainians. A month ago, Volodymyr Marusiak was an attorney. Now his corporate law office in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv serves as his headquarters as a commander in the Territorial Defense Forces, which is made up of civilian volunteers. Doctors, construction workers, start-up founders — men and women — are now some of his fighters.


“A month ago, I was busy wearing a suit and tie,” he said, sitting in a dim conference room. “Now I command 140 people.”

How Kyiv’s outgunned defenders have kept Russian forces from capturing the capital

Putin, casting himself as a liberator, underestimated the Ukrainian resistance. Viral videos show farmers in tractors towing abandoned Russian military equipment down country lanes. Even in places now under the control of Russian troops, such as the southern port of Kherson, Ukrainians have stared down enemy soldiers while chanting pro-Ukrainian slogans during protests.

Moscow’s military missteps this past month, echoing its errors in Chechnya in December 1994, may foreshadow a similar trajectory: a long, punishing war with massive civilian casualties. The repeated bombardment of some eastern and northern Ukrainian cities has displaced millions of people and destroyed thousands of buildings — apartments, shopping malls and hospitals.


But in other cities, Ukrainians have adjusted to the daily grind of war. Yaroslav Rudakov, 27, reopened his sleek hair salon, Sprut, last week, one of two or three that are now open to customers in the capital. He did it to send a defiant message to the Russians — and to help Ukraine.

“This is my mission,” Rudakov said. “It’s not really big, but it helps. The message it sends is that people here are brave. They know the real history. The Russians want to destroy everything here and show that they are very powerful. … But now we see how it’s going.”



Three hairdressers work from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. and see six or seven customers a day. Rudakov said all the money he earns is sent to a fund to help the Ukrainian armed forces. After each haircut, Rudakov asks customers how much they are willing to pay — full price, 20 percent less or half of the cost. He doesn’t charge the elderly. At least half pay full price, he said.


Those kinds of contributions have become commonplace. Dodo Socks — a popular designer sock brand — is donating all its profits to the Ukrainian military. CEO Marta Turetska said that has totaled more than $50,000 this month already. She said the company is switching a third of its production over to padded socks for soldiers and the rest to new designs with patriotic slogans, Molotov cocktails or symbols of Ukrainian pride, including the Antonov An-225 Mriya, a Soviet-era cargo plane that was the world’s largest aircraft until it was destroyed by Russian bombs.

Dodo’s bright, high-ceilinged studio is one of the many makeshift shelters for Ukraine’s more than 10 million displaced people.


Dodo Socks restarted its production on a smaller scale after the war forced it to close. (Kasia Strek/Panos Pictures for The Washington Post)

CEO Marta Turetska said the company is switching a third of its production over to padded socks for soldiers. (Kasia Strek/Panos Pictures for The Washington Post)

The rest of its output will be devoted to new designs. (Kasia Strek/Panos Pictures for The Washington Post)
The company’s production facility in Ukraine’s eastern Luhansk region, now largely occupied by Russian forces, had to shut down, and the new one on the outskirts of Lviv employs displaced people. But at least half of the employees from the city of Rubizhne, back in Luhansk, haven’t been able to escape.

“We don’t even know if they are alive,” Turetska said. “So what we are doing may be crazy, giving our company totally over to the war effort. But we are devastated. We wish every company in Ukraine would do it.”


The wait to hear news from loved ones in areas besieged by Russian forces has become a daily routine, too. Kirill Lisovoy, 32, is sheltering in Dodo’s studio with his two dogs and his wife. Her family is in Mariupol — the southeastern Ukrainian port city that has been the site of some of the most brutal bombing in this month of war. They haven’t been able to make contact with them in three weeks.

“It is impossible to think about anything else,” Lisovoy said, talking more freely when his wife left to do laundry. “And how not to feel guilty — we are safe, we have a kitchen to use, good people to help us. That is so much more than many, even here in Lviv, have. And then Mariupol, a destroyed city. Maybe everyone we know there is dead — we just don’t know.”

Amid war and brutality, Ukrainians are transformed and united

In Kyiv, repeated attacks on civilian infrastructure over the past month have made residents more defiant. On Sunday, shortly after artillery fire struck an apartment building in Kyiv, firefighters climbed into the charred remains of the building to search for survivors. Outside, two children played on a swing set.


Yuriy Gulevich, 45, whose apartment windows blew out early Wednesday morning when a barrage of rockets struck his neighborhood in Kyiv, said the attack only left him more angry with Russian forces — and more determined that Ukrainians will win. He and his elderly mother sheltered in the hallway and bathroom to avoid injuries.

“I’m angry they’re targeting civilians,” he said while waiting in line to report the damage to a police officer. “This war was created by one person only and millions of people are now suffering.”

Next to him, in a plastic bag on the ground, sat the remains of what the officer said was a rocket that came from a Grad multiple-rocket launcher. The attack Wednesday marked the first time such a system has been deployed in the capital since the war began, several police officers at the scene told The Washington Post.


But at a trendy coffee shop downtown, Artem Khomych, 28, and Sergii Dietkov, 29, sat across from each other playing chess. This was one of their favorite spots from before the war. Even after a month of brutal fighting, it remains so now.

“It’s home,” Dietkov said. “I feel safe here.”

Ian Panitov, 19, was born in Russia but moved to Ukraine when he was 5. On a recent afternoon, he sat outside the same coffee shop writing in his journal.

“I’m sure Kyiv will not be occupied,” he said. “We have a lot of weapons in the city, a lot of Territorial Defense, a lot of army, a lot of people who make Molotov cocktails. And everybody is ready to just choke occupiers with their hands if they do not have weapons.”

The past month has felt like a lifetime — filled with cursing the Russians, asking “why” out loud and mourning all that’s already been lost in such a short time. Life’s new rhythms feel heavy — with sorrow, with responsibility, and with uncertainty.


Andriy Spirin is just 18, but he is the dzvonar — the bellringer — at one of Lviv’s oldest Orthodox churches. His duties used to be simple: ring the church’s century-old bells on Saturday evening, Sunday morning and holidays. At the request of Lviv’s city council, however, every dzvonar must now ring their bells at 6 p.m. each day until the war is over.

For the new evening ritual, Spirin composed his own three-minute melody, a somber tune he has titled “The Bell of Peace.”

“We ring these bells to call upon God,” he said as the winter sun dipped past Lviv’s skyline of cupolas and clocktowers. “If the West won’t close our skies, God will. Only He knows how long I will ring these bells. Only He knows how long it will take for us to be victorious.”

Bearak reported from Lviv, Ukraine. O’Grady and Raghavan reported from Kyiv. Dixon reported from Riga, Latvia. Kostiantyn Tatarchuk in Kyiv contributed to this report.

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George Friedman: Ukraine and the Long War
« Reply #530 on: March 25, 2022, 04:44:08 AM »
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Ukraine and the Long War
Thoughts in and around geopolitics.
By: George Friedman

For as often as it happens, nations typically don’t elect to enter wars if they know they will be long, drawn-out, uncertain and expensive affairs. They enter wars when they think the benefits of winning outweigh the risks, or when they think they have the means to strike decisively enough to bring the war to a quick resolution. Long wars result from consistent and fundamental errors: underestimating the will and ability of an enemy to resist, overestimating one’s own capabilities, going to war for incorrect or insufficient reasons, or underestimating the degree to which a powerful third party might intervene and shift the balance of power.

If a nation survives the first blow, then the probability of a victory increases. This is particularly the case in the long war. The nation initiating the war tends to have committed available force at the beginning, maximizing the possibility of an early victory. The defending power has not yet utilized its domestic forces or those of allies prior to the attack. Therefore, the defender increases its military power much more rapidly than the attacker. The Japanese could not match American manpower or technology over time. The United States underestimated the resilience of the North Vietnamese, even in the face of an intense bombardment of their capital. There are exceptions. The Germans in 1914 failed to take Paris, and in the long war were strangled by the British navy and ground down on the battlefield.

This is not a universal truth, but long wars originate in the attacker's miscalculation, and with some frequency with the attacker moving with the most available force, while the defender, surviving the initial attack, has unused resources to draw upon. It is possible for the long war to grind down the defender's resources and will, but having survived the initial attack, the defender likely has both will and resources to draw on, while the attacker must overcome the fact that it is fighting the enemy’s war, and not the one it planned.

The war in Ukraine is far from over and its outcome is not assured. But it began with a Russian attack that was based on the assumption that Ukrainian resistance would be ineffective, and would melt away once Russia came to town because the Ukrainians were indifferent or hostile to an independent Ukraine. This faulty assumption is evidenced by the relatively casual deployment of Russian armor. It also explains the Russian strategy of both bombing and entering cities. It’s difficult to subdue cities by bombing alone (think London, Hamburg and Hanoi). They are resilient, and the tonnage needed to cripple them is exorbitant. And they are notoriously advantageous for their defenders, who are more familiar with alleyways, roads, dead ends, and so on. The fact that the Russians operated this way indicates that they had low expectations of their enemy. This is to say nothing of Russia’s massive intelligence failure, which misread the enemy. (There are reports that the chief of the FSB intelligence agency's Ukraine unit has been placed under house arrest.) The most important failure was the failure to see that Ukraine would counter with a large, relatively decentralized infantry force.

The protraction of the war allowed the West and its allies to initiate economic warfare against Russia on an unprecedented scale. It takes time to implement economic warfare, and the Russians gave away precious time. Similarly, Moscow didn’t anticipate the substantial military aid that would flow into Ukraine, particularly the kinds that were ideally suited for a light infantry force.

None of this has defeated the Russians, of course, but it has created a crisis. A military force shocked by the inaccuracy of intelligence must determine without confidence in its intelligence what to do next. Russia thus seems to have abandoned the goal to occupy all of Ukraine or even Kyiv, shifting instead to a strategy of creating a land bridge from Russia to Crimea. If there is no military dimension to the future, this is a reasonable retreat for the Russians. But a long, relatively narrow salient – military-speak for a bulge or vector – is vulnerable to many forms of interdiction. This leaves the Russian salient at the mercy of Ukrainian action at the time and place of Kyiv’s choosing.

The question of the long war depends on Russian resources, without which there is nothing to discuss. Russia is apparently short on infantry, or it would not be recruiting and trying to integrate Syrian and other soldiers. The possibility of having forces that don’t speak Russian and haven’t experienced Russian training would only be considered by a force short of manpower. And such a force, depending on how it is integrated and what the mission would be, would be taking a large risk in maintaining large-scale operations.

The problem has thus become political. The initial war plan failed. The Russians are certainly able to continue the war, but they apparently need more people and an overall better logistics system, which is hard to improve in the face of constant combat. The United States, facing the same essential problem, chose to continue the wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. The cost was substantial but did not threaten core national security because of the vast oceans between the war and the homeland. The Ukraine war is on Russia’s doorstep, and an extended war, with intensifying distrust of the government, can result in a trained Ukrainian special forces group expanding the fighting into Russia. Russians cannot assume immunity.

It is painful, from a political point of view, for presidents and chiefs of staff to admit failure and cut their losses. The desire to keep trying, coupled with a reluctance to admit failure, carries with it myriad problems. Russian President Vladimir Putin needs an honest intelligence review, but he had one before invading. It was not a lie; it was just wrong. In a long war, the defender has the opportunity to grow strong, and the attacker is likely maxed out in anticipation of victory and the intent to throw everything into it. If Russia has resources not deployed and held in reserve for another possible threat, and doesn’t ruthlessly cut its losses, it will be joining a long line of defeats, from Algiers to Khartoum to Hue.


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What to make of this?
« Reply #532 on: March 27, 2022, 02:22:02 PM »
Is there anything of value to extract from this?
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Authored by Pepe Escobar,

The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder...



All eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk’s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant – the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion.

Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight – or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell.

That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified – as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force.

Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There’s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine – and that explains Comedian Zelensky’s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as “moderate rebels” in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. – the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly “Kalibrated”.

A quick neo-Nazi recap

By now only the brain dead across NATOstan – and there are hordes – are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine.

Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.)

Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU – tell that to Ursula von der Lugen – and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors.

Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen.

Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass – with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White Führer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard.

They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive – with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America.

That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik “Blackwater” Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov.

It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky “F**k the EU” Nuland who suggested to Zelensky – both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews – to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea – the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z.

All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there’s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as “Christian” as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are “Muslim”.

When Putin denounced a “bunch of neo-Nazis” in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis.

Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed.

U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander – complete with Nazi iconography.

Why “denazification” makes sense
The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the – then autonomous – Kingdom of Galicia.

WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine – an imperial intersection – that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies.

Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR.

So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of “white nationalism” – to put it mildly – but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols.

So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian.

Russians viscerally reject Nazism – considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of “Ukro-nazism” or, straight to the point, a “denazification” campaign.

How the Anglos loved the Nazis
The United States government openly cheerleading neo-Nazis in Ukraine is hardly a novelty, considering how it supported Hitler alongside England in 1933 for balance of power reasons.

In 1933, Roosevelt lent Hitler one billion gold dollars while England lent him two billion gold dollars. That should be multiplied 200 times to arrive at today’s fiat dollars. The Anglo-Americans wanted to build up Germany as a bulwark against Russia. In 1941 Roosevelt wrote to Hitler that if he invaded Russia the U.S. would side with Russia, and wrote Stalin that if Stalin invaded Germany the U.S. would back Germany. Talk about a graphic illustration of Mackinderesque balance of power.

The Brits had become very concerned with the rise of Russian power under Stalin while observing that Germany was on its knees with 50% unemployment in 1933, if one counted unregistered itinerant Germans.

Even Lloyd George had misgivings about the Versailles Treaty, unbearably weakening Germany after its surrender in WWI. The purpose of WWI, in Lloyd George’s worldview, was to destroy Russia and Germany together. Germany was threatening England with the Kaiser building a fleet to take over the oceans, while the Tsar was too close to India for comfort. For a while Britannia won – and continued to rule the waves.

Then building up Germany to fight Russia became the number one priority – complete with rewriting of History. The uniting of Austrian Germans and Sudetenland Germans with Germany, for instance, was totally approved by the Brits.

But then came the Polish problem. When Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain stood on the sidelines. That placed Germany on the border of Russia, and Germany and Russia divided up Poland. That’s exactly what Britain and France wanted. Britain and France had promised Poland that they would invade Germany from the west while Poland fought Germany from the east.

In the end, the Poles were double-crossed. Churchill even praised Russia for invading Poland. Hitler was advised by MI6 that England and France would not invade Poland – as part of their plan for a German-Russian war. Hitler had been supported financially since the 1920s by MI6 for his favorable words about England in Mein Kampf. MI6 de facto encouraged Hitler to invade Russia.

Fast forward to 2022, and here we go again – as farce, with the Anglo-Americans “encouraging” Germany under feeble Scholz to put itself back together militarily, with 100 billion euros (that the Germans don’t have), and setting up in thesis a revamped European force to later go to war against Russia.

Cue to the Russophobic hysteria in Anglo-American media about the Russia-China strategic partnership. The mortal Anglo-American fear is Mackinder/Mahan/Spykman/Kissinger/Brzezinski all rolled into one: Russia-China as peer competitor twins take over the Eurasian land mass – the Belt and Road Initiative meets the Greater Eurasia Partnership – and thus rule the planet, with the U.S. relegated to inconsequential island status, as much as the previous “Rule Britannia”.

England, France and later the Americans had prevented it when Germany aspired to do the same, controlling Eurasia side by side with Japan, from the English Channel to the Pacific. Now it’s a completely different ball game.

So Ukraine, with its pathetic neo-Nazi gangs, is just an – expendable – pawn in the desperate drive to stop something that is beyond anathema, from Washington’s perspective: a totally peaceful German-Russian-Chinese New Silk Road.

Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West’s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great – and then with The Great Game. By the French since Napoleon. By the Germans because the Red Army liberated Berlin. By the Americans because Stalin forced to them the mapping of Europe – and then it went on and on and on throughout the Cold War.

We are at just the early stages of the final push by the dying Empire to attempt arresting the flow of History. They are being outsmarted, they are already outgunned by the top military power in the world, and they will be checkmated. Existentially, they are not equipped to kill the Bear – and that hurts. Cosmically.

================

Not sure what to make of this, I asked my friend of whom I have previously spoken what she thought of it.  Herewith her comments:

================

Yes! I think it explains very well both the Nazi presence, the difference between Nazis and followers of Bandera as the " enemy of my enemy is mu friend". Not the first time they had a common goal. Killing Jews was also something that united them for a short time.

Also like his explanation of the war in Donbas. Ignoring what was done there by Ukranian nationalists just bc the people there were Russian supporters fit in very well with the Russophobia. And also, with Putin's obsession of incorporating the Russians who were stuck in New and hostile countries after the fall of Soviet Union.

I believed from the beginning that Ukrain was just a pawn and a sacrifice to isolate Russia. Bating Putin to attack knowing that he is someone who would not shy away from total destruction. 

Zelensky is definitely someone who is playing a part. At first I just thought it was him embracing the dramatic to do whats best for Ukraine..but now he is starting to annoy me. If he talks to the Oscars today, I'm going to lose it lol

And btw Biden just senile talking about overthrowing Putin? I don't think so. I think that was planned to piss Putin off further


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« Reply #533 on: March 27, 2022, 04:04:18 PM »
https://www.adl.org/blog/why-is-putin-calling-the-ukrainian-government-a-bunch-of-nazis

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Is there anything of value to extract from this?
===================================
Authored by Pepe Escobar,

The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder...



All eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk’s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant – the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion.

Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight – or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell.

That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified – as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force.

Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There’s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine – and that explains Comedian Zelensky’s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as “moderate rebels” in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. – the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly “Kalibrated”.

A quick neo-Nazi recap

By now only the brain dead across NATOstan – and there are hordes – are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine.

Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.)

Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU – tell that to Ursula von der Lugen – and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors.

Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen.

Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass – with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White Führer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard.

They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive – with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America.

That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik “Blackwater” Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov.

It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky “F**k the EU” Nuland who suggested to Zelensky – both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews – to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea – the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z.

All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there’s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as “Christian” as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are “Muslim”.

When Putin denounced a “bunch of neo-Nazis” in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis.

Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed.

U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander – complete with Nazi iconography.

Why “denazification” makes sense
The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the – then autonomous – Kingdom of Galicia.

WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine – an imperial intersection – that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies.

Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR.

So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of “white nationalism” – to put it mildly – but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols.

So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian.

Russians viscerally reject Nazism – considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of “Ukro-nazism” or, straight to the point, a “denazification” campaign.

How the Anglos loved the Nazis
The United States government openly cheerleading neo-Nazis in Ukraine is hardly a novelty, considering how it supported Hitler alongside England in 1933 for balance of power reasons.

In 1933, Roosevelt lent Hitler one billion gold dollars while England lent him two billion gold dollars. That should be multiplied 200 times to arrive at today’s fiat dollars. The Anglo-Americans wanted to build up Germany as a bulwark against Russia. In 1941 Roosevelt wrote to Hitler that if he invaded Russia the U.S. would side with Russia, and wrote Stalin that if Stalin invaded Germany the U.S. would back Germany. Talk about a graphic illustration of Mackinderesque balance of power.

The Brits had become very concerned with the rise of Russian power under Stalin while observing that Germany was on its knees with 50% unemployment in 1933, if one counted unregistered itinerant Germans.

Even Lloyd George had misgivings about the Versailles Treaty, unbearably weakening Germany after its surrender in WWI. The purpose of WWI, in Lloyd George’s worldview, was to destroy Russia and Germany together. Germany was threatening England with the Kaiser building a fleet to take over the oceans, while the Tsar was too close to India for comfort. For a while Britannia won – and continued to rule the waves.

Then building up Germany to fight Russia became the number one priority – complete with rewriting of History. The uniting of Austrian Germans and Sudetenland Germans with Germany, for instance, was totally approved by the Brits.

But then came the Polish problem. When Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain stood on the sidelines. That placed Germany on the border of Russia, and Germany and Russia divided up Poland. That’s exactly what Britain and France wanted. Britain and France had promised Poland that they would invade Germany from the west while Poland fought Germany from the east.

In the end, the Poles were double-crossed. Churchill even praised Russia for invading Poland. Hitler was advised by MI6 that England and France would not invade Poland – as part of their plan for a German-Russian war. Hitler had been supported financially since the 1920s by MI6 for his favorable words about England in Mein Kampf. MI6 de facto encouraged Hitler to invade Russia.

Fast forward to 2022, and here we go again – as farce, with the Anglo-Americans “encouraging” Germany under feeble Scholz to put itself back together militarily, with 100 billion euros (that the Germans don’t have), and setting up in thesis a revamped European force to later go to war against Russia.

Cue to the Russophobic hysteria in Anglo-American media about the Russia-China strategic partnership. The mortal Anglo-American fear is Mackinder/Mahan/Spykman/Kissinger/Brzezinski all rolled into one: Russia-China as peer competitor twins take over the Eurasian land mass – the Belt and Road Initiative meets the Greater Eurasia Partnership – and thus rule the planet, with the U.S. relegated to inconsequential island status, as much as the previous “Rule Britannia”.

England, France and later the Americans had prevented it when Germany aspired to do the same, controlling Eurasia side by side with Japan, from the English Channel to the Pacific. Now it’s a completely different ball game.

So Ukraine, with its pathetic neo-Nazi gangs, is just an – expendable – pawn in the desperate drive to stop something that is beyond anathema, from Washington’s perspective: a totally peaceful German-Russian-Chinese New Silk Road.

Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West’s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great – and then with The Great Game. By the French since Napoleon. By the Germans because the Red Army liberated Berlin. By the Americans because Stalin forced to them the mapping of Europe – and then it went on and on and on throughout the Cold War.

We are at just the early stages of the final push by the dying Empire to attempt arresting the flow of History. They are being outsmarted, they are already outgunned by the top military power in the world, and they will be checkmated. Existentially, they are not equipped to kill the Bear – and that hurts. Cosmically.

================

Not sure what to make of this, I asked my friend of whom I have previously spoken what she thought of it.  Herewith her comments:

================

Yes! I think it explains very well both the Nazi presence, the difference between Nazis and followers of Bandera as the " enemy of my enemy is mu friend". Not the first time they had a common goal. Killing Jews was also something that united them for a short time.

Also like his explanation of the war in Donbas. Ignoring what was done there by Ukranian nationalists just bc the people there were Russian supporters fit in very well with the Russophobia. And also, with Putin's obsession of incorporating the Russians who were stuck in New and hostile countries after the fall of Soviet Union.

I believed from the beginning that Ukrain was just a pawn and a sacrifice to isolate Russia. Bating Putin to attack knowing that he is someone who would not shy away from total destruction. 

Zelensky is definitely someone who is playing a part. At first I just thought it was him embracing the dramatic to do whats best for Ukraine..but now he is starting to annoy me. If he talks to the Oscars today, I'm going to lose it lol

And btw Biden just senile talking about overthrowing Putin? I don't think so. I think that was planned to piss Putin off further

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« Reply #535 on: March 27, 2022, 10:49:52 PM »
https://www.arkhaven.com/comics/comedy/stonetoss/fast-friends



https://www.adl.org/blog/why-is-putin-calling-the-ukrainian-government-a-bunch-of-nazis

The ADL only calls American conservatives nazis.


Is there anything of value to extract from this?
===================================
Authored by Pepe Escobar,

The supreme target is regime change in Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder...



All eyes are on Mariupol. As of Wednesday night, over 70% of residential areas were under control of Donetsk and Russian forces, while Russian Marines, Donetsk’s 107th batallion and Chechen Spetsnaz, led by the charismatic Adam Delimkhanov, had entered the Azov-Stal plant – the HQ of the neo-Nazi Azov batallion.

Azov was sent a last ultimatum: surrender until midnight – or else, as in a take no prisoners highway to hell.

That implies a major game-changer in the Ukrainian battlefield; Mariupol is finally about to be thoroughly denazified – as the Azov contingent long entrenched in the city and using civilians as human shields were their most hardened fighting force.

Meanwhile, echoes from the Empire of Lies all but gave the whole game away. There’s no intention whatsoever in Washington to facilitate a peace plan in Ukraine – and that explains Comedian Zelensky’s non-stop stalling tactics. The supreme target is regime change in Russia, and for that Totalen Krieg against Russia and all things Russian is warranted. Ukraine is just a pawn in the game – or worse, mere cannon fodder.

This also means that the 14,000 deaths in Donbass for the past 8 years should be directly attributed to the Exceptionalists. As for Ukrainian neo-Nazis of all stripes, they are as expendable as “moderate rebels” in Syria, be they al-Qaeda or Daesh-linked. Those that may eventually survive can always join the budding CIA-sponsored Neo-Nazi Inc. – the tawdry remix of the 1980s Jihad Inc. in Afghanistan. They will be properly “Kalibrated”.

A quick neo-Nazi recap

By now only the brain dead across NATOstan – and there are hordes – are not aware of Maidan in 2014. Yet few know that it was then Ukrainian Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov, a former governor of Kharkov, who gave the green light for a 12,000 paramilitary outfit to materialize out of Sect 82 soccer hooligans who supported Dynamo Kiev. That was the birth of the Azov batallion, in May 2014, led by Andriy Biletsky, a.k.a. the White Fuhrer, and former leader of the neo-nazi gang Patriots of Ukraine.

Together with NATO stay-behind agent Dmitro Yarosh, Biletsky founded Pravy Sektor, financed by Ukrainian mafia godfather and Jewish billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky (later the benefactor of the meta-conversion of Zelensky from mediocre comedian to mediocre President.)

Pravy Sektor happened to be rabidly anti-EU – tell that to Ursula von der Lugen – and politically obsessed with linking Central Europe and the Baltics in a new, tawdry Intermarium. Crucially, Pravy Sektor and other nazi gangs were duly trained by NATO instructors.

Biletsky and Yarosh are of course disciples of notorious WWII-era Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, for whom pure Ukrainians are proto-Germanic or Scandinavian, and Slavs are untermenschen.

Azov ended up absorbing nearly all neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine and were dispatched to fight against Donbass – with their acolytes making more money than regular soldiers. Biletsky and another neo-Nazi leader, Oleh Petrenko, were elected to the Rada. The White Führer stood on his own. Petrenko decided to support then President Poroshenko. Soon the Azov battalion was incorporated as the Azov Regiment to the Ukrainian National Guard.

They went on a foreign mercenary recruiting drive – with people coming from Western Europe, Scandinavia and even South America.

That was strictly forbidden by the Minsk Agreements guaranteed by France and Germany (and now de facto defunct). Azov set up training camps for teenagers and soon reached 10,000 members. Erik “Blackwater” Prince, in 2020, struck a deal with the Ukrainian military that would enable his renamed outfit, Academi, to supervise Azov.

It was none other than sinister Maidan cookie distributor Vicky “F**k the EU” Nuland who suggested to Zelensky – both of them, by the way, Ukrainian Jews – to appoint avowed Nazi Yarosh as an adviser to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi. The target: organize a blitzkrieg on Donbass and Crimea – the same blitzkrieg that SVR, Russian foreign intel, concluded would be launched on February 22, thus propelling the launch of Operation Z.

All of the above, in fact just a quick recap, shows that in Ukraine there’s no difference whatsoever between white neo-Nazis and brown-colored al-Qaeda/ISIS/Daesh, as much as neo-Nazis are just as “Christian” as takfiri Salafi-jihadis are “Muslim”.

When Putin denounced a “bunch of neo-Nazis” in power in Kiev, the Comedian replied that it was impossible because he was Jewish. Nonsense. Zelensky and his patron Kolomoysky, for all practical purposes, are Zio-Nazis.

Even as branches of the United States government admitted to neo-Nazis entrenched in the Kiev apparatus, the Exceptionalist machine made the daily shelling of Donbass for 8 years simply disappear. These thousands of civilian victims never existed.

U.S. mainstream media even ventured the odd piece or report on Azov and Aidar neo-Nazis. But then a neo-Orwellian narrative was set in stone: there are no Nazis in Ukraine. CIA offshoot NED even started deleting records about training members of Aidar. Recently a crappy news network duly promoted a video of a NATO-trained and weaponized Azov commander – complete with Nazi iconography.

Why “denazification” makes sense
The Banderastan ideology harks back to when this part of Ukraine was in fact controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire and Poland. Stepan Bandera was born in Austro-Hungary in 1909, near Ivano-Frankovsk, in the – then autonomous – Kingdom of Galicia.

WWI dismembered European empires into frequently non-viable small entities. In western Ukraine – an imperial intersection – that inevitably led to the proliferation of extremely intolerant ideologies.

Banderastan ideologues profited from the Nazi arrival in 1941 to try to proclaim an independent territory. But Berlin not only blocked it but sent them to concentration camps. In 1944 though the Nazis changed tactics: they liberated the Banderanistas and manipulated them into anti-Russian hate, thus creating a destabilization force in the Ukrainian USSR.

So Nazism is not exactly the same as Banderastan fanatics: they are in fact competing ideologies. What happened since Maidan is that the CIA kept a laser focus on inciting Russian hatred by whatever fringe groups it could instrumentalize. So Ukraine is not a case of “white nationalism” – to put it mildly – but of anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism, for all practical purposes manifested via Nazi-style salutes and Nazi-style symbols.

So when Putin and the Russian leadership refer to Ukrainian Nazism, that may not be 100% correct, conceptually, but it strikes a chord with every Russian.

Russians viscerally reject Nazism – considering that virtually every Russian family has at least one ancestor killed during the Great Patriotic War. From the perspective of wartime psychology, it makes total sense to talk of “Ukro-nazism” or, straight to the point, a “denazification” campaign.

How the Anglos loved the Nazis
The United States government openly cheerleading neo-Nazis in Ukraine is hardly a novelty, considering how it supported Hitler alongside England in 1933 for balance of power reasons.

In 1933, Roosevelt lent Hitler one billion gold dollars while England lent him two billion gold dollars. That should be multiplied 200 times to arrive at today’s fiat dollars. The Anglo-Americans wanted to build up Germany as a bulwark against Russia. In 1941 Roosevelt wrote to Hitler that if he invaded Russia the U.S. would side with Russia, and wrote Stalin that if Stalin invaded Germany the U.S. would back Germany. Talk about a graphic illustration of Mackinderesque balance of power.

The Brits had become very concerned with the rise of Russian power under Stalin while observing that Germany was on its knees with 50% unemployment in 1933, if one counted unregistered itinerant Germans.

Even Lloyd George had misgivings about the Versailles Treaty, unbearably weakening Germany after its surrender in WWI. The purpose of WWI, in Lloyd George’s worldview, was to destroy Russia and Germany together. Germany was threatening England with the Kaiser building a fleet to take over the oceans, while the Tsar was too close to India for comfort. For a while Britannia won – and continued to rule the waves.

Then building up Germany to fight Russia became the number one priority – complete with rewriting of History. The uniting of Austrian Germans and Sudetenland Germans with Germany, for instance, was totally approved by the Brits.

But then came the Polish problem. When Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain stood on the sidelines. That placed Germany on the border of Russia, and Germany and Russia divided up Poland. That’s exactly what Britain and France wanted. Britain and France had promised Poland that they would invade Germany from the west while Poland fought Germany from the east.

In the end, the Poles were double-crossed. Churchill even praised Russia for invading Poland. Hitler was advised by MI6 that England and France would not invade Poland – as part of their plan for a German-Russian war. Hitler had been supported financially since the 1920s by MI6 for his favorable words about England in Mein Kampf. MI6 de facto encouraged Hitler to invade Russia.

Fast forward to 2022, and here we go again – as farce, with the Anglo-Americans “encouraging” Germany under feeble Scholz to put itself back together militarily, with 100 billion euros (that the Germans don’t have), and setting up in thesis a revamped European force to later go to war against Russia.

Cue to the Russophobic hysteria in Anglo-American media about the Russia-China strategic partnership. The mortal Anglo-American fear is Mackinder/Mahan/Spykman/Kissinger/Brzezinski all rolled into one: Russia-China as peer competitor twins take over the Eurasian land mass – the Belt and Road Initiative meets the Greater Eurasia Partnership – and thus rule the planet, with the U.S. relegated to inconsequential island status, as much as the previous “Rule Britannia”.

England, France and later the Americans had prevented it when Germany aspired to do the same, controlling Eurasia side by side with Japan, from the English Channel to the Pacific. Now it’s a completely different ball game.

So Ukraine, with its pathetic neo-Nazi gangs, is just an – expendable – pawn in the desperate drive to stop something that is beyond anathema, from Washington’s perspective: a totally peaceful German-Russian-Chinese New Silk Road.

Russophobia, massively imprinted in the West’s DNA, never really went away. Cultivated by the Brits since Catherine the Great – and then with The Great Game. By the French since Napoleon. By the Germans because the Red Army liberated Berlin. By the Americans because Stalin forced to them the mapping of Europe – and then it went on and on and on throughout the Cold War.

We are at just the early stages of the final push by the dying Empire to attempt arresting the flow of History. They are being outsmarted, they are already outgunned by the top military power in the world, and they will be checkmated. Existentially, they are not equipped to kill the Bear – and that hurts. Cosmically.

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Not sure what to make of this, I asked my friend of whom I have previously spoken what she thought of it.  Herewith her comments:

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Yes! I think it explains very well both the Nazi presence, the difference between Nazis and followers of Bandera as the " enemy of my enemy is mu friend". Not the first time they had a common goal. Killing Jews was also something that united them for a short time.

Also like his explanation of the war in Donbas. Ignoring what was done there by Ukranian nationalists just bc the people there were Russian supporters fit in very well with the Russophobia. And also, with Putin's obsession of incorporating the Russians who were stuck in New and hostile countries after the fall of Soviet Union.

I believed from the beginning that Ukrain was just a pawn and a sacrifice to isolate Russia. Bating Putin to attack knowing that he is someone who would not shy away from total destruction. 

Zelensky is definitely someone who is playing a part. At first I just thought it was him embracing the dramatic to do whats best for Ukraine..but now he is starting to annoy me. If he talks to the Oscars today, I'm going to lose it lol

And btw Biden just senile talking about overthrowing Putin? I don't think so. I think that was planned to piss Putin off further
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« Reply #538 on: March 30, 2022, 06:18:56 AM »
What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?
March 29, 2022





By Bret Stephens



He thought Russian-speaking Ukrainians would welcome his troops. They didn’t. He thought he’d swiftly depose Volodymyr Zelensky’s government. He hasn’t. He thought he’d divide NATO. He’s united it. He thought he had sanction-proofed his economy. He’s wrecked it. He thought the Chinese would help him out. They’re hedging their bets. He thought his modernized military would make mincemeat of Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainians are making mincemeat of his, at least on some fronts.



Putin’s miscalculations raise questions about his strategic judgment and mental state. Who, if anyone, is advising him? Has he lost contact with reality? Is he physically unwell? Mentally? Condoleezza Rice warns: “He’s not in control of his emotions. Something is wrong.” Russia’s sieges of Mariupol and Kharkiv — two heavily Russian-speaking cities that Putin claims to be “liberating” from Ukrainian oppression — resemble what the Nazis did to Warsaw, and what Putin himself did to Grozny.



Several analysts have compared Putin to a cornered rat, more dangerous now that he’s no longer in control of events. They want to give him a safe way out of the predicament he allegedly created for himself. Hence the almost universal scorn poured on Joe Biden for saying in Poland, “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”



The conventional wisdom is entirely plausible. It has the benefit of vindicating the West’s strategy of supporting Ukraine defensively. And it tends toward the conclusion that the best outcome is one in which Putin finds some face-saving exit: additional Ukrainian territory, a Ukrainian pledge of neutrality, a lifting of some of the sanctions.











But what if the conventional wisdom is wrong? What if the West is only playing into Putin’s hands once again?



The possibility is suggested in a powerful reminiscence from The Times’s Carlotta Gall of her experience covering Russia’s siege of Grozny, during the first Chechen war in the mid-1990s. In the early phases of the war, motivated Chechen fighters wiped out a Russian armored brigade, stunning Moscow. The Russians regrouped and wiped out Grozny from afar, using artillery and air power.



Russia’s operating from the same playbook today. When Western military analysts argue that Putin can’t win militarily in Ukraine, what they really mean is that he can’t win clean. Since when has Putin ever played clean?



“There is a whole next stage to the Putin playbook, which is well known to the Chechens,” Gall writes. “As Russian troops gained control on the ground in Chechnya, they crushed any further dissent with arrests and filtration camps and by turning and empowering local protégés and collaborators.”



Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).






Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance.



“Under the guise of an invasion, Putin is executing an enormous heist,” said Canadian energy expert David Knight Legg. As for what’s left of a mostly landlocked Ukraine, it will likely become a welfare case for the West, which will help pick up the tab for resettling Ukraine’s refugees to new homes outside of Russian control. In time, a Viktor Orban-like figure could take Ukraine’s presidency, imitating the strongman-style of politics that Putin prefers in his neighbors.



If this analysis is right, then Putin doesn’t seem like the miscalculating loser his critics make him out to be.

It also makes sense of his strategy of targeting civilians. More than simply a way of compensating for the incompetence of Russian troops, the mass killing of civilians puts immense pressure on Zelensky to agree to the very things Putin has demanded all along: territorial concessions and Ukrainian neutrality. The West will also look for any opportunity to de-escalate, especially as we convince ourselves that a mentally unstable Putin is prepared to use nuclear weapons.



Within Russia, the war has already served Putin’s political purposes. Many in the professional middle class — the people most sympathetic to dissidents like Aleksei Navalny — have gone into self-imposed exile. The remnants of a free press have been shuttered, probably for good. To the extent that Russia’s military has embarrassed itself, it is more likely to lead to a well-aimed purge from above than a broad revolution from below. Russia’s new energy riches could eventually help it shake loose the grip of sanctions.



This alternative analysis of Putin’s performance could be wrong. Then again, in war, politics and life, it’s always wiser to treat your adversary as a canny fox, not a crazy fool.


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« Reply #539 on: March 30, 2022, 06:27:01 AM »
From what I have read, this is the Russian way of war. We lead with Tier 1 ops and the best we have at the start. The Russians throw the worst conscripts in as bullet sponges. After slogging things out, then the Spetnaz and better units go in after a tired and depleted enemy.


What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?
March 29, 2022





By Bret Stephens



He thought Russian-speaking Ukrainians would welcome his troops. They didn’t. He thought he’d swiftly depose Volodymyr Zelensky’s government. He hasn’t. He thought he’d divide NATO. He’s united it. He thought he had sanction-proofed his economy. He’s wrecked it. He thought the Chinese would help him out. They’re hedging their bets. He thought his modernized military would make mincemeat of Ukrainian forces. The Ukrainians are making mincemeat of his, at least on some fronts.



Putin’s miscalculations raise questions about his strategic judgment and mental state. Who, if anyone, is advising him? Has he lost contact with reality? Is he physically unwell? Mentally? Condoleezza Rice warns: “He’s not in control of his emotions. Something is wrong.” Russia’s sieges of Mariupol and Kharkiv — two heavily Russian-speaking cities that Putin claims to be “liberating” from Ukrainian oppression — resemble what the Nazis did to Warsaw, and what Putin himself did to Grozny.



Several analysts have compared Putin to a cornered rat, more dangerous now that he’s no longer in control of events. They want to give him a safe way out of the predicament he allegedly created for himself. Hence the almost universal scorn poured on Joe Biden for saying in Poland, “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”



The conventional wisdom is entirely plausible. It has the benefit of vindicating the West’s strategy of supporting Ukraine defensively. And it tends toward the conclusion that the best outcome is one in which Putin finds some face-saving exit: additional Ukrainian territory, a Ukrainian pledge of neutrality, a lifting of some of the sanctions.











But what if the conventional wisdom is wrong? What if the West is only playing into Putin’s hands once again?



The possibility is suggested in a powerful reminiscence from The Times’s Carlotta Gall of her experience covering Russia’s siege of Grozny, during the first Chechen war in the mid-1990s. In the early phases of the war, motivated Chechen fighters wiped out a Russian armored brigade, stunning Moscow. The Russians regrouped and wiped out Grozny from afar, using artillery and air power.



Russia’s operating from the same playbook today. When Western military analysts argue that Putin can’t win militarily in Ukraine, what they really mean is that he can’t win clean. Since when has Putin ever played clean?



“There is a whole next stage to the Putin playbook, which is well known to the Chechens,” Gall writes. “As Russian troops gained control on the ground in Chechnya, they crushed any further dissent with arrests and filtration camps and by turning and empowering local protégés and collaborators.”



Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).






Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance.



“Under the guise of an invasion, Putin is executing an enormous heist,” said Canadian energy expert David Knight Legg. As for what’s left of a mostly landlocked Ukraine, it will likely become a welfare case for the West, which will help pick up the tab for resettling Ukraine’s refugees to new homes outside of Russian control. In time, a Viktor Orban-like figure could take Ukraine’s presidency, imitating the strongman-style of politics that Putin prefers in his neighbors.



If this analysis is right, then Putin doesn’t seem like the miscalculating loser his critics make him out to be.

It also makes sense of his strategy of targeting civilians. More than simply a way of compensating for the incompetence of Russian troops, the mass killing of civilians puts immense pressure on Zelensky to agree to the very things Putin has demanded all along: territorial concessions and Ukrainian neutrality. The West will also look for any opportunity to de-escalate, especially as we convince ourselves that a mentally unstable Putin is prepared to use nuclear weapons.



Within Russia, the war has already served Putin’s political purposes. Many in the professional middle class — the people most sympathetic to dissidents like Aleksei Navalny — have gone into self-imposed exile. The remnants of a free press have been shuttered, probably for good. To the extent that Russia’s military has embarrassed itself, it is more likely to lead to a well-aimed purge from above than a broad revolution from below. Russia’s new energy riches could eventually help it shake loose the grip of sanctions.



This alternative analysis of Putin’s performance could be wrong. Then again, in war, politics and life, it’s always wiser to treat your adversary as a canny fox, not a crazy fool.

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« Reply #540 on: March 30, 2022, 02:36:55 PM »
From what I have read, this is the Russian way of war. We lead with Tier 1 ops and the best we have at the start. The Russians throw the worst conscripts in as bullet sponges. After slogging things out, then the Spetnaz and better units go in after a tired and depleted enemy.

When you see your troops as expendable and your support at home as irrelevant, that's a pretty good strategy.

But I don't believe their failure and global humiliation so far is intentional.

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« Reply #541 on: March 30, 2022, 03:47:37 PM »
Putin is ex KGB, I would not underestimate him. Remember he is competing with Biden!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html?smid=tw-share

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« Reply #542 on: March 30, 2022, 05:31:48 PM »
From what I have read, this is the Russian way of war. We lead with Tier 1 ops and the best we have at the start. The Russians throw the worst conscripts in as bullet sponges. After slogging things out, then the Spetnaz and better units go in after a tired and depleted enemy.

When you see your troops as expendable and your support at home as irrelevant, that's a pretty good strategy.

But I don't believe their failure and global humiliation so far is intentional.

I don't think they are failing. As far as global humiliation, that's us, not them.

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« Reply #548 on: April 02, 2022, 05:46:37 AM »
Not sure, who's winning. Looks like Russia might have an edge.


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