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states consider being paid for taxes in crypto
« Reply #1754 on: February 01, 2022, 08:34:12 AM »
might as well the

US dollar is all paper money ........

backed by a gov. that is 30 trillion in debt........

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/31/crypto-wyoming-arizona-tax-payments-00003910


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When are cryptos securities?
« Reply #1756 on: February 02, 2022, 04:37:32 AM »
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Ripple’s Legal Brawl With SEC Could Help Settle When Cryptocurrencies Are Securities
An SEC win would boost its case to regulate much of the crypto market, while a loss would reinforce calls for clearer laws

The SEC says just a handful of digital assets, such as bitcoin, are commodities mostly exempt from federal regulation.
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WASHINGTON—The booming cryptocurrency sector’s complaints that Washington has gone too far in cracking down on its unregulated products are getting tested in a key lawsuit targeting Ripple Labs Inc. and its digital coin, XRP.

The lawsuit, which the Securities and Exchange Commission filed in the waning days of the Trump administration, faces several hurdles in the coming months. A Manhattan federal judge has been asked to decide, for instance, whether Ripple can argue regulators should have clearly announced which digital assets they oversee, rather than using enforcement actions to bring the industry to heel.

The SEC says Ripple illegally raised almost $1.4 billion by selling XRP in violation of investor-protection rules, while its co-founder and chief executive, whom it also sued, reaped hundreds of millions of dollars in trading gains. The company says XRP is used for making international payments and isn’t an investment to be overseen by the SEC. Some XRP sales occurred before the SEC first said in 2017 that many cryptocurrencies should follow laws written to shield investors from fraud and misleading hype.

Despite the SEC’s 2017 guidance, thousands of digital coins have been sold in recent years without regulatory oversight. The SEC has brought enforcement actions against 56 token issuers, according to Cornerstone Research, but almost all settled with the SEC without going to court, where the regulator’s legal arguments could be tested by a judge or jury. An SEC win would boost its case to impose investor protections on most of the $2 trillion crypto market, while a loss would reinforce the industry’s call for Congress to write clearer and more suitable laws.

“Either way, we are going to have an opinion that would be used by other players in the space to inform how they act and decisions that they make,” said Katherine Dowling, general counsel of Bitwise Asset Management, which manages several funds that hold cryptocurrencies.

Regulators have said just a handful of digital assets, such as bitcoin, are commodities mostly exempt from federal regulation. In contrast, XRP’s usefulness as a currency “never materialized,” the SEC says. Ripple touted XRP’s commercial use but didn’t disclose that it paid a money transmitter to accept the coin. The money transmitter sold the digital coins, which gave the appearance that XRP was in greater demand, according to the SEC.

Ripple, whose defense attorneys include former SEC Chair Mary Jo White, has litigated aggressively. Early in the case, it sought records from the SEC that might have shown whether the regulator had allowed its staff members to trade XRP. A judge denied the request.

It also sought emails from within the SEC that might show regulators to be uncertain or divided over which tokens fall under their oversight. A federal magistrate judge in January said Ripple and its executives were entitled to some records from the SEC, but also allowed the agency to keep much of its thinking under wraps.


Ripple Chief Executive Brad Garlinghouse in 2018; he made almost $160 million from 2017 to 2020 selling XRP he received from Ripple.
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Ripple says its claim that the SEC has been cagey about which crypto assets it regulates supports its argument that it lacked fair notice about XRP’s status. The case, which might not go to trial until next year, has been closely watched because many crypto companies insist regulators should update regulations for digital assets, rather than use lawsuits to enforce rules written in the 1930s.

The SEC has asked a judge to block the fair-notice defense, saying the company had warnings about XRP’s status as a security. Ripple got U.S. legal advice as early as 2012 that XRP could be deemed an investment that would require SEC oversight, according to the agency’s court complaint.

Part of Ripple’s argument relies on a senior regulator’s statement in 2018 that ether, the world’s second-most-valuable cryptocurrency, isn’t a security. Ripple argues that market participants saw William Hinman’s speech as a public notice that digital coins could avoid classification as a security.

The XRP cryptocurrency is more like ether than digital tokens the SEC has previously targeted, according to Ripple. Both are decentralized, meaning they are maintained by a network of users and not a single company. Mr. Hinman has since left the agency, and SEC lawyers have said his view wasn’t an official position of the agency. Mr. Hinman declined to comment.

The SEC was told in January to share drafts and emails related to Mr. Hinman’s speech with Ripple. The SEC has indicated it will ask the judge to reconsider her decision.

Ripple Chief Executive Brad Garlinghouse earned almost $160 million from 2017 to 2020 selling XRP he received from the company. Co-founder Christian Larsen, who was CEO until 2016, earned $450 million from XRP sales between 2015 and 2020, according to the SEC, which included his wife’s sales in the total.


Messrs. Larsen and Garlinghouse have asked the court for early dismissal of the SEC’s complaint against them. The SEC doesn’t have jurisdiction because their XRP was sold to overseas buyers, they say, adding that the regulatory uncertainty surrounding digital assets means the executives’ actions on behalf of Ripple weren’t reckless.

“We believe the record is clear that XRP is not a security and that the SEC does not have jurisdiction over this matter,” said Martin Flumenbaum, an attorney at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, who represents Mr. Larsen.

Ripple’s duel with the SEC has influenced its agenda in Washington, with the firm lobbying Congress to consider a bigger role for other federal agencies such as the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. The company spent almost $1.1 million last year on lobbying, including backing legislation that would create a way for crypto companies to choose supervision by the CFTC. The SEC has argued in court papers that Ripple’s lobbying efforts fueled any confusion about XRP that might have existed.

“Trying to squeeze digital assets, which are more akin to commodities than securities, into a securities regulatory framework simply doesn’t work,” said Stu Alderoty, Ripple’s general counsel. “All roads don’t lead to the SEC, because the SEC doesn’t have a rational regulatory framework.”

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Re: Crypto, young people and the tax code
« Reply #1757 on: February 02, 2022, 06:39:13 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/cpa-3-ways-savvy-crypto-investors-use-the-tax-code-to-their-advantage.html?fbclid=IwAR3Wz9fSoL0sbijmfemn-WIx0qrB6STun9QNF03yr-j0zpro9hN-labD7ag

Can't remember where I read it, maybe on the forum, but the tax implications of crypto (or any) investing might be the trigger that brings a number of young people over to the other political side.  I thought the tax code was complicated just to punish rich people.  WRONG.  Rich people maneuver it just fine.  It's there to screw YOU.  Just watch and see.

From the article: "Calculating the taxes you owe on your cryptocurrency and nonfungible token (NFT) activity can be difficult, especially if you have multiple wallets, use different exchanges or don’t use any software to track your transactions. That’s why, “generally speaking, people are afraid of taxes,” "

Right.  Welcome to my world (small time real estate investor).  It's not the amount of income taxes that gets me most; it's the difficulty of the whole thing along with the potentially life changing consequences of being wrong - in EITHER direction.

Last year's tax return, suddenly out of nowhere, asked the question yes or no, did you buy any cryptocurrency in the past year.  What?  You made no sale, made no income, and they are already tracking you?  I literally said "Thank God" aloud that I didn't make a teeny buy and could I honestly check the box NO.  They have enough to track on me.

The article goes on with three strategies: 

1. Tax loss harvesting.  Really?  Young, new investors need to start making extra, bogus trades just to work the tax code?  When the tax code CHANGES your behavior rather than just tabulating it, that's when they have gone too far.

What if you used bitcoin as a currency and had hundreds or thousands of transactions??

2. Short term vs. long term capital gains.  A gain from a hold of a year and a day is taxed the same as a gain from a hodl for decades investor, AND THE FULL INFLATION EFFECT IS TAXED, right as the avoiding the inflation, devaluation of the dollar is what you were trying to avoid.  Welcome to the club. new investors.  Are we going to have a 1031 exchange for Cryto??

3. Use Highest in, First out accounting method to minimize your current tax (AND MAXIMIZE YOUR DEFERRED TAX).  Good luck with this.

If you are young, naive about taxes, new at investing, and think tht if you bought at 20 and sold at 30 you made 10, you've got a whole lot of learning to catch up on VERY QUICKLY.

FYI to the fascist tax authorities.  People aren't investing in crypto.  They are divesting in dollars that are shrinking in value right before their eyes.  It is not a "gain" to avoid a loss.

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ethereum NTF And Solana hacks
« Reply #1760 on: February 05, 2022, 06:29:44 AM »
".According to an analysis from cybersecurity firm CertiK, the Wormhole attacker has seized at least $251 million worth of Ethereum, almost $47 million in Solana and upwards of $4 million in USDC (a stablecoin pegged to the price of the U.S. dollar). "

interesting this does not seem to hinder the /ethereum price which has been creeping back up

"Wormhole announced that the vulnerability had been patched and that all funds had been restored. "


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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1762 on: February 05, 2022, 07:46:39 PM »
CBDC's will be even worse, along with the planned kill switch on autos (no more convoys).

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1763 on: February 06, 2022, 05:56:10 AM »
Here's a great thread on seed phrases from Unchained Capital...go to their website, or https://twitter.com/unchainedcap/status/1486808675683610627


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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1765 on: February 06, 2022, 07:13:50 AM »
CBDC's will be even worse, along with the planned kill switch on autos (no more convoys).

There is nothing that can’t be defeated. The mass redpilling of the populations of what were seen as “free countries” can’t be undone.


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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1767 on: February 09, 2022, 04:55:41 AM »

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US government "crack down " coming ?
« Reply #1768 on: February 09, 2022, 07:18:31 AM »
the biggest problem is the

US government

and the US banks

who are not about to let this thing surpass them

maybe they cannot stop blockchain

but they can sure make it hard
with exorbitant taxation
and more and more monitoring :

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency

the excuses for this are to stop criminals (good - we want this )
and they want to "protect investors" (disingenuous smoke screen)

but the prime reason is to control us
and take us much from us to pay for their gov spending

and to protect the banks

even Trump is on board with it.









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~ 40% still "approve" of Biden?
« Reply #1772 on: February 11, 2022, 05:31:05 AM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2022/02/08/shock-poll-7-in-10-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck/?sh=48b9556855f6

it must be because their answer to this problem is that taxpayers should pay them hand outs.


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"modern" monetary policy.
« Reply #1774 on: February 13, 2022, 10:05:46 AM »
using the work "modern"

is just another LEFTist bullshit adjective:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/inflation-a-modern-fiscal-and-monetary-mess/

the Dems screwed us over. as usual.....

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1775 on: February 13, 2022, 06:03:49 PM »
Willy Woo commentary

Top level summary for 14th Feb 2022 (current price $42.2k):

Mid-macro: Unlike past bear phases, the last 3 months of downward price action was initiated by sell pressure on futures markets. Likely due to institutional investors holding onto their BTC while shorting the futures, this creates a net cash position while earning a decent “cash and carry” yield. The futures sell-down has not yet alleviated, until futures markets switch to buying, I am not expecting price to put in a strong recovery.

I would note that the recent recovery from a $33k bottom to as high as $45k happened in a period when futures alleviated their selling momentarily while market price was at peak levels of oversold relative to fundamental on-chain demand and supply (notified in letter #47). We are no longer at peak oversold levels so further upside is no longer a high certainty.

Macro: In terms of the broader macro cycle, the clock is ticking. “Macro investor” coins of 1-3 years of age has passed its minimum levels which typifies the bearish phase is concluding but not yet over. Meanwhile shorter term investors have mainly sold out signifying further sell pressure from spot investors is unlikely.

Structural summary: On-chain selling has alleviated, futures continues to sell, meanwhile in a macro timing cycle we are in a countdown to the next bullish phase.

Price action expectation: Ongoing sideways price action, later transitioning into an accumulation phase before a bull phase can happen.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1776 on: February 13, 2022, 08:10:31 PM »
Thank you YA.



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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1782 on: February 17, 2022, 08:15:40 PM »
something up with the Feds on crypto?

Gold near 1900 I notice

thought silver still stuck at 24 ish





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« Reply #1787 on: February 18, 2022, 03:59:20 PM »
I would more surprised if the Feds and banks do NOT screw crypto holders over royally
rather then the other way around

in that way the government screwing me over every which way would be complete
 :roll:


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Bitcoin to 10,000, Bitcoin to $1M, one of those two, maybe both
« Reply #1788 on: February 18, 2022, 05:10:05 PM »
quote author=ccp
bitcoin to 10,000
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/bitcoin-price-outlook-10000-2023-3-macro-headwinds-interest-rates-2022-2

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danrunkevicius/2022/02/17/buffetts-shocking-bitcoin-bet-supports-1m-bitcoin-price-prediction-meanwhile-bnb-solana-cardano-xrp-and-ethereum-prices-surge/?sh=29dd94167e6b

Buffet, 2020, he said: “cryptocurrencies basically have no value and they don’t produce anything,” adding “I don’t have any cryptocurrency and I never will.”

   - Sounds like what he might say before he buys it, get the price to rock bottom.  But still... it has no real value and produces nothing.

[2022] Buffet "sank $1 billion into a crypto-friendly neobank" -  whatever that means.

What should you buy in these uncertain times?   [I don't know.]

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Re: Bitcoin to 10,000, Bitcoin to $1M, one of those two, maybe both
« Reply #1789 on: February 18, 2022, 09:22:44 PM »
quote author=ccp
bitcoin to 10,000
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/bitcoin-price-outlook-10000-2023-3-macro-headwinds-interest-rates-2022-2

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danrunkevicius/2022/02/17/buffetts-shocking-bitcoin-bet-supports-1m-bitcoin-price-prediction-meanwhile-bnb-solana-cardano-xrp-and-ethereum-prices-surge/?sh=29dd94167e6b

Buffet, 2020, he said: “cryptocurrencies basically have no value and they don’t produce anything,” adding “I don’t have any cryptocurrency and I never will.”

   - Sounds like what he might say before he buys it, get the price to rock bottom.  But still... it has no real value and produces nothing.

[2022] Buffet "sank $1 billion into a crypto-friendly neobank" -  whatever that means.

What should you buy in these uncertain times?   [I don't know.]

Food, guns. ammo, medical supplies.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1790 on: February 19, 2022, 12:24:56 PM »
I would also add hopium

https://youtu.be/jfP36UG2uA4

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« Reply #1791 on: February 19, 2022, 01:12:40 PM »
This is an important 18 min video, must see.

https://youtu.be/5bd-8OA4c_U

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1792 on: February 19, 2022, 02:39:41 PM »
Let me remind us that Trump is on record as being totally against bitcoin

Compare this to Ron Desantis:

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/490771-cryptocurrency-dip-doesnt-dampen-gov-desantis-push-to-embrace-digital-money/

another reason we need him NOT Trump

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« Reply #1793 on: February 19, 2022, 03:26:06 PM »
Trump was important and will be a key player...but I doubt he will be coming back. Too divisive. DeSantis is my hope for the next Republican admin, who can be supported by the majority. Miami is a very Bitcoin friendly city, as is their Mayor Suarez. There is a Key annual BTC conference being held in Miami quite soon. Those who can should really try to attend.

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Interesting site for tracking conversion to BTC
« Reply #1794 on: February 19, 2022, 04:02:57 PM »
This is a fantastic site, to see how fiat is being converted to BTC in real time and other crypto https://fiatleak.com/btc
If you select, Euro and let it open for 5-10 min, you can see the BTC and other cryptos pouring into Poland (which borders Ukraine).
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« Reply #1796 on: February 21, 2022, 05:18:51 AM »
El Salvador is coming out with their Volcano Bonds between march 15-20. Its quite an interesting offering, in a yield starved world. I expect it to be oversubscribed, and from what I understand anyone can invest in it. Bukele is dangling citizenship, if you make a significant investment. If it is succesful, more such bonds will be launched. This year, so far, El Salv has experienced a 10 % + growth rate, the first time in its history. A lot of prominent bitcoiners are moving there, to build Bitcoin City, or participate in the El Salv BTC infrastructure build. A country which used to bleed immigrants, is now attracting them.

BTC is down at the moment, and billions of dollars continue to be invested in it. We are in the early days, 8 billion people, 21 million coins, it is math.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1797 on: February 21, 2022, 05:32:17 AM »
Check out the distribution of BTC amongst coin holders
https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

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« Reply #1799 on: February 21, 2022, 07:40:04 AM »