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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #700 on: September 02, 2020, 08:31:14 AM »
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/portland-mayor-wheeler-moving-to-avoid-rioters-targeting-building/?

Where's he moving to?  A red state?

My congressman: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minnesota/articles/2020-08-30/us-rep-phillips-says-minnetonka-campaign-office-burglarized

Getting mugged is supposed to make you more conservative.  But there is no room for diversity of thought in their circles.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #702 on: September 02, 2020, 09:13:33 AM »
Christopher F. Rufo   [City Journal, Heritage]
@realchrisrufo
Seattle is falling apart.

There are women passed out on the sidewalk, tent encampments in residential neighborhoods, and meth RVs operating in front of local businesses.

Neighbors desperately call the mayor and city council, but nobody picks up the phone. They don't care.
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Re: Gathering intel on BLM-Antifa
« Reply #703 on: September 02, 2020, 09:31:10 AM »
https://survivalblog.com/intelligence-gathering-protests-j-d/

Yes.  Ominous.  Great intelligence gathering and advice.  I would hope the Feds, Homeland Security etc, are taking this advice and doing something similar. 

I hope police forces are being trained how to react to 'baiting'.
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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #707 on: September 04, 2020, 02:01:48 PM »
The final straw?

Chistie Todd Whitman is ok with this

as long as we get Trump out.

she does not care the reason he is there to start with is due to Rino's like her who caved to the Left for 30 yrs .


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Marc MacYoung
« Reply #708 on: September 04, 2020, 03:24:29 PM »
Marc MacYoung

Hang on folks.

Yeah it's easy to go rawr rawr about political agendas. This is a LOT more dangerous and complex than you might think.
In Terry Pratchett's "Nightwatch" he spoke of an idea (part of which I use in my teaching). That is the idea of the police is smoke and mirrors. The people outnumber the cops. And what keeps them from taking the cops out is a little image inside the people's head of a cop with a "Do not attack" attached. (That's the part I use.) The character musing about this is the head of the city watch during a time of civil unrest.

Pratchett also has some keen insights about what happens when the supply chain to and the mechanisms of a city are interrupted by civil unrest. (It ain't pretty.) So I would recommend reading that book.

But what if we expand that smoke and mirrors idea? I mean take it past just the police. Most people (at least those who don't have to deal with it) have this imagine inside their heads of an all-powerful legal system keeping us safe from bad guys and violence. This safety umbrella of laws, punishment and protectors lets us go about our daily business; because someone else is looking out for us we don't have to worry about it.

Again we're talking MOST people. As long as most people buy into this idea, things work. (Do me a favor and don't try to soapbox about corruption, oppression, all that other happy horseshit. A- I know more about that than you do. B- While I'm the first to say the system needs serious reform, reform doesn't mean trashing. C- Something else I know more about are the typical consequences of revolution/rebellion/civil war. D - I've heard all the canned rhetoric, cliches, 'proofs' and arguments before. That actually means, I've sat and listened and considered. It they're not outright wrong, they're lies and bullshit —and I can tell you why. E- Unless you have something new to add, I don't want to hear the same old bullshit. It might have convinced you, but it doesn't convince me. ) So anyway, things 'work' if most people believe in the power of the legal system.
However, there are very real limits to the legal system, They come in all manners and ways. One of which is it can only handle so much before being overwhelmed and collapses.

On a daily basis a lot of cockamamie laws and attitudes push the system this way anyway. Yet the system finds a way to adjust and keep up the image of being powerful, fair and working (Put a pushpin in that, we'll come back).

A fast example is/was mandatory arrest for domestic violence. What a noble idea! What a wonderful way to protect victims of domestic violence! Arrest anyone who physically attacked a domestic partner. With great sturm und drang this victory for women and advocates was announced. Yeah and that nearly overwhelmed the system. While the numbers were expected to rise, they weren't expected to hit orbit. That's what happened when reality met up with mandatory arrest laws. The system couldn't handle the fact that women are just as violent in domestic situations as men. The original interpretation for mandatory arrest resulted in arrest rates of 54 men /46% women because BOTH went to jail for physically attacking the other. To keep the system from crashing the laws had to be amended so only the primary aggressor (a.k.a. men) would be arrested.

I tell you about that so you can understand both the reality of the system can be overwhelmed and to introduce you to the politics and maneuvering to keep that from being noticed. That's the pushpin I mentioned. It's looking at the quiet-behind-the-scenes maneuvering and public- statements about keeping folks from recognizing the following.

Using their own standards the system can't handle the current situation. They cannot arrest and prosecute all the rioters and looters without overwhelming the system.

However, the smoke and mirrors about their power and legitimacy must be maintained. So when you can't handle the numbers —and there's a good chance of if you tried things would become a compete nightmare for you because your base supports this behavior— you make these kinds of statements about why you're not doing your job. AND at the same time, deflect criticism and movement against you.

This is not a batshit crazy leftist conspiracy. From a political self-protection, propaganda and doing-what-you-can- to maintain-legitimacy -over -the -long -term perspective this announcement actually is a cagey move. Unfortunately, it also happens to be a bad move.

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Re: Marc MacYoung
« Reply #709 on: September 04, 2020, 05:58:22 PM »
Shooting looters/rioters is a very effective tool for stopping looting/rioting. Something we used to do in this country.

One way or another, we will most likely return to it. People who hate cops are really going to hate what replaces them.


Marc MacYoung

Hang on folks.

Yeah it's easy to go rawr rawr about political agendas. This is a LOT more dangerous and complex than you might think.
In Terry Pratchett's "Nightwatch" he spoke of an idea (part of which I use in my teaching). That is the idea of the police is smoke and mirrors. The people outnumber the cops. And what keeps them from taking the cops out is a little image inside the people's head of a cop with a "Do not attack" attached. (That's the part I use.) The character musing about this is the head of the city watch during a time of civil unrest.

Pratchett also has some keen insights about what happens when the supply chain to and the mechanisms of a city are interrupted by civil unrest. (It ain't pretty.) So I would recommend reading that book.

But what if we expand that smoke and mirrors idea? I mean take it past just the police. Most people (at least those who don't have to deal with it) have this imagine inside their heads of an all-powerful legal system keeping us safe from bad guys and violence. This safety umbrella of laws, punishment and protectors lets us go about our daily business; because someone else is looking out for us we don't have to worry about it.

Again we're talking MOST people. As long as most people buy into this idea, things work. (Do me a favor and don't try to soapbox about corruption, oppression, all that other happy horseshit. A- I know more about that than you do. B- While I'm the first to say the system needs serious reform, reform doesn't mean trashing. C- Something else I know more about are the typical consequences of revolution/rebellion/civil war. D - I've heard all the canned rhetoric, cliches, 'proofs' and arguments before. That actually means, I've sat and listened and considered. It they're not outright wrong, they're lies and bullshit —and I can tell you why. E- Unless you have something new to add, I don't want to hear the same old bullshit. It might have convinced you, but it doesn't convince me. ) So anyway, things 'work' if most people believe in the power of the legal system.
However, there are very real limits to the legal system, They come in all manners and ways. One of which is it can only handle so much before being overwhelmed and collapses.

On a daily basis a lot of cockamamie laws and attitudes push the system this way anyway. Yet the system finds a way to adjust and keep up the image of being powerful, fair and working (Put a pushpin in that, we'll come back).

A fast example is/was mandatory arrest for domestic violence. What a noble idea! What a wonderful way to protect victims of domestic violence! Arrest anyone who physically attacked a domestic partner. With great sturm und drang this victory for women and advocates was announced. Yeah and that nearly overwhelmed the system. While the numbers were expected to rise, they weren't expected to hit orbit. That's what happened when reality met up with mandatory arrest laws. The system couldn't handle the fact that women are just as violent in domestic situations as men. The original interpretation for mandatory arrest resulted in arrest rates of 54 men /46% women because BOTH went to jail for physically attacking the other. To keep the system from crashing the laws had to be amended so only the primary aggressor (a.k.a. men) would be arrested.

I tell you about that so you can understand both the reality of the system can be overwhelmed and to introduce you to the politics and maneuvering to keep that from being noticed. That's the pushpin I mentioned. It's looking at the quiet-behind-the-scenes maneuvering and public- statements about keeping folks from recognizing the following.

Using their own standards the system can't handle the current situation. They cannot arrest and prosecute all the rioters and looters without overwhelming the system.

However, the smoke and mirrors about their power and legitimacy must be maintained. So when you can't handle the numbers —and there's a good chance of if you tried things would become a compete nightmare for you because your base supports this behavior— you make these kinds of statements about why you're not doing your job. AND at the same time, deflect criticism and movement against you.

This is not a batshit crazy leftist conspiracy. From a political self-protection, propaganda and doing-what-you-can- to maintain-legitimacy -over -the -long -term perspective this announcement actually is a cagey move. Unfortunately, it also happens to be a bad move.

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Second American Civil War-RevCom Operator
« Reply #712 on: September 05, 2020, 05:42:35 PM »


Some are trained and equipped.

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Matt Bracken and FerFal MUST WATCH!
« Reply #713 on: September 05, 2020, 08:36:49 PM »

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #716 on: September 07, 2020, 04:36:31 AM »
From American Thinker article posted by GM above:

"These items are, to repeat, merely a short but representative list of what Byron York recently labeled “coup porn.” York seems to think this is just harmless fantasizing on the part of the ruling class and its Democratic servants. For some of them, no doubt that’s true. But for all of them? I’m not so sure."

I like Byron York a lot and normally agree with his assessments.
This I do not.

If he has any doubts about the resolve of the LEFT to make sure they win this election by any means possible then
just look again how :

Democrat DAs, mayors and governors  are selectively enforcing the law against law abiding citizens and not rioters.
And not a SINGLE prominent Democrat on the national stage has denounced  this.



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socialism rise in America.
« Reply #719 on: September 10, 2020, 11:41:47 AM »
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-looming-threat-socialist-america


"Given the electoral gains cited above, are we certain that a socialist America is impossible—especially when 70 percent of Millennials say they would vote for a socialist? We cannot depend on someone else to step forward. We must go on the offensive, disseminating the truth about socialism and the free-enterprise alternative.

We must point out that socialism has never worked anywhere, most recently in Venezuela and in past years in Israel, India, and Great Britain. We must show that it is based on the failed prophecies of a delusional economist named Karl Marx, who predicted two centuries ago that capitalism would wither away, that socialism would mean the end of private property and of small businesses, of which there are now 30 million in America.

Further, we must explain that, thanks to free enterprise, one billion people left poverty and a new middle class has formed around the world—that capitalism not socialism has brought greater wealth and more freedom to more people than any other economic system in history."

hard to do when the Dems control 98 % of media


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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #721 on: September 13, 2020, 05:42:58 AM »
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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #728 on: September 15, 2020, 01:40:57 PM »
how do we know these people are not setting fires

out West?


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« Reply #729 on: September 15, 2020, 02:54:45 PM »
how do we know these people are not setting fires
out West?

Yes.  Part of it is from those same arsonists.  Part of it is the usual amount of carelessness, forest mis-management and part of it is from natural causes.  If we don't know the exact amounts from each source, call it climate change!

I don't know if this chart fits but scroll across for historical perspective.  Fires were worse years ago.



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Mike Moore
« Reply #733 on: September 20, 2020, 03:36:17 PM »

shut down government
and take to the streets.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/09/20/michael-moore-urges-pelosi-to-shut-down-government-to-block-gop-from-filling-ginsburgs-seat/

(we should only be so lucky - trump would win big)

lets get it on.

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Second American Civil War-Checks being written by the violent left
« Reply #734 on: September 20, 2020, 09:45:22 PM »

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Intolerable acts
« Reply #736 on: September 21, 2020, 02:10:29 PM »

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Re: Intolerable acts
« Reply #737 on: September 21, 2020, 04:47:11 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390343.php

"It's now legal to resist a police officer but it's illegal to resist a BLM rioter and street thug?"

   - Except for the small detail that we aren't fighting back yet, this is war.

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Re: Intolerable acts
« Reply #738 on: September 21, 2020, 05:18:53 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/390343.php

"It's now legal to resist a police officer but it's illegal to resist a BLM rioter and street thug?"

   - Except for the small detail that we aren't fighting back yet, this is war.

Yes.


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partisan prosecuter
« Reply #744 on: September 24, 2020, 06:11:18 AM »
https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/special-prosecutor-jake-gardner-was-waiting-in-his-bar-for-looters-before-fatal-encounter/article_e5a05ddb-e224-542d-8dd7-41fe4ab350f6.html

Notice he is sure to include a Democrat talking point:

"A day before, Franklin noted, President Donald Trump had tweeted a statement that said, in part, “…when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” The tweet came after protesters had burned a police station.

Franklin also noted Gardner’s affinity for the president."

obvious bias

no mention of how MSM and prosecutors have given the green light to rioters. over the past whatever months if one wants to be obejctive

and link that to the dead kids motives and encouragement to loot and damage private property for the fun of it.
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We aren't in a civil war- Jake Gardner
« Reply #746 on: September 25, 2020, 07:07:17 PM »
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