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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1350 on: August 11, 2022, 08:29:43 PM »
Hope you know I was joking about the forthcoming police state apology.  Not joking about the indictment coming.  For what, I have no idea.

Sorry Doug, I didn't realize you had reached my level of cynicism and bitterness.



Even though it's said that any prosecutor could "Indict a ham sandwich" they haven't been able to meet that standard with Trump up to this point, despite serious effort and more than a little criminality.
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Garland's fishing expedition
« Reply #1353 on: August 13, 2022, 07:41:58 AM »


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Some interesting points from AMcC
« Reply #1355 on: August 13, 2022, 03:54:36 PM »
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 13, 2022 6:30 AM
Already, we can see that the investigation is far broader than just the mishandling of classified information.
The Mar-a-Lago search warrant has been unsealed. Turns out it is what I told you it was going to be: an open-ended license to grab any item that might be relevant to the Justice Department’s Capitol-riot investigation.

To be sure, the government is very interested in reclaiming every bit of classified information — or, at least, information that it claims is classified — in Donald Trump’s possession at his Mar-a-Lago estate. The warrant, however, is not limited to evidence of classified-information crimes, not even close.

According to the warrant’s Attachment B, which describes the “property to be seized,” the Justice Department sought (and received) judicial authority to seize evidence of three crimes related to the mishandling of government records: the Espionage Act (Section 793); the concealment, removal, or mutilation of government records (Section 2071); and the obstruction of investigations by altering or destroying evidence (Section 1519).

Already, we can see that the investigation is far broader than just the mishandling of classified information. While the Espionage Act offense relates to defense secrets, the other two offenses are not limited to classified information: Section 2071 relates to the removal or concealment of any government record, not just classified intelligence; and Section 1519 applies to any item at all — it need not be a government record, for the point is to protect government investigations, not government property.

From there, Attachment B seems to prioritize classified-information crimes, but less so than appears at first blush. Subsection (a) authorizes agents to seize documents marked classified, but the license is much broader — the warrant allows seizure of not only containers in which classified documents are found (along with their other contents, even if they are not classified), but also of other containers found proximate to those first containers, again, regardless of whether the contents are classified. So, for example, if agents found one low-level classified document in a container that was stored next to ten other containers of nonclassified documents, the warrant permitted seizure of all of the nonclassified containers and their nonclassified contents.

Then there’s subsection (b), which permits the seizure of communications, in any form, regarding classified information. Note: The communications do not have to be classified to be seized; they can be nonclassified and about anything as long as they have some connection to classified information.

Where things get really, shall we say, elastic is subsection (c). It permits the seizure of “any government and/or Presidential Records created” throughout the four years of Trump’s presidency.

Plainly, this has nothing to do with classified information. It is mainly designed to use the criminal law — the search warrant, an intrusive tactic for retrieving evidence of crimes — to enforce the Presidential Records Act, which is not a criminal statute.

Can DOJ get away with this? Perhaps. Section 2071 is very broad, targeting anyone who “removes” or “destroys” “any” government record. If you are wondering how this did not apply to Hillary Clinton’s removal of tens of thousands of government-related emails and willful destruction of tens of thousands of others, you are not alone. In any event, Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure permits the seizure not only of evidence of a crime but also of “items illegally possessed.” It seems clear from the context that this phrase is meant to apply to items derived from criminal activity. Literally, though, it is clearly broader than that.

Since Congress did not choose to attach criminal penalties to violations of the Presidential Records Act, what we see here amounts to the Justice Department fashioning a new crime for Donald Trump. This is not my idea of the even-handed enforcement of the law — no partisan discrimination — that Attorney General Merrick Garland insisted he pursues in his remarks on Thursday. But there will be plenty of time to discuss that.

My point for present purposes is that subsection (c) authorized the FBI agents to seize every scrap of paper from the Trump administration. There is no limitation to classified information. There is no limitation to the Presidential Records Act. There is no limitation to the unmentioned Capitol riot. Indeed, there is no requirement that any scrap of paper be connected in any way to any crime whatsoever. No restriction at all. If it was arguably a government record of any kind generated during the Trump presidency, the judge said the bureau could take it.

The FBI and Justice Department will be doing what I told you they’d be doing: Poring over everything and anything from Trump’s presidency to try to make a January 6 case. What was executed at Monday’s historically unprecedented search of a former American president’s home was not a traditional search warrant to find evidence of specific crimes. It was certainly not a search warrant solely to retrieve vital national-defense secrets. This search warrant was a license for a fishing expedition. In an ocean.

The Justice Department is hoping the Trump trove will yield proof that he did not believe his stop-the-steal rhetoric and was willfully trying to steal by fraud and political pressure an election he knew he lost. I believe that is what the Justice Department thinks it needs to charge the former president with corruptly obstructing Congress’s count of state-certified electoral votes, and with conspiring to defraud the government.

Whether they will find the needles in the haystack remains to be seen. But they made sure to get control of the haystack.


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Re: Some interesting points from AMcC
« Reply #1357 on: August 14, 2022, 07:33:26 AM »
"Can DOJ get away with this? Perhaps. Section 2071 is very broad, targeting anyone who “removes” or “destroys” “any” government record. If you are wondering how this did not apply to Hillary Clinton’s removal of tens of thousands of government-related emails and willful destruction of tens of thousands of others, you are not alone. In any event, Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure permits the seizure not only of evidence of a crime but also of “items illegally possessed.” It seems clear from the context that this phrase is meant to apply to items derived from criminal activity. Literally, though, it is clearly broader than that."

Wow! Way to criticize your DOJ buddies without getting uninvited to lunch and golf!


By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 13, 2022 6:30 AM
Already, we can see that the investigation is far broader than just the mishandling of classified information.
The Mar-a-Lago search warrant has been unsealed. Turns out it is what I told you it was going to be: an open-ended license to grab any item that might be relevant to the Justice Department’s Capitol-riot investigation.

To be sure, the government is very interested in reclaiming every bit of classified information — or, at least, information that it claims is classified — in Donald Trump’s possession at his Mar-a-Lago estate. The warrant, however, is not limited to evidence of classified-information crimes, not even close.

According to the warrant’s Attachment B, which describes the “property to be seized,” the Justice Department sought (and received) judicial authority to seize evidence of three crimes related to the mishandling of government records: the Espionage Act (Section 793); the concealment, removal, or mutilation of government records (Section 2071); and the obstruction of investigations by altering or destroying evidence (Section 1519).

Already, we can see that the investigation is far broader than just the mishandling of classified information. While the Espionage Act offense relates to defense secrets, the other two offenses are not limited to classified information: Section 2071 relates to the removal or concealment of any government record, not just classified intelligence; and Section 1519 applies to any item at all — it need not be a government record, for the point is to protect government investigations, not government property.

From there, Attachment B seems to prioritize classified-information crimes, but less so than appears at first blush. Subsection (a) authorizes agents to seize documents marked classified, but the license is much broader — the warrant allows seizure of not only containers in which classified documents are found (along with their other contents, even if they are not classified), but also of other containers found proximate to those first containers, again, regardless of whether the contents are classified. So, for example, if agents found one low-level classified document in a container that was stored next to ten other containers of nonclassified documents, the warrant permitted seizure of all of the nonclassified containers and their nonclassified contents.

Then there’s subsection (b), which permits the seizure of communications, in any form, regarding classified information. Note: The communications do not have to be classified to be seized; they can be nonclassified and about anything as long as they have some connection to classified information.

Where things get really, shall we say, elastic is subsection (c). It permits the seizure of “any government and/or Presidential Records created” throughout the four years of Trump’s presidency.

Plainly, this has nothing to do with classified information. It is mainly designed to use the criminal law — the search warrant, an intrusive tactic for retrieving evidence of crimes — to enforce the Presidential Records Act, which is not a criminal statute.

Can DOJ get away with this? Perhaps. Section 2071 is very broad, targeting anyone who “removes” or “destroys” “any” government record. If you are wondering how this did not apply to Hillary Clinton’s removal of tens of thousands of government-related emails and willful destruction of tens of thousands of others, you are not alone. In any event, Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure permits the seizure not only of evidence of a crime but also of “items illegally possessed.” It seems clear from the context that this phrase is meant to apply to items derived from criminal activity. Literally, though, it is clearly broader than that.

Since Congress did not choose to attach criminal penalties to violations of the Presidential Records Act, what we see here amounts to the Justice Department fashioning a new crime for Donald Trump. This is not my idea of the even-handed enforcement of the law — no partisan discrimination — that Attorney General Merrick Garland insisted he pursues in his remarks on Thursday. But there will be plenty of time to discuss that.

My point for present purposes is that subsection (c) authorized the FBI agents to seize every scrap of paper from the Trump administration. There is no limitation to classified information. There is no limitation to the Presidential Records Act. There is no limitation to the unmentioned Capitol riot. Indeed, there is no requirement that any scrap of paper be connected in any way to any crime whatsoever. No restriction at all. If it was arguably a government record of any kind generated during the Trump presidency, the judge said the bureau could take it.

The FBI and Justice Department will be doing what I told you they’d be doing: Poring over everything and anything from Trump’s presidency to try to make a January 6 case. What was executed at Monday’s historically unprecedented search of a former American president’s home was not a traditional search warrant to find evidence of specific crimes. It was certainly not a search warrant solely to retrieve vital national-defense secrets. This search warrant was a license for a fishing expedition. In an ocean.

The Justice Department is hoping the Trump trove will yield proof that he did not believe his stop-the-steal rhetoric and was willfully trying to steal by fraud and political pressure an election he knew he lost. I believe that is what the Justice Department thinks it needs to charge the former president with corruptly obstructing Congress’s count of state-certified electoral votes, and with conspiring to defraud the government.

Whether they will find the needles in the haystack remains to be seen. But they made sure to get control of the haystack.

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Trump records negotiator
« Reply #1358 on: August 14, 2022, 04:29:21 PM »
Trump Records Negotiator: Former President in ‘Bureaucratic Battle’ Over Classified Documents
By Jack Phillips August 14, 2022 Updated: August 14, 2022biggersmaller Print

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Former White House official Kash Patel on Sunday revealed former President Donald Trump has been involved in a battle with the federal government to declassify documents before last week’s FBI raid.

Patel, who was a top official in the Department of Defense, said Trump declassified numerous documents.

“President Trump made me his representative a month ago, and we’ve been in a bureaucratic battle,” he told Fox News on Sunday morning. “We found whole sets of documents we got out to the American public … about 60 percent.”

Patel, who hosts “Kash’s Corner” for Epoch TV, added that Trump “made it his mission to declassify and be transparent.”

“In October 2020, he issued a sweeping declassification order for every single Russiagate document and every single [former Secretary of State] Hillary Clinton document,” Patel said, adding that “whole sets of documents” were declassified under his watch.

“And this is a key fact … President Trump, as a sitting president, is a unilateral authority for declassification,” he continued. “He can literally stand over a set of documents and say ‘these are now declassified,’ and that is done with definitive action immediately.”

Patel further noted that due to the Department of Justice’s latest actions and the FBI’s ongoing investigation, Americans “will never be allowed to see the Russiagate docs or any other docs that President Trump lawfully declassified, and they will hide it from the public.”

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Late last week, a U.S. magistrate judge ordered the release of the FBI warrant and property record used to raid Trump’s Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. The documents showed the FBI seized alleged classified documents and said the former president may be under investigation for possibly violating the 1917 Espionage Act and obstruction of justice, although neither the Justice Department nor FBI have released the affidavit in the case.

In late 2020, Trump issued a declassification memo that referred to materials connected to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation, which has been the subject of intense controversy and scrutiny. Republicans and Trump have long asserted the investigation used fabricated information and anonymous leaks to the press to denigrate the former president.

“I hereby declassify the remaining materials in the binder. This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI’s January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy,” then-President Trump wrote on Dec. 30, 2020, or just three weeks before Joe Biden was sworn in as president.

After the warrant and property receipt were unsealed, Trump posted to his Truth Social page that the materials the FBI allegedly took were “all declassified.”

“They didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request,” he wrote on the website on Aug. 12.

On Sunday, the former president wrote that among other items that were taken by agents, attorney-client material and executive privileged material were removed from Mar-a-Lago.

“By copy of this TRUTH, I respectfully request that these documents be immediately returned to the location from which they were taken. Thank you!” Trump wrote.

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Re: Trump records negotiator
« Reply #1360 on: August 15, 2022, 12:39:17 AM »
From the article :
"And this is a key fact … President Trump, as a sitting president, is a unilateral authority for declassification,” he continued. “He can literally stand over a set of documents and say ‘these are now declassified,’ and that is done with definitive action immediately.”

Right. And if that document was still labeled "classified",  it would be  a wrongly labeled document, not a classified document. That is my understanding.

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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1361 on: August 15, 2022, 03:39:07 AM »
Mine too.

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from breitbart today : phony conspiracy theory or fire behind the smoke?
« Reply #1362 on: August 15, 2022, 06:17:33 AM »
Recall, investigative reporter Paul Sperry was suspended from Twitter earlier this week after he revealed the FBI may have had a personal stake and searched for classified documents related to Spygate.

“DEVELOPING: Investigators reportedly met back in June w Trump & his lawyers in Mar-a-Lago storage rm to survey docs & things seemed copasetic but then FBI raids weeks later. Speculation on Hill FBI had PERSONAL stake & searching for classified docs related to its #Spygate scandal.”


– investigative journalist Paul Sperry said in a tweet Tuesday before getting suspended from Twitter.

Prior to being suspended from using the social media outlet, Sperry also tweeted a list of “conflicted” DOJ officials who were “briefed on the Mar-a-Lago raid” and noted that “CNN is admonishing reporters not to call the FBI raid of Trump’s home a “raid” but instead to term it as a “judge-approved search.”

The list of “conflicted” DOJ officials included:

Nicholas MCQuaid, who worked with Hunter Biden’s and Michael Sussman’s criminal attorneys, Lisa Monaco, who was an Obama Aide and is implicated in Russiagate, and Maggie Goodlander, who is the wife of top Biden aide Jake Sullivan, implicated in Russiagate.


And now Sperry dropped another bomb on Saturday.

According to Sperry, the federal agents involved in the Mar-a-Lago raid are under investigation by Special Counsel John Durham for being involved in investigating Trump prior to the raid on his home.


“Developing: Sources say the FBI agents and officials who were involved in the raid on former President Trump’s home work in the same Counterintelligence Division of the FBI that investigated Trump in the Russiagate hoax and are actively under criminal investigation by Special Counsel John Durham for potentially abusing their power investigating Trump in the Russian fraud and therefore have a potential conflict of interest and should have been RECUSED from participating in this supposed “espionage” investigation at Mar-a-Lago”

-Sperry said in a social media post on Saturday, just before being suspended from Twitter..

It appears the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago to seize documents that likely implicated the FBI – and now they’re claiming the records were related to nuclear weapons to justify the raid, Gateway Pundit noted."



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« Reply #1363 on: August 15, 2022, 12:19:43 PM »

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Recall all the classified "Top Secret" information Hillary Clinton transmitted on her personal email accounts and maintained on servers hidden in her residential closet, which she had her staff "wipe" ahead of the 2016 election to hide her communications from any future public scrutiny. I covered those actions in detail in "Clinton's Secret Communication Subterfuge."

Recall also that in July 2016, ahead of the presidential election, then-FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation into Clinton's coms, then took the unusual step of exonerating Clinton from any prosecutable offense under 18 U.S. Code § 793 in a public statement. He did so despite the fact he knew then that Clinton's unsecured coms and servers had been compromised by foreign intelligence hackers — likely Russian.

According to Comey, Clinton set up and used "several different [private] servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain."

But here is the key to Comey's justification for exonerating Clinton: He also said that "any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."

Let's be clear: Maintaining hard copies of some documents in a secured area of a former president's house, which is protected by the Secret Service among other law enforcement security personnel, is a minuscule national security risk compared to transmitting and storing highly classified information electronically in an unsecured residence.

Of course, any objective observer knew that Comey's higher loyalty was to Clinton's campaign. Further, Comey then provided the layup for the fake "Russian collusion" investigation of Trump, which took three years to totally debunk by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation — but the intended damage to Trump's agenda was done.

As for the Biden/Demo ulterior motive for the raid?

As I have stated previously, whoever the Demo presidential nominee will be in 2024 (and I assert again it will not be Biden), Democrats absolutely want Trump to run again. Despite their "Br'er Rabbit" strategy of insisting they don't want Trump to run, they are in fact baiting him to do so, certain they can win on the hate and division they can foment against a Trump candidacy — as they did in 2020.

Footnote: In a textbook case of Trump Derangement Syndrome, former CIA Director Michael Hayden, who has now lost all of his marbles, suggested Trump should be executed like the Rosenbergs for giving nuke secrets to Russia.


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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1365 on: August 15, 2022, 06:10:48 PM »
As usual, sharp analysis by AMcC. 

That said, there are some major gaps in it:

1) The description fails to mention that the very purpose of Hillary's server was to evade the National Records Act, the Congressional subpoena she blew off when she destroyed 30,000 emails, that the standard set for the criminal statute she violated was NOT INTENT, but rather RECKLESSNESS.  It would not have been amiss that President had opined during the then ongoing investigation that Hillary "lacked bad intent" and that the decision was announced by FBI Comey (well outside of his job description of the Fed. Bur. of INVESTIGATION) but that he had stepped in because AG Loretta Lynch had stepped in by getting caught the week before trying to have a secret meeting with Hillary's husband, who as President had appointed her-- a clear violation of Judicial Cannon etc.

2) He fails to mention all the private property of Trump that was seized.

3) Though he has made the point well previously, the bootstrap operation here was to get in the door for a general fishing expedition.  What happened to his previous point that the warrant was a general warrant and as such unconstitutional?

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 15, 2022 1:58 PM

Some of the documents seized in the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago may be covered by privilege — but all of them are the property of the government by law.

As with myriad other controversies ignited by Donald Trump’s norm-breaking and the irate norm-breaking with which it inspires his opponents to respond (while each side indignantly slams the other for, you know, breaking norms), the Mar-a-Lago don’t-you-dare-call-it-a-raid has reached peak farce.

First, it emerged over the weekend, as if it were stunning news, that some of the documents seized in the FBI’s search of Trump’s estate may have been covered by the attorney-client and executive privileges. Then, the former president issued a statement on his Truth Social platform claiming that the FBI “knowingly should not have taken” this “privileged material,” and “respectfully request[ing] that these documents be returned to the location from which they were taken.”

Okay, we need to back up the truck here.

“The location from which [these privileged documents] were taken” was, at least originally, the White House: Then-president Trump brought them with him to Mar-a-Lago when he left office. What the FBI did last week was retrieve them.

I know this was at least four Trump news cycles ago, so it feels like ancient history, but the original fact from which all else flows is that, classified or not, the documents at issue are government records. Even if they are subject to legitimate privilege claims, the documents are still the property of the United States.

So of course the FBI took privileged documents from Mar-a-Lago. To repeat what I laid out over the weekend, the warrant that the bureau executed, approved by a federal district court in Florida, authorized the agents to take every shred of paper generated during the four years of the Trump presidency that it could find. Since presidential administrations produce mounds of work product covered by the executive and/or attorney-client privileges over a four-year term, the search was always likely to result in the seizure of at least some privileged material.

Let’s keep our eye on the ball. When evaluating the Justice Department’s behavior in this situation, the question we should ask is: Did government officials go too far in the methods by which they reclaimed presidential records? Was the impasse between the DOJ’s lawyers and Trump’s lawyers really so serious, so dire, that the Justice Department and FBI needed to get involved? Was it really necessary to turn a conflict between the National Archives and a former president into a criminal-law controversy and, for the first time in history, search the residence of a former American president?

In other words, the issue is not whether Trump committed a wrong, but whether the government’s actions were a proportional response to that wrong; Trump was unquestionably in violation of the law.

Let’s say you believe, as I do, that (a) for as long as he remained president, Trump had the legal authority to declassify any government document he chose to declassify, no matter how irresponsible doing so might have been; and (b) the Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute and is not meant to be enforced through search warrants and indictments. Even assuming those beliefs to be true, the Presidential Records Act is still the law of the land. It is a presumptively valid congressional statute that has been on the books, without being invalidated by a court, for nearly half a century.

Under the PRA, the records generated by the Trump presidency are the property of the United States government. Trump had no lawful right to keep them down at Mar-a-Lago. This is not just about the classified information Trump kept there; it’s about all of the presidential records he kept there, no matter how trivial. There are separate issues pertinent to the classified documents, because there are laws and regulations unique to them, owing to the fact that the nation can be harmed if they fall into the wrong hands — which makes it especially irresponsible of Trump to keep them in his home. But even if none of the materials he’d stored at Mar-a-Lago had been classified, Trump would still have committed a violation of the law by removing presidential records from a government facility and retaining them as if they were his personal property.

For all of his fury, I do not believe Trump himself has ever claimed to be in compliance with the PRA. He’s tried to deflect by claiming that other presidents did what he’s done, but those claims are wrong — and they wouldn’t constitute a defense of his actions even if they were accurate.

Contrary to Trump’s assertions, President Obama did not interfere when the National Archives took custody of millions of pages of his presidential records. And when President Clinton sleazily swiped nearly $200,000 of property (including furniture, china, and flatware) upon leaving the White House, the government did not stand idly by; Clinton ended up reimbursing the government for most of it — and documents were not at issue.

Trump has further claimed that he told government officials they could have anything they wanted, they just needed to ask. That, however, is neither the whole story nor the way things are supposed to work. The National Archives had been trying to get the records back for over a year. After resisting, Trump finally gave them about 15 boxes’ worth of material, but, as is now clear, he retained a great deal more. There is no requirement that the government itemize which of its records it wants back; Trump should not have taken them in the first place, and should have returned all of them on request, end of story. This is not supposed to be a negotiation.

With no defense, Trump has framed himself as the victim of government hyper-aggression. It’s a shrewd framing because there’s truth in it. But it only gets him so far, because again, he unquestionably violated the law. The National Archives wanted the records back. Trump didn’t want to give them back and calculated that the government wouldn’t do much about it. That was a bad bet for a guy who was (a) in improper possession of classified documents whose security government officials were worried about; and (b) under investigation in connection with the Capitol riot, a probe that the DOJ is pressing with zeal.

We can question whether Trump’s conduct was so illegal that it was proper for the government to escalate to a search of his residence when other efforts at persuasion apparently did not work. Based on what we now know, I think the answer to that question is no. But that’s not because what Trump did was legitimate; it wasn’t. Rather, it’s because the government has not resorted to such an extraordinary step in recent history.

For example, I believed that, quite apart from her gross negligence in handling classified information (which the FBI acknowledged), the most compelling case for prosecuting Hillary Clinton over the email scandal was the fact that she systematically converted to her own use and then destroyed thousands of government records. I argued that she should be prosecuted under the federal embezzlement statute, which makes conversion and destruction of government records a crime. Nevertheless, once they decided her recklessness with classified intelligence did not merit prosecution, the Hillary-smitten Obama-Biden Justice Department barely acknowledged her felonious conversion and purging of other government records.

Having taken that position, I don’t think there’s much chance DOJ will prosecute Trump on the potential allegations laid out in the search warrant. (I’ll talk more about that in a separate post.) But understand: Even if you believe that there should be no charges, and that the Biden administration should not have used criminal-law tactics to retrieve presidential records from Mar-a-Lago, there is no doubt that the records are the government’s property. If you are defending Trump after you chanted “lock her up” in response to Clinton’s malfeasance six years ago, that is only a worthy argument because she got a pass. They were both in the wrong.

The privilege issues Trump now cites have no bearing on the rightful ownership of the documents in question. Remember last year, when the House January 6 committee made a formal request for Trump’s presidential records and Trump responded by trying to assert executive privilege? Trump did not have possession of those documents. The committee’s formal request went to the archivist of the United States, because these records — the vast majority of Trump presidential records — were properly stored at the National Archives. The courts still entertained the former president’s privilege claims (and ruled against him). But the claims themselves had nothing to do with the ownership or possession of the records.

Privilege conveys confidentiality, not ownership. If Trump has valid attorney-client or executive privilege claims on documents the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago, that might affect whether the Justice Department may get access to those documents and use them in its investigations of the former president — such as its January 6 probe. But such access has no bearing on who owns the documents. The privileges may belong to Trump; the materials themselves do not.
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VDH gets closer to the Truth
« Reply #1366 on: August 15, 2022, 06:21:45 PM »
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While AMCC seems to be right on the Government's ownership rights in the documents, this, it seems to me, gets closer to the Truth:
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FBI, R.I.P.?
Victor Davis Hanson
August 12, 2022 Updated: August 15, 2022

Commentary

The FBI is dissolving before our eyes into a rogue security service akin to those in Eastern Europe during the Cold War.

Take the FBI’s deliberately asymmetrical application of the law. Last week, the bureau surprise-raided the home of former President Donald Trump—an historical first.

A massive phalanx of FBI agents swooped into the Trump residence while he wasn’t home to confiscate his personal property, safe, and records. All of this was over an archival dispute of presidential papers common to many former presidents. Agents swarmed the entire house, including the wardrobe closet of the former first lady.

Note we are less than 90 days out from a midterm election. This was not just a raid, but a political act.

The Democratic Party is anticipated to suffer historical losses. Trump was on the verge of announcing his 2024 presidential candidacy. In many polls, he remains the Republican frontrunner for the nomination—and well ahead of incumbent President Joe Biden in a putative 2024 rematch.

In 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey announced that candidate Hillary Clinton was guilty of destroying subpoenaed emails—a likely felony pertaining to her tenure as secretary of state. Yet he all but pledged that she would not be prosecuted given her status as a presidential candidate.

As far as targeting presidential candidates, Trump was impeached in 2020 ostensibly for delaying military aid to Ukraine by asking Ukrainian officials to investigate more fully the clearly corrupt Biden family—given Joe Biden at the time was a likely possible presidential opponent in 2020.

The FBI has devolved into a personal retrieval service for the incorrigible Biden family. It suppressed, for political purposes, information surrounding Hunter Biden’s missing laptop on the eve of the 2020 election.

Previously, the FBI never pursued Hunter’s fraudulently registered firearm, his mysterious foreign income, his felonious crack cocaine use, or his regular employment of foreign prostitutes.

Yet in a predawn raid just before the 2020 election, the FBI targeted the home of journalist James O’Keefe on grounds that someone had passed to him the lost and lurid diary of Ashley Biden, Biden’s wayward daughter.

At various times, in Stasi-style, the FBI has publicly shackled Trump economic adviser Peter Navarro, swarmed the office of Trump’s legal counsel Rudy Giuliani, and sent a SWAT team to surround the house of Trump ally Roger Stone. Meanwhile, terrorists and cartels walk with impunity across an open border.

FBI Director Christopher Wray last week cut short his evasive testimony before Congress. He claimed he had to leave for a critical appointment—only to use his FBI Gulfstream luxury jet to fly to his favorite vacation spot in the Adirondacks.

Wray took over from disgraced interim FBI Director Andrew McCabe. The latter admitted to lying repeatedly to federal investigators and signed off on a fraudulent FBI FISA application. He faced zero legal consequences.

McCabe, remember, was also the point man in the softball Hillary Clinton email investigation—while his wife was a political candidate and recipient of thousands of dollars from a political action committee with close ties to the Clinton family.

McCabe took over from disgraced FBI Director James Comey. On 245 occasions, Comey claimed under oath before the House Intelligence Committee that he had no memory or knowledge of key questions concerning his tenure. With impunity, he leaked confidential FBI memos to the media.

Comey took over from Director Robert Mueller. Implausibly, Mueller swore under oath that he had no knowledge of either the Steele dossier or of Fusion GPS, the firm that commissioned Christopher Steele to compile the dossier. But those were the very twin catalysts that had prompted his entire special investigation into the Russian collusion hoax.

FBI legal counsel Kevin Clinesmith was convicted of a felony for altering an FBI warrant request to spy on an innocent Carter Page.

The FBI, by Comey’s own public boasts, bragged how it caught national security adviser designate Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn in its Crossfire Hurricane Russian collusion hoax.

As special counsel, Mueller then fired two of his top investigators—Lisa Page and Peter Strzok—for improper personal and professional behavior. He then staggered their releases to mask their collaborative wrongdoing.

Mueller’s team deleted critical cellphone evidence under subpoena that might well have revealed systemic FBI-related bias.

The FBI interferes with and warps national elections. It hires complete frauds as informants who are far worse than its targets. It humiliates or exempts government and elected officials based on their politics. It violates the civil liberties of individual American citizens.

The FBI’s highest officials now routinely mislead Congress. They have erased or altered court and subpoenaed evidence. They illegally leak confidential material to the media. And they have lied under oath to federal investigators.

The agency has become dangerous to Americans and an existential threat to their democracy and rule of law. The FBI should be dispersing its investigatory responsibilities to other government investigative agencies that have not yet lost the public’s trust.

Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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« Reply #1368 on: August 16, 2022, 03:08:39 AM »
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Double Standard by Civil Libertarians against Trump Endangers the Rule of Law
by Alan M. Dershowitz
August 16, 2022 at 5:00 am

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has repeatedly challenged the constitutionality and applicability of the Espionage Act to anti-government activities by left-wing radicals, is strangely silent when the same overbroad law is deployed against a political figure whose politics they deplore.

Then there is the manner by which Trump loyalists have been treated when they were indicted. Several have been arrested, handcuffed and shackled, despite not having been charged with crimes of violence and despite the absence of evidence that they were planning to flee... [M]ost other comparable defendants are simply notified of the charges and ordered to appear in court. Yet despite this apparent double standard, the left has been silent.

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland commendably stated that the Justice Department is dedicated to the "evenhanded application of the law." But recent applications of the law suggest otherwise. "Due process for me but not for thee" seems to have replaced the equal protection of the law as the guiding principle.

Perhaps the most glaring manifestation of the double standard currently at work is the different approach taken to the alleged mishandling of classified material by Trump,

(MARC: It is strongly asserted by Trump that as President he declassified the material in question)

on the one hand, and former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, on the other hand. No wide-ranging search warrants were sought for Clinton's home, where private servers were apparently kept and subpoenaed material even possibly destroyed.

(MARC:  Possibly?!?  No, there is no fg doubt whatsoever that she destroyed 30,000+ emails!!!  All generated as part of a purposeful scheme to evade the government records laws as well as the security of top secret diplomatic correspondence.!!!)

Equal justice for Democrats and Republicans must not only be done; it must be seen to be done. There must be one law, and one application of law, for all comparable acts and persons. There must also be one standard of civil liberties — and complaints about their violation — by principled civil libertarians.

This unacceptable double standard is so widespread that it endangers the rule of law and the historic role of neutral, non-partisan civil liberties that protect it from partisan weaponization.

Civil liberties require a single standard without regard to party, ideology or person. This great tradition has not been evident when it comes to the treatment of Donald Trump. A double standard has been manifested in a number of ways. (Image source: iStock)

Civil liberties require a single standard without regard to party, ideology or person. The right of Nazis to their despicable free speech must be protected with the same vigor as the right of Salman Rushdie. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in particular, and good civil libertarians in general, used to live by that creed. That is what makes them different from special pleaders who limit their advocacy to those who agree or identify with them. This great tradition — that led John Adams to defend the hated British soldiers who were accused of the Boston massacre and led the old ACLU to defend the right of Nazis to march through Skokie, Illinois — has not been evident when it comes to the treatment of Donald Trump. A double standard has been manifested in a number of ways.

The most serious alleged crime cited in the Trump search warrant is under the Espionage Act of 1917. In the past, many leftist civil libertarians have railed against the breadth and scope of this law, calling it repressive and unconstitutionally vague. Among the people who were prosecuted, indicted or investigated under the Espionage Act are progressive icons such as socialists Eugene V. Debs and Charles Schenk, antiwar activists Daniel Ellsberg and Dr. Benjamin Spock, whistleblowers Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning, anarchists Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman, as well as many others who made unpopular speeches, engaged in protests or took other actions deemed unpatriotic by the government.

But now that the shoe is on the other foot — now that the same law is being deployed against a possible presidential candidate they deplore — many of these same leftists are demanding that this accordion-like law be expanded to fit Trump's alleged mishandling of classified material. The ACLU, which has repeatedly challenged the constitutionality and applicability of the Espionage Act to anti-government activities by left-wing radicals, is strangely silent when the same overbroad law is deployed against a political figure whose politics they deplore.

The same double standard seems to be at work regarding the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago. Many civil libertarians have complained about the overuse of search warrants in situations where a "less intrusive" and narrower subpoena would suffice. Even U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland acknowledged that the policy of the Justice Department is to use measures less intrusive than a full-blown search whenever possible. Yet he did not explain why a day-long search of Trump's home was necessary, especially since a subpoena had been issued and could have been judicially enforced if the government was dissatisfied with the progress of negotiations. Again, silence from the ACLU and other left-wing civil libertarians.

Then there is the manner by which Trump loyalists have been treated when they were indicted. Several have been arrested, handcuffed and shackled, despite not having been charged with crimes of violence and despite the absence of evidence that they were planning to flee. In my long experience, most other comparable defendants are simply notified of the charges and ordered to appear in court. Yet despite this apparent double standard, the left has been silent.

Garland commendably stated that the Justice Department is dedicated to the "evenhanded application of the law." But recent applications of the law suggest otherwise. "Due process for me but not for thee" seems to have replaced the equal protection of the law as the guiding principle.

Perhaps the most glaring manifestation of the double standard currently at work is the different approach taken to the alleged mishandling of classified material by Trump, on the one hand, and former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, on the other hand. No wide-ranging search warrants were sought for Clinton's home, where private servers were apparently kept and subpoenaed material even possibly destroyed.
Then FBI director James Comey announced that no criminal prosecution has ever been taken for comparable mishandling of classified material. The same was true of former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger's deliberate hiding of such material in his socks. Berger was administratively fined but not criminally prosecuted for willfully violating the law concerning secret documents. Yet the Espionage Act was not invoked against him.

Equal justice for Democrats and Republicans must not only be done; it must be seen to be done. There must be one law, and one application of law, for all comparable acts and persons. There must also be one standard of civil liberties — and complaints about their violation — by principled civil libertarians. The salutary goal seems to be missing from recent attempts to "get" Trump and his loyalists regardless of the principle of equal justice for friend and foe alike.

To the contrary, those of us who — despite our opposition to Trump politically — insist that the same standards of civil liberties must be applied to him as to those we support politically, have lost friends, been defamed by the media and been cancelled. This unacceptable double standard is so widespread that it endangers the rule of law and the historic role of neutral, non-partisan civil liberties that protect it from partisan weaponization.

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus at Harvard Law School, and the author most recently of The Price of Principles: Why Integrity Is Worth Its Consequences. He is the Jack Roth Charitable Foundation Fellow at Gatestone Institute, and is also the host of "The Dershow," podcast.

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« Reply #1369 on: August 16, 2022, 09:36:58 AM »
DSA floats the "the documents are government property". Did I miss where it's different from all the prior presidents documents?

As usual, sharp analysis by AMcC. 

That said, there are some major gaps in it:

1) The description fails to mention that the very purpose of Hillary's server was to evade the National Records Act, the Congressional subpoena she blew off when she destroyed 30,000 emails, that the standard set for the criminal statute she violated was NOT INTENT, but rather RECKLESSNESS.  It would not have been amiss that President had opined during the then ongoing investigation that Hillary "lacked bad intent" and that the decision was announced by FBI Comey (well outside of his job description of the Fed. Bur. of INVESTIGATION) but that he had stepped in because AG Loretta Lynch had stepped in by getting caught the week before trying to have a secret meeting with Hillary's husband, who as President had appointed her-- a clear violation of Judicial Cannon etc.

2) He fails to mention all the private property of Trump that was seized.

3) Though he has made the point well previously, the bootstrap operation here was to get in the door for a general fishing expedition.  What happened to his previous point that the warrant was a general warrant and as such unconstitutional?

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 15, 2022 1:58 PM

Some of the documents seized in the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago may be covered by privilege — but all of them are the property of the government by law.

As with myriad other controversies ignited by Donald Trump’s norm-breaking and the irate norm-breaking with which it inspires his opponents to respond (while each side indignantly slams the other for, you know, breaking norms), the Mar-a-Lago don’t-you-dare-call-it-a-raid has reached peak farce.

First, it emerged over the weekend, as if it were stunning news, that some of the documents seized in the FBI’s search of Trump’s estate may have been covered by the attorney-client and executive privileges. Then, the former president issued a statement on his Truth Social platform claiming that the FBI “knowingly should not have taken” this “privileged material,” and “respectfully request[ing] that these documents be returned to the location from which they were taken.”

Okay, we need to back up the truck here.

“The location from which [these privileged documents] were taken” was, at least originally, the White House: Then-president Trump brought them with him to Mar-a-Lago when he left office. What the FBI did last week was retrieve them.

I know this was at least four Trump news cycles ago, so it feels like ancient history, but the original fact from which all else flows is that, classified or not, the documents at issue are government records. Even if they are subject to legitimate privilege claims, the documents are still the property of the United States.

So of course the FBI took privileged documents from Mar-a-Lago. To repeat what I laid out over the weekend, the warrant that the bureau executed, approved by a federal district court in Florida, authorized the agents to take every shred of paper generated during the four years of the Trump presidency that it could find. Since presidential administrations produce mounds of work product covered by the executive and/or attorney-client privileges over a four-year term, the search was always likely to result in the seizure of at least some privileged material.

Let’s keep our eye on the ball. When evaluating the Justice Department’s behavior in this situation, the question we should ask is: Did government officials go too far in the methods by which they reclaimed presidential records? Was the impasse between the DOJ’s lawyers and Trump’s lawyers really so serious, so dire, that the Justice Department and FBI needed to get involved? Was it really necessary to turn a conflict between the National Archives and a former president into a criminal-law controversy and, for the first time in history, search the residence of a former American president?

In other words, the issue is not whether Trump committed a wrong, but whether the government’s actions were a proportional response to that wrong; Trump was unquestionably in violation of the law.

Let’s say you believe, as I do, that (a) for as long as he remained president, Trump had the legal authority to declassify any government document he chose to declassify, no matter how irresponsible doing so might have been; and (b) the Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute and is not meant to be enforced through search warrants and indictments. Even assuming those beliefs to be true, the Presidential Records Act is still the law of the land. It is a presumptively valid congressional statute that has been on the books, without being invalidated by a court, for nearly half a century.

Under the PRA, the records generated by the Trump presidency are the property of the United States government. Trump had no lawful right to keep them down at Mar-a-Lago. This is not just about the classified information Trump kept there; it’s about all of the presidential records he kept there, no matter how trivial. There are separate issues pertinent to the classified documents, because there are laws and regulations unique to them, owing to the fact that the nation can be harmed if they fall into the wrong hands — which makes it especially irresponsible of Trump to keep them in his home. But even if none of the materials he’d stored at Mar-a-Lago had been classified, Trump would still have committed a violation of the law by removing presidential records from a government facility and retaining them as if they were his personal property.

For all of his fury, I do not believe Trump himself has ever claimed to be in compliance with the PRA. He’s tried to deflect by claiming that other presidents did what he’s done, but those claims are wrong — and they wouldn’t constitute a defense of his actions even if they were accurate.

Contrary to Trump’s assertions, President Obama did not interfere when the National Archives took custody of millions of pages of his presidential records. And when President Clinton sleazily swiped nearly $200,000 of property (including furniture, china, and flatware) upon leaving the White House, the government did not stand idly by; Clinton ended up reimbursing the government for most of it — and documents were not at issue.

Trump has further claimed that he told government officials they could have anything they wanted, they just needed to ask. That, however, is neither the whole story nor the way things are supposed to work. The National Archives had been trying to get the records back for over a year. After resisting, Trump finally gave them about 15 boxes’ worth of material, but, as is now clear, he retained a great deal more. There is no requirement that the government itemize which of its records it wants back; Trump should not have taken them in the first place, and should have returned all of them on request, end of story. This is not supposed to be a negotiation.

With no defense, Trump has framed himself as the victim of government hyper-aggression. It’s a shrewd framing because there’s truth in it. But it only gets him so far, because again, he unquestionably violated the law. The National Archives wanted the records back. Trump didn’t want to give them back and calculated that the government wouldn’t do much about it. That was a bad bet for a guy who was (a) in improper possession of classified documents whose security government officials were worried about; and (b) under investigation in connection with the Capitol riot, a probe that the DOJ is pressing with zeal.

We can question whether Trump’s conduct was so illegal that it was proper for the government to escalate to a search of his residence when other efforts at persuasion apparently did not work. Based on what we now know, I think the answer to that question is no. But that’s not because what Trump did was legitimate; it wasn’t. Rather, it’s because the government has not resorted to such an extraordinary step in recent history.

For example, I believed that, quite apart from her gross negligence in handling classified information (which the FBI acknowledged), the most compelling case for prosecuting Hillary Clinton over the email scandal was the fact that she systematically converted to her own use and then destroyed thousands of government records. I argued that she should be prosecuted under the federal embezzlement statute, which makes conversion and destruction of government records a crime. Nevertheless, once they decided her recklessness with classified intelligence did not merit prosecution, the Hillary-smitten Obama-Biden Justice Department barely acknowledged her felonious conversion and purging of other government records.

Having taken that position, I don’t think there’s much chance DOJ will prosecute Trump on the potential allegations laid out in the search warrant. (I’ll talk more about that in a separate post.) But understand: Even if you believe that there should be no charges, and that the Biden administration should not have used criminal-law tactics to retrieve presidential records from Mar-a-Lago, there is no doubt that the records are the government’s property. If you are defending Trump after you chanted “lock her up” in response to Clinton’s malfeasance six years ago, that is only a worthy argument because she got a pass. They were both in the wrong.

The privilege issues Trump now cites have no bearing on the rightful ownership of the documents in question. Remember last year, when the House January 6 committee made a formal request for Trump’s presidential records and Trump responded by trying to assert executive privilege? Trump did not have possession of those documents. The committee’s formal request went to the archivist of the United States, because these records — the vast majority of Trump presidential records — were properly stored at the National Archives. The courts still entertained the former president’s privilege claims (and ruled against him). But the claims themselves had nothing to do with the ownership or possession of the records.

Privilege conveys confidentiality, not ownership. If Trump has valid attorney-client or executive privilege claims on documents the FBI seized at Mar-a-Lago, that might affect whether the Justice Department may get access to those documents and use them in its investigations of the former president — such as its January 6 probe. But such access has no bearing on who owns the documents. The privileges may belong to Trump; the materials themselves do not.

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« Reply #1371 on: August 16, 2022, 12:14:48 PM »
Somehow this piece overlooks that the very purpose of Hillary's private servers was to evade scrutiny, apparently with the venal purpose of covering up her grifting.

Somehow this piece overlooks that the decision whether to prosecute or not pertained to AG Lynch, not FBI Comey, and that Comey applied the wrong legal standard when he applied INTENT instead of the statute's standard of RECKLESSNESS and that THIS was the main pivot point for throwing the investigation.  There were many others of course-- which are well known here on this forum.

Somehow this piece forgets Sandy "Fingers" Berger, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strock, Paige, the various perjuries and lies around the Steele dossier etc et al

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Whom Is the Law For?

The grassroots of both the Democrats and the Republicans believe that the opposition party’s leaders get away with murder and that their own leaders get the book thrown at them just for jaywalking.

For the past six years or so, many Democrats scoffed, “But her emails!” — implicitly arguing that whatever Hillary Clinton did regarding her emails, including classified information, back when she was Secretary of State, was unimportant in the context of the 2016 presidential election. And make no mistake, the FBI determined that emails on Clinton’s private server contained classified information. In his infamous July 5, 2016, statement, then-FBI director James Comey revealed that, “110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.”

To most Trump supporters, the classified information in Hillary’s emails was just one of the most vivid examples of her arrogance and sense that the rules and laws didn’t apply to her. To Hillary’s fanbase, it was a routine paperwork snafu with no real-world consequences that was hyped up by her political enemies.

Fast forward a few years, and now almost everyone in the political-outrage-industrial complex has switched places. Now Donald Trump is accused of taking documents with classified or other sensitive information with him when he left the White House and storing them at Mar-a-Lago, defying a federal law which requires their return to the appropriate archives.

Back in 2016, Comey concluded that Hillary Clinton’s use of an insecure private system was mostly a big misunderstanding, not a deliberate effort to hide her communications from institutional archives or future FOIA requests:

We did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. . . . There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

Six years ago, despite the considerable evidence that the then-Democratic nominee for president had violated the law, Comey concluded it was not worth it for the FBI to recommend criminal charges to the U.S. Department of Justice.

“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said. “Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts . . . although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.”

When I heard about the FBI executing a search warrant in a hunt for unreturned documents with sensitive information, I thought of Comey’s assessment that criminal charges against Clinton just weren’t needed. I also thought about an observation from famous RussiaGate investigator and prosecutor John Durham:

You are only authorized to bring a prosecution if you believe, based upon the evidence that you have, that you are likely to be able to prove a case not to the probable-cause standard, which is all that is required to arrest somebody, but if you believe you can prosecute the case and prove that case beyond a reasonable doubt, and beyond that, that you would be able to sustain that conviction on appeal. And if you can’t say, in all honesty, that you would be able to do that, then prosecution is not warranted.

Someone within federal law enforcement thinks that what was found at Mar-a-Lago represents evidence of a crime that could well lead to an indictment and a conviction — and that the conviction will be sustained upon appeal. (Our Andy McCarthy theorized that the search actually had more to do with investigations relating to January 6: “The ostensible justification for the search of Trump’s compound is his potentially unlawful retention of government records and mishandling of classified information. The real reason is the Capitol riot.”)

Under the law, Donald Trump is just another citizen, no more or less special than anyone else. If the documents are legally required to be kept in secure government facilities, then they are legally required to be kept in secure government facilities, full stop. Whether they’re classified or declassified doesn’t matter. Even if Trump now says he declassified them, courts have previously ruled there has to be a legal record of the declassification — a verbal “standing order” doesn’t cut it. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled in July 2020 that, “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures. Executive order 13,526 established the detailed process through which secret information can be appropriately declassified. . . . Declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

But these are far from normal circumstances. Donald Trump is a furious former president who believes that a “deep state” conspired to rig an election and unjustly remove him from office. Anyone with an ounce of sense would have recognized that Trump would perceive the search as the federal government declaring a war against him personally and would respond with apoplectic fury. Whoever authorized this search warrant had better be darn sure that it was worth the likely consequences. A lot of Americans won’t easily grasp — or will choose not to grasp — why a former president keeping old papers, even ones containing sensitive information, in his heavily secured estate should be subjected to criminal charges.

After all, Comey and the FBI didn’t see any need for criminal charges against Hillary in similar circumstances. In fact, Comey’s contention that, “No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case” indicates that pressing charges for this sort of thing is wildly unreasonable, or even absurd. In Comey’s account, it wasn’t even a close call.

And the contrast with Hillary Clinton is not the only case where Trump supporters can point to federal law enforcement effectively ignoring what appears to be a slam-dunk case of criminal behavior by a high-profile Democratic figure. Hunter Biden more or less confessed to lying on his paperwork to purchase a firearm in 2018, declaring that he was not “an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance.” While promoting his memoir in spring 2021, the younger Biden said that at the time he’d purchased the gun, he was an addict who smoked crack “literally every 15 minutes.”

Federal prosecutors are apparently still debating whether to press charges against the president’s son; at least one former federal prosecutor argues that the glacial pace of the federal investigation and lengthy deliberation is abnormal. “t’s not adding up. It’s certainly not what I would have done. And it’s not what the majority of my colleagues who served as U.S. attorneys and assistant U.S. attorneys would have done in this case,” former U.S. attorney Brett Tolman told Fox News. “Anybody who wanted to seek justice in this case would have charged Hunter Biden very quickly. . . . I mean, this is so simple and so basic that the only conclusion I can make is political games are being played and have from the very beginning.”

The problem with arguing, “They didn’t enforce the law against Hillary Clinton or Hunter Biden, but they did against Trump,” is that it amounts to an argument that the American justice system is only fair if leaders and elites of both parties get to ignore laws they find inconvenient. But we shouldn’t want any of our leaders ignoring any laws. If a law is worth having on the books, it is worth enforcing; if it is not worth enforcing, it is not worth having on the books.

If an official breaks the law, then prosecute them — even if they’re the all-but-certain Democratic nominee a few weeks away from the convention, or a former president that is a stone-cold lock to run for another term. But don’t contend that lawbreaking is okay if it is done by political leaders you prefer, or that your party is entitled to at least one free crime because the other party has gotten away with some. We need one clear and consistent standard, applied to leaders of both parties.

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« Reply #1372 on: August 17, 2022, 06:51:52 AM »
it is law enforcement that goes after Conservatives :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-angry-words-spur-warnings-205303076.html

no white privilege or supremacy
though all the FBI agents are white men

but since they are all apparently Democrats - it is all good

if most Trump supporters were black or "brown"
can anyone imagine the uproar?





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« Reply #1374 on: August 18, 2022, 06:45:13 AM »

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« Reply #1375 on: August 18, 2022, 01:42:47 PM »
called judge

to decide which information government allows him
to release on Trump:

https://nypost.com/2022/08/18/hearing-on-unsealing-trump-fbi-raid-affidavit-underway/

did they know this guy is a pedo defense lawyer ? the day after prosecuting him
could this get any more farcical?

maybe he is on the epstein black book list and thus under tight "control"

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Deep State Andy won't want to mention this
« Reply #1376 on: August 18, 2022, 08:29:44 PM »



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« Reply #1379 on: August 19, 2022, 02:19:39 PM »
How can that man still be in prison?!?

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« Reply #1380 on: August 20, 2022, 07:11:34 AM »
From the Pence thread.

Pence: 'Saying defund the FBI is like saying defund the police',  meaning irresponsible.

ccp:
yes
that is why I state we should clean house of those at FBI who are targeting us

not defund them
re direct them back to their original missions
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G M:
New smaller agencies with different missions is the answer.

The FBI needs to be made an example of.... Destroy careers as a lesson to other gov employees.
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Right on both. (IMHO) The bumper sticker, defund the FBI, doesn't show we take the law enforcement seriously, and most steps short of that mean we don't take their own criminal overreach seriously.

My approach (in every department) is "zero based budgeting".  Time permitting,  every employee,  every department, every function, every mission, every dollar gets scrutinized. Your funding doesn't continue because it was once funded by a previous Congress and previous administration. We look at results. It gets funded only if it is necessary and a proper role for federal government that no other government or agency could do better.

Trump 1.0 had trouble right from the transition.  They did not have thousands,  millions of qualified people ready willing able to step in and take the place of all those who need firing.  Still,  they needed firing and those jobs go unfilled and job listings go out nationwide until we find new public servants, not party/deep state activists, to fill them.

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« Reply #1381 on: August 20, 2022, 07:17:28 AM »
"My approach (in every department) is "zero based budgeting""

YES-- as versus Baseline Budgeting!!!

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« Reply #1382 on: August 20, 2022, 07:56:53 AM »
"My approach (in every department) is "zero based budgeting""

YES-- as versus Baseline Budgeting!!!

I would recommend looking at what Bratton did to reform the NYPD.



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2015: Classified or not: Complexities in Hillary's server and emails
« Reply #1385 on: August 20, 2022, 08:25:47 AM »
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Classified or Not? Explaining the Clinton Email Controversy
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    Byron Tau
 
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton‘s campaign acknowledged for the first time Wednesday that her email archive contains material that is now classified—but downplayed its admission by saying the material had been retroactively classified out of an abundance of caution by U.S. intelligence agencies. Further, she said she has done nothing illegal.

“She was at worst a passive recipient of unwitting information that subsequently became deemed as classified,” said Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, on Wednesday.

Here is a rundown of the key issues in the fight over whether classified information was improperly sent or received by her private email address, which has become the focus of the controversy surrounding her email setup.

First, remind me how the email controversy got started.

When Hillary Clinton was secretary of state from 2009 to early 2013, she used a private setup for her email. In late 2014, Mrs. Clinton turned over her work-related emails at the request of the State Department. In March 2015, Mrs. Clinton gave her first comments on why she used a private system, saying the setup was for convenience. (See a timeline of events leading up to these remarks.) She also said she wanted all her work emails to be made public. These emails are being reviewed and released in batches by the State Department this year. Aside from public interest in the contents of the emails, there were also concerns about the level of security protecting her emails, since they resided outside government control.

So, what then kicked off the classification review?

The State Department told a federal court in May that it would be reviewing Mrs. Clinton’s emails for any sensitive information in consultation with other government agencies before releasing them. Such precautions are a routine part of the Freedom of Information Act process. However, a few months later two inspectors general — independent, internal government watchdogs — raised concerns about the thoroughness of that process as part of an independent audit. Specifically, the two IGs warned that classified information had already been released publicly by the State Department and recommended that other intelligence agencies be more involved in the screening. The intelligence community inspector general found four emails in Mrs. Clinton’s email trove that appeared to be classified when they were sent. Since then, reviewers from five intelligence agencies have identified 305 emails out of about 6,000 that have been designed for further scrutiny to ensure they contain no classified material.

Explain the classification system. That’s like “Confidential” or “Secret”?

Yes. The classification system is laid out by executive order and aims to protect national security information. Generally, classified information is designated either “Confidential,” “Secret” or “Top Secret.” All three require various levels of security clearances and secure computer systems or access procedures designed protect the information. As head of the State Department, Mrs. Clinton had some power to determine what information her department considered classified. But she was also obligated to protect the classified information shared with her by other agencies.

How does that relate to the FBI probe?

Once the two inspectors general discovered that classified information was on a server not in the government’s possession, they made a referral to the FBI about the situation. The IGs “did not make a criminal referral,” they said in a July statement. “It was a security referral made for counter intelligence purposes. The [Intelligence Community Inspector General] is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information” to appropriate officials. Department of Justice officials have said Mrs. Clinton herself is not a target of the investigation.

What are some of the emails under scrutiny?

As mentioned earlier in this Q&A, the inspector general for the intelligence community said earlier this year he found four emails containing material that was classified at the time they were written. The State Department and the Clinton campaign now disagree with that assessment.  Two of the four emails were identified by Fox News on Wednesday as two emails flagged by the inspector general as part of its referral to the FBI. Both were already released publicly as part of an investigation into the death of the U.S. ambassador in Benghazi, Libya. The two emails in question were written by lower-ranking State Department officials and forwarded to Mrs. Clinton by top aides Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who both now work for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign. (Here is the 2011 email forwarded by Ms. Abedin to Mrs. Clinton, and here is the 2012 email from Mr.Sullivan to Mrs. Clinton.)

How can I see more of her her emails?

You can see the full archive in the WSJ.com email archive tool. They are first posted at the State Department’s FOIA site.
What happened to the email server after Mrs. Clinton  left office?

The server was at one point run out of Mrs. Clinton’s home in Chappaqua, N.Y., according to reports. However, Mrs. Clinton’s lawyer said in a letter this month that a private IT firm called Platte River Networks was hired to manage it sometime in 2013 — the same year Mrs. Clinton left her State Department post. That firm has now turned over her server to the FBI. The details about what was on the server when Platte River Networks took control of it are not clear.

What are these thumb drives belonging to David Kendall?

The Intelligence Community inspector general announced last month that it had uncovered that Mrs. Clinton’s personal attorney David Kendall was in possession of a thumb drive containing an archive of her work email. Mr. Kendall acknowledged in a letter that he possessed two other copies of that thumb drive. State Department officials noted that Mrs. Clinton’s attorneys had a security clearance and said they had provided adequate security precautions to allow Mr. Kendall’s firm to store those thumb drives, despite the fact that they were now deemed to have contained classified information. Mr. Kendall turned all of his thumb drives over to the FBI.

Was the server ever wiped?

Mrs. Clinton said in March that she “chose not to keep my private personal emails — emails about planning Chelsea’s wedding or my mother’s funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes.” Mr. Kendall, her lawyer, further affirmed that no emails were left on the server in a March letter to Congress. After a review to identify potential work-related emails, Mrs. Clinton asked that her server be set to only keep 60 days worth of email. Mr. Kendall said in the same letter that no emails from Mrs. Clinton’s time in office remained on the server as of March.
So did she, or did she not, send or receive classified info on her private email?

The State Department and the inspectors general are at odds over this fact. The State Department has said repeatedly that that while some information has been retroactively classified, Mrs. Clinton’s emails did not contain anything classified at the time as far as they were aware.
Other intelligence agencies disagree, saying that her email contains information that was classified at the time and should have been submitted over a secure email system. Because the fight is essentially a bureaucratic turf war over complicated issues of classification, it’s difficult to say at this point without a more complete report.

On Wednesday, campaign spokesman Fallon said: “When it comes to classified information, the standards are not at all black and white.”
What has Mrs. Clinton’s said about it?

In March, Mrs. Clinton said definitively: “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material. So I’m certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”

After the inspectors general report, Mrs. Clinton started to emphasize that the information was not identified as classified — something that the inspectors general also attest to. “I did not send classified material and I did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified — which is the way you know whether something is,” Mrs. Clinton said Tuesday.

On Wednesday, her campaign finally acknowledged the presence of now-classified material but said that such material was only retroactively classified as part of the routine turf war between agencies.

“That’s why we are so confident that this review will remain a security-related review. We think that furthermore this matter is mostly just shining a spotlight on a culture of classification that exists within certain corners of the government, especially the intelligence community,” he said.


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How low will the FBI go?
« Reply #1387 on: August 20, 2022, 11:48:27 PM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/08/sharyl_attkisson_reveals_how_low_the_fbi_will_go.html

From the Pence thread.

Pence: 'Saying defund the FBI is like saying defund the police',  meaning irresponsible.

ccp:
yes
that is why I state we should clean house of those at FBI who are targeting us

not defund them
re direct them back to their original missions
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G M:
New smaller agencies with different missions is the answer.

The FBI needs to be made an example of.... Destroy careers as a lesson to other gov employees.
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(Doug)
Right on both. (IMHO) The bumper sticker, defund the FBI, doesn't show we take the law enforcement seriously, and most steps short of that mean we don't take their own criminal overreach seriously.

My approach (in every department) is "zero based budgeting".  Time permitting,  every employee,  every department, every function, every mission, every dollar gets scrutinized. Your funding doesn't continue because it was once funded by a previous Congress and previous administration. We look at results. It gets funded only if it is necessary and a proper role for federal government that no other government or agency could do better.

Trump 1.0 had trouble right from the transition.  They did not have thousands,  millions of qualified people ready willing able to step in and take the place of all those who need firing.  Still,  they needed firing and those jobs go unfilled and job listings go out nationwide until we find new public servants, not party/deep state activists, to fill them.

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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1388 on: August 21, 2022, 06:53:56 AM »
"https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/08/sharyl_attkisson_reveals_how_low_the_fbi_will_go.html"

I experience this all the time.
Katherine and I were staying in a motel while looking for. a house in NJ (2002 or 2003)
and we had people move in to the rooms across the hall and next to us all of a sudden

Their excuse according to the hotel manager was they were their for a Rutgers Univ. golf tournament.

They were hacking in to our computer.
One night in the middle of night our printer suddenly turned on by itself.

I bought I think 2 laptops after the first one was hacked into . Eventually the get the codes by following me to the best buy etc., bribery (in the past they used to go through our garbage till we got privy to that)
and within a few days they all get hacked into.

About at least another dozen events occurred letting me know that at least 6 to 8 people involved had also stayed in rooms in the hotel. At least once I saw a girl who followed me to the Home Depot got on line behind me and while I was paying ran out of the line and left.
I could go on but I know this is boring .

Katherine had many songs she had written and they were basically stalking us till they could get them.

one of the hotel janitors tried to open our door
another time I looked out the peep hole and saw a person listening to our front door.
when I opened the door his eyes bugged out and he walked away

the hotel manager who I was complaining to
said this "never happens around here - usually it is very quiet"

funny , after we checked the hotel I realized I might have left something in the room.
so I went back to the room.  The manager and the janitor were taking. off the covers to the electric socket on the wall next to where the crooks were in the next room

I didn't say anything .  They would just deny it.
Try telling this to the "police" and watch them do nothing .

so the Attkinson story is totally believable to me.
I know this stuff happens all the time.


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https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt207g8cb

I suggest you look this book up.


"https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/08/sharyl_attkisson_reveals_how_low_the_fbi_will_go.html"

I experience this all the time.
Katherine and I were staying in a motel while looking for. a house in NJ (2002 or 2003)
and we had people move in to the rooms across the hall and next to us all of a sudden

Their excuse according to the hotel manager was they were their for a Rutgers Univ. golf tournament.

They were hacking in to our computer.
One night in the middle of night our printer suddenly turned on by itself.

I bought I think 2 laptops after the first one was hacked into . Eventually the get the codes by following me to the best buy etc., bribery (in the past they used to go through our garbage till we got privy to that)
and within a few days they all get hacked into.

About at least another dozen events occurred letting me know that at least 6 to 8 people involved had also stayed in rooms in the hotel. At least once I saw a girl who followed me to the Home Depot got on line behind me and while I was paying ran out of the line and left.
I could go on but I know this is boring .

Katherine had many songs she had written and they were basically stalking us till they could get them.

one of the hotel janitors tried to open our door
another time I looked out the peep hole and saw a person listening to our front door.
when I opened the door his eyes bugged out and he walked away

the hotel manager who I was complaining to
said this "never happens around here - usually it is very quiet"

funny , after we checked the hotel I realized I might have left something in the room.
so I went back to the room.  The manager and the janitor were taking. off the covers to the electric socket on the wall next to where the crooks were in the next room

I didn't say anything .  They would just deny it.
Try telling this to the "police" and watch them do nothing .

so the Attkinson story is totally believable to me.
I know this stuff happens all the time.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2022, 09:10:21 AM by Crafty_Dog »

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I will read this GM thanks!
« Reply #1390 on: August 21, 2022, 08:47:29 AM »
I read a few about this stuff

to learn what the hell is going on

war spied turned into corporate spies
past war

white collar criminals - the real professional types - who plan every thing down to each detail
never take chances and are very patient.

they almost NEVER get caught because they know how not to leave evidence
and they know how to bribe and insert *their people* into the right places

like Tony Soprano said in one episode " I got this guy at the DMV "

they spend their lives doing this stuff
and know the ropes that have been learned over God knows how long.

things I never even dreamed of - because I never thought like a crook growing up

and then if they have unlimited funds and connections - forget it.
If they are the government doing this forget it even more...........

Their will be Congressional Committee investigations and they may be revealing but when is the last time anyone can remember any of these leading to real consequences ?







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Re: How far down does the rot in the FBI go?
« Reply #1394 on: August 21, 2022, 06:58:49 PM »
https://www.theepochtimes.com/firing-fbi-leadership-isnt-enough_4672990.html?utm_source=China&utm_campaign=uschina-2022-08-21&utm_medium=email&est=0FY5ULoE6rojAjg81yH9mZC4yQPUkjPOE2fJAIpiuXLYsVvp1c6mMLyWV4bU%2B877Xrp2

All the way.

I know of one young man working on terrorism for the FBI out of the San Francisco office who makes me think there are a lot of rank and file agents who want to do professional, life saving work in law enforcement.

Too bad people at the  top make the whole thing stink.

IRS targeting scandal was just as treasonous. IMHO.  How about ATF and fast and furious?
 Let's not get overly focused on one agency. The problem runs wider, not just deeper.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2022, 04:49:37 AM by DougMacG »


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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1396 on: August 22, 2022, 11:57:53 AM »
Whoa , , ,

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Re: The war on the rule of law; the Deep State
« Reply #1397 on: August 22, 2022, 03:37:49 PM »
"hen Barack Obama and Eric Holder stepped in a few years later, they created the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD). This division specializes in weaponizing surveillance against their political enemies.  The DOJ-NSD had no inspector general oversight and operates within Main Justice, but above the law. "

"by the book Brock"

"no controlling legal authority "

hehehehe

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A question Deep State Andy won't ask
« Reply #1398 on: August 23, 2022, 08:36:12 AM »

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WT: Agents call out 'mob-like mentality' at FBI
« Reply #1399 on: August 23, 2022, 12:09:47 PM »
Agents call out ‘mob-like mentality’ at FBI

Widespread complaints of leaders go to the top

BY KERRY PICKET THE WASHINGTON TIMES

FBI whistleblowers accused bureau management in different field offices of corruption, cover-ups and retaliation against rank-and-file agents who attempted to expose it, The Washington Times has learned. Current and former FBI leaders at the bureau’s offices in Miami, Salt Lake City, Buffalo, New York, and Newark, New Jersey, are facing whistleblower complaints that the supervisors:

• Forced or coerced agents to sign false affidavits.

•Fabricated terrorism cases to pump up performance statistics.


• Sexually harassed and stalked a female agent.

• Engaged in sexual acts with a subordinate in a government vehicle and crashed the vehicle.

One of the whistleblowers, an FBI agent who said superiors, including FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, ignored her accusations of sexual harassment, said the bureau suffers from a “mob-like mentality.”

“The FBI is completely out of control and its culture and structure needs to change. Not only is the political bias completely out of control and disgustingly obvious, the FBI knows they will not be held accountable for their illegal behavior and misconduct,” she said in a letter to Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican on the House Judiciary Committee.

The FBI did not respond to a request for comment.

The Times reviewed some of the complaints and learned details about other complaints from the whistleblowers or their attorney.

The complaints were turned over to Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee and likely will be

Exclusive

part of a broader examination of Justice Department conduct, according to the whistleblowers’ attorney.

The misconduct charges add to the mounting mistrust of the Justice Department and FBI after the Aug. 8 raid of former President Donald Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida. It was the first-ever FBI raid of a former president’s home.

Another whistleblower, a former employee who worked for the FBI office in Buffalo, told The Times that FBI honchos in Washington focus on the volume of cases to evaluate the special agent in charge, or SAC, who runs a field office. That leads some office supervisors to inflate the numbers.

“It’s basically a report card for him, so at the end of his two-year term as a SAC, he gets moved to a better position down in Washington. And everything focuses around his metrics,” the employee said.

“You have to have so many terrorism cases per year in your office, or else you fail,” he said. “So they would come to us and say things like ‘Open up a case. I don’t care if it’s got merit or not. Just open it up. We only have nine, and we need 10 for me to pass.’” This problem is not exclusive to the Buffalo office but is found in FBI field offices all over the country, said Kurt Siuzdak, a former FBI agent and former whistleblower who now serves as a legal counsel for FBI employees who call out corruption at the bureau.

“Every Thanksgiving and Christmas, there’s a number of field offices, and the SAC picks somebody for everybody to follow because it helps them with their metrics,” Mr. Siuzdak said. “So they pick somebody to scrutinize, often without merit from wherever, and that’s the bad guy you need to follow and put your assets on.”

Mr. Siuzdak said field offices have names for these holiday operations, such as “Turkey Day Terrorist” or “Thanksgiving Day Terrorist.”

Mr. Siuzdak has multiple clients in the FBI who say agents in Salt Lake City were coerced to sign a false affidavit, sworn written statements used as evidence in court.

According to the agents’ complaint, Mr. Siuzdak said, the affidavit did not accurately describe the facts and gave the wrong impression of the evidence.

“If your affidavit kind of mischaracterizes something … agents shouldn’t be pressured to sign,” Mr. Siuzdak said. “They should be pressured to sign correct and truthful affidavits.”

Another former agent revealed that a special agent in charge at the Miami field office is accused of engaging in an adulterous affair with an intelligence analyst who was married to another man from a different government agency.

According to the agent’s complaint, the SAC and the intelligence analyst “took an amorous drive” to celebrate his promotion and crashed while engaged in a sex act.

The complaint said the special agent in charge was still promoted. After an internal investigation, his punishment, by his request, was to be demoted back to SAC at the Miami field office.

The complaints add to a torrent of FBI whistleblowers whose accusations include trumped-up domestic terrorism cases and inaccurate labeling of verifi ed evidence against Hunter Biden as disinformation