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Re: Syria
« Reply #352 on: December 10, 2024, 09:15:44 AM »
what do you make of US military, and administration (all Obamanites)  support of bombing Central Syrian ISIS strongholds now?

Seems like they learned their lesson

What is not clear to me is Trump's proclamation for US to stay out of this.

I believe attacking ISIS strongholds seems like a good idea.  Better late then never.

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Re: Syria
« Reply #353 on: December 10, 2024, 09:19:06 AM »
Many moving parts here, and it is not clear to me what our end game is or should be.

As an Israeli friend said to me,


"Most knowledgable people in Israel hope it is a long hard fight and that no one wins. For Israel there isn't preference."

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Re: Syria
« Reply #355 on: December 12, 2024, 05:45:17 AM »
Some things to keep in mind here:

1: As we noted here at the time, the Euros fuct the Turks by not taking Syrian refugees as promised back during , , , what was it , , , the fall of the ISIS Caliphate?  Turkey has MILLIONS of Syrian refugees and understandably is highly motivated to get them back to Syria.

2: Turkey is pro-Ukraine.

3:  The apparent AQ type leader of the rebels so far is not taking revenge, instead is in meetings with various folks, including Assad officials of the sort who keep the fundementals running.


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FO: Russian Navy flees, big implications
« Reply #357 on: December 12, 2024, 08:09:33 AM »
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(6) U.S. NAVY: RUSSIAN SHIPS FLEE SYRIA: The U.S. Navy produced satellite photos showing six Russian Navy vessels had left port in Tartus, Syria as part of a larger Russian Armed Forces exodus following Assad’s ouster.
The Navy claims Tartus and the Russian air base in Latakia were critical points for Russian operations in Africa.
Why It Matters: Tartus was one of two warm water ports available to the Russian Navy, the other being Sevastopol in the Black Sea. Now, during winter months, Western powers could potentially shut down the Black Sea, severely limiting Russian power projection operations and trade. This is a significant diplomatic weapon that could be used to end the war in Ukraine and deter Russian assistance to China in the event of a Pacific war. – J.V.

(7) Global Rollup
Israel claims to have destroyed the Syrian fleet in a large-scale military operation. “The Israel Defense Forces are working in Syria over the past few days to damage and destroy strategic capabilities that threaten the State of Israel,” Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said, following a 48-hour bombing campaign. Since Assad’s ouster, Israel has conducted over 350 strikes against “strategic targets” in Syria, including missile depots, air fields, and naval vessels. Katz estimates Israel has destroyed approximately 70 to 80 percent of the former Assad regime’s strategic military capabilities.


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WSJ: Kurds getting fuct again?
« Reply #359 on: December 13, 2024, 08:11:29 AM »


U.S. Ally Halts Fight Against Islamic State in Syria as It Battles Rebel Group
Commander of Kurdish-led forces says attacks by Turkish-backed rebels undermine its ability to suppress militants
By Lara Seligman
Gordon Lubold
in Baghdad
Updated Dec. 13, 2024 9:39 am ET


Washington’s main ally in Syria warned that a power vacuum in the country was leading to attacks on the group by Turkish-backed rebels, forcing it to halt its yearslong campaign against Islamic State.

Since the fall of Bashar al-Assad’s regime, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces have been battling rebels backed by Turkey. The head of the SDF, which controls about a third of the country, called on its U.S. backers to press Turkey to rein in the rebel groups it supports, and help enforce a recently agreed cease-fire.

“I hope the U.S. will exert sufficient political pressure in order to stop these attacks against our region,” said SDF commander Gen. Mazloum Abdi through a translator in an interview on Thursday. “So far it’s not enough.”

The collapse of the Syrian government has put the SDF in a precarious position. The civil war enabled the group to carve out an enclave in the northeast and win U.S. support to suppress Islamic State after a successful joint mission to rout the militants’ self-proclaimed caliphate.

Syria’s Many Factions
The groups contending to shape Syria's future
The groups contending to shape Syria's future
But Assad’s fall has bolstered the influence of Turkey, which opposes the SDF and U.S. support for it, and has longstanding ties to the rebels now leading Syria. That is testing U.S. commitment to its partner in the country, where President-elect Donald Trump has said America shouldn’t involve itself.

A group of rebels called Hayat Tahrir al-Sham led the main offensive on Assad’s forces, capturing a series of Syrian cities in less than two weeks. Separately, other rebels, backed by Turkey, went on the offensive against the SDF in the north of the country, where the two sides compete for territory on Turkey’s southern border.

The attacks against it have compelled the SDF to halt operations to counter Islamic State and transfer some of its prisoners to more-stable areas, including from the city of Manbij, where fighting has been most intense, southeast to Raqqa, said Abdi.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken traveled to Turkey on Thursday to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss Syria’s future and seek assurances that Ankara will be circumspect in its operations against the Kurdish fighters. The SDF also guards detention centers across the country that hold tens of thousands of Islamic State fighters and their families. But Turkey considers the group, which has ties to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, as terrorists.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry on Friday said joint priorities with the U.S. were “ending [Islamic State] and PKK dominance there.”

The U.S. has more than 900 troops operating in northeast and eastern Syria, and U.S. officials have said they would remain there to focus on efforts to counter Islamic State. U.S. Central Command this week said the U.S. conducted an extensive airstrike campaign against Islamic State that included more than 75 strikes.

Blinken on Friday visited Baghdad in an unannounced stop on a trip aimed at shoring up support for a transitional government in Syria. He was expected to speak with Iraqi officials about the need to support a Syrian government that is inclusive, supports human rights of minority groups and works to prevent Syria from being used by Islamic State or other terrorist groups.

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a U.S.-designated terrorist group, has promised to protect all minorities in Syria including the Kurds. But the group has longstanding relations with Turkey and on Thursday received the country’s intelligence chief, Ibrahim Kalin, in Damascus.

“For sure that concerns us,” said Abdi. “They will try to push the new authorities in Damascus to…serve their interests in Syria, which are clearly against us.”


Syrians gather in celebration days after the fall of Bashar al-Assad’s government in Damascus. Photo: Leo Correa/Associated Press
The SDF wants to send a delegation to Damascus to discuss its place in the new Syria, Abdi said. The two groups have already coordinated on a practical level. The SDF handed over control of the eastern city of Deir Ezzour to the rebels earlier this week after moving into it when Syrian government forces fled.

Abdi asked the U.S. to help ensure the self-governing region was included in the political process in post-Assad Syria. Its political administration should be represented in the new government and the SDF must be part of the country’s armed forces, he said.

“What we are seeking is a decentralized administration in Syria,” Abdi said. “We do not need a central power to govern the entire country.”

The rights of Syria’s minorities should be enshrined in Syria’s constitution, he said. Under Assad, the Kurds—Syria’s largest non-Arab minority—faced repression of political and cultural rights.

The coming change of U.S. administration compounds the concerns of the SDF. In his first term as president, Trump partially withdrew U.S. forces from northeast Syria in 2019, clearing the way for Turkey and its proxies to drive the group out of a strip of territory along Syria’s northern border, displacing thousands of Kurds.

“The U.S. presence here is pretty important for stability and security and the protection of our people,” Abdi said.

The rebels forced the SDF out of the northern city of Manbij and are attacking the Kurdish-majority city of Kobani, which lies on the northern border with Turkey, as well as the Tishrin dam on the Euphrates River, he said. His forces faced continued drone and artillery strikes there this week despite a U.S. brokered cease-fire, Abdi said.

The Biden administration has been scrambling to help shape a new Syrian-led transition government, with Blinken also traveling to Jordan on Thursday to meet with King Abdullah and other officials.

Blinken, on what might be one of his last trips to the region while in office, stressed that a transition government has to be for the Syrian people and ultimately created by them. But that requires the help of friendly countries in the region who are willing to support the transitional government, he said.

“These are principles that would be designed to reflect the needs, the aspirations, the will of the Syrian people,” Blinken said at the airport Thursday before boarding a military jet for his next stop, Ankara. “Not to dictate what they should do but to make sure they have the opportunity to follow their own path.”

Blinken’s plan is predicated on some key elements. They include minority rights, a focus on humanitarian operations to help the people of Syria and building a transition government that would prevent the country from becoming a base from which terrorist groups could operate.

Blinken said he is having conversations about what such a government could look like, but indicated it was too soon to outline its contours. “Stay tuned,” he said.

Write to Lara Seligman at lara.seligman@wsj.com, Isabel Coles at isabel.coles@wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at gordon.lubold@wsj.com



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« Reply #365 on: December 19, 2024, 08:07:31 AM »


(10) TURKEY DENIES CEASEFIRE, CONTRADICTING U.S.: A Turkish Defense Ministry official claims there is no ceasefire deal between Turkey and the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), contradicting a recent U.S. State Department announcement that Washington had secured a ceasefire set to expire at the end of the week.
Washington brokered an initial ceasefire between Turkish-backed militias and SDF last week, after fighting broke out between the two groups, but the deal has expired.
SDF has accused Turkey of undermining international efforts to achieve a ceasefire. “The Turkish occupation and its mercenaries did not abide by the decision and continued their attacks on the southern front of the city of Kobani,” said the SDF in a statement.
The Turkish Defense Ministry official said Turkey still sees a threat to its borders from Kurdish groups in north Syria, when asked whether Ankara was still considering a ground operation into Syria.
Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan has encouraged the United Nations, United States, and European Union to remove Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) from their lists of terrorist groups, with HTS leader Abu Mohammed al-Jolani pledging to establish a “strategic relationship” with Turkey. Turkey provided HTS with funds, equipment, and weapons prior to Assad’s ouster.
Why It Matters: Turkey is trying to pressure the U.S. into recognizing HTS, its favored faction in the rebel coalition, while increasing Ankara’s leverage over the government in Damascus. Turkey is intent on securing strategic positions along its southern border and dismantling Kurdish resistance there. It is likely that Jolani will cooperate with Turkey as it pursues these objectives, putting the U.S. in a difficult position of opposing both Ankara and Damascus. – M.N.

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GPF: Syria- Tukey and Israel
« Reply #366 on: December 19, 2024, 08:48:31 AM »
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In Syria, the Future Depends on Turkey and Israel
With Iran out, the Turks and Israelis are the biggest power brokers – and competitors.
By: Kamran Bokhari

The fall of the Syrian regime degraded Iran’s position in the country and, in doing so, has made Syria a battleground for the competition between Turkey and Israel. The two have a shared interest in keeping Syria from becoming a power vacuum, but they have different perceptions of the threats a new power poses to them. For Turkey, the threat is from Kurdish separatists; for Israel, from Sunni jihadists. The future of the conflict will depend largely on how each pursues its imperatives and tries to overcome its respective constraints.

On Dec. 18, Israel rejected Turkish objections to its military actions in Syria. A day earlier, the Turkish Foreign Ministry had criticized Israel for expanding settlements in the Golan Heights, calling it part of Israel’s “expansion of borders through occupation.” In its response on X, the Israeli Foreign Ministry condemned Turkey for its own military presence in northern Syria and for “Turkish aggression and violence” against Syrian Kurds. Separately, during a visit to Mount Hermon in Syria, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the military will remain in a buffer zone inside Syria that Israel Defense Forces seized until another arrangement is in place “that ensures Israel’s security.”

Syria’s new Turkish-supported leader, Ahmad al-Sharaa, better known as Abu Mohammed al-Golani, has said the new Syrian state that his group, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, is trying to create doesn’t seek any confrontation with Israel. He has said that all armed rebel factions will be dissolved and that their members will be integrated into state security organs. Even so, Israel is likely to remain suspicious of HTS; it’s a Sunni jihadist group with a history of ties with al-Qaida and the Islamic State group. From the Israeli point of view, Israel lives under constant threat of attacks from Islamist groups that consolidate power on its borders.

Therefore, the IDF is unlikely to withdraw to its side of the border anytime soon. And even if it pulled back to the ceasefire line of 1973, Israel would still be occupying the Golan Heights, which will be a long-term fault line with any government that takes power in Damascus. At this point, it is not even clear that HTS and the other rebel groups can land on a power-sharing agreement on their own, much less with the country’s many minority groups. Thus is Israel’s dilemma: It cannot afford anarchy in Syria, but neither can it afford a government that is dominated by Islamists.

To prevent that from happening, it will need to coordinate with Turkey. They continue to have close diplomatic ties despite the downturn in their relationship under the Erdogan government – the main backer of the HTS-led coalition that toppled the Syrian regime. Unlike Iran, whose radical regional agenda led to the confrontation with Israel during much of 2024 and resulted in the collapse of the Assad regime, Turkey has no desire for conflict with Israel. But Ankara does want to be the leader of the region and the broader Muslim world – an ambition that will necessarily put it at odds with Israel, especially amid the ongoing fallout of the Oct. 7 attacks.

Until then, Ankara will have its work cut out for it in Syria. In the short and medium term, it will prioritize the formation of a stable government in Damascus and the suppression of Kurdish separatism. The problem is that the latter undermines the former. The U.S.-backed, Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces control large swathes of territory, stretching from Syria’s northeastern border with Turkey southward to the Euphrates River.

Territorial Control in Syria - December 2024

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Turkey wants to push the SDF from its border and help HTS and other Sunni Arab groups to take control of the Arab-majority areas along the Euphrates – the areas the Syrian Kurds took over after the defeat of the Islamic State. Put differently, Ankara wants to shrink the area over which Syrian Kurds have held dominion for a decade. Ultimately, Turkey will probably want to incorporate the Syrian Kurds into a federal political structure along the lines of what happened in Iraq following the 2003 U.S. invasion to topple Saddam Hussein’s regime. But in sharp contrast with what happened a generation ago in post-Saddam Iraq, the United States is not willing to commit too many resources to Syria. The Erdogan government is hoping that it can reach an understanding with the incoming Trump administration regarding its concerns about the SDF.

Regardless, so long as Turkey remains hostile to the Syrian Kurds, it will be unable to achieve its objective of having Sunni Arab proxies forge a sustainable new political order in Damascus. This creates the kind of chaos in which the Islamic State could revive and thrive. Israel has an incentive to help the Syrian Kurds, provided they can be used as leverage against Turkey. And Iran, degraded though it may be, retains influence in Syria and will do everything it can to prevent Sunni Arab empowerment in eastern Syria from spreading across the border into Sunni Arab-majority areas of western Iraq, where it could pose a challenge to the Shiite-dominated regime in Baghdad.

There are many reasons Turkey and Israel could cooperate in managing Syria. But there are as many things that could lead them to conflict. In the long run, Syria will be what these two regional powers can agree on

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GPF: Ungovernable Syria
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Why Syria Remains Ungovernable
Assad’s ouster hasn’t erased the deep social and religious divides.
By: Hilal Khashan

Syria was for centuries a meeting place for disparate civilizations and cultures, turning it into one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries in the Middle East today. This history of fragmentation resulted in deep-rooted social and regional divides, which stand as insurmountable obstacles to building a political society capable of decision-making on a national scale.

But the leader of the insurgent group that earlier this month toppled the regime of Bashar Assad has painted a different picture of the country’s past. Immediately after Hayat Tahrir al-Sham entered Damascus, Ahmad al-Sharaa began conducting interviews with Western officials and media outlets in which he repeatedly and falsely alleged that Syria’s history was an example of coexistence and commitment to institutional rule. These remarks are consistent with his attempts to reform the image of HTS itself, which he renamed in 2017 from al-Nusra Front, a jihadist movement he founded in 2012. He also recently abandoned his nom de guerre, Abu Mohammed al-Golani, as he worked to secure the group’s removal from international terrorism lists, adopting a moderate political approach and reassuring Syria’s diverse opposition groups and various concerned international parties about his intentions. But the country’s history of disunity and fractiousness makes it doubtful that al-Golani will succeed in charting a peaceful path for Syria’s future.

History of Sectarianism

Syria’s current population is estimated to be roughly 24 million, though no official statistics have been collected since the outbreak of the 2011 uprising. Sunni Arabs constitute 60 percent of the population, while Alawites, Kurds and Turkmen each make up 10 percent. The remaining population is made up of various other religious and ethnic groups including Druze, Christians, Shiites, Armenians, Yazidis and Assyrians. After the civil war began, about one-third of the country’s population, mostly Sunnis and Christians, was displaced, as the Syrian regime sought to fundamentally alter the country’s demography to its favor.

Since its independence in 1943, Syria has had nine successful military coups (seven carried out by Sunnis and the last two by Alawites) and 22 failed ones (conducted mostly by Sunnis but also by Druze, Alawites, Shiites and others). This pattern eventually weakened the Sunnis’ domination of the military, paving the way for the Alawites (including the Assad family) to control the country’s political and military institutions. But even before the establishment of present-day Syria, it had a long history of rebellion against the ruling authority. Between the 1940s and the early 1960s, competing ideological, religious and ethnic groups shaped the political landscape in which the army played a decisive role. Public demonstrations and strikes were also key parts of Syrian politics.

In 1954, Syrian strongman Adib Shishakli, who grabbed power in a 1949 coup, launched a bloody campaign against the Druze – who had received weapons from the Hashemites in Iraq and Jordan – in the province of Sweida. Like the Hashemites, the Druze (who had strong ties to the British) supported a scheme to unite Syria with Iraq and Jordan to establish a pro-Western, pan-Arab political entity north of the Arabian Peninsula. The close-knit Druze community has distinct customs, traditions and culture. When it comes to Syria’s political dysfunction, Druze leaders have adopted a policy of neutrality, which has created an impression that they are unconcerned with the state of Syrian politics. Since the start of the Syrian war, opposition groups, especially Islamist ones, have paid little attention to groups like the Druze, but this wasn’t the case for the Syrian regime. Former President Hafez Assad did not trust them, shrinking the Druze-majority Sweida province from 11,000 square kilometers to 6,000 square kilometers and cutting it off from the outside world. And in the last year of Bashar Assad’s rule, the Druze initiated an uprising in which they raised the Druze flag.

Meanwhile, the Kurds have also faced oppression since the early 1960s. In 1962, Syrian authorities stripped 120,000 Kurds of their Syrian citizenship in a population census conducted in Hasakah province. However, when Assad pulled the Syrian army out of Kurdish areas in 2012 to deal with the uprising, the Kurds were able to establish the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. The Kurdish Democratic Union Party declared that Arabs and Assyrians could also live in the autonomous region and join the Syrian Democratic Forces, even though the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) dominated the SDF.

Arab Islamist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood, considered Kurdish civil and political society separate from their own project to Islamize the country. They concluded that total elimination of the Kurdish movement was unavoidable, as any space for Kurdish freedom and independence would harm their efforts to control Syria. On the Kurds, the views of the Islamic coalition that overthrew the Assad regime do not differ from those of the Islamic State, which was on the verge of defeating the Kurds in Kobani before the U.S. intervened in 2014.

Power and Prejudice

Many Syrians hold deep prejudices that drive their attitudes and behavior toward other Syrians. Their biases focus on regional, religious and sectarian differences, as well as skin tone and family origin. The gap between the city and the countryside fuels this disharmony between social classes. Urban residents do not know much about rural people, viewing them as crude and unrefined, driven by the impression that they are illiterate, backward people who live in tents. Many city-dwellers refuse to wed their daughters to young men from the countryside, whom they describe as violent and naive peasants.

Many Syrians hold other Syrians responsible for the state of the country, lodging accusations about their liability for the war in a way that reveals latent racism and prejudice. They often disagree over who has the legitimate right to represent the Syrian people.

The roots of this class struggle go back to the practices of the Baath Party in the 1960s, specifically during the rule of Hafez Assad, when the state was, at least in theory, biased toward workers, peasants and other low-income people. The Baath Party predicated its legitimacy on the rural population, which benefited from its rule due to the privileges it received from economic socialism.

After the Assad family rose to power in 1970, the Alawites tightened their grip on state institutions, imposed their hegemony on the armed forces and intelligence, and suppressed the opposition in a way that Syria had never experienced before. Hafez Assad used the Alawites to build his political system but did not seek to make them prosperous, knowing their loyalty to the regime was predicated on their economic dependency. His grandfather even asked French authorities not to grant Syria independence because the Alawites refused to be included in a country dominated by Sunnis, who consider Alawites infidels.

Following Bashar Assad’s accession to power, the Syrian regime’s economic policy shifted toward a social market economy and economic liberalism. Services were subsequently reduced in the countryside, which became marginalized and poorer than ever before, triggering a rural revolt against Assad’s regime. The Syrian civil war, which killed 800,000 people and destroyed the country’s infrastructure, was the culmination of these social divides. It aggravated the contradictions in Syrian society, intensifying the displacement, fanaticism, rejection and bullying of outsiders. The uprising’s failure rested on the widespread belief that rural Syrians Islamized and militarized the rebellion, making them alone responsible for its defeat.

The Syrian opposition that emerged after the uprising failed to form a comprehensive national project. It could not offer Syrians hope for security, freedom, dignity and social justice, and the subsequent fragmentation enabled the Islamists to take control of the areas captured by the Free Syrian Army. The opposition relied on external support as an alternative to a unifying national message. It did not live up to the aspirations of the uprising and failed to produce a national leadership. Instead, it became captive to foreign countries’ machinations and contradictory policy objectives.

Murky Future

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham’s record at the local level indicates it will have trouble building a national government that can accommodate Syria’s religious, ethnic and political diversity. In its rule of Idlib, the group did not show any real commitment to political pluralism. It had some success in establishing the so-called salvation government and holding a comprehensive constitutional conference. However, these democratic processes have never been open and participatory. Al-Golani claimed power even though he did not hold an official government position. A few months before entering Damascus and overthrowing Assad, the security services of HTS violently suppressed protests in Idlib that demanded the release of detainees held by the group and an end to al-Golani’s rule.

HTS managed to create a general sense of order and relative stability in Idlib. But it seems unlikely it can replicate this result across Syria. Consolidating its control over the province was a long, often violent process, as HTS crushed rival factions and eliminated dissidents. With fewer than 30,000 fighters, it seems impossible that HTS can expand its administrative and security apparatus over all of Syria. It mobilized other factions in a loose alliance, but al-Golani’s troops cannot control all the active armed groups across the country. Indeed, the groups that have remobilized in central and southern Syria (in the provinces of Deraa and Sweida) over the past few weeks are not under al-Golani’s authority. It’s possible now that the Alawites will choose to partition Syria and rebuild an Alawite state. When Damascus fell to the opposition, regime forces evacuated their positions, which the Druze then took over. Druze authorities then held secret meetings with Israeli Druze officials, who demanded that they join Israel and oust the Sunni leaders.

The new government will now face conditions inconducive to stability and recovery. Syria’s social and economic crises will likely deepen. According to the United Nations, more than half the country’s population suffers from food insecurity. Government services had already collapsed before Assad’s ouster. There are reasons to doubt the extent of the moderate position adopted by HTS. But the most pressing threat to Syria is not Islamic extremism; it is the chaos that an opposition victory could unleash. There is a real danger that the country will slide not only into open conflict between armed groups but also into countless individual acts of revenge and bloody score-settling. There is not much that would then stop the situation in post-Assad Syria from spiraling out of control.