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Cog Dissonance, Left v. Left, Thomas Friedman on Minneapolis and Trump Biden
« Reply #1450 on: September 02, 2020, 05:52:45 AM »
Left v. Left.  Usually NYT content doesn't come up for me so it's a rare honor to read the great one. (sarc.)

1 or 2 things set me off in this and it raises more questions than it answers.

3 Pulitzer Prizes (TM)?  Isn't Pulitzer funded by the NYT?  Create your own Pulitzer prize winning column: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/create-your-own-thomas-friedman-op-ed-column

"The sky was yellow and the sun was blue."

All he's got here is an out of context comment from a Trump adviser on the way out and otherwise an entirely left on left disaster.  A city where the entire leadership went off the Left cliff making the entire party an open (and dangerous) joke.  Now Biden should disregard that his own party supports the violence, come in on a white horse and thread the safety in the streets needle.  Keep the police (who could have thought of that, oops everyone except the far Left Democrat leadership) but remove all the imaginary problems we have with them.  Joe will say "better training" and voila, the hard Left will retreat, just in time to win the election. 

With the leadership change in DC, Freidman imagines George Floyd never would have needed to pass a counterfeit bill, take twice the legal dose of fentanyl, resist arrest at least four times with four officers, or expose them all to covid without a mask.  He wouldn't have needed a senior officer called in to apply a hold that allowed a man half Floyd's size to restrain him with a technique taught in the manual written during five decades of Democrat control.  Anybody can see this is Trump's fault and we need new old leadership in Washington to get us back to exactly what got us here.

One question for the all knowing Great Carnac from NYC who looks back at his birthplace, why did the entire Jewish community where he was born flee North Minneapolis for the suburbs when the blacks came in and when Leftists took control of the city?  Was that Trump's fault too? 
https://www.mnopedia.org/event/civil-unrest-plymouth-avenue-minneapolis-1967
"We've been there before."

Residents oppose all this extremism but vote Ilhan Omar for Congress?  Good luck reconciling this mess by November.  Meanwhile six outstate Democratic mayors just endorsed Trump.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/opinion/biden-trump-police-minneapolis.html

For Biden to Win, Listen to Minneapolis
Not everyone is for defunding the police. Especially those in communities that would be most affected.

By Thomas L. Friedman
Opinion Columnist

Sept. 1, 2020

There’s one thing about the people on the Trump team that I almost admire: When they do blurt out the truth, they really tell you the truth — in a way that’s so raw you’re left asking, “Did they really say that out loud?”

That was certainly my thought when Kellyanne Conway declared last week, “The more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better it is for the very clear choice on who’s best on public safety and law and order.”

The better it is? How could anyone be “better” in America if we have more chaos, anarchy, vandalism and violence? It couldn’t be better — except for one man: Donald Trump.

Alas, it’s true: Every scene of rioting and looting is probably worth 10,000 votes for Trump’s re-election campaign. Just ask Kellyanne.

So, Joe Biden has a real challenge on his hands. To mobilize the majority he needs to credibly assure enough voters that he takes both the violence seriously and its social, policing and economic roots seriously. His “looting is not protesting” speech in Pittsburgh on Monday was a good start.

If you want to understand just what a challenge Biden faces in this election, though, study the struggle in my hometown, Minneapolis, over policing. It’s a face-off between some unlikely foes and, so, it reveals deep truths.

On one side are the super liberals on the Minneapolis City Council. They voted in June, after George Floyd’s death at the hands of the local police, to begin a process to remove the requirement of the City Charter to maintain a police department. It would be replaced with “a department of community safety and violence prevention,” with a director who would have “non-law enforcement experience in community safety services, including but not limited to public health and/or restorative justice approaches.” A division of “licensed peace officers” would answer to that director.

Among those opposing this change is a budding coalition of Black and white community leaders from North Minneapolis, the historical home of the Minneapolis Black community. (I was born in the Northside in 1953 when it was also the home of the Jewish community.) They are unnerved by the notion of dismantling the police force for a vague alternative at a time when their neighborhood has experienced a surge in gang shootings, lootings and drug dealing — all exacerbated by the pandemic, spiraling unemployment and demoralized police officers, who, after the Floyd killing, don’t always have the numbers or the will to show up.

On Aug. 18, this coalition — four Black and four white families from North Minneapolis — filed suit against the City Council and the mayor, Jacob Frey, to compel them to maintain the legal minimum of police officers on the Minneapolis force. The families contend that the Council’s actions have driven out too many police officers and curtailed the hiring of replacements, endangering their neighborhood.

Don’t get them wrong, the plaintiffs argue, they want thoughtful and deep police reform. But they want both a better police force and enough police officers to protect their kids and their streets — not either the present unreformed police or a disbanded police department and an uncertain replacement.

The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported on Aug. 1 that since the killing of George Floyd in late May, the city’s police force is down at least 100 officers, more than 10 percent of the force, “straining department resources amid a wave of violence.” The department, the newspaper added, is budgeted for 888 officers this year, but could lose as much as a third of its work force by year’s end — through resignations, firings and medical leave for post-traumatic stress from the violence that followed Floyd’s death.

In an Aug. 24 op-ed in The Star Tribune, Sondra and Don Samuels, two of the Black plaintiffs, explained why they are suing. I know them both, and they are deeply involved in improving their Northside neighborhood. Sondra is the chief executive of the Northside Achievement Zone, and Don, her husband, is a former City Council member, former Minneapolis school board member and chief executive of Microgrants, a local nonprofit.

“We want radical police reform, where all citizens are treated as fully human by all cops, and not just by the ‘good ones’ we all know well,” they wrote. “We support the reform moves of the mayor and chief, which include community alternatives to policing that work hand-in-hand with our police force.”

But, they added: “We will not sacrifice the safety of our community in the pursuit of the City Council’s lofty goals with no plan to back them up. In the months since George Floyd’s murder, we have seen an explosion in crime and homicides. Five of us live just a few houses apart. Four of us have children in our homes. Here’s what we’ve experienced on our block alone over the last two months:

“A mother’s car was shot up with eight bullets, with her infant on board. Another car was shot four times. A bullet went through the front door and a wall of our neighbor’s home. A woman was kicked and stomped within inches of her life in the middle of the street. The drug trade has been revived in two homes, to unprecedented levels, with conflicts resulting in fights and shootouts.”

Their neighbors, they warned, “are leaving their Northside homes to stay with relatives to keep their children safe. Neighbors have put their house up for sale and others are considering it for the first time.”

This is the bottom line: “By charter the Council must maintain a per capita force in the mid-700s of active duty officers. While this is not enough for our needs, we worry that the Council’s naïve intent is to take us well below this number. And we are not having it. If the leadership of the city cannot muster the wisdom to keep us safe, it must muster the compliance to obey the law that is designed to do so.”

Besides big stores, like Saks and Nordstrom, which were vandalized last week in downtown Minneapolis — after rumors spread that the police had shot a Black man, who, it turned out, had actually committed suicide — a slew of Northside businesses owned by people of color were looted or vandalized during the George Floyd protests, and many owners are now afraid to rebuild.

Think about the Northside Achievement Zone that Sondra runs. It’s working with parents, students and local partners in predominantly Black North Minneapolis to end multigenerational poverty through education and fostering family stability. It’s been a real engine for building healthy community and enabling Black Americans to realize their full potential. But it can’t work in chaos.

“We have to be able to say both that Black lives matter and that protests that turn violent cannot be allowed to tear up our city,” Sondra said to me.

But we have to say a third thing, she continued — it’s what Martin Luther King Jr. said in the late 1960s, and it’s as relevant today as it was then.

King decried riots as “self-defeating,” but he also pointed out that “a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. … It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. It has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquillity and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay.”

Economic progress and social justice, King argued, “are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.”

Which is why Biden, if he frames it right, can be the real “law and order” candidate in this election. Because he’s not for disbanding the police, but for improving them — which is how you build respect for the law from everyone — and because Biden knows that sustainable order can only come from a president who wants to build healthy and just communities, not from a president who thinks it’s “better” for him politically if they’re torn apart.

Thomas L. Friedman is the foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist. He joined the paper in 1981, and has won three Pulitzer Prizes. He is the author of seven books, including “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award. @tomfriedman • Facebook

A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 2, 2020, Section A, Page 26 of the New York edition with the headline: For Biden to Win, Listen to Minneapolis.
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Pelosi: "I was set up"
« Reply #1454 on: September 02, 2020, 02:59:12 PM »
"Laws are for little people"

and when the big shot gets caught on camera breaking a law - it is the little people's fault - not hers:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-fights-back-the-salon-owes-me-an-apology-for-setting-me-up

Pelosi: NO ONE is above the law !!!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/05/nancy-pelosi-full-trump-impeachment-statement

She is thinking she IS the law
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democrat lawyers twisting story
« Reply #1456 on: September 03, 2020, 03:50:54 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hair-salon-fall-nancy-pelosi-000259729.html

Does not matter, Pelosi knew or should have known the laws .   


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Nick Sandmann still being harrassed by the Left
« Reply #1457 on: September 08, 2020, 10:55:42 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/aclu-official-attacks-university-accepting-142340912.html

by this little boy:

ACLU’s Samuel Crankshaw. - ACLU for freedom of speech - except for conservative speech

and by this "diversity professor ":

https://www.transy.edu/academics/faculty/atompkins/

wow I just realized AVery is a guy !    :-o



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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, wildfires
« Reply #1459 on: September 13, 2020, 09:14:36 AM »
1. Forest Management.  Who opposes this?  The Left.
2. Naturally occurring?  Denial from the Left.  It's all global warming.  Does anyone on the west coast know that we've been getting steady and frequent rainfall here in the Midwest?
3. Human set fires?  Are these liberty loving free market advocates setting fire to forests, or are they the same Leftists that are burning our cities?

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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Retrospective Bigotteering
« Reply #1460 on: September 15, 2020, 04:57:26 PM »
Accusing people of the past of violating today's norms.

Retrospective bigotteering.
Soon we will cancel every building designed by a nonvegetarian architect.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1305412753377693696/photo/1

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Who could have seen this coming?
« Reply #1462 on: September 20, 2020, 08:19:56 PM »

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Re: Who could have seen this coming?
« Reply #1463 on: September 21, 2020, 10:18:31 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vlFI40RvwI&feature=emb_logo

Funny how that works...

Minneapolis North High School Principal:

I think we can assume she was a liberal - before being "mugged". 

She is upset with the Democrat Far Left City Council and with the Governor's lock out orders.  She can't do this without leaving her job, but it would really be something to see her endorse Trump for President and Jason Lewis for Senate and tell her story of being a former liberal and how that didn't work.  The Democrat apple cart has been tipped over.  In MN they are called DFL, formerly the coalition of Democrat, Farmer and Labor.  They have already lost the farmers.  They lost labor.  Now they are losing Democrats.

The Principal:
"We are literally in a city right now that is completely and entirely out of control."

"The people in my community need and want good law enforcement."

We can't take it anymore."

"If you don't see this video later it's probably because I said too much."


When is a responsible person telling the truth saying too much?

Minneapolis had a law enforcement mayor, Charles Stenvig, Independent.  He left office in 1977.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stenvig
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I've tried for a few decades to tell my liberal friends first hand what is happening in the inner city and the say to me, you need to get out of there.  They don't get it.  I can get out but this IS what's happening in the inner city.  Your (liberal) systems are screwing up incentives to get educated and support your family, destroying the family and the community, destroying enterprise, feeding crime, filling prisons and creating a downward spiral of dependency.  Every proposal they make is to do more of the same.  What was the law of holes again?  Stop digging!  Treat THESE people like people.  If you're able to work, work.  If school starts at 8, be there at 8.  If the sign says stop, stop.  If the officer says keep your hands where I can see them, do that.  If you don't pay the rent, you're out.  And so on.

But no...
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Donny Deutsch
« Reply #1464 on: September 24, 2020, 03:09:17 PM »
You ain't Jewish if you don't for for Biden!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2020/09/24/non-partisan-jewish-group-condemns-msnbcs-donny-deutsch-for-attack-on-pro-trump-jews/

Despite Trump doing more for Israel than any other president in American History
and his own son in law being from an orthodox family.


"come on man , look at the data!"

yes , Deutsch should be fired but at MSLSD he will likely get a promotion
or another NYC marketing deal from some Goldman Sachs liberal.

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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, De-fund, dismantle, re-imagine Police work
« Reply #1465 on: September 29, 2020, 10:14:52 AM »
Citizen-Police interactions
« Reply #510 on: May 29, 2020, 09:55:42 PM »,  Crafty_Dog
Neck hold was approved policy
https://www.lawofficer.com/neck-hold-used-by-minneapolis-officer-was-approved-by-department-policy/
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Since May 29, we have known on the forum that the neck hold is a trained and approved [in limited circumstances!] Mpls police technique.  Everyone seeing the Floyd video agrees such an extreme measure wasn't needed or appropriate.

A rational response might be to update the manual and training of approved hold techniques:
http://www2.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

Left response is burn the whole thing down.  Among the results, violence, arson, exodus of police office officers nationwide, and a 40% increase in inner city violent crime.

None of this was necessary, [you morons].

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Re: Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, De-fund, dismantle, re-imagine Police work
« Reply #1466 on: September 29, 2020, 11:39:15 AM »
Citizen-Police interactions
« Reply #510 on: May 29, 2020, 09:55:42 PM »,  Crafty_Dog
Neck hold was approved policy
https://www.lawofficer.com/neck-hold-used-by-minneapolis-officer-was-approved-by-department-policy/
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Since May 29, we have known on the forum that the neck hold is a trained and approved [in limited circumstances!] Mpls police technique.  Everyone seeing the Floyd video agrees such an extreme measure wasn't needed or appropriate.

A rational response might be to update the manual and training of approved hold techniques:
http://www2.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

Left response is burn the whole thing down.  Among the results, violence, arson, exodus of police office officers nationwide, and a 40% increase in inner city violent crime.

None of this was necessary, [you morons].

It is necessary, for their intended destruction of the United States of America.

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Cognitive Dissonance of the left, Dems vs Amy Barrett
« Reply #1467 on: October 12, 2020, 06:39:55 AM »
She will take away your health care.  Oh good grief!  How?  By upholding the constitution, as written, to the best of her ability?

Better idea:  Design American health care to fall within the constitutional framework of the republic.  Or amend the constitution if you don't like it.

When confirmed, she will swear to God to uphold the constitution.  You would rather have her do what?  Uphold liberal and Marxist dogma against the framework that holds our country together?


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #1469 on: October 13, 2020, 06:15:23 PM »
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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #1470 on: October 13, 2020, 06:37:31 PM »
Senator Dick Durbin in hearings, felons should not be allowed to own guns, even felons of nonviolent offenses, because they are too likely to commit a violent gun crime.

Democrats in governance, let felons vote!

THAT makes sense to whom?

Nothing but ends justify means for these people, never a stand based on principle.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #1471 on: October 27, 2020, 06:10:35 AM »
I hate to misquote Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer but did he just say, the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation is a big setback for generations of aborted fetuses?

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According to...
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Not a fan of Q, but...
« Reply #1473 on: October 31, 2020, 05:28:22 PM »
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Re: Boomers and social media
« Reply #1475 on: November 01, 2020, 11:48:26 AM »

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The left ALWAYS eats it's own
« Reply #1476 on: November 10, 2020, 07:45:36 PM »

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Liberal Larry
« Reply #1477 on: November 11, 2020, 03:14:17 PM »
hard to believe this guy is some big shot Harvard Constitutional law professor

he sounds like a total idiot:
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/laurence-tribe-donald-trump-2020-election-denial-115940835.html

talk of TDS





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Tesla being extorted as everywhere in society
« Reply #1482 on: December 05, 2020, 01:04:02 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/tesla-elon-musk-diversity-workforce/2020/12/05/id/1000198/

don't know or care about how many dwarves (or other identity groups they can dream up) they have in their employee base

who would fly in space ship with that is put together by people chosen by a bunch of diversity masters degrees  in social justice ?

not me.


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second post
« Reply #1483 on: December 05, 2020, 01:08:17 PM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/12/05/founding-fathers-of-silicon-valley-give-up-on-california-move-to-texas-n1193826

Mark Levin made the point how so many people are fleeing the totally corrupt government controlled states to those less so

but that the ones who are Democrats are not changing their voting preferences and then vote for the same type of government they just escaped from

turning all out states blue. How stupid

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« Reply #1485 on: December 07, 2020, 06:42:41 PM »

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #1486 on: December 08, 2020, 06:07:07 AM »
Republicans should vote for Democrat appointees?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-has-the-right-to-name-his-own-cabinet/ar-BB1bGbYF

Hypocrisy and projection lead as the principles of the Left.

Roll back the clock 4 years and see how Democrats voted for or against opposition Presidential appointees.
Cf.  All but 5 Democrats voted against Secretary of State Pompeo.  Was he unqualified?  No.  All 5 were Democrat Senators serving in states that Trump won, fighting mostly unsuccessfully for their own survival.

Sens. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Bill Nelson of Florida, Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Doug Jones of Alabama.

Not one Democrat secure in his or her own position voted for a perfectly qualified Secretary of State.

Resist.

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The Resistance!
« Reply #1488 on: December 11, 2020, 11:21:44 AM »

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can't have spokesperson be so blunt
« Reply #1490 on: December 18, 2020, 09:31:58 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kathleen-rice-picked-over-ocasio-034743532.html

Dems need to continue the charade they are not radical and are centrist

but today the entire party is radical

another likely point is the big money keeps AOC down
 sounds like big money racism ............

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pelosi to Wolf Blitzer how dare you question me
« Reply #1491 on: December 22, 2020, 02:16:50 PM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/22/nancy-pelosi-goes-on-cnn-and-has-a-meltdown-too-amazing-to-miss-n1224780

Pelosi and biden can't even answer without blowing their stacks a SINGLE question that questions them.

Compare this to Trump and what he had to endure every single day nonstop

polls who Ga races close ?

or is it the same BULLSHIT game of the pollsters screwing with the numbers
if we lose the Senate
and i have to sit here and watch my country being confiscated
and given away .......

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Re: pelosi to Wolf Blitzer how dare you question me
« Reply #1492 on: December 22, 2020, 02:27:36 PM »
We don't have an American Republic anymore.


Plan accordingly.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/12/22/nancy-pelosi-goes-on-cnn-and-has-a-meltdown-too-amazing-to-miss-n1224780

Pelosi and biden can't even answer without blowing their stacks a SINGLE question that questions them.

Compare this to Trump and what he had to endure every single day nonstop

polls who Ga races close ?

or is it the same BULLSHIT game of the pollsters screwing with the numbers
if we lose the Senate
and i have to sit here and watch my country being confiscated
and given away .......

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Re: pelosi to Wolf Blitzer how dare you question me
« Reply #1493 on: December 22, 2020, 05:58:32 PM »
Blitzer: "...it’s about millions of Americans who can’t put food on the table, who can’t pay the rent and are having trouble…

Pelosi: "And we represent them. (Blitzer attempts to respond and Pelosi gets repetitive) And we represent them. And we represent them. And we represent them. We know them. We represent them and we know them. We know them. We represent them, yes."
 
  - That's worse than repetitive.  She is saying it again over every time he tries to speak, trying to prevent any other message from getting out.  Opposite of freedom of speech, opposite of having and interview.  Nothing unapproved can be asked. Like with any politburo or dictator.  Like G M said, it's not a republic anymore.  Only thing she doesn't say is off with his head.  Cancel culture takes the modern place of that. Off with his show.

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VDH: now we have Biden - the story line has flipped over
« Reply #1494 on: December 24, 2020, 05:09:17 AM »
This guy is so amazing

he can write witty insightful articles on a daily basis summing up in a way no other can do:

https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2020/12/24/our-upsidedown-postelection-world-n2582040

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #1495 on: December 24, 2020, 10:40:20 AM »
VDH is awesome.

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OMFG now we have ***toxic individualism***
« Reply #1496 on: December 31, 2020, 07:44:39 AM »
the left has come up with new phrase now

hollywood tony eluded to this as well saying something like Americans views on self reliance and indivisualism etc are a problem

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow

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Re: OMFG now we have ***toxic individualism***
« Reply #1497 on: December 31, 2020, 12:28:35 PM »
the left has come up with new phrase now

hollywood tony eluded to this as well saying something like Americans views on self reliance and indivisualism etc are a problem

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow

OMG. The war of words IS the war and they are winning.  How about the obvious, toxic governmentalism?

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Cognitive Dissonance of the left, unprecedented, except Dems in Jan 2005...
« Reply #1498 on: December 31, 2020, 12:30:46 PM »
Senate Dems on Barbara Boxer's objection, Jan. 2005

Hillary: "I commend the senator from California for raising the objection"
Ted Kennedy: "I commend and thank our friend for giving us this opportunity"
Harry Reid: "I applaud my friend"
Dick Durbin: "I thank her for doing it"

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1344349659431645185

What could they object to in the 2004 election?