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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #150 on: November 08, 2015, 07:04:43 PM »
Meaning he would accept a PR vote to that effect or something else?

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #151 on: November 09, 2015, 11:39:11 AM »
Yes, and he suuports PR obtaining statehood.  What does that mean?

2 more Democrat Senators
3 more House Democrats

Bail out of PR which has already defaulted on its debt.

Just what we need...............Greece lite!
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #152 on: November 09, 2015, 01:03:56 PM »
Rubio opposed the bailout of Puerto Rico. 
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/rubio-disagrees-with-puerto-rican-bailout-opposing-bush/2244161
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/rubio-puertorico-213332
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/28/puerto-rico-wont-get-a-bailout-from-congress-commentary.htmlhttp://www.ibtimes.com/marco-rubio-puerto-rico-no-bankruptcy-protection-should-be-given-presidential-2083381

The statehood question I think is more complicated.  I saw that he supported them voting on it, not what the northern 50 should think about that.

I will sway him off of PR statehood if you can get Trump to recant on private takings.  What a great opportunity for both of them to say they were wrong.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #153 on: November 09, 2015, 02:10:53 PM »
Yeah, bring PR into statehood and not bail PR out? Not gonna happen.
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #154 on: November 09, 2015, 02:31:23 PM »
 :-D :-D :-D

Rubio now backtracking on TPP. Now he is undecided on it. What another lying politician steaming pile of ..............


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/08/marco-rubio-tries-rewrite-history-obamatrade/

But after the Wall Street Journal listed Rubio as supporting the pact, a new paragraph suddenly appeared at the end of the piece stating that “Mr. Rubio’s spokesman said that although he backed the bill granting Mr. Obama fast-track trade authority this summer, he has not decided whether to support TPP legislation.”
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #155 on: November 09, 2015, 03:57:44 PM »
Sorry Pat, but IMHO that is a fair distinction.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #156 on: November 11, 2015, 12:09:39 PM »

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #157 on: November 11, 2015, 12:13:53 PM »
CD,

So are we going to see another "I was for it before I was against it " arguments?

Everyone is concerned about Trump flip flopping, but not with Rubio and others?

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #158 on: November 11, 2015, 12:20:50 PM »
I agree that this is a fair question and would be quite surprised if Rubio does not get to hear it quite a bit more.

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Marco Rubio: We need more welders and fewer philosophers
« Reply #159 on: November 12, 2015, 06:07:49 PM »
This is how you answer the minimum wage question, listen up!
Video at the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-minimum-wage_5642a4d5e4b060377346e81e

Did Reagan explain it any better than that?

Watch the crowd reaction at the end.  Maybe they became Rubio fans during the debate.

One diction gaffe if you can catch it, but pretty good for a first term Senator standing in front of 20 million people.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio - in the New Yorkier
« Reply #162 on: November 27, 2015, 09:56:26 AM »
Rubio the Opportunist

This is intended as a hit piece by no doubt a liberal Dem journalist, (sorry for that redundancy).  But other than his bias that occasionally shines through it is actually a very long, detailed story with a lot of facts and information in it about Rubio and the campaign.  There are things is here all the candidates could learn from, such as his dexterity in answering difficult questions.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/30/the-opportunist

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #163 on: November 27, 2015, 07:19:56 PM »
Excellent article.

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WSJ on Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #164 on: November 29, 2015, 04:58:40 AM »

By Patrick O’Connor And
Byron Tau
Nov. 29, 2015 5:30 a.m. ET
16 COMMENTS

DAVENPORT, Iowa—Florida Sen. Marco Rubio likes to remind GOP primary voters of the long odds he faced running for the Senate in 2010.

“Everybody in the Republican establishment came forward and said, ‘You can’t run, it’s not your turn, you’ve got to wait in line,’ ” Mr. Rubio told the crowd at a recent campaign stop in early-voting Iowa.

The underdog narrative helps Mr. Rubio cast himself as a political outsider to a party desperate for change. But it glosses over a basic fact: The 44-year-old Florida senator has spent the bulk of his working life in politics, reared by the party whose leaders he occasionally campaigns against.

This tension between Rubio the insider and Rubio the outsider cuts to the heart of his biggest challenge in the Republican primary—positioning himself as a bridge candidate, while some of his rivals specifically target evangelicals and tea-party conservatives and others focus on rallying the establishment.

Though Mr. Rubio is viewed favorably by different parts of the GOP, his appeal has yet to deepen. He trails the two front-runners—businessman Donald Trump and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson—by wide margins in national polls, and lags behind in every early-voting state, including his native Florida. A super PAC backing his candidacy is trying to change that by launching a $2.5 million ad campaign in three early states in its first major ad buy to date, set to air ahead of the nation’s first nominating contests in February.

According to Wall Street Journal/NBC News polling, Mr. Rubio draws roughly similar support from the four main segments of the GOP primary electorate—centrists, religious conservatives, tea partiers and libertarians. In New Hampshire, he scored equally well among Republican primary voters who want the next president to be a political outsider and those who want someone with prior elected experience, according to a recent survey by WBUR.

In contrast, Sen. Ted Cruz (R., Texas) and Mr. Trump draw much higher marks from tea-party Republicans than from more centrist Republicans or even religious conservatives, according to Journal polling. Mr. Carson, meanwhile, is most popular among tea partiers and religious conservatives.

Researchers at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst recently polled Republican primary voters and found they move fairly fluidly between the top four candidates—Messrs. Trump, Carson, Cruz and Rubio. However, the Florida senator served as a link between the outsiders and the establishment contenders, such as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

“Rubio shares a lot of support with Trump, Carson and [former Hewlett-Packard Co. Chief Executive Carly] Fiorina and with establishment candidates, like Bush and Christie,” said Mia Costa, one of the researchers on that poll. “He’s well-positioned to pick up supporters from both camps.”

On the trail, Mr. Rubio’s message has something for everyone. He often emphasizes his foreign-policy expertise for Republicans who favor who experience. But he also complains about dysfunction in Washington and occasionally riffs about the need to nominate a true conservative, an appeal more often associated with Mr. Cruz and other candidates in that mold.

“What this nation needs is an alternative to the direction that Barack Obama and the radical left-wing elements of the Democratic Party are taking America,” Mr. Rubio told the crowd in Davenport. “That is in a direction that applies the principles of limited government and free enterprise to the unique challenges of a new era.”

On abortion, Mr. Rubio personally opposes exceptions for rape and incest, although he has said he would sign legislation that included both.

His conservative message appears to resonate. A South Carolina survey conducted this month by Public Policy Polling showed the Florida senator garnering roughly similar levels of support from Republicans who identified with the tea party and those who didn’t, as well as Republicans who consider themselves evangelicals and those who don’t.

In the same South Carolina poll, Republicans who described themselves as “somewhat conservative” viewed him more favorably than “moderate” or “very conservative” Republicans. An Iowa poll in October, conducted by Quinnipiac University, revealed a similar trend, with Mr. Rubio performing better among conservative GOP primary voters than more moderate ones.

Mr. Rubio, seeking to expand that base, appeared in Iowa recently with six other candidates at an event for evangelicals organized by the Family Leader, a Christian conservative group. A few days later, he capped a five-day swing through this first-in-the-nation caucus state by meeting with church leaders.

“I haven’t been a Rubio supporter until really tonight,” said Kent Peterson, 61, a journalism teacher from West Des Moines who attended the Family Leader event. “For me, as a conservative Christian, he resonates with my belief system. Every time I hear him, it’s a consistent message.”

Appealing to evangelicals means competing for the support of voters who tend to favor Messrs. Carson and Cruz. Both Republicans frequently outperform Mr. Rubio among tea-party Republicans, evangelicals and those GOP primary voters who consider themselves “very conservative,” both nationally and in the early voting states. At a reception after the Family Leader event, Mr. Rubio’s campaign drew a small crowd, while people flocked to Mr. Cruz, Mrs. Fiorina and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Mr. Rubio could miss out if he neglects or alienates more centrist voters with his efforts to court conservatives. “He could be a bridge candidate, but can he walk that line without turning off the Main Street crowd?” asked John Stineman, a Republican operative in Iowa who ran races in the state for former GOP presidential candidates Steve Forbes and Phil Gramm but remains unaffiliated this year. “He doesn’t want to be painted as the establishment candidate, but he does want to benefit from their support.”

The Florida senator, the son of Cuban immigrants, has straddled the divide between the insiders and the outsiders for much of his career. He started interning for a local congresswoman in college and volunteered for another Cuban-American Republican running for a U.S. House seat. Both wrote his recommendations for law school, according to Mr. Rubio’s memoir, “An American Son.”

After law school, Mr. Rubio organized voters in South Florida for former Kansas Sen. Bob Dole’s unsuccessful 1996 White House bid. His team included a future congressman and the state’s current lieutenant governor, Carlos López-Cantera. As a joke, some volunteers made a “Rubio for President” sign from a Dole yard sign and that of another Rubio running for local office.

But Mr. Rubio has been an underdog in most of his campaigns for elected office, including his first run for the state Legislature. He eventually became speaker. In 2010, he traveled Florida addressing groups organized by the then-nascent tea-party movement in his uphill race against then-Gov. Charlie Crist for the Republican nomination to a vacant Senate seat.

Since joining the Senate, Mr. Rubio has maintained that balancing act. He delivered the party’s official response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address in 2013 and alienated a number of conservative supporters that same year for his role in shaping a sweeping immigration overhaul that would have created a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally.

“Once upon a time I did support him, but now, no, absolutely not,” said Edna Mattos, a tea-party activist in Florida who frequently invited Mr. Rubio to rallies during his 2010 Senate race. “He’s a flip-flopper.”

Mr. Rubio frequently sides with the most conservative elements of the Senate on high-stakes legislation, opposing a series of must-pass budget deals, a hurricane-relief bill and legislation to raise the country’s borrowing limit. He joined Mr. Cruz on the Senate floor during the latter’s talk-a-thon against the Affordable Care Act in the fall of 2013 when the government was headed toward a partial shutdown.

The Florida senator generated a standing ovation at the Values Voter Summit in Washington in September when he announced former Speaker John Boehner’s decision to resign. “I’m not here today to bash anyone,” Mr. Rubio told the crowd at a Washington hotel. “But the time has come to turn the page.”

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Re: WSJ on Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #165 on: November 30, 2015, 09:51:59 AM »
Yes, he is bridging the gap between insider and outsider.  He risks being first choice of neither.

When the frontrunner insults the other candidates, he is also insulting their supporters.  When Rubio talks about Trump's support, he first validates their frustrations with the status quo and with the Republicans in Washington.
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Pat says (correctly) that Rubio has not done significant work outside of politics.  For that, I would nominate Sen Ron Johnson, R-WI, former manufacturing CEO, tea party incumbent, currently trailing Russ Feingold by double digits.  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/wi/wisconsin_senate_johnson_vs_feingold-3740.html

What is needed right now, unfortunately more than resume and experience, is the ability to communicate, to reach and persuade people who aren't getting a conservative message from anywhere else.  Trump says he will be great.  Rubio says the American people will be great.  Which message will resonate with the most people who turn out to vote?  [I don't know.]

Highly qualified while taking second place isn't going to do it.  Rubio hasn't run anything, nor has Cruz.  Trump has no experience working in a bureaucratic, co-equal branches, hostile media environment.  The top governors in this race were unable to communicate or set a vision for the country or for this race.  Trump and Carson have never been on a ballot until now, much less won a race.  Rubio has won every race he entered all the way up, including the one below where he got nearly 50% and a million vote margin against a popular incumbent governor and a Democratic member of congress in a most divided, swing state:

Marco Rubio    Charlie Crist    Kendrick Meek
 Republican     Independent    Democratic
 2,645,743       1,607,549       1,092,936
    48.9%          29.7%           20.2%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2010
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #166 on: November 30, 2015, 12:13:10 PM »
"What is needed right now, unfortunately more than resume and experience, is the ability to communicate, to reach and persuade people who aren't getting a conservative message from anywhere else.  Trump says he will be great.  Rubio says the American people will be great."

Nor has Rubio ever made donations to Hillary, Pelosi, supported single payer, blah blah.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2015, 02:15:34 PM »
"If I have this right, Cruz was against Hillary's Libya policy and Rubio a gung ho supporter.  Is this correct?"

Supporting regime change in Libya doesn't mean he supported Obama's methods.  Off the top of my head, some differences:

1.  Rubio supported taking it to congress, the constitutional process.  The Obama administration did not.  Debate there might have stopped it.

2.  Rubio supported America leading.  Hillary / Obama did not.

3.  Rubio urged the President to immediately recognize the Interim Transitional National Council as the legitimate government in Libya. http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/marco-rubio-urges-senate-leaders-authorize-force-libya-back-regime-change#sthash.YUBE5tIK.dpuf

That is not the same as bypassing congress, leaving the invasion to others and leaving the country to al Qaida and street gangs to control.

One other point bears saying, it would appear that Khadafy was about to fall anyway - into the hands of Islamic extremists.  A successful intervention might have steered that into more moderate hands.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/rubio-takes-lead/556049

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2015, 02:55:55 PM »
Very helpful Doug.  It would appear Sen. Cruz was playing a tad fast and loose , , ,

What about what his strategy for the ISIS, Syria, et al in the Middle East?

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio, latest poll Dec 2015
« Reply #169 on: December 09, 2015, 09:24:15 AM »
Also in Presidential thread:

Rubio is the only one to lead Clinton in the general election matchup with a 7 point advantage over Trump, 5 better than Cruz.

Clinton 48, Trump 44    Clinton +4
Clinton 47, Cruz 45       Clinton +2
Rubio 48,   Clinton 45   Rubio +3
Carson 45,  Clinton 46   Clinton +1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #170 on: December 09, 2015, 10:36:51 AM »
And as in the other thread.

Real Clear politics only uses a few polls, those doing phone calls. On-line polls are ignored. Yet those show Trump with the biggest leads and also that he too is beating Hillary.

What is this fascination with Rubio? Do people really want another Amnesty loving Bush?  A Moderate Pub bought for by the COC and Wall Street? Maybe he will be good for the Upper Class, but for the Middle Class, forget it.
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #171 on: December 09, 2015, 11:10:38 AM »
Crissakes Pat, he has backed off from the amnesty thing for a long time now-- politicians SHOULD adjust course in response to the people sometimes!  And he is plenty fine on plenty of issues.

And, , , and this is REAL fg important, HE IS THE MOST LiKELY TO BEAT HILLARY.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #172 on: December 09, 2015, 12:44:36 PM »
"in this we agree.  Dole was, and is, an irrelevancy."  - Crafty to Pat.

I imagine that Marco Rubio is scrambling right now behind the scenes to get Dole, Romney, Bush, Ford, McCain, Kasich, Graham, Petaki and Mitch McConnell to NOT support him.  )

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #173 on: December 09, 2015, 12:56:36 PM »
CD,

Did  you hear what he told Telemondo in Spanish a couple of months ago? My wife did and she freaked. He let them know he supported Amnesty, but just did not use the word Amnesty specifically.   He is another lying gas bag like the rest.

I will be around to say "I told you so" if he wins.................if I have not joined DDF in Mexico by that time.
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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #174 on: December 09, 2015, 04:10:12 PM »
Perchance do you have a URL of that?  I'd love to hear it.


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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2015, 07:53:18 AM »
He couched it in ambiguous terms.......but here is the Beast.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/18/in-spanish-language-interview-marco-rubio-says-he-believes-obamas-executive-amnesty-is-important/

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/on-immigration-rubio-chooses-words-carefully/2228864

For Rubio, Immigration means providing them Amnesty in a form he can deny is Amnesty.

Now, he comes out and opposes any stop on Muslim immigration, even to allow for the US to figure out what is going on.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/12/04/sens-rubio-graham-vote-continue-muslim-immigration-countries-jihadist-movements/

And with Syria

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rubio-ok-sending-us-troops-syria-numbers-might-even-have-be-larger

Rubio and the others who want to send more troops in to Syria and Iraq are fucking idiots who don't know a damned thing about the military. This is especially so when they talk about sending up to 10 or 20k troops. Here is why I say this:

1. The troops would need bases. Where are they going to come from in Syria?

2. 10k of troops would require large amounts of infrastructure and logistical support. Where does that come from?

3. Of the 10k in troops, only about 2500 at the most would be shooters. The rest are support.

4. How are the shooters going to get to the action?  Choppers......in an area with an incredible amount of SAMs all over.  And with choppers, even more troops would be dedicated to logistics and support.

5. Spread the troops around the country? Need Forward Operating Bases from the main base. That means more support troops and security in those areas. More logistical issues. And those troops become at even greater risk.

6. Increase the number to 20k troops. Still have the same problems and shooters will only increase marginally to the additional 10k of troops.

These people are absolute idiots.
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NY Times today, Page A1: Rubio Measure Delivers a Blow to Health Law
« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2015, 09:17:57 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-obamacare-affordable-care-act.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act
By ROBERT PEARDEC. 9, 2015 

Photo: Senator Marco Rubio at a campaign event in Greenland, N.H., last week. He attached a provision limiting how much the government can spend to protect insurance companies against financial losses to a spending law last year. Credit Ian Thomas Jansen-Lonnquist for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — A little-noticed health care provision that Senator Marco Rubio of Florida slipped into a giant spending law last year has tangled up the Obama administration, sent tremors through health insurance markets and rattled confidence in the durability of President Obama’s signature health law.

So for all the Republican talk about dismantling the Affordable Care Act, one Republican presidential hopeful has actually done something toward achieving that goal.

Mr. Rubio’s efforts against the so-called risk corridor provision of the health law have hardly risen to the forefront of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but his plan limiting how much the government can spend to protect insurance companies against financial losses has shown the effectiveness of quiet legislative sabotage.

The risk corridors were intended to help some insurance companies if they ended up with too many new sick people on their rolls and too little cash from premiums to cover their medical bills in the first three years under the health law. But because of Mr. Rubio’s efforts, the administration says it will pay only 13 percent of what insurance companies were expecting to receive this year. The payments were supposed to help insurers cope with the risks they assumed when they decided to participate in the law’s new insurance marketplaces.

Mr. Rubio’s talking point is bumper-sticker ready. The payments, he says, are “a taxpayer-funded bailout for insurance companies.” But without them, insurers say, many consumers will face higher premiums and may have to scramble for other coverage. Already, some insurers have shut down over the unexpected shortfall.

“Risk corridors have become a political football,” said Dawn H. Bonder, the president and chief executive of Health Republic of Oregon, an insurance co-op that announced in October it would close its doors after learning that it would receive only $995,000 of the $7.9 million it had expected from the government. “We were stable, had a growing membership and could have been successful if we had received those payments. We relied on the payments in pricing our plans, but the government reneged on its promise. I am disgusted.”

Blue Cross and Blue Shield executives have warned the administration and Congress that eliminating the federal payments could have a devastating impact on insurance markets.

Twelve of the 23 nonprofit insurance cooperatives created under the law have failed, disrupting coverage for more than 700,000 people, and co-op executives like Ms. Bonder have angrily cited the sharp reduction in federal payments as a factor in their demise.

But Mr. Rubio is pressing forward, demanding a provision in the final spending bill now under negotiation that continues the current risk corridor restrictions, or even eliminates the program altogether. That enormous spending bill is being worked out as Congress slides toward a deadline of Friday, when much of the federal government’s funding runs out.

“If you want to be involved in the exchanges and you lose money, the American taxpayer should not have to bail you out,” Mr. Rubio said on the Senate floor on Thursday.

A White House spokeswoman, Katie Hill, declined to offer the administration’s position on proposals that she said were still theoretical. “We are not going to weigh in on the possible inclusion of proposals floated by members of Congress” in potential legislation, she said.

Congress established the program in 2010 to protect insurers against the uncertainties they faced in setting the level of insurance premiums when they did not know who would sign up for coverage under the Affordable Care Act. Under the law, the federal government shares risk with insurers, limiting their gains and losses on insurance sold in the public marketplaces from 2014 through 2016. If consumer payments to an insurer exceed the company’s medical expenses by a certain amount, the insurer pays some of that profit to the government. But if premium payments fall short of medical expenditures by a certain amount, the insurer is eligible for payments from the government.

The hope was that payments into the program would be in balance with payments out, shielding taxpayers from responsibility.

Mr. Rubio latched on to the issue in late 2013, recognizing not only the importance of risk corridors to the operation of the Affordable Care Act but also the political potency of a program he labeled crony capitalism — putting taxpayers “on the hook for Washington’s mistakes,” as he said when he reintroduced his risk corridor bill in January.

The “bailouts” of big banks and other financial firms during the economic crisis of 2008 and the rescue of the Big Three automakers that year and the next remain politically unpopular.

Then the numbers rolled in from the insurance exchanges’ first year of operation: Losses were so steep that insurance-company requests for risk corridor payments were $2.9 billion, compared with only $362 million paid into the program by profitable plans.

Mr. Rubio says he “saved taxpayers $2.5 billion” — the difference between those two amounts — because his measure prevented the government from using other sources of money for the risk corridor payments.

The administration has repeatedly told insurers that it will explore other funding sources to keep its commitment to companies losing money in the exchanges, but Mr. Rubio effectively tied the hands of federal health officials this year.

Like many other observers of the health law, the Obama administration initially failed to appreciate the impact of the Rubio restrictions. Kevin J. Counihan, the chief executive of the federal insurance marketplace, told state officials in July that money collected from insurance companies would be “sufficient to pay for all risk corridor payments.” More recently, the administration consoled insurers by telling them that it would make additional risk corridor payments from money collected in 2015 and 2016.

But in a new report, the credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s says that money will not be there.

Mr. Rubio says Mr. Obama compounded his problems by diverting risk corridor funds to quell a 2013 furor over canceled insurance policies. That year, the president announced that states could let insurers renew canceled plans and continue coverage for several years even if those policies did not meet the requirements of the federal health law.

Insurers were shocked by the sudden change. They had set 2014 premiums on the assumption that healthy people with old insurance policies would move into the new marketplace, but Mr. Obama allowed many of them to stay out. In a letter to state insurance commissioners in November 2013, the administration said “the risk corridor program should help ameliorate unanticipated changes in premium revenue.”

Five days later, Mr. Rubio introduced his bill to kill the risk corridor program.

Insurers now are lobbying to get more of the money they say they were promised, or to get relief in some other form.

Mr. Rubio has highlighted the role of Marilyn B. Tavenner, the former Obama administration official in charge of rolling out HealthCare.gov who is now president of the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans.

“The former Obama administration official who led the rollout of Obamacare’s exchanges and now runs the health insurance lobby is working with her White House allies to secure a new bailout by providing more funding for the law’s risk corridor program,” Mr. Rubio said last week.

Clare Krusing, a spokeswoman for the insurance group, said the federal payments were not a bailout for the industry, but a way of stabilizing the market and thus protecting consumers. “When health plans cannot rely on the government to meet its obligations,” she said, “individuals and families are harmed.”

A version of this article appears in print on December 10, 2015, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Rubio Measure Delivers a Blow to Health Law.

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Re: Senator Marco Rubio
« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2015, 09:55:50 AM »
There has been much written on this, but there does appear to be an issue at this point from what I understand.

The provision works as long as a budget is in place. But the Continuing Resolution that was passed in place of this provision does not apply. So the argument is that the CR avoids the need to follow the provision.

If so, the provision means nothing until a new budget is actually passed. And we have seen the propensity of the Congress to pass budgets.
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« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2015, 10:06:22 AM »
If I have this right, it sounds pretty shrewd of Rubio to me.

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« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2015, 10:28:51 AM »
So you going to Rubio?  What about his Muslim immigrants?

Of course, you have the ability to defend yourself unarmed against all the Muslim terrorists that will come in under Rubio. I don't have that benefit since in CA, I can't keep a weapon handy outside my home.
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« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2015, 11:11:02 AM »


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« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2015, 01:41:33 PM »
A political point or two on Muslim immigrants.  We've had a republic for something like 240 years.  The shooting in San Bern was not something totally new, the Ft Hood guy was Muslim, the DC suburban shooters were Muslim.  What is new is that Donald Trump, out of the blue one day, said no more Muslim immigrants. Pressed on it he doubled down, and the call went out to all others to disavow or join with this alleged policy proposal.  Is that policy going to happen - even if Trump wins?  No.  We are arguing over blurry lines in the sand, not cleanly drawn ones as Trump pretends it to be.  

Yes we need to tighten down admissions and security right now.  We are under attack which makes it a good time to double check all our security procedures, and they are in shambles.  It isn't something simple like saying no one comes from Syria, because plenty of people we would call Syrians have Norwegian and Swedish passports even though they don't look, speak or pray the least bit Scandinavian.  This isn't a religious test; it's terror test and the answer doesn't come easily.  We need new policies and we need enforcement of our existing ones.  

If you are a candidate (Rubio) and your competitor (Trump) can say anything and demand your instant position on it at anytime, you have just conceded the terms of the race to your opponent  Those who would fold to Trump would fold to Hillary, Barack, msm, Iran, ISIS, etc.  (Did I just put all those in the same group?)  Cruz has an immigration proposal.  Rubio has one.   The answer from Rubio, Cruz, Carson should be, I have a plan, you can ask me about mine and Trump about his.

Current laws aren't being enforced.  There are a LOT of things we could do for security right now without putting a presumption of guilt on all Muslim people, even the good ones already here.  If this is a good one, let Trump defend it.  It's not Trump's competitor's job to cover him, and the rejection of his idea does not mean you favor letting all terrorists in.  That is a straw Trump.

I favor a pause on legal immigration from everywhere until we get a handle on vetting - and I oppose all illegal immigration.  We need to vet some people who are already here and then vet the people who wish to be here.  The idea of treating Muslims differently than others is a delicate one, if not a flawed one. (Does Trump really not see that - as he reinforces his floor and his ceiling?)  Better to accomplish the security objective with a hard set of criteria that apply to all, IMHO.    
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« Reply #183 on: December 12, 2015, 08:18:20 PM »
Rubio for certain benefits of Obamacare, especially the $10k subsidy paid to him. But this is not an issue to be concerned about.......yada yada yada.

http://www.newsweek.com/rubio-enrolled-obamacare-subsidy-cheap-shotgun-404156
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« Reply #184 on: December 13, 2015, 09:28:35 AM »
Rubio for certain benefits of Obamacare, especially the $10k subsidy paid to him. But this is not an issue to be concerned about.......yada yada yada.
http://www.newsweek.com/rubio-enrolled-obamacare-subsidy-cheap-shotgun-404156

For myself, I take it as a badge of honor that I actively oppose government programs of which I receive an economic benefit.

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« Reply #185 on: December 13, 2015, 10:05:29 AM »
Badge of Honor.  Is that sarcasm?
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« Reply #186 on: December 13, 2015, 02:14:48 PM »
Badge of Honor.  Is that sarcasm?

The article is clear, the law gives Rubio's family an employer contribution toward healthcare.  Rubio favors repeal of that law.

Should Bernie Sanders pay a 90% tax rate now if he opposes all tax cuts since Eisenhower?  No.  He should pay what is required under the law and then work to change the law.

How about that journalism at  the link, Newsweek.  They conclude based on the Rubio family experience that the law is working as intended - without a word about rates skyrocketing for all ("Affordable Care") with millions still uninsured.  But happy to take a personal shot at someone who tried to follow the law.

Why the big effort to take down a 9%er?  Is it because he leads the pack in general election polling?

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« Reply #187 on: December 13, 2015, 03:43:59 PM »
The media is going to take down any non-Dem candidate when they can. It is just how they function. Just like Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce. They will support their goals, no matter whether their goals are benefits anyone but themselves.

I see now that PAC reform is needed. The Citizen's United ruling though correct, left too many ways to exploit campaign laws.
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« Reply #188 on: December 14, 2015, 09:57:25 AM »
Pat,  I agree with you on the first part of that.  That was a leftist claim against Rubio (he bought employer sponsored healthcare for his family) and we want all the leftist claims to be aired and answered now so we are not blindsided later.

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« Reply #189 on: December 14, 2015, 11:22:43 AM »
The problem for this with Rubio is that most other Senators have refused the subsidy.
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« Reply #190 on: December 14, 2015, 11:35:32 AM »
The problem for this with Rubio is that most other Senators have refused the subsidy.

Yes, like defeating inflation by wearing a Gerald Ford "Whip inflation Now" button, while Rubio was taking down Obamacare in law attacking its government bailout foundation.

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« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2015, 12:13:25 PM »


Everyone believes that Rubio is such a staunch conservative..............wait until the RINO comes out if he is elected.........I will not be "let down" again.
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« Reply #192 on: December 14, 2015, 02:25:27 PM »
Everyone believes that Rubio is such a staunch conservative..............wait until the RINO comes out if he is elected.........I will not be "let down" again.

As a math guy I know that risk includes UPSIDE risk and that is my bet with Rubio.  The others already precluded themselves from winning, making positions and consistency irrelevant.

If we believe the polls posted, the alternatives to Rubio remaining are Hillary and someone who will lose to Hillary.  No thank you.

Trump admits to not being a staunch conservative, supports private takings, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid, single payer and amnesty (http://www.aei.org/publication/message-to-the-gop-trump-supports-amnesty/).  No let down there, nor with Hillary.

Rubio worked as part of the gang of NINE, trying to pre-empt Obama's unilateral, far worse action.  Rubio knew that the ninth member, the Republican House, was a check on what came out of the Dem controlled Senate, but a bill passed in both is necessary to go to conference.  Now Rubio favors border security first, not comprehensive reform.  Where else is he wishy washy?

If a candidate can't change his/her mind or position based on political realities, scratch the whole Trump candidacy, and Hillary.

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« Reply #193 on: December 14, 2015, 03:01:26 PM »
 :-D  Rubio can't even get to 20%.  How can he even win the nomination?  Oh, I forgot............The GOPe will install him, and then he beats Hillary.
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« Reply #194 on: December 14, 2015, 08:49:36 PM »
"Rubio can't even get to 20%"

True, but no one accuses him of peaking too early.

Trump clearly won warmup.

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« Reply #195 on: December 15, 2015, 06:06:38 AM »
Try this on for size Pat.

Rubio consistently polls best against Hillary.  Therefor RUBIO IS THE FRONT RUNNER, NOT TRUMP. 


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« Reply #196 on: December 15, 2015, 09:28:50 PM »
Try this on for size Pat.

Rubio consistently polls best against Hillary.  Therefor RUBIO IS THE FRONT RUNNER, NOT TRUMP. 



I wonder how Rubio is going to win with Trump supporters giving it to Hillary?

How many times have Republicans lambasted Independents and Libertarians? Too many. Let it rot. Start over.

It may be time for the people entrenched with "having it their way," to learn the meaning of compromise. Trump.  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2015, 10:58:21 AM »
CD,

Let's see about the numbers.

Trump is showing 41% versus with Rubio either a high of 17% or a low of 7% and every other poll in between. Clearly Trump is winning there.

Now to the Hillary match up. 

Rubio is ahead and Trump behind. What this means is that there are a lot of people who are no opinion at this time on either against Hillary. And it suggests that the GOP regulars are not going to support Trump in the General Election. Same as Trump supporters with Rubio.  But the Trump supporters are supposed to fall in line and support Rubio for the good of the Party, yet the same does not apply to the non Trump supporters.

Of course, for Rubio to be the nominee, he must win the primaries and based upon the numbers, he can't win at this time unless Trump got caught in bed with a man. Or the GOP and the Convention changes the rules to let Rubio in.

Can you show me a road map for Rubio to get the nomination with his numbers? I can't see one.................

And.......Screw the Party. They no longer speak for me. In fact, they haven't spoken for me in almost two decades.

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« Reply #198 on: December 16, 2015, 11:44:04 AM »
pp, That wasn't to me but you are right.  As the numbers sit now, Rubio cannot win the nomination and Trump is a 2 in 12 bet on the general election.  Both have major work to do.  The Rubio-Hillary general election numbers already take into account Trump's supporters, same polls.  Neither side can point to their good part of the poll and ignore the other side of it.  Neither becomes President as it sits now.  This will shift in one direction or another.  More likely in my estimation, momentum will shift 3 more times.  Hold on...

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« Reply #199 on: December 16, 2015, 12:48:08 PM »
DMG, you are correct that there will be more shake ups, primarily changing positions with Rubio and Cruz, unless Trump really screws up.

After the debate, I think that we shall see Cruz strengthen some. Rubio and Trump, not much movement until the next major event affecting the public like another attack. time for the others to go.....
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