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DougMacG

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #103 on: August 06, 2019, 05:57:56 AM »
ccp:
Frankly *some* of the stuff in the murderer's written piece IS EXACTLY RIGHT but by making it famous through cold blooded murder ... "
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LA Times had a piece called 4 things mass shooters have in common.  What they mostly missed and downplayed are: 1. Shooters go to gun free zones for their own protection, and 2. The copycat and notoriety aspect of a suicidal person going out this way.  Obviously, shooters want the attention or they would just go away quietly.  Deny them that.

The media attention and the craving for information about them by the media consumers contributes to the problem.

In terms of wrongful deaths, more people die from _______ than from mass shootings, fill in the blank.
Murders in a few neighborhoods in Chicago.  Car crashes.  Abortions.  Work related accidents.  Bicycle crashes.  Medical malpractice.  Smoking/lung  cancer.  Etc.

Except to disprove leftist false accusations that it's all one side, I do not want to know the names, views, lives or struggles of these people.  If you want my attention, get it some other way.  We can't have a conversation or even a vicious argument if you shoot everyone in the room.

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Toxic Culture and Red Flags
« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2019, 06:40:37 PM »
https://www.thediplomad.com/2019/08/toxic-culture-and-red-flags.html

Tuesday, August 6, 2019
Toxic Culture and Red Flags

The latest murderous outrages in El Paso and Dayton didn't take long to produce a "blame on" torrent from the usual and even some unusual suspects. We had the usual suspects blaming President Trump  for his "divisive" rhetoric and supposed adherence to "white supremacy." Not a sparrow falls but that President Trump doesn't get blamed. A deranged Aussie environmentalist, who hates Trump, goes off the rails and murders 51 people in a couple of mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and it's Trump's fault. A lunatic environmentalist supporter of Senators Warren and Sanders goes nuts in Dayton, Ohio, kills nine people, and it's Trump's fault. A bizarre and cowardly (he wore ear protectors; not the sign of an intending kamikaze) environmentalist racist who hates Trump goes ape in El Paso, murders 21 people, and, of course, it's Trump's fault. As I write this, I hear the mayor of Dayton essentially blaming the killings in her city on Trump; she's the mayor, she runs the police in Dayton, she has the power to control the streets, but it's the President's fault that there are killings on those streets of Dayton. Right. OK. Gotcha.

I also hear some weird stuff from people who should know better.

Lots of talk from otherwise sane people about "red flags." Even the President's speechwriters had him support that stupid idea du jour. Oh, yes, we will design a process to "red flag" certain people for certain non-violent behavior, aka speech, and then use it in some as yet unspecified way to prevent them from exercising their second amendment rights. We see floating about various ideas and even pieces of proposed legislation to create some sort of list drawing data from somewhere or other to use to "intervene" in some way (dispatch of Sheriff's Deputies is my guess) to prevent guns from falling into the "wrong hands." Sure thing, buddy. Sing it out John Paul, George, and Ringo, "Back in the USSR, boys . . . "

I have written before about progressive infatuation with "gun control" lists  and "mental health" (December 9, 2015). What do you think will happen with such a process? Whom do you think will control it? How long before conservatives, and others out of political favor get a "red flag"? Shall we have the same kind of people who run Google, YouTube, and Twitter control it? How about the sort who run progressive-controlled city councils? What possibly could go wrong? How long before we have the sort of fraud we see in the MeToo movement and the racial hate hoax plague spread to "gun control"? Due process, anybody? Who, by the way, are these "mental health experts" who will determine whether somebody deserves his second amendment rights? Should we have them for our other rights? Are these the same experts, for example, who for centuries told us that  homosexuality is a "personality disorder" or the ones who now insist we must not only accept it but praise it, embrace it, promote it? Mental health, of course, is settled science of the highest and most reliable order . . . right up there with the Piltdown Man and man-made global cooling, warming, change, or whatever.

Oh, yes, folks, but lest you think otherwise, there is something out there worthy of a "red flag"--but it's not being discussed at all.

All over the West, not just in the USA, we have created in the past three or four decades a vile, toxic culture that leads to the sorts of murderous sprees we have seen, for example, in Norway, New Zealand, and, of course, the USA. Radicalization via Internet? Sure, but it goes much deeper than that. It goes deeper than porno and vile video games.

There is a pervasive rot spread by Hollywood, the universities, and the media, both new and legacy. It tells us we must welcome endless waves of dirt-poor aliens, who enter our country illegally, and ply them with free health care, voting rights, housing, and free schooling. We must sing the praises of single mothers; promote abortion up to the moment of birth and even beyond. Judeo-Christian values, institutions, and traditions are ripe for ridicule and destruction, and, of course, deservedly so! Western history, after all, is just an endless catalog of racism, imperialism, genocide, patriarchy, and assault on the very earth. Gaia weeps because of the white man!

Man. Men. Male. These are now foul words and concepts. There is an ongoing war, yes, war, against men and what it means to be male, in our decrepit universities, in the decaying industry known as Hollywood (notice that white men have virtually disappeared from TV commercials?) and in the media. Instead, for example, of celebrating the amazing accomplishment of American men landing on the moon, the WaPo harangues us with nonsense that the Soviet moon program was much more diverse and, of course, it sent the first woman into space and the first non-white into space. Don't you dare think, much less say, "Yes, but the object was to get to the moon first."

We see, as I have written before, young men alienated from their culture, told by their intellectual betters than they are all rapists and murderers and racists and just plain "TOXIC!" University orientation programs seek to deprogram the male out of young men students. Hollywood tells them they are murderers and clowns, that the future is female, and, besides, women can kick your ass, buddy! These men find the universities, the entertainment industry, the media, and the work environment hostile. Many retreat into delusional and dangerous corners of the Internet, and link up with others like them. They have no historical context for what is happening as the schools are garbage and no longer teach history, or Western philosophy, or the great accomplishments of the West; they pick up scattered and often insane ideas from weird web sites that promote dark conspiracy theories. Yes, they are radicalized by the Internet but the roots go deeper.

We are destroying Western Civilization and the result is bloody massacre.

That's your "red flag."




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Tucker Carlson & : American Tragedy
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2019, 08:36:27 PM »


American Tragedy
By Tucker Carlson & Neil Patel
 August 16, 2019

One thing about tragedies: They reveal people for who they really are.  In the past two weeks, we've learned a lot about our media and political  class. Our country endured two separate and horrifying mass shootings,  one in El Paso, Texas, and the other in Dayton, Ohio. Between them, at  least 31 people were murdered. Two massacres, back to back. It's  tempting to look for themes that connect them, but if there are any,  they're not political. One gunman appeared to be a Trump voter. The  other supported Sen. Elizabeth Warren. There's no obvious ideological  lesson here. But that hasn't stopped the usual power-hungry politicians  from trying to leverage human pain for political advantage. Here's just a  sampling of the commentary from the Democratic presidential field:

Rep. Beto O'Rourke: "You don't get mass shootings like these, you don't  torch mosques, you don't put kids in cages until you have a president  who has given people permission to do that. And that is exactly what is  happening in the United States of America today."

Mayor Pete Buttigieg: "It is very clear that this kind of hate is being legitimized from on high."

Warren: "White supremacy is a domestic terrorism threat in the same way  that foreign terrorism threatens our people. And it is the  responsibility of the president of the United States to help fight back  against that, not to wink and nod and smile at it and let it get  stronger in this country."

Mayor Julian Castro: "This echoes the kind of language that our president encourages."

Sen. Cory Booker: "I want to say with more moral clarity that Donald Trump is responsible for this."

Thirty-one dead, and the only thing these politicians can think about  is how to terrify Americans into voting for them. These are our  political leaders. Their comments are disgusting. They're also totally  unimpressive, unequal to the task of fixing a society that on some days  seems on the verge of collapse. Maybe that's why they spend so much time  trying to divert our attention from America's actual problems.

Nobody really believes this is about Trump or about assault weapons. If  only it were that simple. Our problems go far deeper. What's the real  diagnosis? Author James Howard Kunstler, one of our wisest cultural  observers, summed it up this way: "This is exactly what you get in a  culture where anything goes and nothing matters. Extract all the meaning  and purpose from being here on earth, and erase as many boundaries as  you can from custom and behavior, and watch what happens, especially  among young men trained on video slaughter games."

He's right.  Young men are the problem. Many of our boys are living in what Kunstler  describes as an "abyss of missing social relations" with "no  communities, no fathers, no mentors, no initiations into personal  responsibility, no daily organizing principles, no instruction in useful  trades, no productive activities, no opportunities for love and  affection, and no way out."

Our leaders are too cowardly to say  so, but the signs are everywhere. Mass shootings are just the final  manifestation. Suicide rates for young Americans are the highest ever  measured. So are drug-related deaths. Fifteen percent of millennials  still live with their parents. Fifty years ago, more than 80% of  American adults ages 25 to 34 were already married and living with a  spouse. Today, less than half of adults in that age range are married. A  huge portion of American young people aren't in any kind of  relationship at all. It's no wonder millions of young people feel  helpless, miserable and alone. They lack friends or parents or religious  organizations to give their lives purpose and moral coherence. They  live in a suffocating culture they feel no control over: Local identity  and local institutions are the weakest they've ever been in this  country.

Most people think our democracy is fake. The policies  they live under, the jobs they hold and even their personal opinions are  controlled by tech monopolists, media scolds and Washington  bureaucrats. America is supposed to be a free country, but millions of  young people look around and feel like they're trapped in a stagnant  dystopia. In such an environment, a few people will lash out in  violence. Millions of others will simply fade away, from suicide or  overdose or diabetes. This is the real crisis, the one that produced  those horrifying scenes on TV over the weekend. Washington is happy to  pretend it isn't happening. But it is. You can't ignore it forever.


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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #110 on: August 17, 2019, 02:08:41 PM »
ah but there is evidence :

the msm tells us there is an explosion of white racism , supremacy, and mass killings

so it MUST BE SO.

we are told this 24 /7/365

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #111 on: August 17, 2019, 05:42:45 PM »
ah but there is evidence :

the msm tells us there is an explosion of white racism , supremacy, and mass killings

so it MUST BE SO.

we are told this 24 /7/365

As they celebrate the legal ability to execute third trimester babies and sell their organs.

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mass killings, etc. perspective
« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2019, 07:03:17 AM »
Quoting some interesting observations from John Hinderaker:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/some-comments-on-guns.php
"...the last couple of mass shooters likely are copycats. More than anything else, giving less press coverage to mass shootings, and especially refusing to publish “manifestoes,” would reduce the number of these events. One might say that mass shootings are a price we pay for freedom of the presss.

Moreover, somewhere around 7,500 people die every day in the US, with about 100 per day dying in car accidents and 46 per day murdered, mostly in “blue” cities. Mass shootings are a vanishingly small cause of death. Whether deaths, violent or otherwise, make the news is a matter of editorial judgment. For whatever reason, our editors and reporters have chosen to magnify the significance of mass shooters.

Second, the U.S. homicide rate has been cut in half since the Clinton administration, coinciding with a boom in handgun ownership and an unprecedented issuance of carry permits. These latest mass shootings don’t change that.

There was an uptick in homicides during the last two years of the Obama administration, apparently because of the Black Lives Matter movement and the Obama administration’s embrace of that movement. But, as I wrote here, the downward homicide trend has resumed under President Trump. We are talking about thousands of lives being saved because of Trump’s pro-law enforcement position. I calculated that the spike under Obama represented more than 5,000 homicides. Somehow our press has little interest in these numbers.



Third, contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is not home to an unusual number of mass shootings. Rather, we are a very large country. On a per capita basis, as of a few months ago the U.S. ranked 56th in the world in mass shootings (as defined by the FBI) and 61st in per capita deaths in mass shootings. Gun laws have nothing to do with these numbers. In the US, some of the states with the highest rates of gun ownership, like Idaho, also have the lowest homicide rates. Cabot Phillips makes the point well on Twitter:

"We own half the world's private guns but account for less than half of one percent of the world's murders."

Fourth, liberals are, as usual, advocating policies that will do no good. Mostly, they want to ban certain categories of semiautomatic rifles, based on random, largely-aesthetic criteria that supposedly make them “assault weapons.” Such a ban was tried during the 1990s. It did no good and was abandoned. Rifles–not just AR15s, but all rifles–are among the least popular of murder weapons. Four times as many Americans are murdered with knives as with all rifles combined (not just “assault weapons”). More Americans are murdered with both blunt objects and bare hands than with rifles. Nor are “assault weapons” uniquely valuable to would-be mass shooters. Semiautomatic pistols and other semiautomatic rifles (like my Marlin 60, a rifle that, here in the Midwest, fathers often give to their sons as a 16th birthday present) can fire just as fast and are just as deadly. My guess is that today’s Supreme Court would reject an “assault weapons” ban as an irrational infringement of a fundamental constitutional right."
(More at the link above.)

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Black crime
« Reply #113 on: September 04, 2019, 07:31:23 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2019/09/04/criminologists-mislead-us-n2552448

suddenly statistics and science don't count.

professors who 'profess" political agendas NOT science .





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mass killings, etc. Shooters grew up fatherless?
« Reply #115 on: November 19, 2019, 09:35:49 AM »
A gun control activist looking at mass shooting reminds me of a hammer that sees every problem as a nail.  One climate observer wondered what we are missing in climate when we study only CO2.  That made me think, I wonder what we are missing studying mass shooters when all we discuss is gun control.

Two things I see:

First, these are copycat crimes.  Our obsession of media attention on these shootings is most certainly making it worse.  The shooters are basically committing suicide in the most public, largest carnage possible sort of way making themselves famous and important on their way out.  How exactly to address that, I don't know.  We just don't need more fanfare for this than all the other heinous or tragic deaths we want to know about.

Secondly, I just read that 26 of the 27 worst mass murders were committed by a shooter who grew up without his biological father.  Interesting.

Looking for the link I instead quote the conclusion of Snopes in saying this claim is "False" which is often their name for mostly true:

In short, the claim that “26 out of the 27 deadliest mass shooters came from fatherless homes” is based on a misreading of outdated statistics. Furthermore, this claim was based on a list of the “worst mass shooting” incidents (what appears to be eight or more deaths), and so did not include all of the mass shootings in the U.S. As this list only represented a small portion of the total number of mass shootings as of the time it was compiled, it simply does not provide enough data to come to any conclusions about how a mass shooter is impacted by a fatherless home.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooters-fatherless-us/   "False"

Partly true or perhaps true and worthy of further study might be better characterizations for an honest fact check conclusion.  No one is saying 'fatherless' is sole cause or that we should pre-arrest all who grew up that way.  OTOH, everyone interested in common elements of the background failings of these suicidal, homicidal maniacs should be interested in every pertinent factor we can learn.